Bookwild - Our Favorite Genres Part Two

Episode Date: October 27, 2022

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Hey guys, welcome to the Killing the Tea podcast. This is Gare and Kate. And we are going to be discussing all things, chills, thrills, and kills. Kate and I are going to be talking about our favorite books, TV shows and movies that are in the thriller or crime fiction genre, as well as some reading habits and other items related to how we met on Bookstagram that will fit in with this podcast. So, Thank you so much for joining us, and we hope that you have fun and get totally terrified. So, Kate, great. What do I like the most? Yeah. What's your jam? We have a lot in common, but there's also, like, a lot that you enjoy that doesn't always hit the spot for me. So I'm very curious on, like, what the perfect thriller is for you.

I know. Don't go, don't. No pressure. But as I was looking through, I was like, what are the ones that do like stick in my head the most? Like maybe that was what I could use as my, I don't know, my way to differentiate my favorite. I do love when there is satire going on and it's also or speculative fiction. And it's, but it's still a really good thriller. So like Kismet that I've brought up multiple times.

Like I do love that. And that's also why sometimes I love sci-fi. So that's like something different that I do enjoy is sci-fi thrillers. And it's often because there's like typically some social commentary like baked into a lot of them. So I think that's why I like those. And then I do like spy thrillers every now and then. You are an adventurous woman. I am so adventurous.

from my couch. I'm not taking any risks, but my Kendall does all of it. It does all of it for me. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. So it's not even like I read a ton of them,

but every time I read a good one, a spy thriller, I'm always like, man, that was just so fun. That's how I always feel at the end of it. So I definitely read those. But then like everything you said,

sometimes I love a book and I forget that like technically there even was a serial killer aspect to it because like it didn't seem like the most obvious thing. And then I started paying attention to it. And I realized how many books have serial killers in them. And I've been acting like, I don't know. Like it's not the main thing I read. It is. It is. I love. So yeah. I love. I love things about serial killers. But I love. I love how many times I can say love and one. You're getting there. You really love it.

I do. I love it. But I also, I think that it leaves open a lot for an author to play with. Like, I don't know if you've read the book Find Her by Lisa Gardner. Oh, maybe I have. I don't know. It plays on that stereotype of your serial killer being like the deranged trucker. Oh, okay, okay.

But the story is basically about a woman who is held captive by the serial killer trucker for like 472 days, I believe. Wow. You're right. That is a great memory. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Nice. And she, like, it's just flashbacks of what it was like in captivity with him for the.

that duration and also what her life is like after. Nice. And she's kind of like wrapped up in possibly related to a current murder. And so this detective, because it's the D.D. Warren series, but like you can read this as a standalone. You can read this as a standalone and continue from there. That's what I've done. But they wonder if like maybe.

all of the angst and the trauma, like, turned her into, like, a vigilante. Oh, I love that. So there are a freaking ton of elements and, like, a lot of layers to that story. Yeah. But it is so good because you get that aspect from the serial killer. Well, not ask, but, like, not his, like, point of view or anything, but, like, you get, like, what traumatized her so much, but it's more about, like, her character journey, what she's been through and like what she's kind of what the rest of her life is going to be like basically

nice so i love really you know how you can do things like that um but then i also like your kind of more stories that can you know feature a serial killer as a plot device like jar of hearts yeah yeah like i'm sorry nothing against it but like i will question people people's taste in books if you read JAR of Hearts and you're not like that was like that was not one of the best things I've ever read because that book is so goddamn good. Yeah. Like it's all the criteria that I love. That's what I was going to say.

Yeah. I was like. Yeah. It's so good. And it's one of those books that like I, my jaw dropped a lot during that one. a lot. Have you read it? I haven't read it. You haven't read JARC? I haven't read it. Did you read? I mean, it's my favorite Jennifer Hillier, but like I just think that her writing gets stronger with each book. So it's not like nothing against it. Her books after Jar of Hearts have all been incredible

as well. Yeah. But it's just it holds such a special place in my heart because I know. I know you've mentioned it. There's so many elements to it. I didn't really hear about it in 2018 for some reason. You'll- But I've had it on my list because I know you love it. Yeah. I think you would be, I think you'd be blowing up my phone a lot during that one and being like,

holy shit, I can't believe this just happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That one. I'm adding it. Please see us by Caitlin Mullen. Yeah.

