Bookwild - Our Favorite Voices In Thrillers

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

This week, we talk about our favorite voices in thrillers!Follow us on Instagram:Gare @gareindeedreadsKate @thegirlwiththecookonthecouchBooks We Talked AboutIt Takes MonstersKill For LoveBlood SugarLuckiest Girl AliveThe Kind Worth KillingGone GirlStrange Sally DiamondTell Me Everything  Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

And we are going to be discussing all things, chills, thrills, and kills. Kate and I are going to be talking about our favorite books, TV shows and movies that are in the thriller or crime fiction genre, as well as some reading habits and other items related to how we met on Bookstagram that will fit in with this podcast. So thank you so much for joining us. And we hope that you have fun and get totally terrified. So I have an icebreaker this week. Oh my God, I'm so pumped. And flies everywhere. So if anyone's watching YouTube and sees me swatting at the air, I haven't completely lost it yet. So it's just the flies. Not yet.

So there's a TikTok trend right now that you might know about, but I don't think we've talked about it. Where girls who are dating guys, so like heterosexual males, basically. I don't know if it's true for all males. They ask them, I don't know how it started, but they asked them how often they think of the Roman Empire. And like a lot of guys think about the Roman Empire a lot. And so it has been like sweeping TikTok. And now they're all these jokes about what your Roman Empire is as in something that you think about maybe way too often. So what is your Roman Empire? Oh, my God. That's so good.

I have seen those TikToks, and I'm just like, I don't even know what the Roman Empire is. Right. I'm like, that's so weird. I don't know much about it. What is my Roman Empire? Like, what do I think about often, more often than I should? Yeah. Or more often than people would think.

More often than people would think. I think my Roman empire right now is like kind of. of related to books and we've talked about like hyper fixating like on meals and and stuff like that. My Roman Empire right now is that I will find something like for instance, I'm getting a lot of like football-ish TikToks on my feet. I have no idea why. But so then my Roman Empire would be like I want to read a bunch of like, football male male romances. Nice. I order them and then when they come,

I'm already on to something else. Like I might want like fraternity or like campus setting. So like my Roman Empire is just building like a mini TBR of like a specific trope in male male romances, buying them and then moving on to another one before I have a chance to read any of them. And that's why your bookshelf keeps getting heavier and heavier. And that's why my bookshelf is insane. that's a good one that's a good one i thought you might say something about mammal romance and then i was

like maybe it'll be about student teacher relationships so there's also that niche that you get into every now and then there there is there is and um i'm like very into the professor college student ones, like beyond. But I think there's like anything with a campus setting really like makes me more intrigued than any others because I commuted to college. So like I did not have like the dorm experience or like living on campus. So I had commuted. So like I didn't have a chance to like, thankfully because Lord knows where I'd be. But like I didn't have a chance to like sleep with every person in college that I wanted to. Yeah. That makes sense.

So I do get like fixated on that. And I also think professional athletes are just very tall and sexy. So like maybe that's my. True. That's a good point there. Yeah. What's the what's the one that they're asking women? I think they just ask them what is their Roman empire. I don't know if they've been asking, if there's like an official one to ask women yet. I thought I saw one that was like, What is like your, and it was like this. Like, oh, maybe Salem witch trials. That could, that would count.

So what's your Roman Empire? Mine is definitely the Erez tour and the insane amount of knowledge I accumulated about Taylor Swift in like the last six months. Like, yeah. I wanted to try and think of something else. I was like, if I'm being honest, that would be like the thing I, I spend, I have spent a lot, like way too much time thinking about this year. That would track. That would track.

That makes sense to me. Because I was like very surprised with how like into it you were and like your theories and stuff. Me too. But I also was like enjoying being along on the journey with you and watching you experience that journey. So I was like, hmm. Is it my sister-in-law now? Like, anytime she has a question, she's like, maybe Kate knows about it. So she's because she's like getting obsessed too.

But she's like more on Instagram. So it like hit her a little bit later. So now she just asked me all the questions that she has. And typically I have a lot of answers. I've consumed a lot of swift talk. I think celebrity gossip is mine too. Yeah, I mean, I do like kind of all of it. Like, especially like reality TV, like all of this stuff with like Shannon Bador.

