Boonta Vista - EPISODE 225: That's Gamings Now (Feat. Trevor Strunk)

Episode Date: November 11, 2021

Andrew, Theo, and Ben are joined by long-time returning guest and No Cartridge host Trevor Strunk to talk about his new book on the impact of video games on culture, plus: pipe. *** Story Mode: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54982960-story-mode *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Merchandise: shop.boontavista.com/ Twitch: twitch.tv/boontavista

Hello and welcome to Buntavista episode 225. And a special welcome to any of our new friends from Yazoo City, Mississippi. Now you might be wondering, I mean this is just sort of like a thing that kind of was on a billboard. There's some grammatical errors in that billboard that's from the agent. We kept that. But you might be wondering like, you know, okay, so it's a podcast. So like most podcasts are about something, like you know, you might be like going absolutely bananas about serial killers, maybe one of the host st, wrote a porno or something like that.

But we're a little different. We do things a little our own way here at Buntavista where it's actually not about anything. It's not like not professionally made I would say. Okay. You know, like none of us really have good voices for radio or podcasts that sort of thing. Whoa. It's not... But Andrew yeah, the rest of us know. You know I wouldn't say it's good or funny. It's not insightful. We don't really research anything. You're not going to learn anything. You're not going to learn anything. Yeah. We, we have a good time doing but you, I mean, that's just us.

You might not, that might not transfer to you. Um, none of our dicks work. Yeah. Lucy's might. I don't know anything about Lucy. She's not on this episode. Also, I'm not going to belabor the point too much, because we actually have a very special guest today. So we'll get to that as well.

We'll introduce him in approximately 10, 15 minutes. We're not really good at doing the intros either. And pretty exciting because this guest actually does things where usually our guests are kind of drek that we're kind of goblins yeah need a sort of something to keep their mind away from doing fentanyl so here we go we kind of we kind of any new lessons we kind of kick stuff off with a little little intro scenario but it's all it's all fiction it's made up it's all made up none of it's real I of course I'm Theo I'm not the host of the show so that's another weird thing about this show and I'm here inside the Buntavista Hacker Space which is a disgusting shed somewhere in the far reaches of the

industrial area and each of us are feverishly creating our own game true to each one of our visions. Peering over my shoulder, you get a glimpse of what I'm working on, which is Relax on Saturday Morning Simulator. There are three amazing scenarios to choose from. You've got sitting on the couch drinking a coffee, sitting on the back deck drinking a coffee, or sitting by the Creek drinking a coffee. That one's a DLC. Not quite finished, but you know, reasonably priced afterwards. So the left shoulder button brings up the character's phone on which you can see a fully completed to-do list and no cell reception. And occasionally on the screen the words, there is nothing you need to worry about. Flash up. So that's nice. I think I'm going to enjoy that and I hope you guys do too. I'm also here th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm th. to th. thi. I'm thi. I'm tho. th. the the the the the the the the the to to to to to be. I. I'll to be. I'll the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. I'm thi. thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. thr. thr. to. teeeate. to. te. today. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the think I'm going to enjoy that and I hope you guys do too. I'm also here with Andrew as always, who's been contracted out to produce the licensed Neon Genesis Evangelion video game.

Now as I understand Andrew, the MEC combat is not really like up and going yet, haven't really started, but you have really fleshed out the teenage boy hormonally confused about his sexually mature housemate slash mother figure slash employer part of it? Yeah, that's where I would say roughly 100% of the focus is going. Yeah, mainly. I mean, I'm getting a lot of notes from the studio about this. Saying you're great, you're completely true to the vision of Evangelion. No, they're not saying that. There's a lot of, please, please desist, stop. We really need you to switch focus, but like I take this responsibility seriously.

Yeah, you're not gonna be like, I mean this is an auteur kind of thing. You're not gonna be like shifted by the, like commercial whims or anything. I've never seen any of the show before or anything. I watched the first episode or two, and at that point he is shacking up with his horny, sexy mother slash big sister figure. And I said, that's it, that's all it needs to know. Turn it off. And this prompt that's kind of come up on the screen there, press X to Upsk., what, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, th, th, th, th, their, th, th, th, th, their, their, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, that, and I's, the, the, the, the, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's the the the, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I is, and I is, and I is, and I is, and I is, and I is, and I is, and I is.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S. And, and the the th. And, and th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, th. the th. And, the the the th. up on the screen there, press X to Upskirt. What's that about? That's um, look, I'll be doing a gameplay demo of that later.

Very physically modeled. With us also is Ben, who is busily tweaking the settings for Tress FX fur rendering on the most photo realistic interaction depiction of Bigfoot that you've ever seen. With a hand inside a VR glove he strokes the fur on Bigfoot's beautiful arm giving just a right amount of haptic feedback to really give the impression that you're right there with the gentle giant himself while Bigfoot the most incredible looking bong hit you've ever seen. That's a come man, this is... I'm really excited. Smokeweed with Bigfoot Simulator 2021 is coming along beautifully at this point.

You know, a lot of people think that what you've just witnessed of the gameplay footage there, of actually interacting with Bigfoot is the most important part of the game, but that's not true. 90% of the game, Bigfoot is nowhere to be not every playthrough will, you know, it's fun, but that's not really. The aim of the game is mostly to yearn for Bigfoot. That's where the joy is. Yeah. Press X to leave Bigfoot alone. Yep. You see him in the distance and you go, hey man, keep on trucking. Just right let him wander off. Just right to unsee. Gone

fear my mind. And as alluded to, finally, this week in the horrible 100% humidity, Buntavista Hacker Shed slash zoning violation, we're joined by a very special and long-time returning guest. I didn't look it up, episode 17, episode 13. 13. Very long time ago. Jesus. Good Lord. Host of the wonderful no cartridge podcast, which is much better than this one. Actual author and all around Angel, Trevor Strunk. Now Trevor, I see that your game that you're working on here is called Shower with your dad simulator, 2015. And it is looking great, but but I sort of, one bit of bad news.

