Boonta Vista - EPISODE 18: Highway To The Stranger Danger Zone

Episode Date: October 5, 2017

This week Theo and Andrew are giving you an update on the week's happenings in Australia including all the latest sex criminal news, our new semi-regular segment Where's Warnie? and all the latest news in bullshit artist holistic fraud merchant crime & punishment. In other news Lucy returns to us this weekend, and we got new mics so hopefully the sound is better! You can subscribe on Patreon for exclusive bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Don't forget to rate & subscribe on iTunes if that's your thing. _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: http://pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb Ear Buds Network: http://earbudsnetwork.com

Earbuds, Melbourne's podcast network. Earbuds network. Hello. And we're back, we're back after a little hiatus. We had technical issues, we had all kinds of stuff. My computer imploded like a dying star and I just have to fumble around for a good stretch of time to fix it because let's be real who has the money to buy a new Macbook just right off the bat? Nobody. Nobody. Literally nobody. Tim Cook that guy's got to save up for a while if he wants one of his fancy new Macbooks. He gets his free that's how he's so rich. Every time he's running out of money he just can I get another dozen Macbooks sells them all on eBay. I was just thinking, it doesn't have to, it's like the avocado, you stop eating,

stop buying Macbooks and you can also be a billionaire. Yeah. Or get him free. Get yourself off into a position where you can get him free. So that's what's been going on there. Apologies for the, for the little absence. We are back. And what episode number is this, thi. And, and th. And, and th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, it, it, it, it, the the, it's, it, it, it, it, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Stop. the, stop. Stop. the, stop. the, stop. the, stop. the, stop. the, stop. the, stop. the, stop. the, stop. the, stop. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the to, stop. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop. Stop, stop. Stop, stop episode number is this this week? Well, thank you, Theo. Depending, all depends. All depends on when. Look, in the official Buntavista Canon timeline, it will be episode 18 at whatever point it is that it comes out. We have also recorded an interview with Jesse Farrar from Your Kickstarter Sucks, an author of Ask the Old Football Coach, his book available now on Amazon and other places. So yeah, that's going to come out somewhere around this episode. And that one's technically episode 17.

So you know, whatever order you would like to listen to them in. It's as if we haven't fucked up at all. They're all just coming out. Look, if you want to, you can just stop this recording here, because you've realized that you haven't heard the episode before this, that we might not have released yet by the time you're listening to this. So you can just cut it off now, wait until the other one comes out, listen to that first, know that you've heard them in order, and then come back and listen to this one. If you are a raging

pedant, if you're extremely physically. Yeah, if you're hanging out with us, pedantry, that's our deal. So you'll be pleased to know that Lucy will be back with us next week. She'll return from polluting the shores of Europe. Taking in the sights by getting too drunk at hostels to go out and see the sights. That's how I understand she's been doing her trip. And Ben will be back in one month from his big trip to the US. I would love it when he comes back if he can tell us all about the alt-right rally he organized or attended if you want to put that in scare quotes for Ben. Because that seemed pretty interesting.

That seems like a pretty weird vibe. An alt-right rally for a day. Absolutely. And it'd be good for those people that are just sort of counting down the days when they don't have to just hear us anymore. You know, if they've got their favorites, it isn't us, that's fine. And then Ben and Lucy will be back soon, and then they can go back to counting down the days till they're dead, which we're all doing. Yeah, I mean if you don't like listening to us, that's cool. The joke's not on you for just listening to this one and not hearing your precious, your precious Ben and Lucy.

That's fine. We're not mad. Not offended, we're not mad. We're not seething. Anything like that. Normal, normal stuff, normal behavior from the two of us. Hopefully, hopefully it is relatively clear that we've got some new microphones. Maybe there will be a noticeable improvement in sound quality as you're listening to this. Hmm. What are we, what are we working with here? We are working with the classic.

The classic workhorse mic is sure, SM 58. Sure. Um, with, if you really care, with X2U, USB, XLR interfaces. And, um, tell you what, top bit of kit. My full, my full recommendations. I wish we were getting paid for this investment. Oh, I wish we're getting paid. So, you know, in the spirit of that, we should chest them out and maybe just, maybe just try out some of our favorite phrases into the new microphones to see how they sound.

Let me, let me startthis off. Chonch. You can really hear that. Uvillate, I'd say. Stop now. Don't email my wife. That's what she said. That's what she said. That sounds good. Yeah, Bazinger. Buzinger. Yeah, it feels good. Feels good. Rich, full. And as funny as, as every time I hear it on the Big Bang Theory. Yeah, well, I mean, you've got to work your way up. That kind of expertise.

Uh, so we thought we'd do a little wrap-up of what's been in the news. What's been in the news this week? A bit of a grab bag this week. Yeah. Theo has been keeping track of the news and he tells me that there is a trend in this week's Australian news. Yeah, it seems to be, and I know this is very exciting for us and our listeners, it's a big week in sex criminal news, thia th listener, you might actually be on this list, I'm not sure. Yeah, it seems to be...

We didn't plan it this way. I think the... We haven't been waiting for this to happen. No, I think all the stars have aligned behind a bush in a dark alley on your walk home from the bus station. So big week and sex crime. Hmm. So there's the pretty high profile event at Channel 7. We love our terrestrial TV channels because you know a pure garbage free to air TV.

And we don't you know wish for their inevitable death at the hands of streaming services. Yep. I certainly don't sit around just relishing, relishing the impending bankruptcies. Yeah and continuing unsurprising stories out of these shitty places. But yeah, of course this cadet was dismissed immediately after making sexual harassment complaint against an older male colleague. It seems like the complaint made against her was fabricated. She was denied her support person at the meeting, which is in breach of her, you know, union enterprise bargaining agreement.

It's just, I think, you know, good handling and good PR for Channel 7. I think, I think this will play well for them with, you know, I think the older, 60-70-year-old demographic people are still watching Channel 7 who believe that young lesbians should not have a place in the older, 60-70-year-old demographic people are still watching Channel 7 who believe that young lesbians should not have a place in the workplace. So, you know, that's all good stuff really. It was very classy all around and of course Channel 7 already have their history of how they deal with internal HR matters around 6. Well, there was the lady who, there's the lady who, there's the lady who, there's the lady, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th.. th. the the the their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the th. th. the the the the the the the th. the th. the th. the th. th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. I the. the. I the. I the the the the. the the. the. the th internal HR matters around six. There was the lady who, there was the lady who had the affair with the CEO of Channel 7.