I know. It is so weird to me because like I have been caught up with the Real Housewives of Orange County. Mm-hmm. So the fact that there's this argument right now between her and Gina in which Shannon had allegedly said like your children almost got taken from you from CPS or they could have because of your D-UI and then she gets one. I'm like, oh my God. Karma with a capital. Oh my God. I mean, listen. And if you read the reports that like she was so drunk that she got out of her car and started pretending that she was just walking her dog and that it wasn't even her car.

I'm like, how drunk do you have to be to be like, I'll just start walking the dog? No one will know. There have been, listen, like back in my like fun days when I was like more extroverted and I did. enjoy some cocktails. There were definitely times where I had like driven and I should not have. However, I just don't think that I ever would have thought to, well, I never crashed. You know, it was just one of those things where you worried about. Like, you were like, if I got crashed into a whole ass house. But like, I never like didn't remember driving or crashed into a house or had like any accident. Yeah. But I don't think that I like, I don't think, I don't know.

I don't think that even like at my worst that my drunk mind would have been like, if this happens, I'm just going to pretend like I'm walking along the side of the road. Yeah. Because it's kind of suss when somebody's walking that late at night anyway. Like, oh, I'm just walking my dog like at 2 a.m. or whatever. Well, and like her license plate isn't on her car. Like her car isn't registered to her like. What also like the thing that like cracks me up the most when I picture it because you know how dramatic I can be.

in my head. Oh, yeah. It's like there's like when I go take Murphy for a walk, I'm wearing like black shorts, like a moisture wicking t-shirt. That's not what I'm wearing when I go out for drinks and dinner. Do you know what I mean? So like, I just picture her like walking down the street and like leather leggings and like heels and like a blazer and she's like I was just walking my dog and she's like slurring. Yes, that just had to be what it was. And then did you see last night that someone got a picture of her with her ex-boyfriend, she just resurfaced and she was with that guy from like a relationship ago. And everyone's like, huh. Yeah.

Well, I guess she's been like saying like that they have been broken up and that their relationship is like Dunzo. But like people were saying they heard them fighting at his house and that like when the cops came, they brought her dog to him. Oh. Okay. So I guess that relationship's not. as final as she's been like letting on. It's a lot of people like jumping on that. Yeah.

She's definitely with him. Yeah. Yeah. They're definitely together. I don't know how much they are now, but. Right. Because like this season, she's been like, he's a very private person.

If you're a private person, like you are not dating a reality television star. And if you are, you're not signing on the dotted line to agree to be on camera. if I didn't really want to be, if I didn't want anybody in my relationship or I didn't want if I wanted to be like a private person, which I am a private person. But like, I'm not saying don't date somebody because they're on reality TV. I'm saying like if I dated a reality TV star, I probably wouldn't sign on the line to be on TV.

Right. So yeah. That's on him. It is on him. I completely agree. Weird. Oh. So weird.

Strange. Well, we both are reading really good books this week. Yeah, and they have a little bit in common, which is how we kind of got on the topic. I believe it was your idea. Kind of, yeah. Yeah, I think it was your idea. I just was like fixating on my current read in a way that I felt like a horse with blinders on, like nothing on the outside really mattered. Which I love that.

But like, that's when I get in the position where, like, I don't put two and two together. You're reading a book that you are having a very similar experience with, but you were like, let's kind of like piggyback off from this and do something with the podcast. So you came up with a really good idea. Yeah. So the books we're reading have main characters that are like snarky. And definitely anti-heroes would also be another part of it. But the vibes are just amazing. Like the vibes are almost making the story more than the plot.

For I'm reading, It Takes Monsters by Mandy McHugh, which comes out October 3rd. And you are reading. I'm reading Kill for Love by Laura Pickles, Samire, pickle slimer. Yeah.

It's, it's Pickle for. the word that's pickle S-I-M-E-R Pickle Yeah, I think you're Yeah, PICL-Simer Pickle-Simer.

