Bookwild - How Our Reading Habits Have Changed Over The Year: Our First Podcast Anniversary!

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

Happy first podcast anniversary to all of you, our listeners!!  This week, we dive into how our reading habits and interests have changed over the last year.Follow us on Instagram:Gare @gareindeedreadsKate @thegirlwiththecookonthecouchBooks We Talked AboutTaylor Jenkins ReidMidnight Is the Darkest HourThe TrapBright Young WomenThe New One Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

And we are going to be discussing all things, chills, thrills, and kills. Kate and I are going to be talking about our favorite books, TV shows, and movies that are in the thriller or crime fiction genre, as well as some reading habits and other items related to how we met on Bookstagram that will fit in with this podcast. So thank you so much for joining us. And we hope that you have fun and get totally terrified. well hello there hey how was your day my day was good how was yours that was pretty good it's about to get even better because i'm about to go see the airs tour movie oh you're going tonight what time is that seven oh my god i know i'm so excited fucking show on the road so the next week's episode is going to be kate's exclusive

very lengthy review of the era's tour movie. Yeah. I'm going to convert you all. Yeah. I love that. Well, that's very exciting. Yeah.

I guess I have an icebreaker then, which I guess there is probably a Taylor Swift that you could come up with, but my favorite way to unwind at the end of like a long day like before I go to bed

is to like scroll on TikTok for like an hour. Oh yeah. And it's like random shit. Like my for you page or FYP or whatever it is called is like all over the place. But like still that hour in the day is what I need before I fall into a slumber. Right. But you are a big TikTok fan as well. Oh, yeah.

Have there been any like songs that are. were trending or anything that's been trending on TikTok that you kind of like fell in love with that you probably wouldn't have found without TikTok. Oh yeah. Well, probably I kind of like Olivia Rodriguez stuff. Mm-hmm. Enough. Like she is like just young enough that it's like you kind of feel like an old person trying to like be like, yeah, I'm as cool as someone. one who's 20. But definitely TikTok because like all the bad idea, right? TikToks are so funny when people are like using that song for like stuff they know they shouldn't do when it's like, I just cried about budgeting and now I'm ordering DoorDash. So I saw those. And then it made

that song get stuck in my head. So now Tyler is even an Olivia Rodriguez fan. And he even plays like vampire and bad idea right and get him back like just on his own. own. It's just in his own playlist now. So Olivia Rodriguez Infiltrated us via TikTok. Like, officially my favorite couple. Thanks. The Rodriguez.

You write. I know her name. The last name's cooler than mine. You have a very cool last. Huh? It's not the coolest last name. I mean, I'm not mad about it. You have a cool last name. Yeah. Tyler sometimes goes by

Tyler Jordan. Literally. Well, There are a couple different reasons. Sometimes it's easier for people to remember. But I'm always like, I would prefer having our name, last name, be Jordan. And he kind of would too. So maybe we will be one day. Or it'll be my pin name. I'll be Kate Jordan.

I know. I feel like you have all of these, like, your podcast personality is like Kate the Great. Yeah. And then like your day job is like techie becky. You're right. And then like when you write a book, it's going to be Kate Jordan. Probably. I think you're right.

I got to keep them all compartmental. Oh, my God. You are like such an enigma. I'm obsessed. Oh, thank you. What did you find on TikTok? Did you get obsessed with anything? So oddly enough, the reason I came up with this is because like I'm obviously very excited

to be here with you tonight, as I always am. But one of the downfalls of us recording is there. is a song that I found on TikTok that I have been obsessed with. So when you said like Olivia Rodrigo and it was music, I was like, oh, my God, I love this. Yeah. Mine is, there's like a mashup that someone did of Billy Basanova by Billy Ilish and West Coast by Lana Del Rey. And it is like, like, every time I would like scroll on TikTok and we're like comment,

I'd be like, oh my God, I just like love this so much. Because I've always been a huge fan of West Coast by Lana. And I was like, oh, my God, I love this. And then, like, I finally found it on, like, Apple Music. And I've just been, like, pretending, like, my life is a fucking movie when I do it. Like, when the chorus comes in, I just want to be like, oh, my God. When the chorus comes in, yeah, I want to be, like, speeding away from, like, a crime scene or, like, a jilted lover with, like, the leaves flying. from behind my car.

