Boonta Vista - EPISODE 364: A Horse-Shaped Void

Episode Date: September 22, 2024

Theo, Andrew, and Ben bring you: Remembering the Ladmo Bag, coming out as aphant, temporarily playing as a chilli bun, and bleeding out on your way to Portland. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Email the show at [e-mail]! Call in and leave us a question or a message on 1800-317-515 to be answered on the show! *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Website: boontavista.com Twitch: twitch.tv/boontavista

Hello and welcome to Bountavista episode 364. I am Ben and I'm here in the 23rd century, journeying to worlds yet unexplored on the USS Enterprise. The United Federation of Planets mission is a noble one to bring peace and prosperity to all the spacefaring civilizations in the galaxy who wish to join. Our technological advances and surplus of resources have given us an idyllic society that has moved beyond money where there is housing, healthcare and food for all, and more importantly, where the replicators can make any kind of food you want.

Any kind of food at all. Blue whale burgers, polar bear carpaccio, ostrich feet croquettes, Tamarind spaghetti, Liger Liguidi, miniature horse sliders, Dick Dick Tartare, beer-battered sugar glider, vampire bat enchiladas, Cormorant au poivre, you name it. Here, enjoying a simple meal of mashed potatoes and pulled penguin, It's kind of a fish looking guy. It's Theo. Hey, how you doing? Oh, I'm great. How are you going? You look like you're having a wonderful meal there. Well, yeah, have you ever had penguin before? I've, I've never had penguin and I've never had pulled penguin. You wouldn't think that it would get that fork tender, like that it would just pull apart like that.

Yeah, well they've got a lot like that they're actually quite marbled they would be wouldn't they yeah I wonder if you could see they will probably would be able to get a cross-section of penguin meat just by Google image searching penguin cross-section what do you mean I'm a fishy looking guy oh like because you're a alien from Star. So you're like a man plus some bits. Yeah. So like you've got a few really additive, aren't they? The sort of Star Trek aliens.

Well, they can't be subtractive. No, just due to how human, human faces are. Yeah. Sometimes they'll take the nose off, but then you can sort of see a bump where they're covering up the nose. I've never seen Star Trek, so I'm going to take your word for it. You've never seen like a minute of Star Trek? No.

Huh. Actually, yes. One time when I was probably eight or nine, I was supposed to be asleep, I woke up and I went out to the living room and my parents were watching Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan. It was the bit where they're trying to put an earwig in William Shatner's ear. So I have seen that. And that kind of just gave me nightmares for the foreseeable future. He's like writhing around there trying to like get a beer we can easier

So yeah, you've seen some so you should have seen some it here We big earwig show Andrews posted a picture in the chat that is purportedly Someone offering to trade penguin meat on like Facebook marketplace or whatever Okay, that looks that looks more like maybe like a lamb backstrap to me like like a tenderloin Yeah, sort of a long strip of red meat I don't think penguin meat would be red I'm enjoying the title on this trade penguin meat for three question marks Really leaving himself open to barter here. Yeah, I'm open to whatever you've got

barter here. I'm open to whatever you've got. Man, really, you can Google what color is penguin meat and you'll get basically nothing. What is the point of Google now? What do you mean you just got back from an Antarctic hunting trip and have an insane amount of penguins? I think this is someone doing one of those things where they post a joke listing to a website. Yeah.

Frederick A. Cook, surgeon on the Belg Belgica expedition quote, it is rather difficult to describe its taste and appearance. We have absolutely no meat with which to compare it. The penguin as an animal seems to be made up of an equal proportion of a mammal, fish and foul, if it is possible to imagine a piece of beef and. Oh, Driferous codfish a Driferous codfish. Driferous codfish. Driferous.

There's an R there after the D. I think that's a typo. No, I think he's come up with a beautiful new word. Not even close. An Odiferous codfish and a canvas-backed duck roasted in a pot with a blood and cod liver oil for sauce, the illustration will be complete. Well, I think that makes it pretty clear.

And you can have this on the Star Trek. Odryphorous, yeah. Also with me, tucking into a croque monsieur topped with chameleon bacon. It's sort of a weird looking guy. It's Andrew. Hi, Andrew. Hey, isn't it crazy that there's like so many planets out there But I've got two legs and two arms and a forehead and two eyes and a nose

But like these kind of bulbous bits of flesh on my forehead Does that make me look weird and different to you? The first time we the United Federation of Planets saw you we went Oh my god, how could I understand this? This is so My experience. Yes. Yes, like some of these sort of spotted flecks on his skin, just kind of around his temples. But like, you'll say stuff occasionally where you're like, oh yes, but my species has three hearts or, oh, my stomach is in my shoulders. We're like, wow, this guy is an alien.

That's crazy. He's so weird. It's crazy all the weirdest stuff is on the inside where I can't see it. Yeah. That's true about people often as well. His irises are a different color to the ones that humans usually have. He's got cat eyes. Hey, these physiological differences in space, they're very regional. Other things are regional.

And we look at those in regional bullshit. This comes to us from KP and X in Arizona. Show me your PNX. Get your PNX out. 70 years after the show began, fans of the Wallace and Ladmo show can relive the memories. Finally. Yeah. Finally. Yeah. Finally. Things just haven't been the same since Wallace and Ladmo went away.

Yeah. Rips or goodbye. Phoenix residents under 40 just don't know what they missed. No. Now I'm over 40, but I'm not a resident of Phoenix. So I got no fucking idea what's happening. Yeah. The Wallace and Lammo show was on the air for 35 years.

