Boonta Vista - EPISODE 102: The ASIO Bunyip Files

Episode Date: June 11, 2019

Andrew, Ben, Lucy & Theo hit the highway and discuss the police raids on journalists over the last week - including a shockingly reasonable take from Penis Whackerman! And of course, we check in on Bigfoot. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Merchandise available at: boontavista.com/merchandise *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Spotify: spoti.fi/2DBCXGA Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Buente Vista episode 102. I am Andrew and I'm driving a convertible down the lost highways of America. In the passenger seat, fucking around with the radio and I wish you'd stop. It's Ben. Hey, I'm just trying to find my tunes. What type of tunes are you looking for here? I'm looking for that good old country music they used to play. I've been listening to country music anymore, you know, they've got trap and rap and... And they're getting put in prison for playing drill music. Yep.

He's right. It's a real thing. In the backseat there, her hair flying in the wind and up, she's just lost her scarf. It's Lucy. Unbelievable. Why does this always happen? My scarf? My long, the silk scarf that I chose to wear in a convertible again.

I chose to wear a convertible as always, like an idiot. Well, at the next place that we stop, you can get out and pop open your suitcase that's just full of scarves. Right, and they'll overflow everywhere. Grab another one. Maybe you'll pull one out and it'll do the magician thing. They'll just keep coming out. And over on the other side, messing with a big unfolded map, even though we all have phones. He's getting flustered by it. It's too large.

He doesn't know how to fold it back up. It's Theo. Okay, well, first of all, I specifically asked to be sitting in the front seat, to reduce motion sickness. I don't feel like that's being treated seriously. Second of all... I do feel like that these days. I don't want to ride in the back anymore. You really have to appreciate the tactility of an old-star map.

I think it's something we've lost. George and I were just talking about this because we're're going back over to the States for another road trip in the very near future, actually, and we, I'm gonna do the paper map thing I reckon. We're gonna, we've got no specific places we want to go other than the wedding we're going to. Gonna get a fucking goddamn paper map and be like, let's go to this shitty sounding place. This sounds like how a horror movie starts, Ben.

I have lived well and if I get murdered, I'm not going to be like, oh no, don't kill me, I've got other stuff to do, I'll be like, yep, all right. Lucy said, Lucy warned me. Get it over and done with. Mm-hmm. Well, I, I, I, I mean, it's certainly, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's th. thin, it's a thi. thi, it's a thi, it's, it's, it's like, it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's, it's, it's, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's certainly, it's a thirty thirty-a. thirty over and done with. Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, I mean, it's certainly, it's certainly one of those, like, skills that has just kind of completely disappeared now is like the ability to lose a map. I'm sure there's somebody listening to this who's very mad at me. It's like, oh, I can read a map.

But I feel like it's not, I'm pretty sure most sure most people are able to look at Google Maps and be like, oh, those are the streets between where I need to go and here. I can probably just walk up these ones, which is roughly the same skill set as looking at a map and being like, well, these roads adjoin, I'll take it them. I guess. I guess. People don't know how to look things up in a Refodex anymore. People don't buy the 2019 Brisbane Refodex and then put it under the passenger seat. What's it called Refodex?

Yeah, the Refodex. The Refodex. What is that? The fuck is a Refodex? That's not just a Queensland thing. That's not just a Queensland thing. Is that is that just the company that makes the Met? Like Melways or Rand McNally in the States? Oh it's a particular brand of the directory I thought it was you know reference in the article.

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just every Brisbane dwellers like a little benchmark of when they arrived? Yeah I guess so. It was a cobweb covered refodex,idex. Frankly, a ridiculous thing to say. I mean, Brisbane does move so quickly that you are going to have to buy a new one of those every 10 or 15 years or so. Yeah, there's one new housing development in each and it can really throw you off. You remember having pages memorized for the ones that's the inner city, gonna need that one. Yep, but then you gotta go, you gotta turn to like the inner picture, where they got the red box around it. You're absolutely right.

For the zoom. Otherwise, he's just gone off bad data. And you want the good data. You want the good data. That's the thing I've learned. Kids these days, they'll just, they, they, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, they'll just, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their tho, tho, the., the., the., thea., thea. thea. the. the. the. the. their their their their, could you dab me to the nearest Starbucks YOLO? And then the car drives itself and they're jacking off in the back. I'm gnapping off the back of yourself driving car? We all know that as soon as cars are automated like that, they're just going to be mobile jack-off chambers. I don't know if that's what people are going to do.

Well, it's absolutely what some people are going to do. That's what the leisure class will be doing. I also feel like you're overestimating the number of hands required to drive a normal car. Well, he's got manual. Well, he's got the, we'll see I've got the auto but it's also still stick shift, so. Yeah, you're telling me. Yeah, I'm sure. You're telling me. I'm going to take a slightly softer stance on this. I'm not going to say, this is a softer stance on my no jacking off at work policy.

I will say, you can't tha you you you the you you have a minimum threshold of tint. You have to have like the crazy illegal blackout tint that they put on government cars. I thought you're going to say you have to have a minimum number of people so someone else can grab the wheel or... Oh, this is kind of the opposite. You want this to be completely the car's not driving at the time, right? Self-driving car. But, I mean, or otherwise... It's a Tesla. If you're stationary, you just got to have, you've got to have blackout tint, the illegal stuff. The good shit.

I think you could get away with a little less. Just some like really good quality tint, you know. A bit of distance between you and the cars in front and behind you on the highway. I think people still see the motion they'll know what you're doing. Yeah. People can figure it out. They're very canny. The human eye and the human brain are amazingly good at picking a human that's jacking off just by silhouette. It's one of the things we were meant to do.

Welcome to Buntavista. The podcast where we really hash out the details of whether or not it is appropriate to jack off in a self-driving car if and when that scenario eventuates. How much tint you need? I mean this might all become a bit of a wash if you know the climate apocalypse happens before we get to that stage that everyone has those self-driving cars. In that case, everyone will be, it'll be, what's the etiquette for jacking off in my bomb shelter that everyone else is in, you know? I just got a little bit of moisture in my body for the first time in 70 days after finding some pooled water in the bottom of a Mount Franklin bottle. It's time to jack off. Oh no! There are some wasteland mutants near me and I

think it's rude. Well the problem is that as we all know when you do jack off you kind of just get off into a world of your own and it's very difficult to defend yourself against those wasteland mutants. You'd certainly want to have like a buddy system going. One person jacking off, one person. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there are are some there are are some there are some there are there are some there are some there are some there are some there are some there are some there areeland mutants. You'd certainly want to have like a buddy system going. One person jacking off, one person scanning the horizon with a sawing off shotgun in their hands. Yeah, back to back. That's got to be the star. It's got to be. I'll look this way. You get yours done. Then we'll swap. I'll hand you the shotgun.

