Boonta Vista - EPISODE 129: Squeal Team Six

Episode Date: December 16, 2019

Andrew, Ben and Theo look at the second draft of the Australian Government's Religious Discrimination bill to see who gets to do the discrimination, then turn to a particularly foreboding Nature Corner. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Merchandise: boontavista.com/merchandise Twitch: twitch.tv/boontavista

Welcome to Buntavista episode 129. I'm Andrew. I'm here with my friend Ben. Hello Ben. Hey, hello Andrew. Hello. Hello. Hello. Ben. Hey. Is that short for Benjamin? Is that short for Benjamin? It is short for Benjamin, that's 100% correct, yes. Great. Is Andrew short for... Yeah. Andruth. Andruth. Androngermen. Uh, no. Okay. Got a full name. I've got an uncut name. I've got an uncut name, if you will.

Don't know about that. Theo, I've got an uncut name, if you will. I don't know about that. Theo, I believe you're uncut as well. The Thea has a circumcised name, actually. I do not have a circumcised name. You do. It's not, you haven't shortened it yourself. It was shortened for you against your will as a baby. No, no, it was that length when I was born. And it remains intact.

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So, hey, a little update on a story that we've spoken about in the past, which is all of the Israel Falow religious discrimination bill kind of stuff. One rugby player said a bunch of stupid shit on social media. His workplace, like most people's workplaces now said, you can't actually do that and fired him. And he said, hey, I'm going to take my million dollars, ask a bunch of other dipshits for millions

of dollars via go fund me. And then me and rugby Australia will settle with each other outside of court for an undisclosed sum, apologize to one another, and the $3 million raised through go fund me for my legal battle will go somewhere? I'm guessing into his pockets. Let's them walking around money, baby. Now he can really get a cash in the bank. Now you got a, now you got a war fund for whatever kind of public discrimination you would like to embark on. I love to have a war chest.

What a dream, right? Like, you're going about your life. You've got various kind of, you've got shit you've got to take to the war chest. You've got shit you've got to to take care of. Where are you going to pay for that shit from that shit? that shit? that shit, the the war the war to to the war to pay for that ship from the old war chest? You just dip into the war chest. You just dip into the war chest. Full of Dabloons, bullion. Guns.

Mm-hmm. I assume there are guns in the war chest. In the war chest. Well, you'd bloody hope so. And if they're right, you can turn some of the balloon into guns into guns. That's true. That's pirate talk now. On the on the Freemar. Yeah, somebody rear ends you in traffic, drives off, what do you do? You turn around, well you first you get out, you walk around, you pop the trunk. And what's in there? But your war chest, baby. Overflowing, I'm imagining like the classic kind of pirate

chest where it's too full to be closed properly, you know There's there's big um, doubloons spilling out red rubies Big red rubies I'm kind of picturing that it's absolutely full to the brink of footpicks. Huh. That's uh, that's what's what's in the war chest just invaluable footpicks. Surely that's more of a footlocker kind of. Fuck off. Mmm. That's a scenario.

God damn it. Hmm. No. Anyway, Israel, don't laugh at that. Go back in time. Don't encourage him. Rewind the show, use the little minus 30 seconds thing on your podcast app and then do not chuckle.

Go back in time to make sure to tell Angie to fuck himself. Yep. So Israel for now has one of these so that if he's just cruising around, somebody offends him, he's like, oh baby he can do the thing where he interlocks his fingers, turns his palms outward, cracks all of his knuckles and he says, time for some bigotry. Yep, opens up the war chest. I'm going to pay for it with this. He can be like, I

already have a multi-million dollar war chest from another bout of heavyweight discrimination that I didn't even have to spend. I got money for doing that. Which is, you know... Like how Uber, when they illegally launched in Australian cities, they just paid for everyone's fines. So they're like, hey, you're doing crimes, but we're just going to pay for it, so it doesn't really count as doing a crime. He's got that money sitting there he can do any hate crime he wants. It's got his hate crime war chest.

I hate crime pass. We will never issue what of those. No, you'll never hear one of them on the show. Not from this show, no. So the update on this is that despite seemingly there no longer being a kind of public impetus for this law to be done, this was the whole kind of thing if we all remember a former attorney general George Brandis saying, hey, people have a right to be a bigot, which you love to hear from your elected leaders.

So they're just kind of pushing on with this one. It's been sort of stalling repeatedly because they put forward a draft and lots of religious leaders say this doesn't give us enough right to discriminate. What's the point? What's the point if I can't discriminate enough, you know? Without purpose. But the second draft has arrived. discriminate enough, you know? Without purpose. But the second draft has arrived. Apparently it's going to have wide-ranging effects on many areas of public life, including access to medical services, schooling, employment, social media, aged care,

hospitals, and even some commercial services. All places I've definitely sat down to thought, you know what, these things could need, is more discrimination. I have often been, um, let's say I've been, I've been getting a role of film processed. That thing people do all the time. Now, Ben, do you still do that? Oh yeah, relatively frequently, yes. Yeah, okay. So let's say you went down there. It's not a paid sponsorship but they do a good job. They have to put up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up the their up their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tho tho their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. Do their. Do their. Do their. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do their. Do. Do. Do th. Do. Do. Do th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thi. the. thi. their thi. their their thi. their you went down there. Check them out. It's not a paid sponsorship, but they do a good job. They have to put up with your nudes. Day and day out. It's happened.

