Boonta Vista - EPISODE 164: Jim's Moon Sailing (Feat. Ben Jenkins)

Episode Date: August 30, 2020

Theo and Ben are joined by Free To A Good Home's Ben Jenkins to talk about the strange and troubling world of space law as it relates to selling pieces of the moon to nerds. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Merchandise: boontavista.com/merchandise Twitch: twitch.tv/boontavista

Hello and welcome to Buntavista episode 164. I am here hanging out in the sea of tranquility. The perfect stillness, the likes of which could never be replicated on earth, hangs heavily in the air as I gaze over the cold, empty surface of the moon. In my heart I feel a calm I have never felt before, as if I'm the only moving object in the universe, and nothing could possibly disturb my thoughts. But what's that?

It's Theo, driving a moon buggy over the lip of a crater, landing and commencing a series of the tranquilit, thu. Hey Theo. Great, how are you? You look like you're having a lovely time. So now it you did say this is the sea of tranquility, right? I do. Are you going to correct me because I don't really know what the sea of tranquility is? No, no, I mean it seems to be from here. And you said that you're feeling totally at the tause with yourself. Yeah, I have like a constant dread hanging over you. Yeah. their. their. their. their. Yeah. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. to. to. th. th. th. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I to. I to. I'm. I'm. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. t. t t t t t t t t t t t t t t that. Sort of just like a, you know, gnawing in your heart that you might die at any moment, or someone might think something poorly of you, or you've got a regret from six years ago

that you really need to think about right now. And this is a wonderful snapshot into any given 30 seconds that you experience in your life. And so none of that, you just, just tranquil. Just like a quiet, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, a quiet. A, a quiet. A, a quiet. A, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, a quiet, quiet, a quiet, quiet, a quiet, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, Yeah, I'm also feeling that. I don't think you would recognize that state if you felt it. You would start developing new anxieties about your lack of anxieties. Yeah, am I happy? That's a sin surely. I don't deserve that. Strangely enough, despite NASA's policy of putting only two astronauts on the surface of the moon and leaving one in orbit, we're not alone. Hidden behind an awful moon rock is a disgusting moon gremlin, shoveling NASA's policy of putting only two astronauts on the surface of the moon and leaving one in orbit, we're not alone. Hidden behind an awful moon rock is a disgusting moon gremlin, shoveling moon rocks into

its hideous little moon mouth. It's Ben Jenkins. You assured me. You assured me when I came on this podcast. You gave me one assurance and it was that you wouldn't say I was a horrible little moon gremlin. I did, well, to me to me a to me a to me a to me a thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, thus, thus, thoom, thoom-a, thi, thoom-a, thoom, tho, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, thoing, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I have that in writing. I did, well, to me a disgusting moon gremlin is sort of on a different level to a horrible moon gremlin. I don't think you're morally bad, you're just sort of awful to look at. And this is sort of maybe a look

into our working relationship with Ben, McClay, in that he will just lie to your face and then go on record. Oh, whoa! But only for personal gain. It's nice to know where you stand, I guess. Sure. On the moon as a horrible little, a disgusting little moon goblin. I would say you are less than you are standing, you're more sort of squatting in a really filthy, hunched over, sort of a, yeah. The shoulder is quite a little, the shoulder's quite you're doing. Yeah, okay. I mean, like, look, if I have to have to have to have to have to have to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha.... tha. thia.. thia................................... th.. th be cast in that role I think it's good that it's sort of you know in that in that in sure it's very close to your nature. Yeah, exactly. I love a I love a squat. So I've brought you on this podcast me personally because this is actually what we want to talk about today is very much

in your fields of expertise it's sort of the middle of your Venn diagram. So you are a podcaster, a writer, a comedian, a star of stage and screen. Yes, I believe you've been on a stage before. You worked on a television program called The Checkout, which... Sure. And I can't, I really can't stress enough that this is not meant to be insulting. It was just way, way, way better than it had any right to me. If you told me, hey, I'm working on a new show about consumer affairs, I would say that is fantastic. I'm never going to watch an episode of it. Do you know, I'm like really glad that when I got the job on that show I was like so like I think I was just working in TV as a research and had like absolutely no sort of say over any projects that I did and I don't really have that now but like I think if

I think if the chaser guys had come to me now and said hey do you want to work on this show about because I would have said absolutely go fuck you so like this is going to be terrible. Enjoy your horrible show. But no, it turned out quite good I think. It was just, it was staffed by a team of very, very, very wonderful writers. You'd put, just, you know, you would take these quite commonplace sort of situations, you would say have an episode about mattress pricing that would then be done entirely in the style of Ebeneezer Scrooge being visited by the ghost of Christmas past. Now it sounds like you just kind of

pulled that out of your ass but I think we did something very similar to that. That is actually very much one of my favorite episodes of the show. I think it was I think I think think we did, we weren't even consistent in our form parodies, like we did, we would do something like explaining mattresses through the lens of a Christmas Carol, but then we'd also have a character called the mattress wizard that just didn't fit into sort of anything. I believe that was David Cuttingham just, just aggressively laughing into people's faces for the entire episode, which is pretty much. I I I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, that, we that, we that, we that, we that, we that, we that, we that, we that, we that, we that, we'd that, we'd that, we'd that that that thi, we would, we'd th, we'd th, we'd th, we would th, we would th, we would th, we would th. We would th, we would th. We would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would, we would th, we would th, we would th, we would th. We thi, we would thi, we would thi, we would thi, we would thi, we would thi, we would thi, we would thi, we would thi, we would do thi, we would do thi, we would do thi, we would do thi, we would do thi, we would thi,. But yeah, no, I did that show for like six years and I think, I think I'm going to, I'm going to jump in the gun here a little bit. There is a popular misconception that having done that show for like five or six years,

that I know anything about the consumer. Great, so you're effectively telling me that I've brought you here for nothing. You're probably here to insult here to insult here to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult a to insult a to insult a to insult a to insult, to insult, to insult, to insult, to insult, to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to insult to me here to insult me, is that helpful? You're right, sorry, that's a wonderful two of my systems were fulfilled. Well, luckily, you might not be a subject matter expert in consumer law. No, but I will say, I will say because we're on air for so long and because we kind of got a bit of a following, I might not be good at actually knowing stuff, but I'm quite good at like the fumbling my way through, sort of to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to their to their to their to. You've surely learned some key phrases to do with consumer law at this point. I was at the I was at the footy with my brother and a guy like this really drunk huge guy like stopped us and I thought he was going to fight us and he actually just wanted to know how to get out of his optus plan. What a legacy. What a legacy? Did you have any helpful answers to provide him?

