Bookwild - Liann Zhang's Julie Chan is Dead: Estranged Twins, Toxic Influencers and a Wild Trip

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

This week, I got to talk with Liann Zhang about her incredibly voicey and suspenseful thriller Julie Chan is dead. We dive into the inspiration for the story, how her ability to write the environment of the Internet is linked to how she is chronically online (same), and her favorite backstories she created for some extra vapid influencers.Julie Chan is Dead SynopsisJulie Chan has nothing. Her twin sister has everything. Except a pulse.Julie Chan, a supermarket cashier with nothing to lose, finds herself thrust into the glamorous yet perilous world of her late twin sister, Chloe VanHuusen, a popular influencer. Separated at a young age, the identical twins were polar opposites and rarely spoke, except for one viral video that Chloe initiated (Finding My Long-Lost Twin And Buying Her A House #EMOTIONAL). When Julie discovers Chloe’s lifeless body under mysterious circumstances, she seizes the chance to live the life she’s always envied.Transforming into Chloe is easier than expected. Julie effortlessly adopts Chloe’s luxurious influencer life, complete with designer clothes, a meticulous skincare routine, and millions of adoring followers. However, Julie soon realizes that Chloe’s seemingly picture-perfect life was anything but.Haunted by Chloe’s untimely death and struggling to fit into the privileged influencer circle, Julie faces mounting challenges during a weeklong island retreat with Chloe’s exclusive group of influencer friends. As events spiral out of control, Julie uncovers the sinister forces that may have led to her sister’s demise and realizes she might be the next target. Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

This week I got to talk with Julie Zhang about her new influencer thriller, Julie Chan is dead. It is so fun. The book reads like you're reading a novel that takes place in internet. So if you are as chronically online as Leanne and I are, you're going to love the tone and aesthetic of this book. But here is the synopsis. Julie Chan has nothing. Her twin sister has everything. except to pulse. Julie Chan, a supermarket cashier with nothing to lose, finds herself thrust into the glamorous yet perilous world of her late twin sister, Chloe Van Houston, a popular influencer. Separated at a young age, the identical twins were polar opposites and rarely spoke, except for one

viral video that Chloe initiated, finding my long-lost twin and buying her a house, hashtag emotional. When Julie discovers Chloe's lifeless body under mysterious circumstances, she sees This is the chance to live the life she's always in need. Transforming into Chloe is easier than expected. Julie effortlessly adapts Chloe's luxurious influencer lifestyle, complete with designer clothes, a meticulous skincare routine, and millions of adoring followers. However, Julie soon realizes that Chloe's seemingly picture perfect life with anything but. Haunted by Chloe's untimely death and struggling to fit into the privileged influencer circle,

Julie faces mounting challenges during a week-long island retreat with Chloe's exclusive group of influencer friends. As events spiral out of control, Julie uncovers the sinister forces that may have led to her sister's demise and realizes she might be the next target. I devoured this book. It will be one of my favorites of 2025. It is so fun. It is so satirical. It gets absolutely bonkers at the end in some of my favorite ways. And I just will not forget about this book anytime soon. So that being said, let's hear from Leanne. I am so excited to talk about Julie Chan is dead, but I did want to get to know a little bit about you before we dive into the book. So did you have a moment when you were like, I want to write?

Did you have a moment when you like had a book idea? What was, what was that moment for you? Funnily enough, my first actual ever written book, I co-wrote one in the fifth grade with one of my friends. It was also like a mystery horror novel that aged like really poorly. But I guess that was my first foray. Like I guess it was always in me, but I didn't really realize that I wanted to do it until basically I kind of followed the timeline of a lot of people my age I feel where we read a lot when we were young. And then slowly in high school, you know, less because of screens.

And then at the end of high school and beginning of university, I got really into it again. And then at COVID, like a lot of people, I just had a lot of time in my hands. And I started writing Monday. And I was like, this is amazing. Like, imagine if I could do this, like, as a job. That would be fantastic. And then kind of went from there.

I just became, like, really committed to the idea and, like, very delusional about, like, this is what it is going to be for me. So, yeah. Yeah. It is cool. I've heard a few people. I feel like more this year. That's probably like kind of the same timeline for them, but it is cool how, I mean, COVID was not cool.

