Boonta Vista - EPISODE 138: Pokémon Gödel to the Polls

Episode Date: March 2, 2020

We take a look at the app developers giving cops a 30-day free trial to have a muck about with a nightmare surveillance tool that could completely change how we understand privacy forever, introduce the Bernie Brodown Hoedown, and issue some crucial crime passes. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Merchandise: boontavista.com/merchandise Twitch: twitch.tv/boontavista

Welcome to Buntavista episode 138. Those of our listeners who have not totally destroyed their brains with the research chemicals, remember that last episode we found ourselves in the Buntavista Scenario Factory. It should be no surprise then that this week we find ourselves in the Buntavista Scenario Factory, but where the former was a sort of fun, sort of art deco space with scenarios flying around in pneumatic tubes while the song Powerhouse plays. The Scenario Factory Factory is an entirely different place. Warehouses of warehouses extend in all directions.

And the space hums and throbs as it births Buntavista Scenario Factory Factory's, Pain or pleasure in the process. I'm Theo. I'm here with Andrew and a little donger and what could be naively be called the center of the scenario, factory, factory. And he's pulling his hair out.

His eyes are darkened and weary as he attempts to come up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up with with with with with the the the the the the to come up with the the the the the the scenario, factory, factory. And he's pulling his hair out. His eyes are darkened and weary, as he attempts to come up with the perfect Buntavista intro scenario that covers all scenarios, scenario factories, scenario factory factories, and so forth. How are you, Andrew? Feeling a little perturbed, to be honest, by this lynchian nightmare that we find ourselves. OK, but you are very hard at work, though, to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the same the same, thi, the same, the same, the same, the same, their, the same, the same, the same, th. th. th, the the the the the the the their, their, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, together, together, together, teananananananan, teanan, tean, tean, tean, te, te, te, te, together, together, that we find ourselves. Okay, but you are very hard at work though to try and bring forth the scenario that ends all scenarios, terminates all scenarios?

Is that? Yeah, like I'm pretty hard at work at it. I have been like just kind of scrolling idly on my phone for the last 45 minutes, but now that you're talking about it, I guess I'll get back to looking into the scenarios. Yeah yeah I mean but just if you can come up with one that just perfectly encapsulates all perfect all possible scenarios including that scenario that you are describing that would be great by next week. You're looking for the scenario singularity. Yes that's exactly right. Yeah look I'm doing my best but these phones are pretty distracting.

Okay. Yeah, we should really work on that. And of course, we have Lucy, who is madly shuffling papers, pointing to graphs and explaining that according to Godal's incompleteness theorem, no Buntovista intro scenario can be both complete and consistent, and describing all possible Bonavisto intro scenarios is folly to try. How are you, Lucy? That's me, I have been saying this for a long time.

Uh-huh, that edge who has led himself down a path that will only lead to distraught failure. Mm-hmm. Yeah, what you said. Okay. That's what I think. And it's because of the Godal thing. Sure. Yep. That's right. Sweet. Pokemon Godal to the poles. Fuck off. And there he is.

Oh boy. There's Ben. He's also with us in the Donga and he's sketching a dope picture doing a nose grind on a cop car. Hey, buddy. I have two things here. Okay. The first is I feel like you have intentionally used donna to confuse anyone that's not from saying Queenshead. Okay, all right.

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Oh, I've written DONGER. I've written D-O-N-G-E-R on the notes that I totally had to write down. That is slang for penis, as you all know. Yeah, you're dunger. Oh, you're absolutely right. Yeah, and you're probably the first person to note that as well. The second point I wanted to make is that I'm quite contentedly drawing this frankly amazing illustration of a skateboarding skeleton defacing a cop car because I've already solved the issue by simply inventing a scenario where not only do we exist in the known universe, we also exist in every other possible universe that could have arisen from any different initial starting conditions in the Big Bang.

Oh. Okay and you've kind of wrapped a scenario around that. Yeah. It's that easy. It's too early for this. It's like a David Lynch bullshit. Well done there, thank you. Well in case anyone's, in case anyone's curious, apparently the word Donga entered the Australian lexicon around 1900. And while its origins aren't known, people think that maybe it came from South African English and EFricans. Oh, disgusting.

It's probably got two A's on the end of it. All right. Well, speaking of ominous alien machines that swell and throb with malevolent energy, let's talk about the Democratic primaries. So since I am, as some of you may or may not know, a permanent resident of the United States, please stop tweeting at me that I'm illegally donating to the Bernie Sanders campaign. Looks very bad, not illegal, completely fine. I figured that I should do some coverage over here of the entire shit show that is American

democracy. While I learn about it, please don't tell me that I'm wrong about things. Please don't send me any questions. I'll do my best to answer them about how any of this works. I feel like no one in the US knows how it works either. That's a whole lot of story. This is a new segment that we're going to be doing. And it's called the Bernie Bro down bro bro bro bro Yeah. That rules. That's good.

That's good. That's a little merry jig over here. That's high energy. High energy. High energy, bluegrass, folks. Like it. High energy bluegrass, folks. You gotta love it. Well it's very merry. Just like it's Mary over here because Bernie Sanders has won

the popular vote in all three of the caucuses that we've done so far including Iowa which you might have seen was a little bit yikes over there was a lot of a lot of recounting a lot of losing results a lot lot of Pete Budigidge announcing that he won for no reason. Pete Budgege. Bootage? That is how it's said, as I'm learning. That is how it's said, as I'm learning.

Although, if you look into his history, apparently because he's such a weird little freak, who has always wanted to be president since he was a small child because he's such a weird little freak who has always wanted to be president since he was a small child. He spent different periods of his life pronouncing his own last name differently based on what he thought would play better with voters. Hmm. I took my last name to a focus group. Yes.

I think because he's from the Dutch part of Malta that's actually pronounced beauty gig. Oh boy there's plenty more to make fun of mayor for before but I'll allow it. But um it is it is an interesting move the whole thing of not winning a primary and then getting up on stage and going folks we did it as though either you won or it was your intention to not win. He's won after, I think it was after Nevada, where he was just like, wow, they said we couldn't do it but we did it without being like, no reference at all to what it is that he did, because he didn't make any particularly noteworthy achievements. He didn't win in any aspect, in fact.

You don't want to get bogged down in details. That's true. But he did win the delegates count, though, in Iowa, where you're through the absolute weird labyrinthine system of whatever it is that they're doing over there. I definitely understand it. To stop at all stages of like the American election process of the person getting the most votes from winning. Which I can...