Yes. You know, like, like I go out at night, but. Right. Same. Yeah, I mean,

the crazy thing I'm doing is going to a movie theater in two hours. Oh, my God. I'm so excited for you. I'm excited. I think it'll be a lot of fun. Yeah,

I will. Oh, my God. You're going to have a fucking blast. Are you going to get popcorn? I know. Yes, because I'm actually probably going to get

their commemorative popcorn buckets that are like, that say heirs tour and cups. And it's like, I'm definitely a Taylor Swift fan. I definitely have way more knowledge than your like average person. Thanks to TikTok. But like I'm not someone who really is going to like wear someone's face as on a shirt.

So I haven't been interested in any of that merch. Like it's just, it's just not there for me. But I was like, I mean, a cute little pop popcorn bucket that could go on one of my shelves would be cute. So I say totally. Yes.

Mm-hmm. and they're 1989. That's the price for the combo of the bucket in the cup. Yeah. Yeah, when I've done the last two scream movies that I went to in the theater, they had the popcorn buckets in the cups and I got them as well. Yeah. I'm excited.

But I mean, it's kind of like fun and exciting. Like there's not a lot of concerts that are shown in a movie theater. You know, I can't think of any. I've seen them on like streaming services. Yes. But this is apparently just. Bieber's was the last one to make this much money and she beat that record. Nobody was buying a Bieber bucket, okay?

I don't think so. This was like swoopy hair era, Justin. So, baby Justin. That's so cool, though. Oh, my God, I'm so excited for you. This is an exciting week. It is a very exciting week. Because you brought something to my attention.

I did. Because a podcast actually reminded it. We were watching a podcast. podcast, Tyler and I were that was talking about how most podcasts, like everyone has a podcast, but most podcasts don't make it past 20 episodes. And I was like, we have. And then I was like, wait a second. And I knew, I knew that it was about this time that we started last year. Right. And then I looked and October 4th or 6th, now I can't remember which one, was our podcast anniversary. Oh, I know. We kind of missed it. But we caught. I

I caught it a couple days later, so I'm fine with that. If we would have recorded it last week on our episode, like, I know. It would have been like, you know, it would have been like, oh, it's going to be a year and like tomorrow or something. So I think that's like kind of cool that we had like a full year. You know what I mean? Yes. Yes. So that is amazing. And I will say that the past year having you as my partner in crime.

And as my friend and everything with the podcast and outside of the podcast has been such a whirlwind and such a blur. And I am like super grateful for your friendship. You've been like, you're one of my closest friends now. And I like tell you everything. And I don't like going long period of time without us talking. So I mean, the past year has just been such a blessing. So fun. Yeah.

And blessing. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. It's been very fun. I didn't have many people that I got to talk to about books until recently. So like talking to you more and then just like having a place to talk about books has been so fun too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm and food. Clearly books and food. Oh my God. I know. I'm so jealous of your movie theater popcorn. I'll be sending you pictures. I'm like, don't you wish you were here? Send me pictures. You should have flown in and gone. to it. I know. You're buttered like fingertips at the end of the movie.

Yes. Maybe I'll fly to you when the Beyonce one comes. Yeah. Did you see? So her movie premiere was last night and Beyonce went and they were doing, they had some like cool power female energy going on.

