Boonta Vista - EPISODE 46: Incel Inside®

Episode Date: May 6, 2018

Andrew, Lucy and Ben are catching up with the latest from Logan Mayor Luke Smith and his boat troubles. Lucy explains Incels, and we explain Japanese porno censorship, Australian Free-To-Air television and how we all handle being Extremely Online. Boonta VIsta is filmed in front of a live studio audience. Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Merchandise now available: http://boontavista.com/merchandise _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to the Vista Socialist Club, episode 46. I'm Andrew, I'm your host for the evening, and I am joined, of course, by everybody's favourite online friend, Lucy Valentine. Am I everyone's favorite online friend? It seems a bit much. You know, you're really overselling it. Well, except for people that you insult online and fight with, but I think it's kind of implied that maybe you're frenemies with those guys. Frenomies. All right, well thank you. Thank you, Andrew. Yeah. And of course, sweet boy Ben. Hi Ben. Hello. And we're not joined by Theo today.

I think he's taken a little break, a little break from university and work and all that sort of stuff. I think he's probably sitting in a dark room somewhere, and as he would say, just thinking about being crushed by the gravitational force of Jupiter. I can only assume that right now he is simultaneously playing some sort of game where you drive a truck through space and literally nothing happens and also jacking off. Hmm. Sounds like Theo. A Theo-esque activity. So what's been going on guys? So much. I'm on some good drug. I what's the going on guys? Not much.

I'm on some good drugs. Yeah, legal ones. Are you feeling better than you were on the previous thing? I have a bacterial sinus infection. Hilarious stuff, Lucy. Oh, that was cool. I like that. Very good. I didn't see that coming at all. Oh, that was cool. I like that. Very good.

I didn't see that coming at all. Not to me either, it was nice. Well, you know, I put a lot of work in and the crowd appreciates it, right guys? Yes. Can we get that every time we make a joke, please? If the joke joke is good and if it's not at my expense, if it's not making fun of me, if you're not dragging me for anything, you know? You know, for it, like if you were to say something that is not complimentary of me, Ben, for example, uh-huh.

Have a crack, you know. I don't want to be mean just for the sake of it. I'll go on just just theoretically. I simply can't I I have too much respect for you I like you too much. Oh. You failed to deliver on this one pal. How long have you been sitting on that soundboard for without using it? That's not even a soundboard. It's a whole, it's a contraption. How would you not be doing this? I got it hooked up to a sample pads. It's a whole thing. And you've not been using it at all?

Or have you been using that for the themes? No, no. I have up until this point I've been, up until this point I've been, we're taking you behind the curtain here folks. We've been behind the curtain back. It's a whole bunch of things that play. Previously I was just triggering singular things for, for example, would you like an example? Oh, I love one. Well, it turns out that even after all of Ben's doubting, he's doubting, oh, he's been a real doubting Thomas violence about this.

Oh, that's quite good. Well, that's good. Yes. Thank you. Have these been different laugh samples as well? Yes. Oh, great. They let me know when to laugh.

It's like watching a sitcom where I don't know when the joke is and then they tell me when the joke is. Like that, right? Yeah, I love it. Exactly. So Ben's been a real doubting Thomas violence about this. I can't believe you've said that twice. Oh, I've used to laugh. It gets a laugh though. It gets a laugh though. The audience knows what they're like. The audience knows. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. the audience. they're they're they're they're they're th. they're th. th. they're th. th. th. th. they're they're they're they're th. th. Yeah. they're they're th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It. It. It. Yeah. It's. It's. It's. Yeah. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's th. I. Yeah. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. Yeah. Yeah. I th. I th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's th. like, you know, the audience knows what they're like. And he said we'd never come back to this, but folks, we have, and we have an update for you on, Boat Watch. Yeah. My goodness. Back with some boat news. Now, folks, I don't know if you remember.

But all the way back on episode 41, and if you'll recall, 41 is that magical number from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Laughter is contagious, isn't it? It really is. So all the way back on there, we discussed Logan Mayor Luke Smith. If you recall, there were accusations that Luke Smith had improperly received a luxury speedboat from a property developer. I hate it when I improperly receive a boat. I know, right? You think that you've taken a free

boat through all the appropriate channels. And then next thing you know, the Anti-Corruption Commission comes, knock it on your tour. So we had Ben and Theo read out a transcript of a very funny interview. I found it very funny, didn't you audience? Ah! In which she refused, like what, seven, eight, nine, ten times in a row to answer the question, did you take a boat from a guy? And he was absolutely not admitting to any of it.

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And he kept refusing and it was very funny. So folks, it pains me to inform you that after as many denials, Logan Mayor Luke Smith has been charged by the Triple C last month with official corruption and perjury over allegations that he agreed to receive a luxury speedboat in exchange for helping progress a development application and then later providing false testimony to the Triple C. He has vowed to vigorously defend the charges this week and went back to work at the council. Very cool moves. So a whole bunch of other things have come up,

like for example, he is using the council's insurance scheme to take taxpayer money to pay for his own legal defense, which is cool. He has also been accused of trying to get the whistleblower who bought this to the triple C's attention, Sharon Kelsey fired. So she is a fellow council member. And while he was ordered to not take part in a council vote to sack, Miss Kelsey in February, it's alleged that he interfered in her probation review. Smith told the Queensland Industrial Relations Commission

in a sworn statement in January that, quote, all councillors unanimously agreed, and quote, to appoint an external consultant to oversee the six-month probation review of Logan Council's then-chief executive officer Sharon Kelsey. The appointment by Smith was less than a month after Ms. Kelsey wrote to the crime and corruption commission to report corruption allegations against Smith. Nothing suss about the timing the the the the the the the the thiiiiiiiiiii thimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimim- th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the crime and corruption commission to report corruption allegations against Smith. Nothing suss about the timing there, right guys?

