Boonta Vista - EPISODE 152: Shell's Coming With Me

Episode Date: June 8, 2020

Andrew, Theo, and Ben talk about the Black Lives Matter protests going on in the States and at home, and check-in with a snail that definitely fucks for an instalment of Nature Corner. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Merchandise: boontavista.com/merchandise Twitch: twitch.tv/boontavista

Hello, welcome to Buonvista, episode 152. I am Ben, and I'm here in the beautiful Amomor Creek State Forest enjoying the sights and sounds of the Gimpy Music Muster. On stage, inexplicably playing a fretless five-string bass for Troy Casadaley, doing solos that simply do not have any place in the songs as Theo. Hello, Theo. Hey, how you going? How you doing there?

Good, good. Getting really big into gent. Uh-huh, sure. Sure. Lately. It just seems like you keep sort of trying to kick off on these solos then everyone else will start playing again, almost instantly. Yeah, look, I think the thing I've found is that if you slap the bass hard enough, you do not need a pick. That's true.

It's gonna whack that base. Theo's right, attempting to either buy or sell drugs from or to Casey Chambers, it's Andrew. I know she's holding something or she will be holding something soon. One way or the other, we're going to sort this out. One way or the other, you'll get what you want, which is for drugs and money to change her hands in either direction. What's the most gimpie music festival drug do you think? I think, uh, methamphetamines. It's got to be meth right. And I don't mean this in a you know in a derogatory fashion. I'll try to paint the people going to this as hillbillies. I just mean that you know if you're going to be doing a lot of boot scooting, you're gonna want to go all night. You need that energy man. I've been to radios it. I know that that energy is not coming

from inside themselves. It's either that or just an unfathomable amount of Bundy and Coke's, you know. Oh that'll certainly do it. That is its own potent drug cocktail, I believe. All of that Queensland sugar cane gets you hopped up bad. Americans wouldn't know about this because you know they're drinking that a high fructose corn syrup instead of actual sugar. They got those sugar beets? I'm sorry? They've got sugar beets, not sugar cane as well.

So beats, so beets, B-W-T-S-E-S, uh, that have sugar in them. That's how they make their sugar. That's how they make their sugar. That could be largely is through sugar beets. They're fucking up. It comes in a grass. It doesn't come in a tuber? No. Disgusting country. Very strange. Who's making sugar out of beats? This is madness. Americans, this is what I've been saying. Instead? I don't have. Is this like a long campaign that?. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It th. It th. It th. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's the. It's th. It's the. It's th. It's the. It's th. It's th. It's th. It, this is what I've been saying. Instead. I don't have... Is this like a long campaign that you have been running? Just like, try to inform people about this? Very strange.

Very definitely the first I've heard about your issue with sugarbeats. To be, to be fair. Well, then you haven't been listening. Wow. You've been lacing all of these episodes, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds, these episodes, hundreds of episodes with like subliminal criticisms of the sugarbeat industry. Play the tapes back. Play it backwards. But, yeah, I do think that, well, is it the, is it the, is it the, the very high-proof rum and too much cola that makes people go incredibly violent?

Or is it a combination of the two? I don't know if I... I only believe that like rum is for fighting in a metaphorical sense, right? Like there's no, there's no actual chemical in rum that can make you more prone to fighting, correct? I reckon there is... I reckon that like... Pirates. Why do pirates? You know? Why they all better went. I think with drinks we kind of let ourselves have these like weird myths about them that we wouldn't entertain with anything else.

I think mainly because we learn them all when we're like 18 internalized them and never question them. Oh dude, he's drinking with a straw. He's got to get so fucked up. All those bubbles are going straight to his brain. Oh no, there's gin in that. He will have killed himself by the end of the evening. Well, it just been like, oh dude. Well, the thing does best with your ethers.

You had gin and you had rum? Oh, dude, you, totally wrecked. Yeah it's just it's just booze. Just drink water. That's all you have to do. Drink a bunch of it, drink water, you'll be fine. And that's alcohol. All right, see you everybody. We just we just came to discuss, you know, the state of alcohol where it's from, what it does to you? Can I just say, there's two things about the sugar beet. The Latin name for the sugar beet, the species is the Beta Volgaris. B-E-T-A, it's Veta. It's Voday. It's Vodaguer. Yes. It's my favorite queens of the stone ageum. Yep. Uh, and its closest wild relative is the sea beat.

I'm actually on the sea beat diet. Oh boy. It means I'm only eating sea beets. It means I'm only eating seabeats. And your body is rife with scurvy. It's very sick. Please help. My goodness. My family, seabeats all they have. Also the sea beat implies the existence of a much more confusing land beat. Well we don't have time to get into that, do we? The little sky beat and fire beat. And the heartbeat.

Oh, fucking hell. Boom! We're putting together a protest against that joke. I think it's going to run up against some larger, better protests. Hey, there he is. The king of the Segway, back on top maybe. I went to bed very late, but I've drunk a lot of coffee this morning, and it's all kind of balancing out.

And you can just keep doing that forever, I've found. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, you just keep ladling that. You know what I was thinking as I made my third coffee today? I was thinking... I can't... I just don't. I do not. I couldn't even begin to guess. I was making my third coffee and thinking to myself, I cannot remember the last time I drank water. Fah! Fah! That's real. That's not good. That is real. Look it's coffee's for the mornings and beers for the evenings. And Saturdays are for the boys. Is that right Andrew? It's for the boys. Thanks.

I drank exactly one glass of water when I was getting quite drunk one night this week and like told seven people about it the next day I was so proud of myself. I was like you won't believe it I woke up the next day feeling great I had water. I love that that train of thought when you're like filling up the glass at the sink just before you go to bed and you're like I'm the fucking smartest person on this right. You know the fucking smartest person on that, right? You know, the fucking the guy at the end of Inside Man walking out with the diamonds in your pocket just laughing your ass off. Does anybody else ever do the preemptive panadol?