Which I sense is sort of the goal here to stop that from occurring because we don't want that right? That's a that's bad. Okay the last thing we wanted to happen. Right. There's um I mean there's a lot of things that you can point to in Australian democracy and say, not great, you know, it's not perfect. Like how we have the whole sort of weird, we have the whole like party pre-selection for seats and that involves a lot of like weird politicking and there's branch stacking and stuff and and quite often a local member sorry a local a local branch of a party will vote to not endorse somebody to run for them and the you know the head of the party will come in and go actually you do want that guy to be your representative

and that's how people like you you know, Jim Mollin and notorious, horny bookwriter Dennis Jensen got their seats because like the Prime Minister personally intervened and said, no no this guy's my friend so he will be running in this seat over the objections of the actual people in the party. That's all one thing. We have some absolute failings. Then you've got the caucus stuff. Then you've got the coin tosses and the drawing cards from a deck. Oh I love that video where they were like coin tossing. That person got an ace and they were like, woo and they're like no, ace is a lot. They're like, oh, okay. Shit. It's all ridiculous. There's a bunch of stupid, just crazy shit that goes on. But it is true th I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that is that is that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that their the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. thee. the. theeeee. theeeeeeeeean. theean. thean. theee. the. that goes on. But it is true that I feel like there is something to be said for being allowed to choose what

candidate you would like to be running for president, unlike what we do in Australia, which is just basically have no say in that process. But it's going well for Bernie. He has a lead of 43 delegates and apparently, as I understand it, needs 1,991 for a win. So it's looking good. Bayer Pete's coming in second with 26. We've had 10 debates so far. I feel like it's just a weekly thing now.

It's just constant. It's very normal stuff. So the last debate I did watch, and it was a huge shit show that was basically no moderation. A lot of it was questions thrown to Bernie Sanders, like this one. Senator Sanders, you've praised the Chinese Communist Party for lifting more people out of extreme poverty than any other country. You also have a track record of expressing sympathy for socialist governments in Cuba and Nicaragua. Can Americans trust the democratic socialist president will not give authoritarians a free path?

So, uh, just super normal stuff all around, just basically like, hmm, Mr. Sanders, you support health care? Would you say that, uh, Chairman Mao was a great leader? Just a lot of shit like that. Do you agree with everything Stalin ever did? Chairman Mao was a great leader. Just a lot of shit like that. Do you agree with everything Stalin ever did? Do you think everything Stalin did was good? So that's sort of the level of debate that we're at at the moment. And of course, you may have seen Michael Bloomberg is suddenly just part of these things because he has enough money to just insert himself into the campaign. Every time I watch TV, there's basically a Mike Bloomberg ad, which basically say nothing. They're just like, you can trust Michael Bloomberg, who is another billionaire who has several

sexual harassment and assault allegations against him. Somehow that's someone that the Dems are just going with and running for. To beat a guy that sucks, you have to use a guy that sucks. Yeah, you have the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. You th. You th. You have th. thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's thi's basically thi's basically, thi's basically, thi' thi' thi's basically, the thi' thi' thiolu. thiolu. Which thiolu. Which is basically, which thiol- basically basically, which their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi, thi, their thi's basically thi's basically that's basically say, that's basically say, their that's basically say, that's basically say, that's basically say, that's basically say, that's basically say, their that's basically say, their their that's basically that the Dems are just going with and running for. To beat a guy that sucks you have to use a guy that sucks. Yeah you have to use a guy that apparently sucks less but I don't really see how. Well Blimberg like was registered as a Republican until like a couple of years ago wasn't he? Or like before he was... It wouldn't surprise me. Well there's there's that footage from the... there's the footage from the f f f the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thuu- thu- thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu that thu that that that that to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use to use th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that's th It wouldn't surprise me. Well there's that footage from the... there's the footage from the Republican National Convention in the 2000s of him endorsing George Bush Jr. Right. Like the dude is just a

straight-up Republican. Yeah, straight-up he's just inserting it. I don't even know why I don't feel like he's gonna get a lot of support. he's just pumping money into it. So yeah that's what's going on and the South Carolina primary is today so by the time this podcast comes out it's probably going to be results from that the polls show that Biden is going to win but I don't know he's not having such a good time. No he seems to be like every times that he opens his mouth the position the position their their their their to to to to to be their their to be to be to be their to be their to be to be their. He's to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their. their. their. their. I I I. I. I. I. their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the today. the today. the today. too. too. to. the to. I's to. So drops by like two points. Because he's losing his mind and I feel very bad for him, but I also don't because he sucks. It's also a fun question with like, with Bloomberg as to say, oh, you know, he's supposedly better than Trump except, you know, has all of the same sort of other features of being a billionaire, being a huge weird unit all that kind of thing. And I mean, I mean, look, thi th th th, th, th, th, th, th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th th th th th thi, I thi the the the the the the thi thi, the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, th th, th, th th th, th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi theeeeeateeeeeeeat theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the, the the same sort of other features of being a billionaire, being a huge weird unit, all that kind of thing.

And I mean, look, clearly he's probably not as much of a mutant as Trump is, but the fun thing about Bloomberg is we actually have seen him in power for a great amount of time. He did stuff like ramp up, stop and frisk in New York. And now what we're seeing is him having to go back on his old records and just say like, oh, that time where I actually brought one of the world's largest police forces together to do institutionalized racism for the express purpose of being racist as you go back to his own remarks to say, you know, we need to get them into minority communities and shake people up and do all that sort of stuff.

When I was doing that, I was just doing a big whoopsy. But I've had a lot of self-growth since I did that for, you know, many, many years. And now I hate it and I think it's bad. The moment someone pointed out to me that racism, that racism, that racism, that racism, tha, tha, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th out to me that racism was bad, I thought, wait a second. I stopped that immediately. I thought, oh no. Oops, these. By the body's naffick.

Even the stuff that he has apologized for, it hasn't even been like, you know, he hasn't, he hasn't said, I apologize for, you know, and calling trans people it, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th.. stuff. The stuff that he has apologized for, it hasn't even been like, you know, he hasn't said I apologize for, you know, helping to cement like a racist legacy from my term as mayor, my multiple terms as mayor, from the third term as mayor where he refused to step down despite the term limits of two terms for a mayor. Any of that stuff, all he's kind of said about any of that is, oh, I get now that it looks bad. Like that's kind of the extent. He's not like I can see all of the very real harm that this has done.