This year is the 70th anniversary of the sketch comedy and musical show. And the Sunny Slope Historical Society set up an exhibit honoring its place in Phoenix history. Quote, the impact is crazy. It's like a cultural phenomenon. Julia Taggart said she's too young to remember the show, but she organized the anniversary exhibit. Why'd you get a non-fan?

Yeah. Well, like it's a cultural phenomenon or so other people have told me. Yeah, I didn't really care for it. I didn't get to watch it. It sounds kind of dull, but here it is. I quote, people will spend like four hours here talking about the show, you know, and we're not usually open for four hours. You get a couple of Wallace and Ladmo heads going,

riffing about their favorite Wallace and Ladmo bits and the stuff Wallace and Ladmo would satirize if they were around today. And they will just talk and talk and talk. You can only imagine what Wallace and Ladmo would have to say about Donald Trump. Yeah. And Biden, because you know, they were sort of equal opportunity sketch show. Sketch paradis.

Every picture of this that I'm looking at is making me like kind of irrationally mad. Yeah. It looks like it now number one, it has like an incredibly British feel to all the photos of it that I can see. Yeah. It looks for all the world like a god-awful bit of like BBC programming from 1959 yeah, I don't know why it looks so much like that To understand the craze you have to go back to the 1950s when more shows that aired on TV were made locally Bill Thompson was Wallace Ladimir queer TV were made locally. Bill Thompson was Wallace, Vladimir Kwiatkowski was Ladmo, and Pat McMahon was almost everyone else. But he was best known as a spoiled little rich boy, Gerald.

Okay. I bet that was funny. Pat McMahon, a grown man playing a little spoiled little rich boy named Gerald. Well, I think I am looking at the character of Gerald right now. And Gerald is dressed almost exactly like, you know, in the Simpsons when Bart's got the little lollipop and the straw boater, or like when Mr. Burns, when Mr. Burns is shown as a young man.

Yeah. And he's got his like pantalones and his like curly hair. Are you, are you struggling to picture this Ben? No, I'm enjoying pantalones as a word. Yeah. And he's got his, he's got his like frilly, his frilly, uh, cuffs and all that jazz, except this guy also has, he's got a blonde, uh, short bob wig.

So imagine Edna from the Incredibles, same glasses as Edna from the Incredibles as well, for some reason. I'm starting to think that Edna from the Incredibles was based on this guy from the Wallace and Ladmo show. This guy from the Wallace and Ladmo show he he looks like Sia as portrayed by the guy from Little Shopper Horrors Rick Moranis Rick Moranis. He looks like blonde olive oil

Yeah, it looks like it looks like Sia from like a Being portrayed on a 2018 episode of Saturday Night Live. Yes One of the most popular parts of the show was the lab mo bag. Oh Just a lot going on in the taking takes me back hearing about the lab mo bag. Oh my god It was filled with candy and prizes only a few kids in the audience got one. So there's kids in the audience. Is it a children's show?

I guess. Wait, what? Hang on. I mean, it was a live. It's a live show. It was a live show. There was a kids show. Yeah.

Is it Arizona's Hey Hey It's Saturday? Is that? I don't think it's a variety show in that sense. I don't. This is very confusing. That's what every kid in Arizona wanted. I still want one, Taggart said. So this is Julia Taggart, who I don't know if you remember from three paragraphs earlier,

the story says is too young to remember the show. But it's all I could think about. So you've only known about it as an adult and you want the bag full of candy? Yeah, I got news for you. They sell them. You could go get candy. Go to the shops. Go to Dollar General. Go to Dollar Tree. Get a brown paper bag. You can do this at home.

Get a brown paper bag and literally ride on it with a Sharpie Ladmo bag. And now you have perfectly reproduced the prop from the show. You know what? Right on it, Julia bag, because that's yours. That's your bag full of candy. Uh, besides being a kid show, Wallace and Ladmo became a major player in television, uh, photos on the wall show Liberace Barry Goldwater at rockstar Alice Cooper. Yeah Yeah I see this. Alice Cooper who won a Ladmo bag. Probably a lifetime highlight for Alice Cooper was winning a Ladmo bag. This show has 9.1

out of 10 on IMDB. Wait what's with, um, the really fucked up looking puppet of Gerald? Yeah, there's Gerald. He's got the big glasses and the wig, and then there's also a puppet of Gerald that also has the glasses and the wig and two tiny little eyes. Evil eyes, like pitholes in the snow. It looks like a sort of muppet from the Dark Dimension, you know? It looks like an evil muppet has come through a portal. From the Mirror Universe.

From the Muppet, terror, and dominion. But John Henson, you know? Don't know why. I was reading a whole bunch the other day about how Jim Henson was on the first season of SNL. I think it was because that movie has come out called Saturday Night that's like a little sort of hagiographic take of the origins of Saturday Night Live. And yeah, and so Jim Henson was on the first season of Saturday Night Live and had like a recurring

weekly sketch with the same characters in it. But he could only do the puppetry and perform the thing. He wasn't allowed to be involved with writing the sketches. And they were like, oh, we want to have the puppets sucking and fucking each other. And he was like, I'm Jim Henson. That's not my bag. That's not in the spirits of the puppets puppets don't do that

Well, it doesn't make evil puppets. Yeah, he would fucking shit if he saw some of the movies We've making these days society's fucking sick. We'll make puppets do anything or anything at all It's not even funny the exhibit has memorabilia from everywhere because when the show went off air in 1989 people saved the pieces. Quote, collectors will say I have that piece, I have that piece, I have that piece. Collectors are always saying that. I want that piece. Hey what pieces you got? I want this one, that one. I don't have those ones though. I want that one. I'll kill you. Give me that. Give me that from the show.