Oh yeah, that's a classic. You drink like a pine a water with two panadol and you will wake up in the morning and think that you actually had a big wheat grass smoothie. How long just just the diamond the diamond the diamond a the diamond a the diamond a little the diamond a little the diamond a little the diamond a little the diamond a little the diamond a little the diamond a little the the diamond a little the the the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond. the diamond. the diamond. the diamond. the diamond. It's the diamond. It's the diamond. It's diamond. It's diamond. It's the diamond. It's diamond the diamond. It's the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond the diamond th. It's tie takes th. It's takes takes takes takes takes takes th. It's takes takes takes takes takes takes takes ta. It's a little ta. I ta. I'll tou. I'll tip. I'll. I'll. I'll tou. I'll ty. I'll. I'll tou. I'll wheat grass smoothie. That's how good you'll feel. How long just paddole last for? Not that long. It just takes a little bit of the edge off. Like, I don't know if anybody else has that issue where like, I don't know, if I've been too drunk and I'm going to bed and I'm like, I've already started to sober up, get a bit head achy, you know? You ever have that thing where you wake up in the middle of the night and the hangover has already started? Oh, I hate that one. That's a bad one. Yeah, yeah. So that's the time when you, like, your lizard brain needs to really help you out by either getting you to peel your self, to go and drink a big glass of water and take a couple of pan at all or you will go my head hurts and go back to sleep and then you'll

wake up a couple hours later and go oh it still hurts and then you wake up in the morning and you're like I wish I have done something about this six hours ago I had a really weird one last week where like I had been doing stream at Nethers where I'd been drinking relatively moderately and like I got home and George had a couple people around like drinking the backyard around the fire and I was like I'll have like one drink and go to bed because I'm a little sleepy and then immediately had a bunch of drinks put into my hand because like everyone was

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Oh no. Oh, that was confronting. Hmm. I actually had the worst hangover. I've had like a year, a week ago. Because we finally like had some friends over because restrictions had been reduced enough that we could like see some people. We had three friends over for dinner and I made a nice big dinner and I made brisket, did

the whole jazz and our friend said, what can we bring? And I was like, bring me a six pack of nice beer. And they bought like a couple of six packs of just like mixed, mixed stuff like kaiju beers and you know, craft sort of stuff. But you know how a bunch of them are like 15%? Mmm. At the moment my fridge is only one specific kaiju beer that's like 11 or 12% that just like, it's a desperation beer at this point.

They're very strong and we were all, you know when like you're just really happy about a social situation everybody was buzzing they were high on life. You're vibing you're straight vibing. We were all straight vibing and I got too excited and just drank a lot of those beers. I'm doing way too many of those beers. We were making cocktails. We had champagne because it was someone's birthday I th I mixed up I I I I I I the the the the the th th th the th th the th th th th the th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I just just just just just just just really really just th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, doing way too many of those beers. We're making cocktails, we had champagne because it was someone's birthday, I mixed up all the drinks. Here come the drink conspiracy theories again. No, you shouldn't have mixed your drinks, bro. Oh, I mixed so many drinks.

So many kinds of drinks and so many of them that I did not get out of bed until like 2 p.m. or something next day, which is exceptional when you have small children. You need a caring partner for those. An incredibly generous wife. Yes, yes. We do trade the occasional being kind to the other person when they have the odd hangover. It's a nice way to be. You gotta bring the other person breakfast. I have one of those ones where like I tried to eat a piece of toast at like 1 p.m. the next day. You know when you really need to eat something but your body is also like please don't. Yeah that's the struggle it's the struggle gotta get something in you. That's why Anthony Bordain swore by smoking a fat blunt the first thing you do when you wake up with a hangover to get your appetite back.

Yeah, that's fair. Which very occasionally, if I've got nothing else on the next day, I will like just wake up and vape a little bit of a toast for my poor tummy. We do toasties. So anyway, if you don't drink, I apologize about the whole start of this episode. It would be incredibly boring to you. Whereas I was talking about all the times that we've been hung over will be fascinating to other people. A little bit of drinkers chat. All I'm saying, all I'm saying is that, you know, it was unusual to be able to actually be in a room with other adults that we liked to hang out with. And it was very fun, and it was very nice. thiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was th. I was th. I was th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. thi. thi. I was theea. I was tote. tote. the. I was tote. thi. thi. thi. thi. I was thi. I was that we liked to hang out with. And it was very fun, and it was very nice. Hey, there's been a whole lot of other people hanging out with each other in public.

They've been doing protests. We talked to, I already did it Segway, and Ben just derailed it. I don't think I derailed that one. I think I grabbed you on the segue and then you started talking about something else No, it sounds like it was you and you're derailing this one to My God fucking damn it Welcome to Buda Vista, it's a podcast we talk about stuff podcast about segues

It's the first all-segway podcast. What did they make the whole plane out of Segway? Oh So we did talk in length last week, Lucy and I, about the protests that are going on all around the world, specifically concentrated in America. Ben and Theo weren't there because they said, quote, we are not allies to that cause. Which I was taken away by hospitalized, but you know. Yeah he was and we're all glad he's better. And it was very nice about it. I'm like, hey guys, Carp Podcasts today.

Dio, I got a little bit of an upset tummy. You didn't at any point say, oh, B2Dubs, I am going to hospital, which I think it's information I would have appreciated. Well, how did I find out and you didn't, huh? Oh, I think that alludes to a separate one layer down boys chat. Oh, okay. Oh my God, no. There's not even in the inner cloister. Wow.