If I could go back and do it over, I wouldn't have done any of it. He just, it's all couched in language of like, I inherited stop and frisk from somebody else. He's tried to run the line of like, oh, I massively reduced stop and frisk. Yeah, we just bullshit and went up. Oh, well, I was going to say, it's true in the sense that at some point it reduced after he like quadrupled the use of it. Yes. Yeah, and he's just like so on the record about

so many of these things saying horrible horrible shit and the idea that you can just turn around and go oh my entire life's legacy in the public forget that stuff. But what we're seeing instead with the with the media is that's all just going weirdly uncommented on and you've just got the weirdest units like Max Boot who whose life work I can... Max Boot. Very very weird journalist his life work seems to be making sure everybody knows he has the worst hat in the world. Go on Twitter and check that out if you'd like to see a man with the worst hat in the world. Being like Bernie Sanders was against the Vietnam War back when it was dangerous to be against the Vietnam

war. Like that's supposed to be a fucking point against him. It's just mind-bogglingling. It absolutely just staggering and they get on cable TV every single night, MSNBC, and they say just this stuff that will make you scream and it doesn't seem to stop. So, cool. It's cool stuff. Having a good time over here. The only good thing... I don't hate Elizabeth Warren. Anyway, she did say something very good in the last debate. She really went on on Bloomberg.

Yeah, yeah, she hooked in. She sure did. She said, I'd like to talk about who we're running against. A billionaire who calls women fat broods and horse-faced lesbians. And no, I'm I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not Iians. And no, I'm not talking about Donald Trump. Boom. Oh, damn. It's pretty good.

I respect it. And then she pulled down his pants and showed everyone his tiny little dick and laughed at it. Everyone laughed. They were all pointing, they were all laughing. Jerked off his little boy. Oh boy. But, yeah, just, it's so weird the extent, the extent, the extent, the extent, the extent, the extent, the extent, it's the the extent to which you can see all these different people

just embracing Michael Bloomberg is like, oh, well, you know, the sensible option. Well, like, not even the sensible option, just, like that's the whole sort of, I think that's the final extension of the idea of anyone but Trump is, oh, we'll get this, you know, billionaire. Same guy. Yeah, just, just the same guy. I thi, I, I, I, just, just, just, just, I, just, that, just, that's, that's, just, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's the final extension of the idea of anyone but Trump, is, oh, we'll get this billionaire. Same guy. Yeah, just the same guy but for our side, a guy who is horrible, who only has the interests of capital at heart, who basically doesn't care about anything.

As you can see through this campaign, we'll absolutely turn around and say, oh, all of those things that you thought were my beliefs because of all of the years I spent enacting them, they're actually not because nothing matters to me. What matters to me is holding power. Yes, but he is electable because they will be able to convince him to pretend like he's played, like he's read Harry Potter for Instagram Clout, which is an active process going on right now. Have you guys, you guys see all of the influences that he's managed to like purchase with ironic messages?

I hated that shit so fucking much. So just in case anyone hasn't seen this, a whole bunch of Instagram celebrities all posted at the same time. I don't go on Instagram, I'm sorry. But they were all just DMs to them saying, hey, you know, here's something quirky and will you post this on your thing? And they're like, will you give me $10 million? And he's like, yes. And it's supposed to be this joky, ironic thing. And the thiiii's, th, th, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho-a, thi, tho-a, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, this joky, ironic thing, and then everyone did it all at once,

and it's super gross and weird. He's really just hammering the ads too. And I just, I just wonder what he's trying to gain from this, because I don't feel like there's any poll that shows him taking any kind of lead at this point. He's entering the race race race race race race race race race race race race race race race race race race race. There's no one, there's nothing showing that he has a huge amount of support, but he's just spending and spending and spending on these ads. What is it for? You know?

I don't know if it's just sort of discord between everyone and make everyone really mad and talk about anything else except Bernie Sanders, but it sucks. Shit sucks. Bloomberg, it's ideally what we want. Also the others drop out. Everyone that's not Bernie Sanders, please drop out, thank you. Thank you to Andrew Yang for dropping out. That was a classy move on his behalf. It was a classy move. Good for him. Yeah, imagine getting to a point and saying, oh, there's obviously not actually any way for me to do this. So I could probably just step off at this point.

Except Tom Sayer, he can stick around. way for me to do this. So I could probably just step off at this point. Except Tom Sayer, he can stick around. I sound like the cut of his jib. I know literally nothing about him and I don't want to find out. His policies are actually quite good. Like he absolutely shouldn't be the president because he is also a billionaire and you know it's not ideal but his views on things pretty good. I'm fine with him it's coming in a hot third bringing bringing juvenile on the campaign trail and getting up on stage with him that's just fun stuff good moves good dance moves up there good

for him hey folks because we know that Bernie Sanders has had he's had the strokes do a to a campaign appearance with him it's gonna have public enemy gonna have public enemy so let's just go the thus tho the tho th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin the thin the the th thin thin th thin thin thin thin the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the to the the the the the the the the theyy the the the they, do a campaign appearance within. It's gonna have public enemy. Gonna have public enemy, so let's just, let's go around the room. Ben, if you were running for president and you can have a band play at an event with you, whomst would it be? Sleep. Yeah, it would, wouldn't it? Just, opening every fucking campaign rally with dope smoker in full.

And how long does that go for again? It's about 63 minutes long. And then at the end I say, all right, vote for me. I'm out here. That was one song, by the way, peace. What about you, Lucy? Oh, it's Jimmy Barnes for sure. Oh, all are all of Cold Chisle.

Again, coming out to KSAR. What a dream that would be. Beautiful stuff. Theo. I feel like the loud music would make me nervous. Hmm. Maybe something soft, something quiet, something ambient. Yeah, but I'll be playing that at home. Where I am. I will then I will then face time into the rally. Turn off the camera of the other side. That's my whole campaign. Don't vote for me. I'm afraid of having power. Don't know things. I would... Yeah. If elected, I promise to work from home. My goodness.

The world's first agile president. That's 100% the kind of shit that Bloomberg is. Yeah, yeah, the whole nation has to do a 15-minute stand-up. Quick whip around the hundreds of millions of people. Any blockages, any roadblocks. But he totally has this thing of like, hey, I've operated fast-moving businesses. Oh, and he had that post on his social media that was like, if I get elected, I will turn, I will turn like the White House into a big open plan office Oh, I forgot about that

Who wouldn't like it? Who wouldn't like it? I just want to make sure things are getting done in the worst possible working environment. Mm-hmm. Who doesn't love sitting right next to their boss all day of work? And of course this this gels really nicely with the approximately 10 billion complaints of him being an absolute piece of shit to work for for his entire life. So that's good. You can sit in the oval office in the cubicle next to Mike. As he says, hey, you better not be texting your wife back to say when you'll be home tonight. The hospital will tell you when

she's delivered it. Don't worry about it. Now you'll find out if and when you get home. My goodness. Hmm. So Bernie's winning? Oh, yes, Bernie's winning? Yes, that's the crux of it right now. Okay. Yes, keep you updated. We hope that it stays that way. I think the expectation was that it would be very difficult or unlikely for Bernie to win South Carolina.