Oh no. I think it's already taken. Well, so I know what you're thinking. This is Bonner Man Incorporated, you know, our good friend. Yeah, dear, dear Marvin. Beautiful, beautiful, dear friend and number one enemy. This is sort of, so, uh, you guys might not know a lot about contemporary art and that's okay. It's a very famous contemporary art piece where someone essentially copied an image of, I believe it was a pop art thing of the Marlboro man.

Or a more recent one where someone bought an Andy Warhol drawing and drew 99 others and sold them all at the same price. So you might get a Warhol, you might not. Not even the artist knows. It's about confusing authorship. So I've remade this game up from the code all the way up. Mostly through this game creation device I call Steam. Yeah. Really only allowed to like the top, top devs. But it's a labor of love. It's an art. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the the the their. It's their. It's their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. You might. You might. You might. You might. You might. You might. You might. You might. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a their. It's a their. It's a their th. It's a th. It's th. th. their their their their. their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's a their. It's their. Really only allowed to like the top top devs. But it's a labor of love. It's an art piece. I don't expect everyone to get it. I think you guys will once you play it. Marvin and I haven't talked for the past two years as I've been putting it together, but you know we'll met fences eventually. I noticed that your game is like it's ready to be wish listed and it's going on sale at a price of five cents less than Marvin's show with your dad's formula?

So that would be 64 cents. That's correct, yes. It's on sale for 64 cents. You know, we just feel like everyone should be able to afford art, not just the 1% who can drop 69 cents at any given point. That's a lot of money. That's so, that's the can drop 69 cents at any given point. That's a lot of money. That's so, that's so beautiful. Side, actual serious point, I've almost yelled at Marbon to increase the price of

Share with your dad simulated 2015 from like $1 to $2. It's so good. And he, he never did. He could have almost twice as much money as he, because everyone that bought it a dollar would buy it for $2. It's a great game, by the way. Go and play share with your dad simulated. Buy Marbon one more pizza base by purchasing shower with your dad. Do you still shower with your dad. But no, it's legitimately $1.00 and quite often on sale for $0. I like Marvin's game because people will,

it's one of those games that, I feel this happens a lot with video games where people will look at them and like if they aren't really familiar with what they're supposed to be doing, they're like, well, this is weird, like this is a straight, like I'm kind of freaked out by this. And like, sharp's that game on your list? Like, why do you have that game? And then when you play it, it's impossible to deny its charm?

It's great and fun. And then the person has to admit they like shower with your dad simulator 2015. I mean, they don't have to unless like legally obligated. Usually they're required. There's actually in the Ula. Disclosure agreement, yeah. Oh my goodness. Marvin, strange individual. Oh, a lovely individual. One of my favorites. Like you said, Ben, hope he enjoys his fifth pizza of the day for the 400th consecutive day.

I don't know. But he's like, he's woken up at four in the morning after 12 hours of sleep because of his lifestyle. He has cooked himself history's greatest pizza. He's filmed a video of him eating it and then reversed that video and post it's the internet, and then he's going back to sleep for another 20 hours. I feel like I need to recap just briefly the story of me and Marvin, maybe to give our new listeners a little bit of context as well. So he of course developed Share with your dad Simulant to 2015, as Trevor kind of mentioned,

it's a actually very endearing. It's a fun game. It came out and like, you know, a bunch of people, like giant bomb did a big special on it, where they were like, what the fuck is this game. It came out and like, you know, a bunch of people like Giant Bomb did a big special on it where they were like, what the fuck is this game and ended up being like completely won over by it. So yeah, it did very, it did very well became like a very, a sort of a meme game and I kind of looked at it and I friended him on Twitter and and like months later or something that I saw a photo of him and then it dawned on me, oh that's that's Marvin that's the guy I used to smoke

weed with in my apartment in Logan and and listen to a porcupine tree while watching the milk drop win amp visualizationization just fucking out of our gourds. Life can be so good. I would say life is good at that problem. I'd hope teenagers know the pleasure of getting really stoned, listening to the shittiest, yeah, supposedly smart person music while looking at a visualizer. I hope kids still have visualizers. Yeah, visualizers. Hey, they've really gone. Nothing more predatory than Prog Rock man. Like that, you just like, you just, you walk into a, well, you don't anymore, but when I was younger, you'd walk into a music store and there'd be like good music all

around. And then over in the prog rock section, there would just be like rendered spheres and dragons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this is what grown-ups listen to, I'm pretty sure. Just the worst album covers you've ever seen. I'll have to buy like Dragon Spells Death of the Death of the Death of the Adder part seven or something like that and like listen to that once and then never pick it up again. Yeah, it is all the the the the the th is all th is all th is all th is all th is all th is all th is all th is all th is all th is all th is all their th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. the the th. the th. the the th. the the the the th. up again. Yeah, it is all one 72-minute long song on that. That's the first thing you gotta need to know about Dragon Dix, spell of the, and so on.

God, I still listen to Prog Rock, I'm so fucking stupid. It happens, and it gets in your head. I listen to Magma. That's the Prague I listen to. The French band Magma, who are you guys familiar with Magma? I am familiar with Magma. I haven't like seriously dug into it. It was one of those bands where it's like, oh yeah, you have to check this out and I listen to it and it's incomprehensible. What you need to have a person who tells you at which two parts of the song are the catchy parts in the 70 minute long song. Here it comes.

Yeah. Oh, in 17 minutes, there's a riff that lasts for 10 seconds and it makes it so worthwhile. Because they keep building up to it and they're not playing it. It's a, yeah, the lead singer of Magma Christian Vander, who also made his own solo records. Very good, you should check him out. He went kind of insane and thought he saw a vision of an alien race that needed to our help to save the world. So he made up his own language and that's what most of Magma is in. It's called Kauaian.

So none of it makes sense. That's so good. If you're looking to add it to Magma, listen to the first, I'm sorry, the last seven minutes, which is maybe their caciest song. Fuck. Oh, not the last seven minutes of the song. No, no, it's only seven minutes long. Only. I'm just looking at reviews for shower with your dad's simulator 2015 on Steam. Mm-hmm. The reviews are classified as overwhelmingly positive. 95% of the reviews for this game are positive.