You've mentioned that one and I have that on my list now, too. The thing I love about that one is obviously like spoiler free, but I don't want people to panic and like hit the pause. Right. Right. The one that I love about that is that she writes these like chapters called the Jains and it gives you a look into what the victims were like not just like being like, oh, here's Jessica. Like she was, you know, victim number one. Here's like Pamela. She was victim number two. Like you know what their lives were actually like. And it doesn't focus. much on the serial killer. Like, you know, obviously when people read it, like, they'll find out. But, like, it focuses on his victims and, like, their families and stuff like that. Kind of, like, notes on an execution, but not as, like, in-depth. And that one is perfect for fall because it is so spooky and scary and just fantastic.

I know. I have so many that I need to read that are, like, ones that you. you have read in the past years that I have it. And then I like also need to book podcast guests. So I'm always torn. Yeah. Yeah. I want to try to get you into. We do this one. I can. That was the nice thing. Like it used to be. I was always trying to focus on that. But I want to get you into Lars Kepler. That's what I want to do. I had read. I know. I added those last week. And then you had me going down a Nordic noir rabbit hole because I was looking it up that week. So that's probably why I was very excited to say it at the beginning of the podcast.

Yeah, I always recommend for you, for everybody. Lars Kepler, I recommend starting off with the Sandman, which is the fourth book and going from there. Because you like will get more character development. And there's also like kind of like things mentioned for. previous stories. So if you pick it up on like the Sandman, which is book number four, then and you go from there, I don't think that you'll be disappointed. I don't think anybody will be disappointed because they're yeah. Fantastic. Fantastic. I do have that one on my list. And there's something else. I'm curious which one you read. Maybe I haven't. I thought I had.

I don't know. I don't see that I did. I thought I did. I'm wrong. Maybe it was another Nordicola. Or it was just on like my TBR forever and I just didn't read it. Perhaps. Perhaps. It could be that. Because his name sounded familiar. That's what made me think I'd read one. Yeah. Yeah. It's a writing duo. Oh. Lars Kepler is a writing duo and I love their story. They wrote children's books together. what? But they were arguing a lot.

I don't want to say arguing a lot, whatever. They were like not, yeah, they were disagreeing. And like, not like communicating the best or whatever the case may be, writing children's book. And now they started writing like super dark crime fiction together and like said that they like barely like have a disagreement. So I just like, I love that they were. trying to write children's books together and like couldn't see eye to eye and then now they're writing like super dark twisty serial killer books and like okay like now we like you know are getting along fantastically and they're so good. I love that. That's really cool. I think you will love it

because atmospheric. You said stalker the next one was really, really good. That was the other one you told me about. Yes. Yes. So, but the thing is, is like some things that happen in like the Sandman might be referenced in like a next book. So that's why I always say like start with Sandman, go on from there. Stocker is like, it kind of reminds me. Did you read The Chestnut Man? No, but you told me about that one too. That one's really good. But Stocker is so freaking scary because it's about like the police force in Sweden getting a video of a woman like from the stalker. Like the stalker is taking a video of her while they're stalking her. And before they can find out who she is, they find her murdered.

And then like when they find her murdered and they're like, obviously we need to investigate this homicide, they get like a video of another woman. So it's kind of that like, oh my God, like we need to find out who she is before, you know, is attacked. So yeah, it's super. That's like one of my, like, I don't want to say my biggest fears because like, I don't think anybody wants to stock me because I'm like boring as shit. But that's like one of like the scariest things to me is like being watched when you

don't know it. Like being in like kind of like the watcher, like the movie. Yeah, that's what it was making me think of. Yeah. Like that thing of being in the grocery store and not knowing somebody's watching you or You know, like they, there's like some like statistic that's like all over like TikTok or Twitter or some shit like that. And it's like in your lifetime you walk by like five or ten serial killers just like passing them on the street. And I'm like.

Oh my God. Obviously my little like thriller loving heart is just kind of like I wonder if I was like, oh, that person's a creep or like they're giving me serial killer vibes. because I also like love kind of that thing too of like Brett Easton Ellis's like American Psycho, you know, where like in comparison to find her by Lisa Gardner where the serial killer is that stereotype of a deranged trucker or like a creepy janitor or some shit like that, you have American Psycho where the serial killer is like young, attractive. handsome, beautiful man who works on Wall Street. Like it's like almost like finding out your dream man is a monster. Kind of like how I felt with Army Hammer. Oh my gosh. Have you seen the doc about House of Hammer?