No. It all seems completely above board. Uh, and this is the part that's funny to me. Barrister for Miss Kelsey, Christopher Murdoch yesterday told Commissioner John Thompson that quote he ought to be troubled yesterday told Commissioner John Thompson that quote, he ought to be troubled that there was no debate at the council meeting to sack Miss Kelsey. He said Mr. Thompson should be very skeptical about the reasons given by the counsellers for the sacking, referring to one example involving Miss Kelsey attending a charity relay.

But Barrister Charles Massey and Miss Kelsey's decision to dress up in matching Hansel and Gretel costumes with counsel's unofficial leader of the opposition Darren Power showed quote astoundingly bad judgment. Pruh-poh. He said that it showed Miss Kelsey was not a political, given Hansel and gretel were brother and sister and involved Gretel being forced into servitude by a witch who was later killed. What? This is the argument he made in front of like the tribunal. It showed that she was not a political because she dressed up as Gretel with the like leader of the opposition being Hansel and it was like well you know in the story their brother and sister so doesn't

that? That is absolutely insane. Commissioner Thompson replied, quote, are you asking me to take into account the storyline of Hansel and Gretel in terms of how Miss Kelsey and Darren Powell dressed that day. Oh, Commissioner Thompson reserved his decision ahead of a final hearing. So look, there's a whole bunch of noise to get around to the fact. The Luke Thompson has, sorry, that Luke Smith has still not commented on whether or not he received a free boat. What do you think guys? Do you want to call it? Do you think he took the boat? He has a boat? He's got a boat. He has. He has one a boat.

He has. I'm just going to throw it out of the boat. I don't think he does. Well, I mean, I lose receipts for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for stuff for got a receipt for the boat. I don't think he does. Well, I mean, I lose receipts for stuff all the time, so that's not that big a deal. I guess. So, you know, good luck to mayor or probably soon to be former mayor, Luke Smith. I hope he can fight the haters, you know, the snakes on the council there trying to stitch him up with probably very true accusations about the whole boat thing. So moving on, we've got a whole new segment for you folks, that's right, InCell Watch. I thought that'd be different music, like hornier music.

Like that, but with just a bass. With a wawa guitar. Wacca-I know. Wacca baw, wow, wow. Yeah, but see, look, straight off the bat, you're sort of implying sexiness when I sort of feel like the distantly unsexy stories. So Lucy, would you like to give us the skinny on why the extremely online concept of incels has crossed into the real world? It's crossed into the mainstream and I hate it because everyone's talking about things

that I felt special for knowing about. But, um, so this dude, he drove a fan into a bunch of people and murdered them. And before that he posted on Facebook, because he was a in-sell, which we'll get to, we'll get to. He posted, the in-cell rebellion has already begun. We will overthrow all the Chad's and Stacey's. All hail the Supremeds and Stacies. All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Roger. Yeah so Elliot Roger of course being the dude that went and shot up a school because girls wouldn't have sex with him.

Very very normal stuff. Great guy to admire. Yeah great guy to admire him. Yeah great guy to admire her up there obviously- That's very upsetting because I've been like stroking their little in-cell Reddit for a long time. And it's pretty clear that something violent was going to happen because they are just the worst most misogynous people imaginable. It's very scary. They very much hate women. Yeah, it's not a great scene. It's very scary. They very much hate women. Yeah, it's not a great scene.

It's um... Well, hey, I guess... Hold on, should we, before we dig too far into it, should we explain to the people who are free of brainworms? Oh, right. I'm sure. I hope no one listening to this doesn't know what an incell is. But... In cell, meaning involuntarily cell?. It to this doesn't know what an incel is, but...

I pretend. I mean involuntarily celibate. Are these people that believe that because of the way they look, they are incapable of ever having sex and society has wronged them in this way because having sex is a human right. There's a common view in inell forums that the government should provide sex to these people, which is very normal. It's heaps normal. So a Chad is a hot dude and a Stacey is a hot lady and they're going around. Chad's get multiple Stacies and Stacies will only have sex with Chad's get multiple Stacey's and Stacies will only have sex with Chad's.

Yeah, I'm just going to throw it out there. I was kind of under the impression that just for a little while now, there has been a way to say exchange money for sex as a service. Yeah, you can literally just go and pay for it. Yeah. But these guys don't want to because they think it's their right and it should be given to them. They also think that women are just like animals or just like holes basically so they have a really healthy normal view of the world.

Hmm. So what do you think, Benny, you on team insel? Oh, obviously. I think you can determine from my lifestyle. Yes. I do feel bad for them. Like, there are normal people in these forums that are just like looking for support because they feel like they are hopeless and they will never have sex. And that's like a sad thing, but there's also a lot of horrible, horrible people saying horrible things. Well, it kind of seems like, um, yeah, there's a lot of interesting overlaps in this sort of stuff with other, other things that are affecting, you know,

different societies around the world as far as the, you know, disenchantment or isolation or dissatisfaction in various groups of young men, basically. Like, you know, I think we all understand that the world is being reshaped, as it always is, but that a lot of the sort of previous, you know, traditional societal structures are slowly being changed. And I guess, you know, it's a thing that's been spoken about before in these sorts of groups is a lot of them seem to have this idea of, ah, well, if only it was 50 years ago, I would have just, you know, had a girlfriend assigned to me in school, and we would get married when finished school and she would have to stay with me forever and have my babies and look after me and cook my food.