So let's say that you go down there and you put in another role of film and they say, uh, yeah, maybe I can do that for you, but you look suspiciously unmarried. Have you been having unmarried sex? And you say, yeah? And they go, oh, well, you're going to hell. And they slam the little door shot on the, it's like a booth that's shaped like a camera. It's like a booth that's shaped like a camera. They slammed a little door shot. That's a big

camera. The guys looking at you out of the lens portal type thing. Oh wow, sure. It's like the it's like the bluth banana stand but camera's not. Yeah, fair enough. Maybe it would probably make more sense for it to be like a roll of film, you know, more cylindrical kind of thing. But then you wouldn't have space to get all the stuff developed. Oh my goodness. It's a logistical nightmare trying to develop a building that is the shape of camera equipment within which you can get your anachronistic film developed. Well, I mean, maybe if it was in the shape of a twin-l camera because that is a tall oblong and also

it's got two different lenses on it one at the top one at the bottom so you could you could look out through the top lens and then the bottom hole I won't go to detail but I'm gonna call it the rude hole the camera's anus, if you will. Oh my goodness. Because most cameras have a Kloaker setup. True, it's just the one hole. The in and out, yeah. But would your average punter recognize that as a traditional camera though,

or would they say, that's a weird building? No, they just walk on with their rolls, like roles of films spilling out of their arms that they're carrying too many roles of film and they don't know where to get them developed. Oh, I just can't carry all of these rolls of film, you're like the stock photo guy. God damn it. So a question that we've been asking on this podcast, uh, and maybe even in other places. When this conversation came up in the past it was always like people saying hey these days you can't even say things. You're Australian yet because you get arrested and

they'll throw you in jail. Things. These days. The PC police will come, and they will lock you up, they'll put you inside one of these socialist SJW gulags. And a very effective question to ask when this sort of thing comes up is, what exactly is it that you want to say and you are currently being prevented from saying?

And I feel like that was a very effective question until they produced the answers, which are nightmarish. Till they produced a comprehensive list as part of this draft of the religious discrimination bill. I kind of assumed before this point that the only effective answer to this question was the N word. I want to shout the N word in the street and society won't let me and that's why my society is bad and full of S-JWs. That's kind of what I what I thought people were getting at when they would say, hey political correctness is

gone psycho. I mean you joke about that but that whole situation cuts both ways. I mean we had the Coney 2012 guy I feel like destroyed in his prime just because he went mad and whacked off in the street. Yeah. Let he who is without sin. Uh huh. Yep. Jerk off in the street the first time.

Yep. So here, here from the second draft of the religious discrimination bill are the examples of the kind of things that would now be protected speech under this bill. And I would just say, buckle up because I don't think anyone's going to enjoy these. Just on a, like a qualitative level. This, this sucks. Why? Why? Yeah, look, we'll get into this.

We will, we will get into this. Let me hear you with some of these examples of protected cases, like protected statements of religious belief. And ask yourself as we're going through this, what percentage of the Australian public do you think wants this as a protected form of speech in public life? Here we go.

So the protection received here is that statements of religious belief will not be found to breach other federal, state, and territory discrimination laws. So this is like a nationally superseding version of these laws. So even if you have... Complete Carter Blanche. It's like in the comic book series a hundred bullets, except instead of getting a gun that you can't be prosecuted for doing crimes with, uh, you get a homophobic slur that you can't be prosecuted for doing crimes with.

Yeah, so even if your local state or city or council or whatever has specific laws about this, this will now supersede those. So here are some of the examples they give you of things that you can say that will now be protected speech. A Christian may say that unrepentant sinners will go to hell, an example cited in the case which mirrors the facts of Israel for Lao's case. A doctor may tell a transgender patient of their religious belief that God made men and women in his image and the gender is

therefore binary. You got gotta love having a doctor who says, science, that's one thing, but my god buddy tells me in his special book. Is that the kind of doctor that we're after here? Like you'd just walk out, surely. Like if they were like halfway through being like, hey we're gonna start you on hormone replacement, just letting you know in the Bible, you'd be like by the time Bible has come out, you're just standing if you're walking out the door, just like peace. You're not gonna be paid for this one.

Uh, bye. Here's another example, a single mother who when dropping her child off a daycare may be told by a worker that she is sinful for denying her child a father. God damn. I'm assuming I'm just assuming here that this is if you are a gay parent or if you like have have um I don't know if you've adopted or had IVF or whatever. Or if you're the victim of domestic violence. Or your husband died maybe in a car crash. They're supposed to be like, hey, little Jessica was great today. So it's really good with colors. Hey, by the way, yep.

You're actually morally corrupt because your husband died. Go fuck yourself. You haven't just immediately married someone else. Have a good one, we'll see her tomorrow. Loving a progress. I'm enjoying how all of these are just slotted into everyday conversation as well. In between talking about the weather and what you're doing today. By the way, everything about your existence is wrong.

Yeah. How about this one? Because like one of the things, one of the things that people talked about with, you know, stuff like the Israel Falo case was, when somebody says publicly, I think that all of these types of people who are different to me are all going to burn in hell for all of eternity for being these like disgusting unrepentant sinners. And the question is kind of like, yeah, okay, but let's say you work with this guy, how are you meant to keep working with him on a day-to-day basis knowing that he feels like

this about you. So here's another example of again protected statements of religious belief under this this new draft bill. A woman may be told by her manager that women should submit to their husbands or that a woman should not be employed outside the home. How are you supposed to go into work? Like let's say for example, this protection would apply in the public service. You just go in your office job in the public service and have your boss casually tell you. I think actually that you should just be at home.

Like women shouldn't be allowed to have jobs and that you should be at home just begging for your husband's approval and doing what you're told? By the way I am the person that fills in all of your evaluations to see whether you get a raise or not at the end of this and also you can't do anything about this just by the boy you can go fuck yourself, see you tomorrow. How about this one? A student with a disability may be toled toled toled toled toled toled toled toled toled toled to to the the to the the th the thi thi thi thi their their the their their their their their thi. thi. the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. I th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I'm the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I'm the. I'm you tomorrow. How about this one? A student with a disability may be told by a teacher that their disability is a trial imposed by God. Like... Who is thinking up these examples? Absolutely. I feel like there's a real brainstorming process going on.