I love being here in the regular cloister, it's great. Just in the normal cloister. Hanging out and just a regular cloister for average working Joe's like myself. So just kidding though, Ben does support the cause and he could tell you all about the protest that he went to yesterday? That's true. It was yesterday. There were protests in Australia's beautiful capital cities as well as other ones in smaller places.

Newcastle had a really big one, which is wild. But yeah, I went to the Brisbane one, which was, I had a tough time deciding on whether I was going to go, I think, because, you know, there's this whole coronavirus on. And the organizers, for all of these rallies have all taken very great pains to make sure everyone's got masks, everyone's using hand and sanitizer, everyone's sort of keeping a distance from each other and stuff, but I still, you know, it's scary. We live in a fucking scary time. We've all been locked inside for months. I don't like the prospect of us maybe being stuck inside for longer, but in the end this I think seemed it's a very important

issue and it's probably worthwhile showing support for these things, so I went and it was fucking huge. The estimates I saw for the crowd size was something like 30,000 people, but also just from my experience of writing about anything with the crowd and how the media does that stuff, it is like just so far from a science that one person will take a guess at what that number is and then every other media outlet will just use that number. So I don't know how accurate that is, but it's bigger than any of the Australia Day marches that I've been to. It's bigger than the big climate change ones that happened last year.

Like it was just fucking enormous. Like a few, there are photos and stuff going around, but it was meant to take place in King George Square in the city, which is quite large. And just people could not fit into it. They were spilled out into the streets on both sides. It just kept going further and further, further back. It was fucking astonishing. And it was a good vibe. Like basically every single person I saw was wearing a mask because they were given them out for free. The only people that I saw that weren't wearing masks. We were in two moments where like George and I were standing in the crowd and these, within five minutes two guys walk past us, not wearing masks separately.

And they are both like the oldest men I've ever seen in my life. Like two dudes that would have been in their like mid to late 70s, just fucking in a sea of people wearing masks. They'm just like huh what? Not even which I guess it's fine if the people around them wearing masks right because that's that's what we're trying to stop that Moisture droplet expulsion from the mouth So I guess they're they're kind of that's why I don't drink water. You gotta keep your mouth real dry for public health reasons Yeah, so that that aspect of it was, it was heartening to see that people took this quite seriously and then to see just that number of people come out for something like this, especially

when it's a scary time to leave your house. It's fucking rules. Well, I guess what's, what's sort of interesting about this particularly is that like, I mean, obviously there's the, there's the government's reaction to these various things because as people have pointed out, there was like a big protest in Sydney like a week ago for people to go out and say, oh, 5G gave me Corona and Pete Evans is a genius and that sort of shit. And we didn't see the government going to any particular pains to stop that or to tell those people you shouldn't be gathering, you know, you're all violating

restrictions or anything like that. In this case in Sydney, they went to like the High Court? Supreme Court. They went to one of those two. Went to the Supreme Court to try and have the entire thing declared unlawful so that they could say you're not allowed to do this thing. And of course it was under the guise of, you know, we're concerned about health and restrictions and everything, but it seems like a very, very selective process by which people are told you can't gather in numbers because they're also talking about like putting the footy back on, being able to go and watch, watch

the football live, and that's fine. I would love to be able to try and deem criticism of myself unlawful. Yeah. And Lord knows you've tried. Just like my boss, like ah, we've got to really sit down and have a chat. Hang on. Let me just push this piece of paper across the table too. Not lawful. It just says no. No.

But absolutely not. So yeah, there's obviously that whole aspect of it. But, like I said, Ben, there would be plenty of people like yourself who are thinking about it in that context without, you know, having the government try and force you to do so. But I guess it's interesting because of the spontaneous nature of this, because of how seemingly this particular event, you know, the murder of George Floyd has just prompted hundreds and thousands if not millions of people around the world to say, you know what, we're kind of done with the police states that we're all living in and we've had all of these all of these concessions given from various cities and states and all that sort of stuff to say, hey, we're going to reduce some of the funding for the police and

hey, we're going to actually charge these cops that we've been watching, kill people on film and all that sort of stuff. And people aren't letting up. And it's, it seems like one of the sort of, it's aren't letting up. And it seems like one of the sort of, it's the first time in my living memory where something like this has happened. There have been, you know, there's been action starting to be taken on the things people are asking about.

And people are saying, cool, but that's not enough. And they're still going. And that's that's th's th's th's th's th's th's th's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thii, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thoomoomoomoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoe like, thoom. thoom. thoes like, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theea. that's that's that's extremely inspiring to me. The people are sort of saying this is you know this is more important than saying we're all supposed to be staying inside. It's about hundreds of thousands of people pouring into the street to say we are all collectively done with being treated like this and it's an extremely multiracial coalition of people coming out for this, you know? It's pretty good, if you ask me. The violence from the police, not so good.

No, that fucking sucks. Not a big fan of that. I mean, like, we've all been seeing the fucking videos that are coming out of the states. Like, just every day there's like dozens where you're just like, well, there's no way it can get any worse than that and then you know you see a fucking guy crack his head on the pavement just start gushing blood out of his ear while a bunch of cops just walk past like But oh well and then they you know get up and they they straight up you know lie to your face about it as if We haven't just watched this entire like sequence of events, not just this one, but everything unfolded in the last couple of days on video camera from multiple angles.