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And I saw like an in-sell meme thing the other day or a post somewhere. There was somebody saying like, you know, I long for this world that like I was never a part of, or that I'll never get to see kind of thing, that I never experienced. And it's really weird. It seemed like a real sort of close but no cigar moment to me of someone kind of saying like, I long for this image that I have of a traditional

societal structure where I am effectively given a woman. Or I guess, you know, if you want to flip that around and look at it as the way it actually is, where we are in a society where women are forced to be dependent on men. Yeah, so good. Which I think is more... Which I think is more... Well, yeah, it's more the reality that these guys are intentionally or unintentionally talking about. It's like, oh, if only we could go back to a time when like women didn't get jobs with enough money to live by themselves if they wanted to and all that

sort of shit. Oh yeah all the people that are like oh women didn't invent things. It's like yeah they weren't allowed to do that kind of thing you dumb dip shit. Just all that sort of stuff is so fucking silly like so, so yeah, well, look, apart from anything else, they're giving volcels like you a bad name. Mm-hmm. Right? Terrible. For those, for those playing at home,

volcels, unlike inn cells, are voluntarily sellers. And it's, for example, it's someone like Lucy, who has given up sex so that you can concentrate better on gaming. On gaming. Yeah, that's right. Also, it's the firm belief of these in-sells that it's impossible for women to be in-sell, no matter how ugly they are, because women just get handed everything in life. Oh yeah, for sure. And I suppose it's also that theory that guys have that, like, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if a, if, if a, if a, if a, if a, if a, the, the, their, their, their, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.s, thi.s, thi.s, thi.s, their, their, their, their, their, their, theory that guys have that like if a woman wanted to she could

just go out anywhere and say someone take me home and have sex with me and somebody would just be on. Yeah except she'd do that and she'd go into a bar and then they'd be like 20 in-sales in there and be like oh no, we'll shoot them so as if I did it and then they just scuttle out like a crab. Yeah, it's not a great scene. But yeah, like I was saying, I think that there are those interesting parallels to things like, you know, domestic terrorists and, and like people who join ISIS and all that sort of shit, like, where that's really worrying. Well, yeah, it's, there's obviously like all these

different pockets of young heteromasculinity where guys feel isolated and alone and like they're never going to, you know, have anyone to be physically affectionate with or they're never going to connect with anyone or like there's nothing in their society for them. Yeah, which are like valid problems and then they come in and then they start getting fed all this like horrible shit. Yeah, exactly. And whatever, whatever their particular, whatever particular venue they choose to approach for this, rather than, like you said, actually having some support for them, which

they're seeking, instead they are met with a whole bunch of fucking rabid loonies., and th th th, and th, and th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like they's they's support for them, which they're seeking. Instead, they are met with a whole bunch of fucking rabid loonies who just immediately said about radicalizing them. The black pill. Yeah, that's where you realize that the way the world works is that Chad's and Stacey's just getting everything in there off having sex all the time and women just surrounded by dicks all day long. Just dicks flying at them. And guys just give them money. Girls are all surrounded by beta orbiters which my understanding is they're like just like dudes who want to have sex

with the girl and so they give her stuff all the time like white night cucks. It's all very complicated. with the girl and so they give her stuff all the time. Like white night cucks. It's all very complicated. Just like... Well that's... Yeah. It's... I mean there are a lot of things about this but the weirdest thing to me is that like off the top of my head I can think of like 20 people I know who are terrible looking people with no personality and no interests and no charm that are regularly boning down. Yeah, me too, and people tell them this in the forum, they're like just get a better personality or just go to the gym and they're like, ugh, fuck you, Normie. That's exactly how they talk.

Oh you want me to live that lifestyle. It's like, yeah. Just get out of the fucking basement and be part of thing thing thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the tho the thi thi that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thooo-n' that are regularly that are regularly that are regularly that are regularly that are regularly that are regularly that talk. Well, you want me to live that lifestyle? It's like, oh, I just... Get out of the fucking basement and be part of the real world. Like... Stop posting on Reddit. Literally talk to a person one time. You'll be fine. Just speak to a woman, like she's a human being.

Wild. It is really hard though because, you know, like you're saying Lucy, there's, I there's, there's, are people who genuinely have just have a lot of trouble connected with other people, maybe they're painfully shy, maybe they're like suffer from crippling anxiety or whatever it is. I'm sure that there are people who really genuinely have problems making connections and stuff like that. But like there's just as many people where, like you said, once they start getting into this realm of trying to paint the whole thing as, you know, society is irreversibly corrupted against us getting our fair share of the Poontang, then, like, to me, that's people reverse engineering and explanation out of the fact that, like, you know, people don't like your personality and you're not willing to change it. Yeah. Or, yeah, you're less willing to look at the idea that maybe you have some not great ideas about women than you are to believe that the entire

world is literally working against you to stop you from having a relationship with anyone? I wish the world worked the way they think. I wish I was just like handed jobs and money all the time and any time I had a problem like a Chad would fix it for me. That sounds sick. Or a bunch of betas would white- A bunch of my beta-orbitors would white with me. Yeah, it'd be the dream.

Yeah, it's funny, I was thinking about how that stuff is essentially like the, I guess, like I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the majority of what we're talking about is this like in-cell movement and everything is just rampant miso-missogony..... I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is just, the-like, is just, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, the the the the the the-like, is, is, the-like, is, is, the-like, is to say that the majority of what we're talking about is this like in-cell movement and everything is just rampant misogyny. So yeah, it's interesting to look at that sort of stuff as being just the parallel to when you get like alt-right people who look at anybody who ever says anything in defense of anybody else or who says, hmm, the way you're acting towards this person right now is very shitty, take a look at yourself. They immediately say, oh you're virtue signaling. You're doing your SJW virtue signaling, you cuck and all that sort of shit.

Where the parallel to that in Insel World is just, oh you're being a beta, you know, you're trying to, you're trying to win to win to win to win to win to win this this this this this to win this this this this this this this this this this this to win this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this person this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to win to that in Inselwold is just, oh, you're being a baiter, you're trying to win this female's attention by coming in and telling her what she wants to hear and being defended, you're white knighting and being defensive. And she's having 12 Chadcocks at once. Yeah, yeah, whatever. But it's all essentially the same thing that you're saying, which is, ah, so you've come in to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to defend to to to to to to to to to to the the the th, you, you're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. that, you're the that the the. the the. the the. the. the. the. the. the, it's all essentially the same thing that you're saying, which is, ah, so you've come in to defend this person, therefore you must have an ulterior motive. You must be trying to get the thing from this person that they won't give me. Well, because they literally can't see women as anything other than that, which is the most worrying thing.