I lied to the man's face because I just wanted to get out of there. But yeah, I mean, I, he's probably dead, it's fine. Good. And luckily the second part of this is something that I know for certain you are an expert on and that is of course space. Yep, absolutely. That is 100%. I've been told you have some sort of novel the absolutely that is a hundred percent. I've been told you have some sort of novel theory about the arrangement of space as to... Not a novel theory it's more a um... I suppose it's a way of life. Do you think you could maybe explain the concept of downspace to our list? Do you know what? I'm... Okay here's the thing. I've been mocked on like... I'm gonna say not only on the the concept the the the concept th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to th. to to to th. to th. th. th. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. ththe thing. I've been mocked on like, I'm going to say not only on multiple podcasts but on through multiple mediums. I think the last medium that I'm

yet to be mocked about downspace for is like the written printed word. Like nobody's written a novel about how stupid it is. I'm actually working on that. Oh, I didn't great. About a guy called Jairn Benkert that he has the dumbest theory of the world. But basically on any other medium you'd care to think of, somebody has like gone to town on me about this. It's basically, I set it on, I think, a dragon friends recording and got so mocked that I kind of double downed on it and now I kind of think I believe it. It's like when we go to space we always go to like a cross space you know like we're going across and we never go down and I think we should do that and see what's down there like I think we should

like send something into down space because there could be some neat stuff. So do you okay do you think that we don't know what's down or up because we haven't been there yet? Well I don't know, I'm just saying we haven't been there and like maybe going somewhere is different to just pointing a telescope down or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just think it would be cool to like, even just from like a PR point of view, it would be cool for NASA to be like, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, their, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, to be cool, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to be cool, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th... th., I know you're sick of sideways space. We're sending a crew to down space.

I think that would reinvigorate interest in the uniting issue of policy in 2020. NASA comes out and they say, hey, you know what's boring and tired, the orbital plane where all of the stuff is. Going places where we know things are. Let's go to the place where nothing is. I th just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just that would that would that would that would that would that would that would that would that would that would that would the the that would the last th. I'm just just just just just just just th. I'm just th. that would be that would be that's the last the that's the last that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. Wea. Wea. the. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. thean. Wea. thean. thean. hate it. Where nothing is. I think that would be a wonderful time. I'm just saying the last time NASA tried to do something like this and do like public outreach it was the challenger. So I'm saying my trip to Downspace would be at least more successful than the challenger. But you do insist that there must be at least

one school teacher on the down space mission. Did you know and this is a hundred percent true that Big Bird was meant to be on that ship? Good Lord what us what a sliding doors moment. What can you imagine a universe where big I reckon we would have just packed it in like I reckon we we would have been done with space? Everyone just takes a couple of valium and lies down for a few years to get over what just happened to us. Killed Big Bird in space. Was it as in, uh, so Big Bird, not a puppet, it's a man in a costume. It's a carol, um, surgically attached. He's stuck in there forever. The name is Carol something. Was the idea that he would be sitting in one of the chairs in costume?

It's possible that they only got to this point and went, oh hang on a second, this is too hard. We can't work at how to put a man in a big bird costume into space. There's enough, there is enough sort of technical challenges in just getting something into orbit without having to worry about how the the the to to to to the to to the to the to the the to the to the the to the the to the the the the the the the to the the the the the the the to be to be to be to be to be the the chairs the the to be to be to be their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tea tea.ea tea tea.ea tea tea tea.ea tea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea. thea. I the enough, there is enough sort of technical challenges in just getting something into orbit without having to also worry about how to do it with a guy in a bird costume. You'll know that we've like, we've truly become very comfortable with spaceflight when one of the characters from Sesame Street is on board. Yeah. We've got everything else so nailed. I think the person who, in the meeting, when, look, guys, let's put this in the the the the the the the the the the th in th into th into th into th into th into th into the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be in to be in to be in to be in to be to be to bea' the person who in the meeting went, hey look guys let's put this in the two hard basket, when the challenge of disaster happened was

probably promoted. You can hope. You'd hope. Just like later on people come around their desk and being like, good call. Or maybe it wouldn't have happened if he was on there. He would have been like, hey guys, I just heard something rattling, and I'm just not sure we should take off. Maybe the keen ear of Big Bird is what could have saved that mission. They sent him out on a spacewalk, his tether snaps. Big Bird just floating out into the empty of the expense of space, but he did save all of those lives.

Richter like Grin stuck on his face. Floating away. See, that's gravity that I would watch if you replace Clooney with Big Bird. Keep every element of the movie exactly the same. Swop George Clooney with Big Bird. So I think, I think yes. To answer your question, I think it's that's, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th. thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, th. the, th. the, that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. That, th. That, th. That's, th. That's, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the, the, the, the, te, te. I's, teateat, teateateat, teat, teateat, teat, teateat, teateat, te. Wea. the. I's, te. I yes, to answer your question, I think it's pretty clear that I am something of a space expert. Sort of the Terence Howard of space exploration.

Hey, somebody told me, and sorry, they may have just been playing on my Labrador like gullibility, but somebody told me that Terence Howard actually is onto something with his... Inventing his own kind of mathematics? Yeah. Somebody told me like he's actually, he's not got it right but his instincts are correct. I would love to know that claim in more detail than that. Because surely not true. If you haven't... I think it's like he's like he's like stumbled upon something that like a bunch of Renaissance weirdos also thought. It's not just like... it's not just like... it's not just in he right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right. the right. the right. But. But. But. But. But. It's like. It's like, but. But. But. But. But. But. But. But. But, but. But, but. But, he's right. But, but. But, he's right. But. But. But. But. But. But, it's like, it's like, it's right, he's right, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like he's like he's like stumbled upon something that like a bunch of Renaissance weirdos also thought it's not just like it's not just in a vacuum I guess is what I'm saying it's not just in the big bird vacuum of space oh he's wrong in a different time period exactly exactly it would have been a

genius 400 years ago but unfortunately if you that the listener haven't come upon Terence Howard's new form of mathematics that he invented, please just Google Terrence Howard's new form of mathematics and look at the results. It is truly something else. Because it gets a bad rap because the way that he sells it is like, the way that he sells it is like, hey, I'm pretty sure 1 doesn't equal 2. Like he says something like that like something that is like sort of quite foundational into how we

understand sort of just really general basic math that people tend to turn out one times one equals two that's his claim that's his thing okay yeah that's it's sort of there's a Ted Chang short story that is about like people becoming suicidally depressed because they're scientists and they find out that Matt doesn't work. I remember that story, yeah. I assume that's what's happening here except Territow, it has the fortitude to carry on. So we were sent in a letter from a listener, Jessica over in beautiful Canada. She sent us a link to a website and this is because in our previous episode, which I believe is episode 163, Return of the Macrol. By the way, I cannot believe how many episodes of this you've done. If you've been making this one because for like 15 minutes and you've brought like, freedom

of the home we've made like three epitome of them. And I bet they all would have been beautiful episodes. But no, I'm just saying that'm just saying that with absolute respect, that's, it's amazing how many of these you've made. Yeah, it turns out if you record them every week, they actually, yeah, the numbers just really start to add up. They do take care of themselves. We were talking in that episode about, we made some casual references to, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tho, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, the, the, the, the. And, thean, thean, thean, toean, thean, toge. And, thea, thea, the. And, the. Andto thanks to Steve Bannon selling parts of the wall to gullible rubes we were talking about those scams where people are like I'm gonna sell you one meter of Scottish countryside and technically

you're a lord now or sure sure sure I'm gonna sell you a part of the moon and I had sort of never really looked into this because I'm like no it's a it's a joke thing that you're getting that it's a piece of paper and on the bottom it says you don't actually own part of the moon or whatever and then Jessica linked us to the website moon estates.com and I immediately fell into just a terrifying hole of complexity so this is it's everything you'd expect like you go to moon estates dot com you look at the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. It's the. It's the. It's the's the. It's tho. It's tho. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the's the's the's the's the's the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the. It's the the. It's a theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the the the the the the the the complexity. So this is, it's everything you'd expect, right? Like you go to moonestates.com, you look at the website, you're given a bunch of options. The first thing you see is you can either buy one moon acre, you can buy 10 moon acres, or you can buy more pay less moon acres. Don't really understand what that means.