It's cool how like a lot of people did like tap into their creativity more just because you were able to basically. Yeah. Yeah. What does your writing process look like or what did it look like for this book? Yeah. Sorry. You just mentioned your dog and my cat. I don't know if you just heard.

Oh, I didn't hear him. Um, okay. Yeah. I mean, my process can very. very widely like I do actively try to sit down at my desk like day to day and like crunch out words but a lot of the times I hate to say it's like I end up procrastinating and then I do things are kind of related to writing but aren't actually writing like I'll like go back and edit another chapter and I'm not putting any new words in but for me it's very sporadic unfortunately like

Sometimes I'll be really inspired in the morning and I'll like get a lot done. And then sometimes a whole day drag and I write like 300 really bad words. I'm probably going to delete. And then suddenly at like 10 p.m. I'm like in bed and I'm like hit with inspiration. And then I'm like writing until 3 a.m. You know? Wow.

Yeah. That's cool. I have to follow the vibes in my heart. I feel like that. Yeah. You're like my writing style is vibes. I like that. Do you do anything to get to know your characters or do you kind of get to know them as you're writing them?

I get to know them as I'm writing them. I feel like that's something my writing group pointed out before because a lot of the times in the beginning, they're very, I mean, characters are usually a bit more nebulous and then their identity forms as time goes on. And I like learn more about them as I write. And then I go back and, you know, revise the beginning. But although I would say Julie Chan's a bit of an exception where like, her character was very obvious to me from the jump. And she, I think it's because she does borrow a lot from like how I interact with the internet. She's a bit like a very much meaner version of me.

But, you know, I think in that way. It's your inner thoughts. Yeah. I mean, I have to think the thoughts to write it down, you know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That was what I really loved.

about this book is I'm definitely chronically online and like you had so many really cool internet references and kind of what you were saying too she's really snarky like is a part of the character there's also like satire to all of this as well about influencer and internet culture um but then like some of it also felt to me like I was like the tone even felt like I was online in some ways. So how did you approach like creating that tone? Because I felt like the tone was so specific and I loved it. Thank you. I feel like the tone, I'm just such a chronically online individual, unfortunately, that I know the lingo. Like, I know how people talk online because I am one. And in that way, it does come out very naturally. And I also feel like part

of it is the other characters in the book, like the Belladonna's who you meet, the other like influencer group. A lot of the ways that they spoke, almost like this echolalia between them, it was meant to like mirror how you would feel when you like open up an Instagram comment section and everyone's just kind of echoing each other and we're like, you know, you know, in this space where everybody just is conforming to each other's thoughts. So I think that also might in a way kind of demonstrate that vibe and that tone. But overall, I think it just came out very naturally because Julie is an online citizen and she just talks and thinks like one, you know?

Yes, totally. Yeah. It's like my favorite. I love books with influencer culture in them. And then snarky and satire always worked for me. So it was just like everything together. I did see that you were briefly a skincare influencer. So what about your time doing that influenced your approach to this book? Yeah, I think it definitely gave me a very unique perspective beyond like the everyday minutia of what it's like to like be behind the scenes,

which did contribute to part of like the middle of the book when Julie is trying to be a regular influencer before things kind of go wild. but I was able to borrow a lot from my own feelings. Obviously, I was never to the degree of success as the Belladonna's where they're like millions and millions. I was very small. But I did get to see a lot of the behind the scenes, the dynamics between people and how they interact with each other. That played a lot into it, like the sense of like entitlement and privilege that exists,

especially within communities like the beauty community, to get started in those types of places, you kind of have to have things. Like, you have to have privilege. You can't just start a blog with like one face wash and like, you know, one blush, right? Like you need to own not necessarily an excess. Like I didn't own an excess when I started. If I owned like a decent skincare regimen for me to like post and to like review. And so with that comes a territory where a lot the people who are able to succeed already have a lot because you need to start with a lot to get to that point. And once I became part of those communities,

it was interesting to see, because for me, I was pretty young. I was a teenager, and most of them were like grown adult woman. And seeing them conduct themselves in a very like entitled privileged way in comparison to how they projected themselves on their feeds and their public facing persona was very stark and very interesting to me, especially because it would be like one click away. like the feed is right there they're perfect and then i click on to the DMs and i read through the group chats and then i'm like oh that isn't you like that's you know it's a separate entity um so in