Yeah. I'll hand you the shotgun. Uh, yeah. Wash your hands first, ideally. Oh, what, with all that water? All the abundant hand washing water. Scrub your hands with dirt. Uh, that's dirt path. Yeah, before taking the gun off me. Thank you very much.

Huh. So folks, speaking of the post-apocalyptic future. I think we're living in 1984, man. Damn, you're right. Damn, the far distant future of 1984. Anything could happen. Anything could happen. Anything can and will happen in the far distant future of 1984. As a side note, I do love watching any given like classic movie about like a post-apocalyptic

thing where they have a title card at the front says, In the future, the year is 1996. That's always, that's always very good to me. The year is 1983, the population on earth is 35 billion. Did they, did they keep doing like, um, I feel like in the Terminator movies, the plots kind of kept evolving to retcon us having passed the date where like stuff was supposed to have happened in the original movies, you know? Like Terminator 2, like the, all the nukes and shit were meant to happen in like 98 or 99

or something like that. And then in Terminator 3, they were like, ah, we did a thing and thing and thi. and th. and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th-a, the thi, the the the thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the plot, the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theeat, kind the, kind theat, kind the, kind theat, kind theat, kind thi, thi, thi, in like 98 or 99 or something like that. And then in Terminator 3 they were like, ah we did a thing and change the future but also something else bad happened and it's still going to get nuked. Blade Runner did the opposite thing. So in what's the new one? 2049? 2049. It still exists in the offshoot world from the original Blade Runner where like all of those 80s brands controlled the future so it's all like PALSonic or whatever it is you know and still has like all of the technology offshot from that from that point so they haven't actually had to rec on anything as far as they're concerned they've just taken what, what happened in the, in the, in the, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, in their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th. the, the. th. the. tho, the. the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, off shot from that from that point so they haven't actually had to retcon anything as far as they're concerned. They've just taken what happened in the in the you know, 1980s movie and as golden,

which I think is probably a good approach. Which is a smart way to do it, which I get really pissed off with movies where specifically the alien is a good example of this where the technology in alien and aliens was like CRT monitors fucking black and green text Fucking, you know, it's like walls of flashing LEDs for computers and stuff and then they do the prequels and it's all fucking holograms and shit like just fucking pick your visual language just stick with it stick to the aesthetic yeah so the reason we're living in freaking 1984 man is because the Australian federal police over the last week or two have conducted a series of high profile raids on the officers

of I guess is it News Corp? A-B-Corp? Is Anacus Smeathist? Oh, they raided her home. She's a News Corp journalist, yeah. They rated her home in relation to a 2010 story. It was 2010, or was it not that long ago several several years old at least this story about accusations that an Australian unit in Afghanistan had been

involved in war crimes and they also rated the ABC about a story of theirs from again again several years ago I guess they they did they they they they they the to the to their to theirs from again several years ago I guess where they they did a story that was a leak that someone had leaked to the media around Peter Dutton's great big home affairs ministry and their plans to covertly spy on all Australian members of the public. I think we might have got that their plans to covertly spy on all Australian members of the public. I think we might have got that the wrong way around. I think it was Anacus Metheus did the the spying one and the ABC were raided over the Afghan files. That is correct. Yes. Well it's good that we can clear it up now

and start again y'all that about it later. Oh no someone will definitely the time it took for you to to to to the to to their their their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. th. I th. Yes. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I their their their their their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. th. th. It's. It's. It's. th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's th. It's. It's th. It's. no, someone will definitely, in the time it took for you to say it, for me to say this the podcast. We get a lot of those tweets, we're someone to be like, hey, fuck you and they'll be like, wait, just got up to the other part of the podcast. I'm not apologizing, I'm still going to run your mom over with the the the the the the the the the the the th. several several minutes later I can see what's happened here uh... yes so obviously the opinions on this stuff in the media have been one thing because i guess as a strenu's media class uh... tends to be the most concerned about things that

happen to a stradies media class as opposed to things that happen to members of the public and all that sort of stuff. But I guess it's been it's been an infuriating thing to watch unfold because it's it is just the like the obvious end point natural conclusion of the changes that have continued to be made to laws over time to say hey, uh, government can fucking raid anybody and go through all your shit and all that have continued to be made to laws over time to say, hey, government can fucking raid anybody and go through all your shit and all that sort of stuff and warrants are made up and all that kind of jazz. And also we're observing everybody all the time. Just the logical end point of the post-911 world that we're all living in where every couple of years police and

National security agencies ask for more power and less oversight and it's a bipartisan operation for both of the major parties in Australia to say We're not ever going to say anything bad about the troops or the police who are also troops and then they pass all that shit You know what I've found and this is just me but police absolutely fucking love how the tr- the the the t tops?? tops? tops. the tops tops the tops tops the tops the tops the tops tops the the the tri-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th that shit. You know what I've found? And this is just me. But police absolutely fucking love having more power and less oversight. Oh yeah. Sure do. They love that shit. They can't get enough of it.

Can't get enough. If you, if they were at a restaurant and the waiter came up and said, excuse me, sir. Would you like some oversight with your meal? They go, ooh, ooh, no thank you. No thank you. That disagrees with me. Gives me indigestion. Ugh, no thank you. They get out the big old pepper cracker for, for power. They just say when.

Yeah, they're just comically like looking back and forth at each other. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. I'll tell you when. Great big pile of power pepper on their plate. It looks, it looks frankly, inedible at this point, but they're like, keep it coming. No, that's the way we like it. But you prefer a plentful plate of power pepper. God. All right. Oh, I'm imagining you're one of those like little tongue twisters now. Those are all the words I know that start with pea so it's not getting any better. Peter Policeman picked a pack of power pepper. That kind of thing.