Maybe I just, I should have practiced it because like now I can just be like, oh yeah, Laura Pickle-Slimber. I know. I know her. But yeah, so it's very similar. It's, she's got a very strong voice

and it's definitely like a very entertaining read. So do you want to kick off by telling people what the Mandy McHugh book is. Is that one of your books for our topic? No. No. I didn't include it. Oh, I included mine. Or we can. We might as well. We hear where you're right. No. Okay. Um, yeah, I'll just include, I'll, I'll briefly describe this one because this one can be described very, very briefly. Um, I think it even like takes place over like, it doesn't take very long. But Victoria Tate is the main character and she's finally so fed up with her husband that she has decided that she is going to murder him.

And she listens to enough murder podcasts that she thinks she knows how to pull it off. She has it all planned. She's going to do it after they go to this fancy gala and she's all ready to do it. And he doesn't come home that night. and then the cops show up and tell her that he's been murdered, but obviously it's by someone else. So then she starts getting some, like, creepy messages while she's being investigated by the police,

and she's trying to figure out who else wanted to murder her husband other than her. But from the get-go, her, like, inner monologue is so bitchy and just like so snarky and definitely kind of man hating and it is just really fun to read. And then like all of the creepy stuff that starts happening to her is kind of next level. It's a very bloody book too. Yeah, mine's very bloody too. Yeah. They both have a lot in common.

Yeah. And like the inner monologue is amazing. So yeah. Kill for Love by Laura Picklesheimer. is a satire thriller that is kind of compared to American Psycho. And I would also compare it to like Emma Roberts' character in Screen Queens. Okay. Or Emma Roberts and like any American horror story pretty much.

Oh, yeah. Like just ridiculous. But she's basically Tiffany. is the main character. She's a privileged L.A. Sorority Girl. And she has like these impulses. And she's trying to like keep them under control until one night a hookup goes wrong. And basically like her desire to kill like takes over after this like brutal hookup. So it goes on from there. but it's like a taste and she likes it yeah it's like a very feminist like american psycho comedy satire thriller like i was just like laughing out loud and then like something very like

crazy would happen and i was like oh my god like i just absolutely love it so i really i can't wait to read it now oh my god it's so good you're gonna die laughing i think i'm gonna read something else since they're kind of similar yeah and then read that one next like just like have like a different kind of plot right in between them this is one that i picked up like very last minute like i was actually going to read something different and then my friend dennis scared stray reads on instagram he posted his review but my friend cindy had already like told me like this sounds like it's going to be up your alley so i had it on my wish list and then i read his review and i was like okay now i now i need to like because i even comment i was like oh i really want to read this one

And he's like, I don't know how you haven't already, basically. Like, this is the perfect book for you. And he was right. It's going to be in your top 10 for the year or top five. Oh, hell yes. Hell yes. So, God, this traffic is so loud to me. Oh, I hate that.

I can't hear it. But, yeah. So now we're going to just talk about, like, our famous favorite, like, badass female voices. Yeah. The first one that I thought of, like immediately, when we were talking about it is Blood Sugar by Sasha Rothschild.

So Ruby, obviously, well, that's the main character, Ruby's whose voice I love so much. We have talked about it before. So there's a big chance that you guys already even know what it's about. But the tagline is she's accused of four murders and she's only guilty of three. So Ruby has murdered people, but she doesn't feel that she's a sociopath. She's an animal loving therapist with a thriving practice and she feels empathy and sympathy.

She's had long-lasting friendships and relationships and has a husband Jason whom she adores. but the homicide detectives at Miami Beach PD are not convinced of her happy marriage. When we meet Ruby, she's in a police interrogation room being accused of Jason's murder, which ironically is one murder that she did not commit, though her vicious mother-in-law and a scandal-obsessed public believed differently. As she undergoes questioning, Ruby's mind raises back to all the details of her life that led to this exact moment and the three dead bodies she left in her wake, because though she may not have killed her husband, Ruby, certainly isn't innocent.