I haven't. I don't have Discovery Plus. Oh, okay. I thought it was on Amazon for some reason. It very well could be. I keep seeing ads for it on Discovery Plus. I had a trial for Discovery Plus. Plus because another thing I'm obsessed with is how to catch a predator.

Oh, yeah. Or certain things like that. And there is a docu series on Discovery Plus. I don't remember the name of it. But it's about this like, well, it's this woman. She looks a lot younger, but she has a team of people that work with her and they like help her like, with makeup and filtering her pictures and stuff to look like underage girls and she tries to lure men to like catch them and but I mean it's like a team like she has people like they have boards

for like all of the characters that she plays she has like people that help her with her outfits her like posts and stuff and she like tries to bring down these men who are actively trying to have relations with teenage girls. That is crazy. I think she's like, I don't want to, I don't want to say how old. I think she is. I don't want to say how old she is because I don't know for sure, but I want to say she's 30-ish, maybe older because I think she has a daughter of her own

as well or children. But they like with makeup and everything make her look at times like she's 14. And she can play. is crazy. That's really cool though. I want to talk to her. So right, right? Like, good for you. I'm absolutely like obsessed with you doing this because I used to love how to catch a predator because there's something oddly comforting. As much as you're like, that's disgusting that these people feel that way or have whatever reasoning they think in their mind makes sense for them to, for it to be okay for them to do things like this. Yeah. It's so

satisfactory to see a show like that. Yeah. And know that there's one less disgusting monster like that off the streets. Right. You know what I mean? Can't catch them. Yeah, I agree. And so. He's always so sad because they typically were abused themselves. That's like the saddest part of it. Yeah. Yeah. That is sad when it's that, when it's like most of the time is the reason you think it's okay, I guess, is what Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. There's also like the people that are like, well, this happened to me and I survived. So if it happens to somebody else from me, then you know what I mean? Like they're the people that kind of have that like I was abused. I don't know any better. Then they're the kind of people that are like somebody ruined my life with this. So like I think it's okay for me to ruin somebody else's life. I know. I know. It's messed up. It's literally the worst thing. Yeah. Yeah. But that show is very good. I just can't think of the name of it. I'll figure it out. But it's on Discovery Plus, and that is my, that is my jam.

That was, I mean, I stayed up way too late, just not a care in the world, just binging the shit out of it because it was so good. That's awesome. I need to look like that. Yeah. So I love serial killer thrillers, and I love watching people in trap and catch. child predators. Yeah.

And I'm also on a Colleen Hoover kick. So I'm really like a well-rounded individual. You're very well-rounded right now. I was going to bring that up earlier. I was like, but then also Colleen Hoover. Yeah, Colleen Hoover.

I wouldn't. I would have expected it because I just love the last time I found an author like this who I like wanted to collect all of their books. I wanted to binge read all of them was Karen Slaughter, and I never regretted that. So now that I'm doing it with Colleen Hoover, like I said, like, I think I mentioned this like in a previous episode, but like, I'm sure you feel this way too, especially with reading some sci-fi and some like spy thrillers where it's like action-packed.

Sometimes it's a good palette cleanser if you read really dark stuff. I agree. You know, so like you might read like mission and pop. possible like, you know, stuff like that. I don't know. I don't know what a spy thriller is, but like action-packed, like you're excited, you're pumped, like, we're gonna save the world. Or you might read like some sci-fi and be like, ooh, that was really like thought-provoking and cool. And then I am going to read a Colleen Hoover book about like twisted romance or really, you know what else I've been collecting a lot of is queer romance, little like

neat cutts. If it's a cartoon cover of two men, you're sold. Wanting to fall in love, I'm like, add to cart. Yeah. Are you excited for that Billy Eichner movie? I can't think of what it's called. Bros. Bros. Yeah. Yeah. It looks good. And it's getting really good reviews. I love Billy Eichler. He cracks my shit up. I do too. And I also love because I know there are probably people out there that are going to bring this up. now that we've talked about it. But I love how he handled his kind of like little flub with what he said about, like, streaming. Yeah.

Queer movies or, yeah. Yeah. Queer romances or whatever. Yeah, I can remember exactly what it was. Yeah. But, like, I love how he handled that and how, like, his apology wasn't just like, oh, I didn't mean to hurt anybody. It was like, listen, like, I love these movies.