You can also get acreage on Mars and Venus. You can get VIP packages, which involves... Oh, freak yourself! VIP landowners will be given priority access to new products and developments in the future. I don't really know what those could possibly be. I assume better frames for your Moon certificate. I really like this quote that's on the website, which is like, I have an acre bought for me, no, no, no, no, no, sorry. I'll do that. I'll. I, I. I, I, I, I. I, I. I, I, I, I. I, I, I. I, I, I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. I'll that. I'll that. I'll that. I'll that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. th. I. I. I. I. th. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I really like this quote that's on the website, which is like, I have an acre bought for me, but no, no, sorry, I'll do that again because this quote just disappeared because this is a very badly designed website. It is, yes. I own 22 acres of moonland.

I started off with one in 2000 and now I have bought a few more each year since then. You are literally in the same place as you started. Yes. You have nothing. Well, I got a couple of more of those testimonials here. Oh, good. This one is from Simon Roberts, who owns Area F4 Quadrant Charlie Plot. One of the best, I think. I thought it would be a good investment for the future. It doesn't pay to sit around and wait. Because I'm sure some things will be caging on the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon s will be changing on the moon in the near future.

Another one here from Joe Elwood who has Area F4 Quadrant Charlie Plot. To have an acre bought for me by the two people I love most of my life is very special to me. Now I'm wondering if this is maybe like a partner and a child, or if he, or they are a member of a thruple, and they have been gifted a piece of the moon. Hard to say. I think one of the biggest relationship issues with thruples is when you land on the moon, who's going to stay in the moon? Yeah, it's unveils a lot of...

very devastating to them. Yeah, who's going to be the Michael Collins of this polycule? No, no, we like hanging out with you. It's just... You're so good at orbiting. And really this is the most important job not having fun on the moon. Do you know why I know this is a great website? Because like all great websites, it has a drop-down menu which features the option of space law. Oh my god, you were going to, you were about to hear the phrase space law so many times,

so I'm very excited for you. Now Ben, would you like me to not be on this website and you can sort of reveal it to me in your own time? I mean, by the only thing. I'm unw wrapping unw wrapping unw wrapping unw wrapping unw wrapping unw wrapping unw wrapping, am am am unw wrapping, am am am am am am wrapping, I'm to to this this, I'm this, I'm this, I'm this, I'm this, I'm this, I'm this, I'm thing my thing my thing my thus, I'm thus, thing my this, thus. I'm thing. I'm thing. I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this, this, this, this, you, this, this, this is. this is this is this is this is this is this is this is thing. this is this is going. thing. the. the. the. theanan. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. the. the. the. th here. Click around at your leisure because the surprises are not going to be coming from this website. I will read for you their mission statement. In 2015, Moon Estates joined forces with Moonlife LTD to bring you an even more enjoyable experience, very dubious claim. I don't know how I could enjoy this anymore.

To take our exploration well into the 21st century, our vision is to bring together the community of over 6 million space enthusiasts that have purchased land on the moon and to develop our communal responsibility for its stewardship. Communal. Mr. Strick there, they did. Yep, that's fair. That's fair. Thanks for having me. I would also suggest that perhaps at this point the moon takes care of itself. It's been doing that pretty well for a while.

Sort of as far as human involvement goes. Is there any kind of contingency in my purchase for a sort of seven-eve situation where the moon explodes? They have not addressed that, shamefully. There's no sort of refund policy. We will be offering you more interactive ways of sharing your lunar experiences and creating fun gifts to share with friends and loved ones. Now fucking, Ben, I feel like you're just really, like everybody is on the fucking edge of their seats, want to knowing how much it costs to get a slice of that moon pie. Oh, I would love to tell you so much. So now I have to be very clear that this, you can get a cheaper deal on Moonland.

So this is the cost of buying it through the UK website. The absolute minimum spend you looking at here, one acre of Moonland and not getting a frame for your certificate. You're looking at 24 pounds, about 44 bucks? That's okay. Oh, that's reasonable? I mean, I'm not, I'm not, yeah, I'm actually considering it now. How could you put a price on it?

You can spend a lot more though, so you can basically buy as many acres as you'd like. I imagine, I imagine, I imagine that, that land is on the dark side.. Like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, th, about, about, th. th. thi, thi, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, if the, if the, if the the, if th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th as you'd like. I imagine, I imagine that that land is on the dark side, right? Like I, oh no, no. If I was running this scam, I would definitely delineate between the dark and the light side of the moon. Uh, the man doing this is actually a man of great principle. He will only sell land that's on the other side, the stuff that's on the edge that is sometimes dark, sometimes not, you're only getting full light exposure. Oh, that's nice. That's really nice. Now, obviously knowing what a great

bargain this is, you might say to yourself, ooh, maybe I'll get a little bit more, Moonland. Sure, sure. You can get five acres with a frame for about 79 pounds, which is only about $144. And that's value. So the largest parcel of moonland I can get is five acres. I think you can buy as much as you want. It's just their default options from one to five. How many acres is the moon? That's a wonderful question.

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you require and then choose if you would like for it to be framed. Scroll down for more information. So I'm enjoying the use of the word require there. I need lunar land or else I will die. I've maxed out. Gotta get just a couple more acres. I really like the, the, yeah, as you say, like, the certificate proves it, as if that's going to be the end of discussion if you're like anything. If you're like having somebody around, you're like, hey, you know, I own some of that? Have you ever, have you ever heard of the moon? Yeah, so that thing. Yeah, so that that thing. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. th. th. th. Yeah. th. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.. Yeah.. Yeah. Yeah........ Yeah... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. always there, yeah. Yeah, cool. I own some of that. Now I simply don't believe you. Have you got anything to back up your claim? Can I direct you to the wall over there? Oh, that insane screed that I was looking at earlier. No, next to the screen, please. Um. I had kind of been led to believe, uh, because of the immediately obvious scam like nature of this that the scroll down for more information would be the like below the drop disclaimer that

this is clearly fake right that it's like a novelty product. We're kind of like in the gray area legally here. Yeah. And I'm not talking about the gray surface of the moon. It's actually about the same color as like as-full. Jesus fucking Christ. Okay, here we go. So this is what the more information is. The deeds for the land which you're about to purchase on the moon are issued by moonestates.

Dot com. Dot com LTD. They show the precise, but to gain the full benefit of being a lunar landowner, we advise you to complete and return the registration form. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? It's like, the clear view,ational sale. You know what I mean?

It's like if you put your house there, your view is spectacular. You'll be sitting on your porch looking at the scummo's back on Earth. Earth lubbers, I believe they will call them. It didn't snap up this bargain when you had the presence of mine too. They continue here, details of the purchase of the three or five acre land packages deed will be issued for each and the the the the the the the the their and their and their and the property and the property and the property and the property and the property and the property and the property and the property and the property, and their their their their their to be to be to be to be their house their house their house their house their house you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their house their their house their house their house their house their house. their house. their house. the. the. the. the. the. their their their their house. You're their their their their their their their the of the purchase, oh sorry I know it did that part, if you purchase the three or five acre land packages deed will be issued for each acre and the properties will be next to each other. Great, if choosing a frame only the first acre deed will be in the frame. Buying the land as a present you might like to consider the gift box version which also includes a coaster with the word I own the moon on it. What a bold coaster the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thothough. I own the moon is like such platonic ideal of crazy person's space.

