Boonta Vista - EPISODE 16: Last Stop, Australia! (Featuring @bydownes)

Episode Date: September 13, 2017

This week we see the return of Ben from Oregon's wilderness and we're joined by film critic Danny Bowes to discuss Australian cinema, watching Mad Max with leather queens as a 5 year old and day drinking with children during screenings of Adventure Time. You can find Danny on Twitter at http://twitter.com/bybowes You can subscribe on Patreon for exclusive bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Don't forget to rate & subscribe on iTunes if that's your thing. _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: http://pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Punta Vista Socialist Club episode 16. I'm your hungover friend Andrew. And with me we have, for the first time in a while, Ben, Ben is back. Uh, I'm your hungover friend Andrew. And with me we have have for the first time in a while. Ben is back. Hello I'm back online. I'm on the internet again for a day. He's back. Back to post just momentarily. We have the ever present, ever present, ever vigilant Theo. And our special guest all the way from the country that Ben is also in, in the States.

I didn't get that. Why don't you say it all the way from where I am? Look, we can get to talking about where you are, the strange wilderness that you've been in it. Yeah, you're burying the lead, man. Yeah. Yeah, the film critic Danny Bowes. How are you, Danny? Hello all. Hello. Welcome to Cyber Australia. Yes. The closest that I have ever been, sadly. Yes. I think legally we're on Australian Internet right now. That's how it works. All the ones are zeros and all the zeros are ones. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Such a dumbest. That took me like two seconds to be like, oh wow, that was a good joke. That's the problem. The geographic distance means that I'm going to be like two seconds late getting every joke. So, you know, it's just to be prepared for a little bit of awkward dumbassery. That's also my excuse.

Yes. Yes. So Ben's been on the road in the States traveling around in his old-timey van. In the most Jack Kerouac sense of the phrase. Yes, very much extremely on the road, offline and on the road. Where are you currently? I'm in beautiful Portland, Oregon. Oh. It's nice. It's nice. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, to be to be to be. Yes. Yes. to be to be. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's to. It's to. It's to. It's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to be to be the road. Where are you currently? I'm in beautiful Portland, Oregon. It's it's nice. It is not hugely dissimilar to Portlandia and not hugely similar to Portlandia. It's just sort of somewhere somewhere in the middle.

Hmm. Are you um I understand you are planning to attend an alt-right rally shortly? I don't know if I'd phrase it in those exact words. I will be... Oh, sorry, you're excited about going to an alt-right rally. You're doing some organizing. I don't know if any of these are the words that I would use. I will certainly be near an alt-right rally tomorrow. Two rallies. There's some weird shit where where the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their rallies, there's some weird shit where the organiser

is to like attempting to divert a counter-protest attention by himself attending like a solitary rally over the border in like next to the river in northern Portland, but having everyone else show up to another rally in Vancouver, Washington just over the river. So I'm going to both. And it's expected that a lot of counter-protesters are going to show up and it's going to get pretty wild. So that'll be fun. Yeah. That seems very confluid. It's very confusing. There's like a lot of different groups on both sides are rocking up and I barely understand what any of them are. So I'm just going to be walking around and then taking photos of people hopefully beating

each other up and then, I don't know, seeing what happens. Writing an article about it. Yeah, I think pedestrian is going to give me money to do that, but we'll find out. Wow, I can't believe they're going to pay you to be racist now. Yeah, finally, that's what I've been pushing for ever since I started. I thought that's what they hired me for, but finally they're monetizing my extreme racism. It's the only growth industry left. Yeah, well, I got in on the ground floor, so it's taken off. So, we thought we would have Danny on today to talk about a bit of, a bit of Australian cinema.

Yes. We all, we all had a look at some, well, Ben didn't have a look at anything because he was on Jack Carowax. He's living Levita Loka. I do not have movies then. I've th th the th the th th the th the th th the th th the only th th the only th th th th the only th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thus thus thus thus thi thoes thus thi thi thi thi. thi. tho' tho' tho' tho' thoom. thoes tho. thus. thus. thus. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's tho. It's tho. It's tho. It's tho. It's tho. It's thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo' the? I've been reading these things called Bukes. I believe it's pronounced. Film is beyond my capacity at the moment. You've just been reading the covers of VHS tapes that you've been buying. Yeah, they haven't actually kept me going for a little while at the moment. There's a lot of content. There are a lot of blurbs. A lot of the the the the the the the titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles titles. Those their. Those their. Those. Those. Those. Those. Those. Those. Those. Those. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. shell VHS tapes. Yeah, because the yanks apparently didn't have a lot of the, you know how we had the big chunky plastic ones.

Yeah, nearly all of theirs are just the thin cardboard covers. I don't know why that is. Oh, just the sleeves. Yeah, just the little ones where it's the, you know, it's just a little thin box. So they're about the size and shape of the tape itself, as opposed to our ones, which the plastic covers made them three times as big as the tape. We used to have a lot of those in the 80s, you know, but they went over to the cardboard, I guess they cost less.... th. th. th is a very American thing, you know, doing the cheapest most bullshit way imaginable. And God bless them for it. Well, yeah, I mean, it does, they do take up a lot less space on the bookshelf, because I mean, the big plastic ones, I think Disney still put those out after a while.