that way that's kind of part of the inspiration there yeah totally that makes a lot of sense i i hadn't thought of that as much how much you kind of have to like own especially in beauty like there is so much you have to own to get started and then the people who are are doing like different makeup looks every day like I can't even imagine how much they have I hadn't really thought of it that way the other thing that I loved um was that when you introduced each new character you also basically gave their follower counts across multiple platforms like this was like the important stuff to know about these people and I thought it was such a cool kind of like aesthetic touch to the story did you think of that early on or how

did you like come up with that yeah i knew i had to have that because it's kind of um a thing that happens in these influencer communities where they judge your value based on how much followers you have so some people are like oh you only have 100 000 followers like why are you here like you know they feel like there's a certain threshold to success and to like mingle with one another like you know that is very important to that kind of community so yeah yeah yeah Yes. Yeah. The other part kind of like in related or to the theme of the internet and the pros and cons of it.

It's it was really funny. Like there's a line where she's like scrolling and just wanting to see something like funny. And basically like has a therapist pop into her feed. And she's like, I'm not looking to heal my inner child right now. Like scroll. But I felt like that was such a cool. It was a cool detail because. there are benefits. So there are tons of benefits to being online. And then there are like other times

where it's questionable if it's benefiting you or not. So and then you do that at scale in a lot of different ways. But how did just kind of how did you approach that theme? Yeah. In terms of that, I think it's very much a reflection about how I feel as individual online. I do have a very much love, hate relationship with the internet. It's kind of like a toxic relationship. I can acknowledge that there's a lot of bad things going on and it's probably impacting my mind in a negative way. My attention span, how I look and perceive others, like I can acknowledge this and I know this is fast. And yet like, you cannot tear it away from me, right? Like I wrote a whole book about it about how it's bad. And yet I'm going to go like 10 minutes after this. Look at my phone. So I do kind of acknowledge

that that's kind of the place Julie stands with it all. And I also do. do use internet as a COVID mechanism because it's just so easy to access these bite-sized, almost like candy bits of like happiness that you can kind of just feed on and hope, you know, to nourish you even though it really won't ever. And also it's like this book in itself is very centered around influencers, but outside the influencers sphere, I would even argue like some people will say like internet trainers that are not necessarily trying to sell you things, but are for some form mostly there to entertain or to teach or to like show you something without like you know just directly being a salesperson i think there's a lot of value in those types of people it's like a

it's kind of influencer adjacent but i feel like much more positive for my mind and yes yeah yeah no i totally get that or like it yeah it's not i know i know what you're talking about where it doesn't feel like they're trying to sell stuff or like maybe occasionally they have like a code for something but like mostly they're just entertaining um the other cool part about this story is obviously the twin element so there's they basically get separated um as children when their parents die and so we have one growing up, like very wealthy and one growing up in not wealthiness and like kind of a toxic environment. So how like what all did you want to do with that twin element? Because it kind of works in a lot of different ways in the book. Yeah. I think this, a lot of the theming and core messaging in

the book is this like aspect of like privilege and, you know, wealth and how that does contribute to social media and who becomes platformed successful there. So, with a twin aspect, I was really interested in exploring how technically these two characters start off the same. Like baseline, same family, same genetics, same look. They have so much that's the same. But then they get separated and one ends up very privileged and one doesn't have anything, which I think everyone can understand that really changes a person, especially for character like Julie, it's not just the fact that she doesn't have much, it's the fact that she has like an awful guardian that's like pretty abusive and toxic. It really does mess with someone's brain

and it's the question of like nature versus nurture. Like Julie herself doesn't find a lot of success, but like there's a question of is it just because she was forced into this awful environment that didn't allow her to succeed or was it like something else versus you know Chloe? It's like is her success so much attributed to what she has and this privilege that she has and all the connections she has access to or is it something else like i think it's very interesting and i did study psychology and there are like notable twin studies it's like very unethical because some of them purposely separated triplets and twins to study them it's awful awful in this psychologist in the past or some ethical yeah but you know there is like very fascinating studies and

