Bookwild - Kaira Rouda's Jill Is Not Happy: Jack and Jill Go on a Tense Road Trip

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

This week, I talked with Kaira Rouda about her new thriller Jill Is Not Happy. We dive into how her own road trip inspired the story, what Kaira loves about writing domestic thrillers, and the likeable unlikeability of Jill.Jill is Not Happy SynopsisSome secrets keep a couple together.If you ask Jill Tingley, she’ll tell you she and her husband Jack are college sweethearts living the dream in Southern California. Wealthy, popular and genetically blessed, theirs is an enviable life, though they’ve grown distant in recent years. Newly empty nesting with their daughter Maggie away at college, Jill suggests a road trip to reconnect.Jack would rather do anything else than drive to Utah with his wife. He’s only stayed in this marriage because of a shared secret, a tragedy in the past he wanted to keep buried. And for his daughter’s sake. But Jack is finished with the charade of his marriage. He’s filing for divorce as soon as they return, no matter what.But he doesn’t realize what else Jill is hiding.So begins a cat-and-mouse road trip as a cunning wife—think Ripley in yoga pants—and a reluctant husband match wits and drive each other to the edge. But everything will be fine. Jill still loves Jack and believes he’s the only one for her. She’ll do anything to keep him. Anything. She always has. Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

This week I got to talk with K. Rubuda about her newest thriller Jill is not happy, which is a cat and the mouse domestic suspense that takes place on a road trip. Here is what it's about. Some secrets keep a couple together. If you ask Jill Tindjali, she'll tell you she and her husband Jack are college sweethearts living the dream in Southern California. Wealthy, popular, and genetically blessed, theirs is an enviable life. though they've grown distant in recent years. Newly empty nesting with her daughter Maggie away at college, Jill suggests a road trip to reconnect. Jack would rather do anything else than drive to Utah with his wife.

He's only stayed in this marriage because of a shared secret, a tragedy in the past he wanted to keep buried, and for his daughter's sake. But Jack is finished with the charade of his marriage. He's filing for divorce as soon as they return no matter what. But he doesn't realize what else Jill is hiding. So begins a cat and mouse road trip as a cunning wife, think Ripley in yoga pants, and a reluctant husband match wits and drive each other over the edge. But everything will be fine. Jill still loves Jack and believes he's the only one for her. She'll do anything to keep him. Anything. She always has. We dive into where the idea for this book came from,

what Jill was like writing an unlikable, likable character, and what can you. Kara loves about writing domestic suspense. So that being said, here is Kara. I am so excited to talk about Jill is not happy. So we are going to dive into that, but I did want to get to know a little bit more about you at first. So what was the moment that you knew you wanted to be a writer? Or what was like the first idea where you were like, I think I want to try writing a novel? Yeah, I knew I wanted to be a writer from third grade. Our third grade teacher had us write to the person we wanted to become. Oh, that's cool.

I know, which is so cool, it's such a great idea. And so I wrote to Robert McCloskey of Make Way for Ducklings and Bluaries for Sal. That's my favorite author at the time. And he actually wrote me back and said, which was great because a lot of the kids didn't get their heroes writing them back. And he said, you know, dear Kara, I'm an illustrator, not an author. pick better next time. But you know, you kind of remember that. So that's how I remember that I always wanted to do that. And then that started my illustrious career, of course. I had, I wrote a story in fifth grade that my librarian, Mrs. Gardier laminated and put in the elementary

school library so people could check it out. And I just remember like that was such a highlight too. But then between fifth grade and, you know, now, I have had a lot of careers. Most of them revolved around writing. So I've always been writing, but I hadn't had that really with the, you know, the guts to write a novel until 2011. That's when my first novel came out. Yeah. That's so cool. I have, they're actually over there in the corner, but not close to me.

We had, like, the teachers that would, like, buy the books where, like, you would have to, like, illustrate it and write it. and write it and then they send it in and they send you back a published copy yeah so fun i have i have i have i have one that was like that where it was like a finished copy and then one that was like uh i don't know if you guys have like michaels or joanne's i think that's like national um but sometimes you can get like those that are just completely blank and then you like write in them so it's so cool having that stuff it is and it's amazing to me like how one teacher or one librarian can inspire you so much that it sticks with the rest of your life. That's just a good gift.