So like, I have a copy of Babe on VHS that's like the size of a fucking dictionary. And then like, the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the the the the the the the the the their their their their that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's like the size of a fucking dictionary. And then like the rest of the VHS tapes are like normal size. I'm really glad that 50% of this podcast have a collection of VHS tapes because now I feel like less than an idiot. I'm going to offer my opinion that I am mortified by VHS and cannot watch it. Like. Well, you're all about that high-deaf. You love those high-deaf pixels. When I met my wife, she was living in a sharehouse where they just had a,

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Yeah, just make it worse somehow. That's going to... Yeah, it was a really weird decision. And they're not unwatchable. I watch them all the fucking time because I have the TV at the foot of my bed and I watch them like Predator before I go to sleep most nights of the week. Yes, very normal. Yeah, very normal stuff. I have normal hobbies and habits that a normal person does. Well I even feel like now when I think of like like how I used to watch DVDs because it like just because it's so easy to watch streaming

stuff now when I think of how I used to like, yeah, fall asleep most nights watching something like a DVD of Future Armour or something like that. And so every night at some stage of the night at like, you know, 2 or 3 a.m. I would wake up to the like beeping and bleeping that was on the menu screen of the DVD that would just play play on like a 15-second loop. Yeah. You would wake up feeling like you were being slowly driven insane by just this small repeating loop of audio over and over again. And now I think to myself what a savage, what a savage I was. The Futurama box sets have like the menu loop is

relatively long because it'll have like like season four was like like Zapp Brennan just saying things like every 30 seconds but there was only like four of those they just get like drilled in your skull I had a very similar experience falling asleep watching a lot of Futurama. That would have been an interesting time for content in terms of like yeah there would have been you know whole parts of studios that just sat around going, well, what can we, what can we make this menu screen do? What DVD Easter eggs can we put in this box set? It's a different time.

Very unnecessary. Different world. Mmm. The world of about 10 years ago. Well, I don't know, I find, I feel like I've now sort of come full circle on how I used to get movies, which was by, you know, going and renting a very tall pile of VHS and taking it home with me for like 10 bucks or whatever, for a week. And yeah, and then for ages there it was it was easier to like download a movie than it was to actually go and get a copy of it. I don't know what the

prices of just like buying a DVD would have been Danny in the states in like the 2000s. They were generally around like 19 or bucks, I think a lot of them. I might be thinking a little bit farther back. That sounds pretty similar. They were really expensive. And then Blu-rays came out, and then that was what Blu-rays cost, and then, like, standard DVDs, you can get them for like, four or five bucks now. Yeah, well, that sounds pretty similar in in that like

Is that a cookburbera? Getting the real Australian experience. Wow, that is a very Australian touch to a podcast. But yeah like a yeah, I think it was very similar here in that, you know, just to buy a movie, a newish DVD or a CD was like 30 bucks. Yeah. And I'm sure we all knew heaps of people who would like get their paycheck and just go and buy like three movies. Go get three DVDs, go and get their Lord of the Rings box set or whatever. I only ever bought stuff out of like the $10 bins, yeah, which was great because like all the movies I was into were the ones that would get marked down so it kind of worked out all right.

So for a long time, you know, it actually was easier to just pirate a movie than it was to say, do I actually want to pay 30 bucks for this copy of whatever? Yeah, especially because like if you wanted something and it was on Amazon, you just couldn't get it because it wouldn't be region four. And so we were kind of behold into that whole, like physical media politicking that just stopped Australia from getting so much for no good reason. We just end up being, can't buy this, sorry. Danny, have you ever heard of the Australia tax? I have, and the only experience that I have that I guess is like remotely similar is like when I was looking for a copy of Truffo's such a gorgeous kid like me, which was not available in America,

but it was available in a European edition. And so it was like, I was, you know, like, oh, do I, you know, like, spend $45 on the European DVD and then get like a region-free blue red DVD player and I was like, that's insane. I never do that. But yeah, I mean, like, whenever I hear you talk about like, that happening in Australia, it's just sort of like, I mean, that, like, how the fuck did that happen? Was it like, politicians being assholes or was it just like? No, they just didn't care, I don't think.

I mean, because businesses could put these things in place and there was no law against doing it, you know, even though I think we have pretty, you know, some pretty decent like anti-comperative stuff here in Australia, it's still not covered. And they just kept doing it. And no one was stopping them. So. It is. They have made laws about it now, right?

You can't put region locking into DVD players anymore in Australia? Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't think anyone tends to buy them anymore. I think it kind of initially started in Australia as being that due to our physical location, we were genuinely like kind of the last, the last leg of the supply train. So when everybody was, genuinely like kind of the last the last leg of the supply train so when everybody was was by the physical trues for everything an old supply train to toot the train full of DVDs that goes around all of the

countries in the world finishes in Australia this old timing man leans out the side of the train last stop Australia that's it was a little whistle and just one stop for the entirety of Australia not multiple stops yeah yeah exactly in the middle where we all rush there to get our copies of daddy daycare or whatever the one blockbuster in Alice Springs I'm glad you guys you guys are familiar with the train yeah yeah so that was the excuse for a long time was that like you know we were kind of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. their. their. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. their. te. toy. toy. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the the the the the the t. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. tel. te. te. te. tethe train. We know about the train, yeah. Yeah, so that was the excuse for a long time, was that like, you know, we were kind of the last stop on the big train. But where it kind of came undone was when everybody started to get like high-speed internet and everything and a lot of places started doing digital distribution of movies and software licenses and things like that.