So, um, if he doesn't, let's not get too dispirited, because he's doing very, very well. Because we're gonna win. And if you are an American person, please get out there and volunteer and do all you can't donate a little bit of money, he needs it. He needs it. A little something, you know? Just get your words out there, you know, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. So, th, th, to, to, to, to, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And, th donate, just get your words out there, you know? Do some tweets. We don't all have 80 billion dollars of our own money to spend on a vanity

presidential campaign. That's right. Although I feel like the funniest outcome would be for him to spend hundreds of millions of dollars of his own money to siphon money away from the other centrist candidates and then lose to Bernie Sanders? That would be nice. I honestly couldn't see a better outcome. The Clive Palmer move, right? Isn't that what Clive Palmer did?

Oh, supposedly, but I... Well, part of his intention was to get the Liberal Party's vote up, which he was absolutely successful in doing for his own incentives. So fucking... What a real piece of shit. Yeah, we should talk about what a piece of shit Clive Palmer is next episode. Because that's all, that's a long top. We got 45 minutes on the Titanic 2 alone.

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policy or anything like that. It was 1,000 percent, just a great big, hey, I'm going to use this to, I don't know, get out of doing some taxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, some thia th, some thia thiax, some thi, some thi, some thi, some thi, some thi, some thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to use this to, I don't know, get out of doing some tax, some stuff like that for my dinosaur theme park. Could I have a productive hobby? You know, big piece of shit. I just feel like if I was going to have like, if I was going to spend $400 million on like a, you know, vanity project to not become president, I would instead spend that money on a car that can turn into a boat.

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All right I'm not racist. I am once again escaping Central. Finally. Super dead though, died in the 80s. Oh, damn. What does super dead look like? Uh, well he wasn't looking good at the end of his life. And now he's looking much, much worse. But he hasn't acquired any new powers.

Oh, no, no, no, sorry. Super dead is like, if he was freshly dead, he'd be regular dead. He's been dead for a while. That's super dead. Doesn't confer any powers or abilities. Normal dead. So instead, are you saying he has now become irreversibly dead, unlike immediately after someone done? Yeah, we're past the threshold now, where someone could bring it back using either science or evil magic's. Yeah, because you need that little that little spark

life that last gasp of the dying breath tiny little bit of like in order to do your magic's or your flatliner type science. Well he's not in cryo basically basically. You know like when you unplug an electronic device from the wall and sometimes the light stays on for just a little bit. It's exactly the same as that. So when when you're super dead, the light is firmly off. It's completely off, yeah. All of the residual slow electricity inside the thing is completely gone. And Theo, you might be able to explain this little better because of all that stuff you know about it.

No, I feel like you've conveyed the spirit of the science, if not the fact. The lazy electrons still bubbling about it there. Regular dead is when you try to start a car and it goes, Rear, rea, rea, re, re, and super dead is when you put the key in and it just goes click. Well, that's quite good actually. There's nothing, there's nothing at all. How frustrating is the middle one. The one where it's still make it a little bit of noise but it's just not just just just just just just just just just not just within reach, you're busy flooding the engine and... It's maybe one thing you do if you pump the pedal enough, maybe it'll happen. Anyway, RIP, Enzo Ferrari, you really did it. I hope you want one of those famous Italians that was a fascist.

Well, speaking of things that are fascist, uh, who wants to talk about Clearview AI, the thing that is going to ruin every single part of our lives in the near future, either on purpose or accidentally? Me? Finally some good news. Whereas I personally would hate to talk about it, but I feel like it's going to happen anyway. I want you to internalize everything you've heard about this and then let it ruin you with anxiety for at least a couple of hours. Let's let it ruin you Sunday. So you've probably heard about this. This is a tool for,

theoretically for cops. It is a tool that allows you to use a not great quality photo of someone. Search 3 billion photos that this thing has scraped from the internet from just public-facing websites like YouTube and Facebook and Venmo and a bunch of others with the idea that it can match them and you can link that to personal data because it can tell you where it came from. This was... I'll get into the guy that made it in a second, but this just like started out. It's something that is like the most heinous tool of the Penopticon. It started out as like a fucking brain fart from some guy. The

original name of it was Smart Checker, but they did the thing where the last E before the R they took out. That's how you know it's an app. Oh yeah, yeah. Just really love learning like the weird little... It's funny because it's like grinder. It's exactly like that. It's exactly what I related to. It's like grinder, but it's for cops tracking you down and killing you on a whim. Now the thing I love about this concept is that we've heard something like this before a million times already like over the last five or ten years where they're like oh you can take a photo and we'll use machine learning to work out who you are so that we can put a fuzzy bunny next to you in the photo or something like that and a whole bunch of privacy people have gotten you know the EFF or whatever maybe have gone

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Hey, if they're not doing anything wrong, then they don't have anything like that. That's so true. The refrain of the privacy debate. They've made a big point of, like, because they, the only time they've ever been in the news, bar one, it was for people being like, holy shit, this is fucked. So they're like, every week they're updating their website, trying to address specific complaints people have about them. So, like, one of the things about it is that it has, you know, it's only crawling what's available when it's getting all that

data. So if you say have a Facebook account or an Instagram account that was public at the time and is private now, all of your photos and all that will still be in there obviously because that's how that works but now they've sort of tried to spin it by being like this is what their website says. Clearview searches the search is the open web. Clearview does not and cannot search any private or protected info including your private social media accounts. Which is just like a weird way of saying we won't do it now if we suddenly decide to get more data but if it was public before you're fucked now. But it's okay we're going to find out they're very good at accepting responsibility for things.

So they, they, this is again, ostibly just for law enforcement, that's what their website says. Most of the way that they've been getting this out is you can get a 30-day free trial if you have an email address that's associated with like a law enforcement agency. Can't see how that can go from. It's a fucking terrifying concept. And the idea being that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, again, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theeei, they's theeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, theeii, thi, thi, thi,. No, it's a fucking terrifying concept. And the idea being that individual cops will get this trial, they'll use it and they'll be like, holy moly, I should get my department to buy this and a lot of police departments

have been buying them. The price of it seems to kind of vary, but in like a couple examples, one found by CNN, a Chicago Police Department, they paid $50,000 to get a two-year pilot with the company. The Gainesville Police Department got $10,000 for an annual license. I don't know what the deal is there, but it might be based on the number of users or whatever. But that's sort of the method that's seemed to work for them has been having just individuals run a bunch of searches and then eventually the department buys it. It turns out a whole lot of these departments don't realize that their offices are using it, which is cool to give them an insanely powerful tool with no regulation and then have no oversight from their superiors whatsoever. Probably fine. Oh yeah, we all trust cops here on the podcast. Oh yeah I can't

imagine they'd ever abused something like this ever at all. No. So this thing was made by an Australian guy. Well done us. Boo. He is a 31 year old former model, former app developer and current startup CEO. His name is, I hope I pronounce this correctly, Juan Ton Tatt. According to the bio on his website, he was ranked number one solo competitor in Australia's Informatics Olympiad. Okay, that's probably the most offensive thing I've heard so far. Uh, but he was also ranked number two guitarist under age 16 in Australia's Nationalist Stanford Music Competition. The real claim to fame. But he was also ranked number two guitarist under age 16 in Australia's national Estedford music competition.