Like, a lot of them legitimately say that women, you know, don't have emotions and have no brain and all this like horrible misogynist shit, it's wild. Yeah, once people are in that whole ballpark of like, yeah, acting as though women have completely different brains and every part of life is a transaction to them and all that sort of shit. It's like, how do you come back from that? You know? They really see the world that way.

It's very upsetting. You can see how they get, like, radicalized. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know if this is something I've talked about on here before, but one of the thin thin thin thin thin thin thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' th. th. th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th............. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th th th th to, th toeea. toea. th th toea. th thea. thi. thea. thi. thi. this is something I've talked about on here before, but one of the things that I found interesting a while ago was reading this profile, it was like a long read about Dylan Roof, the kid who shot up that church in, I want to say Charleston. Was that from the woman that went around like talking to his family and the people – yeah, that was fantastic. Yeah, she was talking about how she went, she was at like his court hearings and stuff and he opted to represent himself,

the most sane move that anybody ever makes in court. He opted to represent himself, and he, the only stuff that he said at any point, apparently, during the trial was when people were giving their victim impact statements about watching their grandmother get shot to death in front of them by this guy. The only times that he said anything during the trial were to say during those impact statements, do we have to spend so long listening to this? And that he generally just looked like half comatose through these whole things and everything and refused to ever speak or give any explanation or justification.

And the woman who was writing his piece said, I really saw that as part of the power that he was wielding in this situation was to have done something so horrible and to refuse to explain it to anyone who was left behind, like to refuse to give them any kind of reason or justification or resolution or peace through it. So you know she said I'll take it upon myself to go and tell this story. And so like you said Ben, she traveled around and she talked to his father and she talked to the people he went to school with and, you know, kind of retraced a lot of his steps,

all that sort of stuff. But one of the things that was really interesting about it was that the Southern Poverty Law Center that tracks, a lot of this sort of stuff said, that what the sort of common pattern of behavior for this sort of stuff is, is that people are, you know, lonely and isolated and what, like whatever societal liails there are that are already kind of putting people on the, on the outs, you know. And that they'll go and start looking at stuff online, and then maybe at some point they'll say, they'll say, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the sort, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, the, the, the, the, the, that, theat, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, sort of, their, their, their, their, the outs, you know, and that they'll go and start looking at stuff online and then maybe at some point they'll say, all right, I'm going to go to one of these like white nationalist meetings in a basement somewhere, and or I'm going to go to a fucking clan rally or whatever it is.

And it's at that point that there's usually like a charismatic person there who sees the new person and you know takes them under their wing and then starts really like radicalizing that person. And they said what was really interesting with Dillaroof is that they found no evidence that he ever went and talked to anyone. That basically all he did was look at like, you know, white supremacist and white nationalist sites online and sat there drilling fucking eight hour long baked Alaska videos into his head or whatever on YouTube. And so they said, basically, from what we can tell,

he completely self-radicalized just using the internet in the space of about eight months, which is pretty frightening. Like when you consider that in this case of the guy who drove the van into people and everything and that he gave his reasoning as this, that it was it was just another facet of disenchantment of young men who don't know how to deal with. Yeah, it all comes from the same place like, yeah. Dudes that don't know how to deal with their lives and they're all isolated. And then find groups of like-minded people on the internet and rather than giving each other support, rather than helping each other, they all just cook each other's brains.

Mm-hmm. That's kind of like Twitter, am I right? Woo! Hey! It's for the record, folks. That article is on GQU. It's called A Most American Terrorist, the making of Dillon Roof. It's a really good read.

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But if the terrorists are from another country or another religion or of another color, then they're fucking animals that need to be, you know, put down to the first opportunity. What a weird coincidence. Can't really imagine what that would be about. No idea. Hmm. Hard to say. Best not to speculate probably. But it got dragged pretty hard for that one. I do believe. Good. So what do you think, Ben? What's the solution to the in-sell problem? Everyone that spends more than three hours that day on the internet should be shot. And then the problem will just sort of take care of itself. I agree. I'm in that category and I've got to agree. It'll take care of itself. I agree. I'm in that category and I gotta agree.

Yeah, it'll take care of itself in the sense that we'll all be shot and then we won't have to deal with it. Yeah, 100%. Oh, man, it's a troubling one. And particularly in that, like we're saying, in that sort of larger picture of, you're just starting to see this splintering and fragmentation of of the th, of, of, of, of, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, thia, thi, and, and, thi, and, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiioliolou, thiolou, thiolou, thiolou, thi, thi, thi, thi, we're saying, in that sort of larger picture of you're just starting to see this splintering and fragmentation of all these different groups with their different grievances, but what does it come out to at the end? It comes out to, you should make a big statement

about this or solve this problem by killing a bunch of people and doing a post about it on line, saying whose fault it was. Yeah, chicks. It's chicks. These chicks. Maybe if women didn't be shopping so much. Exactly. Mm-hmm. The lot of money they get from Chad's. Yep. And they do be shopping with it. Hmm. I agree, Ben. Just unplug the big router that gives the world its internet. Make everybody get out for a bit. Oh look, I reckon we can leave it on from maybe 8 to 930 in the morning, and then again from 5.30 to 7, and then cut it back off on a day-to-day basis. Uh, sounds reasonable.

Imagine if everybody has to start jacking off with their imaginations again. Oh God, magazines, man. Pornomags. I reckon they're making a comeback. Are they? Pornomags? No, not at all. Not at all. I thought you were like telling me something there. I was excited. You know that like magazines you get over here that aren't quite porno mags, they're like FHM style things,

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Get this, folks. Let's say you're watching yourself a bit of censored Japanese porn, right? And you're kind of squinting a bit so that the pixelated part is more just a blur. It's getting very specific, but go on. Get this guys. Let's say the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the lady, the lady, the lady, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the lady. the the the the lady. the the lady. the the the lady. the the the the lady. the the the lady. the the the lady. the the the the lady. the the the the the 't censor the anus and they don't censor the cum. Really? Yeah, so like there's like a blurry dick and then a bunch of very visible cum shoots out of it onto a person. Wow. I feel like these the laws were set a relatively long time ago. Before porno was truly disgusting. Isn't that why Bukaki became a thing?