I saw that. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Because I hate that the fandoms try to pit themselves against each other and I don't think either of them like are like going after. each other in real life. They're like, guys, come on. Yeah. Well, the thing is, is like, I have a friend or had a friend who was a huge Swifty and would be like constantly comparing them. And like, would probably just do it to be like an instigator. But like, I would just always kind of be like, I just think not just this person, but like any Swifty or any like Beehive member who does

that. It's just so weird because it's. It's like literally comparing apples and oranges. Like they're completely different artists. Like they each have their strengths and they kind of, you know, their strengths outshine one another. Like Taylor Swift is not doing the choreography that Beyonce does. But, you know, but Beyonce is also not like playing a guitar and writing songs like Taylor can, you know. So I just think that's like so ridiculous. So the fact that they were like together like snuggled up in a movie theater, I was like, fuck yeah, girls.

I loved that. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, now that we're the Beyonce and Taylor Swift's of podcasting. Yes. Do you feel like, how do I say this? Do you feel like things have changed for you as a reader in the last year? Because I've really enjoyed watching the changes and, like, our reading behavior and our reading taste.

within the last year. So like, what do you think has been like something that's changed for the better? Yeah. Because of the podcast. Yeah. So, so I was researching our topic. And it was like blowing my mind. Like there were books that I was like, well, I didn't read that one this year.

So like the ones that like changed my taste so much, I was like, there are so many. of them and actually all of them have happened in the last year. So the really obvious first one, basically my answer for this one is multiple books because I just couldn't help myself. But I think I partially read Seven Lives of Evelyn Hears, Seven Lives, the Seven Husbands. She's not a cat with seven lives. Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo was definitely like the first one. But I think it was because I was more on like bookstagram and book talk in general than I had been. So it was kind of like having the podcast and talking more about books got me in front of more books. And that was actually like I read that in December of 2022. And it feels like it was so much longer ago. But I also asked you about it before I read it. Because I was like, everyone talks about this. If you read this one, you're like, yeah, I really did love it. So I may not have read it if I didn't have you being like, no, it was good. because I really had never stepped out of at least like some aspect of mystery, if not thrillers. So I just had it.

So then from there, of course, it's like everything else in all of the other books and Taylor Jenkins reads. I don't know what the world is called, the multiverse where there are like four books related. But I read Daisy Jones after that and was obsessed with that. Malibu Rising was so good. And then Carrie Soto. And I just loved all of them. And then a few months later, I read, Did You Hear About Kitty Car, which was similar as Evelyn Hugo, because it takes place in very, very early Hollywood, basically. And I just loved it so much.

And I still like, sometimes I still try to be like, maybe I will like this fiction. And sometimes it really is just too boring for me. I'm like, the pacing just isn't the same as a thriller or whatever. Yeah. But the ones that I have enjoyed outside of the thriller genre have been. so fun. Yeah, I agree. That's like funny too that you say that is because like I feel like when we started the podcast like our reading was very parallel to one another. Yeah. And now it's like more it's more of like a shock to me or it's more of like it's less common now for us to have a book

that we are reading in common. Yes, I agree. You know, like it's a very specific kind of thriller that we're reading at the same time. And if not, like, it's kind of like, we're like both like doing our own thing. Yeah. Um, which is so funny to me because you, I, like, I would have thought that like our reading would have been like super parallel, like more buddy reads, more like us having like the exact same TV. So the fact that it's like kind of gone in that opposite direction. Yeah. Just really kind of cracks me up. But it also like shows how much like the book community and like just readers in general can have so much in common without having to have book titles in common. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Like I used to have, like, my palate cleansers would be, um,

some books by like Saxon James and I would just kind of like read them and be like, oh, that was like a nice like male male romance, like kind of like steamy, not like super like deep or, you know, any like it was just like a fun read. And then from there, I ended up like finding my friend Holly who recommended a bunch to me. And when I found Kismet by Ashley James and I was like really into the characters and their story and the next thing I knew like I was reading like all of the C.E. Riki books and just like going on this tangent of like reading all of these meal male romances and like romantic. suspense, you know, like dramatic romances, like fun, fluffy ones.

And so the fact that I've like kind of like changed that, it's like almost that's how I view my, like my version of your Taylor Jenkins read. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like. I agree. And now it's like a thriller is like my palate cleanser. I know. You've like flip-flopped on it.