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app that lets you talk to everyone. Cool that's a million dollar that's what I've been looking for those thosethere's not many of those going around, is there? Ways to talk to other people on social media? No, I think this would be a first. He had another app called the Society of Secrecy, and the only information available on-line is the following sentences. Speak the truth in the unspeakable society's messaging app. Communicate with other members of the society, members only. Hmm.

Like when I hear speak the truth, I know it's going to be bad. It's almost definitely racist for sure. I think this is an app whose community is populated entirely and actually by requirement of like those people that you see in the background of eyes wide shut with bird mask and you can just see their ass showing under the gown? I think you're sort of like next door for the people whose ass was showing at the movie eyes wide shut. Not one of the regular classy people in the back around just just to the last people. We're talking about one of the ones that are thrusting back and forth at exactly one thrust

per second. Rhythmic. He also made an app called LifeStream, which automatically shared every photo that you took on your phone so that your friends could see every photo you were taking, which like, you know that within 24 hours of everyone getting that app, they accidentally showed their balls to their friends. Just like straight. Yeah, accidentally.

He made another app called Trump hair. It was an app that let you put Trump's hair on things. I love being an entrepreneur. Like this already paints a picture of a guy that just makes shit that sucks, which is great stuff for a guy that's making something that's used by so many police departments. But it gets even worse. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to suggest that he was the guy behind a fishing scam called Vity Ho. And then another fishing scam that was the same one but under the name I

think Fast Forward. But it was one of those ones where like, you know you get one of those super unbelievable messages that's like, hey, I saw you in this video, click this link. And then you'd click the link and then it would ask for your Google account log in by making it look like it was the Google account login screen and then you would give it your details it would get every single one of your contacts and then send them a message saying hey I saw you in this video click on this link and he did this twice he did this two times speaking of fishing messages from

various things I have been receiving some of those via like the PlayStation network, so like the thing on your PS4 where you can be friends with people and send the messages. You can also send unsolicited messages to people by creating a group and and having it sent off. Now my name on the PS network is the same thing as on Twitter. It's Illy Botion. So I've been getting these messages. And you know how you can do that kind of thing

where you pass text through and get like different sort of unicode representations of the same text so you can get like bold or italics or whatever? And then there's that sort of disintegrated looking text. So that's what they've done with this stuff I assume is some way of trying to to kind of skirt spam filters or something like that but it gives them all this very very foreboding tone to see them all written in this particular font. It's like a pinhead was messaging you. Yes I've received a bunch of different ones here. Here's some of th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th them th them them them them them thum thum thum thum thi thi thi the, the, the. So the. So the. So the. So the. So thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi the the thi the. So theateateate. So thi. So thi. So thi. So thi. So thi's thi. So thi's thi. So thi thi thi thi written in this particular font. It's like a pinhead was messaging here. Yeah, so I've received a bunch of different ones. Here's some of them. Keep smiling, Illybocean.

Except yourself, Illy Botion. Oh my god, I get messages like this. It's so good. Would you believe that having the name the 9-11 Truther on PlayStation Network I get some pretty weird messages. Then we've got the even more menacing fear not, IllyBosha. Oh my god! Fear not though, it's nice, fear not. I feel like the message there is nothing to be afraid of has already answered all the questions raised by... And then and then they've started getting a little more verbose recently, which... and again, you know you kind kind the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, you kind th, you kind th, you kind th, th, the, the, the, the the th. Te th. Te the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is kind th is kind the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the theeeee thee theee thee the the the the the the the th. And then they've started getting a little more verbose recently, which, and again, you kind of figure with these, that the purpose is to get you to engage with them, right? Like you're saying, Ben, normally the way these things goes by someone saying, boy, I would

really like it if I could give you a billion dollars. So just log into your bank here. And also we've got a photo of your balls. Yes, yes, all this type of thing. Kind of carrot and stick sort of situation. So I'm not sure, again we've got this very disintegrated text here, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to engage with a message that says the following. There is the truth of history and there is the truth of what a person remembers. As she sat at the edge of the lake, memory blossoms floated unbounded as though breathed, no words spoken. Like birds that fly across national borders between countries at war with each other, Ilibosian.

Wow. Are you sure this is a fishing scam? You're not just like being caught by an insane poet. They're all from very different ones. And some of them seem quite positive, so that's nice. And I don't really have to do anything with them, you know? Before this point, they were just irregular sort of fishing ones, like this one that says, a nice man that is true to a woman. It doesn't say that's what I'm looking for or anything. You're just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just reading the profile the profile thaa tha true to a woman. It doesn't say that's what I'm looking for or anything, it's just a statement. Yeah, you're just reading my profile. Yeah. Anyway, that's what I've been receiving on the PlayStation Network. Well, it

might be the same guy. Let's hope so. So Clearview is a two-person operation. He has a business partner called Richard Swartz. They met at a, an event for the Conservative Think Tank the Man-T profile profile profile profile profile profile profile profile profile profile that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is a nice that is a nice that is a that is a nice that is a that is a that is a that is a that is a that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice that is a nice. that is a nice. that is a nice. that is a nice. that is a nice. I that is a nice. I that is a nice. I that is a nice. I that is a nice. I that is a nice. I th. I th. I th. I the. I've. I've. I've th. I've the. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I'm. I'm. They met at an event for the Conservative Think Tank at the Manhattan Institute. Richard Swartz was an advisor to Rudy Giuli when he was mayor. Great. It's a great start. Apparently actually has a few connections to right-wi-politics. This is an excerpt from BuzzFay News who, Buzveen News have done pretty much entirely all the reporting on Clearview. There's been a few things from Gizmoto and the New York Times is a really big piece on it,

but Buzzfeed's managed to get their hands on most of the, like documents around this, it's been pretty amazing, but yeah, here's their bit on Tontan has raised much of his online persona from that time period, old web accounts and posts uncovered by BuzzFeed News show that the 31-year-old developer was interested in far right politics. In a partial archive of his Twitter account from early 2017, Tontat wondered why all big US cities were liberal while retweeting a mix of bright-bought writers, venture capitalists and right-wing personalities. In today's world, the ability to handle a public shamingchahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. to handle to handle to handle to handle to handle to handle to handle to handle to handle to to the t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. ttoday, ttau, t. t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, to to to t, t, to t, t, t, t, t, t. t. t. t. ttt. ttttttttttttttttttoday, today, today, today, tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttoday, tttttttttt. t. t. today's world, the ability to handle a public shaming slash witch hunt is going to be a very important skill, he tweeted in January 2017. Those interactions didn't just happen online.