Give me that from Wallace and Ladmo. Give me that now. That's a really fun way to imagine all conversations between passionate collectors taking place is that they both get in a room and one of them says, okay, I've got this one. Yeah. I've got this one. I've got this one.

First, I'm gonna list off every piece of memorabilia that I do have of, you know, 1970s Star Wars merchandise After about two hours of that, I will start listing all the ones I don't have and then it's your turn Yeah It's kind of like our kids interact. Yes. I have this of Hot Wheels. I have this of Hot Wheels I have this of Matchbox car.. I have this of Hot Wheels. I have this of Hot Wheels. I have this of Matchbox car. I would like this of Hot Wheels. You'd all like that of Hot Wheels.

I would like to have this of Matchbox car. Also in the exhibit is the evolution of the Ladmo bags. So they start off as like a really little bag that can't do much. Yeah. Evolve into sort of a slightly larger, cooler looking one. And then by the third evolution. I'm talking about exoskeleton. They become crap. Yeah. And they get kind of weapons or something. Uh, from the evolution of handmade bags to the printed bags later on, that

seems like a step down to me. Isn't a handmade bag better than a printed sort of just mass-produced one. Well, they I mean They only just got the printer or something true and all that And then there's the guest book where people sign their names and remember a part of their childhood that was one of a kind Quote, you know, it meant so much to people even after it stopped airing. It's still a huge part of their life. Taggart said What the fuck are you talking? What do you mean in what way the fuck are you talking about in what way is? Wallace and lad bow part of their day-to-day life like

40 years after it aired. She doesn't really know Well, yes, because she was she wasn't alive for that. People should tell me it's a big deal, whatever it is they're talking about. Yeah. The exhibit opens on Saturday, September 14th at 11 a.m. at 737 East Hatcher Road in Phoenix. Good normal address there. Yeah.

Well done. How long is it running for, does it say? Will we have time to get out there? Time to catch it? Fuck, I could have probably. No, I got how long is it running for? Does it say will we have time to get out there? Oh time to catch it Fuck. I could have probably no I got back just after it Just after it or just before it opened Yeah, shame. You should have come to this knowledge before you Left America. Yeah, if only You could probably a lot of what we were talking about there was sort of photos that we were looking at, but you can probably listen to our words and picture it in your mind.

Unless you can't, it's time for a Fantasia watch. Now I've been doing a bit of reading cause I think I'm a little worried that sometimes, you know, we're just trying to make people laugh. That's all the show is about. And sometimes we'll sort of make fun of things that we think are a little silly. But I like to think we do it with affection, that it's coming from a good place. But I worry sometimes we're a little mean about some things. And I know that Theo, we make, we make fun of you a lot for your inability to picture things inside your mind's eye, your aphantasia. Um, and so I was doing a little bit of reading just to try and see like what the, what people that have a fantasia are actually going through

sort of on a day to day basis and to see what resources there are out there. Um, and so of course I ended up looking at the a fantasia network, which is sort of like an advocacy group for people that have a fantasia. Did you guys know, if you had to guess how old would you say that word is a fantasia a fantasia, aphantasia. Like how, who coined it and when, or don't guess who, but like. 36 years. Hmm.

I'm going to say, I'm going to go price is right mode and say, I think, I think less than 20 years old. How about that? Nine, nine years old. It was coined by someone in 2015. Isn't that fucking crazy? Like we've, we knew about the phenomenon, but we didn't have a word for it until 2015. Yeah.

Couldn't picture it. We had a lot. It was like, we were going to get to it eventually. Yeah. As far as things that were affecting people are important. Yeah. We come up with all the other words for the more important stuff first, and then we'll

get around to this one. But you know, now that there is- It's no diabetes. There is a word for it. We could get by saying, oh, you've got no imagine stuff mode. You've got no apple brain. No apple brain? No apple brain.

Oh, you're apple-less in there, huh? There are some great resources, resources on the Aphantasia, RISVS on their website. One of my favorite things here. You know what? I wouldn't normally do this, but I feel like we don't have Lucy here and that actually makes us have the perfect amount of people. Oh, can I show you guys? And that actually makes us have the perfect amount of people. Oh, can I show you guys?

Just have a look in the chat there. I want you to see perhaps my favorite diagram that I have ever seen. Theo, if you could describe that for us. Okay. So it's a black image. The heading at the top is imagine a horse. And there is me too. So there is a space where a horse would be. A horse shaped void.

Horse shaped void with labels for where the parts would be, pointing to where the parts would be that kind of forms, join the dots sort of horse. So you've got a head and an arrow to where the head would be, nostrils and arrows to where the nostrils would be. Very much evoking a join the dots for me too. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Uh, at the bottom, for people with a fantasia, it's the idea of a horse that matters, not the visual. That is so true. It's so true. They focus on what really matters. The idea of a horse. Yeah.

Like if you, if you were to ask me to picture a horse, um, I would be thinking the word horse. Yes. Horse. Picture a horse. Horse. What kind of font? Oh, he can't picture the font. Don't be rude. Oh, fuck. So what the words, the words just floating there ghostly? It's the idea of the word. No, it's the... The word's not floating there. I can't see that either. Well, yeah, you said that like it's ridiculous.

Well, yeah, you said you'd imagine the word. That's what we're imagining. You've asked me to now picture a word instead of the horse, and I'm picturing the word. Picturing the word horse. I'm picturing a Roman on a black background. A serif font, yep. Yeah, serif. Oh, definitely serif font, yep. Yep.

