Boonta Vista - EPISODE 122: Why So Kyrgios (Feat. Victor Rodriguez)

Episode Date: October 29, 2019

Victor Rodriguez joins us again to discuss Israel Folau's posts, Nick Kyrgios' powerful aura, Jay-Z's treachery, MMA conspiracy theorists and much more! Follow Vic on Twitter: https://twitter.com/VicMRodriguez Read Vic's articles on bloodyelbow.com: https://muckrack.com/victor-rodriguez/articles Listen to the Level Change podcast on Bloody Elbow Presents: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/bloody-elbow-presents/id984162015 *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Merchandise: boontavista.com/merchandise

Welcome to Buntavista episode 122. I'm Andrew. I'm here with my good friend Ben. Hi Ben. Oh, hey. That felt really nice. Did you mean that? Yes.

You sure. You just weren't saying that as like a figure of speech. Like, good friends? How about close you just weren't saying that as like a figurative speech, like, we're like good friends? Good, good, how about close friends? You like that? You're not just saying that because, no, do you mean that? I'm not saying it because all these people are listening.

Well, I feel wonderful now. I'm great. Good. And you gotta love it. And joining us of course is my colleague, Theo. Fuck. I believe the colleague and friend. Oh!

Yeah! I thought I was going to leave you hanging, didn't you? Thank you. My heart is warmed. It's been, I mean, it's a heartwarming time, isn't it? People can't walk on Ularu anymore. Ivan Malat's dead. What a time to be alive except for Ivan. Beautiful. What a time to be in hell, which is only real for one person and it's Ivan Malat.

Ivan Malat has been stuffed in the big old hell pod and fired down the hell tube directly into the bottom of hell. What do you reckon they're doing to him down there? Just helly things you know? Do you reckon it's like a primethian kind of thing where he's just being murdered every day? Knife murdered? Knife murdered, axe murdered. Yeah. Buried in the state forest. Sure. That sort of thing. Yep.

And then every day he busts through the earth, gets back up and does it all again. Exhausting, frankly. And speaking of friendship, we are joined by another dear sweet friend of the show. He's coming back for a repeat appearance. We haven't spoken to him in over a year. It's our sweet friend, Victor Rodriguez. How you doing, Vic. Oh, thank you.

I'm just happy to be here with you guys, you know? Are you guys, what episode is this? 124, I believe thirty'm not always. You know I remember when you guys first started and you know seeing you guys blast through more than a hundred episodes and keep going strong I'm I can't tell you how happy I am that you guys have made it this far and how proud I am that you guys continue to be as consistently absolutely hilarious and and as good as what you do. So it's a real pleasure for me to be here, guys.

Oh, thank you very much. Just the other day we did our first episode, our first episode, our first episode. Um, let's not start. Let's not start with all that. But if you include the bonus episodes, that's over 200 episodes. But you can't count them because they don't have numbers. Oh no. Imagine if they did though. Or maybe a number and then a list of...

All right, all of my friendship remarks revoked. Okay. They're all... I'm not... A friendship ended with everybody on this podcast. We're just people that work in the same digital WeWork. Yes. Oh, do we all see that the We Work founder has been given like 1.7 billion dollars just to fuck off? Just to leave? He's been given a golden jet pack, a golden escape.

Yep. Shot into the sun. A golden prostate exam. Oh, dear. Yeah. I wonder how many of these financial institutions and large corporate groups are really run by entire just swaths of pay pigs at a high level. I don't understand. This is, this is high level findom, isn't it? It's just crazy. I love it.

This is great. Investors, they just love to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to they just love to be dormed. Oh man, yeah. So what are you going to disrupt? Oh, that sounds great. How much money am I going to lose? Oh, baby. Ooh, just one more billion, yeah. Well, they gave Netflix two billion just the other week.

All right. What are you going to do with this 2 billion? I'm not going to just waste it on like shows that nobody watches, are you? Oh, go for it. We're going to spend another 75 million dollars on getting a comedian to make trans jokes or whatever. So the last time Vic was on, we had a bit of a conversation about thethe wide world of sports many kinds of sports and politics in sports because Vic writes for Bloody Elbow.com you have a you have a podcast you're doing at the moment which I suddenly can't remember the name of yeah it's called it's called the level change podcast I'm there with Mukhe Alexander who absolutely

loves hating on Florida which makes him an asset in my eyes and and that the thee thi thi's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the politics the politics th politics th politics th politics th politics th politics th politics th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin thin thin thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the politics thi thithere with Mukhi Alexander who absolutely loves hating on Florida, which makes him an asset in my eyes. And Steffy Haynes has been a long-time fixture in online audio for combat sports and probably the hardest working woman I've seen in anything regarding the space. There you go, the level change podcast. So we always like to get Vic's thoughts on various sports-like issues, but we also figured we could go back and have a bit of a have a bit of a check-in on some of the things that we talked about the last time Vic was on because all of those things have seemingly had some sort of weird and or

