Boonta Vista - EPISODE 108: Get To Titan!

Episode Date: July 23, 2019

Andrew, Ben & Theo are here to discuss the many tempting benefits of leaving your life as you know it behind, and travelling to a mysterious destination among the stars. A new life awaits on Titan! So many glories to behold and sights to be seen! But you mustn't wait. There isn't time to say goodbye. You MUST get to Titan. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Merchandise available at: boontavista.com/merchandise *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Spotify: spoti.fi/2DBCXGA Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Bud DeVista, episode 108? Oh no. How we... Yeah, well, I feel like it was two episodes since the fuck up, and the fuck up was 106. So that sounds right to me. But you've got 107 on the channel. Yeah, so that's... That's going to be a problem for me to sort out later on, I guess. It's never been a problem for me.

I was not going to be a problem for me either. See, but I pick up a microphone, I lay down some words, yeah, I put the microphone down, I never think about it. Many of those words are given to us by Andrew who has produced the articles in the chat. True. Yes. Seems like a good system. How is your intro going so far would you say? Great. So yeah, welcome to episode 108 degrees Fahrenheit is the internal temperature at which the human body's vital organs begin to fail from overheating. More and

more every day. Stay out of the sun, you know? Stay out of the earth, which keeps getting hotter and hotter all the time. You know what I've heard great things about what? Titan? It's a moon of, Is it one of Jupiter's moons, Theo? Yeah, I believe so. I mean, look, if it isn't, no one would know anyway. No, there's no way to... Satin, right? No, oh. I'm not googling it, and I'm not stalling for time by saying that I'm not googling it. Welcome to episode 108. Moon of Saturn, for fuck's sake. stalling for time by saying that I'm not googling it. Welcome to episode 108. Moon of Saturn for fuck sake. But I have been hearing good things about Titan.

Potentially it's got subsurface water? Yeah. And all the astronauts that go there, they kind of come back and they land in the rocket ship on Earth and you kind of see them at the distance almost out of the corner, right? And they're beckoning you to get on the rocket and go to Titan and they're just saying look it's it's great over there all the problems will go on Titan you just have to jump on the rocket and come to Titan they seem like really excited about it they seem so excited almost I was infectious frantic like there's almost a real sense of like leave, leave everything behind. Yeah. Don't worry about your friends of family. Just come. Bring your body to tighten and admittedly the phrasing is weird. Yeah, and after a while you

won't need your body anymore. And that's the great thing I'm told. But we need your body, and it's unclear who they mean by we. But it is needed on Titan. Well, you need to get your body to Titan. Or under Titan. Deep down in the murky depths, near the core of Titan, you've got to get your body there. It's so not so warm there. 1008 degrees.

Just get on a ship. Most concerning thing to me about these astronauts, the jet black eyes. No, don't worry about that. Why would you worry about that? That's space eyes, and it makes sense if you think about it from scientific perspective. It's actually better that way. And then stop thinking about it right after that. Uh-huh. Welcome to episode 108, where we take a nice trip to Titan. I'm Andrew.

I'm here with Ben. Hello, Ben. Hello. I figure we should introduce ourselves at some point. I've heard that's a good podcast practice, because this could be your first episode. Ooh, sorry. Sorry if it is. And you don't want to be listening to three, nearly, you know, if you were hearing these three voices for the first time, you'd really want to put names to them before you could no longer tell the difference between them for the entire episode. Which happens a bizarre amount by the way.

Well, I think most voices, all voices sound the same. I'm going to say it. And mine I think sounds very normal. It's almost too deep. Well, that's Theo. That's Theo that Ben is talking to. That's a third person. How are you, Andrew? I'm Andrew and I'm good. Yeah, look, we can try and get into this professional podcast introduction kind of thing.

I've heard other people be like, hey, this is my full name and where you can find me on Twitter. It's very formal. It's very formal. Whereas I feel like we all have too many followers for our own like personal level. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like we've all accepted now that however many followers we have is too many to live out of good life and there's simply no point in directing more people to our horrible cursed page. Ten would be nice. That'd be the dream. I mean,

ten followers. Yeah, there'd be you guys. so that's three including Lucy, my mom maybe. Oh, your mom's on Twitter. No, no, no, but I'm just... Oh, like your hypothetical best followers in all the world, one of them is your mom. That's quite sweet. Absolutely. I would still tweet about um, shitting. Mm-hmm. Diarria. Diary. Yeahto have diarrhea. Yeah. Dreaming of one day going back to just having your regular old diarrhea that you normally have. That needle really swings wildly, doesn't the? The old shit is non-shit. I just don't know if it's going to be... I don't know if

that's a particularly reliable sentiment to everyone. I've taken the glasses off and I'm just rubbing at the bridge of my nose right now. Welcome to Budavista. It's, oh what is it, it's politics, it's comedy. It's episode 107. It's episode 109. Go to Titan. Take your body there, take your pets. Go right now. Hey, have you got some biomass, laying around the house? Yeah. Swim down beyond the reach of the faint and distant sun.

Take all of the dogs you can fit under your arms. Scoop your goldfish out of the bowl. Shove me near pockets and get on the rocket. Your fash is needed on time. Go to your dearest pet shelter and get everything you can. Oh dear. What about like, do you think the astronauts on time would be interested in like, you know those giant, like fleshy flowers?

Like corpse flowers? Yeah, yeah. Like those ones the ones that open up every now and then stink like flesh and look big and meaty. Are they actually meaty enough? I mean, I don't know how it's supposed to eat it. You could try. There's a, there's two of them in, I think Adelaideide, that every now and then will open up and they let everyone come in and smell some really stinky smells.

I let the flour lit a rip. Yep. Get them all in the room there. Yeah, they get everyone in the room and then the flower just honks one off. Flour just cutting the cheese. Oh, nope. They've only got one corpse, flour. Oh, disappointing.

No reason to go to Adelaide. Go to Titan. Hearing great things about Titan. I'm hearing the siren call. The sirens of Titan perhaps? Is that a thing? Oh, it's a thing. It's like Kurt Vonnegut novel.

Sorry, I thought that was. They just buttoned hold really nicely, but... Not one of the two that I've read. It's a good one. That's right, folks. I'm going to get that book. Just make a note of books to buy. Oh, I'm here for politics.