she's so fun she's so bitchy we're going to say bitchy so many times but she is and it's amazing yeah and it's such a cool concept that was one of the ones I saw

that was like a potential candidate for me yeah that I was like now first one I thought of yeah I was like I'm not doing that yeah I will always think of that one yeah I was like I could not do that of her because if I had like went first or something and I said blood sugar, I could just picture you being like,

because... I have a few, but yeah, you knew I was going to pick this one. Yeah, yeah, there were three that I had. We could tell. Yeah, there were three I had that I was like, I'm just not even going to attempt to try to imagine Kate not picking them, but yeah, I love blood sugar. Well, you know, then I'm just going to kick it off with my... Yes.

my one that like I would have been devastated if you tried to steal for me and that this is not going to be a surprise to anybody but um Ani Finnelli from luckiest girl alive by Jessica Nol um i just love how like ruthless she is um i love everything about this character and the different voices between her past and her present um i just thought it was like so good even when she was just like describing, I don't want to say mundane, because I don't think that there's anything in this book that like shouldn't have been in it

or that they could have skipped out on. But just even like the smaller details where you're like kind of getting to know her, I thought she was such an interesting character and I loved her voice. She was probably like one of the first characters I read that made me realize that like a character-driven novel that is,

exceptionally written is something that I would like that I'm into you know yeah um but basically um it's about ony um she kind of had reinvented herself and now has like the perfect job and like this like fiance and like she's like the kind of like the woman that you see on the sidewalk that you're like wow she has it all um but she has like a huge secret from her past that haunts her and somebody is making a documentary about something that had happened from her past that she was involved in. And it's kind of forcing her to confront the past instead of just focusing so much on like reinventing herself to be completely different than she was back then. She's kind of like forced to like revisit the past and like confront her big secret. So, but yeah, that is one of my my favorite ones.

And any moment I can talk about Jessica Wall on the podcast is... You're going to take it. I mean, especially this week. You can't help it. I know. I'm so annoying on Facebook or Facebook. I'm so annoying on Instagram every day this week. Tomorrow's the last day.

That's true. We are coming up on the end of it. Tomorrow's the last day that I have any bright young women content planned. but yeah who knows there might be more in the future you never know yeah might come up with something yeah

well my close second um was the kind worth killing from Peter Swanson so Lily Lily would be the voice that I love so much it's been out since 2015

so people some people are probably read it as well, but it's about a guy named Ted Severson meets the stunning and mysterious Lily Kentner on a plane. Sharing one too many martinis, the strangers began to play a game of truth, revealing very intimate details about themselves. Ted talks about his marriage that's going stale and his wife Miranda, who he sure is cheating on him. Ted and his wife were a mismatch from the start. He the rich businessman, she the artistic free spirit, a contrast that once inflamed their passion but has now become cliche.

But their game turns a little darker when Ted jokes that he could kill Miranda for what she's done. Lily without missing a beat says calmly, I'd like to help. After all, some people are the kind worth killing like a lying, stinking, cheating spouse. Dang. I love it. Yeah. It is the book that he was Gone Girl and then this one that like really made me know what

I wanted to read in my adult life. So those will always hold place in my bookish heart. Yeah, yeah. I feel you there. Yeah, I love Lily. I wish they would make that into like a television show or a movie. I know. Especially with like the setting.

Yeah. I think they announced it with Amber Heard. Oh, I feel like I remember you saying that. A while ago, like a long time ago, which I mean, I know that like it takes a while for things to kick off. Yeah. With everything going on with. her and Johnny Depp. I'm sure that

that's the last thing she's thinking about, but... Probably. But yeah, I still would have loved to have seen it because I think that Amber Heard would have been an excellent, Lily. I think so, too. I'm also, like,

this is my, like, hot topic. Like, this might be one of my Roman empires. Nice. Is that, like, I think that, like, Amber Heard was definitely not perfect in her relationship with Johnny Depp, but I think that she got way more hate than she deserved.

Apparently the Netflix doc dives into that. There's a Netflix doc on it and it focuses on how disproportionate the hate was towards her, which is just sadly still common for women sometimes. You think we were a little bit past it, but I agree. I think both of them were not good together. I just don't. So the hate. Yeah.