But they'll just still straight up get up there and lie. And I think people will are now, I hope, and I don't want to give too much credit to to people, especially to people, especially the media, especially the Australian media in particular, but start to not take at their word and just simply print it into the paper, hey, this happened, that happened, you know, it's a scenario where just the sheer brute force of the number of instances and the number of videos and then just the immediate turnabout lies about what occurred, how it occurred, who was responsible, maybe something will start to filter through into the various lizard brains

of our media overlords. I don't know. You'd kind of hope that like repeatedly seeing the phrase they fell. They've tripped and fell. Oh man, so they like they used that with the guy cracked his head open, well the guy's got the fucking brain bleed or whatever it was, yeah, they said that he fell even though it's clear video of him being pushed. My favorite was the favorite is weird in this context, but a particularly glaring example of this was I think it was channel channel channel channel channel channel channel channel channel channel channel channel channel channel. the th, th. th. th. I was a th. I was a th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. th. the. the. the the. the. th. th. I, th. I, th. I, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, the the the th. I, the the the th. I'm, th. the. the. the. the. the. the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm, the. I'm, the 7 News Crew, I was an Australian news crew, where there is a guy with an enormous broadcast camera on his shoulder. Like, could not more obviously be from the media if he was like... Also trying to keep out of the way. Yes, he was like back and away because there's a bunch

of fucking armored riot police descending on him. And this cop just comes around the corner and fucking whams a fucking plastic shield directly into his guts and then they just come out and be like oh well it was a confusing time and maybe someone fell. Well he also yeah he also punches him directly in the face and and yeah the press release said oh well the police were moving forward after directing people to leave the area and they may have fallen. And I think it's also important to note in this instance, and it is obvious, but it takes reiteration is that the police are quite often the primary source of testimony in court

as well. Not just in America, in Australia as well. And it's very difficult to reconcile that, I hope. It should be difficult to reconcile that with these instances. And what we know is that these instances are not new. It's just we've got more cameras on it now. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think with this in particular, it's also shining this massive light on who the police have an allegiance to, and the answer to that is the police. Yes.

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They all, it's just a group of cops. And when somebody comes to them with a complaint, they turn to the cop next to them and go, does this look right to you year old, you know, the footage of him being pushed backwards, falling over and cracking his head on the pavement immediately starting to pour blood out of his head. It's a very upsetting video. One of the other cops leans down as if to try and see if he's okay, and another cop immediately stops him from attempting to render assistance to the elderly man.

says no, no, no, we don't do that around here. Cave the scarling on and then all of the rest of them robotically walk forward around him. And so after being told, oh well yeah he he tripped and fell and everybody said actually everybody in the world has seen what happened and is horrified by it. They then say, oh actually, you know, maybe we'll have a look into that and people have gone still not good enough. And they finally come back with, okay, we've charged the two cops that shoved him with assault. And apparently, 57 other members of that police unit have not resigned, but have like quit that task force. Yeah, that task force. Yeah, that task force. In solidarity with their th th th th th th thoings tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho tho tho th th tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho-n tho' thoan thoan thoan thoan thoan thoan thoan thooooooooooo tho tho that task force. Yeah, that task force.

In solidarity with their colleagues, the ones who have been charged with assault for very, very clearly and blatantly assaulting an elderly man on camera. And in example after example, the only thing the cops care about is the cops. Like, um, you know, it's the mayors that are being pressured in all these cities to actually change things that are happening. And where they have given any kind of concessions and they haven't been anywhere near enough. Like, we've seen, you know, the police unions, the LAPD police union was publicly speculating on the mental health of the mayor.

After he said that like videos of people, of cops killing people, showed killers. They were like, we think that the mayor needs to see like a mental health professional and we're concerned about his faculties. That's not a new trick by the way. There's a well-documented case of a whistleblower in the American police force who ended up being committed in the middle of the night to a mental institution for rampant paranoia and all that sort of stuff by his colleagues because he was criticizing the force. It's a horrifying. It's a nightmare. That's a nightmare scenario. And these aren't even, like I think that we aren't even really talking about cities that have, that I like widely

acknowledged to have the reputations for having the worst police corruption. This is everywhere. Yeah. It is, um, I saw, you know, they've, they've basically said we're going to disband the police in Minneapolis and we're going to rebuild this whole thing from the ground up, which is what I think they need to be talking about doing. But I saw a thing from a council member in Minneapolis who said, if you try to defund the police or you try to actually change anything about what they're doing, they will deliberately deliberately, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,ry to defund the police or you try to actually change anything about what they're doing, they will deliberately do slowdowns in your ward. He said, I did a funding cut to the police when I was on the council there and just started

getting all these phone calls from people who said, I've called the police about this thing that was happening and it took them like 10 hours to show up and when they did they said call your local councilman and ask them why it took it so long to turn up. And yeah people are just like it's a protection racket. The cops are the mafia. Like give us what we want and give us all of the money and resources that we want or else bad things tho tho tho th tho th. th. th. th. th. th. tho th-I tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi that that that tho tho tho-I tho-I tho-I that thi. tho-I tho-I they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they's they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to to to to to to to to to to to to too. too. too too too too too too told. to to to told. to to to to to to to to to to the to of the money and resources that we want or else bad things happen. Give us what we want and no one will get hurt. No sorry, okay. Start again. Can't make any promises but give us what we want and the right people will get hurt. And I think as a lead into our to our next story all they had to do,

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You just don't do the thing. Don't do the thing, and everyone will forget and we'll be back to you know just having racism where we can't see it. But they couldn't help themselves. Like and the interesting thing is when all this kicked off I think a lot of people were initially saying oh look at the police coming in and like you know beating people and looting and stuff and that's disappeared right like it's clear that this is just now now they're just now they're just doing things like you know when people are peacefully leaving protests like cornering them several blocks away and just you know opening fire on them with

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I mean, I don't really have a lot of things going on in my life right now. I barely leave the house. And when I do, it's to go to the hospital. Friend of the show, Patrick Wyman, said, the the the toe, the toe, toe, toe, toe, the toe, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi, th th th th th th th th th thi, thi, thi, th th th th th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. thi, th. th. thi, th. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th th th the, the, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, toe. toea. toea. toea. toea. toeaui. toea. toea. to something on Twitter that I found interesting which was he said it's wild watching the police all across the country affirm that even property isn't as important to them as sustaining a very specific kind of social order. Oh 100% he says given the choice it seems like they'd much rather fight protesters than catch looters which isn't as incoherent as it seems at first because the protesters challenge the social order in a more direct way than looters do.