Yeah, I was speaking of Thriller Fest. I heard Stacey Willingham saying that like the English teacher that like helped her think she could write now has book clubs for her books. And I was like, that is just the coolest story ever. It is cool what teachers can do. It really is. Yeah. So once you started writing fiction, um, How, like, what is your writing process like now and has it kind of developed over time or has it stayed pretty much the same?

I'd say like the process has stayed pretty much the same. The themes have gotten darker and darker and darker. Yes. It's rather terrifying. But my first novel was called Here Home Hope and it was what they call women's fiction, which is ridiculous fiction. It is. Yeah. And it was loosely based on my nonfiction.

book, which was my first published work, which was for women entrepreneurs called Really You Incorporated Eight Essentials for Women Entrepreneurs. And so my agent at the time kind of wanted me to write a novel that was kind of a nod to that nonfiction work. So it was about a woman having a midlife crisis and she had a list of things to change and, you know, pretty heartwarming, not a lot of darkness. And then from then on, it's just gotten darker and darker. Yeah.

I love that though. Is there something that, like, draws you to writing like domestic suspense and thrillers or something about it that kind of like makes you want to write them i mean i guess i've always been a big fan of the genre and i've always read these kinds of stories so yeah we're in in the back of my head also you know of course date line and all the classic crime kind of tv and all of that so i've that's always been where i found myself And I'm not sure what happened was that I was writing another kind of women's fiction suburban story when Paul Strom, my first scary character popped into my head. And I wrote Best Day Ever, which came out really fast.

And it was just, you know, very different than what I had been working on. And I sent it to my agent. And she's like, oh, I don't read these. I don't read domestic. I don't read thrillers. Oh, no. This could be a big problem. me because I think I really want to write this way. So anyway, long story short, she ended up

reading it finally and read it overnight and sent me an email and just said, oh, my gosh, we're going to sell this. Yeah, so it was so fun. So Best's kind of kicked it off. Yeah. Yeah, that's really cool. You converted her. I did. I did. Yeah. With, so it sounds like with that one especially, you kind of had a character maybe come to mind first. So how do you get to know your characters do you kind of i know you're always going to probably get to know them as you're writing but do you do like anything to get to know them before you start or like how does that relationship develop yeah i kind of i usually typically or so far you never know but i usually start with a character popping into my head so with jill is not happy jill popped into my head and then usually setting

and a title so yeah with jill she was rolling around in my head when my husband and i took a drive to the Utah National Parks. And, you know, I'm looking out of this spectacular scenery and all the rock formations and these things called hoodoos that are like sandstone sculptures in the middle of Bryce Canyon and the sun's setting. It's really dark and getting a little spooky. And I'm like, oh, man, I could kill somebody here. This could be a good thing. Yeah. And so then Jill was there and kind of one of the first settings for the book. And then I had a title, which was Marital Privile. Not at all as fun as Jill is not happy. But marital privilege is the notion, legal notion, I guess, that you can't be compelled to testify against your spouse if you're speaking.

So that's a good one too for this one. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that was the working title the whole time until my agent and I were talking. Yeah. Jill is just not happy. And I'm like, she is not happy. And all of a sudden, she's like, that's the title. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it is. I get how it's a little more like accessible. in a marketing sense since not everyone's going to think of the like oh you can't you don't have to testify against your spouse if you don't want to exactly but I like that that's I really do like that um it is cool it sounds like your inspiration really was from traveling through parks on your own trip um and I I just love hearing how like authors like going through their lives like just experience something you're like ah i could put murder here um so did you have did jill herself kind of come to you

then when you were traveling or was it kind of like that setting spoke to you and then you're like okay who would i put here i think it was a little bit simultaneous but she didn't i didn't start working on the story until much later after the trip so it's almost like the setting kind of settled in my memory and then Jill was there ready to grab it and go. Yeah. Yeah, I saw in an article, I think, that you said like this kind of like sat in your drawer for a while. Was there something that made you like, okay, now I'm ready to write this one? Yeah, she, I mean, I wrote this pretty soon after our trip to Utah. For whatever reason, like my agent at the time didn't think, it was the right time for it or whatever. So it just kind of sat around. And then I changed agents.

