Bookwild - TV Shows You HAVE to Watch

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

We are back this week to talk about backlist (previously aired) TV shows you have to watch.Follow us on Instagram:Garehttps://www.instagram.com/gareindeedreads/Katehttps://www.instagram.com/thegirlwiththebookonthecouch/Books We Talked About This WeekA Nest of SnakesThe Secret HistoryA Little LifeThe Chestnut ManThe Rule of ThreeThe Woman InsideTV Shows We Talked About This WeekBig Little LiesSharp ObjectsBroadchurchDexterYouMr. RobotThe KillingLutherThe AffairSchitt’s CreekNip/TuckOrphan BlackUnited States of TaraThe FollowingThe FallHannibalShamelessMovies We Talked About This WeekThe BatmanBohemian RhapsodyThe Lost Daughter Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

Hey guys, welcome to the Killing the Tea podcast. This is Gare and Kate. And we are going to be discussing all things, chills, thrills, and kills. Kate and I are going to be talking about our favorite books, TV shows and movies that are in the thriller or crime fiction genre, as well as some reading habits and other items related to how we met on Bookstagram that will fit in with this podcast. So, Thank you so much for joining us, and we hope that you have fun and get totally terrified. I ventured outside of my usual reading this week, and I have not regretted one second of it. That's awesome. So the one you're reading now is... A Nest of Snakes by Deborah Levison. And have you finished it yet? Because you sound like you were about to yesterday. It's a big book. I think it's like close to 400 pages. Okay.

She reached out to me on Instagram and was like, hey, like, would you be interested in reading my book? And I read the synopsis and I was like, this sounds really good, but it's not my usual, like, genre. So I was like, sure, you know, it's about a guy who is kind of a recluse and he only ventures out of his house to go to, like, his therapy appointments. and during the day he like hunts sexual predators online and like basically entraps them and sends their information to the police department. That's amazing. And there's this like huge plot of all these layers of trauma that he's like been through his life.

And I was like, oh my God, this is so good. And I just could not stop reading it. I'm at 90% now. You're very close then. Yeah, yeah. And it's like a multi-genre. Like, it's definitely coming of age. There's thriller aspects to it.

But it's also like kind of like a legal thriller because there's a big court case in it. So I'm just- You're selling me on this. So good. So good. If anyone wants a book that can combine like the traumatic elements of a little life with the dark academia and like lyrical writing of the secret history then yeah a nest of snakes. That is a really good review.

100%. I'd be dying if I wrote it and someone said that. Yeah. Yeah. I told her like, I mean, I was just like blowing up her DMs last night because I was like, I don't blame you. Like it started off and you know, the pacing's like really well done because she doesn't just like wallop you with all this information. like she starts off slow and you get you know the character and then I was like blowing up her

DMs and just like oh my God but my friend Cindy who has recommended the secret history and a little life to me like the reason that I've read both of them yeah I told her that was like listen like if you don't agree with this that's fine but like this is how I'm feeling reading this book so yeah that's myself I need I have not read a little life I've read um what was the other one you said I've read the secret history Yes, I read that, but I have not read a little life. So I'm adding that. Oh, a little life's good. A little life is very good. It's just spectacular. But it's very, I mean, it's heavy. It's very, very heavy. Yeah, that's a theme for us typically. Yeah. Yeah. But I know what you mean. Some of them are way more intense. Yeah. And a little life deals a lot with like trauma and stuff and like a lot of just like horrible things that can happen to really good people. Not that anybody in thrillers doesn't deserve what happens to them. I mean, most of them don't unless you're like a child predator or a serial killer.

Then like, you know, but, but yeah, with a little life in this story, they're kind of, you know, the really horrible things that happen to people unexpectedly that don't deserve it. you know and just that kind of whole innocence thing that really changes someone and yeah it's sad but yeah anessa snakes is very good yes i finished the chestnut man this week which had similar to what you were just saying like you do also end up finding out a lot of what changed someone yeah when they were really really young yeah but that one was amazing probably the darkest one I read this year, honestly. Like, last housewife was pretty dark. It's always been up there, but this one's definitely a very Nordic noir kind of dark.