All right guys, let's... I know it's late, but let's, let's do this. What the fuck else can we come up with? No idea, too small, too big. You ought to tell a woman she looks like a rat? Fine, we'll chuck that in there, that's, that's, okay. What else? Dogs are born from eggs. Yep, yep. Let's... All right. Now, here's the last, here's the last, here's the last, here's the last, here's the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f the f the f the f the f the f the f the f the f the f the f the f, what the f, what the f, what the f, what the f. the f, the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f, the f, the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the f.c.c.c. the f.c.c.c. the f.c. the f.c. the f. the f.c. the f. the f, now, all right, here's the last example on the statements of religious belief section, because there's multiple sections here. Now I'm going to give you a shot in a chaser here. I'm going to give you the old one-two, the double whammy of the final example followed immediately by the caveats to these exemptions and let's see if we can make any sense out of this okay a

person of a minority faith may be told by a retail assistant from another religion that they are a quote heathen destined for eternal damnation caveats statements must be made in good faith, must not be malicious or harass, vilify or incite hatred against a personal group. How exactly can a retail assistant tell a customer from another religion that they are a heathen destined for eternal damnation in good faith and without maliciously harassing that person. Well I feel like there's a great degree of them, the belief that by telling people this, right, that they will be saved, right, that they will go, oh cool, I hadn't thought of it that way. I have actually spent my entire life up until this point, kind of forming my own belief systems

based on observations about the world that I make around me, my lived experience, so on and so forth, but now that you have told me this, that I am destined for eternal damnation, I am going to actually check this, that I am destined for eternal damnation, I am going to actually check the other thing out. I'm going to do the other. That really is, I believe, what they see happening and that that's a positive change, right? And it's a very old kind of deal, right? Like I don't feel like that the modern age of like young Christians or what have you're, like, the, the, the other, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, right? Like, I don't feel like that the modern age of young Christians or what have you are really, I feel like this is like something

that your grandparents would tell you at a dinner or something when they realize the way that you've been living your life for the last however long. But like it seems like it seems bizarre. And like you said, who is this for? What percentage of Australians are really dying to tell everybody this. And also, how do they make this judgment? Is that a customer at work? Yeah, real quick, I've just done the math in my head.

And turns out, I know where you're going after you die, so that's cool. I just doesn't make any sense. I just came in to get a Dyson Airblade for my mother-in-law for Christmas and I wasn't expecting to get saved. But here I am, and to be honest, there's going to be a tip in it for you. Like, yeah, I just, it's hard enough, it is hard enough to picture any possible hypothetical context in which this conversation could present itself, in which a conversation could happen where you could be telling a customer in your workplace. You're a retail assistant and you're helping somebody at fucking David Jones or whatever.

And it just happens to come up that you realize that they are a different religion to you. And you say, oh, by the way, you filthy fuck, you're going to burn forever. But, but like, you know, I said it in good faith. I just, I can't even begin to comprehend the context where this comes up organically, and which then drives us back to, who are the people who are advocating for this, saying, yeah, this is a thing that I want to be a form of protected speech. Like, not just, just, the fuck. Like, not just, to, to, like, like, to just, like, to just, like, to just, the f-f-f, like, like, fuck, fuck just, fuck just, fuck just, fuck just, like, fuck just, fuck just, like, fuck just, fuck, fuck, like, fuck, fuck, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, I, I, I, I, I, I just, I just, I just, I just, are advocating for this saying, yeah, this is a thing that I want

to be a form of protected speech? Like not just protected speech, but who could even look at this and say, and who could look at this and interpret in any kind of good faith that this is a statement that could be made to a customer in your workplace in a way that was not harassment or in good faith. Also, I'm scanning down the employment section as well, and there's absolutely, all of the examples are people doing things that are counter to the actual purpose and deal of their job, right? There's nowhere in there that says you can necessarily fire, for example, a doctor who is a Jehovah's Witness, who refuses to perform blood transfusions. Right? Like, there is nothing in the list there that says, hey, we can, that's fine.

If we want to construct this strange world where you can say and do anything you like, that it actually goes the other way, and if you've got someone, the th, th, to, to, the the to, the to, the to, the the the the to, the the the the to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, for, the, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, and do anything you like, that it actually goes the other way. And if you've got someone who is in a position of power who does not hold those beliefs, that you can say, hey, my belief is that you're shitty at your job because you're a huge asshole because you keep telling people that they are absolute devils, right? So you're fired, but I can't see that anywhere in there. I assume probably haven't scald down far enough. What are these?

So I mean, the thing specifically with medical services that sort of puzzles me is that I, through watching television, I have come to the understanding that there are things that I, through watching television, I have come to the understanding that there are things that a doctor is supposed to do, there are basic beliefs of being a doctor, like the whole first do no harm thing, all that kind of stuff. And if there are, if you have personal beliefs that you feel so strongly must be prosecuted as part of your being a doctor that they involve actively withholding treatment from people, how is that not harming people?

Hey, maybe there will be some examples in the next section about medical services. So the protection received here is that unless it is against the law to refuse treatment, health practitioners are allowed to conscientiously object to providing a health service and no professional rules can override that right. So here are some of the examples. Example, a Catholic doctor refusing to provide contraception to all patients, or to prescribe hormone treatment for gender transition. So again, I just, I don't understand how you can function as a doctor with like whole categories of treatment that you just refused to prescribe to anybody?

If you like wanted to, maybe this is the wrong thing to fix that on, but say you wanted to go and get a prescription for the pill, right? And you don't go to a bulk billing doctor and you walk in and you say, hello, I am sexually active and I would like to go on the pill and also I've got some period stuff that I want to deal with or whatever. Hello doctor, I am DTF. I want to fuck real bad and I'm sick of those bloody condoms. If the doctor then says, oh, no, I'm not that sort of doctor.

