Bookwild - Getting to Know Us! Part Two

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

Welcome to Killing the Tea with Gare and Kate!  We are two bookstagrammers who met on Instagram (obviously) and found out we have been reading the same books for years.  After blowing each other's DMs up for months, we realized we needed to do what every millennial duo does and start a podcast.  If you love thrillers, mysteries, crime fiction, and horror books, TV shows and movies, you are going to LOVE Killing the Tea with us.In the second part of our first episode, we get to know each other and realize just how many of the same books, show and movies we love.You can also watch this episode on YouTube.Follow us on Instagram!Garehttps://www.instagram.com/gareindeedreads/Katehttps://www.instagram.com/thegirlwiththebookonthecouch/GoosebumpsThe Fear Street BooksGone GirlThe Kind Worth KillingThe Girl With a Clock for a HeartHow to Survive Your MurderDaisy DarkerThis is How I LiedHis & HersBlood SugarWhere the Truth LiesThey Come at KnightThe Last HousewifeIn My Dreams I Hold a KnifeKarin SlaughterThe SnowmanStalkerThe Chestnut ManThese Toxic Things Movies We Talked About This WeekI Know What You Did Last SummerScreamHalloweenWatcherIt FollowsBodies Bodies Bodies Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

Hey guys, welcome to the Killing the Tea podcast. This is Gare and Kate. And we are going to be discussing all things, chills, thrills and kills. Kate and I are going to be talking about our favorite books, TV shows and movies that are in the thriller or crime fiction genre, as well as some reading habits and other items related to how we met on Bookstagram that will fit in with this podcast. So, Thank you so much for joining us. And we hope that you have fun and get totally terrified. I'm dabbling now with rom-coms. I really starting to enjoy them.

Yeah. I mean, it's like any other genre. There are some that don't work for me necessarily or don't, you know, keep me invested, but they're still good and they are entertaining. And it's something light too. Sometimes if you read a lot of thrillers, they can get really dark. And unfortunately sometimes, that's what I like shift toward. Like that's what I want to.

I like to read the dark things that are psychological. And I want to get like behind the mind of the people who are related to this story, whether it's like a victim or somebody solving it or whatever the case may be. So like I love Karen Slaughter. Yeah. Yeah. And she does not hold back. her. We talk about her all the time. Like every time we talk, I think we find a way to talk about Ashley and

Karen Slaughter. Ashley and Karen. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I mean, I love her books, but I think the thing is, is that she, like, I read some of her standalones and then I read her Grant County series and then I read the Lent series. Yeah. And there's a lot of things that are very, very dark in her books. So it was like one after another after another that I was just reading like because she doesn't hold back and I respect that about her. And that's what I enjoy about her because I don't want to read something that kind of covers or makes light of some of the horrible things that people do in real life. Right. Right. No, like I don't want to read a book about the popular blonde girl who goes missing and is like, oh, like he just dropped me off at a gas station because he felt bad that he kidnapped me.

Because it's not realistic. Like, bad things happen to good people all the time. And the more you read things like Karen Slaughter, the more aware you are of your surroundings and the more protective you are of yourself because you know that this is the, these are the real true ugly things that people do to one another, whether it's somebody you know or it's a stranger. So read Karen Slaughter and protect yourself. And keep your light on while you're reading it. Lock your doors. You ever get completely scared while reading? Like if you're like home alone at night, are you ever like, yeah, I'm going to have to pick this back up tomorrow morning.

It doesn't happen a lot for me, but it has happened for me. I know it's happened before. I just don't know. I don't know what book it was. Yeah. I would say it was turn of the key from Ruth Ware was the last one where I was like, okay, every sound I hear downstairs is freaking me out now. I could see that. I can see that.

You know what the thing is, though? I feel like a lot of thrillers focus on violence and women being put in either violent situations or. or being, you know, escaping a violent situation or whatever. Like, because I read a lot of female authors, there's, that's always something that's very consistent in what I read. So that might be why I haven't been necessarily afraid yet. Oh, that's a good point. If they write a thriller about like a 35-year-old gay man who was like running from a serial

killer, then yes, I will be petrified. but right now I haven't. Someone needs to write it now. So yeah, someone needs to write it and scare me. Yeah. But there are like a few things in books that that will scare me if I'm reading it at a specific time. Yeah.