And then that was suddenly a huge thing because... Oh cool. Didn't they just like put absolute shitloads of time and effort and money into discrediting that woman and destroying a reputation and everything like discrediting that woman and destroying a reputation and everything like that because the affair went public. That was a very good look. Certainly doesn't suggest any kind of patent of behavior. No, I think you can't really look into these things and say, oh, they keep happening over and over again. There might be something wrong there. I

I think what you really want to do is just plow over it immediately and just continue on working exactly the same. Yeah, I like that some of the things that Channel 7 did apparently, which according to people who have worked there previously is very common behavior is that as soon as they get wind, um, the wind, um, yeah, the that, um, the th-s, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, th, th-uh, th-uh, th-uh, th-uh, th-uh, tho, tho, tho, their, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, their, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, apparently, which according to people who have worked there previously is very common behavior, is that as soon as they get wind, that somebody internal to the company has a problem, like they are being sexually harassed by a senior colleague, they immediately start going through all of that person, all of the complainants' emails and messages and everything on their work phone to find any instances where they have complained about anything happening at work

so that they can then say, you're a troublemaker. Look at all this garbage. And as you alluded to earlier, they also fabricated, they fabricated a complaint against this cadet and the name that they put on it was like one of her best friends at work. Yeah I don't know how that works like they've just pulled a name out of the hat and go well here's one person better not look into this any further. Well apparently what they what they did was they just found one of her emails that she had sent to this colleague of hers who I think was also a member a a the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the th. the the th. th. their, th. th. th. their, the. the. the. the. the. the. their, the. their, the. the. their, their, the. the. the. the. the. the. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the. their, their, their, their, their, their, theateate. theate. their, theate. the. the. the. the. they did was they just found one of her emails that she had sent to this colleague of hers who I think was also a member of the cadet program In which she had complained about something at the workplace and he had responded like yes, I am also mad about this

And that went, oh, this guy has complained that you made him mad Yeah, when it came out he said he, oh I see, I see. Yeah, that he immediately went to them and said, why have you put my name on a complaint? I have never complained about her. I absolutely support her in her accusations and everything, and they went, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, quiet, sweet. No, no, no. Hmm. Yeah, it's good times. Yeah, so Channel 7 is still, still shitty. Yep. Apparently, it's a little shitty place to work.

Yeah. I guess we'll skip over Channel 8 straight to Channel 9. Where, I don't know, I like this story, uh, not because, you know. I had this story, not because, you know... Not the subject matter. I had to just turn off my speakers before the fucking autoplay video blasts onto the podcast. So, thanks, news.com. to do you. Yeah, no, I don't enjoy the story for the subject matter. I wish you'd stop saying that to, you know, my wife, my family. But, Channel 9 star, Ben McCormick, um. I, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I to, I to just, I to just, I to just, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I, I to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I to, I, I, I to, I to, to, to, to just, to just, to just to just to just to just, to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just, I to just, I to, you know, my wife, my family.

But Channel 9 star, Ben McCormick, who used to be a journalist with Channel 9, has been sentenced for being a pedophile. And some of the quotes out of this are just insane. So Ben McCormick did his best to conceal his identity when he embarked on a revolting fantasy talk about sex with boys and boasted of being a proud peed proud bee lover. He used a fake name, Oz for Skin Boy? Fuck. I'm a thrown. Whoa. I like this next bit that he lied about his age saying he was 28 when he was actually in his 40s.

I'm a fresh-faced 28-year-old. Yes, yes. Well, that makes it closer to appropriate. No, not even close to Ben. Yeah, it was that thing at the end. I don't know why I'm reading through. I actually did a summary of all this and now I'm just scrolling through the article trying to find all the pull quotes that I've already pulled.

It's nothing more than fantasy talk he said. That fantasy included extremely explicit talk about sex with to Piedos. I really want to hear that voice over guy from MediaWatch do this. I love chatting to Pitos. There is no time that someone can present you with a chat log in which you have typed out the phrase, I love chatting to Pidos, and hit enter, that is like it's where it's going to go well, you know? Oh, I got. Yeah.

In July 2015, when asked if he would always be a P, he said, I'll always have that attraction. They are beautiful. Oh, well, there you go. Him and Jermaine Greer have something in common. Um, so I don't understand it. I don't understand why you would go and put on permanent record in text, you know, all of these things. If you understand it, we'd love to hear from you. If you can mail in, um, because I don't understand what's going on. Well, yeah, I mean, you never write any of yours down in a th. th. th. th. th. th. can DM at I'llibotian, just say, hey, I heard you'd like to know what it's like to be a pitafile. Um, make sure. I heard you say recently, I love chatting to pettos. I heard, I heard an, an taken out of context audio snippet. So if you can if you can get that message going to to at Elyboshen that would be

that would be wonderful. And just another little like last little ironic cherry on the top it was McCormick who famously chased heydad star Robert Hughes, big old piece of shit Robert Hughes to Singapore in 2010 to confront him over sex abuse allegations. So truly it takes one to no one. Well maybe he was actually after some tips. You know? How have you got away with it for some of all? But then he realized he had to charge it to work expense so may as well.

May as well get a story out of it. Yeah it does make you wonder that whole thing like, it's funny I have a friend who, who... He's a bigger phone? No. I have a friend who was a private investigator for a long time. I used to live with him and he was a private investigator and part of that included like doing a lot of work insurance claims. So that extended to like Comcare kind of stuff where people would have accusations about like workplace bullying and inappropriate conduct and that sort of stuff. And so often his job was to come in and

talk you know interview all the different parties and as part of this he would get access to all of everybody's communications from the workplace. And he put it to me as like, in all these situations, everybody lies to you, you just have to figure out who is lying the most and about which important parts, basically. But he said that there was always this point where he would interview somebody who had you know been been bullying or sexually harassing colleagues or something like that doing a bunch of inappropriate stuff and he had had access to their emails they could go through it all and had always you know like a cropped up a couple of very incriminating things in which they had explicitly stated the things the things that thin thin th thin that th th th thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin they thin they would they would they would thin thin they would thi they would thin thi always, you know, like cropped up a couple

of very incriminating things in which they had explicitly stated the thing that they had been doing and intended to keep doing and he would interview these people and they would insist and no, didn't do anything wrong I, this is all baseless, blah, blah, blah, and he said, uh, and he would sit there and let them keep going for a while and there would always be a point of the interview in which he would take a printed out email place it on the table and to slide it across to them and say all right could you just explain that to me and he said the number of the number of those interviews that ended with like middle-aged public servants crying in an office to him.