Because it was like this weird, like shortcut around the rules about what you could show people doing in porn in Japan? Maybe. Then there's hentai, which is like way more graphic than regular porn. Except still, you can like see the veins and everything. You've got to pixelate those penis. Just that the head of the penis has to be pixelated. Really? Pixelate all those tentacles. Yeah, it's some weird rules.

Man, at one point, we were in this like, this lovely little sleepy seaside town, like south of Tokyo called, uh, I think it's called. And we were like walking around, checking out all the sites, it was really lovely, like really quiet, really, really nice. In one point we walked past a vending machine that just had like a bunch of those ladsmags if you will.

So it was all like actual live human women and bikinis and stuff. But then the very bottom magazine in the vending machine was like crazy hentai. Like this chick had nipples that were I think roughly the size of a coat can. And I'm not talking like the the arreola. I'm talking the the nipple, whichever part of the nipple, whichever part that is. Weirdly empowering. It was just it was just fucking weird. Because it was like, weirdly, the town was very bucolic. It was very nice. Oh, I don't know.

It's just very strange for life. I feel like Japan just generally has that whole vibe of like, you weren't, like, everybody seems very calm and nice, and you've only got to scratch the surface to get to all that freaking dicky sexuality boiling out of. Incess. Incels. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Also, every time we went into like a store that sold like manga, without fail, the first section I walked into was the gay porn munger section.

It was incredible. Oh, whoops? Whoops. What's a Daisy? I can't believe I'm a horny in a nerds tour. Oh, I'm accidentally here. I can't believe I... What's a Daisy? I can't believe I'm a horny and a nerds tour? Oh, goodness. It's very strange. Well done to Japan's queer community for their incredible representation there.

Okay, so I remember when the only queer representation in Japan was a professional wrestling character, hard gay. Oh man, I still love hard gay. I love hard gay. He's problematic. He's problematic. in Japan was a professional wrestling character, Hard Gay. Oh man, I still love Hard Gay. I love Hard Gay. He's problematic, sure. Woofoooo! Yeah, I love that guy. All I remember of him specifically was just like a sketch of him just getting

doing stuff around the town. And, um, giving massages to hardworking businessmen. Yep, and I just remember one where he's just like on a playground with all these school children and he's like standing over the slide thrusting his leather-clad dick as all these little primary school kids slide down underneath his legs. Weird vibe. Check out the old hard guy. Check out hardthe old hard gay. Hard gay. Check out hard gay. Great character. Great character and professional wrestler. Yeah. Looks like a big unit that dude. Yeah.

Yeah. So should we get into some questions? Sure. Yeah. Hmm. Getting in the old mail bag. Getting wrist deep into the mail bag. Yuck. Yeah. Uh, oh, ugh. Sorry, continue. Hey.

Hey. First, first sloppy letter out of the bag. First, sloppy letter out of the bag. Uh, comes to us from dear friend of the show a big bag of keys that's right folks I met him in real life I wanted to give him a big hug a little kiss on the cheek not sure if you would have liked it was he a big bag of keys yep it's jangling oh that's jangling tummy full of keys great beard great, great beard. Hmm. So dear friend a big bag, he's asks,

In the coming war, will the Volcels side with the in-cells or the sex-havours? The loose-havours, for sure, because the Volcelsels... Definitely the sex havors. Yeah, the Volcels have the choice to fuck, which essentially makes them the same as everybody else. Yeah. And it's probably worse. It's probably way worse that I could be doing the sex stuff, but I choose not to. It's a hard work. It's very inconvenient. Yeah, I wouldn't even bother.

You've got to have someone at your house. You've got to talk to them. You've got to meet a about what they think and what they like. You know what, it's probably for the best that you're not having sex to be honest. Yeah, it is for the best. You know Lucy, you can't just pay for sex. Yeah, but I don't want to. That sounds something like something a beta would do. I am an alpha.

It's like I just don't get that whole angle. If you genuinely, like if dudes genuinely really feel that sex and relationships are purely transactional, and they think that there is like something inherently wrong with their own personality or looks or ability to communicate or whatever, and that all women are just a hole to dump a load into a horrible shit, then go to a sex worker. Exactly. Go to a sex worker and be like I'm here to slap down my however many dollars on a table

and have sex now and then I'm done and I don't have to kill anyone. That's it. If you don't need some like emotional connection, just go pay for it. But also people are saying that we shouldn't put them on to sex workers, which is a fair, a fair call. Yeah, yeah. This is just for me, but at some point in my life, I would like to pay for sex. Because... Like, just to experience it? Yeah, I mean, the way I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th thi that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. If th. If th. If th. If you th. If you th. If you th, if you th, if you th, th, th, if you th. If you th. If you th. If you th. If you th. If thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to like to pay for sex. Because... Like, just to experience it? Yeah, I mean, the way I keep thinking of it is literally every time by definition that I have had sex, it has been with an amateur.

If I'm paying someone to have sex with a pro. Yeah, I'm by definition having sex with a professional. The distinction there, like surely, I just feel like it's got to be a different experience, right? Like, yeah, I want to get my balls stepped on by someone who knows what they're doing. For once. Not just my idiot wife. Oh, right. I don't know what she's doing with these things. Just stomping around. No idea. But like, it's got to be something else, right? I assume. Like, I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that thi thi that that that the the the the th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that thi the the the the to to to the to to the to to the the the the the the the thi the thi thi thi Ah. But it's got to be something else, right? I assume, like... It'd hope so.