So that might be the darkest one I read this year, but I was like dying to get to the end of it. And it's a, it's like a 572 page book or something like that. And so I wanted to get to the end so bad because I wanted to know the answers. but like I also wanted to enjoy how good it was. It's so good. Mm-hmm. So good. But the chapters are short.

So short. I saw a review that compared it to, that you could tell he's a screenwriter. Mm-hmm. Because they kind of compared it to just like a bunch of really, really well-written, like short scenes. And I was like, I do kind of understand that. Because it didn't get too much into like the emotional lives of the people since there are so many. perspectives, but like so much happened. It's so good.

And it's really, I think I've read it two or three times, but I think that the chapters end with small cliffhangers, too, don't they? Sometimes, yeah. Obviously, there are so many chapters, but like, most of them, yeah. Like, you're finding something. I don't know how he kept track of all those details when he wrote it. I think from what I remember. there were kind of big elements that maybe his writing process with a season, a full season

of a TV show kind of show up in that writing, you know, yeah. I like that interpretation. Did you watch the show on Netflix? No, I haven't yet. I didn't either. It's not in English and I'm a snob about that. So my whole thing is- No snob, I just don't enjoy it.

it takes a lot for me um i've i've really enjoyed the first season of the show elite um which is a spanish show and it's dubbed in english for netflix okay when your voice doesn't match up with your mouth and or if i have to read what you're saying like any subtitle or it just distracts me from what's happening in the show me too that's how i feel and tyler's like but you read so many books i was like, yeah, that's when I'm doing my reading, but this is me doing my watching. But it's hard to, like, I feel like when you're reading, that's what's causing your imagination to picture what's going on in the book. When you have to watch something on TV and you have to read at the same time, like, you can miss, like, could you imagine trying to watch the movie watcher? Yeah. There's so many

small details in that movie that are like foreshadowing that it'd be hard to, hard to do that. You would miss a lot. Yeah. Anything that has some like really, subtle storytelling. I don't know why I started stuttering. You like need to be paying attention completely. And that's exactly how I feel. Like Tyler thinks I'm crazy, but now I found another person. It's exactly what I feel like. It distracts me. I'm trying to immerse myself in this version of a story, meaning a movie or a TV show. I don't want to see what's coming up. And sometimes it ruins stuff by having it there on the bottom too. Because then like something's revealed before. or it's visually revealed.

And I just, I don't like it. Yeah. I think the show is dubbed. So maybe. It probably has been. Dubbed I can do better, but I'm just still like, it's not matching. You have to, like, not look at their faces. Although I feel like with the show, the, so he, so the author, Saren.

Scarsguard? It's something like Skarsdard. It's like Sive Strupp or something, like S-B-E-I-S-T. R-U-P. Oh, you're right. Fie Strip. But like, I feel like, so he was the creator of the original Swedish version of the show The Killing, which they turned into an American show as well. Oh, okay. Yep. I did watch that. So I feel as though if they took the Chestnut Man, they could really turning into something in America. I mean, even the same setting. Like you could do, God, like Portland.

Seattle. Yeah. Something moody like that. You know, like even like if it was snowy. Vermont. Vermont. The joys of Vermont. Yeah.

Upstate New York, honestly. Like that's creepy as shit. So I feel like they could definitely do something that would be successful with an American mini series of that. I agree. Because I feel like the thing about the chestnut man is it's almost in its own way a cult because the minute people read the chestnut man, they turn into the people that are going to

recommend and never shut up about the chestnut man. And now you're part of it. I'm part of it. And the ending didn't expect the very last chapter either. It was pretty good. Twisted. Twisted. I actually have an author shout out.

Oh, nice. Okay. I have been getting DMs from Greg of E. EG Scott. And he has like just been giving us the kindest words about the podcast. And it is so appreciative. He is saying like our like repertoire together.