So under the helpful reviews, we've got, my dad and I play this together. After a long, hard and very sweaty gaming session, we shower together. Thanks for bringing us together. I'd recommend playing this with any dad if you want to get closer. Also got this game is so inspiring that I now shower with my dad every day. Great. You've got some bringing people together or specifically boys and their dads. Yeah totally worth one dollar the dads have nice pixelated penis. A dream come true. It's kind of how he got famous right was

because the decision that steam made to pixelate the penises which are four pixels. Four pixels then had to apply like the steam the the Sims style blur over the pixelate four pixels. Yeah. And finally the review it's okay I guess from the... How do you pixelate? Four pixels. Yeah. And finally, the review, it's okay, I guess, from the Siler with 499.7 hours on record. Jesus fucking Christ. Well, I mean, he hasn't quite gotten his Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours of showering with his dad. He's not a master yet. Yeah. He's on his way. Paduan. So, so, so Trev. As to the triv. As we mentioned, to to th, th, to th, to th, th, th, to to to to to th, th, to th, to to to th, to th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, I I the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the-a' thi-a' okay, thi-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'e-a'er. It's thi- daddian. He's not a master yet. He's on his way. Paduan. So, so Trev, as we mentioned, you have become a published, a published author of a sexy

heartback. It is, you know what's funny, so yeah, I'll tell you I should probably, this thing where I don't like to market or talk about the work I do, it really makes it hard because I also like people to listen to and read the work, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll th th th th th th th thi, I'll thi, I'll th thi, I'll the, I'll th th th the, I'll the, I'll the, I'll the, I'll the, I'll the, I'll th, I'll, I'll th, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll th, I'll th, I'll th, I'll th, I'll th, I'll th, I'll th th the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thea, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to market or talk about the work I do, it really makes it hard because I also like people to listen to and read the work I do. So it's this real, you know, it's this real dichotomy. Well, we also had that problem as well. That's why we purchased a billboard in beautiful Yazoo City, Mississippi. Well, if you didn't want people to listen to it in Yazoo. And then did as much as we could to alienate everybody that listens to the podcast. And if you've stuck around, you're from Yazoo City and you're still listening to this

episode, hey, it's so fucking good to have you. It's really great. No, and you know what, Mississippi's beautiful. I know you get a bad rap in this country, but there's a lot of lovely people out down south. And I have a northerner that doesn't want the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th. th. th. th. th. that that that th. Yeah, they they th. Yeah, they th. Yeah, they th. Yeah, they th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, the th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, the thi. Yeah, the the the the the th. Yeah,therner that doesn't want to bomb you all unlike some of my compatriots. That's so beautiful. Yeah, I know it's important they know. But the book is called Story Mode. It's available everywhere and apparently for some people it is available already. It's supposed to be out on the 15th, but several people online just keep sending me pictures of them with the book. And they'll hold it out. I haven't even written it yet. But like, I actually don't have them. I've never, I don't own a copy yet.

So like everyone has a copy of my book but me. Don't you post me your copy of the book? Yeah, I want that. That's mine now. But now it's about video games. You guys like video games? No. Sometimes. Oh gosh. I've not.

I've got to go. I'm playing prey at the moment. Oh, that's it. It's so good. I'm having a wonderful time. I'm yelling at the TV a lot because I'm getting fucking murked all the time by. Yeah.

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screen turns off. But actually, actually did see a, someone said that at some point in like the DS or something on the, it was either the DS or an earlier handheld, visual novels started using like, you know, loading screens that were like blue or something like that because like people were becoming unnerved, playing a visual novel for a while, and then it would go to a loading screen and you just see your own sweaty face like reflected in the council. But no, the book's about, the book covers like series basically so like either literal series like metal gear or final fantasy or sort of genre based series that I think kind of hold together as a kind of shared project.

Like, first-person shooters, horror games, things like that. The purpose of the book is to look at games as sort of a burgeoning medium. I don't make any claims as to whether or not their art. I sort of in the beginning chapter say, like, I'm not going to do that. It's like not a question I can answer and I'm not really interested in talking about it in real life. We can talk about the last one. Let's hash it out right now once and for all. Yeah let's do it. I have my I have my I have my wigi board I'm calling up old Raji Ebert. Yes. Raja there? He'd love to talk about it I think still even from hell where he is. The we're We're the the thi. He's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho. thu tho. that that that that that th th th. th. that that that that th. th. th. th. th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th. Let's th th th th th th th that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that the. Let's the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let's the. Yeah, let need to speak to my wife, where are my loved ones?

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welcome to my prosopoetic epic novel poem. And it'll be like, to describe what this is, and he'll just like go for 10 pages just describing what the thing is, he's like, but you remember from the last time you picked up the book, and it'll just keep doing it. Now you should bring that back. That's so good. It's th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. I. I. I's, th. I's, th. I's, tho, tho, tho. I's, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho. I. I. I. I's, th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's, to. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. It's. It's. It's it's awesome. It's so good. Such a good bit. And there's Trish from Shandy, which I've brought up a lot talking about this book,

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And so, like, they could be standard and quite, and daring at the same time within a genre and have this big mix. But it feels like now with games, they've sort of diverged where every game either has to cost $150 million and it's Assassin's Creed, and this time it's in Bristol, in Bristol, in Br Bri, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in Bristol, you know, during, I don't know what the fuck. Or... When is Assassin's Creed Brisbane coming? Yeah, absolutely.