Sometimes they end up quite similar and sometimes they are very different, you know, and I'm just very interested in exploring that. Yeah. And it kind of, when you were talking about that, it was also making me think to just about how much like luck is a part of some things as well, which kind of like, same thing in influencer or social media culture in general. Sometimes, sometimes your video knows really well and you have no clue why and then sometimes it doesn't. So it's kind of like. It's kind of. of all that like up in the air feeling a little bit um with the belladonna's which is like this like elite group essentially of influencers without giving too much away um what kind of inspired you to like make that kind of cult like group of influencers yeah i mean the cult social media inherently has a very cultish feeling especially Especially, I mean, just think about the languaging. It's like, oh, you're my follower.

Like, I'm following you. And, you know, there's almost this idolatary perception of this person that you're subscribed to or that you love and you feel a personal connection. And a lot of, you know, influencers call, like, their fans, their family or their friends. There's, like, this very close kindred nature to them. And they kind of promote this parisocial vibe, you know, for the sake of profit. So that itself was a very natural sense that came out. But also in the way, I personally felt like when I was a part of that community, there's a lot of like echo chamber talking. There's a lot of like encouraging each other, just saying things to like say things.

So you sound like you're agreeing. And like this like extreme form of support that's like at once very beautiful because you're like cheering. because you're like cheering each other on, but it's also very toxic. And you do see these like tribes of influencers to come together, you know? And I don't know. I don't want to say specific people, but you see it all the time with like friendships and influencers

where they're always echoing each other or what they say. And there's so much of this like dynamic where they want to stick close to people that like understand them in a way. And that kind of lends itself to that. aspect but um also in terms of the cult stuff i'm you know like a lot of people recognize now it's like a real thing like influencer cult are very very real there's like one documentary about it on Netflix but um yeah there's definitely it's not just the one you know it's like i wrote this book before that documentary thing now it's like there's there's mumblins you know so yeah yeah and all

those like content houses and stuff like it's wild the content houses also the fact that they're like all mostly children. It's like where are the parents? Yeah, they're not they don't feel like adults most of the time. Yeah. It is. It's strange. And it does it gets so it does get so echo chambery. And then that's where like sometimes you can just so clearly tell that the friendship is like staged or like or like they are they're meeting up for a very specific reason. It's not like they just happen to like come across each other. Yeah. So it is fascinating. Like you see that a lot on YouTube stuff too. Yeah.

And that like raw, raw positivity that's just like so surface level. I think that's like the kind of hidden toxic part of it is like you think you're supported but like it's just it's so surface level. It's like go get it, girl. Yeah, literally. And then they don't really stick it out when it really comes to it. You know, it's almost transactional a lot of these relationships, which in itself is kind of like depressing if you were to be one of those people.

I guess some of those people like thrive off those type of environment, you know. That's true. That's true. I do a little bit. You mentioned that you have a degree in psychology. I was going to ask about like in criminology. Did I see that as well? So how did like those two together kind of like help in shaping this book? Yeah. I feel like I've gotten this question a few times and it's always interesting because I look back on it and I never like purposefully include. of my education when I was writing. I feel like it wasn't a conscious thing, but I feel like now that I look back, you know, in hindsight,

I'm like, okay, there's definitely some, you know, subconscious learning that's being shown on the page. Like the topic of cults, I took a class on cults in my psychology class. And, you know, it's about the psychology of cult. Like, why do people choose to join cults? And a lot of the time it's just like feeling of isolation and loneliness and community, which in itself, like a lot of that themeing comes through in Julie Chan's like, you know, inner thoughts.

So in that way, I feel like I was influenced there. And also there's a lot of study on like conformity within populations and how we're willing to like shed parts of logic and ourselves to fit in with a larger crowd, especially if it's people that we admire. There's like a very famous study called like the Ash conformity studies, I think, where it was like all university level students male and they were smart individuals and they were given a really simple task of like a picture of like sticks and like one stick would be like longer than the others and you would have to answer like is a stick a longer than stick B without like people influencing