And what a regular dumb week in politics it's been. We have a proud Prime Minister, Scotty Scomo Morrison, making some announcements today about some anti-suicide measures. He says suicide takes far too many Australians devastating families and local communities One life lost a suicide is one too many which is why my government is working towards a zero suicide goal Which like? It seems kind of similar to me to the whole like? Zero road toll kind of move, where it's admirable, but come on, that's not really going to happen. But a lot of people immediately pointed out about this, that I guess maybe they should

consider changing like their many policies that drive people to suicide some of them seemingly deliberately Yeah, the um, I think when they posted the The video on on Twitter initially has something like one and a half thousand replies on it all of them Basically, the badeum how about you tong my ringhole? Scotty and which is a fair point? Which is a fair point? their point? that? Which is a fair point?? the? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them them them them them them them? them? them? them? them them them them them them them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them? them them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? their? their? their? their? their? their? their? their? their? their? their? their? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? them? basically verbatim, how about you, tongue my ringhole, Scotty? Which is a fair point. Which is, honestly, I mean, it's one of the best points out there. But mostly they're just pointing out, as you said, perhaps, maybe, if you want to reduce the suicide rate, you need to make material changes to the quality

of the most vulnerable people's lives, like raising New Start and ending the ridiculous robo-debt debacle and maybe not jailing people for trying to come here by boat. Who are people who are actively and continually trying to kill themselves. Yep, and some of them quite successfully manage to kill themselves. People self-immolating because of the conditions that they've very, very deliberately created for them. They're in those third-party countries. They host stuff in. But instead of raising New Start, he's rejected calls to raise New Start saying, my God, this is like, this is embarrassing to read out. I'm turning beat red from reading this out right now.

So I'm embarrassed. So he says here is a quote from him. He ruled out any change beyond the six-monthly indexation change which last added just 30 cents a day to the $2.75 a week base payment, increasing it by just over $2. So bearing in mind that the uh... new start payment currently is below the poverty line uh... and he says on this quote more importantly for those who are on new start well over ninety percent about ninety nine percent of people who are on new start are actually on other forms of payments as well Morrison said

which uh... as i have seen welfare advocates pointing out on online is a thing that they've taken to saying lately because they now have that like energy, that energy dividend payment thing that they do? Yep to help you pay your power bills and everybody gets whatever it is 60 bucks a year or something I can't remember what it was but they give it to everybody in the country, which means that they can now use this language of saying 99% of people in the country are already receiving some form of benefit from the government. Mm-hmm. So, particularly cynical.

But I can use this benefit to go and buy like fresh fruit and vegetables and that sort of th., th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, in thi, in thi, in thi, in thi, in thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. their th. their their their their their their their their their thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, can use this benefit to go and buy like fresh fruit and vegetables and that sort of thing, right? It's just electricity that I'm. Well, if you sort of cup your hands underneath, if you cut an opening into your power lines, and come your hands, you can take the electricity that you got that, the rebate for, and then you can just trade that in sort of anywhere for you know food or goods or services or whatever it is you need. So Ben I'm getting I think towards the end of an electrical engineering degree here. Oh so I don't need to explain it any further.

No and I have to say what you've said there is honestly it's so true. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm surprised, but pleasantly surprised here. Bless whoever that was. Sneezing in the background. Certainly George. Uh, little George sneaks. How dare you call her little, you were the same size.

God. I'm so terrified. She's going to suplex me. She probably would. Straight through my floorboards. She's already fucked her eyes up. She's got nothing left to lose. So he goes on to say, after claiming that 99% of people are on other forms of payments, very fraudulently trying to basically claim, oh, these people are getting other forms of support from the government, except not really. He says, it's about getting people into jobs. The latest jobs figures show 20,000 additional full-time jobs. That's good news.

That's great news. More jobs. How good are jobs? They suck. Good job, fucking sucks. I like that it's so fucking clear that it's a completely rhetorical bullshit thing that he's saying that they, like the Guardian hasn't even bothered to put a question mark at the end of that. Yeah, that's fair.

How good are jobs full stop. The man really has ruined saying how good is something. That was one of nature's rare pleasures. The man really has ruined saying how good is something. That was one of nature's rare pleasures. How good is origin footy? Can't say that anymore. How good is the delicious taste of beer? Can't say that anymore.

It's all gone, and he did that. Single-handedly. I'm not happy about it. He does manage to ruin a lot of shit. So he has been you know refusing to raise New Start because why would you want to help people at all? Leaving former Nationals leader and disgraced big red idiot Barnaby Joyce. Just in what in what way has he not managed to disgrace or embarrass himself? I can't think of any.

Well, he hasn't shown up to a press conference wearing an old-timey set of overalls with a big piece of straw between his mouth, and then, as he's making a very important point, the final button on the arse of the ovals kind of pops out and it flies open and then a little to thiart comes out. I don't think at this point he's embarrassed himself in that manner specifically. I don't think he's done that specifically, but everything else up until that point. Well it is a very, that's a very specific thing. I mean you say that, I've seen that, I've that, I've that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that, that, that that that that that that that that that that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theals, thea, thiia, theauoosa, tofea, tofea, tofea, thea, thiauoosa, the of thii, is a very that's a very specific thing. I mean you say that but I've seen that on TV many times. But instead Barnaby Joyce has said they should raise Newstart. Hey! Hey what a crazy idea. If I was a broken clock I would simply be right twice a day. On Thursday Joyce told the

Australian newspaper that Newstarred is quite a hard life and suggested reforming the payment to consider recipients geographical locations to compensate them for higher cost of living in the regions and higher rents in capital cities. If someone's on Newstard in a town like Wobock it's going to cost you 50 dollars to go to Tamworth and do the groceries or go to a job interview, Joyce reportedly said. They live in those places because the rents cheap but the rents cheap because it's a long way from the services. The Morrison government has so far resisted calls to increase the rate of New Start with Treasurer Josh Friedenberg citing the fact

more the fact that more, many New Star recipients receive a fortnightly energy supplement of $8.80 a fortnight. So this of course brings us to an obvious point, which is we also have this week opposition leader Anthony Olbenese mounting a full-throated defense of both the Labour Party voting in favor of the coalition's massive, massive tax cuts and also refusing to commit to raising Newstart. And this is a thing that we've spoken a lot about recently obviously and one of the reasons that they refused to back raising New Start

before the election was obviously that they just didn't want it to be used as a wedge against them. They didn't want the liberals to say, oh, they're gonna tax and spend, they're gonna raise Newstart. And who's gonna pay for that? Old White Grandmothers. Yeah, which I think we talked about like two weeks ago is their Number one reason for doing anything now right in the Labour Party is can this be used as a wedge by the right-wing media and by the opposition or you know the liberal party against us? Well, and in so often the answer is yes and so like oh no, well, that's simply too hard. the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi, that's that's that's thi, that's that's that's that's th. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they's th. they's they's th. th. they's they're they're th. th. th. they're thi, thi's thi's they're thi. the. the. the. the. they're the. they're thi. they're they're they're they're they're th us. And so often the answer is yes and so like, oh no, well that's simply too hard.