Serif. Oh, definitely serif. It's maybe, it's just kind of waving a little bit like a flag in a really gentle breeze. Yes. You guys can close your eyes and see the word horse. Am I? Don't even have to close my eyes. No, I'm picturing it right now.

Like, here's one of the things that I'm quite unsure if... I think the limits of language make this a very hard thing to discuss. I know, I'm just wondering whether everyone is taking the piss and no one can actually see anything when they close their eyes. Theo, right at this second, I can hold and rotate three different apples independently. They are different kinds of apples. There's a Granny Smith in the middle. There's a Red Delicious on the left. It's burnished. There's some little flecks of green in the skin. On the right is a new kind of apple that I bought from the market the other day called Sassy. Oh, like a bit narrower at the bottom.

Kind of an interesting shape. And all of them are spinning at the same speed. Only the Red delicious has a little leaf coming off the bit of stem still coming out the top it's so easy it's right there still working on picturing horse they all look like they've been rendered in unreal engine 5 now I mean I was closing my eyes and you know when you kind of when you've looked at a light for a little time and you close your eyes and you can see the the inverse it, or, you know, it's sort of, that burnt into your retinas a little bit, right?

The after images of like the light parts of what you were seeing before. That's about the best I can hope for. Yeah, but that's different. That's not the same as seeing with your mind's eye. Not the same as seeing with your mind's eye. No, no, I know. But like, if I close my eyes, I can kind of almost get like the indent of like a, the smallest amount of circle to represent an apple. Like someone has drawn an apple on a piece of paper and then removed the piece of paper that you've taken an impression of what was there.

Yes. Yeah. Still don't know if people could see things when they close their eyes. Oh no, we definitely can. Wink! What I wanted to do is there's a little script here for having one of the most important conversations that an aphant-as they call themselves. I found that out This week. That's fun on

Slash a fantasia. They call me gonna get some slurs going Yeah, I should Fanto That's people who can picture stuff. I think of fanto's because we're fanta shick If you guys could scroll to the top of the document, I've pasted a little script here. Now, Theo, if you could read out the parts of Alex. Yes. Andrew, if you could be Jordan and I'll be Taylor.

Beautiful. We'll do a little short play here on the podcast. Hold on a second. I'm just gonna picture in my mind's eye what Jordan looks like. I've got a picture of my character, and your just, hold on a second. I'm just going to picture in my mind's eye what Jordan looks like. I'm going to picture my character and your character and Theo's character. I'm going to actually picture the scene

and an entire set. What race is your guy? I am Taiwanese. You wouldn't know. And you won't be able to tell. You wouldn't know. What? I can still see you? Ben's not currently Taiwanese.

You'd have to imagine him as such. But I could be in the future. Yeah. Hey everyone. There's something I've been wanting to share with you. I recently discovered that I have aphantasia. Aphant what? Aphantasia. It means- what? Aphantasia.

It means I can't visualize images in my mind. You know when people say picture this or imagine a beach, I literally can't see anything. It's just blank. Hey, what age does the beach make you? You can't picture that either. Wait, so when you read a book, you don't see the scenes playing out in your mind? Exactly. I understand the story, the emotions and the concepts, but I don't see it. I think more in words, feelings and ideas rather than pictures. That sounds so strange. Everyone can picture things in their mind, right? Maybe you're just not trying hard enough.

Yeah. I used to think the same, that maybe I wasn't concentrating enough, but after reading more about it and taking some tests... We could do the tests on the show as well if you like. Oh yes! I realize it's just how my brain works. What's the test? There's a couple.

Okay. I can think of one. Yeah. It's not about trying. It's just different. So if I ask you to think of the color blue or the face of a loved one, you see nothing? Nothing. you to think of the color blue or the face of a loved one, you see nothing? Uh, nothing.

I know what blue is and I recognize this and I recognize faces when I see them in real life. Okay. I wonder whether my aphantasia, if that's actually a thing that is, that separates me from other people and not just something that is, that I'm being pricked on, uh, globally. You think I invented this? You think I wrote this script? I mean it'd just be a fun thing to do right for everyone else to agree that they can picture

something in their mind. There's one guy who can't. I have a lot of trouble with faces. Not like you know I know my friends faces and you know I you know, I, I can mostly recognize people, but if there's people that, that I haven't seen for awhile, uh, and I run into them, I have a lot of trouble knowing whether it's somebody that I should say hello to or, or not. It's happened like yesterday, like one of my, my friend's wife, like I walked past someone who looked just like her, I think, but I'm like, I'm not going to stop to say hello because what if that's not her?

Did you do the pro move of pretending like you got like your phone buzzed just before you're about to walk past so you had full plausible deniability for looking at her face? Well, unfortunately, my phone is so practical that it would just draw more attention to myself. Oh, true. Is that guy holding a tiny bug? So let's say, let's say, uh, let's say your beautiful wife is kidnapped by the Albanian terrorists from the movie Taken. Yes. Uh, and the police say, describe your wife's face. Yeah. How's that working out for you in the police station?

I'm picturing your wife's face right now. I'm... Yeah. I probably need someone to help me. Okay. Round? Circle, smiley face, dot dot. I mean, you know what colour her hair is.

Yeah. You could describe her haircut from memory, surely? Yeah, I could. I could. I mean you know what color her hair is? Yeah. You could describe her haircut from memory surely? Yeah I could, I could. Describe some discrete components and see if some enterprising soul down at the police station can put them together. Yeah probably. Anyway.