depressing progress since then. So one of the people we did talk about at the time because it was all just sort to of of of of of of of of of of the to to the to the to the to the to the the the to the to the the th. the th. thi. thi. thi. I. I thi. th. thi. th. th. I. I. I. I. I was toe. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was toe. I was toe. I. I. I. I was th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. And th. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And, then. So one of the people we did talk about at the time, because it was all just sort of popping off at that moment, was Israel Falow, rugby star, and a big-time hater of all you people who were going to hell with Ivan Malat. Normal man. That's who else is in hell. It's every, everybody, it's Ivan Malat and all the people that Israel Fala names every time he posts on social media. So yeah, I think I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi I th. I thi I thi, I thi, I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thr. And, thr. And, thr. And, thr. And, thr. And, thr. And, they. And, the thr. And, th. And, time he posts on social media. So yeah, I think when we talked to Vic, he had kind of had the initial couple of posts that were getting him in hot water. He had, I think he had kind of done the first one, which was his big list of like, gays, trans people, people who double park. Just it started to get in that personal agreement.

The guy who banged into my trolley with his trolley in the supermarket. Big, big list. Sometimes he has a point. Well, so... Can I tell you a thing that I saw yesterday who, which will actually send somebody to hell? So is that at Bunnings. Did you know what Bunnings is? I've heard of it, but I don't th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that I don't that I don't that I don't that that I don't that that I don't that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to to to to to to to get to to to to to to to to hell. So is that at Bunnings? Did you know what Bunnings is? I've heard of it, but I don't know too much about it. I mean it's basically the, I think the rock solid foundation that Australian culture has

built a top of. It's like a Home Depot if it was worshipped by the people around it. Yeah, absolutely. They've got like these totem poles out the front that signal of Bunnings from miles around so you can kind of, I guess, orient yourself if you're lost in Australian surrounds. If you can't actually see the polls, you can generally just use an app on your phone which will put you in the right direction to pray towards. Either that. So we drive into Bungings, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the poli. th. th. th. the poli. th. th. th. th. the pole, th. th. the the p. the p. the p. So, the pole, the the pome. the pome. So, the pome. So, the pe, the pole, the pole, to to to to to to to to to to signal, to to to to to to to to to the pole, th. So, the pole, the pole, the pole, the pole, the pole, the pole, the the the the the the the the the the th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. So, th. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi.s, they.s, they. So, they.s, they. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, the apps. Either were that. So we drive into buying so we take a park and we see this lady come out, she's got

an empty trolley, I think she's taken whatever she was, she had off of it. And she proceeds to push that trolley into a handicap spot which is right next to an empty trolley bay. Hmm. Leave it, walk away and hop in her Mercedes. Wonderful. That is absolutely going to hell behavior, right? Like if Israel Falow put that on his Facebook post, I'd be like, yeah, all right, this

guy's making some points. Maybe I need to convert, you know? Maybe. I'd be a little on the fence if she was just old and maybe a little distracted, but jumping in the Mercedes denotes a bit of That sort of entitlement that people hate about the rich and It was to me. It was just like a absolute encapsulation of that. I'm going. Oh, okay. I was I was waiting for that shoe to drive. theirseys. Oh, no fuck. I'm like, I was like, I was. I was. I was. I was. that. that. that. that. that. th. that. th. th. that. th. that. th. th. th. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. to. the. the. th. th. th. them. Yeah, I was like, oh maybe I should do something about this and then I didn't because conflict terrifies me. That's okay. That's uh, that's gonna be on the Instagram post that gets Theo fired from the podcast. So you know, he did his posts. He got into some hot water about it. He said, hey, guys, I'm never going to do that again. And they said, okay, well now that you you you that you you that you you that you that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that's that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's that's th. that's. th. th. th going to do that again. And they said, okay, well now that you've given us your assurances, you can just sign this

new contract. You'll note down the bottom here that there's a fresh new clause in there that says, please, please stop telling all the queers that they're going to hell all the time as it reflects very poorly on our brand. As an inclusive organization. And he said th, th, I've seen it. I've read it. I've read it I really like what I'm seeing here Let me just sign on this dotted line and put down the pen immediately pick up my phone for some reason And start crafting some new posts for online. So he posted through it was straight back on his bullshit. You're going to hell. You're going to hell. He was the Oprah of people going to hell look under your seat. the seat. there. So, the. So, I. So, I. the. the the. I. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I the the th. I th. I th. I th. I really, I really, I really, I really, I really, I really, I really, I'm really, I really, I really, I really th. I really, I really, I really th. I really th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I really th. I really th. I really th. I really th. I really th. I really th. I really the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I really really the the. I really to hell. You're going to hell. He was the Oprah of people going to hell.

Look under his seat, you're going to hell. There was nothing under the seat either, just telling people they're going to hell. And then they said, it's probably time for you to get fired. Due to the very specific $20 million contract or whatever it was. And he said, hey, this is all news and a shock to me. Hey, what do you mean?