And the prices just kind of stayed the same. Like, you could buy a video game through the Xbox store or like on Xbox Live or the PlayStation network or something like that. Yet for some reason, it still cost like 40% more to buy it and just download it to your hard drive than it did if you were in America? Yeah, and on Steam they can choose which currency to put it in or at least they used to be able to. So what you would get is when the Australian dollar is at 50 or 60 cents or whatever, they would advertise it at US prices and so you'd end up paying a shitload of money. And then when the Australian dollar was strong, thiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, and it tho, and it tho, and it thi, and it th. And, and it th. And, and it th. And, and it th. And, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it th. And, and it th. And, and it th. And, and it's, and it's, and it's, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theeeat, theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, thi. And, and thi. And, and it's thi, and shit load of money And then when the Australian dollar was strong they go oh well we're localizing our prices now and they'd be in Australian dollars and then you pay a shit load of money

And just whatever works out best for them sucks You all have been unjustly fucked. Yep. Mm-hmm victims victims of anti-Australian racism once again. Yes. But, yeah, I feel like I've come full circle now in that there's been a few times recently where I've wanted to watch a movie like one of the films that we checked out for our conversation with Danny today. And it was an Australian movie, Mystery Road from 2013, and it's not the kind of thing that would be, I would assume it's not the kind of thing that would be I would assume is not the kind of thing that would be super prominent on torrent sites and that sort of stuff the Australian government's like blocked a bunch of torrent sites now but yeah compared to now the effort to actually go and

pirate a movie versus having like a smart TV with the Google Play Store on it and I just go Hey, here's this movie I'm thinking of and it says you can rent that right now for four bucks And it's it's just like going to a video store except I don't have to physically move at all Yeah, and I think this kind of like points out how bullshit I don't know if you know Danny but like Australians maligned as being like some of the worst pirates in the kind of first world nations and when they say that they usually mean Game of Thrones where Australian audiences are held

hostage to the exclusive deal that HBO has with FoxTel who has a long and storied history of being very anti-competitive in Australia and they kind of go, well if you don't, if you want to watch it you just got to sign up for this $30 plan and then pay for the $30 bonus plan on top and then you know all this stuff this stuff on top and then you have what Andrews talking about where you can just go online on you know I did it on PlayStation Network and it costs like $3 to hire this movie and that's all people want that's all anyone wants in Australia is to say hey we don't want to sign up for your bullshit for you know a year's worth of cable TV to watch this one show we just want to to their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. I I I I. their. I. I. I. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th is just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just to to to to to to to to to thi. to thi. to thi. to thi. thi. to thi. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi. thi's thi. thi. thi. to watch this one show, we just want you to sell it to us. And that's the solution for piracy in Australia.

We just want to pay our money and move on. That was always the thing with piracy was that like, you know, there were a lot of people who are pirating shit and it weren't necessarily like, you know, philosophically committed to, you know, like, you're too cheap to to see other ones. So it's like I just make it simple. I'll give you like a a reasonable amount of money. Just stop fucking me over this. You know, and it's like I mean, and that's what I'm glad because I mean, you know, I'll admit it. You know, like I used to pirate stuff, because I couldn't get it, you know, by other means and I was dead broke, you know, or it's like it'd be the end of the year and I'd have to put together like my best of the year list or whatever, you know, like, for some column. And there would be like eight movies that I had no access to that hadn't been, you know, like released for me to see it yet.

And I would have to go tour at them because like I wasn't able to give somebody, you know, 10 bucks to watch them or you know like four or five dollars to rent them. Oh we still have that as well. Like in a big way where movies take like three months to come out in Australia and they've been literally everywhere else in the world. Yeah, which is absurd. I mean, it's like it's getting to the board. It's like you got to release everything in the world on the same day. Otherwise it's like the other the maintaining the the the the the the the the the the the maintaining the maintaining the maintaining the maintaining the maintaining the maintaining the maintaining the maintaining the maintaining the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. It's. things. things. things. It's th. It's to to to to to to to to to to th. It's, to to th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. te. te. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. tha. t. the maintaining things the way that they have been is just like artificial and archaic. Yep. Mm. Yeah. I've noticed a few, I feel like I've seen a few, my local cinemas starting to do things that are a bit different to try and deal with that sort of stuff. Like, um, like places are starting to do that kind of, you know, closing the window between theatrical release and streaming and stuff like that, like just releasing them both at the same time because it's like people say, there are just people

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I was really excited on that. It was like a film print and everything, except me and a friend that went, had had like a couple of glasses of wine before he went in and then we're like, oh, we may as all get the biggest, the biggest cup you can get because we're going to be in there for a while. And then I drank the whole things th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the they were, like, like, like, their, their, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the biggest cup you can get because we're going to be in there for a while. And then I drank the whole thing in the first like 10 minutes and then like part way through the sequence when they're landing on the planet. I just realized I was about to throw up, stood up, throw up at the lobby and then left and went home. Terrible. Yeah, it was a great cinematic experience. I do like like like like like like like that that that that th like th like th. I like th. I like th. I like th. I like th. I th. th. th. th. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho that. the that, tho. tho. the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was all. I was th. I was all. I was th. I was all. I was all. I was all. I was all. I was all. That's. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's part. It's part. It's. It's part. It's part. It's part th. It's part th. It's part th. It's part. It's part. great cinematic experience. I do like that they will let you, um, that's some of those cinemas, like the gold class

ones, they will let you go in and say like, okay, I want a beer now and then 20 minutes in, bring me another beer, and then 40 minutes in, bring me another beer. You can like stage all of you drinking and they'll come and bring it to your seat at a particular time. I like that. Which is nice if you're looking to pace yourself a bit more you know I'm not you can get into that kind of thing. So let us change subjects slightly and ask Denny, do you have any favorite Australian cinema? Well I mean over the years I have racked up quite a number of favorite Australian films. The first one that I ever saw was when I was about, I guess like five years old, my dad took me to see the Road Warrior, Mad Max 2.