And you can, I think probably Assassin's Creed, Gold Coast would be better. You've got more verticality. And you can go on the rides at Warner Brothers Movie World in a cool tie-in. But then you've also got like games that are just existential horror where Thomas the Tank Engine chases you around a map for like four hours. Like and honestly that's like that's way more what I'm interested now. I can't can't we've talked about this when I was on your show Trevor, like the concept of just grinding through another fucking 60 hours of Assassin's Creed of Far Cry 6, you

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see a whole massive shelf of just knockoffs of things trying to launch the next. Yeah, hunger games. Same thing for 50 shades of gray, that sort of stuff. Which of course is a fanfic of Twilight. You know that, right? Yeah. Written under the name Snow Queens Ice Dragon. Very cool. The masters of, what was it called? The Master of the Universe or something? I think that's right. Yeah. My goodness. That sounds right. But yeah, like video games have had a much more condensed version of that timeline of getting from the sort of smaller studio system through to diverging into indie stuff and getting more corporatized and now we've already settled into that. Yeah, like, like, well even, I was thinking about the gap between, um, the gap between

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That's right. Yeah. Firstly, Super Mario 1 and 2, he was Armenian. Yeah. They did not play well with audiences. They just had them blurted out on the screen for American audiences. Yeah, still banned in Turkey. Mist then was the biggest selling title all the time, right?

A hugely original and and really quite weird intellectual puzzle game, right? For a game that has like nine polygons, weirdly immersive world building is. Oh wonderful, yeah, with the music and everything. Real attention to the actual artistry of it, the sound design, all that sort of stuff, followed by the Sims, right? Now the Sims was, I mean, now it's sort of a staple and we kind of understand as part of our, like the cultural fabric of gaming. But when it came out, it was just there was just nothing,

nothing like it. It was a completely new genre. Right, it was sort of like the ultimate conclusion of the SimC like SimCity, Sim Dolph, Sim, Ant, well okay now it's... Imagine if... Zooming, zoom out a little bit from Sim Ant. Imagine if Sim Ant was the touchstone that like every single computer has had SimAnton, everyone spent a couple hours playing Sim Ant.

I made my own house in Sim the te. They've got a team of 300 people in the Philippines doing like the inverse kinematics for Sim Ant 7. Just like release a new species of Ant every couple of months. And then of course Grand Theft Auto 3 came out and then Call of Duty Modern Warfare came out and that's been it now for Blossom Games now. That's gaming's now. That's gaming now. Part of it though, if you look at when those games came out, like, it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it, it, like, it, it, like, it, like, it, like, it, it, it, like, like, like, it, it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they. It, it, it, they. they. they. they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're it though, if you look at when those games came out, like, it, you're looking at like

a massive escalation in graphics over the time games have been a thing, right? So if you think about it really the modern conception of games at this point, I don't think you can really count the Atari. I think you have to start with the NES, basically NES master system that year is. So you're talking like 85 maybe, let's just say for ease this sake. You go through like 85 to now, that's you know, how old am I? 36? That's 36 years. And so like the, like, to think about going from Mario, which probably uses less pixels than shower with your thio, to like what we're seeing now in the PS5, right? Like in 36 years is remarkable, but it's also like, it's clear that at a certain point you could develop

for those less demanding things, but to develop a game like, Ben points out, like play, like Prey is this massively, I don't know if you know this about Pray Ben, but one of the coolest things about it is, so it takes a super long time to load, you may have noticed that. The reason it takes a super long time to load is because it models and remembers where every single object is in every iteration of the game. So if you throw a coffee cup on the ground and then like come back to that area, the coffee cup is still going to be on the ground. It keeps the thing like that. That is such a cool thing and it's like a really neat idea and it has its own sort of thing. Can you imagine how much time that to test to model to develop, to model to do it. And like when you don't have that that capacity.. that capacity that capacity that capacity that capacity the the the to to to to to to to to be. And to do. And to be. And to be. And to be. And to be to be to be to be like, to be a to be like, to be a to be a to be like, it. And it. And it's a to be like, it's a to be like, it's a to be like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thing. And like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to be like, to. And, to. And, like, to. And, like, like, like, like, it. And, like, like, like, like, like, it. And, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, know, Super Nintendo or N64 PlayStation 2 games, right? You kind of just have to make the game. And yeah, it got expensive by the time PlayStation 2 was called a duty modern warfare was no cheap game.

But like, you could still make big swings and big misses. At this point, if you get a, like, praise the closest to like a sort of mid-tier game, or mid-market game that we've seen in a long time. If you take a big swing and miss, then you're like, I mean, Ubisoft swung and missed with Anthem and almost like had to close as a studio. Did Anthem actually come out? Oh, it came out. Yes. I played it. It's. But it is a valid question. I just remember saying stuff about it being upcoming and they're never, ever hearing about it again. Like, I honestly, my line with an all the time, and it just like, it radically just became less and less enthusiastic every time I said it. Like the first time I tried it, I was like, the flying and this feels great.

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which of course you can't do these days, you end up with the new modern warfare games where, you know, where they've gone, well, look, we're going to be edgy, we're going to kind of show the realities of war. And what that means means means means means means means means means means means that means means that means means that means means that means that means means that means means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means thi means thi means thia thia thia thia thia thia thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thei. thei. theiii. theii. thei. thei. thei. th kind of show the realities of war. And what that means occasionally is that a terrorist will be in like in plain clothes and also we're going to blame the highway of death on the Russians. A truly despicable corporate act. Listen, I, uh, prove that it wasn't them. I don't know. Were you there? Were you there? Were you there? No, that's certainly true. Yeah, like the... I guess to... You know at that point in Jarhead where they kind of look up at the battle that's just going on,

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they've gone to all these amazing exotic locations and the movie is not a tiny bit of fun. And you know like it's... How do you do that with an art haste? Yeah so so you know like it's it's entirely possible to pour a shitload of money into something and make something that as a result is not really any fun to watch or to play and I think with like with the big like first-person shooter franchises you can see that more and more of them these days are just putting out a game that doesn't have a story mode. Yeah, because they are. They're not worth it.