I'm going to sue you guys. So he did a sweet lawsuit for wrongful dismissal, wrongful termination of his contract and being unfairly victimized by all the heathens of the world. So since then it's basically turned into like a big new religious freedom thing for our cool conservative government. Because I guess all of the rights that the religion currently has enshrined in our laws to fire people for being gay and not being sufficiently Christian and all that sort of stuff aren't enough. We've we've already got a lot of that stuff right Ben. Oh we sure do yeah

but of course they want to find well as we talked about in a previous episode they want broad sweeping remits for being able to fire people for fucking wrong in a way that doesn't align with God's wishes. Oh okay I thought you before you added the bit on the end I thought I was in real trouble. Yeah you sucked who from the back? Yeah unless you're doing a angle? As far as I understand it you should be fired I think their problem was anyone doing anything other than missionary. Yeah. I okay well phew. Yeah hard ban on the eating of asses hard ban on sucking toes. Oh wait a wait wait a minute let's let's not let's let's let's have a little bit of we I think we need to tackle these things on a case by case basis should we not? Yeah and I'm gonna need to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see the footage to see the footage to see to see the footage to see the footage the footage to see the the the the the to see the the the the the the th th. Let let let let's th. Let th. Let's that let's that let's that let's that let's that that that that that's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's th. let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let's let th th th th th th th let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let I think we need to tackle these things on a case-by-case basis, should we not?

Yeah, and I'm going to need to see footage of each one. Which I will gladly provide. Yeah, I want a government, like a government-financed office of review, you know? It'll be like the office that they use for like rating movies, where the movie just goes in one side and some purves sit in a dark room and watch it and then they just come out the other side, they come out from the beaded curtain all sweaty and they're like, no we can't show that one in theaters. But, but yeah, so, currently there's already plenty of laws that say, if you are a religious

organisation, if you are a Catholic school or whatever, and you find out that like the guy who comes along once a week and trims the hedges out the front is gay, you can just fire him, and he has no recourse or anything like that. So that's cool, that we've already got heaps of that. But yeah, the government has been angling for a while for like a new religious protection law, new religious discrimination law. And in classical conservative fashion, this is one of these things where they say, we need protections for people to be able to say the things that they need to say as part of their religion and then you go like what? Yeah it's that classic question. Tell us. Like what is it that you can't say now? Say it. Say the

flord coward. What are the things exactly that you desperately wish you could say? And nobody is allowing you to say and weirdly there's never really an answer for that even even. the the the the the their.. their. their. their. their. th. th. their. to th. to say. to say. to say. their. to say. th. to say. to say. to say. to say. they. they's. they're. to say. to say. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. to. to. to. to. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to. to. they. they. they. the the they. th. they. to. they. they. they who could say it. Under, what's the old, the old protection? Parliamentary privilege. Yeah, yeah, parliamentary privilege. They could get up there and they could drop all their f's and their C's. And they don't, which really just reveals them for the cowards that they are. True. Yeah. A real brave politician in their maiden speech would get up there and just say every slur they can think of off the top of their head. Commitment to principles. So this from the Sydney Morning Herald that there would

be new protections for fallow-like cases in draft religious discrimination bill. Large businesses would not be able to restrict their employees from expressing their religious beliefs outside of work unless the business can prove that this will cause, quote, unjustifiable financial hardship under the federal government's proposed new religious discrimination laws. Attorney General Christian Porter said that under the draft bill, rugby Australia would have to prove its social media rules and subsequent sacking of Israel Falau, where in order to protect its brand, noting that Mr. Falow would argue the condition that he could not speak about his religious beliefs outside of work was unreasonable. I feel like even if they had those laws, this would shake out exactly

the same? It's hard to see what would change. Yeah, because the entire reason that they said, hey, this shit doesn't fly is because you're being like paid specially as an ambassador for our brand, which also has a bunch of stuff about not very openly discriminating against people. If you have, if you have in any situation where you have what I generally and what's known in some circles like professional wrestling as a good boy class, right, if you have a very specific set of terms that forbid you to do certain things and will have, say, financial or other stipulations and consequences, I'm not sure how this bill exactly, I'm not sure how this bill exactly, I mean, would that void that sort of contract? Would that make that illegal? I'm curious as to how that would go, but the funny thing that I'm always, like you're talking about this and describing, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Does this also work when it comes to defending, say, I don't know, a Muslim. pretty hard to believe that if a high profile Muslim athlete was up there

saying, hey, and also all women should do this, that yeah, the idea that the government that is fronted primarily by middle-aged white evangelical Christian dudes would be lining up to defend them. But hey, who knows, you know? But again, like we said, it seems as though the primary thing there would be saying, hey, does this have an impact on our brand? And if you have an organization, like I would imagine a lot of sports organizations and a lot of just companies in general, would have their statements of their values as a company. And a lot of the time that has things in it about community and inclusiveness and you know not discriminating and all that sort of stuff.