And I mean like we can look at what some of Joyce, what Anthony Albanese has said about here, which is that he's from the Australian has launched a staunch defense of Labour's capitulation on the government's full $158 billion tax cut package. It's a good sign when you're several weeks in your leadership and you are launching a staunch defense of your capitulation. He also attacked the Greens as it pressures labor to back its bill to increase Newstart by $150 a fortnight, saying the minor party does

not quote ever have to try and add things up. So he's saying about the tax cuts here. Well, we have to vote in favor to vote in a to vote in a the the the the the to vote in the the the the to vote in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theateateateateateateateateateateateatea.eateateateatea.eatea.eateatea.eateateatement's the.ea. the.. So he's saying about the tax cuts here. Well, we had to vote in favor of it because they refused to split the bill. We wanted to have tax cuts for lower and middle class income, lower and middle income people. We wanted to have tax cuts for them, but they refused to split the bill. So we could either not pass any of it, or we had to pass all of it. And we didn't want to be seen as being against giving people something, so we just voted for all of it. Now obviously there's the problem with this that there isn't actually a compelling argument for across-the-board tax cuts anyway. Like we have one of the lower income tax rates in th, in th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, thi-ta, thi-ta, thi-ta, the the the the thole, the the the, thioli, thiolk, to to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tha, tha, thauuuuu. thauuuuuuuuu thau tha tha, we have one of the lower income tax rates in the world, I believe? In the OECD, we're sort of, we're on the lower side of things.

That's the one, thank you. But again, this is what we talked about. They said, oh, we didn't want to get painted as being against this thing. So we voted in favor of it. And th. And thoee. And th. And th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. And, th. And, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. And, thean, thean, too. And, too. And, toe. And, too. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, against this thing, so we voted in favor of it. And that week, Treasurer Josh Friedenberg was out there saying, and Labor tried to stop us from doing this, but we still did it, even as they worked against us. So it had no fucking effect anyway. No, but it doesn't make any sense. The liberals were holding the football, and they ran towards it and then we're going to kick it. But where did the football go? They said to me, I'll hold the football. I'm going to hold it here. Not like last time.

So yeah, on the one side you have them... Actually, I'm just a backtrack there. I think it would be more accurate to say, the liberal said, we're not going to hold the football here. There's no football. If you're going to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the to tho tho thi tho thi tho thi tho tho tho tho tho to hold the their the their their their their their their their their their their their hold their hold their hold their their the football the football the football the football the football their their the football the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho tho tho tho tholdldld. I thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo their their their their their to hold the football here. There's no football. If you run and kick this, we're going to remove it." And Labor said, fantastic. They're going to run up and kick that football. Yes, very much. Yeah, so on the one hand you have them saying, hey, we had to vote in favor of something because we didn't want to be painted as being against it. And they were immediately painted as being against it anyway. Didn't matter. And then on the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other. And then on the other hand, you have them saying, well, we refuse to commit to doing something because then we'd have to say how we're going to pay for it, and that sort of thing.

And again, didn't happen anyway. So didn't win them any votes by refusing to do anything. And this is kind of something I found myself thinking about today was that this is this is we're trying to mimic This is we're trying to mimic like the liberal parties policies gets them. They're trying to avoid all of this scrutiny And it just doesn't work. What they wind up doing instead is like they say oh, we're not going to commit to raising new start. We're not going to commit to doing to doing th th th to doing th th to doing th to doing th to doing th to doing to doing to doing th to doing to doing to doing to doing to doing to doing th. to doing to doing to doing th. to doing to doing th, to doing to doing to doing thing th. thi to doing to doing to doing to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thiiiiiiii. th. th. th. th. to to th. th. to to to th. to doing to doing th. th. to doing th. to doing th. th. to doing thi. I, thi. thi. I, thin, thin, to to doing thin, to do, to doing. to to to doing. I to to to to to to to to to to thin, to to thin. What they wind up doing instead is like they say, oh we're not going to commit to raising new start. We're not going to commit to doing that. Instead we'll commit to a review of new start in 18 months, which is great stuff. And then somebody from like a couple of people from the liberals of the national say we should

probably put up new start because we're driving people into poverty. And everybody goes, oh, look at them doing the right thing. Look at them actually trying to do the right thing. And like, labor gets nothing from that. They don't get people saying, well at least they didn't commit to something that they couldn't deliver. They don't get fucking anything from it. They don't get credit for dragging the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals to something that they couldn't deliver. They don't get fucking anything from it. They don't get credit for dragging the liberals to the left because they themselves weren't committing to doing it. Like at least if they were like pushing and pushing and pushing them to do it,

and then they finally gave into it, you can say, see, we have been driving this agenda from day one. If you are purely interested in it from the politicking point of view, as opposed to the doing what's right point of view. But they can't do that anyway. And now all of the stories about them are, they're getting fucked up for not putting up a fight on tax cuts, and they're getting fucked up for refusing to commit to raising news start. And it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's their it's their their their their their their their their their thane, thane, thus to to to thus. thia'a'er. theck. theckanan't theck. thia'er. thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes. thoes thoes. thoes thoes thoes thoes to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to tooes'a tooes'a'a'er. tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes'er. thea'a'er. to commit to raising Newstart. And it's weird like him saying that, you know, the Greens is a minority party, they don't need to make it add up.

Well, guess what, you fucking idiot, you are a minority party as well because you lost the election. You are literally in a minority and you don't have to make it add up. But if you do want to make it add up, like all they have to do is show some guts, to make it a hat up. Like all they have to do is show some guts or at least not try and be as down the line as they are with it and just take a leaf out of the coalition's book and just say we're going to do it and you know say that you're going to raise new stuff by $75 a fortnight out of the gate and then do a further and commit to a further review. Right?

Like, there is an amount that will improve people's lives that you can do straight out of the gate without, without, like fully getting down to the nitty gritty of it, signaling both intent and calculation later on. But they don't, it's just terrible retail politics by Labor the entire way through, right? Because they're promising nothing and then agreeing with the coalition. And like, there's no, nobody can see any point to it. And I've seen people that are so, so glued on to labor, just scratching their heads about this whole decision-making process,

and especially after the election loss and the behavior after this, that it just doesn't make any sense. And they clearly think they're being very smart about it and they're being very dumb about it. It's like smart in a way that, I would say dumb in a way that only like very smart people can be. Yeah, I definitely think that there is a, yeah, I think there's a certain amount of like, we're playing this long game, we're, you know, we're the people who really understand

how the game of politics works. And like, I've, I think I've also been particularly disappointed by like seeing, seeing all of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, like, the, the, like, like, like, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they, they, they, they, they, th, the, the, theat, theat, thi, thea, thea, like, the, the And like, I've, I think I've also been particularly disappointed by like seeing, seeing all of the labor operatives coming out and saying like, oh, but they did promise to raise new start. It's like, they fucking didn't. That's what this whole thing is about. This whole thing is about, like, you know, I'm reading from something here that says, the opposition rejected an internal push to that that that that that that that that that that that that that th the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, they will they will they will they will they will, they will, the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thu, thu, thu, thui, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, theeauuui's thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, reading from something here that says the opposition rejected an internal push to tell voters that it will increase the rate of new start, instead standing by its pledge for a review of all welfare payments within 18 months of the labor government, which to my mind is

much more akin to telling people we can guarantee you that nothing will change for at least two years if we are elected. It's like, you know, to explain this maybe in a way everyone can understand, if you're at a, um, it's like you're at the toy shop and you see, um, an action man that you really want and you're like, hey, can't I have this. the greatest hero of all. Yeah, I can't really remember what his whole thing is or if that's his name, but and then you're like, hey can I have this and your parents like oh maybe for Christmas because you know you're not going to get it.