And the first manuscript I sent her was this one. And she's like, oh, my God, I love this for going so. That's cool. At that moment because she had been, she'd been in a drawer for a while. Yeah. So it's, yeah, which goes to show you, I think when people talk about wanting to be a writer, all the kind of hurdles that happen along the way that you just have to keep believing in yourself. Yeah. Because if I hadn't, if I listened to the other agent, you know, Jill would probably still be in the drawer someplace. Right. Yeah, just kind of the kismet of

meeting her and having it there. Yeah. One of the fun parts of the book is it's Jack and Jill on a trip together. So did you know that it was going to be Jack? Like, when did you come up with kind of that like brilliant fun play on jack and jill yeah that kind of came right away well when i was writing because i'm a pancer so i'm not outlaw yeah start writing and literally like as soon as he had to have a name it had to be jack it yeah it just was so funny and you know i'm just i'm astounded really by how scary nursery rhymes and fairy tales are it's just always been like what are we reading our children so torturous It's like for, you know, for generation after generation. So anyway, and then I went back and reread the nursery.

I'm like, this is just vicious. It is. Yeah, perfect. It really is. I know. And like all the Disney movies where like parents die at the beginning of it, you're like, what? Yeah. I'm like, why the mom always have to die?

Yeah, totally. So annoying. I guess Lion King, the dad gets taken out. But it's normally, yeah, we've got like Bambi and. Yeah, so sad. So Jill is diabolical as well as not happy. How did you kind of like work with creating this character that we kind of like love to hate as we're spending time with her? Yeah, I love those kind of characters.

I mean, to me, the kind of the challenge and hopefully the reward of reading about somebody like her is that at one point you're kind of rooting for her or you're laughing along with her and then you're like oh no did she just really do that so yeah i think that's the fun in these kind of characters because if i can get you to like at least relate to her a little bit then she's going to be able to woo you into going along for the ride yeah we've all i think that's some of the fun and like especially i mean this is it's kind of taking place in a car but like it is domestic but i think some of the fun with like domestic thrillers is like it's a kind of hyper hyperbolicizing why can't I think of what that word is blowing up like some of the feelings that we just do have like the frustrations that feel like so big

one day and you're like I wish I could just kill this person um it is some of the fun of it is like spending time in the mind of a person who acts on that kind of stuff correct because I do think like anybody that's been in a long-term relationship, can't relate to that, right? Yes. Okay, if you leave that something open again, I'm going to have to kill you. Like, how many times to tell you? And then in Jill's case, she would just, you know, handle it a different way. Yeah, yeah, she handled it a little more directly.

Yeah. So we do bounce back and forth between Jack and Jill's perspective. I know you said you panced it. So was that, did you know you were going to do that, or did you kind of start writing? and you were like, yeah, I need his perspective too. Yeah, so I started writing, and I'm a fan of a single POV all the way through, but the best I ever was and the favorite daughter was. But it's really fun to have two POVs or multiple points of view,

because then if Jill's about to tell you too much, I can kick her off stage and have Jack come in. So, you know, while I'm writing, it's actually fun. Yeah, you can kind of hide information that way a little bit more since like everyone's perspective is a little bit biased toward themselves. Correct. Yeah, it was fun. The other thing that you really feel, you feel a little bit isolated with them in the road trip sense.

And that it's always so effective in suspense and thrillers because it is you're kind of like, oh, how what, like what's going to happen? Everyone's in close quarters and basically all of that. was that was that part of what made you wanted to have them on a road trip where you starting to feel claustrophobic on your road trip oh gosh yeah my poor husband he's like what are you talking about again but yeah i mean i think as a setup it's just perfect because you're sitting there in a car no matter what car it is you look side by side you know you're one person's druggies so they have to pay attention the road a little bit more but you are forced to be together and you're really no escape unless you, you know, pull over the side of the road. So I, I thought once Jill had decided