I had not seen the first one, because I was a baby when the first one came out. And it was, for some reason he thought, oh, this will be a good idea, I can take him to see this piece. Well, because I mean, I was fairly precocious and like I could handle violence and all of that, but you know, still it was borderline questionable decision. So he took me to this sort of, you know, not the most upscale movie theater around in Brooklyn, New York. And around the time in the movie when the, like the, was it, the, the feral kid kills the guy with the metal boomerang. And his, uh, and his, and his, and his top is all scandalized. And these leather queens, like a couple rows behind us,

were like, oh no, you've done it now. And my dad like, suddenly fuctin realized he was like, everybody else in this movie theater except for me and my five-year-old son are a bunch of drunk leather queens. You know, so that made the experience, like really, you know, it's like, you know, you know, trauilet, like, you know, and all the other grown-ups in this place are really enjoying this movie, and they were all the triped............. I the other, the experience, th other, th other, th other, th. I, th. I, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, that, thi, thi, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so....................... So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th. that, you, you. th. that, you. that, you. that, you, you, you, that, you, you, that, you, that, that, you, that, that, that,year-old kid here, what the, you know. And, you know, so that, you know, that got my relationship with Australian

cinema off to a nice, you know, fortuitous start, I would say. And, yes, I mean, I love the Mad Max series. Always really, um, really, uh, Peter Weir, guys just rules. And I'm like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you, you, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, so, so, that, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, Peter Weir, uh, the guy's just, guy's just rules. And I'm like, well, you know, he's, you know, he's, you know, he's, you know, you know, he's, you know, he's, you know, he's, you know, the, you know, the, the guy's just the fucking ace, you know, and, um Campion forgetting that she was you know originally from New Zealand which was a it's okay we'll take credit my part yeah well yeah if you're gonna claim Jane Campion then you know it's like then she's you know I mean what more can you say I even like in the cut you know that's how deep I go with you oh I mean I remember I remember seeing that one of the the uh at the cinema and being pretty the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the you. I remember I remember seeing that one of the the at the cinema and being pretty non-plussed. Yeah I remember like like for most of the movie being sort of like up and down a business does this sucker is this really great and you know and I think it's both in in in some ways because I mean there are there bits about that movie that are not good, but they're also like,

I mean, it was, you know, as Ned Ryan, as you've never seen it before, you know, I guess, like for archival purposes is essential. But I mean, yeah, I mean, there's, there was something, there was a, there was a movie that I had proposed to watch for this, but then I realized that it was totally out of print in America and I guess, in Australia as well. It was a movie from 1997 called Kiss or Kill. There, I remember seeing, got like a limited art house release in America. And it was this really great, like, you know, it's a very low budget, sort of neo-noir type picture about like, you know, that's a misunderstanding involving like a very compromising blackmail tape and these people are all like killing

each other over it. And it was a, yeah, I had never seen or heard of this movie. It was a little fucking crime picture, but yeah, it was just like totally out of print everywhere. And I was like, made the joke, it's like, oh yeah, like looking for an Australian movie and I found one that was so Australian that it's out of print in America. But, um, and then there was a documentary he came came out here a few years about like the history of like Australian Grind House movies. What was it? God now I don't even remember what the fucking thing is long.

Oh, I... It's right on the tip of my tongue also. Yeah, but it was, yeah, it was like all about like the, um, like low budget, you know, sex exploitation movies in the 70s and then about like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, about like the, um, like low budget, like, you know, sex exploitation movies in the 70s and then, uh, about like a half hour and it's like, and then George Miller happened and everything changed forever, you know. Um, is it, uh, is it not quite Hollywood, the wild, not quite hollivation. There you go, yeah. And that was, that was a fun picture to watch because it was like, because I'd heard of a number of the things mentioned in it, you know, it's like, when they touched, you know, very briefly on, you know, like, the arts and they're like,

let's get back to the fun grind out stuff. So, I mean, it's like, thrown, they Australian cinema but I always you know every so often I'm just like oh let me pop one of these in oh this is fucking great you know and so yeah just basically been the the nature of the relationship to Australian cinema is just like oh yeah that's good shit every Every once in a while. Look, as long as you truly appreciate our contributions to the world of art in the form of films like, uh, 1987's Howling 3 The Marsupials. Or BMX Bandits, that is very good.

Oh, BMX Bandits, yeah, well, it, that's one of those that's like historically important. Yes, yes, for Nicole Kidmans. Nicole Kidman's Canon. Although Nicole Kidman's from Hawaii. Yeah. That go, folks. Not even Australian. Huh.

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So yeah, we just had this absolutely ridiculous like Two-month-long string of just person after person going. Oh, um turns out I'm actually also a citizen of the UK and I need to look into that and so yeah all of these all of it like like it's like like, like it's like it's like, like, like it's like it's like, like, like it's like it's like, like, t, t, t, t, t, t, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, um, turns out I'm actually also a citizen of the UK and I need to look into that. So yeah, all of these, all of it, like, it's very much in danger of bringing down the current government. Because they have a small enough majority that if they lose, like if the High Court declares, I don't know, like three of the people that are dual citizens to have been ineligible to stand for election at the time that they did, then they might just have to not have a government anymore. Which would be good because they suck, they suck ass.

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That's literally the people in Florida are going through right now. I mean, yeah, this is not like, this is not like, this is the th, th, th, th, just fucking ugh. That's, that's my trenchy of political commentary at the moment is, uh, fucking. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, yeah, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this commentary at the moment is, ugh, fuck. Yeah, it's like, it's not good. It's not good. It's not great. It's bad. It's bad. Politics, once again, folks, politics is bad. Very trick.

Well, coming back to, umto coming back to Guy Pierce who it turns out at the age of 16 was a competitive amateur bodybuilder who won the title of Junior Mr. Victoria. There you go. There you go all fancy stuff. Yeah but one of the movies that we did talk about before your appearance on the show Danny was Was the Rover starring Guy Pierce from 2014 Which was um which I liked I thought that was a good little good little post-apocalyptic? Outback movie somewhat in the Mad Max tradition And a bit of bit of Robert Pattinson as well playing against his sparkling vampire type.