Mm-hmm. Does that, is that like helped clarify it or? I didn't know if that was going to go further but no, that's the whole analogy. Is that? Maybe for Christmas? Maybe if you're good? I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I you're you're you're you're you're you're you're th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. And th. And you. And you. And you. And you. And you. And you. And you. I you. I you. I you. I you. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And thi. And thi. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And thi. And thi. And you're like. And you're like. And thing. It's the whole analogy. Did that help? Is that maybe for Christmas? Maybe if you're good. Do you feel like you maybe understand it clearer? Um, I feel like I understand it less clearly now in those terms. Um, look, I'll have a little chew on that. I'll move it around my mouth. Like, let me give you another example. Maybe you like you see someone like a friend of yours and you're out in public you run into them at the supermarket right and and you haven't seen

them for a while sure maybe you know them from high school and you're like oh hey well it was great seeing you we should catch up up sometime time and they say, oh yeah, maybe. Do you know, I'm very busy. Yeah, let's do that. But you've not said when you wanted it. But they've already sort of trying to anticipate a way to say no. It's like that. See this, I, okay, so I understand this on a sort of cerebral level now, which is nice, thank you. But for me, the good outcome is what you've described.

Oh, in that you don't have to hang out with someone. I don't have to leave my house. I don't have to think about all of the time that's passed, since I've talked to this person, how the person that I was at that point is not the person I am now. True. But whether. But whether. But whether. But whether. But whether they they they they've, but they've, but whether. But whether. But whether they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've their their their their their their their their their their tho. their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. theateate. theatea. I. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've point is not the person I am now. True. But whether they've moved forwards in their life past... It's a real ship of Theosius paradox. No one's happy about this.

I'm doing a pretty big grid. God damn it. Anyway, I keep going with it. You were doing like some politics stuff for whatever, so. Anyway, anyway, so yeah, basically what they wind up with is, you know, refusing to do anything about it before the election, refusing to commit to helping people before the election, uh, lose the election, lie about what you committed to doing after the election, and then also immediately give up on pressing the case any further. Because they've had Jim Charmers, is he the new Shadow Treasurer?

Charmers? Chamies? Everybody needs a name like that now, I think. Shadow Treasurer. Chammers, as we call him. Big Jim. Dr. Chacha. Dr. Chacha, of course, saying, oh well, when people have pressed him, well, are you going to continue to, to like, agitate for a review of these payments and for raising the new start, right? He said, oh, well, well, well, chame. Ch, the ch ch ch. Ch, ch. Ch, ch. Ch, ch. Ch, cham, cham, cham. Ch, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham? Ch, cham? Chah, cham? Chah, cham? Chah, cham. Chah, cham. Cham. Cham. Cham. Cham. Cham. Cham, the, cham. Cham. Cham. Cham, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, the, as, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, cham, cham, cham, cham. Cham. Cham. Cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, cham, as we, cham, cham, as cham, as cham, as cham, as we, as cham, as we, as, cham, cham, you know, when people have pressed him, well, are you going to continue to like agitate for a review of these payments and for raising the new start rate, he said, oh well, that's for the government to do.

And we didn't get elected to government, so. It's the government's job to agitate the government. Why are they showing up at work then? Well, in case anyone needs to be sucked off. Which is also why I turn up to work. But that's not to appease people. That's for the love of it! It's out of spite. It is.

It is fucking, like, pathetic, right? So Shadow of Treasurer, Jim Chalmers has ruled out reviewing Newstart in opposition, saying those hoping for a boost to the payment had Labour won the election will now, quote, have to convince the government. If only there was somebody in the building with the government who could say, oppose what they were trying to do and maybe try and help convince them and the electorate that this is the right thing to do? Oh, the Greens?

Pretty much. Pretty much. While flagging a shakeup of its policies to take the next election, Charmers dismisses, labor should follow through on its pre-election pledge to conduct a review into new start, calling it a quote unfortunate consequence of the coalition's victory. That review won't happen he said. There were a lot of things we were proposing which had the potential to make a real difference to people's lives like a theoretical review to fucking raise. When you think

about what happened on election night one of the things that does get you down is we were not able to implement some of those policies and plans we think would have made a real difference. We have to accept the reality that we have three years from another election. I don't think a review at the start of that from the opposition would necessarily shift the needle on new start. If people want to see a boost to new start, they have to convince the government. We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. Absolutely just fucking pathetic stuff, pathetic stuff and they wonder why they don't get any support. It's really strange who can figure it out. They, it's... honestly like people in these positions should understand that of course, everybody knows that if they take a vote that the coalition doesn't agree with, then it will not pass, right? Like, everybody understands that they don't have to keep saying it over and over again.

What they have to do is convince the public that the coalition are voting against something that's worthwhile, right? And they have to do it over and over again on everything, but it's just like not even in the realms of imagination that they're playing a game that is playing out in the public eye. Like that the votes at the end of the day are the only thing that matter. Well, it's strange that they seem unable to like connect, um, connect them giving up on this thing with people being very mad at them? Like, they're... Yeah, why are people agitating for the Greens? Where We simply cannot understand. Well, so, so yeah, like, I just, yeah, I completely don't understand any of this, because again,

I wonder if part of what would convince the government to do this thing is if some opposition were presenting a policy that people were looking at and saying, that is better and more compelling than what the government is offering me. That is, say, maybe an alternative to the government. It doesn't fucking matter if you're three years away from an election, you should be trying to build up and win support for policies now. Like, I don't fucking understand it. I mean, I'm very, very tired by this whole thing in Australian politics of like both parties attempting to play extremely small

target about showing their policies like a reasonable length of time before elections because it hasn't been going well for either of them for quite a lot. But speaking of taxes, because we were talking about taxes with the tax cuts, is... Good segue, definitely up there with your others. Thank you. Thank you. Speaking of tax cuts, I just had to dip into this story from the ABC about a Christian family who argued that their taxes were against God's will and have them been ordered to pay back allthat their taxes were against God's will and have then been ordered to pay back all of their taxes. The Tasmanian family has been ordered to pay more than two million dollars to the Australian

taxation office after failing to pay income tax on the grounds that it quote goes against God's will. I'll take a deep breath for this part. Christian Missionaries Fannie Alida Bereput I'll take a deep breath for this part. Christian missionaries, Fanny Alida Berrapute and her brother, Rembittus Cornelis Berrapute, faced... I don't think that's right. That cannot be possible.