Yeah, that's right. I mean, and as a concrete example, and I mean the pun now, like I actually meant to say that, then they're just, you know, caught on camera laying down huge supplies of bricks to lure people into you know grabbing them and smashing window then you go and beat the protesters you know it's it's he's he's 100% on the money there that it protecting the property is is not the point well the things where the police have been like deliberately blocking off routes while protesters are marching through a city and then like heading them off onto a bridge where they've closed the other side of the the the the other side protest protest protest protest protest protest protest protest protest protest protest protest. the protest. the protest. the the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the the the the the the the the the protest the protesters the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest the protesters the protesters the protesters the protesters the protesters the protesters the protesters the protesters the protesters the protest the protest the protest the protest the protest the protest the protest the protest the protest the protest the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the protest. the the the the the the the the the the other the other the other the other the other the other other the other other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the the other the the other the the thethem off onto a bridge where they've closed the other side of the bridge, hemming them in on both sides and then waiting until the curfew is is over and then saying, your aisle all out past curfew and now we're going to beat the shit out of you.

But um, but yeah, I feel like, you know, even seeing even seeing more and more outlets in the press. th. th. prone to do this type of thing, saying, you know, protests about police brutality met with waves of police brutality. Like people are starting to say it now, and I noted this on the show last week when Lucy and I were talking about it, but I think that it bears repeating. I kind of think in a good way, sorry I think in a very broad way it is a net positive that the press are being treated the same as the protesters here. Because historically it's been a thing where something will happen the press observe it and they say oh well we as the protesters here. Because historically, it's been a thing where something will happen, the press observe it, and they say,

oh, well, we need to hear both sides of this thing. And we need to get a statement from the police, and we need to blah, blah, blah. And in this case, it's just been the police walking up to journalists. Yeah, I got't give a fuck about your press badge, I will take it off you. Pepper spraying people, there's been journalists just standing out in the middle of the street, you know, 50 meters away from anything happening and they see a line of cops down the road and they go, who are they shooting at us? Oh fuck, they're shooting at us. It's us. We are the, yeah, we are their enemy now. Yeah, We are the fact, we are the fact, we are the fact, we are the fact, we are their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their enemy now. Yeah and the fact that there has been that there is now just no yeah the police are not discerning at all between protesters and the press they're just saying if you are out on the streets anywhere in the vicinity of

any of this we have license to beat the shit at you and yeah I think that it's just it's really cut out this whole middleman of the police appeared to engage in like violence or the police appeared to instigate this thing. Instead we just have video after video after video more more footage of like did you you guys see the footage of the CNN reporter getting arrested live on air? Yeah. Yeah so black reporter standing there with his crew and are suddenly surrounded by a group of white cops and they say, hey guys, we're filming here,

we're all press, here's our accreditation and everything. Would you like us to move somewhere else? We can do that and then they just silently start arresting them all while they're doing a live feed to the CNN. It's like they're just absolutely intent on showing people what they are and what they're doing and what they obviously must be kind of doing all the time. Like you said, The other only thing they had to do was not this. Yeah. And I did see a thing earlier in the day from a, from like a sociologist or an anthropologist or something,

saying that they had looked at this data from thousands of protests between 1960 and 1995 and said that by far, any protest that was about the way people are treated by the police had a far higher rate of the police turning out in greater numbers and inflicting violence on the people there.. there, there, there, there, there, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was there, was, was there, was th, was th, was th, was th, was th, was th, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, or thi, or an th, or an th or an th or an th or an thi, or an thi, or an thi, or an thi, or thi, or thi, or thi, or thi, or thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thioli, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thi, was thioliolioliolioliolioliolioliolioli, was thiolioliologi, was thi, was thiolioli, was thi, was thi, was th way people are treated by the police had a far higher rate of the police turning out in greater numbers and inflicting violence on the people there. They were like, this is no coincidence. If you were thinking to yourself, hey, are the police doing this specifically because people are protesting about the way they are treated by the police and they want

the police to behave differently, the answer is absolutely 1,000 percent yes. And we saw an interesting example of this in Sydney. So Sydney had their protest. I think in Queensland, didn't they declare beforehand that like there weren't going to be any arrests or any like charges for breaking restrictions or anything like that. I'm not actually sure, but I mean that the way it planned out on the day was that cops were there handing out masks which seems kind of like a tacit endorsement of being outside. Well I'm I thought I read something I might be wrong as always about absolutely everything. I thought I read something beforehand that the police had basically said beforehand that youthe police had basically said beforehand,

you know, we are not going to get anybody's way about this. Whereas, like we said, in New South Wales said, we're going to go to court to try and get this assembly deemed unlawful, which it was, but then it went back for appeal and was reviewed several hours before it was meant to be, uh, meant to be on, and it was meant to be meant to be on and it was found to be a lawful assembly. And so people went and they did a very, very large peaceful protest and then seemingly for no reason afterwards there were people in the train station going home. They were surrounded by a group of cops in the trait station who

then kettled them all into a corner and blasted them all with mace. And you have to ask yourself what's what prompted this as like this is a good idea this is a thing we should be doing now and it's very hard to imagine any kind of reasonable explanation for this beyond. Well, we're the cops and we kind of want people to know that we're in charge around here. Yeah. Like I cannot think of anything feasible for this other than if they had to just, like, you know, there were people chanting on the train platform and if they had to just left them alone, they would have just just just just just just just th have just th have just th have just th have just th have just th have just th have just th just th just th just th just th just tho just tho just tho just tho just tho just tho tho tho tho tho thoe thoan tho thoe their tho tho tho tho thoea. thoan thoea. thoea. thia. thea. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the train platform, and if they had just left them alone, they would have just gone home after a while. But they couldn't do that. They're at the train station.