So yeah, I guess, like I said, it's been very frustrating to watch unfold because on one hand you have the Australian media who I think have on a broad level, this doesn't apply to everybody, but on a broad level have generally not made a huge campaign out of trying to restrict the government's power to have like unfettered access to people's records and all that sort of stuff over the last you know ten or twenty years and of course when when this happens to some journalists we have like more than one cartoonist in a newspaper doing a Tienemann Square journalist standing in front of a tank with Peter Dutton in it cartoon. more than one cartoonist in a newspaper doing a Tiananmen Square

journalist standing in front of a tank with Peter Dutton in it cartoon which is like you know when you when you think of what was actually happening in Tiananmen Square to be like that's what's happening to us right now is a bit little on the nose but at the same time what you have happening from from a lot of like opposite ends of the spectrum is people being like oh everybody's making a big deal and acting like acting like this is 1984 or something the police came into the ABC nicely and then they had a cup of coffee

how bad can it be? It's pretty bad. I feel like this one's probably pretty bad. Yeah and apparently the state of the warrants that they have is that the AFP are allowed to access any and all files from the ABC so they're allowed to access their entire like IT system and emails and all that sort of stuff and they are allowed to they're allowed to like alter yeah alter or delete as many files as they want in the course of their investigation I've seen people saying that that's

those laws are there largely because that's how a lot of digital forensics tools will work on a computer is that, you know, to install software and get rid of software and whatever. You have to do that sort of stuff, but obviously that's a very broad remit. So who fucking knows? Yeah. So yeah, so yeah. So yeah, it's been very frustrating to see people like a noted dip shit, Grey Connolly who fancies himself a big time security expert and is on Twitter and on the drama and things like that saying, oh, you know, oh it's just like the Nazis because the police let people like live tweet them doing these raids

and shit. And it's like, well, number one, they're raiding a media organization. Yeah, they're raiding a fucking media organization. And the idea that like, I mean, it's incredibly infuriating to me to have people basically put the proposition forward that have people basically put the proposition forward that as long as the people who do it are nicely dressed and polite, then the thing that they are doing cannot be bad. It's just an absolutely absurd line to take on a position, like, oh, they didn't split

anybody's head open with a fucking trunch in' or like crush anyone's skull under a jack boot. Therefore, it can't be considered an overreach of power? Yeah, I mean it comes back to the old, the argument that sort of we've been having for the last five years or so that it's, it's more important to be, to be nice than it is to, you know, not abuse your power or what have you. Or to be civil, civil is the word. Yeah, yeah, as long as people are all speaking respectfully to each other, then it doesn't matter as much whose rights are getting crushed along the way. Civility politics, baby.

Woo-woove it. What's important is that we both sit, sit nicely with good posture while we're listening to both sides. So yeah, I mean, obviously the other issue with this sort of stuff is that when you see the other argument that I've seen take place here is, oh, well, you know, they're not, they're not raiding these people and they're not publicly raiding these people to, say, either scare members of the media into not covering stories that would be embarrassing to a government, because oddly enough, the only high-profile raids that ever seem to happen are ones that were embarrassing to a conservative government.

Weird. Yeah, the, the AWU Union Office raids were purely just performative, hey, we're going to hassle you and make your life hard for being a union. And both of these ones were stories that were very embarrassing to the government of the day. And so yeah, people saying, oh, you know, they're not doing these raids just because they were embarrassing. They're doing these raids because there was secure information that was leaked, you know, by a member of a government or of a government agency. And that's against the law, so that's why they're doing that. They're doing that because a law was broken. And, apart from the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're they they're they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not th. th. They're not th. They're not th. They're not th. They're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're so that's why they're doing that they're doing that because the law was broken and apart from the fact that like a this type of shit happens all the time and they don't do this as a

result like who remembers that story about the about the filing cabinet full of full of like yeah top-sec secret documents that they just sold, like they were just getting rid of furniture in like, like a defense office. It was full of important documents. Yep, they didn't look at it, they sold it to somebody for like 20 bucks or whatever, a big getting rid of our office furniture sale. wound up in someone's shed, who finally looked in it and said, huh, there seems to be a big treasure trove of secure documents in here.

And that person called the ABC and said, hey, I seem to have this thing. And the ABC came around and had a look, and then they called the government and said, hey, you left your shit, just kind of sitting here, who came back and reclaimed it. I don't recall any big high profile raids being done or arrests being made around who was responsible for that leaking of secure information. No, you see Andrew, that was what we call in the business, an oopsie. Oh. You're allowed to have an oopsie just as long as it, you know, it's leaking, you know, the right kind of information. Or you just didn't feel like checking all of the cabinets. That's also an okay.

That is a lot of work. I mean, I don't know if you guys have ever moved office, but it's sort of like on a Friday afternoon, you've all been out to the pub to have beer, so you're just pushing cabinets around and, you know, someone says put this one here, put that one there. Who's to know which one contains confidential information and which one just has a bunch of your family photos in it? Yeah. Hey, did you check that filing cabinet? Yeah, I guess so?

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So yeah, I mean, obviously, you didn't see any high profile shit around that. So it's, number one, it's very hard to not draw the conclusion that this stuff is at least in some way, shape or form politically motivated. It's about about, you know, setting a precedent, showing people what happens, that sort of thing. But there's also the other aspect to this, which is people who use that logic of saying, oh, well, you know, if somebody, if somebody was concerned, and I think this might have been Greg Connolly's line as well, is that if somebody was concerned that a crime had been committed or something unto ward was happening, there are official channels for dealing with that and they should have reported that internally. Which number one as a type of logic basically completely excludes any sort of required existence for whistleblowers of any type to exist in the world, as though maybe there aren't ever any reasons that reporting a thing

internally is not going to get a satisfactory conclusion. I mean, even as far as all of those changes to laws around, you know, stripping people's rights to privacy and all of that sort of stuff goes, it's, again, it's not exactly hard to see over the last 20 or so years that the political motivation has been, well, we want to have access to this stuff, we want to have unfettered access to all of this stuff. And anybody who disagrees is getting railroaded. Anybody who disagrees is getting painted with the big, with the big, you're a communist.

You don't want our people to be safe brush. All that sort of stuff. And then on top of that, if you're talking about complaints about say how the police handle things, we don't have a great track record in this country of the police handling complaints about things very well. I'm going to go, as far as to say no police in any country in the history of police have had a great track record of investigating themselves. Yeah, which is kind of the problem with

with this in Australia as far as both politicians and state and federal police go is that all of those groups all of their mechanisms for dealing with you know complaints, accusations of impropriety, for dealing with, you know, complaints, accusations of impropriety, unethical, illegal behavior, all of that sort of stuff, is always referred to an internal body to investigate, which always then says either, nah, it's fine, or we have dealt with this internally, which generally means someone got to have a four-week paid holiday and now they're completely reinstated. I mean, I've definitely lost count of how many stories we've covered on this podcast of

like, you know, the police beating the shit out of a disabled pensioner, on camera, and like, you know, getting two weeks paid leave and then just being back in the police. Or even things like we were talking about that court case a while ago, where the QPS officer had stolen like 40 guns from the evidence locker. And they were just like, you've been a bad boy. Don't do it again. And that was the, you've been a bad boy. Don't do it again. And that was the extent of the punishment for him.