Rembittus Cornelis Berrapute. Face the Supreme Court of Tasmania on Wednesday after they both failed to pay an estimated 930,000 dollars in income tax and other charges in 2017. I just want to say one thing which is, uh, bare put is legal. Sorry. Sorry, what was that? Oh, sorry, I mean, they've broken the law here.

Yeah, I don't... Yep. Hmm? Um. Sounds kind of like barefoot. Uh-huh. I don't know if you guys are big connoisseurs of the barefoot is legal movement. Yeah, so I've heard of barefoot is the bear-a-putt.

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is what Mr. Rembitus told the court, we believe that the Constitution affirms the fact that the Commonwealth resides within the jurisdiction of the law of Almighty God. And the law of the Almighty God is the supreme law of this land, he told the court. Representing themselves, which is pretty much what you always see in this type of case. The pair told the court they had previously paid income tax prior to 2011, but that a deepened spiritual relationship meant that they later realized that paying taxes was against God's will. Mr. Beriput told the court the poot that the pair sent

letters to the Queen and Prime Minister last month calling into question the jurisdiction of taxation and the validity of the legislation. He argued that by being made to pay taxes, their dependence on God was being taken away from them, which was causing Australia to be cursed. You can't argue with that, can you? I feel you can. Oh, let's hear it. So, what I would like to ask them is of just wondering, picture a camel.

Wait, sorry, can you do this in like a Southern loyal voice, please? Well, oh no. Everyone here in this year. If it pleases your honor. I present to the court. Exhibit one. A camel. Now, would your honor say that this camel does or does not fit through the eye of this here needle and so on so forth? But how does that prove that Australia is not cursed?

Well, I mean... That's what you meant to be arguing here. But if we're talking about taxation bringing you closer or further away from the kingdom of heaven, then it is, I believe, by the... The camel and the needle? Well, you know the quote, don't you? It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God? I believe that's true. Those are words that are in the Bible.

Yes. It says it right, right here on, Well, it's not the Bible. That's right. So, they say as we move outside of God's jurisdiction, the country has received cases, which we are already seeing in the form of droughts and infertility. Transferring our allegiance from God to the Commonwealth would mean rebelling against God and therefore breaking the First Commandment. Theo, what is the First Commandment?

Um, that's the thing about the Camel again. I feel like Ben's gonna know what the First Commandment is. The First Commandment? Yeah. Um, that's the murder one, right? It's either murder or honor thy mother and father. Wow. Free speech. Wait, did I get it wrong? That?? that? That? That? That? That? That? That? That th? That th? That th? That th? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the the the the the, the, the, the, that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, the thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's the the the the theememing theeme theeme theeme the theeme the the theeming the the the the the th father? Wow, I would have thought that you are

free speech. Wait did I get it wrong? The first commandment is don't tread on me. Oh of course you're absolutely right. It's actually the there's only one god and it's me big time Tommy up. Oh of course you're right. And then the next is you've got your graven images. You've got your cussing out. False idols. Yep. You're porking your neighbor's hot life. Number seven is flush as many times as you need to get the job done. I never put aluminium foil in your microwave.

Don't use detergent when you're washing your cast iron stuff. Don't use metal utensils on your non-stick frying pans. No, I mean you don't need to use detergent on your cast iron stuff because they just slot right in the washer. Plooh. Come out just, speak and span. I actually clean mine in the microwave. Anyway, check that in there on high for half an hour.

Well so this is the claim here. We rely on the blessings we receive from God which we give to him and not to an outside entity such as the tax office. They don't actually... There's got to be a middle man between God and the tax office. They don't actually... I think there's got to be a middle man between God and the ATO. Yes. I noticed that they don't say we're giving all this money away or anything. In his judgment, Associates Justice Stephen Holt said he took issue with the absence of a specific reference in the Bible that supports their argument.

Oh, we've got a facts and logic guy here. Damn. Quote, if you can't find me a passage in scripture or gospel that says thou shal not pay tax then can you see that I have difficulty finding a starting point? Justice Holt asked, owning them. I believe the submissions to be honestly and genuinely held beliefs rather than an attempt to avoid tax liabilities. It's just worked out conveniently that way. But in my view, the Bible effectively said that civil matters and the law of God operate

in two different spheres. And then he banged his big gavel. I don't know if we've got those here. And ordered them to pay an estimated $1.159 million and $1.166 million respectively, covering income tax debt, administrative costs, interest charges, and running a balance account debt for debits. I feel like you, to be taxed that amount, you've got to be making some bank. You've got to be making just a whole chunk of cash. And that was what, 10 years worth, Andrew, did you say?

They stopped paying in 2011. 2011. So we're talking about eight years worth of tax there. Huh. Oh boy. Hmm. So from one side of the coin of people apparently who have a lot of money on hand and don't want to give any of it to the tax office because God forbid any of it be used to support any

of the people in the society that you live in. To this article that I was reading in what is not a skin mag called plow. Now, it's a farming magazine. It is a type of farming magazine. It's a magazine and online magazine that is produced by the Brutohov community, which is a... the Christian community that has like... that run their own businesses and stuff like that to support the community. And so I was reading this piece titled Is Christian Business an oxymoron? And I found it quite interesting because in it they describe the businesses that support the communities that they live in and how they run them. So it opens with a quote that may sound familiar

to some of you. From each according to his that may sound familiar to some of you, from each according to his ability to each according to his need. The eighth commandment. The eighth commandment by the big bearded god upstares. Marx's slogan sounds hopelessly utopian as a business strategy. But is it? Question mark? For decades the Brutohov communities have operated businesses with this motto successfully. So they're talking to a guy called John Rhodes who runs who run some of these businesses. And he says community playthings has been manufacturing wooden

toys and school furniture since 1947. Forty years ago it launched a line of therapeutic equipment for children with disabilities now called Brifton Equipment. These two businesses provide a livelihood for most of the 3,000 adults and children who live in the 25 Brutohov communities worldwide. They support Brutohov's schools, outreach and publishing, including plow. And they make possible the Brutahov's humanitarian work, helping locally, responding to disasters, and contributing money or manpower to organizations such as Samaritan's purse and save the children. What's really unusual about these businesses is while they

sell into the marketplace internally, they're run communally. There are no bosses or employees, and everyone gets the same pay. Nothing. We see our work as our contribution to a life in which we share everything as the first Christians did. Huh. And he's asked by the magazine, is this socialism? There's some I call it that, but I don't believe in state control of the economy. The right question is, what would the economics of love? Oh damn. What a name for a book. The Economics of Love?

Like a Mary Ann William Williamson book. Don Economics of Love? Economics of Love. Like a Mary Ann Williamson book. I don't know who that is. She's a candidate in the Democratic primary years. She's the one that did that thing the other day where she got all the white people in a room to find the nearest black person and do a prayer of apology at them. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, she's the, yeah, that one. She's out there. She is out there. That's true. Yes.