I like Robert Pattinson. I give him the time of date. And he's been working so hard to just like thoroughly shove that old image into the closet that he's been doing some like very interesting character work in in movies the few years and I really liked his performance in the rover. I didn't think that it necessarily fit with the rhythm or the like tenor or tone of the rest of the movie, but it was one of those things where it's like I admired him for trying stuff. I mean, like, I think I probably liked a little bit. Because I was frustrated by it, because there were like things that I really

liked in it and things that were certain. The thing, the main thing that that fucked with me in that movie was that I didn't feel like it was necessary to withhold the information about who Guy Pierce was and why he was the way he was until So late in the movie like I feel like It wouldn't have hurt it. It wouldn't have heard anything to know who he was because you don't know anything about him except these guy Pierce riding around fucking shit up for like most of the movie and then you realize it's like, oh, yeah, he's like a reasonable guy with like, there's a real reason why he's this pissed off at everybody. But, and I don't feel like it would have harmed the movie any to just know that at the beginning. And it was part of a trend in a lot of movies, particularly American independent movies.

This is a fucking plague around like 2013, 2014, was just movies where it was assumed that the protagonist being this like, you know, opaque, you know, like taciturn, you know, just angry man was inherently fascinating, when it really wasn't, and every single fucking movie was waiting until the third act to like introduce the protagonist when he'd been moping through the entire movie to that point. And I mean, there was so much that was so good about the rover, like, the atmosphere was great.

Michelle was filling the screen just so gorgeously with like these wonderful like desert beak, dry, hot images and there are these like great you know great character work going on in the cast and everything and Guy Pierce despite the fact that he's being crippled by a poorly written character is still fucking rules because he's Guy Pierce and then but but it was like the movie was crippling itself by not letting it by not like you know Being a fulsome thing Until about 20 minutes to the end of the movie which it mean it was more frustrating than anything else I don't mean that you know like Sorry babbling like this you like the like shitting on your enjoyment of the movies that are doing that, but it was just that was the thing that movie in particular like still you know like three years later I'm just like why couldn't they have just fucking

Ah yeah, it's like it's like the first hour kind of just feels nasty because of it. Yeah Like he's just gone around fucking shit up, but it's not in like a survival sort of way like he just shoots someone in like he just sown in cold blood because he wouldn't give him a gun and it's like oh, that's that's like, the the the the the the the he. he. he. he's like, he. he's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's gun and it's like oh that's that's just not a very nice thing to do. The world he's living in. And I feel like that kind of nastiness kind of was in Animal Kingdom as well which was the same same writer and director and I think Animal Kingdom was a great movie but it did share that same sort of nastiness and high body count and that kind of thing. Well it did do that, but it didn't do the thing of withholding the whole, because I mean, because that was the thing about Animal Kingdom was that you knew what was going on from the top of the movie. Like, you know, you knew what the score was. But that was the thing in the rover.

You were like, is this supposed to be horrifying? Like, thrumpy, you know, like, because I mean, you know, movies shouldn't have to, like, you know, tell the audience I don't watch them, you know, necessarily, but just like, you just like, because we didn't even know who he was. Well, he's a man that had his, uh, had his Commodore stolen. He's fucking mad as a cut snake about it Which is the most Australian plot device I think I can I can actually think of Yes, I've a little what did what did you say about it while you were watching it the other that it was like the shortest time to Commodore rating of all the the TTC score? We'll get to um. I think we're going to talk about Mystery Road a bit more as well but it you know it has a time to Commodore score of about two minutes right which is pretty good like that's a pretty good

TTC but this one literally starts with the camera looking out of the window of a Commodore and to me they couldn't have got the details more right. As far as a post-apocalyptic movie set in Australia, a dust-stained but still well-maintained Commodore is the absolute peak Australia. Out of curiosity because I've not seen the film because I haven't you? Well the model Commodore is it?, haven't you? Wilderness no what model Commodore is it? Oh, fuck now you're gonna. I don't know. You gotta do this to me? I would like do roughly what year if that if that helps.

Oh, like 2014-ish I'll select the around the VE. I don't know. Who knows? Jesus. Well, the movies from 2014, but who knows? Who knows what year the Commodore could be from? This is really disappointing for me. I've been really let down. I just thought you guys would know. I can clarify this for you. As seen in the film The Rover, it is a 2011 Holden Commodore SSV Red Line Series 2. VE. I called it. VE. Yes. Bam. Not even seen the movie. Unbelievable. You guys aren't even real Australians. Picked it like a dirty nose. It's true. I would never use that expression. It is, it is in fact a very similar model of Commodore to the one driven by the lead character in

2013's Mystery Road. Hmm. So did you get a chance to check that one out, Denny? Oh yeah, I watched earlier today. And I have thoughts. So yes, Mystery Road is a 2013, kind of like a neo-Western set in the outback in which an indigenous detective comes back to the town that he used to live and work in. And he's investigating the death of a young girl that gets found in like a culvert under a highway. And it's by, directed by Ivan Sen, who I believe, who I believe, I believe, and I, I believe, and I believe, and I, I, and the, and the, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and, and, and, gets found in like a culvert under a highway. And it's by, directed by Ivan Sen, who I believe has done a number of other quite interesting

like neo-nuier Australian kind of films. Yeah, it's a very, very similar to the rover in terms of just that desolate outback, and real sense of isolation and alienation I think. The two of them. But yeah, what were your thoughts on that day? I mean, it was one of those things where it's like, I didn't quite know what to make of it for a while. Like I was so, you know, it's just sort of sitting there and I was like, all right, let me just let this unfold for a bit more and, you know, like,

you know, get a sense of it, get a beat on it, you know, like after a bit. And it wasn't really until, uh, very near the end with the climactic confrontation between the detective and the rather mysterious antagonists in it. That final climax, the way that it was just like put together with, with, um, just, I mean, like, with guys with sniper rifles, like, you know, firing off a shot, and then with the editing being such that it's like, you don't, you know, the bullet doesn't land until a second later because they're so far apart. And suddenly that itself made me realize that a lot of the things about like