In June 2016, Mike Surnovich, a pro-drump personality on Twitter who propagated the pede scape conspiracy, posted a photo of Tontat at a meal with their today, with both of them making the okay sign with their hands. Cool. Awesome. Well, it's good to know that they're okay. And it gets worse. This is also from BuzzFeed News. While there's little left online about Smart Checker, BuzzFeed News obtained and confirmed a document first reported by the Times,

in which the company claimed it could the departing Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan. What does extreme voter targeting mean? I don't know. Well, extreme opposition research seems fucking insane. Is that just like, um, oh, we take all the photos that were immediately uploaded to this app. Okay. Turns out that the person they were running against had got both everyone and life streamer and they'd really fucked themselves up. A smart checker contractor, Douglas Mackey, pitched the services to Nailan. Mackey later became known for running the racist and highly influential Trump boosting Twitter account,

Ricky Vaughan, described by a Huff Post as Trump's most influential white nationalist troll. Mackie built a following of tens of thousands of users with a mix of far-ride propaganda, racist troops and anti-semitic cartoons. MIT's media lab ranked Vaughan, he used multiple accounts to dodge. It's one of the top 150 influences the 2016 presidential election. So a super racist guy that was working as a contractor for Clearview pitched using the app to another super racist guy. Cool. All very normal stuff.

The internet truly living up to its potential here. So the first, this thing has been going since 2016, right? But the first time it actually came into the news was only at the end of last year. Somehow they just sort of flew under the radar the whole time, even though it was being used that whole time. But there was a news story from Florida, from December where a woman allegedly stole $12,000 worth of basically barbecues from an Ace Hardware, which honestly more power to her if she's guilty.

But they found her by using Clearview and it was kind of mentioned as a footnote in one of the articles and then it sort of became the story because everyone was like, wait, what the fuck is this? And then the New York Times did a big investigation into it, which basically unearthed half the stuff about who the guy is the maiden, all these connections to the RoppyRide and stuff. But also in the process of them investigating this, they realized that Clearview was monitoring them. This is from the New York Times.

When I began looking to the company in November, its website was a bare page showing a non-existent Manhattan address as its place of business. The company's one employee listed on LinkedIn, a sales manager named John Good, turned out to be Mr. Tontat using a fake name. For a month, people affiliated with the company would not return my email as a phone calls. While the company was dodging me, it was also monitoring me. At my request, a number of police officers had run my photo through the Clearview app. They soon received phone calls from company representatives asking if they were talking to the media. A sign that Clearview has the ability,

and in this case, the appetite to monitor whom law enforcement is searching for. Also as part of that investigation, they got their hands on the code for the app. They found prototypes their their their their their their their their their their their thue thue thue to thue to be to be to be told told. They got their hands on the code for the app. They found produce-type stuff in there for using it with augmented reality glasses. So this has gone beyond the realm of I am looking for someone that I have seen on CCTV. I would like to put this photo into the search engine and get some results back. This is you just like standing in public and being like, oh, who's this? Who's this? Who's this? So they haven't actually made that yet, but clearly they were thinking about it, which is the most fucking terrifying thing here for me. John Good. I just want to take a moment to think about the best name he could come up with was John John Good. My name? I am Mr. Good. I, yeah I think something that's the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best th. Good. I think something that's terrifying about this is

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do facial recognition from space and all this sort of stuff whereas like in in reality I think we're you know we're all pretty assured that it's not really like that especially you know in countries like Australia or in America when you see the incredibly rudimentary stuff that like the police are fucking up all the time, that it makes you not as worried about that kind of thing. But this sort of stuff, this sort of stuff of like, hey, I got some friends to run my own face through there and they were immediately phoned by the people making the app saying hey this is the reporter who's been snooping into our business. This is all very much like the plot of a movie about a journalist who gets murdered

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So it's perfectly fine. One of its major investors went on the Scott Adams podcast, which I'm sure is great, and said that they are working with over a thousand independent law enforcement agencies. Working with is a little bit ambiguous there because that could either mean that the department itself has a contract with them or that could just mean that there are officers that have trial accounts that are using them. It's not entirely clear as part of the... well actually I haven't got to that yet I don't want to spoil the surprise but here's a quote from a police captain of a department that was using the service that yet. I don't want to spoil the surprise. But here's a quote from a police

captain of a department that was using the service that should put your mind at ease. Jason Urkel, a captain with the Sinojo Police Department, which is about 40 miles south of Atlanta, said he started with a free trial of Clearview before converting to a paid license and has since made one positive identification with his alleged. was allegedly cashing fake checks. He said he did not have to go through any training to obtain or use the software, and noted he never uses a cleavie matches the sole basis for attaining a warrant for arrest. It's just like you giving a weapon to a police officer, Ercol said. You would hope that he uses it properly and doesn't use it improperly and remembers his training. It's a good tool if used appropriately and with caution. Oh wow. That is the worst example I can imagine.

It's like how we give them guns. That thing that they abused constantly like, I saw a fucking video yesterday of the Chicago Police Department. There was a cop shot someone who had been like a, what do you call? He, a fair evasion. And he didn't want to be arrested and then they fucking shut him with a gun for like a fucking two or three dollar train ticket so yeah great if we can trust them with guns we can trust them with access to finding out the identity of any fucking person they see ever I am enjoying

the thought of our extremely shitty panopticon though where they run the faces through this terrifying database or whatever and whatever and results come up and then it pops up with a sort of like, winraer is not free software box that they have to click off every time they use it. That is literally the only check and balance is they have to get rid of that window. Yeah, yeah, you just go, I accept and then you're good to go. And in the very recent episode of us, we were talking about the massive abuses of power by the New South Wales police to constantly unlawfully search and strip search people.

Like the big thing at the crux of that was them just saying, oh yeah, I mean, like technically the cops have the power to do this stuff, but like none of them know what the rules are or really really understand the training and the training that we do give to them is just wrong. They can just have a vibe about it. Yeah. It's just straight vibing. Just a bunch of police in the moment.