Like the Snowman by Joe Nesbo has like, it's really, really good. It's part of a series, but you can definitely read it as like a standalone. But it has that kind of. of scene of seeing somebody's footprints in the snow walk up to your house and not walking back

or just knowing that there was somebody like peeping in your windows. Like that book, Stalker by Lars Kepler, like that has some really creepy moments in it. I feel like probably Nordic noir would be what scares me the most

because they're very good at like setting it in an atmosphere that like anything over like Sweden or anything like that feels like upstate New York in the winter. Okay. That's a good point. But yeah, I mean, stalkers are really scary one. The chestnut man is pretty scary. Yeah. I get the the Ruth Ware one I was talking about was definitely Gothic noir. And like a, you're stuck in the middle of nowhere on a huge estate, basically, that type of thrill. It doesn't get to me that. I can't think of anything else has gotten to me since, because that was years ago.

So I guess it really doesn't happen to me that much anymore. I do have a really funny story about one time that I actually was scared reading a book. And this is probably. probably not like an exclusive because I'm sure like I probably told anybody who would listen this story. But there is a book that I was reading by Rachel Howsell Hall. Yes. And absolutely love her. And I think this was the first I read by her. It was called these toxic things. Yes. And it's with a stalker. And I was reading it late at night. in my living room in the dark, minding my own business.

And I live out in the middle of nowhere in upstate New York. And I heard like a rattling. And there was a man. Like I stood up because I was like, what is that rattling? There was a man standing outside of my door late at night in the middle of nowhere. And he was like yanking on my door handle. Oh my God. That would be terrifying.

It was terrifying. But I was also reading the part where like the woman. in the book realized that she was being stalked and like somebody had been in or possibly had been in her apartment. And so I was like, this is not happening. And there was just a guy tugging on my door handle. I think he was trying to, like, he was like motioning me to like open the door. And I was like, I watch like, scream is my comfort movie. I've watched every episode of Law & Order SVU. I've read every thriller out there. Like, absolutely not. Like, you can go back to wherever it is you came from, get your paws off your door handle and like, leave me alone.

But that was probably the one time that a book scared me, but it had a little help from some like weird. That's true. There was some external circumstances. I think you just go away. Did you have to tell them to go away? I was like, get out of here. Like this is not happening today.

I am not letting a stranger in my house. I don't know. And he just kept like motioning like phone. but he was like really, really, really intoxicated. And I was like, I just don't think that I'm going to take that chance. And because I can open the door. You could be drunk enough to be mad at me for something or think that I'm somebody else and punch me in the face. Right.

Or it could be an act and you could be completely dead sober and throw me in the trunk of your car and I will never be seen again. Yeah. Also, if you're an introvert, anyone at your door is terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody. If something knocks on my door, I'm like, nobody's supposed to be here. Unexpected. Unless, unless it is the mailman delivering me books. Yes. That's always a good thing. They don't knock on my door, though, thankfully. Sometimes mine, I don't know. I guess the mail carriers here are friendly. They will knock on my door.

If they can't fit things in my mailbox, they'll knock on my door to let me know that there's some like, junk out there. Yeah. Because I'm sure like at this point that I've been like working with publishers for five years now. I'm sure at this point they're like, I'm sick of delivering books to you every single day. Right. Yeah. We're in like a neighborhood of too many people. Um, so I bet our delivery people are like, here you go, here you go, here you go. They're like, I don't need to do the extra stuff of knocking, which is fine. We have a ring doorbell out there because I'm, paranoid anyway so we see when it shows up yeah which also comes from a story i'll maybe tell you off air and maybe i'll tell it on air sometime but yeah maybe we'll each share one story

per episode that is just not related to like books or thrillers yeah um i want to get a i want to get a ring light but like i'm also like nervous did you watch that do you watch american horror stories. I haven't in a while, but I think I know what you're talking about. There wasn't. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.

It's with the ring light. Mm-hmm. That's what they're called right. Yeah. Yeah. Is it called a windlight? You're thinking of the beauty ring light that I have about me right now. You're mixing your rings.

Well, yeah. Well, yeah, the doorbell. I know some people get scared that like the footage could get hacked but I'm like I just want to be able to see outside my house and like technically if it got I'm not afraid of that I'm afraid of finding out that there has been somebody wandering around my house probably for years and I wasn't aware of it until I got that little camera on my doorbell. That is scarier seeing something that yeah like could you well I'm not going to say it because I don't want you to like text me up. I'm going to wake up in the morning and be like, I hate you. I'm going to be up. I won't say it this way, but I guess, yeah, I think that my, my fear of that would be going to bed and sleeping like a little angel baby and then waking up in the morning and

realizing that there was somebody wandering around my house last night. Yeah. Not that this would happen. I don't do anything excited enough to have a stalker or to have something you want to kill me. Yeah. But like when I don't, yeah. Yeah. No.