So they ask, what is it like to be a worker in this kind of business? And Jim says, John, sorry, not Jim, my apologies to John Rhodes. He says, most businesses seek to maximize income and minimize the number of employees. Our task is to find the right variety of work so that everyone can meaningfully contribute as we make enough income to build up the community. In our workshops, there's work for everyone. In our workshops, there's work for everyone, old or young, male or female, guest or long-time member, skilled or unskilled, disabled or able-bodied, whether you come expected or unannounced, and there's a place for you to work. In our workshops you will see older folk doing physically easier work in a quieter area. We intentionally hang on to work that could be outsourced or automated because when an 80-year-old comes

to the shop she wants to put in a meaningful day's work that actually supports the community's mission. One of the criticisms leveled at socialism is that when you remove private ownership people are not motivated to work. Why should I put in my best effort if everyone gets paid the same in the end anyway? But in reality, money is a surprisingly poor motivator. A much stronger motivator is purpose. Motivation in our context doesn't come from state mandates or financial self-interest. It comes from our calling to live in a community. Then there's the question of bosses.

Even in a fast food restaurant, if you have a management position, you may not earn much more than the people flipping burgers, but you can at least boss them around. That's something that's not really present with us. If you walk into our workshop, you will not very easily be able to tell who's in charge. Yes, the work has to get done, but we're in that together. If the person who was asked to be responsible for the shop or authoritarianian, we the the shop, we thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr- thi, thi, thr-is, thr-is, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, th. th. That's th. That's, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And that's how we do our work everywhere in the community. Things aren't different just because this is the income earning portion of our work. And like, there's a whole bunch of really interesting stuff in this interview where they're talking about the principles of their community informing how they interact with each other, you know, in the workplace, but that that is just the extension of how their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, and, and, and know, in the workplace, but that that is just the extension of how they interact with each other everywhere. Like saying, you know, basically everybody is just very direct with each other and takes things up with each other immediately instead of like

backbiting about things and all that sort of shit, but that's how everybody is everywhere in the community. And this was the part that I found really interesting as well, is when they sort of get asked about like, you know, how do you deal with like working in a capitalist society when you are not trying to do something that is explicitly capitalist? And he says, many times we've taken a direction with our business that was not a good business decision, but was a good community decision. For example, in the early days of community playthings, we distributed via hundreds of school supply dealers offering them discounts. It was like adding 500 salespeople to our team. A decade or so after the business started, it was overheating.

We were six months behind fulfilling orders. The business was the community, and there was pushback. After talking it through in a meeting, the community decided that Tom, my predecessor, needed to slow the business down. And this was difficult. Growth is business's natural evolution, and at that time we badly needed the money that these orders were bringing in. Any normal business would hire people, and ride the crest of that wave. But we don't th th th th th th the business the business the business th th their their thoe thoe their thoom work their thoom work thoom work thoomk, thoomk, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, tho, and ride the crest of that wave. But we don't hire workers, because it's just the community. From a business standpoint, the worst thing we could do would be to drop the dealer's discounts. Tom told me it was the most difficult business decision he ever had to make,

but he did it at the request of the community. The business took a big hit, but it also recovered and grew in a way that serve the community's needs rather than sucking the life out of it. This is one way we fight against Mamon, the power of money. We seek efficiencies in our shop, but there is a limit. When we bump up against this limit, we decrease the demand on those who are working. We skip a catalog mailing, we drop products or we raise prices. And it was very, very interesting to me looking at like people who are, you know how recently Theory we were talking about like that game studio that was, that was... I've been waiting this whole time to say, you mean like the Dead Soul sells guys?

Yes. Absolutely. But I guess it's very interesting, like for, you know, very left-wing people who want to see a reshaping of society and a reshaping of communities to see examples of places where things are actually working. And obviously this is quite a different example in the sense that these are all people who are extremely committed to a very specific religious lifestyle. And that's what kind of promotes a whole lot of this stuff. But really interesting to see like working examples of we do this stuff to serve the community rather than people in the community working to serve businesses.

Yeah, and actual kind of to see the concrete decision making when, you know, push comes to serve businesses? Yeah and actual kind of to see the concrete decision-making when you know push comes to shove in saying well look in a purely capitalist sense we would usually just pay people less or hire cheaper labor or make people work longer hours but because you know these guys seem to be working from a person-first perspective, that that's sort of antithetical to what they're doing and it becomes the product then that gets pushed out or you know the costs that get they get raised and it's just something that's totally incompatible with a capitalist system

because someone else is gonna just kind of come in, sweep in and make something cheaper made by a robot or what have you and it's always the people that have to bend, not the process, you know. So it's quite fascinating actually to hear about this. Well yeah, and there's other parts of the interview where he's talking about, where he's talking about how like the business is also just part of the community, and the community has all these other larger decisions that they make. So the money that the businesses that they run brings in, funds the community and the community has all these other larger decisions that they make so the money that the businesses that they run brings in funds the

entire community and all of the community's activities which includes like outreach and and helping in like disaster recovery and stuff like that so there will be times where you know they'll want to buy like a new piece of equipment for one of their workshops or they'll want to buy like something large and they'll go to the community and say we want to do this and they'll say oh well there was just a hurricane it stayed over and we gave all our money away to them so you just got a way to the tax and things like that will will tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi the thi thi the their the they'll they'll their thr-I to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. the. the. the. their their their their their the. their the. theee. theeee. thee. the. the their decision making. And he was also making a point of saying, which I found very interesting comparing to the tax evading guys from the last thing,

is that they also made a specific point of saying, we don't really keep a lot of money on hand, because, you know, that they are driven in a very specific way to say, it's not Christian and it's not the kind of community where we want to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they are driven in a very specific way to say, it's not Christian and it's not the kind of community where we want to be into like build up a big bunch of wealth because we think that that inevitably leads to bad things. So if we have a surplus of money,

we just give it away to people. So it means that, you know, yeah, when they do want to do something like, say, we want to buy a plot a a the plot a their a their a their a their a their a their a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot a plot theirpocluclucluclucluclucluclionion, to to want to do something like, say, we want to buy a plot of land or build a new property for people to live in or something like that, they actually have to think about it and save up the money, because before that point they will have just donated it to somebody or bought something for somebody else. But yeah, it's a very, very interesting piece in Plow magazine. Plow.com is Christian Business an oxymoron.