Just vibing. This makes me think was stood down maybe last year or the year before because he had been searching police databases to get the address of one of his friends ex-wives who is a domestic violence victim. Yeah, it's just good to know that these tools are just in the hands of cops. It's okay though because there is a code of conduct that is non-legally binding, it just suggested, but they should, theoretically, only use the services for law enforcement or security purposes that are authorized by their employer and conducted pursuant to their

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anything like that? Like if you've got a thing associated with a 30-day trial and you're just Bob Farkhead from the local police. Like there is no way that your searches are going to end up in like a big list that your boss can like to see if you weren't searching for your ex-wife or anything like that. It's just clearly just going straight into the ether. It's funny that you say that. Or even because it does track searches, but one of the other things that Gizmoto found when they found a copy of the app in a publicly available Amazon S3 bucket is there was also prototyping code in there for a private searching mode? Oh, so just slap on the old incognito and go to town.

What use could that possibly have? Other than someone being like, well, time to see what my ex has been up to. Yeah, yep. And you would like to think that if what my ex has been up to. Yeah, yep. And you would like to think that if you are effectively giving people just unfettered access to all this kind of stuff, which they clearly are, like you're saying, Theo, that you would be able to track searches back to accounts so that say, I don't know, if somebody got horribly murdered, you could say, gee, did someone do like a dozen searches as to this person's whereabouts on this thing immediately before killing them? But hey, you know, who could say it.

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There's also just so many... like I think we can blame a lot of this attitude, this shift in attitude back to the sort of originators of this whole, the disruption economy, you know, the Uber app maker sort of thing, of this whole idea of, hey, yes, there are rights, there are privacy concerns, there are regulations, their workplace laws, all these sorts of things, but frankly they're getting in the way of progress. We hear you, but that's all very boring. Yes. We're moving way too fast for that. I understand that there are regulations, but Uber would like to fly a helicopter directly

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data breach, often that data breach showing that you were collecting a whole bunch of data that you weren't telling your users about, or that you were selling a bunch of that data to a third party that you had not told those users about, then Mark Zuckerberg goes before Congress in his weird, weird weird hair cut and his like Dagon fish eyes and skin and says we will do better. We can see that you are mad at us and next time next time it'll be fine and then several months later he's back up there saying I can see how this looks bad. But next time, next time it'll be fine. And then several months later, he's back up there saying, I can see how this looks bad, but next time. I can see how it was worse than you expected.

However. You can legitimately track the number of appearances now over the years, where Mark Zuckerberg has gone before Congress in the States and said, oh, we're really learning from this and we're going to do better shortly before doing exactly the same thing again. And that's just the playbook now. The playbook is that you operate outside of the law and then you go, soooie. What's what? What are we saw we? So we saw we. But, uh, yeah, and, and I think there's also lots of parallels in here too, like, the massive wage theft crisis that has been exposed in Australia over the last, you know, 12, 24

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2,228 of them had actually used it, so they'd made accounts and done searches. In total, 500,000 searches have been done. Oh, cool. Yeah, that's cool. 500,000 people. Think about that. Most of that's cool. 500,000 people. Think about that.

Most of these were coming from trial accounts. The NYPD, which when asked previously, back when the New York Times, I think we're first investigating it, said that they didn't use it. They did more searches than any other single client doing 11,000 in total from 30 different logins. But it turns out it's not just law enforcement that has it. There are 200 companies on that list. There's a bunch of Las Vegas casinos, the NBA made accounts, the Fitness Company Equinox made accounts. Madison Square Garden made accounts. Best Buy, Walmart,

Right Aid, Macy's and Home Depot all made accounts. Best Buy, Walmart, Rite Aid, Macy's and Home Depot, all made accounts. What the fuck does Macy's need a horrifying facial recognition database searches for? Shoplifters? That person. Yeah, I mean, that's literally... Let's fire him and shoot them with a gun. Yep. And that's definitely worth all the fucking, all of the rights that we're given up for this shit. That wasn't all of the revelations that we had either. So back in January the ABC talked to every state and territory police department and the Department of Home Affairs in Australia asking if they used clear view. Every single one of them said no except to Victoria Police who said that they can't comment for security reasons.

BuzzFeed News Australia had a look at the list and found out that police in Queensland, Victoria, South Australia and the AFP have all been using it. They've done more than a thousand searches between them. The AFP denied it originally when it was brought to them and then BuzzFeed showed them the documents they said they would do some further digging after they brought it to their attention. And then they said, oh that clear water. I'm typing it up on my invisible typewriter. Clear view.

Cool. So that's where we're at now. The recently hacked horrible fucking nightmare app is being used by our cops who famously can't do anything right and are actively trying to fuck people up because they are the worst people alive. So that's awesome. Yeah, and as we've also seen, it is effectively impossible to hold Australian police to account. So, like, let's take bets here. Do you reckon this will fuck up society by being used intentionally by law enforcement agencies and governments, or it'll fuck up society after the entire database leaks and then no one

has any privacy? I think when we get to the point where we're using augmented reality goggles to walk down the street and link people's appearances to only fans leaks and just like you know having their entire police history pop up in front of their eyes and all that sort of thing that maybe we need to reflect on that we went wrong somewhere. Yeah, but we like to do that after the fact, so. I don't want to do the Ian Malcolm's speech from Jurassic Park, but what part of you making this doesn't just go like, this might actually be a bad thing if it exists. Like, you can't, it requires so much trust in everyone that's going to come into contact

with it, then it's fucking absurd. I mean, it's a stupid hypothetical hypothetical to pose because they just want money. I mean, that's it. But. Yeah, and I guess the thing as well that we have all been shown over and over and over again when it comes to this type of thing what you're talktalking about, is that like, I guess to so many aspects of law enforcement is that a lot of it involves people having access to systems, to rights, to powers, and all that sort of thing, which if we lived in an absolutely perfect

world and no humans were involved in the process somehow. I mean it would still fuck up, but even then so much of this is just relying on like average people to do the right thing 100% of the time and it just doesn't happen. I mean again when we were talking about the issues with unlawful searches in New South Wales and I'm sure across other parts of Australia, you know one of know, one of the things that they had said in that, well, the two large parts of the issue were that, A, they had given cops quotas for how many searches they had to do on members of the public throughout a year, completely untethered from whether or not there's actually a reason to search people so you've already introduced a reason to do it outside of thinking that a crime has been committed but also that you know the actual oversight involved that you needed to take that to a senior officer and say I need you to verify

this report for me that I've done the right thing instead they just said oh you can self-verify your own reports. That oversight part, what if we just pull that out of it? So even in situations where even with proper oversight, there's still going to be stuff going wrong, they're making active efforts at every single turn to say, what if we didn't have that though? Which is just terrifying society that's for sure. It's true read out the last two paragraphs of the big New York Times piece on it because I think you might like this. Even if Clearview doesn't make it out publicly available a copycat company

might now that the taboo was broken searching someone by face could become as easy as googling a name, strangers to be able to listen in unsensitive conversations, take photos of the participants and no personal secrets. Someone walking down the street would be immediately identifiable and his or her home address would only be a few clicks away. It would hereld the end of public anonymity. Asked about the implications of bringing such a power to to to to to to to to the to to the the to the their their into the world, Mr. Tontat seemed taken aback. I have to think about that, he said. For the very first time.