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really said it. Chigolo? Not over here. No, I think people have only ever said it because it's fun to say. It's a fun word. It's a fun word. And because of juice beglo. Quality film. Ah, hell yeah. No, here's my actual question. Do... And I'm sure the actual answer to this is,

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Oh the quote-unquote happy ending type of. Yeah. Yeah, no, well yes to me that would absolutely be sex work. Using your hands to help somebody have an orgasm and then charging the money for it sounds like sex work to me. To me, well, well, the the the the the their th that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's that's. that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's. I's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a th. I's a th. th. their their their their their their th. I's a the. I's a the. I's a the. that's a that's a the. I's that charging the money for it. Sounds like sex work to me. To me, the happy ending is just having a full length massage. Generally I get like a sort of a five minute cursory, George working out the knots in my back out of pity. But really like an hour long just a full on massage. Ugh. When we were on a honeymoon in Thailand, Thai massage, that's right. We had like a couple's massage thing, but it went for like, I want to say, either one or two hours.

And I am absolutely certain I fell asleep several times because I was so fucking real. I think that's fine, and it's actually kind of expected. Hmm. Me and one of my exes did like a, a two times, um was so fucking relaxed. I think that's fine and it's actually kind of expected. Hmm. I, me and one of my exes did like a two hour massage package thing, except the massage was an hour long and then the other hour was just you could lie down in that sort of antechamber of the massage room and they gave you champagne. Wow. Well, I was like, oh, I was really a massage.

Yeah, I was kind of expecting I'd be being massaged for two hours, but, um, all right. Yeah. Uh, friend of the show, Dave Clark asks, uh, do I count as in cell if I've been married for four years, lol? Where's the laugh trap? Hey, there he is. Hey, boo, butter bing, I hate my wife. That's right. And look, I think the actual answer that is, if you've been trying to have sex that whole time,

it's not working out, then do you technically count as insult? I want to say yes. Yeah, sure. There is a whole subredddit called Dead Bedrooms. Also very funny. Jesus, oh that's very depressing. When I, uh, when I was like 20, working at a Woolworse on the Sunshine Coast, the grocery manager at the time at my Woolies was sort of weirdly, like everyone that worked at that Woolies, which is like I don't know maybe 50 staff or something, knew because this guy had was very open about it that since like two and a half

years ago since the birth of their second child, he had not had sex. Sure. And then at one point he came into work one day just sort of with a smile on his face. And then it turns out that they had had sex night before and like a bunch of us did like a whip around and got him a thing of flowers and a card. Which like, at the time we're like,, this is pretty funny and now I think about it I'm like Wait, that was just nice. I mean it it sounds like you had an actual relationship issue that maybe should have been a conversation between you and your wife who clearly I don't know, it's very grim. I could, we could go to a counselor or I could consult the

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format this drive. And like 40 minutes later he was like, why is that taking so long? And he looked and he was formatting the server that all of the website was on, and like for the whole department. And that was not good. So you know we tried to get it restored by the large company that was being paid many millions of dollars to do all our backups and that did not work out at all because all that shit's a big rip off. And so you know again it was the thing that like people kind of made some jokes about it, and then they kept making jokes about it, and then the jokes sort of kept going.

There were some elaborate jokes about it, all that kind of thing. And one day I came into work and we were the only two there and he was like, oh, just so you know, I'm like, I'm going to put in a complaint about our boss for like bullying me over this stuff. And I was like, oh my God, I just had this very sudden realization of like, oh, I've been giving you shit about this thing for like months, and you've probably been fucking miserable about it. You're a terrible bully. Yeah, and I immediately said, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Like I just had this moment of realization and felt like such a th.............. th. Oh, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I'm th. Oh, I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thiiiiiii. I'm just thii. I'm just thi. I'm just thi, I'm th God, I'm so sorry. Like I just had this

moment of realization and felt like such a dick. It's not like one of those things right where I think you as a person assume that you have a relationship with the people around you generally where you think that they would intuit that if you feel comfortable making jokes about it then it must not be a big deal. Yes that they would intuit that if you feel comfortable making jokes about it, then it must not be a big deal Yes, that they must also be comfortable. Yeah, or if or if they didn't kick up a fuss about it the first time Then that things within limits and that's fine. Yeah He did however go on to clarify. He said look, you know, I'm I don't have beef with you You said like, you know, it's it's our boss boss th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's our boss. It's our boss. It's our boss. It's our boss. It's our boss. It's our boss. It's our boss. It's our boss. It's our boss. th. th. It's our boss. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. It's the the the the the the the the the the th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's, you know, it's our boss who has been the person encouraging everybody to make these jokes.

He said he's been making jokes about this and about me in front of clients and... See, that's a weird and different power dynamic. Yes, yes. And it was like, it's just gone on and on and he's the person who's supposed to be, you know, set an example for you guys and all th. thiiiiiii th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I's thi. I's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the person the the person the person the person the person the person the person the the th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. I thi. I th. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I've thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi on and on, and he's the person who's supposed to be, you know, set an example for you guys and all that sort of stuff. I was still profusely apologetic, not because I thought I was going to get in trouble, but because I just, like I said, had this sudden, very sudden bolt of lightning into my brain going, oh, you prick. You, son of a bitch. You have just been making this guy feel like shit for months. Yeah. And I feel terrible.

So shout out to that guy. Sorry. Still sorry. Over 10 years later, I feel bad. I'm pretty sure he's fine. Whatever he's doing, wherever it is. But yeah, I guess the point being that's, you know, something just starts off like casually mentioning to the teenagers you work with

that you haven't fucked since your wife had your baby. And then next thing you know, it's just all gone too far. You're way too invested in it. You're acting like it's fine and it's almost definitely not. But I don't know. So there was that guy. Insel. Insel until he wasn't. Yeah. For end of the show, Glenn Giron. I've never said this handle loud, loud before. Hmm. Good buddies online. Glen GYR O N. I'm just going to call him Glenie G. All right, Glenn.