So yeah, the idea that anybody should just be following internal processes for this stuff as far as the police goes is fucking laughable and absurd. Because I think as we've seen over and over that's, that's kind of a whole part of the function that the press is supposed to play is exposing things to a public which if they know about them is able to then say as far as as we are concerned as a society. This is not cool. This is unacceptable and we're not on board with it. But I mean I think as we've covered many times on the show, while we kind of in Australia like to think of ourselves as carefree larycans, in actual fact, most Australians are actually just super cops. They're just like super-calling the cops. They've got a big authority boner. So it doesn't really pan out that way?

Yeah, I think, um, I mean, there is an opinion piece here from friend of the show, Peter Credlin, former chief of staff to former Prime Minister and now former MP Tony Abbott. And you know what's weird, is that opinion piece at the bottom, just says she's a Sky News host, an occasional opinion columnist. It just seems like if somebody is like a decade-serving party operative, maybe mention that. Timothy McVay, mathematician. So, yeah, in this piece, Peter has a very obvious line to draw you, which is, Australians have missed the point of the AFP raids, she says.

For much of the last week, a debate has raged about freedom of the press following two raids by the AFP on journalists. The first, on the home of Camber-based journalists, who writes for this newspaper, the second on the ABC. As you'd expect with the media talking about the media, it was all about them. Their freedom. Freedom of the press. Where? Yeah. But let me give you another perspective. That's integrity in government.

The relevant question is not whether the media should be prevented from publishing leaked information. Well, it seems like that's somewhat relevant, you know? Thanks to legislation passed last year, the media have a right to publish if they genuinely think there's a national interest argument for doing so. The real question is whether officials sworn to secrecy

should have a right to leak information a journalist whenever it suits them. Just classic, classic, classic, like, complete oversimplifying of an issue, completely just removing the idea that maybe there are factors that are specific to each of these individual cases to the agency they're taking place in to the people involved. No, someone wakes up in the morning and goes, I feel like doing a little bit of leaking. That might be fun to me. I just feel like it, you know. I just feel like it. I just feel like, you, you, you, you, you, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th th th th th over over over over over over over over, over, over over, over over, over, over, over over thi, over, over, over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over over, over over over over, over over over, over, over over over, over, over, over, over over, over over, over, over, over over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to the people involved? No, someone wakes up in the morning and goes, hmm, I feel like doing a little bit of leaking. That might be fun to me. I just feel like it. You know?

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Well they cost like 10 cents and you get like 24 donuts. Yeah, like a dollar for 24 donuts, it's the dream. Yeah. And they're already stale when they're on the shelf. They're still good. Not if you go in there first thing in the morning, the little plastic containers like steaming up with the freshness of those. I want to see every donut that I eat, I want to see have traveled along that little conveyor belt.

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Disgusting. Where it's basically like, because obviously the cinnamon donut is cinnamon sugar. And so they have a version of it that is just that but without the cinnamon now. Perversion. Perversion. And before we move on, Andrew, I would like to say I meant to say Ted Kaczynski, mathematician, before anyone writes into the show. Yeah, we've got to get another one of those. You're definitely getting one. Way too big a gap. There's going to be a solid, there's going to be a solid like 15 minute gap between those two tweets. The second one, oh, yeah, you can. The guy's just corrected himself. You can absolutely send it to me on Twitter because I'm not

checking my notifications. There you go. Go for Burke. What's Timothy? Oh yeah. No, no back-rounded maths there. Dispointing. I wonder who the smartest serial killer is. Anyway, it's the joker. The freaking joker. It's a freaking joker. Actually a genius. Yeah. Um, all right, so back to Peter Kratlin. Just a side note, sorry, one more thing.

Timothy Vay is not really a serial killer, he's more of a parallel killer. Oh God. Oh boy. Holy fuck. Um, and back to the other stuff, the politics stuff we were doing. Oh, and also the Joker's the smartest serial killer because he has a PhD in sociology. That's right. And that's the smartest thing you can have a PhD. That's right. We should be calling him Dr. Joker. Anyway, it's about whether journalists have the right to leak information, wherever it is. Do we not live in 1984? Yeah. Do they have the right to impulse leak documents?

Unlike most in the media, I've actually had a national security clearance as a chief of staff. That really should have been the lead of this article. Do you think that might colour your opinion somewhat? I have been a part of that apparatus. Therefore I don't think we should criticize it. Yeah, yeah. Especially when, just to finish the sense, unlike most of the media, I have actually had national security clearance as a chief of staff to a prime minister, the highest classification you can hold.

Yeah, like you said Ben, it's very relevant because that is essentially the only reason that is essentially the only reason that anybody ever asks her what the fuck she thinks about anything. It's because that is the only, the only role of note that she she that she she she she she she she she she she she she she she she she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she has that she has that she has that she has that she has what the fuck she thinks about anything is because that is the only the only role of note that she has ever held and nobody ever seems to get into the fact that like that like even the thing that she was successful at which was being Tony Abbott's chief of staff when he was opposition leader and helping him get elected even even that was only kind of successful in a very short-term way. It was like extremely strategically bad to just say, the only thing we'll do is not have any policies and promise to give everybody

money without cutting any services or raising any taxesxes and then we'll get elected and then immediately just do all of those things which is why Tony Abbott and Peter Credlin along with him got dumped like less than halfway through his first term but no she's she's a guru let's get her her important thoughts Peter says these clearances are not easy to get. Your life is trawled through, your financial records, acquaintances, every address you've ever lived, every country you've ever visited. What kind of VR pornography you're downloading from the Steam store? All that kind of thing.

They're definitely getting into grosser shit than like every country you've visited. Then there's five security interviews to ensure you're the sort of person Australia can trust to receive sensitive information. Good Lord. Yeah, are you a Samantha, a Carrie? Oh, they're all, they're all just like some type of buzzfeed quiz. Which G.O.T. characters, penis are you based on your astrological sign? Yeah. Yep, that one. I'm Tormans. Dark room, spotlight over the top of you Which Disney princess are you? Take the BuzzFeed quiz Yes.

And it should be like this. After all, there are people working for us and our allies who do the dangerous work to get us the information in these documents and briefings that we need to keep Australian safe. That's why we can't turn a blind eye to Commonwealth employees leaking security information they are required to keep secret. Good government would be impossible if public servants were perfectly at liberty to leak anything that a journalist might be interested in or that they personally didn't like. That's my favorite like reduction of what's happening here.