And then you go, okay, and then you walk out and you pay whatever the excess is, you pay your 37 bucks. Is that, that's how that situation plays out? And you never ever return? Like you just... You tell everybody you know about this psycho doctor? He just says, oh don't fuck, actually. Oh and period pain is a punishment you're having for being sexually active. So don't even worry about it. That's an original sin situation that you're encountering there. Yeah, it's absolutely baffling. How about a Catholic nurse who refuses to participate in abortion procedures

or to provide the morning after a woman admitted to hospital after a sexual assault? Yep, cool person. A pharmacist refusing to provide the pill to women for contraceptive use, or hormone treatment. So how about this one? A doctor could refuse to prescribe post-exposure prophylaxes, the morning after pill, within the required 72-hour window to a patient whose condom broke during a sexual encounter on the basis of religious beliefs that forbid sexual activity outside of marriage. How the fuck do you even find out?

Yeah, so, how are you burning down with there? Yep, no, I see, so, but, uh, not married I hear. How does this come up? Like does the doctor say, oh, yeah, no, no problem at all. Hey, do I see a wedding ring there? No? So who were you having sex? I assume it was your husband? And they say, no, I was just having sex.

And you go, cool, get the fuck out. Like, it's extremely puzzling stuff. Oh, here we go, baby. How about this example? A psychiatrist could say to a woman with depression that, quote, she should be looking forward to the kingdom of heaven. Like, these are just, this is a laundry list of people that should not hold their jobs. Yeah, um, yeah, I would basically say these seem to be people who are not capable of fulfilling the roles that they are in.

So it does say here, um, under the proposed new laws, the psychiatrist could challenge their the roles that they are in. So it does say here, under the proposed new laws, the psychiatrist could challenge their deregistration as religious discrimination, while the patient could have their disability discrimination complaint refused. Oh cool. It's really good that we're making sure that all the right people are being protected from discrimination here. Oh boy. It's just like that this is the religious discrimination bill, which in my understanding is an attempt to say, hey, there's all kinds of discrimination happening

against people of different religious groups and We need to make sure that those people are protected yet strangely Every example that they provide is an extremely open and hostile act of discrimination being perpetrated by someone Yeah from someone with someone with power on somebody with less power than them. And the whole point is merely to say you are allowed to do your discrimination. Not that it is a religious person being protected from discrimination. Yeah. I also have real quick on Ben's question of like is this what it will look like at a doctor surgery. My feel from experience in the in the US is that probably more what it's what it will look like at a doctor surgery, my feel from experience in the in the US is that probably more of what it's going to

look like is people who perhaps may not understand their rights or understand their options that are out there going into a doctor's surgery and being presented with an artificially limited list of options to say well these are the things you can do like like your choice now is to give birth in a the to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their the their their their th. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their is is is is is is is is is is is is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their their their their their their their their their the the the the the US is probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably the the the the the the the the the US the the the the the the th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the say, well, these are the things you can do. Like, your choice now is to give birth in nine months' time. So, that's cool, and we'll be here for that, right? Like, that's what we've seen in places where these laws really get down to brass tax in the medical situation where people may not even know what they're missing out on as far as, as far as, as, the, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, the, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, is, is, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thus, thus, thus, thus, thi, thi thus, thus, thi thi thi thi they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they thi thi thi thi that that that thate that thate that that that that the that that that the they're that, and they won't send their patients there. And those patients may not actually understand

that that is an option, which sucks, that sucks big time. Can I do something weird right now? I don't know if this is a weird thing to do. This is one of these times that I am so genuinely perplexed by the idea the amount of people out there doing this sort of thing, that I'm forced to put out a call to listeners of the show. I want to know if anybody listening to this show has ever actually encountered a doctor who has said, oh on account of me loving the Lord, I cannot

treat you for X, Y or Z or I cannot prescribe this out of the other. So right into mail bag at I cannot treat you for X, Y, or Z, or I cannot prescribe this out of the other. So right into Mailbag at PuntaVista.com, and let us know if you have actually had anything like this before. Of course, please, you know, don't tell us anything that you wouldn't want us to say on the show and tell us if you would like us to withhold any particular details or anything like that. I'm just really genuinely, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to, to, to, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I have, and I have, and I have, and I have, and I have, thi, thi, thi, try, try, try, try th, thus, that, that, I, thus, thi, the, to the, the, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have try, I have try, I have try, I have try try try not try not try not try not try not try not try not try not try not, try not, try not, try not, try not, thr-a, that that. I'm just really genuinely, like for me personally, I have never and I have never known anybody who has been to a doctor and have the doctor say, well I can't prescribe the pill on account of being mad Catholic.

So I would just really genuinely like to know if anybody has actually encountered this out in the wild. Please write in to Mailbag at Buntabista.com and let us know. And we'll give a little update. I've I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I have th. I have th. I have th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi, I have thi, I have never have never have never have never have never have never have never have th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have th, I have thi, I have thi, I have thi thi thi to me to me that to me that that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi anybody has actually encountered this out in the wild. Please write in to mailbag at Buntabista.com and let us know. And we'll give a little update on the show. Oh hey, the last one here says that a law passed by a state parliament banning the promotion of programs that seek to quote unquote convert LGBTIQ people could be overridden by the federal attorney general as an infringement on statement of belief. So isn't it great that in the year 2019 we are seeking to put in protections for conversion

therapy. Fucking hell. Which is literally discriminating against folk for their beliefs, right? Like that is an actual and literal act of discrimination to say, well, you're too gay for me, so what I might do is just tort you real quick for a few years. Yeah, I'm going to permanently psychologically daungically damage you when you're at your most vulnerable, and we're going to do this because of some newspaper editorials. It's legal. We're here to make sure that I guess Andrew Bolt doesn't get upset, you know. Here are the exemptions under

employment. Although the primary aim of the bill is to prohibit religious discrimination, there are a range of exemptions that will allow religious discrimination to continue. I thought, silly me, I thought that was every fucking example that we've read so far. Hmm. For example, religious hospitals, age care providers or accommodation providers such as retirement villages may discriminate against their staff on the basis of religion both in terms of hiring and to set code of conduct requiring them to act in accordance with that faith.