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a lot of this stuff. You know, there were people up on top of the glass tram stop things, train station things, and the cops eventually came along and said, hey guys, could you please get down from there, we want people to stay safe, and the protesters went, okay, and they got down. And it seemed like, you know, for all of the sort of public part of this, they quite deliberately avoided antagonizing in a lot of instances. But then this thing of the train station, it's like, yeah, but we got it, we got to get one in, you know, we got to get one for ours. And all they had to do was not do the thing. It was like right at the very end there, they could have just clean slate. And of thi the their their thi thine thi, thine th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th. But, thin, th. But, th. But, th, th. But, th, th, th. But, thin' thin' thin' thin' the, the, the, the, the, the the the an the the an the an the an the an thin, thin, thin, thin, thin,, as we all keep saying, there were a whole bunch of people

down there getting maced, recording the whole thing, posting it all online immediately. As police stood up at the entrance to the tunnel and blocked members of the press from going down there, telling them, quote, there's nothing to report on. Yeah, guys, guys. Guys, guys, guys. If you've seen one train, there's their there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's their their there's there's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's their their their their their their their their thoooooooooooooooooooooooooate.ooooooat. thooooooooooing, the. the. the. their their Don't even bother about it. Guys, guys, guys. If you've seen one train, you've seen them all. So there's literally video, you can go and go and look it up. Police form a barrier at the entrance. So clearly people cannot get out. They also cannot get in. Those people trying to get in are the press. So, clearly, this is a premeditated act, right? If you were saying, well, we're going to block this off so the press can't go and see that, you are premeditating this assault against the people.

So, some of those people were, this lady Jane, who was on, um, I believe she was the one on crutches. You can go and see a photo of her being thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, thed, I believe she was the one on crutches. You can go and see a photo of her being grabbed by the neck by a police officer and of course she is not doing anything. She's on crutches. There are photos of just people just sitting on the ground while a man like leans over a three cop thick barrier of people and just sprays mace indiscriminately on the people sitting down. And again, it's hard to see how they thought that this was not going to be filmed or photographed or seen to be the premeditated assault that it was. I think the thing that becomes clearer and clearer to your average person, I would hope

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unless you gave a reason to it. And the problem with that is one day they're going to make Bitcoin illegal and then they're coming for you, buddy. It's been really interesting talking to like my own family about this as well because you know my parents are like in their 60s. They're both you know very sort of middle-of-the-road people. I would say that my own politics have been very informed by like, listening to them talk about politics growing up and everything and, and like, except, you know, that for them has always kind of existed within the realms of what was on the cards,

like the two-party system and all that sort of stuff, you know, neither of them were ever talking about any kind of like revolutionary type shit, or maybe we should all be communists or anything like that. But just general, general senses of decency and fairness and equality and all that sort of stuff. But to listen to them talkmilitary guy and from like a really, really like straight-laced Christian family with like, I think lots of right-wing people in it on the fringes, just saying like, how can you look at this stuff and think that anything else is happening? But the police just exercising brutality on people to say,

we are the ones who tell you what to do. You know, you just see video after video after video after video. And even to sort of hear them both say like, um, hey, you know, violence and like riding and stuff isn't good, but you also get to a point where it's like, well, what choices are you leaving people? You know? And I suspect looking at like the sheer scale of these protests, that there are a lot of people who are having this moment, who are looking at all of this stuff and saying like, yeah, this doesn't affect me personally in the way that it affects all these other people, but I can see with my own eyes what is happening, you know? Like just, yeah, the scale, the scale and the volume of evidence of the police

antagonizing and instigating and using violence where it wasn't necessary at all. Just has to be overwhelming in terms of, yeah, the number of people who must just look at it and go, like, I, obviously, you know, I feel the way I feel about police, but even I find myself watching these videos of like, people trying to get home from these protests just like walking down the street. And like three cops just walking up to them and all just beating them in the legs as hard as they can with batons.

And I just keep finding myself watching them. I know what the answer to this is. But I keep finding myself watching these and going, what are you doing? Like why? What are you doing? Andrew, but you see, the police have been, have been threatened and disrespected. It's true. People were rude to them, or they have signaled that they may be at one point in the future,

rude to them or they have signaled that they may be at one point in the future rude to them. So for example, the age ran a story where an unnamed senior Victorian government official claimed the protesters planned to spit at officers. They, I saw this headline live myself, which just said, activists have threatened police command with spitting, inflammatory chanting, and other forms of physical abuse. But of course, not inflammatory chanting. But of course they didn't, there's no proof, there's no anything like this. And I'm, I'm really racking my brain as to how that threat went down like hello is this police yeah yeah no no yeah it's me