Yeah. I don't think I've made anyone angry enough. No. Like I, like my parents will say that to me. My friends will say it like, how can you watch scream over and over again? How can you watch scary movies and they don't scare you? And I'm listening like I have done nothing in my life that would make somebody really want to kill me because I'm not that exciting as a person. I just get home.

I go like I read my books. I work from home. Like you can catch me like you can catch me at like home goods or Target getting coffee or like meeting my friends once a week for dinner on Thursday nights. And like no one's going to kill me over that. That's a really good point. And it's actually when I was like younger, I used to be more scared of stuff like Halloween because that there was no reasoning behind it. So that would scare me sometimes because I'd be like, oh, I could have not pissed anyone off. And there are people out there that just kill people.

But it doesn't scare me as much anymore. But that used to be my problematic logic where I was like, shit, you don't have to do anything. Now I've ruined it for you. Well, no, because they have those like rules, you know, to like how to survive a scary movie. Right. And yeah. I mean, I don't really drink. Yeah.

I mean either. And I'm not like I'm I'm not like a teenager that's like hooking up with people and like the middle of the woods somewhere. Yeah, a really, really hot teenager. A really hot teenager like with all your hot friends making out against a tree somewhere. I'm not like inviting like my boyfriend into my house while I'm like supposed to be babysitting. So I mean that logic, but also like. It's a good point. The, those don't, like, frighten me as much because there's always that twist in, like, a Friday the 13th movie or, like, a Halloween one where, like, this is actually the reason. Like, it's not that, you know, it's not that random, I guess they kind of.

That's a good point. It's not totally random. I don't know, but one day we need merch that says not interesting enough to kill, basically, or stock. Not exciting enough to murder. Yeah, exciting. You might be interesting to people, but if this were like a reality show, they would be like, we all we've done is tape at his house and like one restaurant on Thursday nights. I would be so terrible.

Like the people who do reality TV, I'm like, so you leave the house multiple times a week and you go be with like huge amounts of people and you're willing to have it on camera. Not for me. I love to watch it. Although I haven't been watching as much lately because I'm trying to read more. And your calendar would tell me not to watch reality TV. I think reality TV actually has a way of healing anxiety. And that's like the weirdest thing in the world.

Yes. But yeah, I think I could have probably been decent on reality TV in my early 20s when I was an extrovert. But like as I get older, I become more of an introvert. So like I could have, you know, went out every single night and had drama and fights and not cared the next day. But like now I'm 35 years old. One night out, even if I like don't drink or even if there's like no drama. I'm just so like, wow, I had a really good time. But now I'm like ready to like decompress and like hang out myself for a couple of days.

Yes. Also like if there is any drama, it like really affects me more now than it used to. And it makes me like anxious. Yeah. So that's probably like I would not be good on reality TV because now I'm the kind of person if an argument starts like I'm really good at walking away. That's what I was going to say. My thing is like I don't do it anymore. So like I would just be like well that's what you think and then they'd be like that's not funny

Unless it's something like really bad that I like have to stick up for myself for I just don't see the point arguing I don't blame other people for arguing because if somebody's going to bring up something that's like you're very passionate about or that they're going to say something negative about you and you have to stick up for yourself you go right ahead. But like I am just like like are. arguments give me anxiety now and I'm not like I'm not going to be that good person on reality TV. I might say like funny things every now and then. Yeah. I could just be the one that like everybody's fighting and throwing like wine glasses at each other and I'm like, it's not a joke. Basically on Beverly Hills

right now like they all fight and she's they're just like always cutting to her and she's like rolling her eyes and like are we really doing this here right now? But she's amazing. So I. I actually think that Garcel is, she's definitely my favorite of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, but she's way up there on my list of real housewives of all time. She's kind of too good for the show is what we're saying, that she can actually remove herself, but it makes her perfect because everyone there is so ridiculous other than her lately. Sutton is like, okay, but she also just has her moments where I'm like,

I don't know where that came from. I feel like Sutton has her moments. And I don't know if it's editing, but Sutton has her moments of she's doing a really good job, articulating how she feels when she's one on one with like Kyle or someone. But when she's in the heat of the moment and the argument, she just kind of like is quiet or does these like weird facial expressions.