their opinion people answered almost 100% correct but as soon as I think the number was like six or more people told them the wrong answer even if the answer was so. obvious the people would end up answering with the group like they'd actively yeah i think they i don't remember the famous quote but it was something like you know like well-educationed people will like actively accept black as white in order to fit in with what other people are saying so i feel like that kind of theming also came through in the book subconsciously yeah well and you you if you're kind of like having an inner conversation with yourself or whatever, you can catch it happening to yourself, too, where you're like, oh, everyone is mad about this online. And then you're talking to someone

and they're like, I don't even know what you're talking about. But like, you saw it enough times that you're like, everyone is mad about this or everyone is excited about this. Like, it goes both ways. Yeah. Yeah. It's always so funny when I'm like talking to friends about something really online. And they're like, I don't know what you're talking about Leanne. And I'm like, that's embarrassing for me. I'm like so much more, especially on TikTok, than my husband is. And so every now and then I say something and he's like, what? Like, why did you just say that?

Why are you singing that? Just like all of that. Also, I can't really. I'm trying not to go near spoilers. but kind of her arc near the end like makes a lot of sense psychologically too. I don't know. I don't know if I can actually really say it without, without spoiling things. So I'm just going to cut myself off.

In that vein, it's like it gets difficult to distinguish what's reality on like multiple levels in the book. so she's taking over someone else's life. And then she's also having these kind of strange experiences with these influencers. And then social media itself makes it harder for us to like discern reality as well. So is that kind of intentional when you were writing it or did they did it kind of just like play out that way? It was intentional because, you know, we've talked about a little bit more of like the superficiality of social media earlier. it's definitely kind of like that and how like you never know like we see a lot of these people they like I don't want to say pretend to show much so much of their lives to us because sometimes

they are being very honest but at the end of the day we only see it's most of it and it's something that they have not manufactured but like purposely placed in front of us for us to consume for a reason they're always considering an audience and in that way it's like you can never really tell what's honest and what isn't honest. And in that way, like, without spoiling it, like you said, she kind of goes through that on like a meta scale. Like it's kind of social media.

It's like what it feels like to be in social media, but off social media. Like in the real world, you know? Totally. Yeah. And, you know, she comes to some interesting realizations that. Yes, she does. Yeah.

I don't know how much I can say, I know, I know. There's like, they're like huge parts that like I'm realizing like really like two thirds of it I really should not be talking about. I did. So mom advice on Instagram, Amy. I talked to her after she posted about interviewing you. And she said that you're also interested in other genres. So is there other genres you're wanting to write? I mean, I started out writing completely the opposite. I started out writing. well, excluding my fifth grade novel that also happened to be like a horror thriller for some reason. I guess it was like always in the stars that I was going to write that. It must be. Yeah, I wrote a lot of historical fiction, like very serious historical fiction, young adult

historical fiction that like takes place in like the Ming Dynasty. The voice is so different. Like it could not be any more different from Julie. Right. So in that way, sometimes I'm interested in dabbling back into that genre. Like I did have a thriller historical fiction thriller kind of in the vein of like taylor jenkins read um but not hollywood like said in hong kong kong like during the hong cinema golden age you know like the yeah like the wongkawai or like wongkawai multi-generation yeah um and there's like a thriller story there that i was working on before julie chan that um didn't pan out because i tend to be a panther and i was writing it was viving and i got to the end

And I was like, this is awful. Like, nobody would want to read this twist. It would get like one star bombs. Like, absolutely. I would be upset if I was a reader. Yeah, I would definitely like to return to it one day. And also maybe a little bit more dabbling in horror, you know? I just love when things get weird.

And I think horror is a natural vehicle toward weirdness. It is. There's some fun horror elements in Julie Ching. So I can only imagine what? what would be like to read like your version of pure horror. Is there something that draws you to kind of thriller and horror or writing those? I think like in terms of horror, I don't, I think my brain, I don't know if it's like mental illness or what, but like I'm always drawn to like weird things. Like whenever I read a book, like the weird or the better, to be honest, I like to feel like discombobulated and confused in a positive way.

where I'm like questioning life. And a lot of times you get that in horror. But in terms of thriller, I found writing thriller to be a lot more straightforward than writing other genres because it's so plot-based. And there's this like forward momentum that's so fun to write,

especially if I like, you know, I'm panting my way through it and I'm like discovering these revolutions as they come. I always have like an image of how I want the story to end, but sometimes a journey to get there. The characters take their own initiative, you know? And I think thriller is one of those things that kind of naturally lends itself to like twist and turns. And it's very, very fun to write. Yeah.