Like, I, you know, watch them as well. I meant nothing about trying to bring other people down by being proud of what I've made. And like that, right. You know, and like, it's still an accomplishment. Yeah. Yeah. And the people that from what I've seen, like the people like that were in and created some of the movies that people were thinking that he was dissing seemed to accept the

apology as well and realize that like, I think there was somebody. And I can't remember his name. And I could be wrong. I could have just like, you know, been like. click bait or whatever. But I think like somebody was like I know like I know him personally and I don't like I never thought that he was trying to diss anybody with that statement. Right.

So yeah, I'm really excited. He probably thinks a lot of those movies deserved to not be on streaming. That's even probably some of his point like that it could have been a theater release. And then because of it being like what is the word I can't think of right now? marginalized they didn't get to be theater releases. Yeah, I think that was his intention. Like, listen, like, growing up, you know, in high school, college, like, up until the past, honestly, a few years, there were a lot of only streaming movies or be rated, like, no

budget whatsoever, like, queer comedies and queer romances. Like, yeah. There, you know, and there's a series called, like, E. eating out and it's like kind of like the gay version of American Pie and like those movies were corny as hell but like that's what you if you wanted to watch something that was like queer romance or queer comedy or anything like that that's like what you were stuck with because right there weren't a lot of LGBTQ movies being released in the movie theater you know yeah and so I mean that's something it was mooned

was the was not what's the word I'm looking for shocking to some people when that came out and that was recently and like call me by your name yes yep yeah and so but you know what the thing is too

is like nothing against it but you can see why call me by your name and moonlight were made even though they were queer movies is because of you know the plot and things but it's just kind of nice to also have something like bros coming out because it is it's also nice to have like those comedies that aren't like super deep or artsy or anything like that that you can kind of like laugh

and you know have fun with um i love i mean obviously it's a show so it's streaming but like the reboot of queer as folk is phenomenal it is so good i love that so much and And I cried. Oh, mom. So that says a lot because I'm not like a big cryer. Tyler and I watched. He didn't see where the crawdad sing with me in theaters. And so we watched it last night.

And I couldn't begin. Did you? The second time I watched it. I have things I always cry during. I always cry during. I feel like sometimes like if something happens in my life, I'm really good at not crying during that. me too but if I see those

freaking ASPCA commercials with Sarah McLaughlin singing like I will buy my eyes out or me too I cry every time I watch call me by your name there's one episode of queer as folk the newest one that I will always cry during sometimes

it's an actor or an actresses performance for me that really just you can't help it no I can't help bit. Yeah. Because they're doing such a good job of like making you like them or like what's best for them. Yeah. And then you're you're having a hard time like departmentalizing that this is a fictional character of that an actor or an actress that you love is playing. Yeah. I agree. I'm known for crying in movies and TV shows. So I love a good song. That makes me cry.

Yeah. Songs don't make me cry. I mean, I'm sure there are some that would, but I really only listen to rap. I usually do, too. I usually do to rap, but there are some R&B song because I love rap, yeah, R&B. Like, for some reason, I think the song Fair by Normani is, like, one of the saddest songs in the world when you, like, pay attention to the lyrics. Yeah, yeah. And I also like, I think that's like my favorite song released in like 20, 22.

I'm not even joking. I listen to it way too much. Yeah. And Taylor Swift. Yeah. People say whatever they want to. I'm not talking about Tim McGrath. I'm not talking about the songs when she was 15.

Right. Nothing against it. I'm talking about like the folklore evermore kind of. stuff that she did. Like that cardigan song is so good. That one could make her song called Cowboy Like Me. Uh-huh. I don't know that one.

Oh my God. You'll cry. Well, if you want a good cry, remember that song. I'll schedule it when I need one. Yeah. Yeah. When you want a good cry, that's a good, that's a good song to cry too. I get that.

I get that. Yeah. that used to be like back in my drinking that like back in my like drinking nights like I'd go out and have like a good time with my friends then I'd get home and I'd continue to drink but I would play like the saddest shit and just like call my eyes out on purpose because like crying is therapeutic yeah crying is definitely therapeutic but like you know what else gray's anatomy oh yeah I cried that one a lot I stopped for a while around I think season 30 like I actually just looked it up a few days.

ago to see what if I wanted to pick up Gray's Anatomy again like where would I have to start off and I think it's like season 13 or 14 yeah but I cried every episode of Grey's Anatomy whether it was like the main cast or the patient yeah just all the time you did you ever see Wanda vision I didn't everybody said it was so good but I have not very unique took me a long time to get to because I was just like, I don't know. And I cried like a baby through the whole entire last episode. Tyler was gone and I was just like, you're like, the dogs were like sniffing my face to see if I was okay.