Like a Mr. Potato Head thing you could. Yeah. Like I can pick her out of a lineup. Are we back to the script? We're all on this journey together. Yeah, you're at Alex. I can't conjure up an image in my mind. But how do you dream? I don't often dream, but when when I do my dreams are more about

feelings and ideas. They're not as visually or sensory rich as most people describe their dreams but I understand that some people that fanchasia have vivid can have vivid dreams we're not all the same. Sounds fake. This is so fascinating I never realized that people experience the world in such different ways. I'm still finding it hard to believe. It sounds like you're making it up. It sounds like you're making it up. It's not me. It sounds like you specifically are making it up. I understand it might sound strange but it's a real thing. There are many people out there with aphantasia.

It's just not that commonly talked about here because it doesn't matter. It's like bisexuality. Who cares? The hundreds of replies that I have received on the rotating cow tweet, picture a cow in your mind. Um, we're like, I can't, I have a fantasia. It's like, who cares? Yeah. I don't care.

Why are you telling me this? What's it? What am I supposed to do with this information? When you tweeted that you were lying, you were lying. That tweet was founded a lie. You can't rotate a cow in your mind. You just tweeted that based on your sort of general idea that other people could do it. Yeah.

Perhaps he was living out a fantasy of being able to do it. That's incredible. He's just trying to fit in. Yeah. Look, if you're an author, if you're a writer, you can write a Bosnian character without being Bosnian. Yes. That's so true.

There's so much information out there about people being able to picture things in their minds that I could just... That's what you've got to say. So much information about Bosnians. About being Bosnian. Bosnia is very well documented. I hope you can trust my experience even if it's different from yours. I believe you Alex. Everyone's mind is unique after all. Taylor is a very understanding friend. Jordan on the other hand. Yeah, Jordan sucks deluxe. I'm sorry, it's

just hard to wrap my head around it, but I trust you and I'll read up more on it Thanks, Jordan. It means a lot. I just want to share this part of me with you It is so dope to have a script for coming out Coming out as a fan to your family Yeah, there's a there's a different party you I want you to share with me and I'm picturing in my mind right now. Yeah. You're rotating my genitals. Anyway, the reason that I'm talking about this is because they have merch. So I think I just wanted to describe to you a couple of shirts we might be able to get you.

Yeah. So there's one. I really like the first one. Yeah. I ironically like the first one. So let me describe it for the listener. There's a cloud or sort of a thought bubble actually, sorry, because he's got the trailing dots leading up to the cloud.

Unless it's a cloud and he's like farting, he's crop rusting. True, farting cloud or thought bubble, wearing high socks and a sort of sporty shoe and then above it in a very 70s sort of round serif kind of font it says image free thinking. Um, for anybody who has kids, uh, perhaps a touch point for you is that he is very evocative of the cloud from the trolls movie. Okay. I'm getting very, uh, cuphead vibe from this, which of course is, you know. Yeah. Meant to be evocative of a sort of old world.

Yeah. Uh, second shirt we've got here is just a black shirt with a white font that looks a little bit like maybe agency FB, hard to tell, um, in all caps, it just says, think of a horse. That's a pretty good shirt. Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, that's, I'd wear. It doesn't communicate anything to me about the aphantasia of the

Wearer of the shirt though, because I see that I'm just like cool. Look nice horsey. It's a palomino Yeah, I mean, you know brown and white spotters. You get to choose? That's what it is today. Sometimes it might be one of those like, you know, the Arabians with the insanely glossy coats Oh beautiful. The brain fills in the details. That's one of the tests actually Yeah, oh we can do this right now. Can we do the tests, please? Yeah, let's do one of the tests All right, so I need to know Picture pictures someone rolling a ball off a table Can you do that there? Yeah now, where does the ball end up when it's ball off a table. Can you do that, Thea? Yep. Now where does the

ball end up when it's rolled off the table? It's sort of, I've got, uh, I, unfortunately the ball is kind of rolled like 45 degrees off the table and it's landed over here somewhere. Okay, great. Now, uh, what did the person look like who rolled the ball? The fuck are you talking about? It's a little, it's a, uh, the table is, yeah, like barely a concept at this in my mind. It's like the untextured 3d shapes of like porous to that. Like waiting for the rest of the textures to pop in. Okay. So you have a fantasia because the question there is meant to get you to be like, Oh, it was a guy dressed as like a billions player and it was a green

felt table and it was a red ball. Yeah. I thought I didn't have it because I thought you were passing. I, because I could kind of visualize like a Negative image of where the ball sort of went. Yeah. Yeah, so you can do spatial reasoning But your brain's not creating the vivid imagery that the rest of us get So me yeah There's a mug that they sell that just says I'm a fantastic this morning. Yeah cell that just says, I'm a fantastic this morning. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I don't want that because I don't want to be striking up conversation. But people ask you about it. Don't ask me to describe a mental image before I've had my coffee. Yeah. Why didn't we should send them as ideas? Or after. Uh, there's a final one here. So it's a brain.

He's wearing the same socks and shoe combo as the thought bubble was. He's holding, I'm going to say maybe a thick shake. Yeah. And it says, no mind's eye, but I can still, but I can still, hang on, no mind's eye, but can still see through your bullshit. And the, the, the you on the bull has like an asterisk instead of you. But not brave enough to write bullshit on a shirt. But they've still got shit.

Yeah. Oh. That's a strange choice. That's kind of the wrong part of the word. Also the brain has sunglasses. Yeah. Indicating that he's white. Is this one from the same, is this one from the same people as the first one?