It just makes, yeah, that whole scenario to me seems like that's very much what it would be like for Ben McCormick being interviewed by the police stating, no, nope, none of this sounds familiar to me, it's very inappropriate. I have no idea what you're talking about. And they're like, is that you speaking or is that Oz for Skin Boy speaking? And at some point somebody just puts down a printed piece of paper with I love chatting to Pidos written in the middle of it slides it over to him. What's that all about Ben? Well actually hang on that statement is not actually would not be actually untrue for the domain of his job. Maybe he just loves

his job. I love interviewing pito's for good ratings. Yes. Would maybe be, you know, you could tie that back to work a little bit more. But yeah, so enjoy prison, Ben. And stop being a pito as soon as possible. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah. I would say it's not preferable for him to be a pito or anybody. How about this? This podcast does not endorse his behavior. No, yeah, I think, would you say anti-pito podcast? I'm gonna say it. I know it's a big leap, but this is officially an anti-pido zone. Bit of a divide in the nation at the moment, but I think, yeah, we need to be brave and come out as anti-pito.

Yeah, I feel like, you know, there's a lot, like, you're right, there's a lot of division in the country at the moment, but I think we can all come together around the idea that pitos. Pito's not good. Yeah. So, um... Folks, have you heard about these Pudos? Have you seen this? Have you heard about this? It's not good. It's not good, folks.

Uh, look, in other, um, dirty old sex criminal news, RIP, Hugh Hefner. Yeah. Rest in peace. Uh, there's a man with a mixed legacy. Absolutely, yeah, the needles kind of spinning from extreme to extreme, like in the bits for Hugh, because it seems like he did. I mean, look, I'm no expert. It seems like he did a lot of good work.

He was a, you know, women you know in a lot of regards in you know their reproductive rights and all that sort of stuff and yet he's probably I would say used the promise of fame to get at least like a thousand women to suck on his horrible old prune until a little puff of dust came out. So, who's to say what's right and what's wrong? Yeah, I read a, I read a snippet of, what's her name, I think Holly Madison, who was one of the, one of the three girls that lived with him when they all like had a reality show, Well that shit. The, the, what was that called? Anyway, some reality show that she was on and after she stopped living there, she went on

to write a book about how it was really not great being one of few girlfriends. And yeah, there was an account of the first time that she stayed over there. And she had kind of been led to believe that, you know, you don't have to sleep with Hugh to be one of his girlfriends. You'd just hang out and be nice to him. And was disabused of that notion on the first night that she was there. Yeah, this is the old, you know, you don't have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to to the to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the old you know you don't have to stay back at work here we're not going to force you to it's just it's 530 no one else is left yet. Well it yeah it just sounded like a pretty sad picture really of a bunch of playmates all get to a room with Hugh Hefner

who was blasting hardcore porno from several TVs, jerking off by himself in a bed as the girls all kind of put on a play erotica demonstration for him. But as Holly Madison described it, he's also by this point very deaf and mainly the girls were just laughing at him and making jokes about him throughout this whole thing. And I was like, it would sound that great for anybody, really? So you know, R.O. Peter Hugh and I guess my deepest condolences to whoever has to like pressure wash out the grotto before they sell that place. Yeah, and sorry for anyone who owns by agra shares. Yeah, he didn't even, they didn't even, they're that place. And sorry for anyone who owns by agra shares.

Yeah, he didn't even, didn't even own the Playboy mansion in the end, did he? I have no idea, but I can't imagine getting the bond back. Well, I think for a really long time, they had sold it and were like renting it. And apparently it was in an enormous state of disrepair to go to its glory days. I loved all the stories about the grotto in the it's just this filthy sex pit of... God, can you imagine cleaning the filters? Oh. In that thing. Having to get like little Wayne's jizz out of the pipes.

Just one of those little fish tank scoops, you know? Get all the strays? Tiny little hoover, sucking up condom after condom. It was funny a little while ago when I took my, took one of my daughters to us swimming lessons and all of a sudden everybody was just getting out of the pool. And we were all hustled out of the pool and it became pretty obvious that someone had chat in the pool. And so one of the like teenage girl lifeguards at this local fall has this this has one of those like pool scoop things but on like a fucking 40 foot

long pole just like teetering over and trying to try to scoop this like milky way sized turn off the bottom of the pool. And I was like just just jump in and get it come on like it's not gonna get it's not getting on you just by virtue of being in the same water you know but yeah I imagine it'd be a little more insidious in the in the grotto where it's all just sort of floating around like the remnants of a poach egg. Yep. Used condoms stuck to people's backs, that kind of stuff.

Yeah. So there's your beautiful legacy, Hugh. No, like you said, it has been interesting to see people alternating wildly back and forth from, yeah, but you know, he published lots of stuff by black riders and he was against racism and lots of other things too. Also he exploited tons of women and he also published underage pictures in his magazine and he published nudes of Marilyn Monroe without her consent. Yeah, I feel like the bar is so low for you know.

Yeah, of course it's great that he's published black writers in times where it's, you Yeah, I feel like the bar is so low for, you know, yeah, of course it's great that he's published black writers in times where it's, you know, unpopular to do so and that sort of thing, that, you know, the bar is so low for patting people on the back for this stuff that you have to overlook this whole other section of stuff. I don't know. Well, I suppose like, you know, considering, yes, that he was a pornographer for the vast majority of his life, I suppose we could have heard much worse about him, I guess. Yeah, it's say so. But like I said, it's not that high a bar. But as we've said before, if, you know, if any, like, male entertainer or celebrity who has been around for decades, if you're

not supposed to appreciate the work of any guy who's done some shady horrible shit to women, then we, let's just stop, let's stop any of it. No James Brown for you, no John Lennon for anyone. Certainly not for you, the man that hates the Beatles. In conclusion, Hugh Hefner is a land of contrasts. Yes, absolutely. Shockingly, a 91 year old did both good things and bad things in the course of those 91 years. Unbelievable. Yeah.

So does that, do you want to just round out sex criminal watch for us? Yeah I think finally in the last item of sex criminal news, our Ben is currently in Montana. So you know, if you're in... Montana? Montana. I'm going to say it that way. Now I can't, I can't go back and then do my mistake. So, if you're a resident of Montana, say hello to Ben because it's best that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. Yeah, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I th. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I th. Yeah, I thi, I thi, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, and then do my mistake. So if you're a resident of Montana, say a load of Ben, because it's best that you know where he is. Say a little to Ben,

keep those windows locked up tight. Because let's be honest, he is a harny man. So, it's a hugely... But mostly harmless, so... Yes. Well he's a hugely sexual man. Can't wait to have him back. Come back to us, Ben. Me too. Come back. Come back to us. All right, so in other Australian news from the week. In other news about huge pieces of shit.