And yeah, I just I don't really see how this would change anything. So I'm not sure what they would consider sufficient evidence either, right? Because let's say, you know, if, let's say Israel were still in the league and he would have said the things that he said, and someone threatens a boycott of the games and it begins to, you know, it begins to gain some sort of notoriety, would that be considered evidence, or do they need to look at financials and the cold heart numbers specifically? You know what I mean? You might have less attendance that could be attributed to anything. So I don't know how they'd even... It's really... I mean, clearly they're showing their hand. We know what the agenda is and we know why they're doing this, but man, that's not a good look. Yeah, like you're saying, how do you actually quantify thi thi thi. How thi. How thi. How thi. How thi. How thi. How thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that the. that that's the. the. that's the. the. the. the. the. the. the on us? Yeah. Beyond very clearly organized boycotts. So we'll check in on Israel as his whole shit continues to go down, but for the moment it seems like he is stuck being fired, being rich,

and raising lots of money from Go Fund Me from Charitable Rubes for his legal defense. So yeah, another person who was very directly involved in, you know, different kinds of boycotts and all that sort of stuff was Colin Kappenig was somebody else that we spoke about. Particularly in the context, I suppose, of when he started his protest of kneeling during the national anthem at NFL games, there was a whole lot of people getting extremely mad and saying it was disrespectful to the troops and also that he should just shut up and play football and be grateful, which is a thing that the free speech loving right wing

of America really love to invoke Anytime they're slightly upset about something is the idea that you should just shut your mouth and go along with it Which as we all know is is very very much in line with their deep and unabiding love of the First Amendment Makes me think of the old Dixie chicks, you know, making one comment about George W. Bush being a shithead and then that turning into all the radio stations across Texas and the South and everything, like burning their records and having days where you come down and throw the stuff into a trash can and everything. I don't know if anybody's seen the documentary Shut Up and Sing.

No, I have seen that one? No, I have not. I'd say it's a really good documentary about the Dixie Chicks across that period so like they were doing a doco of them touring and during the tour when they're in London, Natalie... Natalie... Means I believe, an American says. Uh, made that comment and it just completely blew up their careers, you know. And it's interesting because I feel like the Dixie Chicks are one of the only people that I see come up in that conversation of like, who was somebody who got canceled, who, like,

who like got actually canceled and didn't deserve it? Oh yeah, the other one is Shenade O'Connor of course. Oh yeah, who did that performance in the early, was it on Saturday Night Live? Yeah, it was. It was. We tore up the photo of the Pope and that was in protest of child abuse in the Catholic, in the Catholic Church and wouldn't you know just so weirdly that history has also absolved her of this but yeah at the time completely canceled. That's the like people went wild for this stuff and like the same thing with the Dixie Chicks and you know I wonder maybe if we just like look forwards perhaps in the same

fashion whether exactly the same thing will be shown for Colin Kappenick. Of course the problem is now that you don't even have to look forwards, right? You just have to check the news in America and on any given day and go, oh look, cops just shot a black woman through a window for the crime of standing near a window while being black, right? Like, it's like the timelines are shortening because of social media and our awareness to these things, but our reactions to them don't. We just get better at ignoring all this shit. Not we, but, you know, in the, in the broad kind of sense of the public. Oh yeah, just collectively it seems like,

yeah, the more frequently it happens and the shorter the gaps are between being shown this stuff, the more, I don't know if it's just the more powerless people feel. Yeah. That anything is actually going to happen. I mean, it might be that, but you know, we have a very strange way of remembering people. You know, I can't remember the name of the sports writer who said it, but you know, people talked about Muhammad Ali after he died and they looked at everything that he did for sports and for civil rights and standing up for himself, but you have to also remember, as fondly as he's remembered now by so many people, there's a lot of people now that are writing

all these hiographies about him that would have despised him when he was alive. You know, and he said, the line that stuck with me was, America didn't love Ali until he literally lost his voice. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, even Martin Luther King, like, why don't we have more people like him? Well, you remember when he got shot? Do you remember why that was? The FBI, exactly. They, they know scoped them from another rooftop, like come on man, you know, let's, we don't, it's, I think that also in some way that a lot of the, and I don't know how far, how much actual good this does, but it seems to me that we're a lot good at sussing out a lot of bullshit,

and I think that we've noticed that even when a lot of really evil people die as of late, you'll have some people to be like, oh, th... person was. We're like, nope, that guy was an asshole and I'm glad he's dead, you know? Like John McCain, for example. There was a lot of, a lot of dancing on that man's grave. Man, I'm going to go online and see whether I can kind of get a, uh, don't speak ill of the dead thing going with Ivan Malat. When did I think you will? Today? What's going on? This morning? Yeah. The captain. He shat his pants and died because he had cancer.

Yep, shed his final pants. It's one last pair of pants. I don't know if you've seen this, but he has like one, I think it's like his nephew or something, who vociferously defends him, who absolutely believes Ivan Millat is a hundred percent innocent. They had a back and forth like letter campaign for a very long time. Um, hang on. I did have some letters from that, but I kind of canned them because it was too grim.

We can find some laughs at Ivan Malat's death. I'm laughing right now. Ivan Malat says of the economy. Even in here we notice the price of things going up. Fucking rice used to be $2.10 for a kilo. Now it is $4.8 a kilo. I don't buy the stuff a lot, but a lot of lads do. And we are restricted to two kilos of buyup. Really makes you think. Wow. Maybe he should be the treasurer. You know, oh wait. No, he can't, he's dead.

All right. You know, I, there's one day where I do, I want to make sure that I don't lose my cell phone reception and that I have access to Twitter is gonna be so hype. I love it. Oh man. But like you're saying, Theo, I mean, the interesting thing with Colin Kappenik is that you can look at this stuff like as it's happening.