Well, they're all, they would all take an enormous amount of money. Most of them are completely sort of humorless, not any kind of fun to play. They're always, they're always like laden with this sort of really, really just fake, overcooked morality, which I think if the people who made those games really cared about morality, they probably wouldn't be making billions of dollars from doing like, you know, murder simulators or whatever, like, probably would be a deal. So yeah, in a lot of cases, like cases, like myself, people who play first-person shooter games

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There's a lot of people who will never ever touch the story mode of any of those games. And I mean that's when a blockbuster works, right? Like when you can look at something like Callup Duty and be like, well, you know, like say what you will, it's a fun game. Like, that's like the problems but like well and that's the criticism of the Eternals as well is they they spent a shitload of money on this and they got they got an Oscar-winning director they they shot in real locations instead of sound stages so on and so forth but all of the negative reviews

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Marvel movie and then the credits just keep rolling until you got a so they got a so they're gonna happen yeah it's a 17 hours I'll see the UFO if I put in another 15,000 hours yeah I will say the thing that made me give up on Marvel movies, honestly, it's weird saying it now since he became such a big deal. I was a big comic book fan when I was, I mean, not that much younger, but like I would buy, when I was much younger I was, and then when I was 18, 19, 20 I really read a ton of them. And so I was super excited when the first Avengers movie came out. I was like, this is great.

I love the Avengers, like, my favorite superhero team is on the big screen, right? You know, and then they had the teaser. Yeah, unfortunately, you know, we were still, we were still grappling with Serenity. But the, you know, like, there's that teaser where Thanos is there and I was like, oh, they're teasing Thanos, like, it feels stupid. Like, no one cares about this, it's like ridiculous. I was like, I'm out. I'm not interested in this. Like, it really like, you know, it really caved my interest. I was like, this is dumb.

Like, this is gonna be a terrible villain. And like, I never really got back into it. But like on the same level, like, so I'm thinking about games that sort of match that kind of like, you know, going to see, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, this. like, this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this would be like Arnold Schwarzenegger's movie The Eraser, which is like a dumb movie, but like you can watch it, have fun, and leady fun. Yeah, that's a real easy come, easy go. You know, there's a fucking gun that has x-ray sites, he shoots through walls, like red faction. It's fucking great, right?

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Right. Which is like technically still true as the scale of the budget goes up and up, except the scale of the profit is also expected to go up and up as well, which is why you can have a movie make hundreds of millions of dollars and still be considered a disappointment, both critically and financially. I do think it's interesting that... That's what I learned with Warcraft movie. I didn't realize there was a second one of the Warcraft movie. There's not, not yet. Oh my goodness.

I hope so. I hope it's coming. So, yeah, I was thinking about how we were saying that video games had this like accelerated version of the process the movies went through. And I think that the Marvel Cinematic Universe did a really good job of having a massively accelerated version of what comics went through because comics used to just be this is a comic book about this character and it's not really related to any of our other comic book characters or anything like that. The Spider-Man movies with Toby McGuire were like that.

Yeah and then over a long stretch of time comic books wound up having you know they would have reboots and they'd have alternative lines of the same thing, and then they'd have alternative universes, and then they'd have all the characters starting to appear in each other's books, and then they'd have all these incredibly confusing timelines and overlaps. And then they'd have all the the resets. And then they'd have all. Yep, resets and then they throw out the resets, they reboot the resets, all that sort of stuff. Yeah, they do a soft reboot, they got a hard reboot. They got a... And you know what they call that? They call that the Great Reset.

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Everything looks like Spider-Man. Yeah. I will say like, and I don't want to delay getting to the goodness a bunch of this to any longer, but the, I will say like, I think to kind of go back to the question of medium, like one thing that video game and film have to, video games and film, I'm not coming up with a new name for the medium, I'm sorry, this is video game, it's like, that's what we call the genre. Yeah, like meta-rebrand. Yeah, yeah, I'm just, I'm doing it from the ground up, baby. But one thing that like they are, those genres are, those mediums, excuse me, are struggling with is that, you know, they can look back at things that have worked and been profitable for previous iterations of the things they're try to do. Like, they can look back at Marvel and be like, oh yeah, like, once they started doing secret wars and all that stuff, like, all the crossovers, that sold pretty well. Or like, oh, geez, like once it was clear that like,

you know, Wonder Woman could show up in a Batman comic and there'd be some sort of understanding about them knowing each other and like some shared background, that sure sold some comics. I think they solved that problem very easily by the one panel where Batman says, oh, we met a defunction earlier, right? That's where we know each other from and then it's it's cleared up immediately. I really like the old Marvel comics where they say stuff like like when the Fantastic Fourts and a Spider-Man comic he'll just be going around the city and then he'll go like, hey match stick get out of my way. And you're

like, oh Spider-Man knows who the fantastic for her. Yeah, and he's just going like the porn store like the he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he th. And he's th. And he's th. And he's th. And he's th. And he's th. And he's th. And he's th. And he's the the the the the the f the f the f the f the f th. And he's like, th. And he's like, th. And he's like, th. And he's like, th. And he's like, th. And he's like, th. And he's th. And he's like, th. And he's th. And he's th. And he's just, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thin. And he's just, like, like, like, like, th. And he's th. But like I think like I think there is an a radically accelerated timeline with this stuff because like people know what makes money and they're going for it as opposed to sort of thinking about it from like oh how do we how do we build this medium, which like I don't want to make it sound like the novel raiders of the 18th century were like artistists or something They wanted to sell their books their books their books their books their their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books their books to their books. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. I. I. I. I. I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. te. te. te. te. te. te. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th like the novel writers of the 18th century were like artists or something. They wanted to sell their books to like real bad. Um, Tale of Two Cities, DLC. Yeah, no, you'd sell it and sell it, man. I call that. I just kind of say I don't think this joke makes sense.