the spariness and distance of the way that the shots were being composed early on and the way that it was being cut together. It was about the detective the detective the detective the detective the detective the detective the detective the detective the detective the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. the. theck. thiol. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. But. But. But, the. But. But, the. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It's. I. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's the. It's the. It's thin. It's thin. th. th th thin. th th the th the thin. the th the th the the the the the the the the the that it was being cut together. It was about the detective being alienated from a lot of the society that he was in because of being indigenous and dealing with a lot of, you know, like, racist white cops and, you know, like, you know, just like, all of that just like clicked into place. And, and ultimately, you know, like, it realized it was like, yeah, okay, like, I mean, I see what this guy's doing with it. And it was, it was a really rewarding, you know, like, it all paid off at that, the, and I also realized that with all the, the sparseness and the slowness of the thing was that it was moving along that are really, like, you know, like really good solid rhythmic clip.

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that attention to detail and that full understanding of the subject of the movie, you know, like, you know, being a racial minority in a country that, you know, sort of, I mean, I know that Australia and America have very different histories with, you know, race, racism and like racial tension and everything like that, but, and that the sort of, I mean, I don't know if I'm like overstepping my bounds by saying this, but, you know, that it's a little bit more, the the, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you, you, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, the, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, everything like that but the sort of I mean I don't know if I'm like overstepping my bounds by saying this but like you know that it's a little bit more kind of unacknowledged like it isn't as openly discussed there yes yeah yeah I think I think that's very fair yeah and I think I've found myself saying this before on the show when we've talked to American guests about that aspect of Australian and American history is that I think there are more parallels between our indigenous populations. Right, yeah. Where, you know, and I can even sort of think of, I'm trying to think of some examples of movies like, is it, there's a movie called Thunderhart from 1992, with Val Kilmer, Val Kilmer and Graham Green.

Yeah, and it's, and that's about like a, a, um, a like half white, half native American FBI agent. Right. You know, and he has to go out, he has to go out to a, um, what's the word a reservation? Yeah. I'm investigating something. And it's, it's that very similar vibe of, it's a very similar vibe of distrust from the community that he's originally from, while also never, never being accepted completely as a part of the organization that he's working for. Right, yeah, yeah, no, it is similar, yeah, in the sense of, you know, like, in straddling both worlds, but being actually part of neither, kind of, yeah, yeah, they definitely have that in Mystery Road where, yeah, it really feels like, yeah, that he's absolutely not accepted by or trusted by any of the other cops,

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Yeah, oh man, he's, you know, he's definitely putting in some work in this one. But, like, in that, in the first scene when, yeah, Jay walks right by by Hugo Weaving I couldn't figure out whether he was saying because I mean I I was having a little bit of difficulty like plying through the the accents I could not for the life of me figure out whether Hugo Leaving said to him Abai as like short for Aborigine or whether he was saying Jayboy Abbo? Right. So the Ryan Quentin's character says to him when he when he shows up at his property, oh, so you that Abbo Copper. Well that was another, a different moment, yeah, but this was, I couldn't figure out.

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So it's like set in a town called Winton, which is, so I grew up in North Queensland, or I guess Central Queensland, but North as far as people live, and it's sort of west from there, and it's further west than, I went out to Longreach once as a kid, and that's a long way west. And it's further west than that. So it's more rural than, you know, I've certainly been for, been in, like, a long period of time. And I think it's like it's something you don't see a lot of in Australian movies and TV, like towns that are that rural, but I think they captured it really well. I was just wondering whether it was like the whole country that wasn't like Sydney, Melbourne, and like, you know, and all of that, whether like the whole country that wasn't the big cities

in the south was just considered the outback or something. Like, I mean, I, you know, it wasn't. I was a little bit fuzzy, but that did clarify. You don't have to get that far from the coast before you're in the outback really. It it it it it, the part the part the part the part the part. It is the part. It is the th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I was, th. I was, th. I was, th. I was, th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. It's, the, the to. It's, the to. to. t. to. to. to. t to. t t to. th. the, the, the, the, the. I the coast before you're in the outback really. It's like the part of the coast that is green and populated is only like 100, 200 ks wide and then like 90% of the country is outback because it is a very stupid, ridiculous country. Hmm. Well, yeah, it's funny. I was talking to somebody about this recently and it was making me think of a previous guest that we had on the show, uh, friend of the show, the the the the th of the th of th of th of th of th of thiziziziziziziziziziz th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thus thus thus thia thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, like 100, 200 like 100, 200 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like 100 like thu-a thu-a thu-I thu-I thu-I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thirty thirty thirty thousand thousand thousand thousand thoan tho-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-ea' thousand thir thirty thousand thi. to somebody about this recently and it was it was making me think of a previous guest that we had on the show, a friend of the show Eliza Gayjet and one of the things that we were talking about in terms of like the kind of parallel the parallel development of like cinematic language in Australia and the states is that America has the whole kind of

wild West cowboy thing and Australia has the whole kind of outback bush ranger kind of thing and but there seems to be this different vibe where in the states there are absolutely plenty of movies where you know they're filmed as though being out in remote rural areas is kind of inherently dangerous. There's lots of like the kind of, you know, there's lots of the sort of Texas Chainsaw Massacre type slasher stuff. There's lots of, even those things like Winter's Bone.