they were going on a road trip, I thought it was a perfect setup for them. And, you know, she has her notebook along with her. And I kind of imagine it's looking kind of like this, you know, I love that. And then she also has a pen. And so whenever Jack is like honking her off, she just leans over and like tickle him in my village and just make him back. It's like her burn book. Yeah, just get, get him all the way angry at her. So, Yeah, so I do. I love a good road trip. Yeah. Yeah, totally. It was, who's the other one I read? Oh, it's the, it's Samantha Downings. I can't even think of the title right now, but I really loved that one too. And it was kind of giving me the same vibes as that one. Oh, I know. I didn't think of the great book, yeah. Yeah. I can't believe I can't think of the title. I can see the, I can see the cover and the, and the final moment that's kind of the cover. But anyway, yours the, you're the, So it also is like really exploring secrets, especially in a marriage and how they push us apart,

but also how they can sometimes keep us together a little bit. So how did you kind of explore that? Because it is almost accessible. We all kind of know that there are not huge secrets always in every marriage, but it's like you do have stuff that they don't know. And then sometimes it does bring you together. So how did you approach that? Well, I think the whole concept of shared secrets, like I said, when the original title is marital privilege, that, you know, as they say in the copy, like some secrets keep a couple together. And so if you have like a dark, a dark, bad, horrible secret that you share together, you don't want to bring it up, but it's kind of sitting there between you like a rock, right?

Or maybe a banker that's holding you both there. And especially for Jack, since he wants to get away from the marriage and he's already taking one step out the door, like he has to be ready to realize that if he does take that step away from the marriage, that all of those secrets are going to come tumbling out. And Jill's going to make sure of it. And that's really the leverage she has over him, even though he doesn't really realize it all the time. He thinks he can see. Yeah, he thinks he's a little bit ahead.

Yeah, they are on most. mostly kind of like a collision course of like mutual destruction is definitely part of what's happening there too. Did you, did you have more fun writing either of the perspectives or were they both just kind of fun to play with? You know, I have to say like Jill is the most fun because she's completely unhinged, I guess. I don't know what she just is so true to herself and what believes to be right and she's yeah so jack was fungerbite because he's a little more wishy-washy because he'll get he's very sure that he wants to leave and then jill will say something and he's like gosh i'm never going to get out of here you know so he's yeah it's kind of like the cat with the mouse

totally yeah it really is i saw some comparisons of it to war of the roses was that any like initial inspiration or is it just like you wrote this story and it it does happen to be some like similar vibes it's not the same thing right yeah yeah i wrote it and then the um marketing people are like oh yeah yeah i love that movie and yeah yeah how real it could be yeah there is a sense and hopefully with jack and jill too because again it's just you know yeah just the the marriage can bring out the best and the worst of everyone right yes it does and i do think we all like marriage thrillers or marriage movies and all that kind of thing because we're like well thank goodness that's not us right we might have some stuff but at least it's not that bad yes yeah I agree and it is

one of those things like the longer the longer you're with someone you do have like those little things that add up and then you read something like this and you're like oh we are perfectly normal we are fine we are so good just perfectly okay celebrate how good we are. Yes. Well, and that kind of even speaks to some of the themes, really in all of your books, that you definitely write about kind of like the everything looks picture perfect, but what's actually happening behind that. So is there's something about that theme that is intriguing to you? Oh, yeah. I love beneath the surface of seemingly perfect lives. That's just kind of where my brain and imagination go to because we all know that when things seem too perfect, there's, it's just, I mean, the perfect marriage is a perfect illusion, the perfect family is a perfect illusion,

all of that. And I guess as a product of the suburbs, a long time in Columbus, Ohio, and then several other places around the country, you just, you just know that, like the keeping up at the Jones's stuff and the grass is always greener and all. of those sayings, it really is true. And it's easy to get swept into that as a person, you know, just looking there and trying to make your way, make your kids way, all that. So it is something that I'm always fascinated by. Yeah. Yeah. And it's fun like figuring out which of the things are like truly that good and which of them are just absolutely not. There are a lot of reviews talking about, not in a bad way either, but talking about how like Jill is unlikable, which is this whole funny conversation that happens in the thriller world. I think it happens more, in my opinion,

with people who are kind of read thrillers, but mostly read other genres. I think our hardcore thriller readers are like more prepared for that. But how do you kind of feel about it by the end? Like, is she likable? Is she understandable? Yeah, where do you kind of fall? Well, I personally think she's understandable and likable, unreliable, and shocking. So I don't know how that all kind of goes together, but to me it does. And like I said, I think it makes for a hopefully fun fast read, but also an interesting character. Yeah.