It really, it examined grief and it, oh, it was so heavy. So heavy. But it was good. Do you have to watch any of the Marvel movies to get Wanda Vision? No. Okay. Then maybe I'll give a shot. It's very much its own thing. And each, it's really cool. Each episode is in the style of a sitcom from a different decade. And so it starts in black and white in like the 40s or 50s. And then

there's one in the 60s and the 70s, 80s, 90s. And so it also plays on TV tropes. And it's kind of fun. Okay. I could be in that. I cried at the last, the last, the last, season finale of you. The third season? I'm trying to remember what happened in that one, but I'm sure I might have. Right. Some version of that. I'm just trying to remember

which season is which. If you're caught up. Yeah, no, I am. Yeah. The end of that one was just really got me. I don't know. I've cried watching housewives too though.

Like when someone is genuinely going through pain, like pain, like a parent died. I've cried before. I was not laughing. I was trying to stifle a cough. That's good. Just to let you know. No, when you said housewives at first, I was like, what? But when Vicky found out that her mom died.

That's exactly what I was thinking about. I, yeah, I definitely cried during that. I felt so bad for her. That was so hard. Yeah. Well, you know, the thing is, too, is that when people are housewives on the show, like, they do introduce their family. So when things like tragedies like that happen, even if it's somebody who like, you know, they have that mentality of like they were 90. They had a like long life, you know, a long life.

It's just watching somebody else grieve in a way that, yeah, especially for her to find out on camera. Like, that was just really hard to watch. That was like one of the rawest moments. I think I've seen on. reality TV. Like it was, she was screaming like, she was on the floor. Yeah.

Yeah. It was so sad. I felt so bad for her. Yeah. Because she kept saying like, what, what am I going to do? I don't have, I don't have a mom. I don't have a mom. And I was just like, oh my gosh.

Yeah. I was heavy. Yeah. That was really heavy. That was, geez. What happened? I know. How did we go from laughing and giggling?

like children about serial killers and now we're like serial killers and subway and then we're like ha ha ha this is the most fun ever and then we're talking about the real houseways of orange county and gicki gunwelson and now like i'm like all right well i'm gonna call my mom i'm gonna schedule us some group therapy for couples therapy for kate the great and i just going through the emotions of how the real housewives can make us cry but serial killer thrillers don't really bother us that much. No. I cried a lot with Teresa Judey's too. Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't always agree with her. I don't always like her. I mean, she's entertaining. I mean, I don't always agree with her, but like at the end, I'm so like, well, I like her more than some of the rest of them. So I know.

I cried more for kids. That was like, yes, that was hard. That was really hard. Mm-hmm. So yeah, you know, crying. We're just healthy. We just experience a range of emotion. I was just going to say I don't remember the last time I cried. I was last night when I watched where the crawded sing. Very recently. Maybe I'll have to, I'll have to watch it. I can't find my book. I think my mother took it.

Which is very interesting because, speaking of memories, she wanted, my mother wanted to go see where the crowd ads sing. And I was like, I don't know, like, let me know. when you want to watch it because I want to read the book first. Yeah. And she went with her friends to the movie theater. And she was like, fuck you. I'm not waiting for you to read the book. Like I'm going to the movies.

She wanted to see it there. While she was watching where the Coddads thing, that's when I got the amazing Chinese food because I was at home reading look closer. So that's good then. So it's kind of like evens out. But she wanted to read the book after. And I was like, you're supposed to read the book before. And she was like, well, I want to read it. So she really enjoyed it.

So I'll definitely have a partner in crime. Yeah. But she tried to like say something about the ending. And I was like, don't. Because I haven't read it. I haven't watched it. Yeah. I want to know.

But I just get in such like weird moods. You know what I mean? Like I'm like, oh, I want romance. Oh, I want like drama. And then I want like I life was so much. I mean, I'm thankful that I've read so many books that I love in different genres. Yeah, yeah. Life was so much easier when all I read was thrillers.