A religiously affiliated business may require senior leaders to hold to set code of conduct requiring them to act in accordance with that faith. A religiously affiliated business may require senior leaders to hold or engage in a particular religious belief or activity where that is an inherent requirement of those positions. I would love to know what business has an inherent requirement of adhering to a particular religion. I feel like that probably doesn't exist. An Anglican public benevolent institution could require its employees, including volunteer workers to uphold and act consistently with Anglican doctrines and teachings at work.

Domestic duties, a person hiring a live-in, nanny or in-home carer services may require that they be of the same religious belief or activity as that person. The Peter Dutton clause. May require that you be South African. An employer can ask a prospective employee whether they observe any holy days during which they can't work to determine if they can fulfill the inherent requirements of the work. Wow. Oh, do you take Christmas off? What possible interpretation can we have of that? Other than to say here is a legal loophole which you can use to overtly attempt to identify somebody's religious beliefs and then exclude them from the hiring process on the basis.

That's it. This one seems like the only example of actual discrimination against someone for their religion as opposed to a form of discrimination you can do because you're religious. This is just being like, oh, you're Hindu. No, I'm sorry. Hmm. Oh, you you will need a several days during the year to observe a non-Christian religious day. Yeah. No, thank you. No, thank you. No, thank you. And then we get down here too. And then we get down here to social media. An office worker could declare on social media that a fellow employee is in a wheelchair because they are sinful

and then urge them to attend a faith healer. The workplace inclusion policy would be overridden by such a statement of belief and any action taken against the offender could be appealed to the Human Rights Commission as religious discrimination. Really just swinging for the fences with this one I feel. Now we are getting like what it like a comically kind of evil thing to just go on social media and say could be? Well it's interesting because like you know something that we've talked about a lot on the thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the human human human human human human to to the human human to the human human the human the human the human to just the human the human the human to just the human rights to the human rights to to the human rights the human rights to to just the human rights to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the human human human human human human human the the the the the human human human human the the human. the human. thi. the human. thi. the human right thi. the the the human rights. the the human rights the human rights the human rights the human rights the human rights the human rights the human rights the the. the the. the. thi. thi because like, you know, something that we've talked about a lot on this show before is the many ways in which workplaces now reach further and further

into your personal life, whether that be having all types of, you know, social events and retreats and all that kind of thing that you're expected to do which all kind of bleed into your time that you're not actually supposed to be at work working or whether it be the many policies that say, hey, if you ever post anything on social media, it's you're actually doing it on behalf of your workplace and if you post something that we don't agree with, it gives us right to fire you and all that sort of stuff. And so we have all of these ways in which workplaces and corporate interests keep bleeding further and further into our personal lives, but they're not really trying to do anything about that. They're just trying to say that if you are just religiously bigoted and say some fucking awful stuff about somebody that you work with in a public forum that your workplace isn't allowed to say, don't, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their work, their work, work, their work their work their work their work work their work work work work work work work work their work work work work work work work work work work work work work work, work work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, their work, their work, their work, their work, the the the the their work, the their work, their work, their work, their work their work, their work, their work, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their work, to to that to their workplaces, their workplaces, their work places their work, their work, that you work with in a public forum, that your

workplace isn't allowed to say, don't? Hey maybe please don't do that? Hey real quick, just shut the fuck up now and put it please. Well in exactly the same way that I would think that, you know, probably a reasonable social media use policy for a workplace would be to say, like, hey, if you have on your social media profile, you know, I work at the Dick Sucking Factory, and Tony down in the Dick Sucking Factory is a real piece of shit and I hate that guy, and I hope he dies, that your work would probably be able to say like, you know, people can pretty easily surmise from this that both you and Tony work at the dick-sucking

factory, us, your place for employment. This kind of constitutes, you know, an act of harassment of somebody else that you're working with and is a pretty shitty thing to do and also reflects pretty poorly on us and our employees. But as long as you change dick-sucking factory out to not the same religion as me and is going to burn in hell forever, then that's all good. It's all gravy baby. Also I feel like one depressing thing to come out of this is perhaps, um, now I'm not saying this is going to happen, I'm just warning

as a possibility. We are going to see an influx of flying spaghetti monster bumper stickers. Oh God, you're right, this is awful. And that to me is just, it's abhorrent to the eye. Don't, don't ever, if there are photos that ever surface of my 1998 dark blue Hyundai Excel, from perhaps a rear aspect, I will say ahead of time that those photos are doctored. Liable, slander, character assassination. Well, we will get to this in a second actually. We'll wheel back around to this because we have one more... We have an example here about schooling. And I find it very interesting that the example I've chosen here is a Jewish school

may require that it's staff and students be Jewish and accordingly refuse to hire or admit someone because they were not Jewish. And I find it interesting because the example that is always kind of used here is Catholic schools because I think they are the sort of predominant mode of private education within Australia. But also Catholic schools are kind of interesting in that they're also a they're also like a as a educational institution that just as as much about like status and wealth and access to social networks and all that kind of thing as they are about any form of religious teaching, right? Do we all agree with that?

For you know, for example, current Labour Party leader Anthony Albanyese attended the oldest Catholic school in Australia in a fancy Sydney suburb. So it's obvious that there is a lot of Catholic schooling that is like old boys club kind of stuff. And yet, just the fanciest Sydney private schools. So when they do things like, say, we fired our gardener because we found out he was gay, it sort of has you asking questions like, you seem to be doing overt discrimination for a place that also charges shitloads of money to students who are not Catholic as your entire business

model, you know? But we also hear people sort of say when that criticism is bored up. Oh, would you say the same thing if it was like an Islamic school that refused to the that, that refuse to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, you thi, like you thi, like you thi, like you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thin, you do do do do thin, you do do thin, thin, thin. doeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thin, oh would you say the same thing if it was like an Islamic school that refused to hire somebody who was not Muslim? So I find an interesting that I've kind of settled in the middle here and said, what if it was a Jewish school that didn't hire a Jewish person? I feel like they're very deliberately skirted around talking about either Christianity or Islam in this example. Yeah, and I think there's a kind of corollary to this in that if this came about and if it became socially encouraged to actually pursue this option,

that the financial base for every single Catholic private school in the country would be utterly fucked. Right, to say, hey, students, if you can all just gather in this room, real quick, everyone, just raise your hand if you're actually Catholic. Just, just like if you're, don't put your hand up if you're like wavering, if you're not sure, if you're still at a time in your life when you're working out how the world runs, everyone with your hands up, that's cool, you can go to the next room where you can keep going to school. In fact, just go back to your classes. Everyone else, don't bother coming in tomorrow. See you. Like that's an actual option the Catholic schools are going to pursue because like you said, they are like banking on non-Catholic people going there for the prestige because Catholic schools are the default prestige school option in Australia.