Because the knobbly knees and the shoes are very, very similar. Oh yeah, absolutely. They're all from the A-Fantasy Network. Also, it looks like there's a star next to the no on the no-mind's eye. As if they're saying like- It's going to be a disclaimer? Yeah, like, well, it might just be a diminished mind's eye, not none. Well, we all learned a lot about ourselves and about Theo.

There is, but it's, it's much longer. And, okay, we can take this offline. We've learned about nerd stuff. How about we learn about some jock stuff in sports watch. Now this comes to us from MLB.com, majorleaguebaseball.com. Which of these MILB identities deserves an award? It's up to you. Huh?

MILB? I've just, I've chosen to say MILb. I don't think people say Milb This is capital M lowercase I capital L capital B, which I believe is minor league Yeah The 2024 Milb Awards Will be broadcast on MLB Network on September 30th at 9 p.m Eastern Time and you have saying which team will go home winners of the best alternate

identity category voting is open here until September 23rd at 5 p.m. Eastern Time and of course you can purchase gear featuring your favorites let's look at the nominees. What are we doing here? We're looking at alternates alternate identities yeah first up we have the Wichita chili buns which is normally Well, they're looking at alternates alternate identity alternate identities. Yeah First up we have the Wichita chili buns Which is normally they're normally the Wichita wind surge double a affiliate of the twins Hardy Midwestern fair doesn't get heartier than the chili bun a big bowl of chili topped with a frosted cinnamon roll. The wind surge paid tribute to this sweet and savory concoction over two games in April

wearing red jerseys with a vintage diner aesthetic and a hat featuring the filling food stuff in question. So hold on. I'm still trying to understand what the fuck we are talking about. Theo's busily trying to picture food. I'm getting like, It's just picturing a horse.

I'm up to the chili bun. I'm like. Best alternate identity category, the Wichita Chili Buns, which is the Wichita Wind Surge, which is a double A affiliate of the twins. Right, so they're like, they're the minor league affiliate team of, I think that's the Minnesota Twins. Minnesota Twins. Right, so they're like, they're the minor league affiliate team of, I think

that's the Minnesota Twins in the double A division of minor league. Which is in Kansas though. That is true, yeah. Confusing, huh? And then, so the Wind Surge, terrible name. Yeah, not good. Is the Wichita chili buns there? Like, so do they have a game every now and then where they come out and they go, oh, we're a different team. We've got the costume of a different team on.

That's exactly correct. They say it's their alternate identity that they come out in sometimes. Okay. I identify as a Wichita chili bun. They're all saying. Yeah. And that's beautiful.

And then everyone's laughing because, you know, it's Wichitas, they're probably all conservative and that's probably the best joke laughing because you know switch tasks. They're probably all conservative That's probably the best joke they've ever heard. Yes Love that shit Laughing and then they're like haha I'm laughing, but I'm also very angry Kill him so Big bowl of chili and a frosted cinnamon roll on it. I'm gonna say

Big bowl of chili and a frosted cinnamon roll on it. I'm gonna say Thumbs down. I reckon it might slap. Do you think do you think they're kind of going for like a Skyline chili kind of thing because skyline chilies got cinnamon in it Everyone wants to capture the magic of skyline chili, but no one else can Constructed skyline chili on me which are touch early buns I think technically that we're talking about a Cincinnati chiliructed Skyline chili on me with Chita chili buns. I think technically that we're talking about a Cincinnati chili, not a Skyline chili. Skyline just also makes a Cincinnati chili. We don't give props to brands here.

Next nominee is the Chattanooga Wreckers, who are usually the Chattanooga Lookouts, the AA Reds affiliate team. Did you know an enterprising Chattanoogan named Ernest Holmes Sr. invented the Wrecker, a predecessor to the tow truck, by attaching a chain, pulley and poles to his 1913 Cadillac? That's awesome. Yeah. And I would love to see an image of that. Mark, can we bring that up on screen?

A photo of that, Mark. There we go. Lookouts saluted Holmes' ingenuity and the city's subsequent role in the towing industry by playing six games this season as the Wreckers. No special food? No, just like a cool car that a guy made. What the fuck? I want to know who was the first one to attach one of those bad boys to an ATM. Yeah, true. We should celebrate that. Yeah. I guess you had

to wait for the ATM to be invented first. Yeah. To steal an ATM, you must first invent the ATM. Oh hell yeah, okay. Mr. ATM imagining. Oh damn. Those fuckers would have so much money and dragged them away with a hook and pulley. I hope they never invent a very big car. Oh, there it is. There's the, there's the earnest W homes senior tow truck. Oh my goodness. Oh, that's pretty cool.

That's a classy, that's a classy vehicle. Yeah. It's quite a, quite a rig he's got on the back there. Yeah. And you can just picture this in your mind's eye. Uh, we have the Winston Salem Hype Hens. The Hype Hens. The, the Winston. Winston Salem Hype Hens. Hype Hens. Now they are usually called the Winston Salem Dash.

Uh, and they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens.

And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hype Hens. And they're usually called the Hy. Hens. Now they are usually called the Winston-Salem Dash. Uh and they are the high A affiliate of the White Sox. Uh last season the Dash. High A is different to double A? I think. Yeah. I guess. Not as good as double A. I think. Probably. Right.