And you could see which people during, you know, the sort of initial, initial couple of years of his campaign of protest just kind of went i'm not getting involved in this and then you could see the other people who kind of backed him up like uh... you know people like uh... riana who went no i'm not playing the superball halftime show fuck those guys

uh... you know in solidarity with him but there's also other people who are big, you know, social justice warriors like Jay-Z. And we can kind of see what's happened with him this year in this report from, I think it was, the BBC. Capernick began protesting in 2016 by sitting or kneeling when the national anthem was played before kickoff. Donald Trump, who has benefited from political donations made by at least nine current or former NFL owners, derided the actions as disrespecting our flag

and country. That's actually a legitimately great way to begin the article by the way. How often do you see them lead with the conflict? Yeah. Here is here is directly where he's getting money from that. Before the court. Yeah. The former quarterback 31 has th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the toe toe toean. toean. toean.ean. toean.ean.ean. toean.ean. toe. toe. toe. the from that. Before the court. Yeah. The former quarterback 31 has not played since he became a free agent in 2017. Kappinick and Reed, who now plays to the Carolina Panthers, reached a confidential settlement with the NFL in February after filing complaints that teams colluded to deny them jobs

because of their activism. Like I don't know about anybody else, but to me confidential settlement is 100% of the time admitting that you're guilty of doing a thing. Jay-Z, the first billionaire rapper, according to Forbes, has a history of supporting social justice causes. He told reporters he had spoken to Kappenik about his new deal with the NFL, but the conversation would remain private. So basically, Jay-Z announced a deal earlier this year with the NFL and with Roger Gaddell,

the NFL commissioner in which they would, he would have like, you know, some kind of exclusive deal to organize halftime shows and entertainment and all that sort of stuff. And in exchange, they will have some kind of like social activism element to it. Yeah, it says the League will work with Rock Nation, which is, I think like that's Jay-Z's sort of touring company is that correct? Yeah, that's he, it's his, basically his production company and the record label. The league will work with Rock Nation on its entertainment performances such as the Super Bowl halftime show, but also to quote, strengthen community through football and music. And the NFL's Inspire Change initiative. Inspire change was created after discussions with players who protested the national anthem,

a movement sparked by Colin Kappenick. Jay-Z says, quote, this partnership is an opportunity to strengthen the fabric of communities across America. I love to strengthen the fabric of communities across America by receiving a big bag of money from the NFL. NFL Commissioner Roger Gadel says he was looking forward to quote making a difference and driving social change. According to Mark Garagos, if I'm saying that could do its name right, I've seen it written

many times, never heard it said aloud. Both the NFL and Jay-Z did not contact Colin Kappanick during discussions about their deal. The deal was already done prior to any conversation that Colin had with Jay-Z and he certainly didn't have any conversations with the NFL, the lawyer said, but Jay-Z says, quote, we've moved past kneeling. And I think it's time to go into actionable items and that this partnership can, quote, inspire and educate. So a cynical read on this is that Jay-Z is monetizing the the the that Colin-the that Colin-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe-coe is that Colin-coe that Colin-coe that Colin-coe that that that Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin-coe, Colin-coe, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that thi thi thi thi is thi that this partnership can quote inspire and educate. So a cynical read on this is that Jay-Z is monetizing the rot, right?

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But, you know, Jay-Z always said he was first and foremost a capitalist, and you have to remember that this isn't new, because when the Brooklyn nets were being moved from New Jersey to Brooklyn, you know, he was at, he was a minority owner, and he was talking about how this is going to bring jobs and all this other stuff, and they brought the team, they built the arena and one of the major partners after they got the permits to build a stadium. Well, see, in the legislation that allowed for the stadium to be built, there was also the provision provision provision provision the provision provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision the provision go up in that area as well. So he sold off all of his ownership bits and he ended up developing and of course that's the more

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neoliberal adoption of social justice as a concept. And like we, you know, we've got local examples here like, I can't remember which bank it is but during the during the annual Sydney gay and lesbian Mardi Gras they they it's a bank a local bank that does like they put like rainbow stuff on all their like like automatic tele-m machines and they call them like gay te ms and stuff. Oh that's catchy though I like it. Yeah and it's just this kind of shit where it's like yeah for one week during a year when you know lots of people are looking at this all of a sudden you're interested in being like corporate sponsors and doing shit

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and then nothing happens, and we look back in five years and go, oh, fuck. Yep, pretty much. Especially, yeah, like you're saying, when you've also got people who are like the most visible people involved in this. So in this case, we're talking about Jay-Z, who is definitely someone where he can just come out and say anything that he wants to a reporter and that will get published. And Roger Gaddell, the NFL Commissioner. So anything these two guys say is going to get reported more widely than anything that any

individual could try to spearhead themselves. But as it says here in this piece, Jay-Z's attitude appears to have softened. Sitting next to the NFL commissioner at a press conference in New York last month, Jay-Z said, I think we've moved past kneeling, I think it's time to go on actionable items. We get stuck on Colin not having a job, you know what I'm saying? and this is more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more the deal is more I'm saying? And this is more than that. Gaddell framed the deal as a way for the league to improve its outreach to minority communities. Again, I'm not really sure where this is happening along the way.