By the way I'm sort of like the sole owner of the moon. That's just a fun fact about me that I would like you to know. It's like something that like a lazy writer would say that somebody next to them on a bus said. To just a really quickly shorthand to note that they were that kind of crazy person. It's sort of harmless but deeply alienated from the world around. Exactly. I've been praising this scam a fair bit because I think it's like it's quite subtle in like how it's doing. I mean it's not a scam necessarily, you know what I mean? I it's I've been praising this kind of the pitch of it, but I really think they're fucked up by by saying oh and you know why not buy some land on Venus to

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land on the moon? Well, if this sounds like a joke to you, please read on. It's quite a story. A declaration of ownership was filed with the United Nations as well as the US and the Russian governments in 1980 to ensure that a legal basis for the ownership of the property sold here can be claimed. Moonestates.com LTD are authorized for the sale of extraterrestrial property and all purchases are registered on the central database. We've been informed that to date in excess of six million space enthusiasts have become members of our organization making it the largest group in the world. Did you say six million? I thia thia th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thiiii. I th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho- tho- tho- tho- tho-o. the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the their the the the the the the th. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. Mn. M. Moon. I toda. Moon. today, today, today, today, today, today, today, tho. tho. tho. the. the. M in the world. Did you say six million? I did say six million, yes. Um, I noticed that they say that it was filed with the UN.

Yeah. That doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't filed to the gigantic crank basket that they have. And you will find that this is actually a key element of this man's legal strategy? Uh-huh. They finish this off by saying, who knows, one day we may be able to fly to our chosen planet and take up residency, but in the meantime, it's something we can talk and dream about. Awesome.

They go into more detail and they frequently ask questions because I'm sure they get a lot. Who am I buying from? This website is owned and operated by Moon Life, LTD, a a a a th. A, a c.they get a lot. Who am I buying from? This website is owned and operated by Moon Life, LTD, a company based in Cornwall. We purchased the land from Moonestates.com, LTD. That's really interesting. I really had this down as American. Cornwall is not... Well, so these people are buying it from an American company, which, yeah, you'll see. The rest of the fact... I'm sure you guys have listeners in Cornwall and I'm going to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, like like th. thi, like th. th. thi, like thi, like thi, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, the their, thi, thi, thi see the rest of the fact I'm sure you guys have listeners in Cornwall And I'm gonna like insult them, but honestly I'm just I'm just imagining this old Cornish farmer with a cloth cap

And like a shepherd staff just behind a computer selling pictures of those selling parcels of the moon This is more or less exactly what I'm imagining except I believe it's a husband and wife team So the rest of the fact just directs you to the their their their their their tho their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tooes tooes tooes their their tooes tooes tooes tooes tooes tooes tooes tooes tooes tooes told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. to to to to their to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to their space law section of the website. Which is, I have learned a lot in the last couple of days is what I will say. What is the law today? With regard to extra-terrestrial property sales, two treaties exist today. These treaties not refer to ownership as such, they today, to to to to to bodies for profit purposes, and expert terrestrial property sales distinctly fall under that section. The treaties are the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 and the Moon Treaty of 1984. The Outer Space Treaty of 1967 explicitly forbids any government from claiming a celestial resource such as the moon or a planet. What does this mean?

Well, it means that governments cannot appropriate the moon or other celestial bodies. Effectively, governments have signed to the fact they have no rights to these bodies at all. What is actually important here is what the Outer Space Treaty does not say. It explicitly does not say whether commercial enterprises or private individuals can claim exploit or appropriate the celestial bodies for profit. The United Nations and all countries that signed the Outer Space Treaty became aware of this vital omission almost immediately after the treaty we've ratified in 1967. In fact, the United Nations have expended a large amount of time to try to ratify an amendment to the treaty ever since that would explicitly include corporations and

individuals. All attempts at ratifying such an amendment failed because member states did not agree. So in the end, really thionionionionionionionionionion, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, tho, thi, thi, the, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, the, theoeateateateateateooomoomooomorrow, toge, the, theoo. theoooeoomoomorrow, the, the all the ratification attempts to summarize the famous moon treaty some 15 years later and this is certainly true which I think he's about to explain here. Or is it just the UN has other stuff on like well apparently this is actually the US and a couple of well like all the space fair and countries been like no but we do want to privatize the moon so please don't do that. Oh th. Oh th. Oh th. Oh th. Oh th. Oh the the the the the the the the the the the th. Oh. Oh. Oh. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And th. And th. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And............................................................................. the..................... the..... the...... the. the.. the.. the... the. the... the. the.. the. the. the. the. the. the. the space fair in countries have been like, no, but we do want to privatize the Moon, so please don't do that. So it explains a little bit here, weirdly, from the insane Moon Real Estate website. What is the Moon Treaty? And why is it not law? The Moon Treaty, had it been ratified, would have forbidden the expoation of space, the

moon and other celestial bodies. According to the Moon treaty individuals treatreaty, individuals treaty, individuals treaty, individuals treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, tha, the Moon and other celestial bodies, but of all the 185 or so member states of the UN, only six states supported it. All others, including all space-faring nations, the USA, the UK, Russia, China, etc., refused to sign it. This is something that does not seem to be well known. And have you fact checked that? That is correct. That is a hundred percent correct. The USA explicitly refused to sign to to to to to to the, the, the, to the, to the, the, to to their their to their, to their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thoome, thoomomomom. thoom. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their, their. And, their. And, their. And, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, te. Wea, tea.uuuui.uiuui.ui.ui.ui.ui.ui.ui.ui.a.ui. Soa, their, their, that is 100% correct. The USA explicitly refused to sign it as it would inhibit the exploitation of lunar and other celestial resources for profit by corporations and individuals. We feel that the non-ratification of the Moon Treaty is a good thing. If it had been ratified and oil was found on the Moon, any company by law would be prohibited

from mining it. Surely that is not in the public interest. That is like the only thing I reckon that would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would would that would that would that would that would that would that would that would that would that Surely that is not in the public interest. That is like the only thing I reckon that would stop us from mining oil on the moon. It's such a bizarre claim as well to just be like, hey, if there's oil on that fucking moon, we're gonna go-doh-down get it. Gonna hollow out that bad boy. It continues. Here is what an historical website has to say about it. They don't say which one. The agreement governinging the agreement is the act is the act is the act is the act is the act. I. I. I is the act. I. I is the that is that is that is that is that is that is that is their. that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is their. It is their. It is their. It is their. I. I. I. I. I is their is their is their is their is their is a their their the the the the the the the the the the the.o.o.o. I. I. the. the. the. that. that. I. that. th. th. I. to say about it. They don't say which one. The agreement governing the activities of states on the moon and other celestial bodies is the infamous Moon Treaty. It was killed by a handful of L5 society activists, who were the first to see that it would outlaw property rights in the rest of the universe and indefinitely bogged down space settlement in a common heritage of all mankind

Morass. When as a result of the L5 Society efforts, the US Congress failed to ratify the treaty, the USSR also breathed a sigh of relief. They likewise did not ratify. Soviets were so surprised at the impact of this relatively unknown organization that they sent very obvious KGB members to chapter meetings in New York City to find out who they were. So this is, that society to which they're referring to was a group of people people, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, the, to, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, that society to which they're referring to was a group of people in the 70s who were like, we are going to build space colonies. They named themselves after one of the Lagrange points that's in the system of the Earth and the Moon. So you can tell their enormous nerds and they haven't really done anything except maybe

maybe stop this. But this is all academic until we're actually able to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to This is all academic until we're actually able to get to the moon. Or is it like that thing, you know that thing about like really early, one of the earliest kind of examples of like credit was some island people's who like were trading in ownership over totems that were under the water? And like nobody could get at them, but it was like technically you own that now. I believe that was the plot of a Terry Pratchett book certainly. Okay maybe I think it's that. But it might also be based on a real thing. I think fuck I may have confused David Graver's book debt with a

Terry Pratchet which you know both could be pretty chunky they're both pretty thick. So, as you say, all very academic. If you want to write into this podcast with what Ben is actually thinking of, please do I'd love to know. For our famous, which Ben is correct segment? So they sort of realize that this is all quite academic, it's all theoretical, but they have some more down-to-earth answers here, if you'll pardon the pun. Can I charge NASA if they land on my property? No, you can't. No celestial body is owned by NASA and they have never claimed them.