Weird. Yeah. And I'm just like say it. Then just say it like say how you feel. You know what I mean? Like I know, not afraid of people. So just doesn't seem like it. I think the thing that's getting a little old, though,

when it comes to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, as the bullying by Lisa Rina and Erica Girardi, is getting so out of hand because I have never seen two people who think that they can just treat anyone how they want to. But if somebody so much as gives them a side eye, or does anything that they don't agree with,

they act like they ran them over with a car. Yeah, I agree. Rina's out of control. She's been out of control. And then Erica's all kinds of messy. It says something about you when you have people that have gone on the show that have started off their first season of the Real House Lives saying you're typical,

I've known Lisa Rina for 20 years and she's always been great to me. And then the camera start rolling, you see a different side of her and that friendship is over. Yeah. It did. So somebody who wants to throw any friendship, let alone a 20-year friendship under the bus to continue to sign their contract on a reality television show. Like, that just shows who you are. Yeah. She's crazy.

Now, you have to have your villains, but she is such a villain. She was a good villain for like a little while. But now it's just, she got to a point where it's like, it's overdone. It's just really mean. It's really, really mean. And she, like, every year I find her more and more unlikable because of how mean she is. And, like, the bullying that she does is just completely ridiculous. And there's also, like, there's the Fox Force Five.

And I'm sick of that. Yeah. Yeah. We need to shake things up a little bit. because no matter what you feel, if they don't agree with it, like, it's just going to be edited in a way that makes the viewers think that someone's boring or somebody like, you know, it's kind of the outsider when it's just them sticking up for once. Yeah, that's what Garcell actually said that.

I'm kind of caught up because I was doing some editing that didn't require sound. And so I just like had episodes like playing in the background all day. but at one point Rina or one of the like OGs even if they're not literal OGs was like I'm just protecting her because we protect each other and Garcel's like we know you guys talk about it any chance you can get so she actually kind of called it out

and it was pretty amazing. Yeah I love Garcel. I love Garcel. I know she's amazing. I'm like 50-50 on right now because I feel like she does protect like Renna and Erica. I know. But there are some points where she is a little bit more reasonable with like the other women.

So I really do like Garcel. I like Kyle right now. She's usually my favorite, but it's really hard to top Garcel for me. Yeah. I like Sutton because she is a lot. Sutton's very weird. And that's what I want. I know.

She's quirky. She's weird, but she's not afraid to stick up for herself. And, I really like her. Yeah. And I cannot stand Rina and I can't stand Erica. Yeah. Doree, I think she means well.

Like, I think she's probably like the nicest person. Yeah. But she's not like bringing much to it. And I love Crystal. I think Crystal's probably one of the nicest people in the entire world. But I just don't think she's- Probably. I don't think she's meant.

for reality TV. I don't think she is all that poor girl. I love her. I think she's drop dead beautiful. She's gorgeous. She's stunning. But what they need on TV is the person who, if somebody's dealing with a serious issue, like an eating disorder and you're all flapping your gums about it behind her back,

you need the person that's going to kick down the door and be like, let's talk about you and your orphan's widows. And you're being sued and pretending to not know anything. and let's talk about Lisa Rina, who unfortunately, as sad as it is, did lose her mother. But like, you can't use that as an excuse for your behavior because you've been an asshole for the last 10 years. Yeah, it was happening before. Yeah. If anything, like.

I was like Vicky did that too. I don't O.C. Oh, Vicki. Yeah. Well, Vicki, I like Vicki more than I like. I do too. Because Rick is a lot better than Rina. I think Vicky.

just like delusional and like Lisa Rina's just like calculating. Yeah. Yeah. And Kyle, Kyle definitely plays both sides. So I just think if I, if I was on the cast, I wouldn't trust her very much, but she doesn't really piss me off to watch. No, she doesn't really piss me off. She just sometimes it's like annoying that she's like the voice of reason. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes she instigates things. but I know. She knows how to stir stir the pot and pass it to someone else.

Those women on the real housewives they can be scary. They can. Which is why Bravo fits in very well with the Killips and the Key podcast because nothing is more terrifying than the women of Beverly Hills. Yeah, they are the most terrifying.