More than two-thirds of NFL players are black, but none of the 32 teams have black majority owners. News of the deal with Rock Nation has led to speculation that Jay-Z, who wants out a stake in the Brooklyn-Net's basketball team is interested in becoming the NFL's first black principal team owner. Quote, we don't want people to come in and tell us what we can do better. I think that's a core element of our relationship between the two organizations and with Jay and I personally, Gaddell told told told told the New told the New told the New the New the two organizations and with Jay and I personally, Gaddell told the New York Times. It's very, um, it's very depressing. It's very depressing, but I'm interested to see how we're going to strengthen the fabric of communities across America and inspire and educate by like having Maroon 5 play the Super Bowl halftime show. Yeah, but at no point does he mention why Capernick doesn't have a job? But did he care to address that? Was he was he

gonna get in Roger's ear and say, hey maybe you should, I mean not that it means much, no one really looks at him as a figure of authority. Everyone knows and understands quite correctly that Goodell is there to do the bidding of the owners of the teams and nothing more. He's a servant, not someone who is regulating above that level. So, you know, it's just another wrinkle there, how just how ugly this whole deal is, and it really looks bad when you're the one getting a big bag of money for it. Yeah, and like, at the end of the day Jay-Z has taken the side of the people who you know worked together and colluded to just

silence Colin Kappenick's protest. That's, you can't really make it any more black and white than that. It was a very concerted deliberate effort by those owners to get together and say all right nobody's hiring this guy and after a while like he won't be able to do to do his to do his to do his to do his to do his to do his their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their work their work their work. their work. their work. their. their work. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. You. You. the people. You. You. You. You. You. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to. to. I. I. tog. I. I. tog. I. tog. I tog. I tog. tog. tog. tog. tog. toge. the together. the the the together get together and say, all right, nobody's hiring this guy and after a while like he won't be able to do his protests on the field anymore, people will stop talking about it and we can all move on and Jay-Z would rather make a make a deal with that dude than support anybody else. Which as we said, I don't know why anybody would expect Jay-Z to do anything different but it is just a perfect encapsulation of how causes like this can wind up being co-opted and monetized and smoothed out and science.

And he's not above monetizing anything. You know, you mentioned at the beginning that he was, you know, one of the billionaire rappers, let's not lose sight of the fact that he didn't make that billion by rapping. It was his other business ventures. And you kind of start asking yourself after a point, okay, how much money do you need really? You know, why wouldn't you stand with your principles in this situation? Because he's got enough, but I don't know, maybe it's just not enough for him. And I understand there's that competitive drive. I mean, you guys have addressed this very, very well, much than I could before in the previous episodes. This this fucking greed, good God, it just doesn't end and this is what people are willing to do. Yeah, where is the point at which you can say, well I got a billion dollars, my wife's got

a billion dollars, we will never want for anything as long as we live ever again? So yeah, at what point can you start making slightly more risky decisions with that sort of thing? So, somebody else that we spoke about when Vic was last on, and somebody else who, much like Colin Kappenik, was getting told a lot of the time that he should just shut up and play and be grateful for all the white people who are buying tickets and, you know, funding his prize money money was local legend Nick Curios who we we simply love to see his action out on the field yeah the field

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this guy this guy needs to get it together. So yeah we've we've just loved to see Nick getting out there, live in life and just just generally telling people to fuck off. So we thought we might have a little little roundup of some of the things he's been doing since we last talk. From this story, Nick Curios raised eyebrows in a Laver Cup press conference on Monday by downing a bottle of Stella R. Twyne in six seconds. A journalist had started asking both Curios and his coach John McAner a question when Carious reached for the beer. As he was quizzed on team world's third successive lost to team Europe in the tournament, Curios ignored the reporter and downed

the entire 330-bill bottle. He said upon finishing. Leaving McEnroe to answer the reporter. Oh, I love, and I've seen the clip of that one and the guy starts talking to him and he just picks up the bottle and just drinks the entire thing. It's so on-brand you just gotta love it man. You love to see it, for real, you do. Isn't there, so, Vic, you might know, there was, I remember seeing in the last couple of years, there was an NFL player who absolutely does not get involved with like the after game pageantry just like Curios. Okay. I can't remember what his name was but the same sort of deal where they would ask him questions and he would just like flat out ignore. Yeah, Marscian Lynch. Yes, it was an absolute godsend. I mean he'd say he would actually was he was

going to be facing fines and repercussions if he didn't go out to do the post-game pressors and he sat there and they'd ask him a question, I'm just here so I don't get fined and that was literally every response to every question for that right. They knew not to mess with them after that. If you really want to get a better taste of what and and what beauty and majesty is within a man like Marshan Lynch. You need to go look up that video of him being interviewed by 60 Minutes where he addresses how he deals with adversity by and I quote run through a mothucker face. That's when it just clicked in my mind that if you just run through somebody's face, a lot of people ain't gonna be able to take that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Think there's a deeper metaphor there? Run through a mothucker face. Then you don't have to worry about them no more. It's beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful because he's part trolling but he's part bit he's much, much more serious and it's a ride man. I love it. See, this is one of the things that we talked about with Curious that was interesting was like the whole kind of seething resentment that a certain sector of Australian sports