Other than like your auto buy authors, you'll probably always. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have there been any like speaking? of auto by author. What is like something that like you've continued in the last year that like wasn't like

necessarily a change but like. Yeah. Well, of course, most recently what I read is both an autobiothor and not a shock that I loved was Midnight is the darkest hour by Ashley Winstead. And I was actually, Tyler was asking me last week. He was like, did you finish it? I was like, yeah, it was really good. So he was just like asking about the book in general. And I told him, I totally forgot.

like when you read it months before I did. And you even said like there was like one part. You're like you're going to go crazy for it. Like this book is for you. You're going to love it so much. But like enough time had passed that I kind of forgot. So I wasn't like completely reading it with like, oh, what am I going to have that moment?

And there's a sentence near the end that's just like I almost had to like jump out of bed and start like doing victory laps because it was so amazing. So she was amazing once again, of course, and everybody needs to read it. It's so good. She just did so many genres in one is like the other crazy thing. When I was trying to explain it to Tyler, I was like, there's just a lot going on, but it all works. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah, I love that.

Oh, my God, I love that book so much. I know. She's definitely not a while. I need your casting this week. I know. I'm glad a lot of people. You know the funny thing is, it's like, I feel like, I have like when I do them,

if it's like a really popular book, like some of those characters come so easily to me that it's like easy for me to make the choice. But then like when I go to post it, I get that like heart drop moment where I'm like, because this book's popular and a lot of people have read it, like I hope that people don't like be like, so I always get like nervous,

especially with like hers. Because she's always like, she'll always give like really good feedback. with them. Yeah. So I never want to like disappoint an auto

by author. Yeah. I loved it though. I loved you guys. We both thought of Ruthie, so not Ruthie. That's the main character.

We both thought of Sadie for Ruthie. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Ashley did too. That's because she was like this is just in my head. Yeah.

And I love, I love Sadie Sink. Yes. I think she's excellent in, um um um stranger things oh okay that is what that is the big thing she's i knew she's in something big that i didn't watch and i was like which one is it i haven't caught up to stranger things but i think she's excellent in that and um she was in the 1978 fear street movie on netflix they did like the trilogy a couple summers ago um and she was in the um the second one which was

the 1970 and she was a fucking bad ass in it. Nice. So yeah. And that's in my list. I, I think that my like auto by author that like continued with me, that somebody that I love who's done a shitload of different things is Catherine Ryan Howard. Yeah, I was torn on this one. Like when she, like when her book came out, the trap. Yep. I was like, I'm going to read this because it's Catherine Ryan Howard. I don't really, I didn't really know what it was about. I didn't really care. I knew that, like, the cover was beautiful and that she wrote it.

And I was like, I'm just going to go in blind. And when I did, I was like, wow. Like, she just can do so much. And, like, you know, her books are thrillers. But, like, she can do so much with her characters and her plot twist and her reveals and Easter eggs. And, like, all of her books kind of have, like, different feels, but like they all really hit the mark for me when it comes down to,

like the subgenres, like the dark academia, a book that's like loosely based on true crime, a book that has like a movie setting for the plot. God, where does some of the other ones? Just anything. Anything she does. Like, I know. I still have some of hers I need to read So that I can have read all of them

Right there That's a little California and Howard shelf I don't have I don't own any physical copies of hers I'll have to change that But yeah that That book had a lot of things that you love about it About books

But some of them are spoilers So I won't say them I know I know It's like, I don't know. I just feel like she's like always going to be like, I could just be like male, male romance for the rest of my life. But like when a Catherine Ryan Howard book comes out like, I will read it.

You know? Yes. Kind of like how you are with Taylor Jenkins read. Like even if you decided to only read thrillers the rest of your life, like you would pick up a Taylor Jenkins read book. Yeah, which also means I need to test out someone for other ones. But we'll see. when I get to them. Some TJR fans have very strong opinions on, like, what you should read.