Further, the outer space treaty of 1967, which is law clearly states that the moon and other celestial bodies of the heritage of all mankind for the purposes of exploration. So NASA can do what they like and where they like as long as they are exploring. But if someone wants to build a house or drill for minerals or water on your property, that is quite a different issue altogether. Moon Estates.com has never and will never sell a past or planned NASA landing site on any celestial body. That's interesting because that just shows that they know that if they're challenged even for a moment this whole thing falls down. Yes. There's the reason why they couldn't it's just like they never want to have to take this further. Yeah they never want to invite

that court case. Yeah exactly. They summarize here and the most important point in all of that let's not miss the most important point of all and it specifically applies to the moon to us. What is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoes. the the the the thoes. tooes. to to to to to they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they's they's they's they's they's they's they's the the the the their their their their their their their their. their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toooooooooe.a.a. I they. I never never never never never never never never never never. Ia. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I to the moon. What is the moon to us? What is the moon to us? What is the moon to us? Yeah, maybe that one. The moon is a symbol of hope, romance, achievement, and change, all rolled into one. There is nothing more symbolic and romantic on earth one can give to a loved one. It is not a fad we can toy with. It is not something that will ever lose its appeal when you buy your property on the moon or any other planet, please enjoy it because that's what this is all really

about. You can look into the night sky and say, I own a piece of that. You know what, I can do that now. I can do that right now with all of the legal backing that anybody who's bought stuff on the moon can. You just say, you know what, I can't, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th th that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that that You just say, you know what, I can see a tiny little, there's like a little smudge. That's my smudge. That's my smudge. Yeah, I claim that. So, uh, I had a look into this because obviously I am not going to take the claims of a moon real estate website at face value. So, as I said before, this is a couple in Cornwall who are, as like on sellers for an American man who has claimed that he has owned the moon since 1980.

Coming up to 40 years of moon ownership here. This is from a 2009 National Geographic article, who owns the moon, the galactic government first the UN. On July 20th, 1969, astronauts stepped onto the moon and planted an American flag, not to claim the moon, but simply to commemorate the U.S. role in the first moon landing. 40 years later, a Nevada entrepreneur says he owns the moon and that he's interim president of the first-owned galactic government. Real difference in like gravitas between those two things.

Dennis Hope, head of the lunar embassy corporation, has sold real estate on the moon and other planets to about 3.7 million people so far. As his customer base grew, he said, buyers wanted assurances that their property rights would be protected. So Hope started his own government in 2004, which has a ratified constitution, a Congress, a unit of currency, and even a patent office. Does that a flag? Does have a flag? It does, and I would love very much. Theo. Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, Theo, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and th, and th, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and their tho, and their their and their and their and their and their their their their their their their their their their their th, and th, and th, and th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thoo, thoooa, thoa. thoa. thoa. thoa. thoa. thoan, thoan, thoan, thoan, and th patent office. Does that a flag? Does that a flag? It does, and I would love very much, Theo, it's in the document there if you want to look at it, but just Google, uh, fuck, what does he actually called his government? God damn it.

Galactic government. Yes, the galactic government flag. I'm looking at it. If you see something that looks like the Greek flag gone wrong, you have found the correct one. I would describe that flag as Greek lives matter. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. So there's one more sentence to this stupid here, which I really enjoy. We're now a fully realized sovereign nation, Hope said. You aren't. No. You weren't. No. And it's wonderful how immediately this whole story has turned into just libertarian paradise. Yeah, it's because they cannot live anywhere else on earth. Bizarre a amount of stuff in the moon constitution like bizarre, like nine or ten whole

pages about the age of consent itself. Well actually their constitution is a hundred pages long and I did read the whole thing, so you might well be right. And I think you'll find a moon year counts for two earth years. I got the same information here from a different website with the wonderful URL, Space Legal Issues.com. But it had, it starts with one extra tidbit which I think makes all of this fall into place. Since a divorce that would have

ruined Dennis Hope, this American is sold more than 400 million acres of Luna land thanks to his agency. Yeah, right. Oh, this is just everything like this is a classic Buntavista story, Micronation, Insane Space Law, divorce dad. So this guy, this guy must be a this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. this th. this this th. This this th. This is, thi, this thi, this this thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiol-s, thiol-all, thiol-all, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiol-all, thiol-all, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiolou-s, this this this this this this this this thioluntavista story, Micronation, Insane Space Law, divorce dad. So this guy must be like significantly rich by this point then, right? He has made at least a couple of million dollars. He's doing quite well. Good Lord. I was trying to sort of look into his background, and every single article about him, which there are a lot describing in very different ways. but what I know for certain he was at some point a

car salesman, a shoe salesman, an actor and a ventriloquist. The Smithsonian magazine described him specifically as a ventriloquist turned entrepreneur with an eye on the sky. He's enjoyed a small bit of celebrity from this. There is a absolutely bonkers clip of him going on Conan in 2003 and the guest that he is like replacing on the couch next to the table is Jason Schwartzman. So it's just Jason Swartzman standing up and very awkwardly shaking this insane man's hand before moving off. So this, this is more from that National Geographic article about the legality of this.

The trouble is that legally, nobody can own the moon or anything else in space. For that matter, said Tanya Masson's won, president of the International Institute of Space Law based in the Netherlands. What lunar embassy is doing does not give people buying pieces of paper the right to ownership of the moon, she said. The controversy began in 1980 when Hope registered his claim on the moon with the United Nations. The claim went unanswered, so he figured his rights were secured. This is such great textbook crank stuff. To date, and this is from 2009, keep in mind, his company is sold more than 2,500,000

acre plots of lunar land, which hopes there's a rich in an isotope of helium that has an earthly price tag of about US 125,000 an ounce. Today a deed for a plot printed with a buyer's name is selling online for $22.49 plus tax. Legal experts counter that the UN didn't have to answer, didn't answer because it didn't have to. But it doesn't matter. He's made millions and millions of dollars, right? It's worked. Yes. Unless this is like, unless these are self-reported figures. Well, it's not. Like, that's certainly wild. It seems like they, some of these figures are self-reported. All the estimates about his wealth seem to be much more conservative than his claim about

how many people have bought them. But he's definitely made at least a few million dollars at this point. That, I just respect it, I guess. It's such a good scam. And except for the people that he's scamming, it's a victimless crime. But I mean, but actually, in a way, like, they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're not. they're they're not. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're they're they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. they're not.. But actually, in a way, like, they're not... They don't want anything from it, other than what they're getting. And they want to be able to point... 22 pounds or whatever, like, it's cheap enough to buy it as a joke, right? Like... Okay, so you reckon anybody, like, I know that you guys have like a really good and loyal fan base. Do you reckon after this recording, you to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to their their their to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. their the. the and loyal fan base. Do you reckon after this recording you might actually find yourself a recipient of a little slice

of moon pie? Oh God I hope not. Please don't do that. What do you do it? If you do it, that would be terrible for your anxiety. Well, so we say that this istrust as if it is people making an investment. Very troubling. But again, you know it's like 25 bucks, so.