I call that David Copperfield. Take that. But yeah, it's like, it's like, you know, it's like, it's like, you know, those early novels are trying their best to be better artistically because they think then they will sell better to people who care about novels. And what games unfortunately are doing now and film is doing now is like focusing on what will sell better to people because they've seen it done before. So it does feel iterative, it feels boring, it feels soulless, right? It's just, it's getting more precise more your analytics from a movie that you've put

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I'm gonna get segues, gotta get theme tunes. So we're gonna have to drop into a special video game-related edition of one of our normal segments, and that is with a lead pipe. Yes, this is the segment in which we talk about things that we would like to hit your hand the hand, yeah. Yes, this is the segment in which we talk about things that we would like to hit with the lead pipe. So this is more the sort of standard tone of the show. If this is your first time, welcome to listeners from Yazoo City, Mississippi. So anyone want to go first with their their their their their the welcome the listeners from Yazoo City in Mississippi. So anyone want

to go first with their list of video game-related lead pipe volunteers. I reckon I can keep itself. Go for it. Yeah. All right. So getting us started we've got Kirby. The disgusting pink aberration who joins us from beyond the area X anomaly. He's suggesting that Kirby's dreamland is inside. That is exactly what I'm suggesting. As far as I can tell, he knows no language understandable by human ears. And he's corporarily sustained by identity theft. Anybody or anything in your life could be this magenta mistake and he has

never once depicted bathing. He's kind of an ego vampire. A little bit, yeah. Because he has none himself. He's a pure creature of eard, but he must go around swallowing identity as well. Peter Sellers. But he's more like Cappy from Super Mario Odyssey. Yeah. Yeah. He's a more, he more sort of like swallow the identity of his others. He's a lot like Cappy from Super Mario Odyssey. Yeah. Yeah, he more sort of like takes on some of the characteristics of the thing that he's just inhaled, right? He doesn't become, he's not like Mr. Mime from Pokemon, who I would also like to hit with lead pipe.

Yeah, you get that one for free. It's a great one. In the Pokemon movie, Detective Pikachu, not sure if anyone's seen that. Filmed on 35mm film, that movie. It's a fun bit of trivia for you. There they have a... There is a Mr. Mime character in that. There is a Mr. Mime in Detective Pikachu, and they represent that by having a normal person, but with the little Mr. Mime in Detective Pikachu and they represent that by having a normal person but with the little Mr. Mime button eyes in place of where their eyes normally are and it's fucked up and I don't like looking at it. That's terrified. That's terrific. that or a Mr. Mime. Sorry, did I mean. Jesus for fuck sake. Get your shit sorted. They also have a Mr. Mime. And for whatever. They also remember from, their and I, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they're. And it's they they're. They they're. They they're. They they're. They're. They're. They're. They're they're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're. They're they. They're they're they're they're they're they they're they they they they they they also. They they also. They they also. They they also. They Twitter or whatever he's Italian-American.

Quite hairy. I don't recall that. It's the classic, listen, maybe the French are known for it, but as a 25% Italian man, let me say, the Italians did it better. At some point in that movie, I think Pikachu has a knife, which is a very funny idea to me that you could arm a Pokemon. It's a really good way of dealing with like a franchise. I think it's pretty cool. Like I like that they went for it. Yeah, it's good.

And it's clear that like nothing in this could become, uh, well, the like side step. the like, can never become canon. So it's much fun with this possible, you know? Give him a givem a gun. We should give Lucy a gun in a non-cannon episode. You just like to get my house in the states. Yeah, true. All right, I also have Crash Bandicoot. He's a terrifying beast to me.

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Isn't he Australian? He doesn't. He's not a real Australian. In name. He's an Australian in name only. He doesn't have the demeanor or the behaviors of an Australian man. Do people steal Australian valor. Just a thing? Well, just crushed Bandicoot. Just vaguely Australian.

Oh, and the character, Robert Muldoon in Jurassic Park, who for some reason people claim that he's an Australian character, he isn't. And finally, kind of capping us off here, the Navigator's Head from Monkey Island One. Now if you haven't seen it I would I would encourage you to type in, navigate his head Monkey Island and look at the image tab there. He's a horrible little severed shrunken head that you get from a voodoo tribe. He might help you navigate the unknowable caverns of hell to reach the ghost ship of Lechuk. No slo- No spoilers for it.

Ben I'd love to reach the ghost ship of Lechuk. No spoilers for it. 1998-3. Yeah, Monkey Aunt. Ben, I'd love to do a stream. You and I, old adventure games. That would be great. Yes, please. It's, hmm. I just hate the way he looks at me.

Okay. And you could really, you could popped up on my Mac. Yeah, you gotta stack that bad boy on a tea and kind of, yeah, fwap him off into the depths of magma. Yeah, fwap him off indeed. Absolutely. Into sheer ecstasy. Getting fwapped off by fear. All right, Trevor. What do you got for us? Okay, so I went a little more, I like, I really thought about people that I would like to beat up with a lead pipe, and I ended up going a little more obscure with it, so I hope that's okay. Absolutely.

So my first choice, actually, Ben, you might know this person because of what you said, I would like to beat with a lead pipe the adoring fan from the Elder Scrolls Oblivion. Absolutely, I believe it's a small Bosma, I think. And he's annoying his shit. I hate it so much. If you've ever seen the adoring fan, one of the funniest sweets I've ever seen was someone saying that that MK Ultra Money guy who's very annoying on Twitter looks like the adoring fan. He does. It's like the best possible own I could think. I'm looking at a blonde foe-hawk.

Yeah, I'm looking at him right now, don't care for it. It's not good. Awful. And he wants to join your party and he's useless. Imagine the worst person on earth in your entire life. Now imagine he had a super power which was locking your attention, completely forcibly. So if you the the opposite direction, you have to swing 165 degrees. Entire viewpoint uncontrollably to lock square on his face.

Yeah, you have to, it delivers you in the worst fucking voice available. Just disgusting words. I hate him. I learned looking into this character that if you kill him, perfectly understandable if you choose to do so, he respawns after three days. Yeah, I'll say he's a vital MPC. Jesus Christ. He's a vital MPC. He's such a coward's move.

Yeah, he's terrible. Yeah, he's terrible. I feel like all the hate Navi gets from the legend of Zelda games. Yeah, 100%. My second pick is, so this is real out there, but it's something that was very near and dear to my heart. I'm a big fan of the Final Fantasy MMO, Final Fantasy 14. I played a lot of it. Very, very good. Probably my favorite final fantasy game. There's a weird NPC that shows up in the worst part of the game, which is like the mid-patch area between the game rebooting, sort of like kind of after its first horrible start,

it rebooted entirely and made a whole new game famously. And that's kind of interesting, it's called a realm reborn. And then the patch in between had to stretch out because they didn't have a new game because they just made a whole other one, so they didn't have an expansion pack and so they had to scramble. And so it's just like horrible quests. And the one quest you get, a number of quests you get is from this guy named H.O.R.Y. Boulder. He is a... Yeah. Okay, I can't stand. I think that's a syndrome that, um, that that guy that got the coronavirus vaccine? Yeah, no, that's right.