Yeah. So here's the last example here in terms of the flying spaghetti monster. Accommodation camps and conference sites. So the rule here that they're seeking is that religious camps and conference sites may discriminate against another person on the grounds of religious belief or activity in the provision of accommodation. This is an exemption lobbied for by the Sydney Anglican Church with reference to this example. Anglican youth work should be able to reject an application from the first Church of Satan to hold a black mass at one of their campsites. Boy. Mm-hmm. I mean, well, first of all, I feel like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I, I, I, I don't, I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I don't thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. th th thi. th th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. like I don't know maybe it's just their online presence but the Church of Satan is insufferable I have nothing against

their morals it's just the Church of Libertarians it fucking sucks but but also like do they really want to just pull it this thread a little? Is this a thread that they want to pull out? Because doesn't the entire thing start to unravel if you can discriminate in a workplace or what have you against other religious beliefs? I don't, it seems like they're, the space that they're trying to inhabit with this is very small. Yeah. Yes, whether or not you can then turn to another religion and say, hey, except you guys. Yeah, none of that, please.

It's just, I think, you know, and I don't want to go, oh, Richard Dawkins here. But there's, don't. I've try not to put your calipers away. Um, uh, like, the fact that we can make a legal distinction between different types of strongly held personal belief, you know, like if you have a strong personal belief that is religious in nature so you can say, hey, I actually don't want you to use my campground if you are Muslim, versus if you have a strong secular belief that the Catholic Church fucking sucks, you couldn't say, hey, like this, you'd no provision this bill would allow this. The fact that we can distinguish between those when really they're like the difference between them is that one that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, the th, th, the th, thi, thi, the religious, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their is, their is, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiii, thiiii, thi, thi, thi, th that we can distinguish between those when really the difference between them is

that one of them has dress-ups. I just, I don't know. It's a weird one. I feel like you're exploring this, Ben, perhaps as a test case though, for your own very real discrimination because they won't let you into campsites because you keep building gigantic shrines to Bigfoot. Well, yeah, I'm not going to put them in an urban area, obviously, because he's not going to see those. No, because he's a man of the woods.

Yes. Some disturbing footage has shown up on YouTube of been shouting at an Anglican camp counselor. It's not a wicker wood ape. He's wicker wood ape. He's real, it's not worship, but it's not a god. He's like a person sort of, kind of. He's an alien. He's ancient. It's complicated. Yeah, first off, false idol implies that he is. Oh, so absolute dog shit stuff. I mean, you know, I would say like, hey, take some kind of action about this and like right into your local representative. They were taking all of the submissions on this beforehand. They received like thousands and thousands of them and apparently the overwhelming majority of

them were this suck shit and that's from like religious and non-religious groups but of course they're just pushing ahead with it anyway. So while I would love to say you know get out there mobilized, take some form of action, I think that this is an issue that the Australian government is very determined to push forward on completely regardless of what the public's perception of it is like, what the actual need for any of this sort of stuff is like. I mean there was a lot of, a lot of people observed last week that while hundreds of simultaneous bushfires were killing people and ravaging the entire eastern coast of Australia.

You know, the Prime Minister flew into Sydney where you couldn't see 10 feet in front of because of the thickness of the smoke that was setting off smoke alarms inside office buildings, and gave a press conference and it was about this bill and how this is a thing that needed to be advanced. So you know, I mean, I wish I wish that there were any kind of relevant thing to say in terms of voicing opposition to this or anything like that, but it seems to be a thing that they're just going to press ahead with despite seemingly a unanimous reception from the entire country that is like, what are you doing? Nobody is asking for this. Nobody wants this except for like three psychotic opinion writers of the Australian. So that sucks. So you know, let's

talk about something nowhere near as bleak. Let's talk over, it's a nature corner, and have a quick chat about the fact that two pigs have been engineered to have monkey cells in China. I belong, who takes some, nature corner, rubber crab, sniffed my d'i'it my d'i'i'n'e'n'e'r'e'e't'e't my d'i'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e'e''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Uh, pig primate chimeras have been born live for the first time, but died within a week. Success. The two piglets, number one, we need a better name. Yep. Not piglets. Monklets. Muglets. Muglets? Pigmates. No. Pigmates. No. Pigmates? No. Pigleys? No.

Oh my god. We'll workshop this. The two piglies look normal enough, although a small proportion of their cells were derived from synomolgous monkeys. Yeah, that sounds right. This is the first report of full-term pig monkey kiberas. Jesus, sorry let me read that again. Go on. This is the first report of full-term pig monkey chimeras said Tang-hi-hi terrifyingly at the State King Laboratory of stem cell and reproductive biology in Beijing. Imagine getting up to the to the podium with like this huge smile on your face be like,

folks, we've done it. We have very pleased to report. We're very pleased to report. We have murdered God and created full-term pig monkey chimeras. To me this has the same that is any questions. Futurama Al Gore dropping through the ceiling to a climate conference on rockets and just saying I have ridden the mighty moonworm. Good for him. Yeah I think of Homer and the Simpsons when they're building the rocket talking about breaking the bonds of gravity and punching the face of God. Oh my goodness. So apparently the ultimate aim of the work is to grow human organs in animals for transplantation, but the results show there is still a long way to go to achieve this the team says. Oh, what a shame.