Right, which is... Those sorts of movies of like, yeah, getting out into rural areas and like closed communities that don't want you to come out there and where things are, things are very alien and there's that sense that you know, if you, if you look down the wrong street or kind of poke your nose in where it doesn't belong, you might just kind of disappear. And there's a lot of similar stuff in Australian cinema in that sense of, yeah, when you get right out into the outback and it's just kind of alien and empty and really far away from anything and that idea that if you just, if you just walked a couple of kilometers

in one direction, you just might disappear and no one will ever see you again. But we don't seem to have as much of the same parallel that there is an American cinema of affection for those areas too. I mean, you can think of like, even like comedies and romantic comedies and stuff where someone's from a rural area but they've moved to the big city and you know they're living the fast-paced life and everything and they're not that happy with whatever their deal is and they have to like go back to their hometown for some reason or they have to go to like a rural community and they suddenly like, they suddenly learn a new and appreciation for like the values of small town people or of rural communities or the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they they they they they they they they're they're they're thi. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they's they's they's they's they's they. they's they. they's they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their thi. I I. I thi. I thi. I they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their the like the values of small town people

or of rural communities or whatever whereas I feel like I can't think of as many parallels in Australian cinema for people going to the outback or going to a rural town and going, ah I see what this is all about I see why people live here and what's so great about it. I think you're forgetting about the classic Australian series MacLeod's daughter's? Well yes, yes, yes. And in, I I I I I I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, I th th th th th th th th th th th th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the theee theee theeee thee the the the the the th I think you're forgetting about the classic Australian series MacLeod's daughters Andrew? Well yes, yes and in talking to someone about this they bought up the show Sea Change with Cygrid Thornton was she in that from the Australian classic the man from Snowy River but yeah and I sort of found myself thinking about that particular thing because that's representative of something in between where it's, it's, there are a lot of people who

move away from cities to like towns on the coast, and sort of coastal areas, and that's sort of a big spot for people to go and retire to or to kind of you know live the sweet life but people don't people don't have that same kind of thing of like moving way out into the outback you know to like for some way to retire to or a nice place to live well I think the the reason for the slight disconnect between American and Australian movies in this regard is that when America moved west, it was this hugely romanticized, like a mythologized thing where it's like we ended up, you know, it ended up taking on this sort of like place in the culture

and the American mindset that, you know, just like had taking on this sort of like place in the culture and in the American mindset that, you know, just like had no relation to reality. And the romanticization and like the fetishization of small town life just never really left the American consciousness. And the relationship between Australia and the Outback seems to be different because there wasn't ever this massive push westward. I mean, because I think just like geographically speaking, the way Australia was settled and the way the population became distributed over the continent was just completely different and fundamentally different from the way that the population moved and just, you know, organically distributed itself in America. I mean, and that's why, I mean, that's the, just the reason for that disconnect is that it's just,

it's that simple. It's like, it's the, it's the difference in the way that's why, I mean, that's the, just the reason for that disconnect is that it's just, it's that simple. It's like, it's the difference in the way that people settled the land. Yeah, I think the sense of isolation is totally different because, you know, the US, like, the US and Australia are like roughly geographically the same sort of area. But if you look at a map of the states, it's, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the, it's the difference, it's the difference, it's the difference, it's the difference, it's the difference, it's the difference, it's the difference, it's the difference, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the, it's the, it's, it's, it's, it's roughly geographically the same sort of area. But if you look at a map of the states, it's just kind of covered. Like there's something going on the whole way along. So like no matter where you are, surely you could get in a car and be in a town or a city within an hour or two. This is something that I have found first-hand over the last couple weeks. Like I've driven, like, I've like, I've like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, like, the, the, the, the, like, the, the, like, like, the, like of weeks. Like I've driven like I've like intentionally tried to avoid major highways and major cities and it's impossible to drive like more than an hour

without seeing like at least a town whereas you get into the middle of Australia and you're not going to say ship for like hundreds of kilometers. It's drive for hours and hours. Yeah. Well, I think, did you guys ever see the Blair Witch Projects? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So when that movie came out, there was like a, I remember getting a conversation with somebody it was totally unrealistic that somebody could get lost in the woods in Maryland for that long. And I was like, yeah, that's the whole point of the movie. The fact that they were wandering in the fucking forest in Maryland for three days meant that something was supernaturally off. Because you literally can't walk for more than a day in the east coast of the United States without finding the fact that they were wandering around the woods for three days without seeing any sign of human civilization or like visibly, you know, like, you know, because you would have to literally walk in circles and like, you know, walk past the same shit four times a day in order to stay lost in the woods in that part of the country for that long. So, you know, their their area like thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. you know, it's like, or are you like, this is bullshit,

or are you like, oh, man, something's wrong, you know, I mean, and I think, because the person who was, you know, like, saying, I don't remember what part of America they were from, but it's like, yeah, it's like that just condensed nature of the east half of the country anyway. I mean there are still parts of the West where you can get pretty lost in the middle of nowhere like out in the plains and like Montana and stuff. But I mean yeah it's it's like it's just it's a whole it's orders of magnitude from the way that it's the outback. Yeah it's funny and. It's funny you say that Danny because I reckon like once every couple of months in Australia there'll be a story about American tourists going for a hike somewhere in Australia and they'll just get a little bit lost and they'll go well. I'll just walk in one direction until I find, until I find something and they either die or they're not seen for days

and they get picked up and they're on the news going, well, we just, we just didn't realize you can't just walk and then there'll be something, because there's nothing there. You walk just to your death. Yeah, you could just walk for days and days in a single direction and hit nothing. Well, I mean, there are a couple things that play there. One is that, yeah, Australia is on a scale that's totally unfamiliar with Americans. But the other thing is that American tourists have their heads up their ass.

You know, so, yeah. Just to jump back to Mystery Road for a second, I would say, I recommend people check that one out. And it was probably a slightly different viewing experience for us in the sense that it's got a real who's who cast of Australian actors. So for me watching that film, it was one where just scene after scene after scene was, whoa, it's it's Jack Thompson. Oh, it's Tony Barry, oh, it's like all just really, really recognizable veterans of Australian cinema. It even had, the coroner was played by Bruce Spence, who you may have recognized from Mad Max The Road Warrior. He's legally required to be in every movie that's filmed in Australia.