Yeah. That's how I would feel about reading it, where I just feel like you're like, you're feeling like pulled to the end of it because you're like, what is going to happen? Yeah. To these people. Yeah. The other thing, and it's like very clear on the cover too, is Julie's also like very different than all of the blonde blue or blonde-haired blue-eyed white influencers. And so there's also like that cultural difference for her as well. But what I even kind of notice like when you're introducing all of them, because you do meet a lot of influencers, whether they're like main main characters or not.

It was even hard for me to keep track of like which one was which because they're all like that. So my brain's like how many blonde faces can I come up with? But it also reminded me of when I first started watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And I was like, it took me like three episodes to be able to keep them straight. So what was it like kind of like showing like those differences as well? It's so interesting because before I had like even more. as I cut down. I kind of, without saying too much, there's like some dinner table scenes.

And like I was, you know, it's a very famous for Last Supper type of. I wanted that imagery because that's kind of, you know, there is like an aspect to it with like a main person. Like, you know, but without getting too much into it, I had to cut some because like, that's like too many. And right now I have 10 because it's like a nice brown, nice number that I'm like upstance with. But, you know, at the time, like, one of my editors even asked, like, do we want to cut down on them? Because it is, like, a real thing where you can't, like, focus entirely on all the 10 characters, right? And I did pick and choose specific ones that get a bit more development. But it's something that Julie does, like, navigate herself internally.

Like, I admit, like, she mentions that, like, oh, my God, there's so many of them. Like, I don't know how to keep track. Like, I don't know who these people are. like and then sometimes she's like oh i feel like they're all the same but in that way it kind of also does lend itself to that kind of culty vibe where like eventually their faces start like morphing and it's like who is speaking to me like this person or this person or is it all at one yeah and they kind of become like a single entity ish in some parts of the book that was saying too much and um i kind of like that feeling of like this like big you know number of people just like becoming one and like

forming into a singular feeling i think that's like super fun um and also it's just like with influencers there's so many different niches that's like i want to touch upon a little bit of each of them you know um so that was also a vehicle that i could do that with that's what i was going to ask about too like how fun it was crafting their backstories because some of of their backstories are like just one in particular where I was like that is just messed up so like I'm sure you had so much fun coming up with all their backstories then too yeah some of them are you know I don't want to say inspired by real people but like right some of them it is there it's like it's art and it's being life yeah yeah I loved it I'm having to just shut my mouth though

before. I keep saying more spoilers about what I loved. Do you read while you're writing as well? And have you read anything recently that you've loved? I always read while I'm writing. It's like at night, I need to read a little bit. I feel like the day isn't over unless I'm like dead tired and I literally my eyes are like this and I just can't even everything's blurry. I can't end the day without a little bit. I force myself to read like at least 10 minutes if I can't do more. But in terms of something I read recently, oh my gosh, I know one of my most recent, I mean, I finished a new hunger games. Yeah, I bet that. Right now I'm reading another 25 debut author. It's called Serial Killer Support Group by Saratoga Schaefer. Yeah, it's about, you know,

a girl whose sister gets killed by serial killer and then she infiltrates the support group to, like, buying the killer um that's cool i'm about halfway and it's very good so far um and yeah there's just so many great books out there these days like especially now i'm getting to know other authors i'm like there's so much to read so much greatness that's how i feel my net galley shelf just keeps getting bigger and bigger yeah it gets a little daunting at times i'm like oh my gosh it does i'm like i know I need to scroll TikTok and I need to read today. Exactly. Probably work at some point too.

Well, obviously I loved it. There is more I would ask you, but I don't want to give spoilers. So maybe I'll say something off air. But where can people follow you to stay up today with everything? I'm on like basically every social. Actually, that's a lie. I'm not on like the new Twitter copies. I'm not on those.

But I'm not like Instagram, TikTok. as the Leanne Z, or Z. So you can find me there. Also the website where you can pre-order or order the book wherever you have books available. Get it from the library. I don't know. Yeah.

Libby. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, well, I will add those to the show notes so people can find that. And then thanks for talking with me about it. Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's so much fun. Yeah.