And at the end of the day, like a domestic abuse situation. Yeah. Like I just don't get how more people didn't sympathize with her when it's very clear that she was also abused by him. Yeah. I think some, I heard someone else talking about the doc. So I don't know if this is in the dock or if they discovered this somewhere else. But it was heavily suspected that he was like buying the bots that were making so much shitty like TikToks about her during that trial. And that, like, he was very actively kind of using some fake ways to generate bad buzz. I don't. Which is terrible. I don't doubt it one. I think if you would have taken two other names, if you would have replaced Amber Heard with, like, Rees Witherspoon and you would have replaced him with somebody who wasn't everyone's, like, childhood crush growing up, that more people would have been sympathetic toward the woman.

I think so, too. people didn't want to believe it, which is so unfortunate that that keeps happening. Yeah. Where we don't want to believe it about men, but just because they're good around you does not mean they're good everywhere. Same thing with women. It's not just men, but... Oh, yeah. Like, she was definitely not innocent, but like she... Yeah. Like, if you're going to hate on somebody, hate on... You know, like, if two people are in a really toxic, shitty relationship and it's affecting other people,

then maybe you should just be like, you both kind of suck. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I agree. I agree. I speak from experience or anything, but. Definitely. Yeah, me neither. But my segue

nice. Is Gone Girl because you just mentioned have Gone Girl. I love it. The Kind Worth Killing influenced you and Amy Don definitely influenced me. Yes. I feel like I can list her in here because it's been 10, 11, 12 years since Gone Girl came. out. So like if you haven't read it yet or at least watch the movie, then that's on you. Yeah. If you have not and you don't know what's going on or you're new to thrillers,

um, it's about a man who his name is Nick and wonders how much he really knew his wife when he wakes up on their fifth wedding anniversary and his wife is missing. Um, the police basically suspect him immediately because like her friends are saying that she was afraid of him and they find a journal basically of her documenting all of these things in their relationship and his voice between his perspective of the relationship and what is found in this diary are complete opposites. So you don't really know who's telling the truth and who isn't. And Amy Dunn's voice was like a hot knife through butter for me. Like I just wanted more.

Yes. I wanted more. much more. The monologue. Everybody knows the big monologue. Yes. Rosamund Pike did amazing with that monologue in the movie. But like reading that monologue in the book was just one of those unforgettable moments for me as a reader.

And I was like, this is the fucking shit that I will never want to stop reading. And I really haven't. Same. I was just like more of this, please. Yeah, give me, give me more. Yeah. Definitely like Brittany. Yeah.

Well, my third one is not a bitchy voice, but it was a unique voice. And so I still wanted to include it. And that is strange Sally Diamond that came out this year from Liz Nugent. I almost picked that. Oh, that's amazing. Oh, wait, wait. Is this your last one? yeah okay

I almost did strange Sally Diamond but I was like I don't know I don't know how to describe that book without you know whatever right just because I have a big mouth I know I thought you were gonna I thought you were gonna pick Stone Cold Fox

I had that I have that one in my like long list and then Kismet as another one yep yep But I was like, I was like, I'm fine talking about some, but I've definitely talked about Kismet. The other one I thought about was their vicious games. But I talked about that one really recently too. And I talked about how I liked the satire. So I was like, yeah.

But with Strange Sally Diamond, yes, there's like not a ton that you can know up front because it's one of those stories where like it does start with what the synopsis says. But then it does like just go into a whole other direction. than what's in the synopsis. But reclusive Sally Diamond causes outrage by trying to incinerate her dead father. Now she's the center of attention not only from the hungry media and police detectives, but also a sinister voice from a past

that she does not remember. As she begins to discover the horrors of her early childhood, Sally steps into the world for the first time, making new friends, big decisions, and learning that people don't always mean what they say. But who is the man? observing Sally from the other side of the world and why does he call her Mary and why does her new neighbor seem to be obsessed with her Sally's trust issues are about to be severely challenged.