Is that Nikki Menage's cousins? We've got horriboulders, yeah. Yeah, and honestly, you know, you don't want to have that happen. He has the worst hair. It's like this... That's unpleasant. He's got Trump's hair. It does look a lot like Donald Trump. He, um... Imagine, there's nothing good about him. Imagine Ginger Donald Trump. Why does his head look like that? With a dangly earring wearing one of like the, the big suits from Warhammer 40K. And you got this guy. Yeah. It's awful. It's hen, hea. He's hea. He's hea. he's he's like. he's like like like like like like like like like like like like like like he he's like he's like he he he he he he th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. he's he's he's he's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thee the the thi the thi the thi the the the the the the th Warhammer 40K. And you got this guy. Yeah. It's awful.

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And I remember at this point we were like, we were in the right, like the sort of hub area where you had to get your quest from Horry Boulder and they were like, God damn it, like I'll take one more quest from Horry Boulder, I think I'm done with this game. I was like, I get it. I get it, this guy's insufferable. Um, and like a weed dealer that kind of like like mean to him because he's the guy that actually brings you your goods. Yeah, you're not going to get, you're not going to get to the good part of the game if you don't talk to Horry Boulder a bunch. It's a real moral kind of thing.

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But like, his dad like freaked out. He was like, don't do it. He was like, I think do not commit a cyber crime. Don't. For some reason that like the energy of that immediately reminded of, probably that tweet, the guy, pissing off his uncle during Super Bowl when the horses do the kneeling thing by telling him that the horses are kneeling towards Mecca? No, don't say that. Don't say that. There's something strangely pure about getting very

upset by the idea of your kid. What kind of the... It was... I mean like we definitely all, I'm sure we've all had that experience. Like you're saying,trev when you're 13 and edgy you know I remember playing a game called a soldier of Fortune Solo fortune to double helix. Yeah, that's the one where you can like despicably like Yeah, just absolutely they're head apart and stuff. You could just remember people joint by joint. Yeah. Yeah.

And I remember playing that and just like dissecting people. And then you saw after a bit you're like, probably not meant to be doing this really. Yeah, and your mom kind of walks in and goes, poor man, okay. He's fine, mom. I feel like those games are only made so that you shoot them in the crotch. I think that's like they only they make it they do the rest of give it cover but they're like no one's gonna do anything but shoot them in the crotch. Yeah it's like those are the sniper games that have yeah. Fully

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I would marry any of them. And I was like, would you marry Nosferatu? And I was like, well, that's even worse than the other one I was going to ask you, which is Bella Ligosey. And I found out that she would definitely marry Bella Ligosi. I mean, I, the like 1920s, no, like a couch you could sit on. Yeah, or is that a, what's his name, it plays him in the 20s, twe, th. Now Bella goes he's sort of more like a couch. Like a nice couch you could sit on. Yeah. Or is that, what's his name, who plays him in the 20s?

Very pointy. Max Shrek? Yeah, very pointy individual. He is thrumming with erotic energy though. He's yeah, he's walking around the room. You've always like, you know, even a good arbiter of erotic energy. That's mainly what I do. I spend a lot of time on the internet being like, erotic, not erotic, a little bit erotic, but only sometimes.

You're like the art decider again. The erotic decider. Oh god, yeah, yeah, that's my other thing that I do. You can tag me in that anytime erotic decider. My second entry was Crash Bandicoot as well. Love to hear your reasons. Just love to see him shoving a big wamper fruit or whatever they called into his mouth and then at that exact moment getting him right in their head. Spin away from this, dickhead. He fucking shoes but no shirt. Awful creature.

Or he jorts. It means he could go into any convenience store though. It is true. You can't legally stop me from coming in, bro. Where's the sign? Yeah. He wouldn't wear a mask. That's slippy and peppy from LyLat Wars.

Oh, I had a slippy toed on my list. Yeah. You said that was from Lylat Wars. That's such an interesting, like, It's that's a spin-off of Star Fox. It's not even like, you've picked a particular. Well, it's the one that I played. I think.

I think, that was the one that was on 64. I think that was Star Fox 64. I also think it was Starfax 64. Oh no, it was called Lylaat Wars. Where was it called? Oh, in PAL it was called Lylat Wars. Wow. There's indicated. Vindicated at last. Wow, that's a I literally have never, like I've, I've, no, I've spent a lot of time thinking about Starfux 64, but uh, never knew that. That's thi. That's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. Oh, th. Oh, the the the the the the the the the their. Oh, their. Oh, they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. in the pal regions fascinating which that's us we're the pals You're the pals yeah, we are the pals you're in my pal region too oh you guys are always in my pal region too Ben's putting the rumble pack on his balls just really zoning out and all of a sudden sliippy is just panicking and yelling in his ear. Get out of Slippy.

Not really destroying his vibe. Yeah, like I know I'm dying. Not erotic. Who appears to die at the start of StarFox 64 where they're like, oh, that's the dual vowel role bit, isn't it? That became famous. Yeah.

That's when Falco, like, unless you shoot all the things behind it behind him and it can be pretty tough in in the first level he he seems to die but he comes back at a pivotal moment and then it just comes back last thing I had to my list is beetle from the Zelda franchise good call great real, fucking turd. Fuck, that reminds. Can I add one to this? Because it was on my list and I forgot. I'm going to take one from my list. Beetle first, though, because he is...

It's just quite irritating. Don't ruin my list, Theo. And he's always got... Oh, you've got the list. Do you've always got also known as Terry? I did not know that. It's a much funnier name. Hi, I'm Terry. Less, yeah.