And yeah, like I said, I really like the whole other thing as well of like we very deliberately avoid automating a certain amount of stuff because it keeps available all of these different types of work for different types of people. It's not about making the whole point of saying we're going to automate processes to the extent where the only type of work we have available is stuff for people in a very specific age range and for people of a very specific level of like physical fitness or anything like that. Yeah just being much much more community driven. That's nice as hell. That's my beliefs. Yeah. And you know he says here there's there's a one of the questions here is is there any conflict

between this internal culture and the need to survive in the marketplace and this is in the context of interacting with capitalism. And John says of course, of course, we're th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, just, just, th, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, thi, thi, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th, th th thi, th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi the need to survive in the marketplace and this is in the context of interacting with capitalism and John says of course we're living in a capitalistic environment still we try to bring the best of our approach to life into that environment rather than letting it shape us so you know they make a they make a point of things like they don't put lots of sales people out on the road. They're like, our community is about, you know, fathers and wives and children and stuff just being together rather than being sent away from their families. So we just do stuff online. We do shit online and over the phone instead of like sending people on the road.

And part of the market that they work in, which is like kids toys and working with equipment for children with disabilities, they're obviously also an extremely family and children driven community. So that's something that we all feel very passionate about. And it's not hard for us to speak passionately about that to customers rather than having this kind of unrelated service where we then have to try and like convince people to part with them with their money because that's really not not part of their kind of ethos of selling things to people who don't really want them. But um I think one's, this one's particularly interesting to me because it's sort of, um, it sort of overlaps a lot with the thought that I've been ruminating a lot on in a last few years,

and that's how we've arrived in this society, um, you know, in Australia and especially America that are largely Christian where a whole groups of society have decided it's okay to be massively profitable even if it kills people, even if it puts people out on the street, even if we can help these people, and the way that they've had to kind of bend into pretzels to justify this alongside, you know, a lot of the teachings in the Bible and, you know, to, especially if you, you know, when you read about, you know, I'm no theologist, but, you know, in understanding, you know, Jesus, turning over the tables and the money changes and driving them from the temple.. the the the the the the the the the the, you know, Jesus turning over the tables and the money changes and driving them from the temple and all these sorts.

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But like, but in trying to kind of, yeah, again, like making those messages in what was taught, gel with being horrible, faceless, capitalist, you know, profit machines. And it doesn't, it doesn't match up, but because I think of people's, you know, I think of people's, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, profit machines. And it doesn't match up, but because I think of people's, you know, tendency towards self-interest and self-preservation and that sort of thing, you know, a lot of, the message is that that is, that's all okay, right? You know, it's okay to make as much profit as you want and not pay tax, not participate in your community and all that sort of things.........., I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi-I thi, I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii thi thi thi thi thi th, that's all okay, right? You know, it's okay to make as much profit as you want, not pay tax, not participate in your community and all that sort of thing, even though it may not be the best,

the most humane thing to do. And it's very interesting to see people on the other side of that, not practicing that, so. Well, yeah, here's a little section, tha, here's tha, here's theeeee, here's a little the, here's a little theck, here's a little section, here's a little section, the, the, the, the, here's a little the, the, that's a little that's a little the, that's a little to that's a little to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's te.e. that's that's tha. tha. tha. t. t. t. that. So, yeah, here's a little section of this for anybody who's ever had to do a team building exercise at work. The interviewer says, in recent years, the world's biggest companies have discovered the business value of community and teamwork in getting the most out of their employees. Is there any difference between what you're describing and the management practices of a Silicon Valley firm? And John says, teamwork used as a business principle is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do to to do to do to do to do a to do the to do a to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do a to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the team team team team team the team team team team team team team team team team team team team team the and the management practices of a Silicon Valley firm?

And John says, teamwork used as a business principle is an artificial thing. We work together because we love one another and enjoy being together. It's more than teamwork, it's a relationship. And because of this, working through conflict is vital. If two people are having an agreement, having a disagreement, the work will stop until it's resolved because the relationship is more important. And because, and because, and because, and because, and because, and because, and because, and because, and because, and because, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is thi, thi, the the their their their their their their their their their is is is their is their is their, their, their is their, is their, their, is their is their, their is their is their, their, their, their is their, their, their, their their, their, their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, tea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the disagreement, the work will stop until it's resolved because the relationship is more important. And what really breaks down relationships is backbiting. Being up front is the best way to form deeper friendships and in all these things, living rightly ends up being better for the business too. Tensions reduce productivity, you end up with hard feelings and turf wars and everything goes down the drain.

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It belongs to God and we have to use it for his purposes. If we use it to feather our own nest, that is a sin. We've chosen voluntary poverty and don't want to accumulate goods for ourselves. So we don't keep a lot of cash in hand unless we're building up a reserve for a major project. In general when we have extra funds we give them away. Like I was saying, it's very very interesting. So make sure not to write in and yell at me for promoting a Christian community or whatever. They can do what they like. Well because they are they worship an invisible sky wizard. The spaghetti monster. Oh you want to what if a unicorn was real? Yeah.

Yeah well that stuff. Well I guess I just I found a very interesting I found it very interesting I found it very interesting. Give me my honey back. I found it very interesting to read that anyway. Like through the specific lens of people who were I guess simultaneously rejecting the label of socialism and obviously kind of not specifically doing this to fulfill any kind of socialist purpose. But it's more for them just about communal living and communal purpose but at the same time you know being aware that they are operating in a

capitalist society but also not just doing what you're describing theory of throwing up their hands and saying well that's the world we live in and you just got to along with it. You just got to work in that system now. And like, that makes me think of that shit like, you know, people who, like the, um, franking credits kind of stuff and like people getting massive tax write-offs for things and then saying, oh I don't like it either, but you know it's technically not against the law. Everybody does it. Yeah, I feel like there's a whole lot of that sort of shit with people who have a lot of money talking about how, oh that this thing is terrible but it's not the law, and that's why I take advantage of it.

You know, people say that shit, like, well, I'd be happy if they close that loophole, but until they do, chiching. But yeah, it's very interesting seeing people both living by those principles, but also proving that just that those values can work in a community. And not, like, obviously, not specifically, the Christian the Christian the Christian the Christian the Christian the Christian the Christian the Christian the the the the th. that, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, that, well, that, well, that, that, that, that, that, well, well, well, well, I'd that, I'd that, I'd that, I'd that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'd that, I'd that, I'd th. I'd th. I'd th. I'd that's, I'd th. We'd th. I'd to, I'd that's, I'd to, I'd to, I'd to, I'd th. We'd th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th just that those values can work in a community and not like obviously not specifically the Christian values just the idea of you can run a co-op like that you can you can center your lives around your community and the people around you and actual humans instead of everybody just working to push money uphill into a company. That's nice. That was a nice story to me.

Very nice. That is nice. I agree. Huh. So should we leave it there or should we just stop in for one one quick paranormal news story? Oh look I think we should definitely just a little... just a little taste. Okay. How can you say no? What important piece of news here from the mirror, which carries the tagline, what is it, the world's best newspaper? Is that what it is? It has...

They got a really funny, um, a really funny little thing. Although if you go to, um, A really funny little thing. Although if you go to Mirror Online it says the intelligent tabloid. Oh, Jesus, fuck it. Which is great stuff. I think we can all agree. But this story... The smartest horse.