Didn't like it. Oh you personally think war crimes are bad, so you've got to take it out on the whole government. Yep, you're just, you just go in town and everybody. Yeah, like, like these, like these things like, you know, covering up war crimes are like a difference of opinion type thing. So she says good government would be impossible, blah blah blah, blah, they didn't like. When journalist gets secret government documents, it's right that the leak be investigated, and police raids might be necessary not to crack down on the media, but to crack down on people with the relevant security classification who know the rules but have broken them. There is a place for the genuine whistleblower.

Oh, and that should definitely be determined by someone. What's genuine and what's not? Like the nurse who exposed Queensland's Dr. Death. Uh-huh. Let's just let that one sink in. My dad got treated that hospital while he was there, Dr. Death. Older Dr. Death. Unfortunately named. Yeah, I think that should have been a giveaway. You walk into a guy's office, when you walk into a guy's office and there's a big degree on the wall behind him that says, you know, congratulations. Steve Death, PhD.

U.S.Q. I also note that like one of the only, the only things that she can think of that is, is like a relevant true, genuine whistleblower is something that has nothing to do with the operations of the government or the government's security apparatus. Hmm. And is not embarrassing to a federal government government in any to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their there's there's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. U. U. U. U. U. U. U. U.S.S.S.S.S. U.S.S.S.S.S. their their their their the.S.S. their their their the.S.S.S. their their their their their their their their their their of the government or the government's security apparatus? And is not embarrassing to a federal government in any way? So her answer to who watches the watchman is a nurse. Yes. Yes. I believe that's it. She says we already have in place laws that protect people making things public that should never stay hidden. But that's not what this is about.

Hmm. I feel like it... Like that is what this is about? That is what it's about. That's just my opinion. Um, Anika Smeather's story published in this paper, 14 months ago, I like that she keeps referring to the fact that it's a journalist from this paper and you know someone that's published it in this paper as though it's it's proving her impartiality in the

story. It's almost like they're also trying to have it both ways. We bravely published this and also she should go to jail. Well, I mean, you know, obviously she's also, I think the other line that she's trying to draw here repeatedly is that Anacus Methurst's home being raided by a whole bunch of AFP who then go through everything of hers and all of her records and all that sort of stuff, is somehow not affecting Anacus Methas? Like, oh, it's not about her. It's nothing to do with her. We're just trying to find out where the league came from.

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Maybe for some of those people, somebody would say, hey, I got a hot tip about some like secret government shit to be like, no, I'm gonna stick with doctor death stories. You know, Peter said that was all right. So she says, Annex Smeather's story published in his paper 14 months ago detailed a proposal from officials to change access to the private communications, emails, text messages, etc. of Australians. At present they can only be accessed with a warrant from a magistrate or other judicial officer and only if a person is suspected of a crime. The public service proposal was to reduce the threshold for the warrant from a magistrate to a government minister. Oh! Huh. How about that? And it never went anywhere as the

relevant ministers rejected it and the idea went into the bin. That is, until someone leaked it to Smethurst. I wonder which minister was asking for this unfettered access. Wow. Hmm. One can only imagine. The media has a legitimate role to, scare quotes, speak truth to power. And to expose misdeeds that perpetrators in high places would prefer to stay hidden. I respect that role.

Wink! But ministers and officials have got to be able to work up ideas and debate them internally without fear that these confidential discussions will be leaked. Got to have the debate about war crimes. Gotta have a safe space to talk about it. Is that what we're saying? Yeah, this is kind of the thing where like, when, um, because there's been precedent in Australia around like, um,

cabinet in confidence discussions for things, you know, around that sort of never being released. And I think it was once Abbott got in that he He released Documents like from the Rudd government around like their cabinet discussions around like like probably around one of his fucking pet things that he had a big boner about like like the pink bath stuff or something like that I can't remember specifically what it was but but basically just like wrecking that precedent anyway. So it's funny that it would have been under her guidance that the precedent for cabinet ministers being able to discuss something without it being shown to the media was trashed. Almost as if Peter Cradle and herself played an enormously large part in making political

discourse in this country way, way, way more partisan. Boy, that is very interesting. Huh, weird. Says, if government agrees to take them up by all means they should be subject to scrutiny but not before, otherwise we'll never look at new ways to combat the threat of terrorism to break, to break online pedophile rings or to bust drug cartels for instance for fear of leaks. Right. Well that ever-present threat of terrorism that we're constantly dealing with. Yeah and I yeah like obviously I completely disagree with the idea that like the only thing that matters is whether or not

something was actually taken up and made law or was finally sort of attempted to be passed in government, you know? Yeah, never mind trying to give the legislative arm of government judicial powers. Does she have a, does she forward an opinion on what should have come out of that rejected legislature? Well, I guess, what did she have there? It never went anywhere as the minister rejected it and the idea went into the bin. So she doesn't say whether or not she thinks it was a good thing.

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But yeah, like I said, I mean, the fact that the government have the power to say, we're just going to come into the ABC's officers and have unfettered access to absolutely all of their records, that is somehow just not related to the ABC. Like that has no impact, no material or psychological or any kind of impact on the ABC and their ability to do particular types of work. I mean, you know, any and all of this would this this would this would this would this would this would this would this would th th th this would th th th th th th th th th th their ability to do particular types of work. I mean, you know, any and all of this would also be slightly more believable if like Peter Kredlin wasn't also one of these people who has constantly advanced the idea that any member of the media establishment of which she is somehow not included despite being a highly paid Sky News presenter and opinion piece writer in the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thin, thin, thin, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, and, the, and, the, the, and, the, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, presenter and opinion piece writer in the

nation's most widely purchased newspaper. Somehow she doesn't belong to that class. But yeah she she thinks that this doesn't, oh so yeah she's one of the people who has been advancing this view the whole time of, like, the Trump style. Oh, all the media are just elites who think they know better than you and all need to shut the fuck up. And of course, the general, like, long-term demonization of the ABC of our public broadcaster as operating against the against the interests and the will of the Australian public and needing to have their funding cut and needing to be put under the microscope all the time. So it's very funny to see members of members of the liberals and and the conservative establishment suddenly acting like like oh like oh oh! the the the the, oh! the the, like oh! the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they-a, they-a, they-a, they-a, they.a, the, the, members of the liberals and and the conservative establishment

suddenly acting like like oh of course we're all big supporters of the press freedom and the ABC and everything it's like you spend all your fucking time talking about how the ABC is actively working against the interests of the government and Australians and needing to be punished for it. So you know it's all going great. It's going well. It's all going good you love to

see it. But you know a lot of journalists have all been coming together and saying this is not good all of a sudden we can see what the negative impacts of this endless overreach has been. Even friend of the show, Penis Wackerman. Penis. You've done it. You finally did it. You've had a principle for the first time in your entire life. Incredible. The Australian's Pierce Ackerman says Scott Morrison should back freedom of the press. No ifs or but Scott Morrison, the buck stops with you. The election's over. The election's the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, this this this this this this this this this this this. This this is this is this is this is this is this is the show, this is the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the the show, the show, the the the the the the the the the the the the the show, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis, penis the show the show, penis, penis the show the show the show, penis the the the the the the the the the show the show the show the show the show the show the show the show the the should back freedom of the press. No ifs or but Scott Morrison, the buck stops with you.