Do you know the only thing that I'm surprised about this whole set up is that the blockchain hasn't come into it at all? Like this feels like the sort of thing that, yeah. If he was a slightly younger man. Yeah, absolutely. I think it's just a timing thing. Yeah, right. Um, the article continues here. Hope, however, said there's a loophole. The treaty prohibits countries from claiming property in space.

But, quote, I filed my claim of ownership as an individual. The fact that he's now claiming his gala' ga ga galactic the galactic the gala gala gala gala gala gala gala gala ga ga gala ga ga the ga the ga the ga the moon might seem problematic, but Hote said the fledgling regime isn't a member of the UN and so doesn't have to abide by its laws. I'd love this thing of my made-up country doesn't have to abide by rules for made-up reasons that I have. It's a real double stack of confidence. It really does kind of like, you know, hit home that everything's made up. Like all countries are made up, Ben. That is, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, that is, that is, that is, th thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th th th th th th th th isn't has has has has has has has has doesn't has has doesn't has thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, has thi, has thi. thi. thooooooooooooooooooooooan, has doesn't has doesn't has thooooooooooooooooooooo made up. Like, all countries are made up, Ben. That is so true.

Regardless of his current stance, Hope's original claim to the Moon is simply not legal. The space law institutes Masson's one asserts. The UN Treaty does apply to governments and their private citizens, which invalidates Hope's claim to the moon and other celestial bodies, but that shouldn't disappoint any prospective Moon millionaires. You don't need to own a place to make money on it, Masin Juan said, but you do need a clear legal framework for doing business on the property, something the Moon currently lacks. A separate 1979 treaty known as the Moon Agreement sets up a framework

for establishing clearer rules for managing the Moon's natural resources once the use of those resources becomes feasible. Such rules would apply to businesses looking to establish hotels, mining operations, and other commercial endeavors on the moon. That agreement, however, has been ratified by just 13 countries, none of which are major space-faring states. So, this is an except from the book, the thanigh that maybe it is fine. But luckily, that is not the only space law expert. This is an excerpt from the book the book the book the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, theck, theck, theck, theck, theck, theck, theck, theck, theck, the. the. that's, that's, that's, that's, th-mion, th-mionter. the. the. thetermion, thetermion, thetermion, the. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. theanananterm. t t t t teanusususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususus, t t that is not the only space law expert. This is an excerpt from the book Who Owns The Moon, Extraterrestrial Aspects of Law and Mineral

Access Ownership by Romanian Space Lawyer Vigiliu Pop. He takes a much more hardline approach arguing that not only can hope not do this but the US is violating the treaty by letting him do it? How are they letting him do this? By not putting him in prison. Yeah, essentially. By not saying, hey, stop selling the moon. Yeah. Dennis Hope maintains that this norm contains a loophole allowing the private appropriation of the extraterrestrial realms.

This is flawed logic. Thus, if states cannot appropriate the extraceal realms, then neither can their nationals. Furthermore, landed property rights are unlikely to survive without protection from a sovereign entity, and state endorsement of private appropriation would be a form of national appropriation. A number of academics consider that not only active endorsement but even a passive attitude from the authorities is a form of national appropriation, as detailed by the Dutch Space Lawyer Franz von der Dunk. What a wonderful collection of words in a terrific order. Can you please read them again from Dutch? Dutch Space Lawyer Franz von der Dunk.

That's a new cellar for me. It is truly beautiful. Every time I've read the words space law, space lawyer, space legal issues, I've been experiencing a wild thrill. During a discussion on the issue that took place in 1999 at the 42nd colloquium on the Law of Outer of of of of of the the of of the the the of of the the of of the the the the the the the of of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the issue that took place in 1999 at the 42nd Colloquium on the Law of Outer Space, the majority of the lawyers present there were of the opinion that the United States would actually be in violation of the pertinent rules of the Outer Space Treaty by not taking action against its citizens trying to offer pieces of the moon for sale, which was amounting

to fraud. I think I've worked out out out out out out out out out's a weird like overlap of something that is clearly ridiculous and a whole bunch of very serious people taking it quite seriously. It's really it's really terrific how much time of very serious people this is wasted. There's a really beautiful paragraph here also from that book. I've just I've been thinking about this for 48 hours now. While San Jamal considers Hope's activity as being quote not a joke and it's perfectly legal, in reality a choice has to be made. It is either a joke and thus lawful or it is not a joke and thus illegal.

So selling the moon is not the only way that he makes money, as we establish with the couple from Cornwall. He's got his ventriloquist's same of income. Sure, the shoe is sailing. Sailing? Good Lord. So he also licenses being able to sell the moon. So this is a franchise, like a type of franchise.

Like a Jim's Moon Selling. It's exactly like Jim's Moon Sailing. This is from a 2013 Business Society article. The real estate company currently has two full-time employees, 27 resellers, and six ambassadors. To resell properties or become an ambassador, license holders are required to pay a $60,000 fee and buy a certain number

of properties monthly. Fuck, do you know what, again talking about the blockchain, how it's just a timing thing? If this was timed a little bit differently too, it would be multi-level marketing. Absolutely be a lot, multi-level marketing scheme. Moon, real estate parties and people's living rooms. There was one little tidbit of this article that is also quite wonderful because I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else. In order to choose which piece of Terra Luna he wants to sell, Hope simply closes his eyes and randomly points to a moon diagram.

You can't, hey, it works. You can't just like get a spreadsheet or something? You can't... What's this guy's name? Dennis Hope. And if you want to look up what this man looks like, that is also quite fulfilling. Before I look it up, I just want to... Theo, do you know what this man looks like? I have not seen him yet. You haven't seen him, okay. In my mind, he looks like, like exactly like Trump's weird doctor. You know the guy would like, no. Oh, yeah. Okay, so that's what he looks like in my mind.

Imagine if that guy had a haircut. I don't think you're far off the bar. I wish he looked more like that guy though. That'd maybe respect it more. He looks like Billy Joel. He looks so much like Billy Joel. He looks so much like Billy Joel. I'm sorry I should have mentioned that up top. It's he looks so much like Billy Joel that I think it's more likely that he's just Billy Joel. He's the guy that if Billy Joel comes third in a Billy Joel look-alike contest to satisfy for his wedding. There's another little bit in here about how he's also claimed ownership of Mars,

Venus Mercury and one of Jupiter's moons but says that he doesn't sell in other planets because he can't five maps of them. Hey, I'm going to just put something forward. What if he's right? Go on. Okay. Talk me through that. What if he actually owns not just the moon, but also Mars, Venus, what else did you say anymore?

Mercury. Mercury and one of Jupiter's moon. Just one. Just one of Jupiter. Just one of the thears. Just to be like, no, no, no, not all of the moods. Just one of the birds. I wonder which moon of Jupiter it is.