So I would put something like in your stories on Instagram and see what you get for feedback because, like, some of them are like, oh, my God, you'll love this and, like, read this in this order and, like, save this for last. Because I remember I did that. God, I think it was like when Daisy Jones and the Six came out. Mm-hmm. And, like, I was like, yeah. Hmm Yeah, the one true loves one sounds like it would wreck me But maybe I could get through it

Because it's like she's she marries someone or is about to marry someone and they think he dies in a plane crash Yes And then she falls in love with someone else and then he actually comes back alive and I'm like I don't even know what I would do I watched the movie Oh yeah, I forgot that one was made into a movie Yeah, I liked it I liked the movie

Nice I'm sure with her writing style the book is I know I think I would probably enjoy it once I got sucked in Yeah, but I really enjoyed the movie So I think you would like that one Ooh, little TV slash movie Spotlight We watched the other black girl The Adaptation on Hulu

and here's my like very short review of it but the changes that they made for the TV show I was obsessed with it made it feel more like a thriller it was more fast-paced but it still stayed true to like the core of the story and it was very fun and this hot take was maybe the first time where I liked the TV show more than the book. Well, that's... So there's that for everyone who's looking for a TV show to watch. That's awesome.

Yeah. Check it out. I am my little TV corner. The other night, I very, like, quickly caught up to tell me lies. I only have the finale left. Oh, my God.

And I was just like, I just forgot how much I love this story. And how much I love. Like, I just remember, like, that book was so good. And, like, I love Corolla Lovering. And they were, yeah, the way everyone's, like, involved, which I didn't read the book. I ended up starting the show before I knew there was a book. But at least in the show, the way that, like, everyone's perspectives has, like, different information kind of. Yes.

Yes. I love that. Yeah. The book is a lot different. There's, like, more of, like, a wallet. That's what I thought. at the end. Yeah.

So that's why, like, in the first, like, couple of episodes, I was like, why are they giving us this information so quickly? And then, like, you know, as I'm watching the show, like, there's still, there's two big wallops at the end of the TV version. I have, all I have left is the finale, so I might watch that tonight. The finale, like, it was one of those ones. First of all, it's, like, one of the most guilty pleasure shows I've ever watched. Like, everyone is truly terrible.

Like, really some pretty terrible. people, but I've not Evan. Okay, you're right. You're right. I love him with all of my heart. Like if anybody says anything bad about Evan, I would be like, I'm not watching the show anymore. If he does anything like horrible. Okay, except for Evan. Everyone's pretty terrible. Like you're sometimes you're like, why am I so in love with this? Like I cannot, I could not stop watching the show. My jaw was on the floor at the end of it with the like last two scenes. it was wild so wild and it's not I know it's not in the book because I read reviews about it so you're

going to you're going to have a nice surprise oh my god well I heard that they had renewed it for a second season and I was like how are they going to carry this on you'll you'll understand how yeah yeah there's something they do at the end where it was like that was my reaction where I was like okay nice they were setting it up so that they could do another season if they wanted to. It kind of reminds me of like a college setting of the affair. Yes. I totally agree with that. And I just like love Steve. What is wrong with me? Like I know that Evan is like the guy that I should end up with. Right. But I don't mind wasting time with somebody like Stephen until I get to my Evan. Yeah. So but I was like, oh my God, why is he so? There's.

like one this isn't like a huge spoiler it's just like everybody knows that Stephen's an asshole yeah right the he's really hot asshole he's really hot asshole but there's one scene where this isn't a spoiler like I just don't really think it's like that big of a deal because it's

small but his acting is so good in it when he they're they're out for Evan's birthday they're like out of town and when Stephen takes the camera I was like I know my god they make like

they take like the smallest things or like something that doesn't require a lot of dialogue and just like make your jaw drop yeah that is that sums up a show in one sentence so you're caught up with like current things and I'm reading or I'm watching a show

that I should have finished like two years ago because I was like so pumped like I read the book in like a day before the show came out and I was like oh my God like I caught up to it and then like the show came out