Yes, another massive Australian piece of shit. Everybody's good friend and healer of all things wrong, Bill Gibson. She has been fined for her crimes against humanity. About against just about everyone at this point. Yeah. Now to anybody who is not familiar with her, and I have seen stories about Bill Gibson popping up in American publications over the last week or so with this news but um yeah Bill Gibson was like a a wellness blogger one of those you know I cured my own autism with flaccid oil kind of kind of folks much worse yeah because not only did she spout a whole bunch of bogus shit, she also, she also claimed

to have had cancer and have cured her own cancer with her diet of vegetables because that's how cancer gets cured, of course. It was not good. It was not good. No, and you know, this is the kind of shit that... Well, I mean, first of all, I think I should state that I think that all of these wellness blogg regardless of claiming to cure cancer or not should be in jail. But specifically, I mean, she...

Um, caused an immense amount of harm to, you know, some of the most vulnerable people in Australia, you know, you think you've got a, you've got a child with cancer and you're reading this stuff and you kind of choose to go with this instead of, you know, every medical professional out there. It's, yeah, it's, it's fucked, but it's not surprising. Yeah, you know, it's holistic approach. But the, it's not surprising to me because I think it's just the escalation of the claims, the, these unchecked claims of these fuckheads. It's just a logical, logical, it's just the logical, logical, it's just the logical, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yeah, the, yeah, the, yeah, the, yeah, the, the, yeah, it's, the, yeah, the, the, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the escalation of the claims, these unchecked claims of these fuckheads. It's just the logical, logical, like, end point for this to say, well, I can cure cancer and I cured my own cancer. Oh no, you didn't and you haven't. And that's not good. So I hope this is like a through line, just personally, I'm just kind of taking this on a little tangent here.

I hope this is a through line for Pete Evans to be thrown in jail. I haven't decided on what charges yet. Yes, Pete Evans is indeed a huge dickhead. There was a piece in the Saturday paper about Pete Evans a little while ago, where they interviewed him about exactly this kind of stuff about his claims that particular........ that, th. that, th, th, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th the, thi thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I this this this this this this this this this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is th, I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi thi, thi theateateateateateateateateateate theateateateate throwne thi thi thi thi thi thi thi him about exactly this kind of stuff about his claims that particular kinds of diet can cure you know cancers and diseases and all this sort of thing and and yeah it was it was interesting because they sort of they sort of tied it to you know other aspects of life now where people have this whole kind of thing of like youto, you know, other aspects of life now where people

have this whole kind of thing of like, well, you can, there's so much information available about everything all the time. That effectively everybody can just filter that information according to what suits the kind of lifestyle they've created for themselves. Yeah, that's right. You're right. You used to either read one of the three books you had in your house or go and see the doctor that was, you know, 20 miles down the road and he'd tell you something that was at least

the best of the human understanding at the time to do. But now, yeah, there's just this overwhelming kind of deluge of information and like you said you know you just filter it through your own through your own beliefs and just arrive at which information you agree with yourself which is not how research works and it's yeah I don't know how you break that that cycle yeah that people can simultaneously you know find all their own information and everything but it's also this this completely it gives you this completely sort of open state to just be able to say, ah, well people should seek their own answers.

People should seek their own information. And... That's like, no, they shouldn't. People are idiots. I'm not a doctor. I'll get my information from a doctor, not for me. Yeah, the Pete Evans interview in the Saturday paper was very interesting. It was by friend of the show Martin McKenzie Murray. Yeah, it was Pete Evans that did the whole bone broth thing. Which as Adam Law pointed out angrily on Twitter, is just fucking stock.

Yes. You're describing stock, mate. Yes. So, you know, here's the interesting link between these two years ago when Evans' cookbook containing recipes for infants was pulped after health officials raised concerns. Oh, I remember this. Quote, in my view, there's a very real possibility that a baby may die if this book goes ahead. And quote, the president of the Public Health Association, Professor Heather Eatman, said at the time, that same week another publisher, Penguin, canceled their own cookbook with fraudulent wellness campaigner Bell Gibson.

So, you know, is is very against water fluoridation, a known neurotoxin, he tells Martin. God this makes me so mad. On Channel 7's Sunday night program last week he made similar assertions. Quote, why are doctors experts in fluoride and what are their qualifications to be up to date with the neurotoxins that fluoride is?" End quote. From Pete Evans. Fucking hell.

Yeah, I don't know like as a society what you can do about this sort of stuff because it's probably, to me, this is one of the most damaging things about the internet and you know, in the last 15 to 20 years especially, you know, really, this sort th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thii, thi, thi, thi, thiolome thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, and, and, thi, and, throooi, and, and, and, in the last 15 to 20 years especially you know really this sort of stuff's really ramped up where this kind of popularist science has taken over from you know what is actually science and you know if you take the fluoride example where I'm from Mackay and and cans before that recently or in the last few years, you know, stopped fluoridating their water due to these sorts of complaints and it's against all scientific reasoning, right? The very understanding of how we know what is right and what is wrong.

And the problem with this is that you or I, you know, we can go to the dentist, we can afford to go to the dentist and we have probably more more accurately we have a dentist nearby that we can go to, that we can fluoride our teeth. People who do not have means or do not, who live rurally, you know, and in cans there are, I know, especially, there are, it's a large homeless population, so what you're doing by taking fluoride out of the water is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the water, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to their, to to to to to to their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their, their their, their, their their their their their their, their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, there are, I know, especially there are, it's a large homeless population. So what you're doing by taking fluoride out of the water is saying, well, we're just going to fuck up the dental health of all of these homeless people who already have it so bad. And it's sort of that kind of, you know, white mill class class privilege that they can choose their own

beliefs against what is actually scientifically true and then apply them to a whole bunch of vulnerable people to just fuck them up. So fuck you, Peter Evans. Well, that's, yeah, it's one of the things that's kind of, uh, staggering to me about stuff like the anti-vaccination movement and that sort of thing, where, again, it's a very, very similar, um, it's a very, very similar vibe of, you know, I have gone and I have gone and I have gone and read some things that support the thing I already wanted to hear and therefore now I know well enough to like not vaccinate my kids or whatever. But you always find in the statistics that the enclaves of you know outbreaks of measles

and that sort of stuff around or like fucking smallpox and that sort of thing. The biggest outbreaks of all of those things are always in these incredibly high income areas. They're always like Silicon Valley, the North Shore and stuff. Yeah, and in suburbs of Melbourne and that sort of thing, absolutely, where they can choose to not do this. And well, even, I would even argue that it's people who have the time and the money to like have the luxury of being able to sit around and think about this kind of shit like the sorts of people who have like the money to read Gwyneth Paltrow's stupid fucking goop website and actually follow some of the advice. Yeah and you know I don't I don't hold a lot of people right like like the the thi. Like to to to the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the time the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money to the money the money the money to to to to to the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th to th th th th to th. th. time. time. time. time. I time. I time. I to try. to time. try. time. time. to time. time. time. thi the time. the thi. the thi. of the advice. Yeah, and you know, I don't hold a lot of people, right, like, I would say that these

people are shitheads, but a lot of people, you know, they don't necessarily have the ability all the time to filter all this information and so they go, you know, oh, I'm not taking my kids get vaccinated and, you know, because Gwinneth Paltrow said so. So I don't lay any of the blame, you know, at their feet. I lay it at the feet of Gwenepeltro and people that give these people audiences, you know, every time these articles kind of come out, it should be just, you know, if we had any semblance of journalistic integrity, at the bottom and at the top probably should be a thing to say, well, note that Captain Farkhead's views here do not represent reality. They should have, you know, counterquotes against, with medical professionals. Yeah, I mean, I think really a lot of this is a failure of reporting and failure of people,

like the publishers, in not denying, you know, we don't let people write opinion pieces on why, you know, adducting children is good, right? There has to be a line where you kind of draw and go, well this is actually harmful. This sucks. That's, um, yeah, I think like that's that's why there seems to be such a problem in journalism over the last couple of years because you know a lot of mainstream publications and networks are so concerned with being seen as impartial and not being seen as biased. And you've got to hear both sides. Got to present equal time to both arguments. That's not how it works. That's that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's why that's why that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's why that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's they they. they. that's they. that's they. that's that's why. that's why. that's why. that's why. that's why. that's why. that's why. Got to present equal time to both arguments. But that's not how it works and I think you know people people lump shit on Wikipedia but one of their

one of their tenants is applying a proportional amount of column inches as far as the evidence goes, right? So if they've got a controversy section, it must be so much smaller than the actual evidence. And they don't give equal time to, it's like, you know... I suppose if there was, you know, a ton, a huge ton of evidence that whatever the controversial thing was had actually happened, then that would just be part of the facts of that person's. That's right. And everything, the the the the the the the the the th th th th th they they they they they they they's they's they's they's they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've got they've they've got they've got they've got they've got they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've th. th. th. th. th. So, th. So, tho. So, tho. tho. tho. So, tho. So, their tho. So, they've got their their the was had actually happened, then that would just be part of the facts of that person. That's right, and everything else goes under the controversy section, right? Which is then rebuked with actual evidence. And that's, you know, I think it's, yeah, it's just an indication of the journalistic kind of landscape that we live in.

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the horse, who didn't fuck the horse. All I'm saying is we just got to give, you know, a holistic approach to say, oh, you know, Peter Evans probably fucked the horse. Hmm. Hey, here's my favorite horse fucking story. While we're on the subject was... Oh, you have multiple horse fucking stories. Yeah, yeah. I got him banked away. I always remember reading it.

What bank is that? The horse, horse come bank. So I just remember reading this, this news story once about a guy who died while he was fucking a horse, right? And was it Mr. Hans? Was it? I don't know. I'm asking you. Maybe. Was he fucking the horse or getting fucked by the horse?

Well, this was the twist in the tail is that when I read a headline that says man dies fucking horse. Yeah, you assume he's been fucked to death. No, well my mind was like, oh so he's like trying to fuck the horse and the horses kicked him or something, you know, and like and stove his head in or something like that. I picture a man on a on a step ladder, you know, perhaps a stepstool, attempting to to fuck the horse. But that was not the case because the cause of death on this guy's death certificate was perforated colon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, yeah. And then maybe go, oh, oh, you died from fucking the horse, I see. It's a whole, it's just not what I was picturing. I was picturing the step ladder and just goes to show what I know about fucking horses. We should ask a noted horse fucking expert, Pete Evans.

What he thinks his medical opinion is on. How do you go about fucking all those horses, Pete Evans? Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's this week's news in charlatans and frauds. We need a whole section of this. Hmm. Well, I feel like we really buried the lead on that whole Bell Gibson thing because she has now been fined $410,000. Yes. For misleading people with her claims that she cured cancer.

Yeah, sorry, I thought about Pete Evanson. I just got flown, flew away with anger. Yeah, so, Bill Gibson, you are a great big dipshit. I remember when she did that interview, she went on TV and just totally defended herself, didn't really apologize to anyone, didn't even turn up in court to get handed down this fine. So all I can say is I hope she enjoys being bankrupt and having a payback half a million

dollars for being a huge fraudulent dip shit. Yeah, I mean like Pete Evans is a is a cock and an idiot but I think I think I think I think Bell Gibson is an actual sociopath. Yeah, I mean like her... I think there's something pathological here that's... I think there's a difference between... Yeah, there's a difference between Pete Evans being a huge dipshit in the sense that he obviously has this idea of himself as you know knowing better than anyone else about health, food, all that sort of stuff. Whereas Bell Gibson like raised money from people on the basis of I have cancer and the way that she was

able to get away with claiming to have cured her cancer was by never having cancer in the first place. Well it's the perfect crime isn't it? Yeah, well if I didn't cure my cancer then where's the cancer hot shot? Yeah incredible. Yeah. So yes I completely agree that that is on a whole other level of malicious intent and and well not just like you can you can chalk a lot of Pete Evans of stuff up to straight ignorance to filling his head with a bunch of stupid alternative medicine bullshit, whereas Bell Gibson's thing was very actively, I have gone out of my way to concoct a story about having cancer and having cured the cancer so that I can then sell you a book that says that you two can cure cancer with zucchini.

It's one simple trick, doctors hate it. Yeah, so eat shit, Bill Gibson. Hmm. We've got a new segment here that we're gonna run whenever it comes up, and it comes up surprisingly frequently. I have a new segment called, Where's Warnie? Have a new segment of Wani Watch. Because every? Have a new segment of Warney Watch. Because every now and then you might find yourself thinking,

I wonder what Australian cricket legend, Shane Warn, is currently up to. Yeah, and I mean that's what I was doing, and I think we put the question out there in the universe kind of. There's a tweet and I can't remember who it's by, I thought it was by Elinor, you know, and th, and th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thin, thi, th it was by Eleanor, you know, at Marrowing, but I don't think it was, but about having a spidey sense tingling for when Amanda Palmer is about to say something fucking stupid. And I think our spiety senses were tingling. So, oh, what's Australia's favourite cr-cricotter up to? Has Shane Wan taken a break from lustily commenting on every young woman's Instagram photo on the internet to maybe get out of the house? And he has.

He has gotten out of the house. And allegedly, which he vehemently denies, has punched an adult film star in the face, and allegedly, which he vehemently denies, has punched an adult film star in the face in a nightclub. Again, allegedly, he's been cleared of any wrongdoing by the police. But Valerie Fox, who is a glamour model and a porn actress, who has been hanging out with Warnie for a while, has shown up with a huge, huge old lump on her face and reckons he's to blame so, you know. And look, you know, it's a good thing that the police in London have never like helped any

minor celebrities escape any kind of issues. No, I think we can agree on that. Yeah, the UK doesn't have any weird problems with her obsession with minor celebrities. That's fine. I'd say a while, man, when I went to England, that was the thing that just really blew my mind the most about it is like, yeah, just how much of their culture is just that kind of panel show. Oh yeah. Be grade celebrities, just all these people you never

heard of, they did one thing one time ten years ago and they're still just eking out a living. Yeah like every person who's ever appeared on Big Brother. Yep. Just forever. Just gets a career forever. I did also like the TV channels that were just a busty ladies that you could phone into. You ever see any of them? They're good. No, I have not. One of the hotel.

And yeah, well it's really weird because like, so in Australia once upon a time, I don't know if they still exist. But I remember you used to be watching TV late at night and an ad would come on with some lady in a lace negligee saying, call me, call now. Call me for 595 a minute, I'll tell you how I'm going to wrist you. And um... Sounds awful. Yeah, she like, she's just stubs out a cigarette and...

Give us a call. But it was, you you know it was a recorded ad that just played in a 30-second slot 1295 a minute for every minute after the first minute but these things in the UK like it's a live it's a live thing of like a lady on a bed going yeah phone up and I'll tell you about my titties or whatever so it's like a, what do you call it, the old, um, when you do the charity phone in thing? Yeah, yeah, but like it's not for charity, minus the charity and plus double-ed. And so there's a number on the screen and you can phone in and if someone phones in, her audio gets muted and she talks to them on the the the the the the the the the their...... their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. thi. their. their, thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. Oh, the. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, too. Oh, too. Oh, too. Oh, too. Oh, toe. Oh, too. Oh, what, their their their, their, thes to them on the phone for a bit.

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And, um, yep, I watched a solid like 12 hours of that and it didn't change. That's just what it was. I kept waiting to see what was going to happen. And, um, yeah, so pioneers, pioneers, the British. So shame one, still out there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there, thii and thi and thi and thi and thi and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, pioneers the British. So Shane Warren, still out there, being shitty. Yeah, so I mean, hopefully, if that, if the universe is as bountiful as it continues to be on Shane Warn news, maybe we can make that a regular segment. Yeah. Well, look, the one way in which I think we can tie a regular segment. Yeah. Well, look, the one way in which I think we can tie together, Shane Warren and Bill Gibson,

is the whole fraudulent charity kind of vibe. He had his, he had his charity that he ran for a long time. And a couple years ago, the, the body in Australia that monitors charities and gives them their certification, everything like that that, that's thate thi. tie tie tie tie the the tie thie thie thie thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the to toge toge to toge toge toge to toge toge toge toge toge toge toge toge toge toge toge toge that monitors charities and gives them their certification and everything like that started saying, hey, you haven't actually like declared or disclosed any of your donations for the last like five years. Can we have your paperwork? And they went, uh, no. And they kept putting it off and refusing to hand any of it over. And to the point where the group said, okay, well we're going to suspend your status as a charity if you don't do it, it will only be restored once you actually give us some

of this paperwork. And I think when it finally came out, when they finally handed it over, that they were donating, it was something absolutely shameful, like five cents in the dollar. And basically the entire thing, the whole program was administered by Warnie's brother, so shockingly it wasn't super above board. But his whole charity was that he organized like Celebrity Poker they would just, where Warnie would get to play poker with celebrities and they would have an open bar on and so basically it turned out that Shane Warn's entire charity operation was setting up expensive

nights playing poker with celebrities on the piss for himself and then giving none of the money to charity. That's amazing because I know a bit about the reporting requirements for registered charities in Australia and they are stringent. They do not fuck around so... Yes, they had got to the point where they were like, I think it was a, I think it was the thing where they'd said like we're suspending your status as a charity and it only becomes active again, it becomes active as triggered by you actually disclosing this stuff to us. And yes, it turned out that they were, I think they were technically giving money, but it

was such an incredibly tiny proportion of what they were being donated that it was just hugely clear that Shane Worm was just raking in donations and spending it on himself. So you know, class act. Class act. That's what we love. So, I'm wondering if we should just take a few questions. We're going pretty good for time so I think we've got some got some questions on the live thing that worked pretty well. Yep, got five minutes for some questions. I think I think the first question is a really good one. Oh, yeah, okay.

Fred of the show, Dave Hogan, writes him with a question that relates to the recent and ongoing controversy in the states about professional athletes taking a knee during the national anthem, which seems to absolutely incens and enrage comfortable white people who were just trying to take in their sport. Yeah, they're sort of the smallest brains across the entire of America and all just simultaneously developing a contusion. Yep. They're all out there in the driveway burning their jerseys on camera. Extremely normal stuff. So Dave's, soff. So, Dave's the question is, the, um, their thi-a. the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi-com comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, their, comfortable, comfortable, thi-ci-com-com-com comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, thi-ci-ci-ci-ciful, comfortable, comfortable, their burning their jerseys on camera. Extremely normal stuff. So Dave's question is, how do you think the reaction would play out if an indigenous player

took a knee during the anthem at the NRL grand final tonight? And the thing about this question is you don't have to imagine it. All you have to do is cast your mind back two years to Adam Goods. Their reaction when he, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, thu, thu, thu, thu. E, thu. E, thu. E, thu. E, thu, thu, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi,. All you have to do is cast your mind back two years to Adam Goods. The reaction when he threw the imaginary spear into the crowd, the reaction when he pulled up a girl for calling him a monkey, right? Just even that, which is not even an act of protest. I mean, I think there's a huge amount of similarities between, you know, the treatment of Adam Goods and treatment of people in the sportsmen in America who are taking a knee. Yeah, particularly Colin Kappenick.

Absolutely. Who is by all means a hugely charitable, inspiring man, much like Adam Goods, Adam Goods has done a tremendous amount of charity work, work with indigenous people and that sort of thing. And of course, immediately because they're black, the commentary goes, these fucking ungrateful sportsmen. Yep, it goes to, yes, you should just be grateful for the fact that you are... Grateful we let you on the field. Yep, and yeah, that was very much how it all went with Adam Goods.

Yeah, particularly with the incident with the goal, because as far as I understand it, you know, the AFL is supposed to have their zero tolerance stances on racism and that sort of stuff.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. You th. You th. You th. th. th. You th. th. You th. You thate, thate, thate, you are thate, you are thate, you are thate, you are thateateateateate, you are that sort that's that's that's the AFL is supposed to have their zero tolerance stances on racism and that sort of stuff on the grounds. And basically, yeah, a girl in the crowd was just screaming racial epithets to his face and he said, hey, you want to get the girl out of here? Yeah. And um, so, you know, I mean, even the fact that she, I think a lot of people had a whole thing that because the girl was quite young, she was in her like early teens, that you're supposed to just say, oh, well, that person's young and young people are dip shit, so it's not her fault. But I would suggest that's number one, you've probably got a better chance of actually reaching people with the idea that that's hugely inappropriate and unacceptable behavior when they are young before they've had it cemented into their brains as adults, past which point a lot of people don't commit any large amount of

change once they get to... Yeah, and I think the other thing about young people, especially at public events is they tend to have parents. Yes so perhaps there was th th their their there there there was there was some some some some some some some some some some their th their th th th th th th th th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thing about young people, especially at public events, is they tend to have parents. Hmm. Yes, so perhaps there was some influence there. Yeah, so maybe there might be some parenting involved. Yeah. So yes, I agree. I very much agree with Theo that you don't really have to imagine I think if an indigenous player took a knee during the Australian I think we'd be having exactly the same conversation. Yes, the only difference is we'd be saying an RL instead of AFL. Yes. Yes, all of a sudden everybody would want to quote unquote keep politics out of sports. Oh yeah and speaking of which okay so I feel as a straight man, um, the absolute worst thing for me that's come out of this

marriage equality debacle is that I have to now nod along in agreeance with and say good job Maclamore. Hmm. So I think I understand a little of what gay people are going through right now. You finally understand. I finally understand. No, it sucks that we have to be having this conversation. So it was grand final weekend. So we do have a couple of a couple more footy related questions here. This one's not really a question. A friend of the show, Amy, says, asking for thoughtful questions the morning after the grand final is anti-Victorian and you should be ashamed. Amy, I put it to you that I do not live in Victoria anymore,

so sucked in. Jokes on you. Uh, We have another one here. A friend of the show, Gabriel Delane, says, my footy team lost a grand final yesterday, so I'm deathly shouted and slightly suicidal. However, it also means that fellow Crowe's supporter, Chris Kenny is in the same position. Should I feel any solace in this? Absolutely. Yes, anything that makes Chris Kenny unhappy is good. Basically.

Chris Kenny's a big old dickhead. Yeah, I wish we could orchestrate him losing a grand final every single year. Yeah, it's a big old dickhead. Just right, it's constant garbage, uh, is, I would kind of say that. I think that Chris Kenny has started to take on in his Twitter, his Twitter presence. He started to take on the role of kind of an Australian Pierce Morgan. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's a great comparison. Yeah, he's someone that nobody likes, is incredibly smarmy and superior and condescending while also seeming to just fundamentally get wrong everything that he's talking about and immediately get dumped on by it.

Yeah, I mean the classic post I'm sure that you're thinking about is when he tweeted, you know, nobody in America dies from lack of health care, you know not being able to pay for health care which kind of goes back to the whole you know conservatives believe that all health care happens in the ER you know yes yes you don't get you can't get your cancer treated in the ER and you know if you go bankrupt you can't feed your children you know obviously he's a tremendous shithead that says incredibly stupid things and it is you know one the thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi teeeeeeeeeeeeeat. teat. teate. thooooooo-c. theate. the the the the endous shithead that says incredibly stupid things and it is one of the things I think keeping me alive, seeing people from America just dunk on him

from a great distance. You know, the gifts. That was a good week. And people then posting gifts of basketball players jumping up the backs of other basketball players for a dunk from the three-point lines, smashing the backboard, which is exactly what happened to him in that occasion, and any other occasion when he posts. Fortunately, the, we do have, you know, horrible, virulent dickheads. Uh-K Kekastani, Pepe the Frog, Avatared, wankers in Australia, replying to all this sort of stuff, but the left have more followers than them, and it's absolutely wonderful to see them get drowned out. Thoroughly out-dunked.

Hey, for any non-Australian listeners, we kind of have our own little internally developed alt-right from the last couple of years. It's called Dingo Twitter, and I thoroughly encourage you to never look into that. Do not ever punch. Don't punch hashtag dingo Twitter into Twitter. Don't look at any of the stuff that they post. Don't listen to them. Basically, there is dumb and full of shit as all of your alt-right Kekastani Pepys, as as Theo has alluded to, the only difference is that there are way less of them. And their concerns is that there are way less of them and their concerns are even dumber. Yeah, so just don't just don't go there leave it alone. Like

file that away just in the back of your brain somewhere that it exists and then take it no further. Yeah so those are those are some of the questions that we got and I think we are just about out of time. We are. So, as we, oh do we have a, we got a crime pass this week? I figured because we haven't done it for ages. I don't think of, actually we haven't done the crime past since I've been on, so. Oh, well, do you have any ideas?

Do you like to... since I've been on so. Oh, do you have any ideas? I did. I absolutely did. And I think a big old crime pass to that guy who fucking cleaned the clock off that Nazi in the streets, you remember? There's a skinhead, big old swastiky- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy in the States and he's gone come on mate and then this guy's about seven foot taller and he he took the challenge and through through an absolutely beautiful right cross straight

to the dude's draw and you know and then immediately all these all the you know not even the right the liberal dipshits in the middle will come out Say you know this is this is you know violence and blah blah and to that I say you know a swasticker on your arm is violence There is no abstraction between that symbol and violence. We all know what it stands for the well I tracked a bit of that as it was happening and people had like taken photos of this dude on the train as he was drinking. He was on the train, he was screaming stuff at people on the train, pick and fights with people and you know some like Antifa people put it out there and said like, hey, if anyone's in the area, was it in Boston?

I don't know actually. I said, you know, if anyone's in the area in this part of town, there's a dude with a full-on Nazi armband trying to get people to fight him. And yeah, and some people fronted up on the streets. According to the police who showed up afterwards, all the reports were that the guy with the Nazi armband was instigating fights with people, was begging, begging people of color to fight him. Someone obliged, someone obliged and cleaned his fucking clock. You don't see people get knocked absolutely unconscious.

Like, you know, you see the fencing reflex, you know, occasionally when someone takes a hit, but he just, he went down and it was like a cartoon where you kind of, several hours later, the title board comes up. Well, and I would put it to you as well for all the old centrist out there who are like, you should have reasoned with him. You should have shown that guy the power of your ideas. According to the police report, they turned up and found this dude and said, oh, have you been assaulted and would you like to file a report?

And he said, no, I have taken off my Nazi armband and I'm going home and I don't want to to to anyone about it. It happened again, oh my god. It's yeah, but anyway I mean I think yeah the concept that there is that free speech is harmless that there are no limits to free speech or I would say consequences to free speech is bullshit and you know we shouldn't enact violence and I would just say that for black people and you know look I don't want to go I don't want to actually say go around punching Nazi because it's not going to be me that it blows back on right you know I'm white I'm straight middle class it's not going to be you know me who cops it's so tactically you know if you don't believe tactically if you you're a queer person or a black person or somebody, you know, you're Jewish, you know, and you don't believe tactically in this stuff, that's

fine. I'm not going to say you're wrong, we should be punching Nazis, right? But if you look at that, especially if you're a white person, right, a straight person, and you look at that and you go, ah, that was, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the their, their, their, their, their, their, if, if, if, if, if you're, their, their, if, if you're, if you're, if, if, if you're, if, if you're, their, their, their, their, their, you're, you're, their, you're, you're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they. th. th. th. th. th. th. thee. thee. thee. th. thee. thee. thee. their, you're, you're, their, if, their, you're a white person, or a straight person, and you look at that and you go, ah, that was, you know, that's the violence, it's not going to get us anywhere. No, it's self-defense. The armband is a promise of violence, it is a promise. Because that's all it stands for. It stands for the genocide of people of people of color, of Jewish people, of queer people. That is what it is. That is what it is. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. th. thi. th. thi. th. th. thi. It's. It's, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It. It's, it. It's, it. It. It's, it. It. It. It's, it. It. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not. It's not. It's not. It's self. It's not. It's self. It's not. It's self. It's self-a. It's self-a. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's, it's, it's, it's is. You may as well just be walking around with an armband on that says I will kill today because that's what it means. This is... I wish you were dead. I wish you were dead. The armband is structural violence. I think that that is the

language we need to be we need to be using because that's what it is. No more, no less than the Confederate flag stands for slavery. You know, we know what these symbols mean. We know that there is no the is nothing in between it. So if that guy gets a end game of the time he is very clear there is a final solution here that they wish to enact. Right so yeah so he gets a big old crime pass and you know, good on him. Well, yeah, fuck, fuck that guy walking around with this arm band and asking for asking to be a punch in the face because someone did it, so. Yeah, and if you don't look at that photo of, you know the other guy, the nerd from

Charleston, I think it was who got captured with the, with the fist in the side side side side side side side side the the the the the the the the th I think it was who got captured with the with the fist in the side of his head and seeing oh yeah on his hair split change sides he punched so hard that he got a hair cut from it right and that was a very nice sequence of photos from the guy standing and not just go like a Nazi salute in someone's face to immediately get clocked you know I don't want to see stuff from one perfect shot you know that that sitty the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the the the the the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. the is the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea. theeeeeea. theeeeeeeeee. the. the the get clocked. You know, I don't want to see stuff from one perfect shot, you know, that shitty Twitter account. To me, that is one perfect shot. That's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. All right. So there we go, folks. So we're going to wrap it up. As I said earlier, we still have that interview coming out out out out out out your Kickstarter Sucks. Keep it out for that one. If it comes out of sequence, think of it as a prequel to this episode. We also have bonus material on the Patreon this week.

We ran a poll to choose a dumb movie for us to do a commentary track of. And I'm very disappointed you chose the dumbest, longest one. Yes, yes we are going to be recording tonight a commentary track for the day after tomorrow. Environmental super scary film. And we want this to kind of be an ongoing thing. What we're going to do is pick movies that are available on Netflix because we kind of figure that that is the easiest most accessible way for most people to just be able to, you know, jump online and stream a movie movie. Yeah, and so we're going to just try and set it up so that it's a thing that you can just queue up at the same time that the movie starts and listen to us, drink some beers and dumbly comments on dumb movies. We're

going to wait until Lucy gets back to start delving into what we know you're all waiting for which is Adam Sandler and Wayans Brothers movies. I personally am very much looking forward to doing a commentary track for white chicks. I reckon we should do the western one because nobody's seen it and I feel like a lot of people would watch it at the same time and experience the horror. Well, I've watched the first five or ten minutes and let me tell you this. Boy howdy is that a racist movie? So, um, so yeah, I agree. I agree and we should do that. We should do that. that. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the we the we the we should. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, the th, th. We should, th. We should, th. We should, th. We should, th. We should, the the the the the the we the we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, we should, the western, the western, the western, the the the th minutes and let me tell you this, boy howdy is that a racist movie? So, so yeah I agree, I agree and we should do that. So you know we'll be putting some of those out on the Patreon which you can get to at Patreon.com forward slash Wuntervista. That'll also get you in and all the other stuff for the polls, all the mail bag questions or that kind of thing. Sling us a review on iTunes if you're the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort th. I you're the sort the sort th. I' th. I'm the sort the sort th. I'm th. I'm th. I'll thus thoes th. I'll the. I'll th. I the. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the the first. I the first. I the first. I the first. I the first. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'll the the the the the the the the. I'm theeeeeeeeeeeeeat. So, I'll theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea. I'll the. I'll the. I'llthe mail bag questions, or that kind of thing. Sling us a review on iTunes, if you're into that sort of thing, if you're the sort of person who likes to loudly and proudly write down your opinion on the internet, which frankly

let's face it, we pretty much all are at this point. It's all we're here for. Yeah. All right, so thanks very much. And we'll be back next week with Lucy. Lucy will be back with us. That'll be a good time. So we will see you then. Thanks much. Bye-bye. See you. you to be