Yeah, I don't actually know. Yeah, I mean, I kind of... Are you... If he owns these celestial bodies, if he actually owns them, I would argue that it has the same effect on virtually everybody on this planet's day-to-day lives as if he doesn't own them at all. Okay, but what happens? Let's thee-mok's up to Mars, starts hammering in the foundations for his little moon Mars Chateau, and then he gets a call from Dennis Hope who says, yeah, I'm going to just

stop there mate. That's mine. So if you just get back on your little spaceship, come back home, that would be really good. The Jupiter Moon he owns is I-O, interesting choice. Well, that's one of the, it's an all right one. But you didn't get one of the ones that potentially has life on it. Yeah, I was going into this thinking he would have claimed Europa. Possibly a tactical error, we'll see how history plays out.

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and Moonestates.com. They are simply lying too used... Wait, hang on a damn second. Moonestates. Isn't the one that we started from, is it? Uh, yeah, it was. Oh, my God. So they're claiming to be licensees of his, but they're not. Well, I think he expounds on that that that that tham on th. th. their to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be lia. to be to be lia. to be lia. to be lia. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their license. their license. their license. their license. their license. their license. their license. their license. to to to to to to next sentence. They are simply lying, too used to be our ambassadors until we caught them behaving badly. Oh my I got sucked in! I got sucked in by the scam! I really regret buying 20 acres of moon from these people while we've been recording this. Oh my god, this is... I can't believe I didn't notice this but I was writing this. That's insane. There are a dozen fraudulent sites out there claiming they can sell you my land. They cannot. They have no legally

registered claim, only I do. None of them have a registered trademark either, nor media, nor copyright as they claim only the Lunar Embassy does, no matter what others say on their sites you are not getting valid, legally claimed extraterrestrial real estate issued by the lunar embassy. You'd feel pretty bloody stupid if you'd bought from them, wouldn't you? Yeah, just to find out that it's just completely worthless. Somehow you actually managed to get to the moon within the next 30 years. And they're like, oh, you've got moon acres. Congratulations, Dennis, to.

like oh you've got moon acres congratulations Dennis Hope was right this is all real let me just look at you certificate oh yeah yeah yeah the one of the odd websites I see what's gelled for you yep so there are dozens of these yeah see the trademark isn't registered so so I dug also a little bit into his galactic government. As I said, there is a 100-page constitution that sets up the bodies of government that will govern the moon and so forth. I'm going to read a quite long screed to you here, but this is from the Galactic Government's Declaration of Independence. independence. While respecting the history of the United States of America on

the planet Earth, we the property owners and soon to be dual citizens of both celestial property and earth countries do appreciate the words in essence of the Declaration of 1776. There comes a time when all persons must break away from the constraints and misconceptions of the perceived good. Humm. Human history... Yep. must break away from the constraints and misconceptions of the perceived good. Human history... Yep. Human history has showed the citizens on planet Earth when governments enact arbitrary laws

that are ambiguous, self-serving and counterproductive to certain unalienable rights that are amongst these. Absolutely. I'm just imagining Lin-Wan-Manua Miranda wrapping this. Good. And that is probably the best way to learn about politics. We are entering an age of universal knowledge replete with the dynamics of the human experience. Our pioneering spirit has been awakened. We seek the satisfaction of not only owning celestial lands, but also inhabiting, developing, and nurturing them as well.

In keeping with the traditions of governments as we see them through history, we find boundless intervention to stop the fulfillment of all humans to exercise our rights to possession of these truly inalienable lands. When it comes to past that provision of expection of their provisions of their, well, unless there's aliens on throwns. Right a go for them, well the bulldozer I assume. When it comes to past the provision of expected access to these names is denied by the governments, it becomes the responsibility of the citizens and property holders of these celestial bodies to take drastic actions. Oh my god.

He is encouraging moon terrorism, I believe. There's no other way to really read that. Conceptually we see the truth as being self-evident that all people are created equal. Government's actions do not seem consistent with this concept, and so we are adapting accordingly. It is because of the actions of the governments on planet Earth that we the landlords on planet earth that we the landlords of the celestial lands in the solar system, including all moons and planets as we know them, and foratically achieved our resolve to become a free sovereignty. As a free sovereignty, it is our desire to create a working relationship with the governments of planet Earth, so foundations and mutual respect might be achieved early in our growth.

Okay, who's the first country that's going to meet with this guy do you think? That's a wonderful question. I'm going to assume it's one of the micro nations because like that's some real, you're, you other's nationhood yeah by being like well I'm a real country and you're a real country oh that's great it's if we hadn't lost um if we hadn't lost hot river it could have been there tragic RIP and peace if we're not for decades of historic records showing the monumental steps made in support of human rights by the earth governments we recognize that we would have little chance to succeed with our the the the the the the the the the their the Earth governments, we recognize that we would have little chance to succeed with our quest. It is because of the lessons learned from the Earth governments that we are capable

of rational expectations that we will succeed in our bid for sovereignty. I think that's pretty big of them to throw a bone to the Earth governments, credit where credits are the land area of about a million times that of the Earth. combining all the planets, more than millions, billions times more, so very generous on them. Absolutely. So, you know, well done you, they say. We can laugh at this, right? What a silly claim. Well, according to these guys, this has been signed off on by none other than Hillary

Clinton herself. President of the United States. This is a quote from the website again. The Galactic Government created in 2004 and the businesses organized under the jurisdiction of the Galactic Government are recognized by the United States. The United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton verified the sovereignty of the Galactic Business Cooperation Act of 2005. Can I guess, can I guess then?

I would love you to. That he did this by ignoring an insane letter? No, it's better than that. What it is, is that, well, from what I saw, so he sent this to the Patent Office, which was insane. But they said, sure, yep, here's your patent on this. And the, I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the the the the that, that, that, is, is, that, is, is, is, that, is, is, the the that, that, is, that, is, their, sure, yep, here's your pattern on this. And the, I think an international copyright issued by the United States has the signature of the Secretary of State on the cover letter of the document? Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Just like how all US currency has the signature of the treasurer on it. Yeah, so every coin you have is signed by the treasurer. Yeah. Not the treasurer, whoever the f the f the f the f the f the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thiia the the United thia thia thia the United the the the their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their is is their is their is their tha.a.a.uiauiauiauauiauauauauauauauauauauau.auia.a.sa.a.sa.sa.sia.a. their their their the signature of the treasurer on it. Yeah, so you know, every coin you have is signed by the treasurer.

Yeah. Not the treasurer, whoever the fucking person is. He issued a statement when this happened. I am pleased that the United States has recognized the galactic government in our works. We have been working to provide equality for all, both governs and economically. Having the United States of America as a partner is gratifying and humbling. Thank you the US for acknowledging that we own the Moon and also a bunch of other planets. You might be asking yourself at this point, fantastic. This man's been in government for 16 years.

Yep. I'm sure they're going well, but what's happening with them? I don't have a recent update for you, but I do have an update from 2009, so five years after the government was founded. This is from their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thoenonononononon. Weauioananananoanuioenon. I thoanoanoom. I thoom. I'm thoom. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thioome.oome.oome.oome.oome.oome...oome..oome. I, th. I, th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm thiii. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thea.o thea.o to to to to to to theauuuuuu th.uu th. th.uuuu th. I'm th.u update for you, but I do have an update from 2009, so five years after the government was founded. This is from their newsletter. The future holds so many possibilities for us. We also believe within the next five to ten years, the lunar to the moon building the first lunar city, New Hope City. This will... Five to ten years, so that has not? No it has not. They've gone over their expiry date by by by by by by to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their toda. toda. toda. toda. their future. their future. their future. their future. their future. their their their their their their the years, so that has not come to pass. No it has not. They've gone over their expiry date by one year so far. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I mean, all projects run a little bit over time.