Uh last season the Dash played as the hyphens, finally acknowledging that the punctuation mark between Winston and Salem is not a Dash, but a hyphen. So they called the Winston-Salem Dash as a misnomer because of the Dash, well, sorry, because of the hyphen in Winston-Salem. And to correct that, the alternate identity they played as last year was the hyphens I suppose you've got to think of a think of something to do while you're playing Watching baseball while you're in the outfield. Well, yeah in right field you got fucking nothing to do This year brought the hype hens, but it's not just a play on words

This lively it sounds a lot just a play on words. This lively look was inspired by the foul ball chicken dance party that the Dash hosted in 2023. A foul ball. That's actually quite good as a pun. Oh, because it's like a foul ball, but it's the foul ball where it's a chicken themed dance party. You got to give them props for that. I don't know. This is too deep for me. There's too many layers. We are like four layers deep at this point. Yeah. What about, what about a funny animal? Yeah. What if your team was an animal from outside that everyone could get behind?

Think of what animal? Think of an animal right now. Barracuda. Perfect. The Winston sailor Barracudas? The Winston sailor Barracudas. And you know what song plays when they get a home run? That's right.

Barracuda. Yeah. Uh, the chicken Dance Party was followed this year by the installation of a chicken coop on the outfield concourse. Okay. Sweet. Okay, so you guys can picture stuff in your head. Can you? What's your audio imagination like? Perfect. I can hear every bit of a song when I hear it. Okay. I can hear the crack of the bat. I can hear every bit of a song when I hear it. Every bit? Okay, cool. I can hear the crack of the bat. I can hear the crowd getting excited as the ball like soars over towards the chicken coop.

But everybody's kind of hoping that the ball doesn't hit the chicken coop. I was just thinking that maybe one sense diminishes and another one increases and that I would have maybe that over you guys. But apparently not. That's not the case. No, I can hear the, the excited crowd. I can hear the organ playing. There are people with a fantasia that also don't have, they can't, uh, like imagine audio in their mind. I hear audio in their mind. That's actually a really good allegory for, maybe not allegory. What am I looking for?

But like, cause people with a fantasia struggle to understand what other people mean when uh, fans like us say that they can see stuff. They're like, what? That it's like in front of your vision and like, I don't struggle to see it. I understand that. I understand the concept of people that aren't new. Like whatever you see this discussed on the internet, people get very confused about it. Fanta's people can be dumb too.

We've got to give them that agency. Maybe you see this discussed on the internet, people get very confused about it. Effantasic people can be dumb too. We've got to give them that agency. Stupids. Afants. You are beautiful. But I think being like, if you could think about a song and you might have sort of hear it, that's a good comparison, I think. We have the Jersey Diners.

Usually the Somerset Patriots, AA Yankees team. Uh, New Jersey is home to more diners than any other state. And the Somerset Patriots are located in the center of it all. What color is their Jersey? Is it white? They getting food on those things? You get tomato sauce. You get tomato sauce on those jerseys?

Yeah. You get a rich tomato gravy all over your baseball whites. Oh, scum a rich tomato gravy all over your baseball whites Scum a douche You reckon that's more per capita or more in total because New Jersey is not big It's not big but there are quite a few people live there Quite a few Italians The chrome topped Jersey diners identity features a smiling coffee cup as its primary logo, with secondary marks that pay tribute to pancakes, steak and eggs, and the Garden State sandwich

staple known as the Happy Waitress. Hold on. Are you familiar with the Happy Waitress? This sounds like bullshit to me, Ben. New Jersey is considered by many meaningless. That's fucking meaningless. New Jersey is considered by many to be the diner capital of the world. An unofficial New Jersey Diner Coalition estimates that there are around 450 diners in the state,

more per capita than any other state in the US Where we're stretching here? Yeah, we're stretching to be calling New Jersey the dineriest place Because I could probably be like California right just because it's the most One the most popular New York, maybe who knows or New York, they're going to those bodegas. They are. It's part of their community. Yeah. New Jersey is one of the most educated states in the US. They send in those Italians to university.

That's dangerous. I guess they are. We have the Great Lakes pontooners. They're normally the Great Lakes loons. Now there's naming your team after a good animal. That's a good one. Yeah. But the pontoons?

Yeah. Pontoon is just sort of like a bit of, it's just a bit of walkway over water, right? It's like a small pier. Yeah. Small pier. I consider you a small pier. Because I see us as equals. They are the high affiliate team of the Dodgers. As their name makes clear, the Midland Michigan based Great Lakes loons play in close proximity

to water. Their pontooner's identity celebrates the pleasure boats that are popular throughout the region as few things are more relaxing than lounging on a lake. The primary logo features an anthropomorphic pontoon. Say that three times fast. A pontoon is a boat. What? A pontoon is not a boat.

Pontoon boat. It's a watercraft. A flat bottomed boat supported by one or two more pontoons. Oh well I mean it's a style of boat that is named after what a pontoon is. But they're talking about the boat. Are they? I don't know. Let's see.

A pontoon boat is a flatish boat that relies on floats to remain buoyant. Yeah, because it's like a pontoon. A pontoon is like something that you would lie on in the sunshine if you were a character in the Stephen King story, The Raft. Unfamiliar. So yeah, you got to read that one, Ben. You got to read that one. You guys should check out the logo for the Great Lakes pontooners. It is indeed a pontoon boat. He's very angry and he has a man inside him. Can we see if the man is angry too? The man is waving in a very friendly way. Or he's holding a beer up, maybe?

Well, that'd be a beer. Mark, can we enhance that? I think he's holding a beer. Hell yeah, brother. Oh, he is! That's fantastic. Man, I'm married. Fantastic. The Biloxi King Cakes. They are usually the Biloxi Shuckers, AA affiliate of the Brewers. Biloxi is home to the largest and longest running Mardi Gras celebration in all of Mississippi. The Shuckers King Cakes identity celebrates the spirit of carnival. Oh, and specifically one of the foods associated with it.