I'm just going to consider that now. Huh, that's strange. Fuck. What? I feel like we... Wait a damn second. Why are you asking me about this? I feel like we we looked at something really similar to this recently where like somebody got asked about

something like this and they sort of said oh wow yeah I guess that's something to consider like but that was the cops where the judge is like you don't record that this was like there's no reason you could have possibly done any strip search she's like yep now that you mentioned it. Yeah now now that I'm that I I I I I I I I I I I I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was th. that was th. that was that was the th. that was like. that was like. that was like. that was like. that was like. that was like. that was like. that was that was that was don't reckon that this was like, there's no reason you could have possibly done any strip searches. He's like, yep, now that you mentioned it. Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it for the very first time, though the 119 strip searches I did over the weekend were probably all unlawful. Yeah, great. Great stuff, people are so preoccupied with doing this sort of shit.

And you know, like saying Ben, just being someone who can say, I made the next big app, I am a billionaire now and also everybody can put on their goggles and immediately see all of the dick picks you sent when you were 19. I just, I can't get over the fact that it's, like, the juxtaposition between what this guy did previously and how big this is going to be now is mind boggling to me. Some guy who made an app called Romantic Gifts should not be able to make something that's used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. I just, it's very troubling.

Mr. Romantic gifts. Good stuff. Well anyway, I guess you can wear a mask. Cops don't like that. Cops don't like that. We're a motorbike helmet everywhere you go. Well, enjoy the future. Yeah. So like we said, the cops kind of are using it. And already, as we said, they've kind of used it, and then said, no, we're not using it. And then after being shown that they are using it, said, oh, that, yes, we are using that. So I guess, like if, you know, not sure exactly what you can do about it, you could write

to the Commonwealth Ombudsman so you can lodge complaints with them. They specifically have oversight into like policies and methods that police use at the sort of federal level. So rather than, if you put in a complaint to your local police, they will say, hey, we're only taking complaints about matters that involve you specifically, in the same way that if you went to the Commonwealth Ombudsman and said, hey, I want to make a report of a crime, they will say, no, go and talk to your local police. But the Commonwealth Ombudsman covers like actual policies

and that sort of stuff. So you know, you should feel very free to submit a thing to them that says, I am highly concerned about police access to this thing. It should be reviewed. It should be made sure that there is effectively no accessing of this done by the cops or any law enforcement agencies in Australia. you can also also also to to to to to to to to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their to their to their to their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their.oooo.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o. too. too. their their too. their to enforcement agencies in Australia. You can also lodge complaints with your state's police department and you can also write to

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Terrifying stuff. But yeah, kick up all stink about it, you know? Make very clear that you're just kind of tired of having your privacy violated at each and every turn. It's bad enough that the cops can just roll up on you in the street and say, Oh, give us a giz in your holes. You know? You know? I wish they couldn't do that.

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Like, I'm going to do it anyway. This is a story from the BBC with the deceptively low-key headline, Liverpool Travelodge, colon. Digger Driver jailed for Rampage. Here we go. A Digger Driver who smashed up the entrance of a new hotel because he was owed 600 pounds in wages has been jailed. This is the down apart.

John Manley of Netherton Merseyside left a trail of destruction at the travel lodge in Liverpool on the day work was due to finish. He caused more than 443,000 pounds worth of damage to the front door reception desk and windows during the rampage in January 2019 which went viral. At Liverpool Crown Court he was jailed for five years and four months. Manley 36 of St. Aden's Way was previously admitted damaging property and being reckless as to where the life was endangered. Videos of the destruction showed colleagues asking Manley to stop as he shouted, All you had to do was pay me. We stand a king. Sentencing Judge David Orbry QC said Manley was intent on maximum damage and intended to leave

a trail of destruction. He said Manley had caused destruction in the extreme and put the safety of those inside and outside the building at risk. The judge except Manley, who was brought to have quote social problems, had a number of issues in his life. His grievance, or perceived grievance, in consequence the fact that you had not been paid your wages may well have been the catalyst which led you on this day to erupt like a volcano. They do erupt. The court previously heard, uh, mannedly had intended to cause to cause to cause to cause to cause to cause to cause to cause to cause to cause to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the. th thro. to to to.o to.o. to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th th not been paid over the Christmas period. The site was run by Renstone Property Management, but Manley was employed by a contractor MF Groundworks, which received payment for carried out on 17 January. Site Manager Peter Robinson said he saw Manley twice in the days before the rampage and he had threatened to barricade himself in a hut and damaged the building if he was not paid. Trevor Jared Jarram's prosecuting said, said, said, said, s s s s s pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro. the prosecutor's pro. S. S. S. S. S. the prosecutor, the prosecutor, believed this was a threat that would not be carried out and made him a cup of tea and bought him a sandwich.

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And if you want to get a whole vibe for that general sort of thing, watch the 1993 film falling down. Just ignore all the racist parts. You don't have to yell at a guy and tell him to speak English. Does he yell at a guy and tell him speak English? The convenience store guy. It's the same place where also complains about how things don't cost the same as they cost in the 50s. No, he complains about how much things cost.

But then later on, when he runs into the Nazi guy at like the military outlet store, he's like, I'm not a racist, I'm not like you, handily absolving himself of all of the... He's not a white supremacist. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't yell the guy about speaking English. He just, he just, he wants a, he wants to, he wants to watch the film falling down right into us. Yeah. I think it's a very clumsy attempt by Joel Schumacher to say let's have this white guy who looks like he's from the 1950s, Michael Douglas going very psycho mode in this movie, let's have him

complain about all the things that people who live in LA would complain about like Latino gang members and like Korean convenience stores. We'll have them complain about these things, but he complains about them from a specifically not racist standpoint. Like he's just trying to walk through a park without getting shaken down by thugs. He's just trying to buy a soda, except the soda cost too much money. And then later on, he goes, hey, I'm not a Nazi like you. I just want to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make the soda cost too much money. And then later on he goes hey I'm not a Nazi like you I just want to make America great again. So watch reactionary film Falling Down. That's Andrews falling the recommendation for the week. We know that all of all of my recommendations are extremely reactionary

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