The election's over. You won. You've been congratulated and you've had your international lap of honor, but your responses to the totally justified serial questioning you have received over the past week about attacks on press freedom have been flaccid at best. Flacid. Little, little dick Scotty. It's not a word I would ever use in a serious context. Flacid. But they really amount to nothing but despicable weasely sophistry. Arse covering and it stinks. He is going in!

Jesus. Good Lord. My Sunday telegraph colleague Anika Sm Smithers had to endure the embarrassment of a team of Australian Federal Police rummaging through her underwear drawers and inspecting her kitchen appliances in their search for material which may have identified a leaker or leakers of documents within a number of departments. I think that that paragraph really, for me sums up his whole reason for being mad. Because injustices are absolutely fine and can be rationalized in any way possible,

except when they happen to me or fellow members of my class, in which case, then it's warf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it happened to my friend. Suddenly it's bad. It makes me think of like I remember I remember knowing people like you know people I worked with and stuff like that years ago. People who who who... I remember like a girl that I knew years and years ago where like she was just very normal and nice and everything and then like her boyfriend at the time like got robbed by an aboriginal guy and suddenly she was like, all aboriginal people are terrible, please got to do something about this and I was like, huh? Interesting. Yeah, I was like, hey it's almost as though you have had a single, that-a-a-s'-a-who' tho, th, th, thu, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, she th, she th, she's th, she's th, she's th, she's just just just just just just th, she's just th, she's just th, she's just th, she was just just just just just just just just just th, she was just th, she was just just just just just just just th th th th th th thi, she thi, she thi, she thi, she thi, she thi, she thi, thi, thi, Yeah, it was like, hey, it's almost as though you have had a single third party experience

to do with one one member of one entire group and suddenly have a very strong opinion about all of them. I appreciate that Pierce's first connection that he can draw here is they went through her panties. Why was he thinking about this, dude? I'm not sure that they did. Yeah, Pierce is right in his piece, he's like, oh, just imagine how. Imagine how embarrassed you would have been red face and flustered as the police picked up,

item after item of lacy, slinky underwear. He's getting all sweaty at his old school typewriter. Oh, ugh. Didn't like that. Didn't like that. My goodness. Over at the ABC, the same authority spent more than electronic files and downloading more than...

fucking Dr. Evil Evil ass shit. E-files. Electronic mail. Downloading more than 9,000 documents which may have been covered by an extremely broad-ranging warrant which gave them approval to quote add, copy, delete or alter material in the ABC's computers. Over a year ago, Smithers revealed, defense secretary, delete, or alter material in the ABC's computers. Over a year ago, Smith has revealed Defense Secretary Greg Moriati and Home Affairs Secretary

Mike Pizzullo. Greg Moriarty. Moriati. Moriati. Nice evil name. That sounds trustworthy to me. Defense Secretary, Professor Marriatti and Home Affairs Secretary Mike Pizzolo were discussing how the Australian Signals Director could be used domestically to fight cybercrime.

I hate cybercrime. It's the worst kind. Nobody has ever been hurt by cyber crime. It is a thing that is... Like, we don't even have nuclear reactors to shut down. Well, it sounds like you haven't seen the Michael Mann movie Black Hat. Oh, no, no, so, so, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Australian, the the the the the the Australian, the the Australian, the Australian, the Australian, the Australian, the Australian, the Australian the Australian the Australian the Australian th the Australian the Australian thi- thi- thi- thi- th th th th thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th even have nuclear reactors to shut down. Well, it sounds like you haven't seen the Michael Man movie Black Hat. Oh no, someone hacked into Brisbane City Council's network and turned off the lights on the story bridge. Someone's gonna hack a to your gaming computer and turn off your CPU fan,

and then you're fucking linked, fucking twin, I don't know what good graphics cards anymore are I lost track after the 7600 GT but whatever you got they're gonna melt together. Okay well first of all I think I've got a 1060 GTX and second of all I need that for machine learning so please do not melt it through my floor. Pierce says technically it meant that the government would have had the power to spy on ordinary citizens had the suggestion proceeded to legislation and been enacted. The ABC is being put through the ringer over a series of stories that carried two years

ago on allegations of war crimes committed by Australian Special Forces in Afghanistan in 2011 and 2012. A thing that has been helpfully excluded by both of these, by both of these opinion pieces, is that the story about allegations of war crimes by Australian Special Forces in Afghanistan, that a member of that unit was Andrew Hastie, who is now a sitting MP in the governing Liberal Party. He sure is. Yeah, so, yeah, the fact that a member of the government is the subject of this investigation of alleged war crimes never seems to kind of come up when anybody's talking about this

in terms of whether or not that has potentially played a motivation and them saying this is an embarrassment to us and someone needs to need to get the fucking hammer. Also I'm pretty sure Pierce Ackerman's opinion on that in particular would be that it's just boys being boys. That's true. That's true. If you go back to one of our previous penis whack-and episodes, you will find that Pierce is just fervently defending the right of Australian soldiers to fly the Nazi flag in Afghanistan. Because it's just a bit of fun. War crimes, but just for the lads. Well, okay, the good news here in Andrew Hastie's defense is that one of the soldiers under his command was found cutting the hands off dead Taliban fighters,

Hastie did reported up the chain of command, so well done. You said, hey, come on. Hey, mate, knock it off! Put down the bone saw. He said, hey, buddy, hey, ha, hands off. Ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha! Hasty, hey, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they's, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haa, haa, ha, haa, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, hey, come on. Hey, mate, knock it off. Put down the bone saw. He said, uh, hey, hands off. Anyway, a former defense lawyer, Devon McBride was charged two months ago with five counts of leaking classified information which were alleged to have formed the basis of the reports and has been committed to stand trial. Acting AFP Commissioner Neil Gorn has denied the raids were politically influenced or timed around the federal election, saying the back-to-back raids were a matter of efficiently using resources. Uh-huh.