Our friendship is just like the chemistry is great. Like he's entertained by it. He's like funny. He loves it. He's like he sent me a DM today like finally caught up. Love it. Like keep up the good work. Don't ever stop.

So, Greg. Oh my gosh. That's so sweet. One more compliment. And I swear to God, I'll just be like, I know. Here's a wedding ring. It's so much fun. It's like, it's mainly just fun.

He's just like, he's the nicest guy in the entire world. Let's be honest. Like, he's way nicer than I am. So like, I can't even be like, oh, he's second nice to me. But like, like, he's just like the nicest human being in the entire world. Yeah. And I absolutely love him. But somebody who like, I mean, I love him and Liz.

I love the way that they write together. having somebody like that tell me that I'm doing a good job with something, that we're doing a good job with something is an incredible experience. So thank you very much. That is amazing. That is very much. I love that because you never know who's listening. And sometimes it's really exciting people. Yeah. I'm just going to give him a ring and be like, here's our romance. I'll just tell you how much I love. your books and you can just tell me how much you love the podcast and that is all we have to commit to one another but yeah so shout out to gregg we love you i need you get caught up on their other books i read the rule three this year but i had not read their other ones and i know you love theirs

i do love theirs and the woman inside is one of my favorite books in the entire world i know it's still kind of high on my list too right now i have an idea for a future episode so i can't say anything past what I want to say about that book other than I love it. Because I feel as though all of our talk of the chestnut man, using my water bottle as a microphone, all of our talk is the chestnut man brings us into something. Like Nordic Noir, but also books related to television shows. And is there anything you would like to say about TV shows?

I definitely have two TV shows on my list of what we're calling backlist TV shows. TV shows that have like finished airing, aren't airing currently, basically said the same thing twice there. But I had two that were books to TV. So big little lies on HBO. Incredible. Amazing. Like Tyler still references that show for how good it is.

is. And I'm like, imagine reading books that are like consistently that good. So that one's great. I know it's on HBO Max still. And there are two seasons, I believe. Yes. Yeah. So there are two of those. And then Sharp Objects was also on HBO. Another. Incredible. That's Gilling Flynn. Big little eyes is Leanne Moriarty. If somehow people listening to this podcast don't know those two books. Those are the authors. You're all we've told you.

I know. Like if you don't know those two people like this might not be your podcast. Yeah. Yeah. You might have to you might have to wait a few years down the road when I start my Colleen Hoover fan club podcast. Right. And hire you to produce that. Yeah, I will.

I will totally do that. I love her stuff. I love how she posts on social. She's incredible. She's a vibe. She's cool. I, yeah. So I think that.

Big Little Lies has done for book to series adaptations, what Gone Girl did for book to movie adaptations, in my opinion. The reason I say that is because a lot of people probably don't know this who are as. Tyler's in Vermont. He's calling me. What the hell are you guys talking about today? I love it. Hi, Tyler. You know, if you're going to shout out your Tyler, I'll shout up my Tyler. I know. We do shout out our Tyler's. Hi, Bash. Okay, so Big Little Lies was supposed to be a one season miniseries, but the fans were like so obsessed and giving it so much

and begging and begging that that's why there's actually two seasons. Yeah. Just because of the fans. That's how impressive. It's impressive. It, it's. And that shows how much if you really support something in talking about on social media, tweeting about it, whatever the case may be, when you support something like that, it is incredible what people can do when they truly love something. I know. So shout out. So this season was still so good. So like Merrill Streep. Are you joking?

Like mail street coming through short shaming Reese Witherspoon. Yes. Dude, she was shaming everybody. It was epic. My friend Tyler will short shame me sometimes because, okay, so here's like the weird funny thing, right? Like, I'm like maybe 5-7, I think. 5-7 or 5-E. Tyler's 5-11. Okay. But he's like, he'll like literally tell people like, oh, he's like 5-6, you know, like just to knock it in and shop and be like, you're like, it's 5-6, but I'm really like 5-7. Yeah.