fandom, tennis fandom specifically Seems to have towards him Specifically because he openly admits that he can play at this level Just like because he has a certain level of natural talent. Yeah, and it's sort of like it kind of breaks the fourth wall almost on sports because we like we treat as you know America does like sports at a professional level as this big serious thing right that should be respected and there should be like dignity in the game and all this kind of horse shit and this guy literally

gets hammered fucking stammers on the court still half half drunk, and wins at a first grade professional level and everyone's like, you can't do that. Well and people also get extremely mad at him like for not trying harder. Not trying. Yeah, it's like I've got depression. I relate to this guy more than anything else in the world. Yeah, I've been there too. Yeah, that that's, that's like you respect that after a while. Well, like, I listened to another podcast called Heavy Hands, which is by Connor and Phil McKenzie, yes, I love those guys. Who also both write for Bloody Elbow.

And one of the things that that they bring up quite frequently on that show is the idea that, as Connor puts it, athleticism is cheating. Where they often talk about, you know, different fighters who, something that people don't seem to talk about enough in coverage of sports and that sort of thing is that some people are just genuinely, genuinely, like genuinely like naturally more physically or mentally predisposed to a certain type of sport. Yeah. And there are some things that you can't train into somebody. No matter how hard they work, there are other people who will just always be more capable of easily learning a thing, who will just naturally have better reflexes or be stronger without

you know doing as much weight training or whatever it is and like you said it kind of it kind of breaks the fourth wall to just say yeah well if you could do what you would but you can't yeah which you said which Nick Curiel also said it's such a crushing disappointment to like sports dads all across the nation who have just spent the last you know three years yelling at their pre-team son for like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th nation who have just spent the last you know three years yelling at their pre-team son for like fucking up on the field until his son's just like crying or whatever like you'll never be great if you keep performing like this and it just like demolishes that entire idea

that hey maybe your kid actually sucks at sports and you can't just yell him into being like a multi-millionaire. Yep, like just every guy out there who thinks, oh well if I had have started training when I was six, I'd be a world champion right now. Yep. Like, would you? Like, remember that report?

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I'd marry a right now, right now, Curios said after his loss. Now, this next one, I really, really loved where this ends. So Nick Curios accused a Queens Club umpire of rigging the game in an angry reaction to some calls in his first round win against Roberto Cabalas Bainer. The 24-year-old showcased his on-court talent with a swift victory, but he was up to his usual land-exaic in his interactions with the officials. Curios earned a set point in the first set but was left furious when the umpire failed

to call Bainer's second server's long. Bro, you are taking the world number 39's assessment. He was not finished making his point. He gestured with his arms to show how far out he felt the surf had landed, threatening to refuse to play and picking up a code violation in the process. His verbal barrage then took a curious turn as he remarked to the umpire, it's a joke man, it's a serious joke. Like your hat looks ridiculous also, it's not even sunny. Your hat looks ridiculous it's not even sunny. You know I would never want to be on the losing end of a game of FIFA against that guy. He would talk so much shit. I wouldn't be able to bear it but I'd love to hear it do maybe done to someone else certainly.

You could make that very entertaining. He's just so good at that. Well, later on in the same tournament, he was criticizing himself in a press conference for losing when he said, so lazy, he described himself. You played FIFA until 3 a.m. What did you expect? How do you hate this guy? I mean, look, I'm sure that off court, I think I've seen some problematic shit. I'm not sure, so I'm going to off court, I think I've seen some problematic shit, I'm not sure, so I'm going to leave that caveat in. But honestly, if someone says that at a press conference, how do you hate him? How do you not just not find that incredibly relatable, the thought that you're just going to fuck

up a good thing that you've got that's been basically handed to you because he can't stop getting habit and playing FIFA. But yeah like he just I guess that's what's fascinating to me is that he just doesn't seem to care about like just trading wins and losses you know like he wins some like he loses some sometimes it's because just seemingly halfway through a match he gets frustrated or bored and just goes fuck this and like some matches he goes really well and just crushes other people in an elite level but it seems to just be be pretty down to how he feels at the time which is the most millennial type of elite sports that I can

imagine. I don't know man if you were like consistently being singled out for a decorum and being someone who brings a bad name to the sport when other people have done probably worse things than you at some point I'd probably have a bit of an edge to you as well, you know, I don't know. That's not to excuse some of the more problematic things that he's done, like, you know, throwing things at the wall and all that. You might hurt someone with that kind of deal, you know, but yeah, yeah, this is just kind of who he is, man, you're not going to change.