I just think when you have a person who is all of those things, it makes it more fun. because you don't know what you're going to get next. Yeah, totally. There's also like the, there's like a lot of psychological suspense going on too. And a lot of, not totally stream of consciousness, but like we are like in their heads,

like really trying to get a grasp of how they got to where they are at this point. But you also have to keep like the plot moving, the road trip moving. Do you, is there some, is there a way that you try to balance those two elements? or I know you said you're a pants or is it kind of like you're just like this is what feels right next. Yeah, it's kind of like this is what feels right next. It's so cool.

It's so cool while it's happening, you know, because it's like a show was playing in my head while I'm writing and it's yeah. I'm going to see it all play out. And that's that is the magic. Absolutely. So, yeah, there's not really a plan. But I do as I'm writing keep track of their lies because my characters tend to lie a lot. And so I found that if I write down something that doesn't wish Jill says something and I'm right, I'm like, well, that's got to be a lie. So I'll write that down just so I'll remember what she's not saying the exact truth about. But otherwise, it's just pretty much going. That is why I'm probably not a good candidate to teach like a writing class. You're like, I don't know, you just sit there and it comes to you.

And it's like a movie in your head and people are like, what is she talking about? That's cool, though. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, I'm working on writing something right now, but I, I, somewhat similar to what you were saying with keeping track of lies. I've like gotten to this place where like, since I have multiple perspectives, I, if I, because it comes out subconsciously when I'm like walking or at the store or whatever, I'm like always thinking of little scenes that one person could witness and think they knew what was happening and have it actually be interpreted a different way. So I'm like, any time that I can try to think of a scene where I'm like, oh, if I was an outsider, I would think this. But if I had all the information, I would think this. That is kind of like the fun of thrillers.

So fun. Yeah. Yeah. Having all that shifting perspectives going on. Did you, so when you started, did you, as a pancer, did you have an idea where you wanted to end or did you just arrived at the end with them? I love that. It's like that the secret quote, which like really applies here that like you can drive from New York to California only seeing like 20 feet ahead of you. So I'm assuming you can just write your books that way.

Yeah. Yeah. So far. It's so deep. It's amazing. Well, and it's it's hard to because, you know, your agent kind of wants to know what you're working. Right. Where it's going and then, you know, editors and all that.

And so I did at a certain point in my career. I would just write the whole book and then write this synops. So what do you think of this? Because if I do like a synopsis, my characters just go and they go away. So yeah, so that is not a recommendation of mine at all. To do that, by the way. That is like triple the work. But I mean, it did work for you though.

So I mean, it might work for some other people. It might. I just when I listen to people who are like organized and plotters and all that stuff, that is so logical. Right. That is probably how you should do it. but I cannot. And I, yeah, I'm actually working on a collaboration right now with two other authors.

And the one author is a huge plotter. So she has a spreadsheet that we're supposed to follow. And while I'm like in there trying to, I don't even know how to do Excel. Yeah, that'd be hard. Yeah. I'm messing up things and moving stuff around because I don't know what I'm doing. And yeah, it's funny. But, you know, so I can appreciate a great plotter, but I just am not going to ever be one.

Yeah, that would be hard to start writing with someone who was that way. You're like, I don't know. I have to feel the vibes. Spreadsheets don't have vibes. Yeah, I know. They don't at all. They have a lot of boxes. Yeah.

They're easily messed with by me because I don't know what I'm doing. I'm like, oh, no, I'll be dragging something way every year. You're like, why did I say yes to this? It's always good to learn. Yes, yeah, totally. I mean, I'm excited for whatever that is. it's been fun listening to or when I interviewed all of the authors of Desper Deadly Widows, I can't remember if that's the first one or the second one.

It was hearing that too, how like they just all had different writing processes. I'm just like, it was reminding me of school projects and how hard it can be to collaborate, but then how like you can really get some unique stuff out of it too. Yeah, because I think it's, you know, writing is writing. and moving a platform is moving a platform. Whether they're like boxes of ideas already sketched out or not, you can, you do learn by learning a new technique. Yeah.

It doesn't necessarily have to adopt it or adapt it. Right. But I'm sure I've learned. Now I know how to wrap text inside of a cell. There you go. It's a very big skill I've picked up. Moving on up in the Excel world. But I hate it in there.