But if I say to him, like, not all of us were born to be six feet tall like you, he's like, I'm 5-11 and I'm like oh my god so which way do you want it the way you're still taller but like if you can knock an inch off and call me 5-6 I can add an inch and call you six but either way you're still taller than me and you're still going to tell your short jokes so that's why with big little lies I love it because they're I mean this is spoiler free but Merrill street says to Reese Witherspoon like you're very short and I don't trust short people and I don't trust short people and I I just, every time I see the meme or every time I think of that part, it just reminds me of my friendship with my friend Tyler, my emotional terrorist, Tyler. Oh, my gosh.

What's funny is I'm 5-8 and my Tyler's like 5-11 and a half. Holy moly. I know. So just more than we have in common. Yeah. But I'm tall for a woman. And I'm short for a man. We're so cool

Just letting everybody know You haven't seen us standing So just staying as far away from average as possible This group over here Oh my gosh, that's funny But really yeah So yeah I guess Do you have a TV show?

So I have a few TV shows Mm-hmm Um, one of them is based, well, two of them are based on books that I loved. And the rest of them are just shows that give me good vibes that are thrilling and just terrifying and dramatic and all the things that I love in a TV show. But, um, so I'm going to contradict myself here. Um, one of my favorite crime shows in the entire world is Dexter. Yes. I had that one on my list. too. You did? Yes. Did you watch the new season? I'm assuming you have already. Helly, I did. Oh, that was good. We needed that. We deserved that. We needed that. I don't know how I feel about the ending. Symbolically, it's a pretty cool theme is the best I can say without spoiling anything. Makes sense. Did I want to see any of this happen? No. Correct. I won't. Yeah. I also.

I'm not smiling anything. But I also kind of, I feel like the way they ended it and with all of the people talking about it, I feel as though I wanted some sort of confirmation from Showtime. I've already talked shit about HBO. I might as well talk shit about Showtime. I talk shit about Peacock, too. I mean, just take a while. Stay true, Hulu. I just wish they would say like, hey, guys, listen, like, you know, we kind of rebooted this series, you know,

dusted it off the shelf, gave you what you wanted, but this is it. Or there may be more down the line, but we don't have that definitive answer yet. They just kind of like, oh, here you go. Like, this will kill a month in the winter. And that's what it did. I don't know if it's going to continue. I did like how, which I'm sure they did this with the original. I just probably didn't pay attention to it. But the whole, um, the whole culture of, missing women who are, you know, just narrowed down to runaways. Yes. The, um, the whole, you know, thing that's plagued the indigenous community of having indigenous women go missing and the police not giving a shit whatsoever, um, was really represented well in the show. You know,

you showed the, the contrast between the people who did not care and who just, kind of let it be known that they were runaways and that's all they were going to investigate and the people who are like listen like to you this is a case to me this is my family this person did not run away um this is just another indigenous missing woman to you to me this is another name on a list that should be a lot shorter than what it is and you're not doing a goddamn thing about it right and unfortunately that is actually happening to this day. So I felt like the way that they represented that in the show,

not just for like a plot device, but just kind of be like, oh, if you think this really, you know, if you think this is really shitty in the show, it's actually happening in the world. So, like 12 or more girls that she was trying to solve the case of.

It might have been more than 12. It was in the double digits. And it was like all throughout the show. It wasn't just like a throwaway subplot. Yeah. Yeah. And to have some of them be cold cases that having somebody refused to give up on was done really well because Dexter is just the best. I know.

It's so good. The whole time we were watching, I was like, I could watch so many more seasons of this. It's really good. It's so good. I'm trying to think how to ask this without spoiling anything. It's so hard. What's your favorite season of? Dexter. Okay. It might be the Trinity Killer. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I'm glad for an agreement.

Yeah. That's one. I also, my second thing, this is kind of like tied for me because the Trinity Killer season four, right? Season four. I think so. Yes. Trinity Killer season four, incredible, really well done. very, very suspenseful, but there's a lot that happens in the finale of season four, probably more than most of the other seasons. Season five for me is a close second because you have the aftermath of season four combined with a new case, combined with super guest star. Queen Julia Stiles, who I love. Yes. She is amazing. I, yeah, I forgot about her.