Would you like some magic beans? Maybe? Oh, they don't grow for seven years. Fuck off. I'll just wait for a while. Would you like to go through yours so we can make sure that Theo is not going to steal your thiiii the the the the the the the the the the to to to to the to to to to to to the the to the to the the the the the the. Fuck off! I'll just leave for a while. Would you like to go through yours so we can make sure that Theo's not going to steal your thunder? Yes, um...

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Can't tell what the fuck you're saying. angry at me. I would love to just know what kind of pipe feel I'm getting when I'm hitting cubit. How many bones are in that guy? You know? I think it's just one bone. Yeah. I think he's like, he's like 90% skull. Yeah, and then his trunk is cartilaginous I think. So that would feel quite nice. I would say his feet probably are too, with maybe some harder, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th.e.e.e.e. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. thi. quite nice. Okay. I would say his feet probably are too with maybe some like hard

Like harder elements on the bottom, but I think there's only one bone See I was thinking like the among us guy post death with just like one bone pointing pointing upwards Yeah, okay? Yeah, yeah, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, get out of here Kubert stop yelling at me in your foreign language. I did have Slippy Toad. I've got tingled from Zelda. Also because Andrew thinks he's foreign. Yeah, there we go. Tingle from Zelda. That's one.

Everything about this guy, his drink. Yeah, he's a horrible man that dresses up like a elf. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Has huge pervert energy. A red nose meaning he's constantly drunk. Yep. Yeah. He's like co-alantly stealing your rupees.

And then like tries to show, like entice children into his shop with a map or something? So yeah, I would love to go to town on that guy, just really lay into him. And the final entry on my list is Baby Mario Mario. I'll take that. Baby Mario, no mustache so he immediately loses his charm, but also that's the main appeal of Mario, the mustache. You're not wrong. Yeah, like very, like very, uh, very, but also that's the main appeal of Mario the mustache. You're not wrong. Yeah, like a very just super annoying character in Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island. Stop crying at me. I'm doing my best. I'm not your guardian. You know, I didn't I didn't ask to look up on yourself as Yoshi. I'm just trying to help out and what are you doing where where I have a little countdown time I get over here

I'm trying to deal with stuff try to deal with things on my island yeah you know I've got eggs delay yeah pop Oh there's another one pop pop just a dry bowser while we're talking about characters that also appear in the Mario cart series Just imagine all those bones they oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh the the the th? th? th? th. th. the th. th. I th. I th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have a th. I have tho. I have a tho. I have a tho. I have a tho. I have a th. I have a th. I have a th. I have a th. I have a th. I have a th. I have a th. I have a th. I I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have th. I have I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have a th. I have a th. I have a the. I have a the. I'm a the. I have a the. I have a the. I have a the. I have a the. I have a the. I have a the appear in the Mario Kart series. Just imagine all those bones. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nothing but bones. And they're big, too. So you'd hit that once. It'd be like xylophone.

Dolphages. Yeah, what about a great name? What about the robot from Chrono Trigger? Oh, Gato., I had his name. Oh, Gato. My name is Gato. He says, they call me Gato. I have metal joints.

Beat me up and earn 15 silver points. Okay. And then he gets angry at you if you don't do it right. He's a little pain pig. Yeah, God, he'd do so well on Twitter. Yeah, he, he'd do so well on Twitter. Oh, God, he'd really would. I'll pay you. And Lucy is not here with us currently, but she did want to say that she mainly wants

to hit Clap Trap from Borderlands. And I can't believe that this hasn't come up yet. The wise cracking robot. It's on a wheel. It's on a wheel. Played by Jack Black in the movie. This is what, this is what Gearbox thinks is funny. You're wrong, it's not funny. It's not, it's not cute.

Combined, it's not smart. Combining the worst elements of a robot and a clown. Hmm. Huh. Huh. Well, I think that's it for us for this episode. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh, thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. thi. that. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. the. it for us for this episode. Trevor, thank you so much for joining us. Oh, thanks for having me.

I love being on Buntavista. It's been a while. It remains one of my favorite shows to come on. I'm sorry, it has been over 200 episodes since the last time. Well, that's on us for making that many. That's true. That's true. We all thought you would it, but yeah. Yeah, making 225 episodes of a podcast in the main stream. It's just Phil's errant.

Yeah. 224. I mean, you have a billboard up now. You're encouraging people to enjoy their time on the road. You're helping stop, if you think about it, you're helping stop needless road. the needless road. That's the road. It's the sleepiest podcast that Australia has to offer.

You can find Trevor on Twitter at Hegelbon. You can listen to No Cartridge on iTunes and Spotify and all those places. There's episodes with Andrew and Theo. I haven't had you yet on Ben, but I will happily. I have had Lucy on. There you go. Oh yeah, you don't like podcasting, right. But yeah, no, I've had the three other members, the non-Ben members as as they're often called of Buntivista on the podcast.

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Yeah, it seems like. It's kind of contractual. You can order Story Mode video games and the interplay between consoles and culture Online that you can get it from pals books Powls dot com Australians you can order it from Angus and Robertson online Everybody else can order it from Amazon. Get your hand. That's great the Australians. I'll tell Australians to go look there because I I honestly have been telling everyone out of the US to go to Amazon because? the? the the the the the the the the the the the to? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to the to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tooos. tooos. tooes. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. the the the the the the they. they. they. they. tttel. tel. tel. the tel. to. to. It's to. It's to. It's to. I. I to. I to. I to. I to. I Australians. I'll tell Australians to go look there because I honestly have been telling everyone out of the US to go to Amazon because Seems like the easiest place to get when you're out of the US

Is that but I'm glad Angus and Angus and Robertson? Yes. Yep, I got mine from Booktopia which as far as I know is not currently trying to destroy the lower middle class of the entire earth. Yeah. You go there about page, it's just says, book topia, our single goal is to destroy the more. Ah, this happens with every company. Thank you for joining us, Trev. Thanks for having me. Go check out no cartridge. And if you did, I guess, stop by the side of the road in Yazoo city and immediately pull open an episode of the podcast and listen to the entire thing before taking off again.

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