Atlanta, they go out of each other pretty hard too, but I don't know. I love the shadiness in Atlanta. Yeah, it's fun. It's funny because they can actually like handle themselves. Yeah. They like they could get into an argument and respectful of one another. The next time they see each other. And you just don't get that from Lisa Runa and Erica. No. Because they will hold a grudge for as long as they will continue to be on TV for. Yeah. Yeah. They will. The best is Potomac. I feel like the best is Potomac. And Tomic and Salt. like or Salt Lake City.

Yeah. Yeah, because and I feel like what helps is keeping like starting off with a strong cast and keeping it for Bravo because those dynamics like do change a lot when you have a lot of drama and a friendship group. But if you're like switching people out and like trying to up the ante for ratings the next year, it just doesn't work. Like if you keep your central cast for as long as you can, those dynamics will shift and things will happen in like a friend group that you will only get if like they're actually organic relationships. And I think that's where New Jersey is like that too a little bit. It's sad because

it's family, but they have that existing like network. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I mean, New Jersey is just like always like crazy for me because I'll be like shocked one moment and then laughing the next. So I feel like New Jersey is always entertaining. It is. I just don't think the show, I think the thing about New Jersey is that I don't think it'll ever work without Teresa. I don't think so either. You know, because I even love, I have a love, hate relationship with her. There are times where I'm like, guys, just see her perspective and other times where I'm like, you are so terrible to people. Yeah. And I know. It's like, I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship. Yes. Pember sometimes. Because

there are some moments where I'm like, will you guys just be like on her side for once and realize where she's from? But then sometimes I find myself being like, she wouldn't react this way if you didn't say that. Like you know what her temper is like. So why would you do that? Yes. Yeah. I've cried watching Teresa. And I've been like, how did I ever cry when I'm watching Teresa? Yeah. Yeah. His her family stuff is just so sad. Her daughter's like, I feel like it was her daughter. that would make me cry more than anything. But yeah, when she reunited with her daughters, I definitely. Oh my gosh.

Like so intense. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I do like, yeah, I do like the real housewives. Mm-hmm. Yeah. They're always really like fun to kind of.

It is like when I can tell I'm burnt out. And so then like I don't even want to read, that is what I put on where I'm like, oh, I can just sit here and basically relax for the most part and just like, laugh at other people's drama. Yeah, and I feel like the thing is too is that it's either funny or it's so over the top that, I mean, at this point, it's been going on for so long that you know production has some sort of hand in the drama that's happening. Right.

So it is almost like, you know, right now they have that podcast for Laguna Beach where and Stephen are like spilling all the secrets about the show. And I feel like, I bet you it's going to be about maybe within 10 years, we'll probably have one similar to the housewives. Yeah. In the sense of they're going to start spilling some tea about all of the stuff that Bravo production teams have done to get the drama going or to keep it going or where they've kind of like stuck their hand in where they shouldn't have. Yeah. So either that or we're going to eventually reach. the point that all of the children that you've watched growing up on Bravo for the past like

10 or 15 years are going to be housewives themselves or they're going to do podcast because I've actually Ashley Mulello who's a kid from New Jersey I've heard her on a couple podcasts and it is wild like what she even grew up around is that Jacqueline's daughter yes okay yeah yeah I heard she's very vocal about she is we'll just be like this is what they lied about this is what they cleverly edited like it's crazy yeah i think that that would be very interesting to hear from somebody who was like a full-time housewife too like the the people that i want to hear the most from in an honest light and not holding back with bravo would be like Bethany Frankel.

Yes. Because I feel like she still has such a good relationship with Andy that she doesn't want to rock the boat. Yeah. But once she got started, she would definitely like spill her guts. I want more information from Nini. Yes.

Because I love her. She's a whole vibe. I also feel like I would love to get tea from Carol. Rodswell. Yes. I heard her on a podcast once too. Yeah. She's very interesting. She kind of slurts with like the edges of like exposing some things about Bravo, but like not fully doing it. Yep. Um, and I'm probably not on the same boat as a lot of people when it comes to this person, but I really like Candace from Potomac. She was wild. I love her. because she is entertaining, but she also really does stick up for herself.

And I feel like she's almost like a little bit like a Teresa. Like I agree. Like sometimes I don't agree with what she does or what she says. But I'm like, there's a season that I felt that way. And then I liked her again. But then I'm like, the reason she kind of comes at you so hard with that stuff is because you started it with her first. Yeah.

And the same like same way. that I feel about like Teresa. Like you started it with her and she may have taken it over the top and I didn't agree with her words or actions. But Candice like will just like show up and do what she's got to do. But like if you come for her in the wrong way, then it's game over. Yeah. But she's very like you start it and she finishes it.