I was like no I have times but it's so good it's the epitome of toxic relationship drama my God I know oh it will make you question your taste in men with how much

you like Stephen it's just true. You'll be sitting there like, why do I like this so much? I never question my taste in men because I know that it's trash. And you do too. It may just make you come face to face with your taste in men. Yeah, I'm going to like text you at like 2 o'clock in the morning because I'll be like, well, I finish this at 11, but I've just been staring at myself in the mirror.

Yes. Self-reflecting for the last three fucking hours. Oh my God. I'm gonna, uh, that's like that, yeah, that's like, I would definitely rewatch that show too. Yeah. That was such a huge break. Before the second season comes out. We'll see. Yeah, let's do that.

Um, God, if there's dating. I know, that's crazy. What's his face? I can't think of his name now. Jackson White. Jackson. Yep. Yeah. Um, did you watch that ambulance movie?

I did. It was like, it was. He's one, he's totally different. You wouldn't think he was the same person. He's like this meek little like geeky drop. I almost could not believe it. There was like something else. I can't remember what it is.

But when I saw him in ambulance, I was like, oh my God, I recognize him from somewhere. And then like he was kind of different in ambulance than he was in like whatever it was that I had recognized him from. And I was like, oh my God. And like I just like fell for him and like ambulance because I was like, I was like, he's such a little sweetheart. Oh, my God. And then when they announced the cast for Tell Me Lies, I was like, the sweet security or the sweet cop from ambulance is going to be this like diabolical asshole. Mm-hmm.

And I was like, like the first episode, I was like, oh, my God, he's a diabolical asshole. I know. It's like major props to his ability, his range. Yeah. Because he truly is being a different person. my god. I think that's like one of the things that would like scare me about. Also, if you've only looked at pictures of him and you're like, what are these guys talking about? You need to see him and tell me lies. That's the answer.

Yeah. It's kind of like, like, I love Jake Jelenhall, but like everybody's like, oh, he's like the sweet boy next door kind of vibe. And I think of him from prisoners. right where he was like the like tough like emotionally distant cop right with neck tattoos like there's plenty of movies well yeah but there's plenty

movies where he's not being a good boy but he was like a sweetheart and broke back yeah I actually haven't seen that movie I probably should watch it it's one of those random ones that just got missed from my childhood, as you can imagine. Oh my God, you will love it. You will love that. The acting is so good. It's too iconic for me to have still not seen it. Yeah. Oh, my God,

you will love it. I have a feeling that like when you watch it, like, you'll probably be like, this is going to be my personality for a little bit. It probably will be. Because you're like, I think it's just, oh my God, it's so good. Yeah, I can't wait for you to watch that. Tyler's gone for a few days, so maybe I'll catch up on my cue. I'll watch it with you. I haven't seen it in a very long time. Yeah. It's older.

What is one thing going into our next year of this amazing experience? Or like an author or something that you know will never change. because like we kind of talked about like yeah like we kind of talked about like what like what has changed and like an autobiothor that we like loved but like what is like one thing that you know will be consistent with you as a reader

here on out. So I kind of think like my constant search for new favorite sci-fi thrillers will always be something I'm like excited about. Because it's like sometimes. So some of what sci-fi, sci-fi can get long and preachy.

Sometimes like when it's not like paste the way I like. So sometimes it's a little bit harder for me to like find that. But I don't think it'll ever go away that like when I get a really good sci-fi thriller. I'm so excited and so hooked. And I'm normally like analyzing all kinds of stuff while I'm reading it. that makes sense yeah yeah i was gonna say i was gonna like wonder if you were gonna say something about sci-fi thrillers because i feel like that's like something that like like you'll always be like passionate about like that or like spy thrillers yes yep those are the

two that are just so fun to find ones that i love the new one is the one i read this year because i think yeah because the paradox hotel was the one i read i read a while ago and loves it so much. And then I think this year the one I read was the new one that like stuck with me the most where like if I could know I could read a book really similar to that one I would.