King Cakes are customizable desserts made with a cinnamon roll style dough. The Shuckers Virgin clutches a bat and is topped with yellow, green and purple frosting. Batter up. I guess. Yeah. And lastly, we have the Spokane King Carl, who are usually the Spokane Indians, HiA Rockies affiliate. Carl Maxey-

Unless they've changed their name from something racist. That is true. There's always a bonus, isn't it? Carl Maxey, a Gonzaga boxing standout turned prominent trial lawyer and civil rights leader made his mark in Spokane and beyond over the course of a groundbreaking 46 year career. The Indians honored his life and legacy with their King Carl identity. Its Easter egg laden primary logo depicts a crown bedecked boxing glove.

Crown bedecked boxing glove. A boxing glove wearing a crown bedecked boxing glove. Crown bedecked boxing glove. A boxing glove wearing a crown? Yes, yeah. Bedecked to me implies like sort of lots of something. Like if you're bedazzled. Yeah, if you're bedazzled by a crown. You wouldn't catch me showing you my denim jacket with one rhinestone on it and saying,

check out my bedazzled jacket. That's barely bedecked. Yeah that's not bedecked at all. Wow I'd love to watch some of these minor league baseball games when they're in these crazy alternate identities. If I wanted to go over there and see them I'd have to catch a plane. It's time for plainly speaking. It's time for plainly speaking. Ah, this is your cabin speaking. Please return your seats to their upright positions as we are coming in hot on another edition of plainly speaking.

This is from CNN. Cabin pressure issue on Delta flight causes bloody ears and noses for passengers. Oh no. That's bad. You never really, like when you're on a plane, I mean maybe you do, I'm not a particularly nervous flyer, but like you're not really thinking about the environmental hazards that are immediately just beyond the walls of the plane.

Oh, I am constantly. Yeah. Start to pick up some new worries, brother. Temperature. I've got it's best not to think about what's out there. Yeah. I often think I look out on the on the wing and I go, Hey, what if I was hanging on to that bad boy?

What if I was out there hanging on to the wig? That would be probably a terrifying thing. It'd probably be like really like super windy out there and sort of like shaking all about. I'd be just like holding off for sheer terror. Just sort of like not even having the time to process my rapidly evaporating mortality before I slip and fall into the void. Huh. And so you're picturing this and you're picturing that. I am a little. One of our flights back, I think maybe our flight from Sydney to Brisbane, like our literal

last flight for the holiday, we were sitting next to an unbelievably nervous flyer, like a guy in his probably like mid twenties who didn't, he didn't have a book, he didn't have anything on his phone, he wasn't listening to any music. Just like anytime the plane moved even slightly, he was jumping like crazy. Just grabbing like fingernails sinking into the arm rests. I was on a flight once we'd landed and a guy across the aisle immediately pulled out the sick bag and barfed. It's just a response I've never seen in my life.

I've been holding it in. We're just, brrrr, gshh, brrrr. Some Delta Airlines passengers are recovering after a pressurization issue on a flight from Salt Lake City, Utah to Portland, Oregon, which caused bloody noses and other issues, according to airline and passenger statements. Quote, we sincerely apologize to our customers for their experience on flight 1203 on September 15th,

said a statement from a Delta spokesperson. The flight crew followed procedures to return to Salt Lake City, where our teams on the ground supported our customers with their immediate needs, the airline said. Flight 1203 passengers were accommodated on another aircraft. Delta technicians fixed the pressurization issue on the aircraft, the airline said, and the plane was returned to service the following day. We are working to return the blood to our customers' heads as soon as possible.

Yeah. Karen Allen told CNN affiliate KSL that it didn't take very long for passengers to notice something was wrong on the flight. Quote, I looked over at my husband and he had both of his hands over his ears, you know, kind of leaning forward, Allen said. I looked about a row behind me over on the other side of the aisle. And there was a gentleman that clearly had a very bad bloody nose and people were trying to help him. You went on the curse plane.

Fellow passenger, JC Purser said it felt like someone was stabbing her in the ear. Quote, I grabbed my ear and I pulled my hand back and there was blood on it. Purser said, this is bad. Oh, you didn't pay the, uh, you didn't pay the no bleeding ears add-on. Did you want a fully pressurized cabin? Wait, do you think this is over pressurized or under pressurized? What would cause a- Under pressurized, right?

What's happening here? Did they run over like a homeless person on the runway who happened to also be like a witch? Yeah, runway who happened to also be like a Witch yeah, that was probably what it was yeah like thinner. Yeah This is just such a This is a real body horror thing to me something like that where there's nothing you could immediately Like if you get a cut on your arm you can go you know what I'm gonna I'm going to put a bandaid on that or whatever. Blood coming out of your ears? That for me is, what do you do about that? Cause you're going to want to put your finger in your ear straight away. That's going to feel bad.

Probably. Yeah. Yeah. No serious injuries were reported, but medical personnel identified 10 individuals in need of evaluation or treatment following the flight. Federal aviation administration said it will investigate. Imagine you're like one of the people in that flight that didn't have any problems and all of a sudden all the people around you, like there's blood streaming from their ears and nose. You kind of wake up in that part of the flight where the nose tips down and you're like, oh, boy, I just slipped through that one. You take your headphones out. Ah, ah.

This is a blood streaming from the eyes of the passenger next to you. I'd just be like, everyone gets attention except for me as usual. Yeah. That's fucked up. That was probably an episode of the podcast. I'd say so. Buen vis vista. Thank you so much for joining us

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