This story entitled Spank the Monkey by Mark Hodge. The ghost of a masturbating ape haunts the hallways of a grand country estate in Dorset. Now look I want to say straight off the bat first sentence in and this goes off the rails. The ghost of a Randy monkey haunts the holes of a grand English country estate where romantic spook to tie the knot. Now is it an ape or a monkey? Monkeys are an ape. Are they an ape? I was gonna say apes are a monkey. Oh no! Absolutely not. I don't know if I'm correct but I know that you're wrong.

I thought... An answer a branch of Simeons. Well, they're both primates. That much we can agree on. Yeah. Um, all right. Apes includes gibbons, orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans. It's the big boys.

It does not include old world monkeys. Oh, hang on, I'm going to... Doing a deep dive in the monkey, monkey terminology. Yeah, the sister group of old world monkeys. Maybe if we read on. Yeah, you keep reading, I'll keep looking into the monkey thing. Titillated tourists can often hear the saucy specter laughing while masturbating in Athelhampton Hall in Dawson near Dorchester Governor and who who among us doesn't laugh while masturbating? It's a very, very...

It's a comic activity. It's the way I do it. The spooky venue even has soul-searching couples clamoring to have their weddings held there, in the hopes of having the Purvey primate appear in the background of their pictures. The lovable apes afterlife ante. We're going... We're just swinging wildly from Randy to Sourcy to Purvey and now he's lovable. I know, you know, after I tied the knot, what I wanted to do is lay down with my life and say, oh, wouldn't it be nice if a ghost ape jacked off. Just appeared before us laughing and jerking. His monkey dick.

The lovable apes afterlife antics have helped the hall to be named as one of the most haunted houses in England after being listed on we buy any homes list of the nine most ghostly properties. Oh boy. The 15th century, now this is where we get into the law of the jack-off monkey. The 15th century house was originally built by the Martin family whose crest featured an excited monkey sitting on a tree stump. The estate's motto was, he who looks at Martin's ape, Martin's ape will look at him. And ever since the horny ghost... Hang on go back.

When they say excited ape on the crest. An excited monkey sitting on a tree stump. Is there a picture of the crest somewhere? Oh, I hope so. What's the thing called? I'll look that up. Martins. Maybe it was the sun. Maybe it was. Oh, it was the sun. Sorry. Shout out to the sun. Forget the mirror. The sun. The sun.cog. the news website of the year it says. It doesn't then. then. th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. the the th. the th. th. th. the the the the th. the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the sun. th. the the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. S. S. S. S. the sun. S. S. S. S. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun of the year it says doesn't say which year or anything like that and there's definitely not a year implied by that No, so we'll never know the Veni and all years Ever since the horny ghost of Martin's monkey has haunted the sprawling country pile making it a go-to destination for curious Phantom fanatics

One tourist dad of three John Morrison? go-to destination for curious phantom fanatics. Uh, what tourist? Dad of three, John Morrison, 41 from Derby, took his entire family to the estate and spoke excitedly about the spanking spook. Oh, don't. He said, quote, we heard that Martin, the monkey, who haunts the house, loves to scratch his privates while swinging around. We didn't see him, which is a shame, because it would have been a real sight. Yeah, that would have been pretty easy to miss, I would say a monkey just swinging around the room. Jack and his dick. Why do people want to go and see this? This one

I don't understand. Oh, I get that part. According to the local legend, the unconventional Martin family did have a pet ape which was free to wander the halls. And when... Let's get in dark now. When one of the Martin daughters had an unhappy love affair and decided to kill herself, the compassionate monkey began following her around. When she climbed a set of hidden stairs, I've got a torch under my face now. When she climbed a set of hidden stairs to a secret room, the ape trailed behind and watched as she took her own life with the door bolted.

Oh, Jesus Christ. By the time the family searchlersesesesesesesesesesesesese se se se se se se se se se se se se se se se sea the the the the the the the the the the door bolted. Oh Jesus Christ. By the time the family's search of the house and grounds eventually located the room, the ape had starved to death next to her body. Now its ghost haunts the halls, often scratching at the paneling of the secret room and staircase in an eternal frantic attempt to escape. Are people mistaking like the frantic attempts to escape with jacking off? Is that what's happening here?? the room? the room? the room? the room? It in? It in? It in? It in? It in? It in in in in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room? It? It's room? It's room in the room in the room? It's room? It's room? It the room in the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room. It the room? It the room? It in the room? It in the room? It in the room? It in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room in the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the room. It's the room. It's the room? It's the room? It's the room? It's the escape. Are people mistaking like the frantic attempts to escape with jacking off? Is that what's happening here? It's a very similar motion. Well if all you could hear was like a pounding on the wall and a monkey

screeching, maybe everyone is just like, hey? I mean you just assume wouldn't you? Sounds like a monkey is going hog wild in there on his monkey Johnson. Hmm. Someone get the sun on the line. But the good news is that the monkey is not alone. The house is reputed to have six other ghosts, all human. Is that good news? Is it good news for the monkey?

Is it good news for the people who wanted to get this onto the list of nine most ghostly properties. Mmm. Yeah, yes. Hmm. So, you know, if you want to catch a spectral monkey jockey, uh, jacking on his monkey dick, get on down to Athelhampton Hall in Dorset. The holiday destination for people having weddings, vainly hoping to catch a paltygist. Some vainly groping. Yeah, in their pictures. And you don't get it, and you're like, ah, guess we came all the way here and got married

for nothing. Ben, what are your feelings about the cursed monkey? Well, my feeling is that there are at least three common or traditional uses of the term ape. Non-specialists may not distinguish between monkeys and apes, that is, they can skip right past that one. We are specialists, yep. They may may they may they may the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the t the theakeakeathea theathea thus thus thus thus theateateateateateateateateateateateateateateate. theoomom, the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. they're they're they're they're they're they're the. theaa. thea. theeeeeeean. tean. tean. tean. tean. thean. thean. thean. thean. theanea, they skip right past that one. We are specialist, yep. They may use the two terms interchangeably or they may use ape for any tailless monkey or non-human hominoid, or they may use the tame ape to just mean the non-human hominoids. Modern biologists and primitologists use monophyletic groups for taxonomic classification. That is, they use only those groups that include all descendants of a common ancestor. The superfamily hominoidia is such a group, also known as a clade.

Some scientists now use the term ape to mean all the members of the superfamily hominoidia, including humans. Hmm. And I think that answers your question. So you're saying that I am an ape? Oh, if we evolve, let me ask you this Ben, if we evolve for monkeys, then how come there's still monkeys around, you know? That's a great question. There's some lazy monkeys. It's like, um, hey, have you tried walking upright? Fuck. I gotta...

Take that, lesser primates. How would you fucking invent a spear? Hmm. Don't see you on Twitter. Yes. I would love. Absolutely you imagine. A chimp on Twitter.

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