She's just like she takes things super super literally and like sees the world kind of in black and white. So there's a little narcissism and what I love about her. But her, it was just so cute sometimes, like the way she processed the world. And like it is not, I thought it was at the beginning of the synopsis, but it's not a spoiler to say her dad like always jokingly said, put me out with the trash when I die. And she was just like, okay, dad. So that's just what she did.

So it's just a very unique perspective for a book. And I loved it so much. Yeah. You did an excellent job describing that because I was worried about spoiling something, but you executed it very well, which to no one's surprise ever. Synopsis helps. I call her flawless Kate. Kate, but yeah, I mean, let's be honest.

If a book starts off with a woman who or anybody for that matter, but we're books about women because, you know, we love them. We love them here. But like, let's be honest, if a book starts off with like, you know, a woman or anybody for that matter burning a dead body of their father you know it's going to be a unique voice so exactly you know like but yeah there were a lot of um i mean very differently like Tiffany from kill for love like did it in a bitchy way but like Sally just being strange Sally Diamond there were a lot of like deadpan moments that made me like laugh out loud until you know even when you get into

the the nitty gritty of the story and you realize that there's a lot more there were still a lot of moments where she she kind of made me laugh so oh yeah very I loved it huge kudos to

Liz Nugent for writing and pulling off that kind of character with this plot because I agree she's a bad ass yeah I love Sally coincidentally enough my next voice is I don't know if I would consider her bitchy.

Mm-hmm. I just loved her inner monologue. Like, I loved. Yeah. Like, if this, like, I've actually told this. So it's Tell Me Everything by Cambria Brockman. It's one of my favorite books in the entire world. And I can't wait to see your jaw drop when you see the cover because you're going to love it.

I know. So it's one of my favorite books. I'm obsessed with it. A lot of books called Tell Me Everything. Ooh, and I found it. Yeah. Yeah, that is cool. Yeah, it's so good.

Malin is the character's name, and she's just a very unique voice. And I feel like even if nothing murderous happened in the other books, like I would read a series about her. but she basically like starts college and is like swept up into this like tight-knit group and they all become friends and there's a bunch of them. But she kind of has this like troubling past that she's trying to hide from them and like get like a fresh star and just kind of be a new person. But everything that is going on and her, I don't. want to say infiltrating her way in, but like her and being included in this tight new group of

friends, um, basically has something happened that would they have like senior day at the end of their college career before they graduate, um, her secrets, her friend's secrets, like, everybody's like dirty laundry just is exposed and basically someone ends up dead. Um, and that's all I'm going to say. Naturally. But I will say, I read this book probably fuck four or five years ago maybe more

and there is one line in the book that could also be a Roman Empire for me anytime I talk about this book this is the Roman Empire episode yeah anytime I talk about this book anytime I think about this book I think about this line so much

that it like is one of my favorite lines in a book ever because it just gives you a hint about Malin as a character, but also like, it just makes you, like, think about so many things with, like, her character that I was like, oh, my God, I just want to know more about this one line. Like, yeah. It's kind of like, have you ever seen that TikTok where it's like, for a million dollars,

what is one thing that you could talk about for a half hour straight with like no pauses? And I feel like the line in this book is one of those things that I could talk about for a half hour. Oh my God. And it sounds like Dark Academia. So now I want to read it. Oh my God, it is. It is. And it's very like character driven.

And it's got the dual timeline because like you don't like you start to find out what she's hiding from her past. So it's got like dual timeline, dark academia like. Seductive protagonist. Seductive protagonist. Cambria Brockman's way of telling a story is like fucking amazing. Like I love her writing. And it's very character driven in the sense of, did you read Tell Me Lies by Carolla Lovering?

Yes, that's what our, oh, no, I'm thinking of something else, the lies I tell. I haven't read Tell Me Lies. Did you watch the show? Wow, I'm getting her books mixed up. I watched the show and didn't read the book. Yeah, I didn't read the book. I had started the show before I knew it was a book. So you know how like the book and the show focus on these, like, obviously you have your two main characters, but then like it kind of focuses on the friendship group as a whole.