Antifa just letting you know there I'm gonna be out there and I'm gonna be spitting on you I'm gonna say some very rude things that rhyme it's gonna be a thrown it's gonna be a bit a bit rhythmic, but yeah, very inflammatory. Yeah, but very easy for the crowd to pick up. So, I just feel like... Look out for that. If you're, you know, working for the age, this is one of the more prestigious newspapers in the country, one of, I guess, the big three, right? You would maybe, if you had an anonymous claim from an institution where that claim, publishing that would work in the favor of that institution, you would maybe apply some scrutiny to that, you would think. But instead what they did is

they took that line, they repeated it verbatim, they put it in the headline without, as an absolute, right? The original headline they just said, activists are planning to do this. They didn't say someone from the government has claimed this. They didn't, there was no like wiggle room around whether or not it was true. They just said, this is what it is. First couple of paragraphs outlined that in the same fashion before saying this came from an unnamed source within the Victorian government. And then way down the bottom of the story, they spoke to, I believe, Tarnianus Williams, one of the organizers, who said, yeah, we've got no fucking idea about any of that. That doesn't sound right. They looked at some of the materials they'd been putting out,

which was all of it just telling people to be extremely safe. And yeah, they had the story up. It was put up at like 11.45 the night before, because this was one of the stories that was going in the print edition. So when everyone actually started looking at the news in the morning, you know, seven or eight. Everyone's like, hey, this fucking sucks. Then over the course of the day, they had like a good nine hours of people just being like, what the fuck, this is insane. They kept changing the headline around. At one point, they just put the exact same claim, put scare quotes around it to sort

of imply that it was coming from, then eventually they've where that claim was coming from, then eventually they put up a clarification saying that, you know, this falls short of their standards, blah blah blah, they acknowledged that it was backed up, wasn't backed up beyond one unnamed senior government source. The story put undue evidence, emphasis on these claims. The organizers said they had no knowledge of this, they apologized by blah, blah. So look, that's basically ineffective, largely because no one read stories past the headline. Like one in a hundred people actually click on things, so it's already out there. People will have shared it and read it well before this clarification would have got up.

The clarification's buried at the bottom. It's also like swamped by ads and links to other stories, so kind of hard to get to. And further than that, all of the other sort of parasite media companies that just rip the stories from, you know, actually funded journalism institutions, had already ripped it off, had already published it. The Daily Mail took it, their headline for the story was Black Lives Matter protesters in Melbourne

threatened to attack and spit on cops as 18,000 people are expected to march on the city. They obviously didn't put a clarification in, didn't change the story. They didn't provide any more evidence than the age because they literally just took what the age said and copied it. And also they have a much bigger reach on Facebook, and I think they generally tend to get higher in the Nielsen ratings as well as an outlet just because they're racist tratch and people love that shit. So this idea that they've put out there, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, the, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi theeeei thi thei thi theei thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, th that shit. So this idea that they've put out there, they have just basically given the cops sanction for violence before anything has even started and it's just going everywhere like that because

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because they are traitors to America and blah blah blah. And a lot of people understand we said, why the fuck are you publishing like a call to violence from the government on peaceful protesters? And you know, first it was the standard, hey, you got to hear both sides. If you want, like, if you, if you want to, you know, beat a bad idea, you must air th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha tha tha tha that the the the the thaters, the the the the the the the the the t the t the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thra. tra. tra.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. tra.a.a. tra.a. tra. tra. tra. their their their their the standard, hey, you got to hear both sides, if you want to, if you want to, you know, beat a bad idea, you must air that bad idea and then argue against it despite the fact that there was no counter-argument to it put forward. And then as the pressure stayed on, it eventually came out that it was like, yeah, the

op-ed editor didn't actually read that before it got published. Vaciferously defended it, when people started criticizing it, still having not read it. He had put a lot of energy into defending it, but did not put any, like, yeah, they finally came back around and were like, oh, it turns out nobody read it. And the additional thing was, it turned out that they pitched Tom Cotton on writing the opinion piece. Which, yeah, because he'd originally come to them with something else and they were like, oh, you could defend the use of the military against protesters. He was like, yeah, I'm sick and that's, why not, why not have a go with that? And I think that that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, they, they, their, their, their, they they they they they they they they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, toooooooooooooooo. And, te. And, te. And, te. And, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, th and I think that that's this this stuff should be very interesting to

people who rely on the press so much as this idea of you know a fourth estate that is looking out for everybody's best interests and transparency in democracy and all that sort of stuff when you actually hear the process that goes into something like that getting into like the paper of record in America and the answer is that some guy who used that getting into like the paper of record in America and the answer is that some guy who used to work for like whatever it is you know the national weekly or the federalist or some shit was an intern and just said hey this looks pretty cool and put it in the opinion page. It's sick like there's

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It's all going on. It's all going on out there in the streets. We hope that everybody who is out there showing solidarity and going to protest is staying very safe. It is a bit of a dangerous, scary time. And that's we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would we would the the th. We would th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. that, that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, that, that, the the is staying very safe. It is a bit of a dangerous, scary time. And that's why we would like to finish on something slightly, slightly calmer, you know, just to soothe everybody a little bit. And that's an installation of Nature Corner.

Country Roads, take me home to the place. I belong, Bulton Hester, Nature Corner, Rubbercraft, sniffed my dear. Nature called a baby? What do you got for us this week, man? Did you do another core? Yeah, okay, just checking, because I thought maybe I had not heard the secondary coring in the end of that until this point, but... Me too. I was also the process. I was going through.

Beautiful. What I've got for us here is a press release from the University of Nottingham, or Nottingham. Not quite sure. This is the headline. Two lefties make a right. If you're a one a million garden snail. And maybe I am. You aren't. You're a common garden variety garden snail. And maybe I am. You aren't. You're a common garden variety of garden snail.

I've included this because I think this is just very nice. And also we're using the six o'clock news model of just like 27 minutes of nightmares. Three minutes of joy. That squirrel could water ski. A global campaign to help find a mate for a left-coiling snail called Jeremy has enabled scientists to understand how mirror image garden snails are formed. First off, Jeremy. Fantastic name for a snail.