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3 kilometers tall is the most insane part of this claim to me. Well, I guess you can build a bit easier on the moon because of the lack of gravity? You can. But just like, by comparison, the tallest building in the world is 828 meters tall tall. And that was constructed by a professional architect and teams of builders. Sure. This is a crazy man and he wants to build a 3 kilometer tall pyramid on the moon. I mean, like, this is the same thing as claiming that you have real estate on Venus, right? Like, none of this is going to happen. I think it's not. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th as claiming that you have real estate on Venus right? Like none of this is going to happen. Why not say that it's going to be 20Ks by 20 Ks and you know. It's the specificity that's undoing him I think here though because it's all well and good to have this never been challenged in court claim

that you are in the moon to be like setting hard deadlines for building impossible structures. Yeah that you're not doing that a. that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that a that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. the. thi. the. the. the. definitely going to live to see pass. Yeah, you know I mean like that is the that's that's the crucial error here. You're not doing that a what was that guy who kept predicting the end of the world and then just fucking died. Yeah yeah you know like he was smart. That was a good choice on his part. This will provide a venue large enough to handle agriculture, livestock,, theaters, amusement centers, restaurants, golf brackets, inside of course. Hospital, housing. Oh good, I didn't want to sound insane. Luxury condos, business suites, government officers for the galactic government in the

lunar embassy, as well as any government on earth that wants to have an embassy there. We will have everything necessary for all humans to have the comforts of home as they do on Earth. Hopefully the New Hope City project will begin sometime in 2011 and be finished sometime in 2015. We will use solar energy and helium three reserves to power our city and our modes of transportation. On that note, I would ask any of you for suggestions for the type of transportation that would work on the moon. Got everything else worked out. We've got the pyramid sorted. We've thought that through.

Got the moon theater sorted, that's fine. Moon golf, masted. Now do you ever see some sort of a finiculous organization there or our premise is that we do not want to have to build roads. So any type of homicraft, flying the flying, flying, flying, flying, flying, to flying, to flying, to have to build roads. So any type of homicraft, flying car, or flying anything would be appreciated from you. So if you guys can invent the flying car in between then and now. Great. Just contact us at lunar embassy.com

and we will take the suggestion. If we select your idea for creation of these vehicles, we will provide you with a 1,77.5 acre of property on the moon in one of the richest areas with helium 3 reserves. Please remember that helium 3 is valued at $125,000 per ounce on earth. And I have one final thing here. He signs off his 100-page constitution from two addresses. The first, this is from Dr. Dennett, oh, he's made himself a doctor in this, Dr. Dennis M. Hope, CEO, brackets, celestial executive officer, president.

The first address is the Galactic Government Headquarters, located at 100 to 400 Galaxy Way number two, New Hope Plaza, New Hope City, Sea of Tranquility, Moon of Earth. The second address is from the Galactic Government Satellite Office, 241B Main Street, Rio Vista, California. And he'll probably just set up forwarding address on the second one. Sure, yeah. All of that's going to the mood eventually. Alright, so I feel like...

You hope that he's got his Amazon account set to the right one though, otherwise he's gonna be able to buy the right, you know. You gotta go to the distribution center in Rio Vista when you're sitting there in the sea of tranquility. The shuttle's not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming not coming th th sea of tranquility. The shuttle's not coming back for another couple of months. Yeah. I feel like this is one of those things where my previous understanding of the moon certificates as being joke gifts was probably more useful to have in my brain than knowing that there is a four-decade long saga of a man claiming ownership of the moon. Oh, absolutely. I'm furious at knowing this now.

And I'm sure that I've pushed valuable memory space out of the way now. I don't think I know my son's birthday anymore. But I think that now I just have this like, yeah, four decades long moon dispute lodged in my brain and I can never get it out. You are so welcome. Every time I look at the moon I'm just going to think, what do I what Dennis Hope is doing? Well thank you so much for coming on the show. We've been doing it for quite a while and it was always going to be tough choosing what the theme would be. I have been keeping an eye out for particularly good ape news for a while. Sure, sure. Well this is very much you've really nailed in my what's in my wheelhouse here so so thank you. Yeah. Can I can I, can I plug my podcast real quick?

I would love for you to plug all of the many many things that you do. I'm just going to do one. I'm gonna, me and Michael Hing do a podcast called Fréd, to go to a good home, which is now kind of once every two two toe. toe. toe. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. to. to. t. t. tog. t. And, t. t. And, th. And, th. And,two weeks, we go through classifieds and talk about them. You've been a guest on it a couple of times. We lost your audio once. Mm-hmm. Yes. No, actually we've had audio fuckups both types. Oh good. Which has been great. Yeah. But yeah, you can get that wherever you get this podcast probably. I'd I'd say so. It is a very wonderful podcast. I'd th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to th. to th. th. th. to to th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. to to th. to th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. th. to. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. podcast. I would recommend it to everyone. I know we have a lot of crossover in listenership, but if you're not already listening to it, please do. Also, are you still doing a newsletter? Because the ones of those that I've read are fucking fantastic. Oh, yeah, I do the idiot report, which is a newsletter substack. It's idiot report. And yeah, I'm going to put something out on there soon. It's like the the their their their thi. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I to to to th. I's th. I's to th. I's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I the. I the. I the. I'll the. I'll the. I'll the. I's the. the. the. the. the. thi. the. the. the. the something out on there soon. It's like a mixture of essays and short stories and things that are stopping me from tweeting stuff because I'm just trying to tweet less, man.

I think we all should be. No one should be on their website. It's not a newsletter where you'll get like things that are just like 140 characters, but it's like rather than do a twea. like actually put some thought into it and write it up as an essay. Or, you know, and then I also do some short stories which are like, you know, speculative fiction, also just bullshit. Maybe I'll write something about moon on the ship. I hope you do. Please do.

Theo, have you got anything you'd like to plug? Just the podcast that I'm on, Buntavista. Have it a head of it. Know what I hate to see. It might be tomorrow. Oh well. I just don't know. It might take years. I wonder when they're going to destroy your face. It may seem silly, but I don't like what's been coming down. It may seem silly, but I don't like what's been coming down. Because you've been looking good too long to change your color down.

Oh well, they might test some bombs and scar your skin. I don't think they care so so I wonder when they're going to destroy your face. I hope I'll see you in the sky at night when I get old. I hope I'll see you in the sky at night when I get old, I hope you'll look about the same as when I was boring. Oh well. It gets me to gasping.

When I think about what they might do. I wonder when they're going to destroy your face. Well, you sure look good in the sky at night. And it's sad to say You won't shine so bright Someday. When they're through with you. I get you tea how we meet and covers of ballet. I wonder if you might be fine.

A shroud like that someday. I'm worried about it. It makes me sigh. I just can't help it. I wonder when they're going to destroy your face. It might be tomorrow. I just don't know. It might be tomorrow. I just don't know. It might be here's I wonder when they're going to destroy your face. you