All right, Glenn asks, if I give my buddy a wristy while we watch Prison Planet, are we still in cell? Um, no. No. I want to say yes. Do you need to have full sex to be an in-cell? Like, can you be an in-cell if you've had a resting or a cheeky gobbing? Come on, this is absolute basics. Sex doesn't just necessarily mean penetrative.

Oh, you're right. That's actually unloak of me. It's very heteronormitive of me. Reductive view of the sexual act. It is. I'll see, no, I'm looking at this as more like More like... Oh, you think you're to receive a receipt? No, no, I'm thinking of this more in the context of say like straight guys having sex in prison because that's that's the only way that they can feel another human touch or... Why don't these guys just talk each other off a little? You can watch Paul Joseph Watson videos while not th, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi or... Why don't these guys just talk each other off a little? You can watch Paul Joseph Watson videos while not in prison. The prison planet name is completely unrelated. Yeah. That's fair. So, so, hmm, what do you think Lucy? I think you're the tie-breaker here, Lucy. The guy receiving the, the, the wristy.. Or are you both jacking each other off?

Uh, no, he says, if I give my buddy a wristy. I think there's still a lot of room to derive sexual pleasure from giving someone a handjob. Wow. That is revealing. We get it, Ben, you're very pan-sexual. Generous lover. I know. Oh, I'm sorry, just being roasted because I love giving men hand jobs. Unbelievable. Let's see. Okay, we've got a couple other questions here, folks. We've got a bit more time. We've got another couple minutes for you.

Uh, Friend of the show? Not Lenny, asks. I recently had a week without internet, and as someone studying film slash television, I decided to subject myself to a week of free to air to see what the future holds for me. Fuckin bad move, brother. Wow. Does Bunt or watch TV, and if so, is there anything being made here that is actually any good? Kisses. I guess that's like here is in Australia. Yes.

I don't know what's on. I haven't seen Frida Air TV in several years. Folks, let me tell you tell you tell. My god damn wife has been watching Bachelor in Paradise so she can talk about it with a God damn friends online. I get it. She's been watching My Kitchen Rules. It's just a ladies thing, Andrew.

We love The Bachelor. God damn it, man. She cried during that shit yesterday. Mother fucking, it's just, oh, it's so bad. It's fun. It's fun so bad, it's so bad. It's fun. It's fun to watch. She was watching, she was watching like one of the episodes of My Kitchen Rules. And I started timing how long the show was playing for before going to an ad break and then how long the ad breaks were.

I started clocking that shit and it was just like 50-50, 4 minutes slots. Oh it's bad, my mum will complain about this to me at length. It was for real like five to six minutes of the show and then five to six minutes of commercials back to back over and over. I thought I was going fucking insane. Jesus. And every ad on that station is just an ad for another reality show on 7. It's all TV these days. It's all reality because it's the only reason that people would watch free to air. Oh, God damn. It's it's dire. It's fucking dire stuff. I don't know why anybody would watch anything but either on-demand shit, well yeah, just on-demand stuff in general. I don't, I don't know why the fuck anybody younger than me would be watching TV like an absolute fucking rube. I would say that there are some things

on the ABC worth watching. The ABC's right. The Family Law. the fantastic television program, which I believe is doing another season soon. Growing up gracefully was very, very funny. I almost feel like the ABC and SPS don't, like in my mind, they don't count as like, quote, unquote, free to air. Yeah, because they're not commercial or? Yeah, basically, basically, I think because of the fact that they are not commercial and they competently make them available on other platforms and on demand. Oh man, the SPS on demand is fucking amazing. If you're like, it is honestly a viable alternative to Australian Netflix. Like, very good. Substantially better caliber of movies and TV and it's all fucking there. It all works. It fucking works on your fucking PS4.

They took it off the PS4. That's true. Yeah, I'm real mad about it. They just, it's gone now. It doesn't work on PS4. I'm very angry. Well, and let me just say as well, if you're talking about the like on demand and catch-up apps and stuff like that for the commercial free-to-air channels, they are unshockingly as dog-shit as the channels themselves, because, as we all know, rather than actually trying to, you know, stay competitive in a transforming media landscape, all of

Australia's television networks instead. Well they instead opted to just spend all their time and money trying to like keep it a really closed market and have torrent sites shut down and like sue people for downloading Game of Thrones or whatever. And then make 20 seasons of the block. Yep. So, so that all their televisions and their tele network their teleastel their their their their their their their their televisioning their televisioning their televisioning televisions and television television television television television television television television televisions and television television television television television is television is television is tele. teleas. teleas. teleas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.......................................................................................................................... And then make 20 seasons of the block. Yep, so all their apps and their streaming apps and stuff fucking suck, and they just stop in the middle of a scene every several minutes to show you like five ads back to back that you can't skip.

Yeah, they have ads in their streaming. Yep. They blast you with them non-stop. It's wild. Yeah, so watch watch all the stuff on ABC and SPS and everything else fucking sucks. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and personally, I think that is, I want to say it's like under two years before networks like 10 are just gone. Just gone to the bloody dogs they have. That's my opinion. before networks like 10 are just gone. Just gone to the bloody dogs they have. That's my opinion. They are barely getting propped up financially at the moment.

Yeah, they're losing money. It's not going to last. So here's one final question, folks. One final question, which I've wanted to ask you guys for a while. Fred of the show Richard asks. Well, this one's, this one's the one's thi. th. That's, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the their, their their, their, thi, thi, their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their th. T, th. T, th. T, th. T, th. T, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiii thiiiiiiiiiiiii. They's thii. They're their their to ask you guys for a while. Friend of the show Richard asks, well this one's kind of been on the backlog for a bit, but we've not got to it or there's only been two of us on a bonus thing or whatever. Friend of the show Richard asks, all of you are extremely online, but seemingly also lead busy lives. I have a relatively chill life, but don't feel like I ever have time to be posting and I'm forced to log off. How do you manage to

exist in the real world whilst also posting heavily and never logging off. True. Richard. Oh boy, the simple answer is I have no work ethic and I'm a very bad employee. Yeah, my answer to that is similar except it's acceptable for me to be online because that's kind of where we get a lot of our news stories from. So when I'm working I'm fucking on the thing all the time and then when I'm not on shift I try as hard as possible not to look at my phone for anything because the internet fucking bums me out more than anything else. Yeah, I'm just online all the time. I'm just used to it.