I know. I'm sure. That's mostly what I read. Oh, my God. And then, like, I'm like. I wish I liked more, I guess. But also I have so many books to read anyway. I love, this is how I used to feel about thrillers as when you had the, I mean, even like a thriller,

I would compare them to like slasher movies sometimes. like but when you have these characters that survive something really horrible, even if the ending is like relatively happy, you still have that character that like endured something really traumatizing. And I'm always curious about their life after in the same way that they kind of rebooted the Halloween movies where they show what Jamie Lee Curtis is like 40 years down the line. Yeah. And how that affected her.

Like that's how I feel about thriller. So like when I finish a thriller, I'm like, oh, that was so. good. I loved the ending or whatever the case may be, but like, I want to know how like messed up they are down the line. Yeah. But now I'm doing the same thing with romances or other things where I'm like, okay, like, yeah, they ended up together in the end. Great. But I want to know what their marriage is like yeah, 20 years down the line. Like I want to know if they're like still lovey-dovey, like super thankful for one another or they're like waking up like being like you son of a bitch you forgot to put the clothes in the dryer oh my gosh well you can still love someone to feel that way too

oh yeah but like you know how like I mean in rom-cons it's kind of like oh like even if he does this like I still think he's perfect and I love him and it's worth it because like my last boyfriend was a dirt bag or whatever but then like I want to know like do you go from that 10 or 20 years into this relationship and like, wake up and be like, oh, Stephen, you forgot to put the laundry in the dryer again. Yeah. He's so quirky. Yeah. Or he always does that.

Or are you like, I'm sick of this shit if you keep doing it. Like, throwing it out of the window. I'm throwing you out. I think that's a good point. It's also another reason that you would like where the crowd adds in. Kate. Oh my God, your bangs just got shinier. It's for the whole life.

I know, my halo. It is going to be my bedtime in a few hours. And you want me to read Brian Freeman and watch where the Croddads sing. Yes. Just ruin your sleep. You'll be fine. I kind of did that last night. I stayed up way too late.

I stayed up way too late last night. I actually just had bad sleep. Were you on TikTok? I was on TikTok. but I was also reading, but then, like, I would pause my reading to look on TikTok. And then I'd be like, okay, get off TikTok and start reading, like continue to read or whatever. Yeah. And then I just, you know, lost track of time and was like, okay, I should go to bed now.

Then I went to bed and I was like thinking about, you know, what I wanted to talk about. today on the podcast, how my workday was going to go. If I could like wrap up what I was reading in time to start something new. It was just a lot. I get that. Sometimes my mind does not shut off because like I'm like if I didn't have to work tomorrow, I could stay up until five o'clock in the morning reading and doing all this stuff. And then the weekend comes and I'm like, it's 11 o'clock on a Friday. I need to go to bed. Who am I? I have that. I have that too sometimes where I'm thinking about so many things that I want to do that then I can't even make the decision and then I'll start reading and my head's thinking about too many things because I happen super often for me,

but it did happen to me last week. And I was like, I don't like feeling this way. I need to meditate if I'm having that problem. I need to try meditating or yoga or something. I just find that I'm like, I want to accomplish so much. And like I'm like in my bed and it's like 1230 and I know I have to work in the morning but like oh my god I want to do this and I want to do that and like wouldn't this be fun and I've just been so OCD about trying to keep my life organized and like experimenting my creative whatever with like books to Graham and like enjoying books that I'm reading and all of these other things that I like have my hand And what is that expression?

Like all of the pokers in the fire or something, but whatever. Yeah, there's also that. But I want to like enjoy all of that. So I'm like laying in bed. I'm like, I don't want to go to sleep right now. I want to do like, B, B and C, you know? Mm-hmm. Sometimes I like put off taking my pills because they mean I'm going to fall asleep.

And I'm like, what I need to fall asleep. I wish. I wish I had pills that worked for me. Yeah. I will. I use like magnesium. Oh, really? I do like NyQuil, Tylenol PM. Like, it does not knock me out. If I don't have it for a while, like, if I touch Tylen LPM or NyQuil right now, it would probably work pretty well. I would feel like shit tomorrow and be groggy all like tomorrow. But if I took it again like a week from now, it wouldn't do anything for me. Yeah. That sucks. that your tolerance goes up that fast. Yeah.

So. I have that and my antidepressant knocks me out. That's why I have to take it at night. Yeah. So I have both of those. And then I'm asleep. Like a little angel. Yeah.

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