That may be, but the timing is certainly suspicious, as is the post-election release of other information relating to asylum-seeker both stopped or turned around at sea. Yeah, it's weird how all of a sudden, like, the the the the the the the thiiiiiiiii. they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they. they're they. they. they're they. they. they. they. they. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to to to to to to to to to to to to to ti. tied. ttttied. tttttttrie. tied. ttttied. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th to asylum-seeker boats stopped or turned around at sea. Yeah, it's weird how all of a sudden, like right after the election, they released all this information like, oh by the way, we're not going to have a budget surplus. Oh, by the way, we're not going to be able to pass all of the tax cuts that were the entire basis of our election campaign. Made it all up. Didn't happen. By the way, we've also been intercepting lots of boats at sea, where having stopped the boats was another big platform of our election campaign. Yeah, and investigating journalists for things which were embarrassing to us, weirdly only

happened right after the election. But that's just efficient use of resources. How national security, the basis upon which the legislation enabling the AFP raids to take place has been affected by stories which appeared so long ago, is difficult to fathom, and thus it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the week's heavy-handed intimidatory intrusions were attempts to bludge in the media into submission. In a democracy, as Australia likes to proudly boast it is, transparency should be the first order of government, but we lag behind many other First World Nations in this regard.

Pierce, getting something right. This is fucked up. Yeah, it's true. We absolutely don't have any of the kind of whistleblower protections that, like many of the countries that we compare ourselves to. Our protection is extremely weak when compared to, you know, European countries and other kind of countries in the OECD. Because we are super cops. Because we are super cops. Super cops, super cops.

The US has freedom of speech in its constitution and by extension freedom of the press. Embedding various rights in our own constitution now would open it up to becoming a lawyer's picnic. Clearly the time for serious protections for speech and the press to be enacted in law is long overdue. Mr. Morrison, it is trade right right right right right right right right right right right right right right to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the press to be enacted in law is long overdue. Mr. Morrison, it is trite to tell reporters on the other side of the world that you uphold what is lawful when it is apparent to all the law urgently needs reform. You can support the law as a concept but still be cognizant of its weaknesses and back a review. Yeah and this is this is of course the other big point about this is I think th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that it's thi. thi. that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm just just just just just just just just just just theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. to to other big point about this is I think that it's just fucking absurd when people take this line as several public commentators have about this, which is, oh,

it's nothing to do with the ABC or with Anacus Smithers, it's nothing to do with anything else. It is simply just the cops doing cop work and enforcing the laws because we have a law that says they have to do this so they do it which again just completely completely strips away all context and all ideas of like is the law actually appropriate in this particular case like something I find incredibly frustrating is every time a political argument devolves to like, well, that is the law. That's the law.

It's legal. Yep. Barefoot, there's legal. If the law wasn't right, it wouldn't be law. Yes, yes. The law is the way in which we tell things are right. Therefore, that's correct. Yes, as though, as tho like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the way the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.e.e.e. thoooooooooooooo. thoo. Yes, as though, as though like the entire purpose of a government isn't to constantly be like passing and changing legislation over time?

Hmm. Pierce continues, grilling, Scotty. You said you were unable to gauge public opinion from the shores of the English Channel, and you are paying tribute to the heroes of D-Day, but you have a staff rather too large to be effectual, it would appear to keep you informed. Perhaps you're hoping that this is an issue that only resonates within the bubble. For some decades I have rallied against the secrecy that pervades our court system through its iniquitous suppression orders that magistrates and judges have used to cloak their processes across

the country to the detriment of the fundamental right to an open justice system. Taking on the media may even win you some supporters but it would be a most short-sighted tactic. Even the most virulent haters of the press to the the the media to the the themiress mightm. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tooeckr.m is is is tooeck is tooes might might might mightr.m. tooomb-of is tooomb. toe. toe. toe. toe. to be will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will willn.-n.-n.-n.-n.-n.-n.-n.-n.auuuuuu.-n.-n.-n.-nea-nea-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n't-n't-a-a-n't-a-a-n't-a-a-a-a-a-n't-a-a-a-a-a-n-n-au-n-au-n-n-n-eau-earnoo-e is eventually silenced. After several days of consideration you stated, my government is absolutely committed to the freedom of the press. Now show that you are fair dinkham. End of fucking article with fair tinkum. Jesus, crazy. Show that you are fair dickam.

Shut the fuck up. Prove it, prove it to me. But there you go, shout out to a friend of the show you you found friend of the show clock right twice a day etc worst person you know made a good point blah blah mm-hmm penis whackerman bring in the heat to Scotty Morrison but uh yeah so it is interesting to see that even like you know the the the heat to Scotty Morrison to the the to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the the the to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. thoooooo the the the the the the the the the the the the thto Scotty Morrison. But yeah, so it is interesting to see that even even like you know Andrew Bolt and Pierce Ackerman and all these different

people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's maybe put the brakes on this for a second. I think there's one thing that we can all be comfortably assured of and that that is that nothing is going to change as a result of this. No, absolutely not. And also that the only reason these people are actually taking a stand against something against maybe the line that they would normally be taking for commercial reasons is it because it affects them personally because the media really cares about shit that happens

to the media. Sure do. Well I guess the only the only the only the o the only the only the other the o the other the other the o to the media. Yeah. Sure do. Well I guess the only other potential, the only other potential like good thing I think that that might happen as a result of this is yeah just just the potential that this will result in like news corp papers and opinion writers giving less of a free pass to the conservative government for absolutely everything? It's a nice idea. It's a nice idea. I mean I'm sure it won't bear out of a time but again I don't I don't understand like how how quickly all of these different journals and opinion

writers can just do a complete 180 on this thing and be like, hey, we support our colleagues at the ABC and Freedom of Press. Again, like you said, Ben, now that it's something that directly affects us collectively as a class, as opposed to in our separate silos as private and public and as competitors in the field of journalism or media because, of course, like as competitors in the field of journalism or media because of course like we said the like I don't understand much much like you know much like Andrew Bolton and people like that immediately doubling down and everything in the wake of the Christ Church shooter and saying hey

we may spend absolutely all of our time, like mainstreaming ethno-nationalist talking points. But just because this person said that he repeated all of the things that we are constantly saying in our columns before killing a bunch of brown people doesn't mean that we have any kind of responsibility for it. Very similar thing here where we are talking about newspapers here thi a bunch of brown people doesn't mean that we have any kind of responsibility for it. Very similar thing here where we are talking about newspapers here that make a huge part of their standard stock and trade to demonize the ABC to insist that the ABC is actively working against the interests of the government, against the interest of taxpayers, against

the interest of members of the public, that the ABC should be defunded, that the ABC should have, you know, more right-wing people installed on its board to balance its editorial direction, meaning align it with our own, all that kind of shit. You're right, but what about his colleague's panties? That's true, that's true. You gotta answer that. She had to watch as they took each pair out one by one. Held them to their face and breathed deeply. Breathe deeply. They picked them all up in both hands and threw them up in the air, watching as they cascaded down, little silky parachutes. This is just going to be a totally separate book that Pierce puts out at this point.