Yes. Yeah. Because it was the exact opposite for me because the only two actors in the movie that I recognized were Bruce Spence and Hugo Leaving. So I mean there you go, cultural differences. Yeah. Yeah, it was a, but that was very, it was very, very noticeable in that sense. There is a there is a pseudo sequel called Goldstone which is By the same director and with Aaron Peterson carrying on as the same character. It's another another detective story with um detective J. Swan and apparently they're turning it into a TV series. So there you go. There you go, folks. Aaron Peterson and Judy Davis are going to be in a series of Mystery Road for the ABC. Can I just toucest? Can I just touch on something I really enjoyed in this movie that I think maybe might go unnoticed?

Is the, um, yes. The environmental audio in this movie is amazing and I think a lot of the sense of place that you get from this movie comes from the incredible kind of soundscapes that they managed to record and in like the first scene with which is this beautiful like wide shot of like just planes with like dusk. The sun sort of rising. They have just this constant soundtrack of plovers. And I don't know, Danny, you're probably not, you guys don't have plovers in the sense that we have plovers and that they're these horrible hellbirds. They're fucking nasty monsters from hell that attacked me when I was a child and now I'm terrified of them. And they just shriek constantly with this

sort of like a-a-k-k kind of noise and it came on the... That's what that fucking sound was in that. Yes, okay. And so I think for Americans, and so I think th that that that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th their thus thus their their their that's thus thus thus thus their that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their their their their their their their thu. thu. thu. their their their their their their their their their their their their their tou-s. thoo. I that's that's you're going to watch this movie for a reason, I think it's like the sense of place is something you really get from it and it's so much that I was I like Reflexively looked outside to see if any of the little shit's had set up in my yard Because they're everywhere and yeah, and there's just all these wonderful sounds in in the movie that I don't think you get anywhere else and like, the th, the th, the the th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th. th. the the thin, the thin, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their the, and yeah and there's just all these wonderful sounds in the movie that I don't think you get anywhere else and like there's another scene where they're in that he kind of walks through an abandoned Queensland a house which is just this big empty wooden and fibro kind of building and you can hear the house move and you can hear the tin

red tin roof kind of shift and and to me all these little details probably probably went you know I think unnoticed but I I really enjoyed their sound on this movie on this movie on the other side of that I felt that there were sort of similarities in the score to some Peter Wea type stuff in the sense that it's really quite minimal on music or what you would even describe as music, but yeah, really just kind of ethereal ambience in kind of establishing shots in between some scenes and stuff, but other than that, very little in the way of actual music. Yeah, and it worked for the tone that was being attempted and achieved, you know, for this movie. Like, you know, it definitely, the sound was great. I mean, I wasn't, you know, picking up on the significance of the details of the details of the s sounds, the s s s s s s scenes, of of th of th, the the the the the the the the the the s scenes, the sets the the sets the sets, the sets, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, theeeeeeee, the, the, the, the, thiii, thi, thee, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, te, te, te, te, te, te, teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, te, the,, it definitely, I mean, the sound was great.

I mean, I wasn't, you know, picking up on the significance of the details of the sound, but like, was definitely noting threat and especially the way, this is a particular preoccupation among, but the way gunshots are recorded in movies is always something that, like, and it's not to the point where it's like, you know, a deal breaker if they sock or anything like that, but it's more to the point of when they're really good, like I can tell that it's just the fullness of the sound of the metal, hidden metal, and, you know, was that those, those were quite good in this. And especially, like I alluded to earlier, the sense of distance achieved by just putting a little bit of silence between the pulling of the trigger and the landing of the bullet at its target, and the fact that they were so far away with the sniper rifles, and they weren't just getting the shot the first time the way that people

always do in bad movies, because it's like, yeah, these guys are really far apart. It's going to take them like th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the first time the way that people always do in bad movies because it's like, yeah, these guys are really far apart. It's going to take them like three or four shots to finally hit the other guy in like the shoulder, you know, and it was particularly impressive when Jake takes out the car in the end by like nailing the tire and then finally, you know, like, theyanton, you know, just headshot him from like that long distance. You know, but one, one thing that I hadn't noted that I did want to point it was that those, those twilight cinemoscope like shots, like those, those twilight cinemoscope like shots were just just gorgeous. I mean, the colors that they were getting out of the sunsets and it were like just lovely,. And like, like,. Yeah, I really like how low they kept the lighting for a lot of that. Yeah, I really like how low they kept the lighting for a lot of that. Yeah, yeah, and it was almost ashamed with some of the other scenes where it was like more, the purpose was more, like, the purpose was more to the purpose was more. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the kept the lighting for a lot of that. Yeah, yeah. And it was, and it was almost a shame with some of the other scenes where it was like more, where the purpose was more to highlight

just like how kind of like, you know, dry, washed out and hot everything was in the town. It's like, yeah, you needed like, you know, flatter, higher light for those scenes. But I mean, even that, when I was talking earlier about like nothing, like, the, the, the, they. And everything, they. And, they. they, the, they, the, the, they, the, the, the, th. And, they, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, like, like, like, like, was talking earlier about like nothing, everything really fall into place for me in the end, like I couldn't, you know, I wasn't exactly sure early on whether like the stuff was deliberate, but once I realized that everything was deliberate and had a purpose, I started really just being like, you know, that's a good fucking movie right there. Yeah, I'd be, I'd be keen to check out some of Ivanson's other stuff because by all reports, they're very, very impactful films. All right, so we might leave it there for the moment, because we've been, we've been gabbing for a while. Yeah. And if you've got a bit more time Danny maybe we'll

go and take some take some questions from the audience over on the other bonus episode if you have a few more minutes. All right folks so we're gonna leave it there and we will be back. Bye bye. the