Like a multitask, because I'm a woman. Not like you, Neanderthalmen, am I right? You're God that's pretty right. I'm right. That's a thing. Man can't multitask. I've seen it on sitcoms. You're gonna, are you trying you you trying you trying to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho. to to to tho. thi. thi. tho. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that. I'm just just just just just just just just just just just th. I'm just just just just just just th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I. the. I'm theate. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just just. I'm the. I'm multitask. I've seen it on sitcoms. You're gonna, are you trying to turn us into insult murderers, Lucy? Ooh, is that a threat? You should support men and give them whatever they want. You're right. And I guess my answer to that is, I don't know if anybody has noticed me being much less online recently.

Certainly for me at the past and particular jobs that I wasn't really feeling the work ethic for, I would post a lot and sit around at my desk photoshopping memes and all that kind of thing. I can't Photoshop shit at my desk anymore. I've also been less online at my job which I will never ever discuss on this podcast. That's fair. Well I, yeah, I discuss my job in the sense that I have one. But yeah, I think my new job, I both can't really and don't want to be constantly online, so I do the odd tweet, but I'm no one near as feverishly online as I once was, which both A, feels like it's better for me and B, makes me feel less and less like I should be devoting a lot of my time to stuff like Twitter? Yeah. So now these days I find myself actually putting like blocks of time aside to...

To tweet? No, to do stuff for like this show. Yeah. To actually get material together and write out thoughts about it and... Very mature. Well, like, yeah, at the moment these days, that's genuinely the only way I can do it. I just don't read the timeline, because I'm an asshole. Yep. I just check't read the timeline because I'm an asshole. I just check my notifications. Yeah, no, that's fair.

It's a bad place, the timeline. Yeah. I feel like Theo is pretty good at not being crazy online when he's awake. Yeah, that's true. But when you can be, I've always got that window open, not if any of my bosses are listening. And I would just say as well, generally outside of that, you know, if you've got a significant other or a family life or kids or whatever the hell. And you're not at work, like it's, yeah, you've got to find that balance between looking at stuff that you're interested in, but also, that's true, that's that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi-in, thi-a, thi-a, thi-I's thii-a. My thiiii. And, thii. And, thi. And, thi-and, thi-and, th's, yeah, you gotta find that balance between looking at stuff that you're interested in, but also actually being present in your real life. Oh yeah, with, yeah, with people who mean a lot to you and all that sort of shit, like, because, like I said,

I'm really not sitting there looking at online stuff all day at work anymore. So for me, I must also resist the temptation to then just come home and sit there looking at my phone or the computer or whatever all day. I need to actually, I just sit my children down and I sit opposite them and I stare into their face unnervingly. For like, I don't know, I'm two, three hours? Yeah, nice. I say, go to to to to bed. Go to bed. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I the. the. tempt tempts, I tempts, I tempts, tempta, tempta, tempta, tempts, tempts, tempts, tempts, their their their their unnervingly. Oh. For like, I don't know, two, three hours? Yeah, nice. I say, go to bed. Same. I just stare at your kids for hours.

That's what I do with my nights. Woo! Hey. Hey, folks. All right. Anybody got anything you want to plug, Ben? Should I? Am I doing anything at the moment?

I don't know, I just thought that'd be fun to ask. Yeah, I've got a couple of shows coming up. I'll be playing the satellite in LA, May 12th and 13th. It's a new, completely new 45 minutes of comedy. Uh, uh, I was, I was, I was joking. Oh, boo. Oh, boo. I thought I was going to be able to do that really smoothly.

And I was like, oh, I need the name of a comedian that's opening for me. I need someone that's like, oh I need the name of a comedian that's opening for me. I need someone that's like good but not that good and I couldn't pick anyone. You were gonna say like Paul F. Tompkins and then you went no no. That probably would have been about the right level. No I should have been like Paul Scheer is Paul Rust. One of the Paul's opening for me. Should have said Rory Scovel. That's how you should say. It wouldn't be good.

Speaking of which, folks, if he... Rob Hubel is opening for me. If you got Netflix, folks, watch the stand-up special, Rory Scovel tries stand-up for the first time. Oh yeah, it's quite good. It's really fucking good. I enjoyed th really really really really really that I enjoyed. I. I enjoyed that. A great deal. So catch that one, folks.

Yeah, I'm not on free-to-wear TV. Yeah. All right, guys. Uh, crime pass? Oh. I want to, no, I won't say that. No, say it. I feel like in light of the in-cell topic, the crime pass is too depressing, it's sad.

Don't kill an in-cell, but like, I don't know, maybe just like... Say you're gonna have sex with them for money and then just take the money and go. Nice, yeah, rob them. Your crime pass for this week is, if you know someone who considers themselves to be an in-sell, try and make a point of over the next couple of weeks or the next couple of months of just socializing them like a normal human being. Take them to the pub, introduce them to some of your normal friends, show them that it's okay to be kind of awkward and fucking terrible at talking to people and maybe not that great at dressing yourself or whatever, and you can

still be perfectly fucking fine living a normal fucking life and you don't have to invent some sort of absurd, self-imposed prison of isolation around the fact that you've had a few failed sexual encounters. Just fucking take them under your wing. Teach them that it's just fucking not that hard to be a part of society and they will be okay. And it's cool just to be normal and have beers and talk to strangers and do whatever. Very positive.

Tell them to stop jack it off so much. Yep. Start with that. All right folks. Thanks very much and we will see. Oh wait. Ooh. Oh.

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