Which, um, which, was it an Australian MP or was it a journalist who wrote like the, it was an Australian MP who wrote like the weird, like, um, sexy book? Who was that? I can't remember. Oh, that wrote that wrote the crime thriller that had the really bad sex scenes in it. Yeah. That was fantastic. I can't remember who it was. God damn it. Folks if you remember who wrote the sexy crime thriller. It's the only thing you can tweet us about from this episode. Please tweet out us at Buntavista or send an email into hey you guys at Buentevista.com. And if and if and if and if. And if if if if. And if. And if. And if. And if. And if. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. That's. That's. That's. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. That's. th. th. th. th. th. to. I th. I th. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. I. That's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. That's. That's. I. That's. I. I. That's. That's. I. I. I'll. It. I'll. I'll. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the the the the the the the the th. t. tweet out us at Buntavista or send an email into hey you guys at Buntavista.com And if you can correctly identify the appropriate author we will do a reading from that book next week.

And that's about all we got time for this week. Unless Ben you wanted a quick two minutes on the big foot files. I would love to have a quick two minute on the big foot files. Go for as I often tell my, two minutes is all I need. Oh, hey. Osk. So, a couple of days ago, the FBI dropped a, they're like, the FBI vault, what do they call it? They've got a, the FBI records vault, dropped a very unsuspecting tweet, out into the ether that's simply read Bigfoot colon. Two words, Bigfoot colon. No, just Bigfoot and then a link to Volt.

to Valt.Fi.gov, slash Bigfoot, which links to a PDF labeled Bigfoot Part 1 of 1. You open that up and then what you get is 22 pages of what is supposedly all of the records and documentation that the FBI has made regarding to the creature known as Bigfoot. Now, when I hear FBI Records Vault, Bigfoot files, what I presume this is going to be is the minutes of meetings where they discuss how they put a psychic beacon up in the woods, broadcasting a hypnotic message, convincing Bigfoot to take up arms and assassinate JFK.

Like any reasonable person, that's immediately where my mind went. But I think they're keeping that stuff classified for obvious reasons. This is entirely at exchange between one man and the FBI about getting some Bigfoot fur tested in the 70s, I believe this happened in 76. So the end of 76, start of 77, there's a chain of email, sorry no, not email, letter correspondence, where a guy essentially writes it and says, hey, so, I was reading this book. This book was the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Washington

Environment Atlas 1975. And this atlas had a passing reference to it at some point, saying that the FBI had done tests of big foot fur and found them to match them to it at some point, saying that the FBI had done tests of Bigfoot fur and found them to match no other kinds of fur. So this guy who is riding on behalf of an organization called the Bigfoot Information Center in Exhibition in Oregon, they have some fur they can't identify. Usually they have a pretty good time being like, oh, we know what animal it is. It's fine. So he's got this fur. He writes it to the FBI and he says, hey, I saw it in this book that you guys test fur to see if it's big foot or not.

And he stresses that this is, you know, like a scientific thing. It's to be taken very seriously. This paragraph here is fucking fantastic to me. Please understand that our research here is serious. That this is a serious question that needs answering, and that an examination of hair, or the opposite, by the FBI, does not in any way, as far as we are concerned, suggests that the FBI is associated with our project or confirms in any way the possibility of the existence of the creature, bracket, S, bracket, known as Bigfoot.

So he's like, hey, this is not going to be weird, all right? You just test it and it doesn't, you guys, it doesn't reflect on you at any way, just please test our big foot hair. And then there there there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's the their their their is th. th. thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus, thus, thus, thus. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thus, to to to to to to to to to to toooooo toe too too too too too toe too too toe. the. the. the. hair. And then there's a chain of internal documents of people being like, look I'm passing this onto your desk as far as we know we have never ever tested fur to see if it's big foot or not. We have no idea where it comes from. We don't have a series of extensive, exhaustive big foot tests. No. And then they write back to the guy, they're like, hey, we've actually had a bunch of people right into us about this. We have never tested Bigfoot fur. But we're going to do it anyway.

So they send the fur off to the lab. It gets tested, and then they find out it's deer fur. And then they send the guy's fur back to him because he asked that they did so. And then they're like, well, thanks for writing in, and that is the whole thing. That is the FBI's big foot vault opened fully up. I really like that the guy specified in the thing. Look, whatever happens, you're not keeping that fur. Please give me the fur. Big foot or no, this is some important fur. Sir, I'm going to need you to return to my big foot fur.

It's deer fur. Yeah, give the big foot fur back. Oh, also that when the FBI initially wrote back to the guy that wrote in, he was in Nepal, presumably, but I can only assume hunting Yetis. That's got to be the only thing he possibly could have been doing there in the 70s That's fair Well, there you go folks that's what's happening with the the FBI's bigfoot file and that's what's been happening with us. I guess cops are useful sometimes thi, this is the one time the important things. Yeah, this is us trying to be fair and balanced. to be tha. tha. tha. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. important things. Yeah, this is us trying to be fair and balanced. So not all bad. I guess crime pass for this week. If you have any sort of top-secret clearance or you're under any sort of NDA or

you're privy to some sort of privileged information that shouldn't leave your hands and end up in the public. It's perfectly fine for you to do so. Just get it out there. Just leak whatever you got. Doesn't really matter what it's about if it's about government corruption, corporate greed, even if it's nothing important. Just leak, whatever you've got. Use... It would be nice if it was about the Bunyip. If you've got Bunyip data. Especially if it's Bunyip related.

That'd be great. You can use Signal. If you have ASEO's Bunyip file, please. Please, please release it to the public. The public needs to know. Yeah, dropbox it. whatever you gotta do. Hmm. Well, they have it, folks. As always, if you would like an extra bonus episode every week, you can head on over to Patreon.com forward slash Bunta Vista. Sign up. Sign up, gets your access to our discord with all of our beautiful listeners, we're always in there, having a chat, having a yarn, posting weird stuff. I don't get into it. I'm not trying to get in there. Get all filthy with those people. They have just posted an image. I'm just going to copy this into the messenger if you guys are all able to

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