Oh man. Oh, man. Nick Kieros has taken his to before he is due to take on Raphael Nadal. That's got to take the edge off, man. You know. Curios was spotted at the Dog and Fox on the third night of the championship, staying out past 11 p.m. and enjoying drinks with friends. Curios is no stranger to unique pre-match behavior. As he demonstrated earlier at Acapulco this year, speaking on the No Challenges remaining podcast in May, Curios revealed that he began the tournament by, quote, getting

hammered and was out every night. My average sleep hours was seven or eight, but I was going to bed at 4.30 a.m. on average, he said, I was playing and everyone was going out. If I had a GoPro, I could have made a movie. I was packing my bag and I would take my going out clothes. It was insane. I was jet skiing and partying and I want a tournament. I got hammered at the players party and somehow played unbelievable that week. The stars aligned. I was having a lot of fun. And people hate that. They hate to hear that someone tells it is having a lot of fun. They want them to have all of the weird mental illnesses that their parents gave them by torturing them to practice 18 hours a day for their entire childhood. They want someone who was broken and depressed and incredibly competent. They don't want someone

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My goodness. So he's an enjoyable dude to watch, in my opinion, in the ways that some people will say, hey hey this guy's uncool his dipshit or whatever somebody else who's making waves in mixed martial arts these days in the UFC is somebody who does seem like a real genuine dip shit and piece of shit which is I guess current interim title holder Colby Covington who is a big-time maga dipshit. He wears his hat everywhere, he talks about how much he loves Donald Trump, and he's constantly saying cool things to the media like. The haters are saying, I'm the underdog. You know who else was the underdog?

The ruler of our nation, Donald Trump. And just like Trump, I'm going to grab these pussies and put them in their place. Mm-hmm. Very cool stuff. He also tweets things like, my haters are all virgins who have no life, goals or future. They debate Star Wars and World of Warcraft while I'm out winning. No one's pretty good. I mean he's not wrong. But yeah, I guess like his whole thing is essentially like just being a pro wrestling bad guy. It all comes across as like extremely rehearsed and contrived and fake. Which it translates well into like click bait kind of articles on

MMA sites where every time he says something stupid about another fighter or you know management in the UFC or a politician or whatever you know be you can make an article out of that. But it doesn't seem to translate very well into actual success forum in the sense of like people buying a lot of tickets to doesn't seem to translate very well into actual success for him in the sense of like people buying a lot of tickets to events that he's headlining. As far as I'm aware the paper views that he's been fighting on top of don't actually sell very well, despite there being so much talk about everything that he says and does. And that all kind of strikes me

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Even in that, like it's one thing for it not to generate buy rates or ticket sales, but it didn't even get him any sort of clout. Like, usually something like that happens, it'll get covered in some other outlet, like, you know, Fox News will probably have him on, and he'll be the darling of conservative media circuits. He'll do the sort of, he'll do the car wash and be on this site and for this group and show up at a convention. That hasn't even happened for him. It's weird because he is in fact on an elite level, but what hinders him, not only is his dialogue cringe, not only has he shown time and time again that he's not good at thinking on his feet when challenged for his statements and the things that he says, he's not, he's not that much fun for a lot of people.

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things away from him and dicking him over whenever they feel like it or whenever he doesn't agree to do things. So even within the structure of the UFC he doesn't have that kind of cloud of clout, their tri-tru-Trumpism, it seems like generally what you get is you wind up being ostracized from only your friends and family and professional relationships and then you get to complain to strangers on the internet about that. Yeah, you basically end up alone at Thanksgiving eating a Marmite sandwich and complaining about the world. I mean, I don't, I just, there is no real, but you feel, at least you feel a little better

that your team is on top because ultimately that's what all this stuff boils down to. You know, that's the only other way that you can support something, regimes as heinous as this. It's because their team is on top and they're winning, even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even their their their their their their their their their their their their have heard of this already. There was a report done on, it was a company, I believe in Louisiana, that they did some kind of, I believe it was reinforcement for boats or something like that, and under the tariffs with China some convoluted manner, they're losing money and one of the guys who was a Trump supporter basically had to fold his business and he still supports Trump. He still feels that they're winning and that the country's doing better, even though by no metrics whatsoever that there's

any bad, anything to back that up. But he's still with the guy. And that is really what you're dealing with at the end of the day. That is what you're facing. It's just people that want to feel like they're winning because they're winning because that there are other forces of play that are allowing them to feel less empowered and it has nothing to do with who's in the White House in terms of a day-to-day thing. It's got more to do with the fact that your future's already been bought and sold and there's nothing you can do about it. a lot of people. It is just personal grievance. It's just, I'm happy that something I'm doing is making the people I don't like upset. Yeah, it's another matter, it's basically a framework that is an encapsulation of like, you've probably seen these vehicles that people modify to kick out like four times as much smog.

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Well, I think that it's about all we have time for this week. So thank you very much for joining us Vic. Where can people find you on Twitter and podcasts and websites and all that kind of thing? Yeah, so on Twitter, I'm at Vic M. Rodriguez. It's not all doom and gloom, I promise you. I do occasionally post funny things that are not always connected to combat sports and people playing punchy face, but there is a bit of that, a fair bit. Instagram is Victor Sinister Rodriguez, if you want to look at a lot of food, because that's really where I'm all I'm posting right now. As I mentioned or as Andrew

would ask previously at the top of the podcast, we are at the level change podcast. Also I believe it's level change pod on Twitter and all of our episodes drop on Saturday, Australia time. So you'd be able to get it bright and early in the morning as it drops at 3 o'clock here in the U.S. And it's part of the Bloody Elbow Collective. We have basically like a different podcast for every day of the week but ours is Friday and we do a lot of great stuff and analysis there and yeah that's that's pretty much it man we're just churning out a lot of

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