Yes. Yeah. And like I will go as like low as I have to to put you back. Yeah. So yeah. She's fun. I do like her a lot. But I want to hear more from her once she's not working for Bravo anymore or with Bravo, I should say.

Yeah, I agree. I would love to hear more from her. Well, maybe we'll interview them one day. Yeah. Maybe years from now, we'll be interviewing them. We'll be like, remember when we talked about that? I would love to do that. I would love to do that.

I think the thing that would, like, break my heart, though, is like if I was just like, Nini, I've loved you since the day. you came on my TV and then I had a bad experience with her and then it just like broke my heart. Dude, you have to be so careful about that. Like sometimes you do not want to meet your heroes. No, no, sometimes you don't. And I mean, that's like the thing too that's like that really made me excited about being part of Bookstagram was having that connection with some of the authors that I really loved and I've like

admired their work and then realizing that they were as like genuine as I thought they were going to be. Yeah. That's the scary part. Yeah. And it just like is like a bummer because I know you realize like, oh, I've spent so much of my time or money like promoting your work or supporting it. Right. Whatever I can to like spread the word on it. And then just having somebody be a little like full of themselves to the point that like I don't think that I'll read like there have been a few people that I'm like, I don't think I'll read their stuff anymore. even if I got a copy. I feel like it would be, it would be hard if there was really something you like didn't like about them.

Yeah. Yeah. And so it is like that's why like I just don't think as much as I love like entertainment in all forms like, you know, in media of like books and movies and TV shows and music and all of that stuff. As much as I love it. I don't think I could ever work in that forum because of the fact that that would probably. You don't want to ruin it, yeah. No, I don't want to ruin my little, like, fantasy world of, like, every celebrity that I love is a perfect person. Right, right.

I'm with you on that. Yeah. So that would just kind of break my heart. I will never say. Yeah. I will never say who the authors are if I have an experience like that. I will say, like, if I had an interaction like that, but I will never say, like, who the author is. Yeah.

It's not worth it. Well, I kind of feel like for how I view Bookstagram, like I don't post negative reviews because I want this to almost be like a digital scrapbook of things that I've really enjoyed reading and the books that have kind of made me lucky enough to have the opportunity to have relationships with authors and publishers. and other, you know, people who read. And so I want that to be like good memories, I guess. Yes. Yes. But that's how I feel about this podcast, too, is I feel like this is something where, you know, you and I have a friendship of these mutual things that we enjoy and we have like a good

rapport with each other. But like, yeah. As this podcast grows and continues, like our friendship is going to grow and continue. Yeah. You know, naturally. so that's why like yeah i agree like i'll never like say anything like i'm not going to ever like shit talk a book or an author or anything like that um because like this is going to be about like things that we enjoy that like we recommend so like i totally agree like you know that we

won't be like just shit talking no poorly on here i'm like oh it's not fun unless you're Yes, yes, unless you live Serena, then you love it. Unless you're doing bad things on national television, then it's been game. It's being so shady. But yeah, yeah. In the bad way. As long as, you know, as long as you're not an author signing a contract with Bravo, then you're safe.

But we won't be like, we won't be like trashing any books or authors. or anything like that. But, yeah. I don't want to spend time on stuff I don't like anyway. Like, I just want to move on. No. Sometimes it, like, feels good to, like, vent, but, like, you know, get things off your chest with, like, your friends and things like that.

But, right. Because the thing is, is, you know, you and I might disagree on, like, what we, like, love and hate. But, like, when we find things like this that we love so passionately, then, like, the conversation can go on and on. on and on. So yeah, that's why we, even though we're going to be discussing like thrills, chills and kills, we're going to keep it positive. It's going to be so positive. Only good, thrills, chills, and kills. Only the best things about murder and books and

movies. Yes. Yeah. So that's pretty much, that's going to be it. Movies, books, TV shows. Mm-hmm. I don't know what else would pop up. Bravo rants, but yeah, yeah, it'll be like all of the things that we're interested in. And I think that way too, like some people might enjoy hearing what like books and movies and TV shows and stuff we recommend. So, you know, now that we had like kind of our introduction, then we'll probably like plan more for like what we discuss going forward. But I As long as everybody who's listening has liked this episode so far, then we'll have some great things for you down there. They're going to like it.

Yeah. Yeah. And if you don't like it, then you don't have taste. Yeah. You just move on. Go listen to something bad. Go call Lisa Rina. Yeah.

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