So yeah. Now I'm yawning. Not because it's boring. Like oh my God. I'm like sci-fi. Oh my God. Oh God. Just thinking about it makes me sleepy. Yeah.

Listen. What about you? probably like serial killer thrillers. Like anything that scares the shit out of me. Like I think the thing is with like a serial killer thriller is that like my biggest fear is like a home invasion. Or like being like attacked in any way, shape or form like that. But I'm always like very curious about like the psychological aspect of like why somebody is a serial killer, why they target like whatever their victim, you know, profile is. and like Jessica Noel, bright young women, like I will forever read Jessica Noel. But like for her to write a book like that that she wrote with Bright Young Women,

I was like, this is, this like book is going to be like my go to. Like I want people to get on Instagram or listen to this podcast and know that like if they read bright young women, it was because like I was like forcing it down their throat. You know what I mean? Like I want everybody to read that book because it did scare the shit out of me. And it made me super sad. But it is. I think that was even what I said in my review.

Like just be prepared for like heavier reading. Yeah. Like and I mean, I'm used to like serial killer thrillers in the sense of like action packed. Mm-hmm. Who done it. Kind of, you know, like that style. So with this one, like I was really scared because the opening with Pamela terrified.

Yes. but like I just kind of put myself in that position of like that must have been a horrifying time to be alive for women yes and she did such a good job of capturing how much at the same time like part of why it was so scary was how women were convinced

I don't know if you can hear Bruce yet was Bruce. So Jessica Nguel did a really good job of showing how, like, women didn't even think that they could have much agency. So it made it even scarier is where I was going with that. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like so character driven because it was like, it was scary that there's like this evil person out there that's doing all of this stuff. But it's like the after effects of his crimes on, you know, women and like the people that were related to them and how like it like shattered so many lives, you know, just yeah, even though they weren't like attacked themselves. But yeah, it was just so good and it was so sad. And I think that kind of like made me realize how much like there needs

to be more stories like that within the subgenre of serial killer thrillers where they are very character driven because, you know, like in real life, people are like, oh, I remember like Jack the Ripper, but, like, you don't know any of the victims or Ted Bundy or, you know, anything like that. I think that, like, the focus really should definitely be on the victims. Yes. So, yeah, that's, I'll always read a Jessica Knoll book, but I think that, like, that will be my, like, favorite book ever in my life for a long time. Oh.

Until our next point. It's always the best finding those. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's usually, like, Jessica Knoll. Like it's usually like when she releases a book, I'm like, I know this is going to be like. Yeah. My favorite book until whatever her next one is, you know.

Right. Definitely. Do you have, do you have any most memorable moment that you remember from the podcast in this last year? Yeah. Do you? Because I have a funny moment that happened. So I went to get a massage from my friend. I was about to say who's a massage therapist, but you probably guessed that she was.

I wasn't just demanding she massaged me. She works in the deli. I wish my friend massaged me. But she has like actually, she's gotten a little bit more into reading because she's watched some of our episodes. And so when we were, like, I started like face down. And so then she had me like flip over. and naturally like

I somehow managed to sweat even if I'm getting massage and so my bangs were like completely stuck like up and like just all kinds of angles and she started laughing and then started apologizing stop

stop stop it stop it stop it I feel everyone everyone must be walking their dogs out there. So she started laughing and she's like, I'm so sorry,

I'm not laughing at you. Well, I kind of am. And she was like, I was just remembering that podcast episode where you were saying that you looked like that serial killer. And I was like, Larry.