This is a I feel like I'm sure they know what they're doing right. I mean, they make they make they make make they make they make they make they make their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is their is their their their their their their thea. their their their their their their their. their. their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. t'm sure they know what they're doing right I mean they meet full-term pig primate chimeras but I can't really see their path from point A to point B. More cells start with right but you start with piglets that die a a week and they've got a tiny bit of monkey and enough monkey to kill them in them, but not enough for them to be monkeys or look like monkeys. Ah, but, but, but, but, and then you just kind of scale it up, all the ti. Ten piglets were born as a result of more than 4,000 embryos being planted in cells, of which two were chimeris. All died within a week in the chimeric piglets multiple tissues including in the heart liver spleen, lung and skin partly

consisted of monkey cells but the proportion was low between one in 1,000 and one in 10,000. Now the first the first issue here is look the proportion they say that the piglets look normal, but the proportion of monkey cells was too low for, to be like these organs are useful if the point is to make organs that can be transplanted. I know for my point of view, I would love to have a pig monkey, chimera spleen implanted into me.

Oh, I mean, that's thethe dream isn't it? My question is as the proportion gets high enough for the organs to start being usefully harvestable, what does the pig monkey chimera start to look like? It's exactly what you're picturing. Terrifying. It's the thing that it's the thing that that keeps coming out of the transporter in the fly when he's fucking it up. I'm picturing like... Inside out microwaved looking thing. I reckon it would be one of those like, you know the really, really, really weird and esoteric Japanese folklore creatures? Who are like, this one is a monkey with the head of a pig, and every time you put your shoes down he takes your shoes

unless you give him gold and if you don't he will blind you. And the shoes will not be coming back. Also I was thinking like this this is a job that sucks right this is not a this must be a horrible job to perform but I wonder whether after like the 5,000th chimp pig chimera grabs the barrel of your shotgun and places it against its own head. Kill me. Kill me. Whether like so... Whether some of the shine comes from. So, let me allay one of your concerns, Theo. Please, because I have many.

Yeah, I was going to say, it's a checklist on like one of those never-ending roles of computer paper, you know. It is unclear why the Picklets died, says hi, but because the non-chimeric pigs died as as well the team suspects it is to do with the IVF process rather than the chimerism. Iv doesn't work nearly as well in pigs as it doesn't humans and some other animals which is that what a sentence I have you know and Ivef is so expensive if you're a pig couple you know you're paying you know five figures to your doctor and you're getting your bloody IVF done and you just know the chances are so

low. You've got to put aside 30% of your slop every week to save up. So the team is now trying to create healthy animals at a higher proportion of monkey cells. If that is successful, the next step would be to to try to create pigs in which one organ organ organ organ organ organ the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. If, th. If, th. If, th. If, th. If, th. If, th. If, th. If, th. If, thi. If, thi, thi, to, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, the, th. I, th. I, the, the, th. thi. thi. t. te. toge, toge, tr-s, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, that is successful, the next step would be to try to create pigs in which one organ is composed entirely of primate cell. Oh, no, we gave this pig a monkey hard. It's the dick. It's just a big old monkey's dick. Oh, dear. So, something like this has already been achieved in rodents. In 2010 Hiramitsu Nakauchi, now at Stanford University in California, instead of being locked up somewhere, created mice with rat pancreas by genetically modifying the mice so their own cells couldn't develop into a pancreas.

I feel like they leaned too hard on the words, something like this, because mice are basically rats. Yeah, that's such a low bar of being like, this is incredible. We took the genes of a snail and gave it slug DNA. We bred a dash-ined with corggy legs. And it is a freak. Now, Ben, we've talked about this before, haven't we, on the show, where,

like, how much of the time you look at articles that say scientists find that humans could soon be able to have bat wings grafted onto them or whatever and then you like... I believe Ben's got a Google alert set up for that. Yes. I really do want bat wings but yes. But but the like anytime that you look at a headline like that and you then go about reverse engineering the actual origin of this story. It is through a series of articles going back and back until you finally get to the original thing that says, hey, we did this with like,

you know, 100 million mice, and we were able to successfully graft a bat wing onto one of them one time and it died a week later. This suggests the possibility of doing more lab testing of this variety in the future. People take that and go, humans with bat wings. But good news everybody. In 2017, Juan Carlos Buesuare Belmontes team at the Salk Institute in California.

Well, in 2017, Juan Carlos Boulos Belmont's team at the Sulk Institute in California created pig human chimeras. But only around one in 100,000 cells were human and for ethical reasons, question mark. The embryos were only allowed to develop for a month. The concern is that a chimera's brain could be partly human. That is a concern. That is concerning. This is why...

Where a little worried that this pig might have the brain of a five-year-old human child? Uh, little, little concerned that our, that our pig human chimera could harbor thoughts of revenge. It understands simple machines, revenge and navigation. You're fucked. We're fused. This pig human chimera sucks, we gotta say. We are very concerned that when this pig racist. This pig human chimera sucks, we got to say. We are very concerned that when the pig human chimera lays down and drifts off to sleep, that a series of dreams come

to it in which it pictures visiting a terrible, terrible vengeance on us, its creators for our awful hubris. The scientists are studying its legs kind of kicking about and hypnotic jerks as it sleeps. Like, oh look, he thinks he's going to work. Meanwhile, the pig thinks that it's curb stomping a series of scientists out the front of the lab that it's broken out of. Have any of these people ever seen a movie? You know? Apparently not. A single movie. So apparently that is why Hy and his team used monkey rather than human cells,

but while the proportion of monkey cells in their chimeras is higher than the proportion of human cells in Belmonte's chimeras, it is still very low. I feel like they may have actually seen Duncan checks in. They want just enough human cells for a monkey to kind of skate? I'm not going to be able to let this pass otherwise we'll receive several angry voicemails from wife of the show Dave. Dunstan. Dunstan checks it. Okay so first of all haven't seen it. That's it. So let's wrap this up on a final quote here. Given the extremely low chimeric efficiency and the deaths of all the animals, I actually see this is fairly discouraging.