That's a good point. I love her. I love her. And the season starts off with like this truck crashing and like these barrels coming out and having dead women and them. Oh, I forgot about it. And I'm like, why can not, why can somebody not? put this in a book. So chilling. And it reminds me of this movie that I watched, which I can't say

the name of because it's spoiler, but it's probably one of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen in my entire life. But it deals with one of those like barrels kind of. Oh, yeah. So Dexter, yeah. Barrows are always creepy. It never means something good. No, no. A barrel is I never want to see a barrel anywhere. No, me neither. I even like, I even like walk by them if I'm like shopping at like Walmart or on the occasion that I have to like go into Home Depot with someone because I never go to Home Depot by myself.

But like if I like see a barrel, I'm like, what's that year for? It gives me the same feeling as like when you see that, um, that like random fact and like a meme like on Twitter or something where it's like in your average lifetime you will walk by five serial killers and not oh my god and then like how many voice thank you thank you um and then i think the same thing when i walk by a barrel like i'm like how many dead bodies are you going to hide in your lifetime little mr barrel that's like really what are people using barrels for otherwise it's like thrillers have you ever needed a barrel i haven't yeah thrillers have not made me anxious in my life because, as I've said before, I'm not interesting enough to kill.

Like, leave me alone to be boring in my house, to read my books, to like get takeout and like text Kate and Tyler. Yeah. And Kate's Tyler. So just like, leave me alone. But they have made me very, I don't want to say paranoid because that's too strong of board, but they have made me very aware of like when you're walking through just trying to get your groceries or whatever and you're like, all of these knives, like, are they going to be

used for cooking or like, how many, how many crime scene paraphernalia have I walked by as an innocent person just looking for the lays potato chips? That is a meme. And we just lost all of our viewers. are like, all right. Here I am. Weirdo. I've been having to walk the dogs

earlier in the morning this week to get on Zoom calls, but it's dark outside in the morning now. So I do not take headphones. I'm like, always like looking around. Like, nothing's probably going to happen in my little

Indian in town, but you never know. So I never know. My shoulders more. And be aware of, your surroundings. Yep. You know what? I also kind of want to talk shit a few few seconds. Go for it. I love talking you shit. I don't know if this has ever come across your TikTok, but have you seen the videos where women are like walking to their car and they're like,

these are the things you should watch out for when it comes to being abducted or taken into human sex trafficking or, I mean, like the zip ties, things that are under your windshield wipers. Yep. Yeah. We're on the same TikTok. Okay. So like I see those and I'm like, you know what, I will say as a woman. I'm not a woman. But like I can just imagine as a woman that would be terrifying, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would be terrifying to see a zip tie somewhere or something on your right. Just something like that and be like, oh my God. Like I can't believe. it would be terrifying to see that as a woman or to see that TikTok as a woman because you're like, yeah, this is, this is kind of similar to what I said, um, either last week or the week before

about how there are those TikToks that are out there about ordering an angel shot at a bar if you feel like you're in danger. Right. There have been a lot of assholes on TikTok lately that I want to talk shit about because they're like, nobody's trying to kidnap you. you're just doing this for views, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't care if you are a woman who is making these TikToks and you're like, I found this on my car. I could be in danger. I don't care if you put it on your car yourself or if you're just like, hey, listen,

this is what happens to people because either way, you're bringing awareness. So to all of the people out there that are trying to call out people for making these, whether they made it seem like there was a zip tie on their car or they put it there, themselves to make awareness. Shut the fuck up. Doesn't matter. Yeah. It does not matter. It's like the people on less serious TikToks, it's the same thing. But when they're funny and they're like, you staged this. And you're like, did you laugh? Like, have you ever watched a comedy on TV? They staged that. Yeah. And you know what the thing is too? It's like, it's just really annoying when people are like, this didn't really happen to you. Somebody's bringing awareness. You know, they might have done that as like one of