That's true. Just giving like any sort of animal a regular sort of man's name, very, very funny to me. You know, I respect the people that give their pets a fun sort of pun kind of name or a nonsense name, but to me giving them a name of an adult human, very, very funny. Makes me think of my favorite joke, Ben. I would love to hear it, Andrew The grasshopper hops into a bar and he hops up onto the stool and the bartender says, hey we got a drink named after you and he goes, what, Kevin? Thank you. It's a great joke. The findings published today in the journal Biology Letters

Show that the rare left spiraling shell of some garden snails is usually a development accident rather than an inherited condition. In October 2016, evolutionary geneticist Dr. Angus Davison and the University of Nottingham's School of Life Sciences appealed to the public for their help in matchmaking for Jeremy a garden snail with a rare left-coiling shell. Dr. Davison hoped to use the offspring from Jeremy to study the genetics of this condition because his previous work on snails had given insight into understanding body asymmetry in other animals including humans. But another left coiling snail had to be found first. As well as a mirror image shell, Jeremy had genitals on the opposite side,

making it very difficult for the snail's to mate with normal snails. Finally, some representation. I didn't know that there was chirality to snail genitals. You could have like dick-handedness. Wild. Just I don't know where the genitals on a snail sit and I'm not going to find out. Well I actually started off left-dicked but my teachers hit it with a ruler enough but that I swapped. Oh, boy. The science to unravel this mystery was made possible by the involvement of the general public

in finding mate for Jeremy. Initially via an appeal put out on BBC Radio 4's today program and then the wider media using hashtag snail love. Jeremy became a global sensation and internet shell-ebrity. Shell ebrity. More than 1,000 news radio, television and science articles including the BBC and New York Times highlighted the plight of the love-lawn snail. A graphic novel featuring the snail is now in development. It's already been optioned by Marvel Studios.

By bringing together a worldwide group of citizen scientists and the snails that they had found, Dr. Davison used the publicity to understand what makes an exceptional reverse-coiled snail such as Jeremy. Although more than 40 lefty snails were found by citizen scientists, sorry, all together, more than 40 lefty snails were found by citizen scientists in the wild and from snail farms. Do you know those existed? Davison and the citizen scientists bred the lefty snails together to test whether their occurrence was due to an inherited condition.

Over three years, nearly 15,000 eggs were hatched from four generations for snails, including Jeremy. Initially Jeremy had been left shell-shocked after being given the cold shoulder by two suitors who seemed to prefer each other. Ha! Nice. You got cocked! Then, shortly before Jeremy's death, one mate produced a batch of 56 babies, about one-third of which were likely to be fathered by Jeremy. The new evidence shows that rare lefty garden stales are not usually produced due to inherited

condition, instead they are mainly produced by a developmental accident. This finding has relevance to understanding the common factors that define animal asymmetry, including humans and the origin of rare reversed individuals in other animal groups. Dr. Davison said, after a long search for a mate and several mishaps along the way, Jeremy finally produced offspring, which delighted me, and the rest of the world. This guy loves it when snails, fuck. We were then able to use Jeremy's offspring and the offspring from other lefties to discover how these mirror-imageed individuals are produced. Our findings showed that it is usually a developmental accent rather than an inherited condition

that makes a lefty garden snail. We helped solve one of nature's puzzles which was very satisfying. There's also a happy ending for Jeremy, a few of them actually, in fighting love and producing offspring of their dying. None of this would have been possible without the public's help. We have learned that two lefties usually make a right, at least if you're a garden snail. In other snails, being a lefty is an inherited condition, but we still don't really know how they do it. If we were able to find out then this may help us understand how the right and left of other animal bodies are defined, including ourselves. You could say that we that we the th recreate what made Jeremy different, but this was not possible. Jeremy was special. Is that nice? This guy was just living his life, sliming up a garden somewhere, and then every person in the

UK dropped tools to find some other snails to fuck him. We've got to start rubbing some snails together. This is the dream. Imagine that you're just living your life. They're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th we we th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thjjjjjjjjjjjjjom, th. Jeremy, th. Jeremy, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Jeremy, th. Jeremy, th. Jeremy, th. Jeremy th. Jeremy th. Jeremy thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. Jeremy, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii start rubbing some snails together. This is the dream. Imagine that you're just living your life, and they're like, hey, we've just put a call out. We're gonna try and find some people to have sex with you. Oh, oh, oh, that's it. So you stay here. That's pretty sweet. And then at some point, they're the they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they., they., they., they're they're they., they., they're they., they're they're th., thing., thing., they're just thing., you're just the you're just that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're the the the the their. their. their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th it my turn? I'm trying to think

what the human equivalent of this is maybe like having someone knock at you door and be like, we just found 40 people that like Babylon 5 as much as you. Congratulations. We want to study what makes people like watching Babylon 5. on five. Oh dear. I think, I reckon that does us for this week. So if you are out there in the protests, please stay safe, look after yourself, look after each other. Apparently don't use water in your eyes if you get pep spray in them. What should you use? Follow Friend of the show, Eliza, on Twitter. That's three Liza for a very in-depth discussion of the show Eliza on Twitter, that's 3LISA for a very in-depth discussion

of this. I saw that thread, I was reading a lot of scientific papers there. Saline solution might be one of the best things to do, to just put that in your eyes and then blink a whole lot, try and get it out of there. But yeah, ideally you don't get pepper sprayed, but if that is what needs to happen in the course of bringing justice to the world, then I guess some people are getting pepper sprayed. I mean, a lot of people are already getting pepper sprayed. And I hope they're all okay. So if you would like some extra episodes of

the show, either catch them on this feed, or head on over to Patreon.com slash Punta Vista. You can get some bonus content, support the show, all that kind of thing. Or you could give that money to a bail fund instead, you know? I think that's a great idea. Probably do that. Do the latter. Give some money to sisters, you know. is inside. You know? That's also a great idea. Yes, if you're in Australia. So that's it

for us. Everybody look after yourselves, look after each other, and we will talk to you soon. Bye-bye. Bye. S-Di it because