Stem cell biologist Paul Knopfler at the University of California. Says the one sane person we interviewed for this article. I would more be asking like, did not the fact that you were doing this in the first place strike you as very discouraging? Excuse me? Oh, my goodness, my goodness. And hey, just before we get out of here, there was in fact one other article from the new scientist that I, that I peeped while looking this up. Recordings reveal that plants make ultrasonic squeals when stressed. Cool. I didn't need to, it's not what I needed this week.

You're hurting everything around you. Yep. Uh-huh. I also make I don't get a new scientist article. Although it has been revealed in recent years that plants are capable of seeing hearing and smelling, they are still usually thought of as silent. But now for the first time they've been recorded making airborne sounds when stressed. Which researchers say could open up a new field of precision agriculture where farmers listen...

What is the field? Plant Screamology! A new field of precision agriculture where farmers listen for water-starved crops. Huh. Itzakite and his colleagues at Tel Aviv University in Israel found that tomato and tomato, tomacco, oh my god, tomato plants. Tobato and tomacco. You say tomatoato. I tomatatatatatatatatatatatatatat. What t, plant. What t, plant. What t, plant. What t, plant. What tha. What tha. What is the field. What is the field. What is the field. What is the field. What is the field. What is the field is the field, plant, plant. What is the field is the field, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant, plant. What is the field, plant. Pla, plant. Pla, plant. Pla, plant. What is the field, plant. What t, plant. What tom. What tom. What tom. What tom. What tom. What tomatatatat, plant. What tomato, plant. What tomato, plant. What tomato, plant. What is tomato, plant. What is tomato, plant. What is tomato, tomato, tomato, tomato, tomato, plant, the the the the the the the the field. the field. the field. that tomato and tobacco, tomato tomato and tomato. You say tomato, I say tomato.

Tomato and tobacco plants made sounds at frequencies humans cannot hear when stressed by a lack of water or when their stem is cut. Oh boy. So basically, at any given time, especially in Australia, in our current drought scenario, all around you are the unheard screams of dying plants begging for water, just begging for a drink, just a sip. Now what I... But you have been watering some of your own flowers, and then you go out and make yourself a nice little bouquet and they all scream when they're being murdered.

So I think we could introduce just enough pig cells to these plants so that they can actually scream. Just enough pig cells. Just a dash. The Goldilocks zone of pig cells. Oh my goodness. Well I feel like that's enough existential horror for one week, don't you fellas? Yep, and that's definitely the worst thing that happened this week. Uh-huh. Now to return to our usual lives. Oh my goodness. Yes, let us very, very briefly say

condolences to our comrades in the UK on your very crushing election defeats that has made us all extremely sad. I called in to our friends the trash future podcast. They were doing their live election coverage. I woke up in the morning on Friday and I went to work blissfully unaware Rode my bike in a nice bit of exercise sat down at my desk and Woke up, you know looked looked on the internet and saw that it seemed like Labor were getting absolutely crushed and Dialed into the podcast where they were in the, I guess, they were in the stages that we were on on our own election live stream when we saw that like Peter Dunn had retained

his seat and it looked like the liberals were winning lots and lots of seats and we were kind of at this stage of like, hey, the exit polls seem to be indicating that everything's going horrifically wrong. Maybe it could turn around and it absolutely didn't. So you know, very depressing stuff. I wish I could offer any kind of positive viewpoint on this. Distressingly it looks like the takeaway for a lot of people are going, is going to be like, you know what everyone really wants toaway for a lot of people are going is going to be like, you know what everyone

really wants to vote for is fascism. So that's a huge bummer. Yes. It is. Everything kind of sucks. Try and think about something positive instead. Like all the pig human chimeras that could be abseiling in through your windows to snatch your family anytime soon.

Well, I mean, I mean you joke, but in the... Sorry Ben, sorry, what was that? Oh my god. Sorry, let me say that again. Squiel Team 6. Squiel Team 6, baby. Oh boy. God.

No, I can't beat that. What's... That's it. Wrap it up. Let's tha. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. to to to to tha. thi. to to to to to th. to th. th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th.. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. to... to................................................................... That's it. Wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. Folks, if you want to write into the show, send us a question, send us a story, tell us your love us, don't tell us, you hate us. We're all very tender and fragile. We're nice boys, please don't do it. You can write into Mailbag at Buntavista.com if you would like to leave us a voicemail Australian listeners can call in on 1-8003175 one-five, an American listeners can call 732876 3446 and we will listen to your messages and

we may well respond to them on the show. Now before we finish up Andrew, can I just... I'm not finished doing my spiel. Oh, sorry, sorry. Yeah, sorry, I have to try and split the spiel in the right spot. You go. You dumb ass. And if you would like an extra bonus episode every week, we do two episodes a week.

If you would like to support the show, then just head on over to Patreon. slash Punta Vista, five American dollars a month, we'll get you an extra bonus episode every week and all the other dumb shit that we do. Theo. I've just seen on Twitter a very beguiling kind of fact. If you zoom out to the right position on Google Maps, now a full southern half of the Brisbane CBD has the suburb name Frogs Hollow. I also just saw that. And I, there is no way that. There is no way that's th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is no way th. There is th. There is no way th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is thi. There is th. There is th. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is that. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is th. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. There is no way. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. th. of the Brisbane CBD has the suburb name Frogs Hollow. I also just saw that and I there is no way that's true. How is that?

I'm looking at right now and I cannot wait to visit Scenic Frogs Hollow. Frogs Hollow. Frogs Hollow. Frogs Hollow 4,000. Get amongst it. How about this? Scenic Frogs Hollow. Huh. There go. I guess we will leave Ben to just try and grapple with this. It sounds like his universe has been upended.

We'll see you at Frogs Hollow. Yeah. Totally shattered. Unbelievable. All right, everybody. Thanks, and we will see you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye.