Boonta Vista - EPISODE 191: 3 To 4 Hours Of Uninterrupted Psycho Time

Episode Date: March 21, 2021

Huge content warning for discussion of sexual assault on this one. *** Lucy, Andrew, and Theo talk through a wide range of awful responses to Australia's most recent grim moment of reckoning with sexual violence, from cops dreaming up shitty apps to our empty suit prime minister. Plus: a Planely Speaking about a woman whose only crime was a series of very cool crimes. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Merchandise: shop.boontavista.com Twitch: twitch.tv/boontavista

Hello, welcome to Bundavista episode 191. I'm currently acting as the winter caretaker in the remote overlook hotel in the Rocky Mountains. Hope this will really help with my Buntavista intro scenario riders' block. My son's being a stupid asshole. Oh, I have psychic powers. I could levitate shit with my mind, or whatever. My son's being a stupid asshole. Oh, I have psychic powers. I could levitate shit with my mind or whatever the shining is in I actually know. But I can't go shit in the toilet.

And shit in my pants. Can read other people's thoughts. I still can't make it to the toilet in time. Looking down at my typewriter. See that I've unconsciously tytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytyty that that that that that's to makes. to makes. to makes. to makes. to makes. to makes. toozy. I makes. I'm to toozy like toozy like to to to too- too- too- too- too- too- too- too- too- to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too. I too. I too. I toozy. I can't too-s. I'm too-s. I'm tho-s. tho-s. tho-s. tho-s. tho-s. thia-s. thia-s. toa-s. I cana-s. I can't. I can't. I'll to the toilet in time. Looking down at my typewriter, see that I've unconsciously typed all work and no play makes daddy-like big mummy milkers. I'm sure of the meaning. Also with me is two twin girls holding hands in the hallway. It's Lucy.

How are you, Lucy? Hi, what's up? So what's your deal? I'm not really sure. What is the the guys like, do you live here? Ah, look, we just kind of like walk around the holes. Right. But just kind of walking around.

Who owns you though? Literally just vibing. Okay. Sometimes you choose to be there, sometimes you choose to be in the void. That's just how it is. It do be like that. Do you reckon they're like 40 now, like, like, like, or like, or like, or, or, or, or, or, th now, th now, th now, th now, th now, like, like, like, like, like, tho, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th is. It do be like that. It do be like that. Do you reckon they're like 40 now or however old? They're still doing that? I hope they're still doing that. Hmm. And pulling his rotting nude body out of the bathtub and coming in for a smooch, it's Andrew. Hey Andrew. Ah, it feels good to have a soak. Yeah. Let me just fish my ear out of there.

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Theo is still trying to establish what his son's powers are. Mm-hmm. It's definitely... He's not going to check out any of the reference material. No. In order to find out. It's psycho, um, penises, I don't know.

It's not, it's definitely not going potty in the toilet though, I'll tell you that. Imagine though when he gets control of it and he can just levitate his poop over to the toilet. That's the dream, isn't it? It's the dream. I never even have to stop posting, even for a moment. Yes, many things here to destroy the mind. Make you feel like you're going crazy. And the first one is this big stack of Australian newspapers. I'm looking through the wall. He's done the biggest tight rope segue of all time.

Let's bring it home. Oh, this dusty, undisturbed pile of newspapers, yet when I pick it up and blow away the dust, I find the date is actually quite recent. Yes, as I flip through newspaper after newspaper and see the things going on in Australia, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The thing that everyone in the Shining was taking. That's how I understood it. It's just a film about everyone taking crazy pills and going a little crazy. I think they would have had a very nice time in the remote overlook hotel if they hadn't been taking the crazy pills. I think so too. Don't take the crazy pills. We can't stress this enough. What do they even make th th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th they th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I that's tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the to theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat thoooooooooooo. I tho. I the the the too. Don't take the crazy pills. We can't stress this enough.

What do they even make them for? You know? Yeah, it seems like, who's the audience for that? Jared Leto? Like... Take one pill 20 minutes before dinner. For three to four hours of uninterrupted psycho time. Who are we prescribing this to four hours of uninterrupted psycho time. Who are we prescribing this to? People who just want to wild out for a bit in the remote overlook hotel. You can just grab an axe, swing that bad boy like crazy.

Was that, so the guy, the guy that comes in later, I think he's the groundskeeper. He's the, he's like the janitor. The janitor. Yeah, and he comes in and immediately gets axed in the chest, right? Is that the most, is that the least anybody has ever done like ratio of set up to being killed in any movie ever. Like, I thought that guy was going places. He was there who's gonna help out, who's gonna say some wise words to the son. Like, if you feel that pressure on your butt-hole son, you just, you go to the toilet, you know.

Don't make your, don't make your dad go crazy with an axe or nothing. But it just gets axed in the chest that's it just instantly there's what he doesn't even die in the book that's why he's in the sequel doctor's sleep yeah several books several I mean two just two there's a pair of books you know back to these newspapers so to back to these newspapers so if you live in Australia, you are aware of what has been dominating the headlines in the recent like month or two. And let me say it's very depressing. A lot of Australian news cycles feel like they are very depressing.

This one, especially so. I think the sort of the beginning of this happening for the Australian public was the ABC program Four Corners running a program called the Canberra Bubble I guess towards the end of last year and it was in this program that Louise Milligan, or an investigative reporter for the ABC, ran a bunch of material about like members of the current sitting government, including cabinet ministers, who I guess had displayed a lot of very abhorrent sexist behavior, sexual harassment, serial

cheating on spouses. There were descriptions of like just generally a highly toxic atmosphere where there are constantly affairs going on. To the surprise of no one I would say, but... Yeah. I think everyone's just mad that we're saying it now. Yeah I mean I sort of gather that within within Australian government within Australian political parties that there is and has been for a long time a very very entrenched

kind of don't ask don't tell culture about like graft and cheating on your wife and a lot of that sort of stuff so so this kind of laid a bunch of that out and it included material about current Attorney General Christian Porter including like including a lot of his own writings and things that he did while he was in university that all sort of boil down to having absolutely abysmal. Yeah, big old shit brain. Just really horrible stuff, like the worst type of person you can think of when it comes to just like objectification of women and not thinking of them as

humans at all. But he seems like such a nice guy though. It's always the ones you most expect. There was also Alan Tudge who had been you know carrying on an affair with his senior staffers for a long time by being married. And again, this kind of comes back to that classic thing of, it's in the public interest when you're talking about the, like, religious family men, you know, self-described religious family men who have used their platform to very publicly make a big case against like same-sex marriage. Because that would erode the sanctity of marriage.

Don't look at where my penis is going. Don't do it. So, uh, we had that. And then as time has gone on, um, there have been allegations recently by a staffer, a former liberal staffer. She has alleged that she was raped by a fellow staffer in the defense minister Linda Reynolds office. Hey, content warning. Yeah, big old content warning. It's not fun. We're going to be talking, it's not fun. Sorry everybody, for the first chunk of this fun. We're going to be talking, it's not fun. Sorry, everybody, for the first chunk of this show, we're going to be talking about a bit of this stuff.

It's all been extremely badly handled by the government. Horrifying immigration morlock, Peter Dutton has described it as a he says, she says situation. So there's been a lot of like all the usual horrible right-wing suspects. Just got your real bingo with the he said, she said and the Twitter's being the judge and jury. Yep. So there is, there is a lot of, like, it just seems very, very clear from the whole timeline of events that the coalition, the current government was completely aware of this thing that happened two years ago and ruined a young woman's career

and seemingly a large chunk of her life at this point. They were very very aware of this thing. It has been seemingly covered up and now we are instead of actually, you know, asking any hard questions and doing anything about it, it seems to have devolved into an extended game of like Who knew what when? How how much plausible?? thi-a-a-a-a-bi-a-a-biiability? they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they're very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they into an extended game of like, who knew what when? How much plausible deniability can the Prime Minister get away with in pretending that he didn't know about this thing? And nobody told him, despite it happening in a senior cabinet minister's office,

in Parliament House, security being aware of it, Prime Minister and Cabinet's office being aware of it, senior staffers in his own office being aware of it, everybody knew about it and somehow nobody was like, hey Prime Minister, did you hear about this horrifying act that happened just over there? Maybe we should go and tell him, no, no, he's having a nap right now. You know, we don't like to interrupt his naps, so... Don't want to break in a nap time. Probably best that nobody tell him about this very important thing. And it is, it's completely unsurprising that their first instinct is just to get ahead of it by lying to the media a bunch of times and then just seeing how they can like row back little by little. I think that really really speaks to Scott Morrison's sort of whole MO which is very cool. Nice guy, good good good Christian man.

Yep just pretend you didn't know anything about it. I think lots of people's favorite part of this whole thing was when Scott Morrison came out and said, wow, this is a really terrible thing that happened. When I talked to my wife about it, my wife said, you have to imagine that this has happened to one of your own daughters. What would you want to happen then? And he said, what what? W what? W what? W what? W what? W what? W wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo? W? W? W? W? W? W? W. W W. W. W. W. W. that? W. to that? W. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th? th? th? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that th. tho? thoo? thoooo? thoo? thooo? thoo? tho? tho? th. th.. What would you want to happen then?" And he said, holy shit. He said, what? Whoa?

What? Oh, that's what rape is. You fucking. Moron. Moron. Child-brained dick. It's such a like, I don't know, man. That whole attitude is just terrifying to me because I thought that this was a thing that a lot a that a that a that a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot that a lot that a lot that a lot, that whole attitude is just terrifying to me because I thought that

this was a thing that a lot of people have been sort of working through for the past several decades, I would hope, that like, you know, life is not Liam Neeson, you know, life is not Deathwish starring Charles Bronson, where there is a brave man, and one of the female pieces of property in his life gets ruined by a sexual assault and he must take vengeance. Like, that's how that whole thing came across to me was like, not, not A, imagine such a, such a horrible violation happening to yourself, or B, hey, this happened to a real person who worked for you in the building that you work in. It has to be like, imagine this happening to a woman, but imagine that it happens to one that you know so that you care about it.

Yeah, imagine this hap happen to somebody you like. Just awful. Awful stuff. So this was followed up by a historical rape accusation against Attorney General Christian Porter, the aforementioned long-time piggy man. And this has also been a weird matter of like how long did the government know about this before. Which is almost certainly a long time and I'm sure there are a lot of other allegations that we just don't hear about. Oh yeah, like did anybody see the thing this

week where a staffer, like a current liberal staffer in Parliament House quit his job? or was made to quit his job? Or was made to quit his job? Like, how the tho? Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, how, how, how, like, like, how, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the government, like, the government, like, the government, the government, the government, like, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government the government the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government? the government? the government? the government? the government? to, like, like, to, like, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their the the the their the the the the the the government, the the the government where a a staffer like a current liberal staffer in Parliament House quit his job or was made to quit his job because of an incident where he called a he called a greens a greens a greens politician like I think in state politics somewhere he like called her a like a meth head cunt he sure did and and this was like the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the a like a meth head cunt. He sure did. And this was like while she was getting interviewed for TV. Yeah like yelled it out and this is quite a while ago and then it just recently came out a few days ago and he quit his job. Well this is the thing it didn't come out a few days ago it came out at the time. Yeah but it came out like in Parliament a few days ago. We remembered it.

Well, when the politician at the time said, my staffer who was standing next to me, who has worked for me for 10 years said, I just heard this guy yell this thing at you. And she complained about it, and they investigated it and said, oh, well, all of his mates that he was with said that he didn't say it. So, sorry. You can always trust a guy's mates, you know? Yeah, especially liberal staffers. And they said, as far as we're concerned, that is the end of the matter and we will not be looking into it again ever. And it's clearly only when things have reached the fever pitch that they have of the last couple th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. theee. they they they they're they're they're they're they're theeea. thi. thi. thi. th have reached the fever pitch that they have of the last couple of weeks.

That now that's come up again, they've gone, oh, we've got to cut ties with this guy because he's making us look bad. Because that's the political calculus of it all. It's not about doing the right thing ever. So, um, yeah, this has resulted in the Attorney General suing the ABC for defamation. Very cool. Very cool stuff. Yep, yep. I note that the insistence all time because the victim took their own life last year.

And so that meant that when they referred it to the Australian Federal Police they said this is not our jurisdiction that's the New South Wales police and the New South Wales police said well there is no longer a living person to pursue this complaint so we can't take the case any further which led the government to say ah what's that you have declared him innocent? He has been ruled innocent. Let me take that scarlet letter off your suit, Christian. And yeah this this has then been followed up with him doing a tearful press conference at which he protested his innocence and also declared that this was like you know mob justice if he if he

had to stand down from his job while being investigated for historical accusations of a terrible crime, wouldn't that just be the worst precedent? Any woman could ruin a man's career by just making something up. Which of course is the thing that these sorts of people have been saying forever about this kind of thing. And if it were true, it'll be happening all the thing that these sorts of people have been saying forever about this kind of thing. And if it were true, it'd be happening all the time. It would be... Yeah, no one would be safe, which is probably not the point that you really want to be

making. It's not the thing you want to be implying about all your colleagues? No, probably not. Well, I think it might have been, uh, it might have been, uh, Osmond Farooqui from, uh, the Saturday paper who said after that press conference, because it was a very perplexing press conference. Oh, everyone was a real headscratcher, just like, coming out, just really bitchy? Like, like, the coalition government is very good at doing, like holding these very bitchy presentations? It presses? Extremely defensive.

And like my brother who's a, my brother-in-law is a lawyer. And he had come to visit us just before that press conference. And he was like, absolutely perplexed, he was just like, that press conference and he was like absolutely perplexed he was just like that was the strategy your strategy was to say yeah my strategy was to hold a press conference and say well I didn't do it and everyone has to leave me alone now it was really weird because for the for the senior law officer in the country to be declaring, hey, if the police can't investigate it, then that's it and we all have to leave it alone,

there is no other way for me to clear my name, despite the fact that there is a very long established history of nonjudicial investigations of things in Australia. Royal commissions, inquiries, coroners' inquiries, like all of these things that have set up. The Dyson Hayden stuff, remember former Judge Dyson Hayden who ran the government's royal commission into union activity and somebody came out with like accusations about him behaving extremely inappropriately and sexually harassing like accusations had been known for like a decade or more that basically if you were a young woman you could not be left alone with him like that was one of those open secret kind of things. It's super normal that that's just a thing that they're like oh yeah that's just that guy you don't want to be alone as a woman around him. Yep. And so and that was a that was an inquiry into it was that wasn't a royal commission was it? That's that's just just just just just just just just just just just just th. th. th. the th. the the th. th. the th. th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You don't th. You th. You you you you. You you you. You you you you you you you you you. You you. You you. You you. You you. You you. You you. You you. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. you. you. you. th. th. th and that was a that was an inquiry and it was that a that wasn't a Royal Commission was it? No. It was some type of inquiry where they looked into

that and said oh it turns out that this you know high court judge had been accused of this stuff over and over again and people had just kind of all collectively ignored it. Yeah. So again you can totally have non-judicial inquiries about things and again, as my brother-in-law pointed out, he kept saying, like, the, again, the highest law officer in the land, all flustered and everything, kept saying, how am I supposed to prove that something didn't happen 30 years ago? And my brother-in-law's like, that's what 50% of criminal trials are the whole time. Yeah.

That's what defense is. Is somebody saying, no actually, my client didn't do that. And here is how I'm going to build the case for that. Or describe an absence of specific evidence that would be needed to say that something was true. So after making all of these claims that there is no way to investigate or, you know, that there's no way to prove either the truth or the absence of truth in these allegations, he's then turned around and sued the ABC for defamation because I believe in their strategy this means

that the ABC will be forced to come to court and effectively make a you know a civil trial that they have evidence that he did do it. Because unfortunately that's the way defamation law works in Australia is that if you have the resources to sue somebody for defamation then it's a great way for the rich and powerful to keep people off their backs basically.. It. It, it. It, it. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's th, thi- and thi-and, thi-and, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, and th, and the th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the, the is the is that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the that, the is the is the is the you have the resources to sue somebody for defamation, then it's a great way for the rich and powerful to keep people off their backs, basically. It sure is. So then we had the March for Justice, where hundreds of thousands of people, again, all over

the country, all the different cities all over the place. All marched on you know state and federal government to say, hey, we would actually seriously like you to try and do something about this. And Scott Morrison's response to this was to stand up in Parliament and during his speech to say, not far from here, such marches even now are being met with bullets, but not here in this country. Pretty cool. We should be so lucky. At least you're not getting a shot for this protest.

It's just, I feel like he really just has the brain of a baby, right? Like he doesn't think there's no part of his brain that stops and things before he says something with his face. He's just there like making making the like rifle kind of motions like We could but we're not we're not gonna but you know, but we're pretty great. We could Lucy, it makes me think of like when he did do the quote about like, I went home and talked to my wife Jenny and she said, imagine that one of your own daughters had been sexually assaulted. And there was a clip of a reporter,

I think it might have been Teagan George, asked a follow-up question about that where she said, she was like, why do you have to consider it in the context of like being someone's father or her being someone's daughter, why can't you look at it in the context of that happening to a human being? And his response is to like immediately do this face of like, what? What? He's got, like, yeah, just like a... Yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, th, th, th, th, th, that, it's like, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, that's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, he's got... Yeah, it's like... Yeah, just like a... Yeah, it's like, what do you mean?

Just, just all of a sudden the like dictionary definition of incredulous is painted across his face as he says, oh, well, I am a dad and she's my wife and I have kids, and that's just you know part of my whole that's who I am that's part of my whole like identity so I don't even I don't even understand what you guys took those photos of me and my kids remember in the lead up to the election but he um but he says he says to a like in response to this he says you know because I am a dad and I've got a wife and to thi. that's tho. the th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. I thi. I thi. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I that's th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. So I, you know, that's part of how I look at things.

And I don't even, I don't even understand what it is that you're trying to say. Like he's, you know, he's so offended. Yeah. It's extremely defensive and offended because of course, let's immediately make it about him, you know. You know, but just just the unwillingness to try and like grasp anything in even a remotely contemporary way is extremely upsetting. And yeah, like, I would have thought that even, you know, somebody who is not aspiring to be the leader of a nation could understand the idea that it is important to be able to display empathy for people who are not like you?

To try and understand and empathize with the struggles of people whose lives are different to yours? I genuinely think he has no concept. He just has no comprehension of many things around him. I don't think we talk enough about how dumb I think Scott Morrison is. Just a dorky dad. Just the dorky dad. But yeah, I mean, so, so the entire thing has devolved into, uh,

the liberals, you know, announcing that there's going to be a press conference in which Christian Porter declares his innocence. And it said in the press release when they were announcing that press conference, they said, we are hoping this will be the end of the matter. Well I mean, honesty at least is good. What we would love is for you to stop asking us. Please stop, please stop asking. It's making us very uncomfortable. So there's that, there's that, the, the, there, there, there, there, there, there's all there's all there's all there's all there's all there's all there's all the, the, the, the, the, the the, their their their their their their their their their their, their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi, thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, their, their the. the. the. asking us. Please stop asking. It's making us very uncomfortable. So there's that, there's all of the, much like the same way that they deal with any other like scandal or crisis or anything, it's all a protracted game of plausible deniability and saying, well I didn't know about this thing at this date specifically, all that sort of stuff.

And, you know, we've seen a lot of writing about this in the media, Samantha Maiden, she's writing largely of the news.com to you about this. But she's, you know, been pursuing a lot of these stories, very aggressively, so if you would like to read about a lot of this stuff in more detail, go and check that out. Yeah, don't listen to us, we're just stupid assholes. Yeah. There's been a lot of stuff in the Saturday paper and everything. And like we said, it's been, I'm sure it's been very overwhelming for a lot of people, particularly survivors of the salt.

Gotta say I would love to talk about literally anything else, but unfortunately it just keeps happening. Yeah, so it sucks. There's a lot of places you can read about it. We thought that we would talk about one specific aspect of this that made me feel like my brain had been dipped in a big tub of battery acid. Me too. So, you know, what kind of solutions are thi that made me feel like my brain had been dipped in a big tub of battery acid. Me too. So, you know, what kind of solutions are there to this sort of thing? I mean, obviously, part of the problem that a lot of people have raised is that a very like unrepresentative majority of people in Parliament and in Cabinet are people from like

elite private single-sex boys schools. What a thought. Yeah, it's a really healthy way to bring up people and to, you know, run the government. Yep. Uh-huh. Imagine having like a just a chastity belt but for social encounters with the opposite sex. It's so, it's so, it's, we were talking about this a while ago. It's such a bizarre thought. It's, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's, uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their their their their their their, their their, their their, their, their, their, the opposite sex. It's so, it's we were talking about this a while ago, it's such a bizarre thought. It's immediately such a bad idea. It's so weird, like, and you can kind of see where like this concept of only being able to relate it to women that you know because

you don't know any women. Because you don't know any women. Like, imagine if this happened to your mom, the one woman that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's, th. th. It's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's the. It's to to to to to to to to theeeeeeeeeeee. It's just just just just just, the thi. It's a thi. It's th know any women. Like, so odd. Imagine if this happened to your mom, the one woman you know. Like, yeah, it was interesting because like in the last, I think it was like in the last six months. There's a woman whose name I cannot remember, unfortunately, she had a cool name, who did this petition asking for women to respond if they had experienced like sexual assault, sexual violence or anything in a private school environment that they went to basically and she got like over 3,000 written submissions from girls who had attended like elite private schools and the

overwhelming majority of them were saying these things happened in my encounters with boys from the single-sex private schools. And this caused you know obviously a lot of consternation among the communities of those schools because God knows people spend a shit load of money to send their kids to these places so you don't want like it seems to me like the the issue is always like I don't want the reputation of the very

expensive school I'm sending my kid to to get ruined not what the fuck is happening at the place I'm sending my son sending my son in his little circular straw hat for some reason. So yeah, it's always about like, you know, don't ruin the reputation of the school, not why is this school raising such horrible, horrible people. And so there was some, you know, different responses from different schools. Some of them, you know, they had like either the headmaster come out and say, hey, hey, this is, hey, this is a, this is a, hey, this is one. this is, this is, this is, this is one, this is one, this is one, this is one, this is a, this is a, this is a, this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is one, this is one, like, like, like, like, like, like, this is a this is this is this, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, this, this, this, this, this. this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a this is a, this is a, this is a, this, this, this, this, this, this, th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. th. this is a th. th. know, different responses from different schools. Some of them, you know, they had like either the headmaster come out and say, hey, this is like really, really concerning. Clearly we are failing these young men in how we talked to them about consent, how we talked to them about

interacting with the opposite sex, that kind of thing. However, I saw some things where like one of these schools reacted with the headmaster writing a letter out to parents and saying, we're being blamed for all of this stuff and that's not fair when like they can all just get unlimited porno on their phones. And there's lots of sexualized things in the media. And this like headmaster wrote in this letter to parents he was like how are how are they supposed to control themselves you know in this in this hyper sexualized world how they're supposed to control themselves

and they get out of these big sloshing buckets of come and then they run into a girl and who's to say and there to say? And there's nothing we can do to change this. Yeah, there's absolutely nothing we can do. Just want to point out that Scott Morrison went to an all-boy school as well. He is an old boy from Sydney Boys High School. So that probably does actually explain a lot of the pathology. Yeah, along with just everyone in Parliament House. There's probably a lot of people that went to an all boys private school. Christian Porter, Greg Hunt, went to school together actually. Ah, you can just jack each other off, guys.

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they don't just send their kids to these schools because it gives you all of the social introductions that you need to become a lawyer or a politician or whatever. It's about the networking. It's not about the education at all. But to me it just feels like completely dropping the mask when you say as like the headmaster of one of these schools, hey what do you expect us to do about it? They've got phones they can look at because isn't like part of the whole pretense of these schools that you are paying like phenomenal amounts of money out of the ass to send them to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some to some some some some. But. But. to some some. to some. to some. to some to some to some to some to some their their to to to to to to be tense of these schools that you are paying like phenomenal amounts of money out of the ass to send them to somewhere that makes

future leaders that makes like you know exceptional young men and it's like if you if you don't have it in yourselves to say to them actually sexual assault is not good and you shouldn't do it what the fuck are you doing? And the question is that you're I guess just just preparing you know people to work in Australian Parliament. A bunch of slimy egg-hatched weirdos just secreted out into Parliament House. Why are so many of our politicians just like slimy weird. So weird just damp damp-handed. Weird ways of speaking.

Don't like it. Lizard people. Now, so those private schools, they don't have any solutions in mind for this. However, hmmm. Who does? The New South Wales police commissioner, New South Wales's top cop, Mick Fuller, has, he has an idea. That's who I want to hear from about rape.

Just right from the top of the dime. I want to hear from a cop about rape all the time, absolutely. And hey, just in case you thought maybe I've heard this guy's name before on a previous episode when we were talking about the the endemic strip searching of minors? Yep in New South Wales and music festivals and stuff like that. The response that came from New South Wales Police Commissioner Mick Fuller was if my kids, if my underage daughters were at a festival, I would want them to be strip searched by the police. I got a little, I got a little grab here.

So he says that he was disappointed about the conduct of officers who strip searched a 16 year old girl. But he said, no, no, it's all good. We need to keep doing this. He says that young people should have quote a little bit of fear unquote of police and that questioning the quote legitimacy of policing had a negative impact on public on public safety. No I think it's actually the strip searches that are having a negative impact I would say it's the strip searches. Yeah just um I don't think it's that people are not afraid enough of the police.

Because that certainly, I don't, are people not afraid of the police? I'm afraid of the police. I'm very afraid of the police. I'm a white person. I go through, well, sorry, I don't go through that station anymore, but I used to go through Rome Street Station where they would continually have the drug dogs in there and I would see people just bawling, crying, like just being absolutely brought brought low by these police officers who have, you know, obviously caught them with with some drugs for personal use and you just go,

oh okay, you're just ruining people's lives here. That's your job is to stand in between these two turnstiles and see how many lives you can ruin. Oh, there's another one the doggy says this life. So very notoriously accurate sniffer dogs. Notorously accurate sniffer dogs. But I'm sure that they've got some some good ideas though on solving the problem which is doing their job.

Yeah, because New South Wales Police Commissioner McFuller, this is from the ABC, said the country needed to modernize ideas around positive consent where consent is, quote, active and ongoing throughout a sexual encounter. So he thinks maybe we should have an app. You've got an app for that? I love how he immediately points out the problem with the app by talking about ongoing and active consent while suggesting an app where you say yes? I'm just going to go, yeah, I'm going to go, like, because there's no details given in this article, so don't hang out for actually how this is going to work. I'm going to guess that you have to have one hand on the go button the entire time.

It's like a like the two switches that they have to flick to get into the the vault where they keep the Terminators arm and if you release that then suddenly the chastity belt snaps shut the end of the penis flying across the room... and. and. and. and. and. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And, and everything. And, and everything. And, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the go. the the go. the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the go the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the te. teck. tecklea. tecklea. tecklea. tecklea. tecklea. te. te. the go. the go. their the go. their the chastity belt snaps shut, the end of the penis flying across the room and everything just stops and that's it, problem solved. I don't actually think that that he's thought that part through or any part of this through. No, because I think a lot of the problem that is described by women is number one that the majority of assaults don't get reported because people say I don't have any confidence whatsoever that the police are going to do anything about this.

Because they often don't. Yeah and that seems to be validated by the numbers of people who do report allegations to the police and the police say, ah, what are you going to do? Less than 10% of rapes and sexual assaults reported to the police end up in any kind of charge. Less than 10%? So, you know, it's kind of like, what's the point? But what if though, Lucy? I know you're kind of poo-pewing this, but what if there's an app that said you thicked, you, you, you't even have to you ticked you ticked no or even worse you ticked yes says right here

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He acknowledged that the app might be, quote, the worst idea I have all year. But he said COVID-19 had shown the importance of adopting technological solutions. When did it do this? We had the COVID safe app, the app that famously did not work, that everybody went, hey, that's not how Bluetooth works. That's not how phones you can't do that. And they're like, no, no, it's the that. that. It's that. It's that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that that that that, that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that. that's that's that that that that that that that that that that's that that that that that that that that that that that. that. that that that that that. that. that. that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the. the the the the the. the. the. the. that's the. the. th works. That's not how phones work. You can't do that. And they're like, no, no, it's fine. We've got, my nephew's pretty good at code. We've got probably $400 million for IBM or something. I don't know, we haven't checked. But we'll have an app and it'll solve it.

And then now, everyone's going, oh, actually, the app did app thatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatat, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that app that app that app that now everyone's going, oh actually the app did nothing. We didn't do anything. It actually did the thing that everyone said it was going to do, which was nothing. I went, oh. Yeah, but it's important to think about it, you know. Quote, if someone told me two years ago that we would have signed in on our phones every time we sat down at a restaurant, I would have laughed at them, he said. Now he thinks you're laughing at the idea of having to sign in to sex.

And I am laughing. How fucking stupid this is. Whether the app floats or not, I think it's irrelevant. He still thinks it's gonna go. Like maybe. Still talking about this app that he's already said is probably a bad idea. I'm hearing a lot of mabees. So we'll just put it in the maybe pile, won't we? He says, whether the app floats or not, I think it's irrelevant.

I think it's about understanding that this crime is on the increase, is it? Or are you just hearing about it more? You're hearing about it more. And we need to confront whether that's through technology. We need to confront it whether that's through technology or education and training or through other ideas. Some ideas. Yeah, we've got lots of ideas. I can list three. Two of them are the same the same the same th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thin, thi. thi. thin, thiiiiiii. thiiiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi three. Two of them are the same thing. So we've tried nothing. We're all out of ideas. We're certainly not going to do our jobs. So why not Mr. Steve Jobs? So let's, like, this is a thing that I've absolutely seen bandied around before, right?

This app idea, a consent app where you make... Always by the worst people in the world, by the way. Libertarians, consent on the blockchain, fucking. It will send an encrypted thing. And like you said, Lucy, the problem is, there is no possible context in which you can imagine this app doing anything to help anybody other than a man who says that he has been falsely accused of sexual assault. Exactly.

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That's not going to work for- Here all certain, can you scan this, you scan this QR code? Yeah, like, like, there is, any, any of the contexts that people have spoken about in the last several weeks, these very, very high profile cases would not have been covered by this because it was just being sexually assaulted by someone. Exactly. The app also would not help for, if you consented to having sex with someone, and then they started doing stuff that you hadn't consented for,

and you revoked your consent, then they would just have like a printed certificate saying, well, they said I could do it. You know, you don't have to investigate this one. It's on paper, it's in the app. Oh, well it says here around the same time you agreed to have sex with this guy, so, what do you want us to do? And like I think it's important to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to point to to to to their their to their to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th guy. So what do you want us to do? And like I think it's important to point out that stupid ideas are a dime a dozen, right? Like people get into like meetings and they're throwing around shit and so on's like, oh what if we did an app for it and they're kind of going, oh no, no, it's a. There's a difference between that and the top cop of New South Wales coming out and doing a presser, and tham. And tham. And tham. And tham. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi. thi. Like, thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Like, th. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, like, like, like, like doing a pressor, talking to media and going,

hey, just one quick idea, what about an app? Like, and just being like, that's his idea. That's the thing, that's- What if we try to gamify it? That's the depth of thought that we're experiencing in addressing these issues. Something that I have noticed as a bit of a shift in this conversation recently is that I am seeing more and more people like, you know, because obviously the March for Justice was the thing that was organized by women and a lot of women came to and you see these like, you know, an invitation to sit down with Scott Morrison and get your photo taken with him while he smiles, you know, so he can say,

look, I'm doing something about it. But, um, I guess like, I've seen a lot more conversation recently about this needs to start being a conversation that men are having with other men. It needs to stop being this thing of like women begging you to stop doing this, and it needs to start being a thing where men are changing their own culture. Because I feel like women have been asking men to stop doing this for some time now. Very long time. That's one thing I went to that protest at Parliament House when I was in Canber. One thing that was very depressing is just how many women there were like in their 60s and 70s and it's like

they've been doing this their entire lives and very little has changed. But they didn't have smartphones their their their their their their their their their their they they they they they th they th th they th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi the the tho the thi thi thi the the tho tho tho tho tho th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeei theeeeeeeeeee the the the the's like they've been doing this their entire lives and very little has changed. But they didn't have smartphones Lucy. Oh had they considered a consent app? Yeah I saw somebody writing I think it might have been Catherine Murphy in the Guardian writing and talking about you know talking to one of her friends or colleagues and talking about, you know, talking to one of her friends or colleagues and them just both sort of mourning the fact that they had like adult children going out into the world now and she's like and we haven't really achieved anything in terms of like making it a safer place for them to be.

And that's hugely depressing and when you look at these like when you look at these sorts of statistics, so this is from the same article, according to recent figures in the Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research reported sexual assaults rose by 10% in 2020 with a total of 15,000 women coming forward, and that's the very small portion of people that we think actually report these things. Only 2% of those led to guilty verdict in court, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, thi, so, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and th report these things. Only 2% of those led to guilty verdicts in court. Now, this is like not even including the part if you are one of those psychos who thinks that like it's a normal thing for women to make up sexual assault allegations to get back at a guy

or try to wreck his life or something. Yep, which we understand is not a thing. Well, as I was saying before about the Christian Porter stuff, if it was a thing, it would be a normal part of the fabric of our lives. Like, like, you know, you would know a dozen people who had had to like quit their jobs and go and live in a shed somewhere because some harpy had decided that she didn't like the look of his pants. Like this is just not a thing that happens on any kind of scale as to be significant. And it's actively the opposite, you know, when women report these things, the woman gets crucified and you see it constantly.

There's no reason for it. The police type writer. That's right, th th th th th they, they, they, they, they, they, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll thi, we'll thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi it. The police type it up on their invisible typewriter. That's right, they sure do. And then they say, we'll get back to you if we find anything. And then they close the investigation because they didn't find anything. I mean, look at how this stuff has been handled in the last couple of weeks. We had Brittany Higgins come out and say, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, th, the, th, the, th, th, the, the, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. thi. thi. thi. tho, tho, tho. tho. tho. thoo. the. thooo. the. the. their, their, and say, two years ago, I was sexually assaulted in Parliament House by a staffer who did get fired by the liberals afterwards, but not for that.

He got fired for being in the office after hours and breaking a security protocol. Apparently, it seems like he probably got a glowing reference on the way out as well. A whole lot of covering up and everything and then when she has come out and gone public with all of this, she has also subsequently come out to say, the Prime Minister's office is going to journalists and saying to them, this is a thing that her current boyfriend is doing because he used to have a job with us

and now he doesn't and he's mad. So you know the again the government's response is to say this woman's crazy and making it up and she oh she's actually doing it for ulterior motives you know and the same thing with the with the Christian Porter case where again the Prime Minister's first instinct here is to come out and say, oh, well he's told me that he didn't do it, so, you know, wouldn't be fair for there to be any consequences for him when he said that he didn't. Which kind of flies against the, like 12 months ago, you know, they had him saying, it's very important that women, when they report things like this, that they are believed and they are heard. It turns out unless it might have some kind

of negative impact on him personally, and then don't worry about it. Yeah, if you know anything about the Labor Party, make sure you report it to your nearest police officer. Yeah. If it's about us, tha us, tha, tha, tha, thiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theee the the the te the the teeean, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi. sorry, you're probably crazy. You've probably got something, some no-good brain stuff going on. So yeah, it's a huge bummer all around, really. Just a lot of huge bummer's all round. And I would love for things to get better, so we don't have to talk about this every few months but you know here we are. I mean it certainly doesn't look like it's

happening at the moment. I was I was slightly interested to see that there has finally been a drop in the polls for the Liberal Party. Oh really. Yeah They've they've finally gone back below laborers on the two-party preferred poll. And someone from the liberals I saw like like you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, like, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th th th th th tho, it, it tho, it tho, it tho, it tho, it tho, it tho, it th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the, I would the the the the that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the laborers on the two-party preferred poll. And someone from the liberals I saw like you know somebody as an anonymous source in an article saying, yeah well we thought that it was really only gonna affect us with like tertiary educated women and it would just blow over. But it seems it seems to have cut through to like a wider audience. It turns out it there's a lot of women in this country.

There's too many women here that can affect our votes. Yikes. But yeah, it just seems like there's no, to me there's no kind of serious move to say, hey, what if we treated Parliament like an actual workplace? You know, where you got fired for like sleeping with junior staffers thsss...... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thate. It's, thate. thate, thate, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's. It. It. It's. It's, there's. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's a thate. thate. to toe. toe. toe. It's a toe. It's a toe. It's a toe. It's a toe. It, that's a whole thing. Like there's a lot of conversation around the culture at parliament, which is terrible. But, you know, this is also just stuff that happens all the time to women in real life, you know. I don't think it's specifically a parliament problem, but it is a problem of men who went to all boys' schools

and have terrible ideas about women do these things all the time. I think part of the problem is that people want some kind of leadership about this on a national level. And, you know, absolutely these things are happening to women around the country constantly. And as we can see from to women around the country constantly. And as we can see from the statistics around conviction rates, you know, successful prosecutions of these charges, what that tells, you know, what that tells young men in this country is, hey, you'll probably get away with it. Yeah.

You know, like the likelihood of any, of her saying anything, of anyone believing her, you know, of anything actually happening to you as a result, pretty low. And while, while in like corporate environments, I know that these things also happen and that people sleep with subordinate staffers in, you know, relationship, like power and balances in those relationships and everything. At the very least in like a corporate workplace, when people get caught, like they have to quit, or they make people like move to different offices and say this is this is a totally inappropriate relationship and this can't be happening whereas it seems like the the vibe in Parliament House is it's just on it's on for young and all you know and like it's this big

accepted open secret and and like the internal culture is saying, oh, all these guys who are elected representatives, number one, they're doing such a selfless thing to be politicians, and then they have to be away from their families so much of the year. So shouldn't they have a couple of girls on the side? Don't they deserve that? I hate going away and getting $290 dollars a night or whatever it is sucks it's so hard barely covers the cost at the brothel I hate traveling interstates to to claim money from the government to pay rent at my own house that I own

yep it's such a hardship buke buke But yeah, so I think people are looking for like national leadership on this issue to some extent and I think that the people who occupy Parliament House are the worst equipped people in the country to provide any of that kind of leadership. Yes, absolutely. And I think the most depressing thing of all is that, much like what tends to happen in Australia and in Australian politics, is that there will often be something like this where there is a seemingly organic groundswell of really, really genuine feeling about an issue that captures the country's attention that prompts hundreds of thousands of people to leave their house and go out and say, we, we collectively, the country's attention that prompts hundreds of thousands of people to leave their house and go out and say we collectively desperately want something to

happen about this we need something to change and for the government's answer to be all right how do we how do we deal with this in you know as as cold a manner of political calculus as possible. Yeah. How do we make this about, you know as as cold a manner of political calculus as possible. How do we make this about you know both sidesing? How do we make this about trying to get the Labor Party wrapped up in it so that they lose as many casualties as we do in the process? To be fair I'm sure there is just as much shity stuff in the Labour Party as well so. Absolutely I think you know there's already I've already read things about like internal groups within Labour discussing everybody's own

horrible stories. Yeah. I mean at the at the very least I hope that you know the kind of the lasting impact of this is that all of the women that this is affecting particularly in and around political parties and everything just stop being quiet about it. Yeah. Just start coming out because, like we said earlier on, with the staffer who got fired for saying awful shit, that's an issue where they were completely... who got fired for saying awful shit. That's an issue where they were completely happy

to let that guy stay on when they didn't think anyone was going to kick up a fuss about it. Right. But when there's actually some kind of focus and sustained, you know, sustained putting it under the microscope. I think you can see that political parties are starting to go, oh we're going to have to actually act about some of these things. And I hope that it gets sustained long enough to make some kind of difference. I hope so. I also hope that all of these men get shot with an air-soft gun. They get pil killed in Minecraft.

Yes, exactly. Hope they are all killed in Minecraft. Sealed in a room and led to piss and starve themselves to death in the Sims Four. It's building a little fence around them in roller coaster tycoon. I hope they'd never leave Mr. Bones's wild ride. Hello, it's me, Ben, from this podcast. Marian Webster defines a podcast as a program made available in digital format for automatic download over the internet, and that simply could not be more true. If you like what we do and want more of this podcast made available to you in digital format for automatic download over the internet, simply go to Patreon.

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Love you. Well, look, we are going to need a little pallet cleanser before we wrap it up. Oh, please. So in that case, we're going to fly away and have a little taste of plainly speaking. Ah, this is your captain speaking. Please return your seats for their upright positions as we are coming in hot on another edition of Plainly Speaking. Oh, this is a story that I read this week and frankly, I loved it.

I liked it a lot. So this is kind of a combo, this is kind of a combo, plainly speaking, slash scam watch. And this was about a lady called Marilyn Hartman. This is from CNN. Serial Stowaway, Marilyn Hartman, was arrested at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport on Tuesday, after leaving the residential facility where she was being electronically monitored. That's not the fun part. The Cook County Sheriff's Office told CNN in a statement that it was notified that she had left the facility around noon Tuesday and that electronic monitoring staff immediately

began trying to find her location. Staff attempted to contact Hartman using the phone built into the device, but Hartman did not answer the statement said, �Electronic monitoring unit investigators found her device indicated she was the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thi, thi, the, the, the, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, ttau, ttau, ttau, t, t, t, t, th. said. Electronic Monitoring Unit investigators found that her device indicated she was traveling in the direction of O'Hare International Airport. The one place, she's not allowed. She knows not to go there. Um, an alarm was activated on her ankle monitoring device and she was detained by Chicago police officers.

The statement said, Harbin did not enter any secure areas. Harbin 69 will be returned to the Cook County Jail and the Sheriff's Office said it is seeking approval to charge her with felony escape. Leave her alone. Just let her have a ride on the plane. So they're talking about, you know, how she's relapsed in her treatment and everything. What was the issue you might ask? Harvard first made national headlines in August 2014 when she was arrested at Los Angeles International Airport for successfully boarding a flight from San Jose

International Airport without a ticket. She pleaded no contest of the charges and was sentenced to probation. The next day she was re-arrested at Los Angeles International Airport. Her street continued at Sky Harbor Airport in Phoenix. On August 14th, Hartman was given a warning for trying to enter a security checkpoint without a ticket. Twelve days later she was arrested in an airport terminal for criminal trespass. A day after that she was again seen loitering around at security checkpoint. Phoenix Police said. She was arrested in Florida in 2015. Another arrest followed at O'Hare in 2016 for violating her proveration, which forbid

her from sitting foot on airport property. She was sentenced to six months of house arrest in a mental health facility for violating court orders to stay away from airports. She was then arrested her again after British officials had detained her in London. Oh my God! She was charged with one dismitted misdemeanor in a to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their in their in their in their in their in the British officials had detained her in London. Oh my God. She was charged with one dismant misdemean account of trespassing and one felony count of theft after she succeeded in travelling from Chicago to London without a passport or boarding pass. That's not theft. Nothing's being stolen. Leave the lady. Who is she hurting, you know? Just let her on planes. I mean, make sure that she knows that there's a little bit of a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th of the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their misememes their misemes their misemes. their misemsement their mis. their mis. their mis. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. theme. their misdemean. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their misdemean. their misdemean. the lady... Who is she hurting you know? Just let her on planes. I mean

make sure that she knows that there's a little bit of a chase going on because clearly that's that's part of it but just don't don't like if you run after her maybe don't run so fast. Let her get on the plane. Let her get on the plane. Well she does actually describe how she would get on the planes, which is very helpful. So basically, like, yes we have the litany of her arrests and everything here, but let me give you a little more detail. So... So... So, audio recordings, this is at O'Hare, obtained by CBS2 investigators, reveal a TSA agent

spotted her at O'Hare in October 10th 2019 and called police, quote, there's been a Maryland siding over here. Said one TSA. That's so good, they just have pictures of Maryland. They would. Oh my God. A picture of her behind the TSA disc. Do not let this woman in.

Do not trust her lies. So CBS talked exclusively with Harmon beginning in October 2019 for a report that she told the reporter that she thought she had taken at least 30 flights over the years. Wow. The CBS 2 investigators through a series of sources, public records requests, Mrs. Hartz-Reynolds Recollections and Moore compiled a forensic accounting of her free rides. She went to Jacksonville, Seattle, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Minneapolis, minneapolis, the tripled. She said it began in 2002. and even London. Globetrotter.

She said it began in 2002. Harbin recalled, the first time I was able to get through, I flew to Copenhagen and the second time I flew to Paris. It wasn't until some 12 years later that she popped up on the radar of law enforcement. How many flights did she take in that time? That was when she flew Sands ticket from San Jose to Los Angeles in 2014. A judge warned her, don't do it again. Seven months later, in April 2015 Jacksonville, she appeared in court where her fate was sealed. Quote, Ms. Hartman has been determined by a forensic psychologist to be incompetent to proceed.

Quote, I know they keep emphasizing the mental illness. Law enforcement would like to have that in place, but I'm pretty good, she said. 3.15 AM going back for more stolen flights. So how did she get away with taking so many flights for so long without a ticket or a boarding pass? Quote, the thing I've got to tell you, I've never been able to board a plane by myself. I was always let through th revealed. I mean, I was able to go through the security line without a boarding pass. In January 2018, reports obtained by CBS2 investigators say Hartman evaded the security process and document ticket check and took a $3,428 flight to London on a British Airways plane.

Well, no, it's a free flight. She didn't pay anything. That's true. Hopped on, didn't cost the thing. Where is she sitting in the plane? She had become omnipresent at TSA checkpoints with a picture at security checkpoints. She described how she did it. Quote, I got by them. This is the thing that's so crazy. By following someone, they'dthink I'm with the guy with the blue bag Hartman and explained why she took all those flights as to what motivated her to take them

She said when I took the plane ride. I wasn't happy. It wasn't oh, I'm going here or there. I was in a depressed state of mine the depressed. I was in a depressed. A. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. th manic episode that set off the flight trigger, it was the opposite. On back-to-back days in 2015, she admitted she was so depressed that her desperation got her caught both times. She was having fun catching the planes. It was the depression that messed her up. Right. It was helping her depression. That's what I'm hearing.

She later spoke about her mental health. I'm bipolar and this is something I've rejected for years. So a plea deal had already been struck in connection with her 2019 arrest and it was supposed to be finalized in early April, but the judge said she would not get another probation. This is one time too many, he said. We've had enough, Marilyn, it's enough now. You board 40 or 50 more planes and we're bringing the hammer down. Board 40 planes, shame on you. Oh boy.

Oh, boy. Oh, stay out there, Marilyn. Good for her. I love this. Just, like, catch me if you can. You know, you just got to walk up to the gate at the right pace and they go Ah, he knows where he's going if you're confident enough people will think that you know what you're doing and they'll just let you through Pro tip from the show just go up to the gate of any flight and tell them that you are deadheading and they have to let you to let you theat and they the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theat. to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theeeeeat. the. theeea. thea. theea. theee. thee. the. th in airports love that. That's right. I was just describing the, uh, the detaining that you saw recently, Lucy. Do you want to, do you want to quickly regale us with that? The, uh, Hobart Airport one? Yeah. Yeah, so I caught a flight and there was these two real, imagine the kind of people that don't want to wear masks and that's exactly what they looked like the guy looked like a real

dead shit and she looked like a real hippie. And they, I heard them say when I was getting on the plane like the flight attendants were asking them to wear a mask and they said, oh we have an exemption, which, you know, you... The exemption is that we don't want to wear them. Yeah, exactly. I was like, we have an exemption, we have an exemption. So I was sitting there my whole flight, like, these fucking pieces of shit, you know. And then I get off my flight in Hobart and then I'm having a coffee and I look over and it's guys like in handcuffs. And yeah, they got arrested for they're have to wear a mask in Hobart Airport also.

So, you know, I'm not pro cop, but in some stages, you know, maybe they're okay. Oh boy, there you go folks. Wear your mask at the airport. Please wear your mask at the airport. Cops still suck, but please wear your mask at the airport. Come on your mask at the airport. Cops still suck, but please wear your mask at the airport. Come on. Come on. Get it together.

Well, that's it for us. Sorry about the depressing subject matter. What are you going to be? Yeah, sorry about that. We will never speak of it again. Last year we did the bushfire stuff. Who knows what unimagin tragedy will befall us next year? So that's a fun thought. What could go wrong? It's not like every year gets progressively worse since 2001.

Well, see you next week everybody. Bye. Bye.