those generation Z way of like the videos that they used to make us watch in high school when they rolled in the VCR and they were like if a stranger comes up to you and tries to offer you candy or a shot at tequila don't get in the van so if you are one of those people that has nothing better to do than attack somebody who's bringing awareness of like some of the shitty things that have happened to women you should probably spend less time on TikTok talking shit to people and more time looking up the random facts and the statistics of how many women go missing or the crimes that are committed against women and just let people make people aware of this and try to

protect horrible things from happening to women. So that's my shit time. That is the TikTok corner for today's episode. And I also like when you were like, oh, like did you laugh like at like the things like people are also saying like TikTok is kind of like the app version of Saturday Night Live where people just make up their own skits for entertainment and it's like that is such a good comparison. Yeah. So let people be funny. If you don't. If you don't like it, scroll real fast and the algorithm will get rid of it. Scroll away or click on that little button that says like there's a little button that's like I did not find this. to be something.

Something. Yeah, if you hold down or like hold down on the TikTok itself, it'll have something pops up where you can say like, I don't want to see this kind of content. I've found out with songs sometimes because like sometimes when certain songs come out, they blow up on TikTok, but it's like not a song I like. And then it'll be stuck in my head. So I've also done like, I don't want to hear any more of the sound. And it is kind of helpful.

No. And, you know, it's just being that person that's like calling out people, like, listen, if you see something on TikTok that is like racist or homophobic or sexist or something and people like think it's funny, call it out by all means. But like if somebody is just trying to do something that's funny that's not offensive or they're trying to bring awareness to things so that people can protect themselves from something shitty happening against them, it's none of your fucking business. No. It's literally the equivalent. Yeah. It's like the same thing with people that post a negative review. Like, and tag an author in it. I know. I don't have other things you can do with your life. Mm-hmm. I know. I just, I can't bring myself to, I would definitely never tag an author, but like, like, I'm just not going to post it out of book if I didn't like it. I don't blame people for posting negative reviews and being like, like, not obviously not tagging the author. But like, if you want to, if you want to post it,

negative review and have your your the vibe of your page or whatever be like I'm going to post honest reviews of everything I read good for you you know like that's fine I personally don't post negative reviews but like when people when I see an author being like oh here we go somebody posted a negative review of my book and tagged me in it I'm just like what the hell is going on like what is the need to do that because it's like also for me like there are so many different reasons I might love a book or not totally love it or dislike it or kind of dislike it. And everyone like you could also, my point is you could also still if you wanted to post about it. One, not tag. I'm frozen. Not tag the author. But two, you could also just be like, I think this, this and this isn't for me. Like just like a couple. of things. Like, there's nothing wrong with that because occasionally we're going to run into books where, like, we would have different styles or something. Oh, yeah, of course. And, like,

that's what, like, I feel like that's more helpful. And the people that are saying they're doing to be helpful, I feel like that's more helpful. I think the thing is, too, is that, like, you and I may have a private conversation and we have. Oh, yeah. Where I'm like, I did not like this, this or this. And I hated this or it just, like, did not work for me. But, like, whenever we, like, And we've talked about this like before we even started recording the first episode, how like this is not going to be something where we ever shit talk a book. But like, you know, if something doesn't work for us, like you and I have been very good on here about being like, that one didn't really work for me. But like, I can see why, you know, it worked for you or like. Yeah. This didn't really work for me. And we've cut stuff out when I've asked you about a book where you've asked me. And we've, within the other person's like, uh, sure, I read it. Yep. And we're like, okay, we'll see if that one. Sure did.

Sure did read that one. Hey, guys. I hope you enjoyed part one of this episode. If you did, make sure that you come back on Thursday for part two. And don't forget to stay out to date with everything that we're reading and talking about on our Instagrams at Gare Indeed reads and at the girl with the book on the couch. Links are also in the show notes. So make sure you follow.