Yep. Think about how Carolla Lovering did that in the book and the show, but just know that at the end of this one of them is going to be murdered. Okay. All right. So, I mean, it is like a hard sell. It is a hard sell. Yes. It's one of my top ten favorite books in the entire world. The entire world? Oh my God. Yes. Yes. I have not stopped thinking about it for like four or five years. I can't wait to see what she does next. I absolutely love Tell Me Everything by Cambria Brockman. Yeah, we need another one from her. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That sounds great.

She's one hell of a fucking writer. And I, everything that is, everything that is, yeah. Everything that is, she is. Everything that is. you can think of in like a book is it's a little bit slower-paced it's character-driven so it's a little bit slower-paced yeah but yeah it's just one of those books that I will forever in that same realm now it's this one that tell me everything and all the beautiful strangers both of those you've talked about so excitedly that I want to read both of them and I am finally like very caught up on my arcs right now. So maybe it's time to go through them. I also want your opinion on Nice Girls by Catherine Dane. Yes. And I even bought that one one time when it was like a like bonus Kindle points. So I even have it. I need to read it. I love that book. I know that book so

much. So many things to read. This is why I don't. This is why I'm not caught up with Housewives. Right. Right. I keep like I keep. picking up a show. Like I watched a full season of Insecure and I was like so pumped to watch more. But then like I finished that season and I like get wrapped up in the housewives or like I'm still catching up on Tell Me Lies. And I just keep bouncing back and forth. He's so hot in that. Oh my God.

I know. That is one of the hottest shows I've watched. It's up there. Oh my God. I know. I know. I mean short of watching like porn. Yeah.

Yeah, I know people are going to be like, do you have a sex addiction? Like, you love having eyes and like euphoria. Yes. I guess this is a bad time to also plug that I'm bouncing back and forth between shows, but I also am really enjoying sex education on Netflix. Have you watched that? I have not yet. So it's basically, yeah, it's like a high school kid.

He's kind of like, he's a virgin. He's like a little door. He doesn't have a lot of friends, but his mom is this, like, very famous sex therapist. Yeah. And one night at, like, a party or something, this couple has, like, an issue. And he, like, talks them through the issue that they're having in their sex life. And they, like, tell their friends, he helped me out. He helped me out.

So now this kid is, like, a virgin who is taking cash from other high school students to give them, like, sex. in relationship advice. Oh my gosh. It is so fucking good. It is so funny. The cast is fantastic. And yeah, I think he would,

yeah, I think he would really like it. I know. I like, I'm just not having much time to watch TV anymore. Which is okay. But my list of TV is actually growing. Yeah.

I'm not reading though. I'm just, it's just I read more now. It's getting cooler and, you know, not to get too personal. but from the time that we met until now, like I think that you're doing a very good job of like listening to your body

and not pushing yourself as much as you used to. So you might have more of those days now than you did last fall in the sense of like, I'm not going to force myself to read. I'm not going to force myself to work. I'm going to like binge watch some TV because that's what's going to make me happy right now. So, you know, you want to watch. I know I want to watch season two of yellow jackets. I think that when I get into like it's time to watch a TV show mood,

I think that's what I'm going to do next, but we'll see. Most of it depends on what kind of mood I completely in. I keep a list on my phone and my notes app of like what I want to watch. Yeah. I have my watch list and IMDB and then obviously good reads for my books. I know you know me. I'm old school. I have to have lists with me.

I know. I'm surprised I don't physically write them down, but I would just lose them. So keeping them on my phone works. Yeah. Because it would be like nothing would make me feel like a bigger dork than being like a list person and being like I love a list and I'll, I'll admit that. I'm that dorky. Yeah. But nothing would make me feel like a bigger dork than like if we were recording or I was out having dinner with friends.

And they were like, oh, have you watched this show? It sounds really good. And I took out like a huge fucking notad. Like I wrote it in. Like a scroll. Yeah. All I get a picture is like a big binder. Or binder.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's funny. That is, that's what I'm watching. Yeah. And obviously we just love a bitchy nair. or a bitchy main character. Oh, I do.

I do. That'll be our Roman empires to end 2023.