And she was like, I swear I'm not laughing at it. I was like, you are and that's okay. So I was just like cracking up. I was like that clip was from like months ago. But Larry was resurrected. at my massage. I think the Larry bangs were like one of my, I think that was like one of my favorite

moments too because like I feel like that is something that like if we were to make merch, like, there could be something with like Larry on it. Yes. But it was also like kind of like one of those like times that like I knew we were going to have like an inside joke between us and whoever was listening. So it's been it's been like that moment Anytime somebody like tags us in like an Instagram story like quoting us or like saying that they're reading a book because they heard about it on the podcast. That's my favorite. That's like that's like such a surreal moment for me. Like I think that's like amazing and it like just like makes my heart like flutter when that has.

I love when people say we ruin their TBRs. I'm proud TBR ruiner. Same. Same. But I think like my favorite moment was like our first time talking like face to face, like not through a text or a DM was our first episode. And I literally just like us talking about how nervous we were for that first episode. episode. Whereas like now, like, I know. You know, if it wasn't for like us doing this on video

for like YouTube and stuff, like, we could be recording this like laying on our couches or like laying in bed or whatever. And like I just like don't get anxious about it whatsoever. But like that first day, like I was like nervous the minute I woke up until like the end of it. Yes. We do. Just like, I don't know, Tyler. We've never recorded it. thing. I think that's like what's like cracks me up to is that like we were both so nervous and like neither one of us knew that the other person was like nervous. Because I was like you do this all the time. Like you interview people all the time. You interview authors all the time. Like you're not going to be nervous talking to some like reader. You know what I mean? Like you know what I mean?

So yeah. I was just like so nervous. I talk to new authors too. Which is like a a good reminder to everyone. You don't know when other people are freaking out. Like, everyone could be feeling nervous about a situation. And we're all just like, oh, we're totally normal and fine. Yeah. I think that way about like anxiety too. Like when people, like, some people like talk really fast when they have like anxiety or they like focus on a situation or like a conversation and they like kind of like hyper fixate on it. So but yeah, you never know when anyone's freaking out. I don't freak out now. Now I'm just like, let's fucking go. Like I'm super pumped. I know. But what were we going to talk about this time?

I also liked, like, I've kind of really enjoyed the evolution of us going from reading, like, the synopsis of a book from, like, Goodreads or Amazon to, like, kind of just like being like, like, this is like kind of like a serial killer book about like X, Y, and Z. Yeah. Because I think that, like, while we try to keep these episodes at like a normal length, it is more fun because we have more time to, like, talk about why we're excited for a book, like why we love it, like stuff like that. So I really liked that like evolution as well. Yeah, me too. It's been so cool. I do. It is so fun when people read something or like even when it's a book that you've talked about, but then I see it pop up on like someone I know who listens and says they're reading it. And I'm like, I wonder if it's because they heard us talking about it. I know. When I get like the notification

and it's like, oh, I was listening to killing the T. and now I'm reading this and like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or they, like, quote, like, something, like, funny that we said or, um, my last one. Because you're, by techie, Becky, like, you just do, like, the coolest things with, like, our reels and stuff. Mm-hmm. Um, and, like, editing and producing and just, like, all around an amazing,

talented human being. Um, my favorite thing is when I'm just scrolling through and, through TikTok and one of our reels pops up. I bet that is so fun. Like, because it's just my for you page. Yeah. It's not like, you know how you can switch it to like only people that you're following? Yeah.

Well, mine, I never switched to that. I always just have my regular like, for you page and whatnot. And so like when it pops up and it's like a conversation that we're having and it's like a real, even if it's like an, especially if it's an older one because then I like reminisce and like laugh a little bit. but it just feels so cool to like see like a real pop-up of like us recording an episode of, you know, something that's been such a huge part of my life for the last year. Yeah. Yeah.

I agree. I love when you ask me, what's your favorite thing? And I list off like four or five. I know. It's like, you're like, uh, and then you're like all of these things. I'm here for it, though. And some of the authors I've met have been so sweet. cool and fun.

Yeah. So that's fun too. Yeah. But it's more just us on this one most of the time. Yeah. Happy anniversary, Bessie. Thanks. You too.