I'm like, oh, I'm going to. Oh, that's funny. When I was in therapy, she used to say, like, the goal, because, like, at the time, it was, like, I was in my 20s and, like, just because of the way I grew up, I didn't know who I actually was and who actually knows who they are in their 20s. But she would tell me, like, I got really into reality TV and just had, like, never been into reality TV. And she was like, no, this is good because you're seeing, like, a wide range of, like,

ways to be female. And she was like, and you. like and you can kind of like try it on and see if that works for you and if that one doesn't you can pass on it but you can just kind of try on all this stuff so it sounds like you can kind of do that with writing too yeah i've never even thought about like reality tv that way but you're right it is like these archetypes yeah women characters and you can kind of say oh well that's a little bit mean right right and it's so exaggerated obviously it's very heightened but it i mean like that's weird things. That's how I learned about like false lashes. And I was like, oh, do I want false

lashes? And like, now here I am like buying lash clusters via the mail. Yeah. Yeah, so you can kind of try it all out. Have you read anything recently that you've loved? Let's see. I just finished our last resort. I'm about to start that one. That is crazy that you just said that. I'm starting it tonight. Are you? Oh, my gosh. Yes. Yeah, really good.

And it's funny because I hadn't read anything about it. I just started reading it. Uh-huh. It seems familiar. And it's set again in Utah, which is where my story is set. And this time, yeah, her setting is this Arminguery resort, which is like this unbelievable. It's like a mirage.

At the end of our staying in the National Park Lodges, we ended up with the Almigari, which my friend had told us, don't start there. because you won't want to go to the lodges. You really, you go there and it's like nothing I've ever seen before. It's gorgeous. But it is like a mirage. It's so perfect. Anyway, that's where our last resort is set.

Oh, my gosh. I thought that was really funny. You two are going to make me want to go to Utah this year. It's a great place. Yeah, that's awesome. Yep. I'm starting that one. For anyone who's listening, comes out July 8th.

So really soon. And I loved the silent tenet so much. it was so good my friend gare who i think has been on your killer authors podcast i think that was what he was on um he's reading it right now and he just like sent me something in all caps he's like there's an easter rag in here that just like made my stomach hurt have you started it yet and i'm like well i need to start something new tonight so i will and we had that conversation like an hour and a half ago so when you said our last resort i was like what we're all connected you were you probably were um So you guys have the killer author club.

Can you just like explain that for any readers who need some more podcasts or stuff to listen to? I know there's so much. Yes, the killer author club started in 2022, like the middle of the pandemic when I had a book coming out, unfortunately titled somebody's home and we were all stuck at home. Yeah. This poor book, no one's going to read her. But anyway, so I reached out to Kimberly Bell and Heather B. who also had books coming out at the same time.

And they both said, yes. So we started this, it's a live show every other Tuesday for 30 minutes. We've also turned it into a podcast. And we talked to writers, crime fiction writers, about killing of the fictional kind, of course. So it's been really fun. Yeah, it is very cool. And I think you guys had, when that like, doll the kind of AI generated doll trend was going around you guys had the coolest Barbie dolls you guys

like made the coolest ones and i was like i was like how did i not think to do this with my co-hosts but i never got back around to it i just did like the little blister pack but your guys's barbie versions were amazing they were really creepy yeah yeah that is not me i think that was Heather that did that because yeah she's always playing around with the guy stuff yeah yeah gosh what did you do yeah yeah if you guys are watching on youtube uh I'll throw it up on the screen but I will also put the link in the show notes so that if anyone's like what are you talking about you can see what we're talking about um where should where can people follow you to stay up to date with everything oh yeah um well Instagram I'm just Kara Ruta on Instagram and

careruda books on facebook and you know careruta.com for everything else so yeah i'm around i'm everywhere just yeah just yeah just careruda just google her um but yeah i would also put those links in the show notes and thanks for talking with me about unhappy jill i know poor jill i mean she's moderately happy right now because yeah restoring she likes the attention so she's that's a good point that's a good point well awesome hopefully hopefully we'll be talking about another book here in the future in February you have a new one coming out that's exciting yeah's coming up awesome well thank you and yeah that's all I got