Boonta Vista - EPISODE 48: Saint Peterson's Sermon on the Pound

Episode Date: May 14, 2018

Andrew, Ben and Theo are really starting to wonder about show sponsor Israel. They also regret to inform you that the Professor Peterson, Lord of the Intellectual Dark Web, is being censored once again. Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Merchandise now available: boontavista.com/merchandise _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Bunt Vista Socialist Club. Episode 48. Not, as I published last week, I published episode 67. I jumped by like 20... Fucking hell. I got way ahead of myself. Um, the actual, the actual episode that went out on the RSS was appropriately named it 47. But then I put it out, by the Twitter. I got way ahead of myself. Um, the actual, the actual episode that went out on the RSS was appropriately named at 47, but then I put it out via the Twitter account as 67. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but 4 and 6, two keys away from each are. They're pretty different, aren't they? Well you're just thinking of, wow, we are getting close to 69 and then in your head sort of,

you were using the secret a little bit and willing us us us us to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the of, you were using the secret a little bit and willing us closer. No actually here's, should we, should we peel back the curtain? Here we go folks. I had scheduled the show to be released at 7.30 a. And then I was driving to work and I thought to myself, oh, should also post it on the Twitter. So while stopped at a red light, I did it from my phone. And then?

And then you were too poned. Yes. So I was kind of rushing it. It was kind of rushing it. And that's where mistakes come in. What are you going to listen in that for all of us? Yeah, if you're going to do that in traffic, just wait until you've got it right. Ignore the people honking behind you because the light is turned green.

Take your time. You know, you got all day. Even one step better. Uh, don't rush the post when you're using your phone in your car. Don't just do it at red lights. Do it while you're driving as well. That's right, just remember really take your time, you know. On the highway if you can, because that's where you need to do the least steering.

It's my belief the lanes are wider on a highway. So you've got a little bit more wheel room. I like, there was a new story recently about like they were trialing this new speed camera technology where you can see what the person is doing in the car and they found they had there was a guy who was doing like he was doing like a hundred and twenty or hundred 30 kilometers an hour and eating a kebab with both hands. Yeah that was me. Somebody else got done for it was watching a Stephen

Seagal movie and someone accused that guy of being me. And there was some those there was stuff like you know people reading books and this is all in like a hundred kilometer an hour zone. Absolutely. Wild stuff folks. People do some pretty banana stuff in traffic. I just just came back from being on the sunny New South Wales coast and as always people on the roads fucking crazy. Or there are a bunch of bloody idiots out there today. Bunch of bunch of hooligans, a bunch of hoons, if you will.

Oh, we will. I will hewn. You like how quick I switched from, I was tweeting out shit about the show in traffic to other people who are tra. Yeah, but when you're driving badly, it's done masterfully and with care when other people are doing it. Oh man, so speaking of people doing things at red lights, like, what day was it? Thursday? I was out in the middle of nowhere, a different middle of nowhere than the one near Theo's

place but still relatively close. I do not live in the middle of nowhere, just for everyone's record. He does. He lives middle of nowhere adjacent. In a city Brisbane. That is not inner city Brisbane. Fuck off. It is like a 40-minute drive at any way. Continue on.

Beautiful Browns Plains, Queensland doing a little bit of shopping as I'm known to do. And then I'm stopped at a red light and I think that's interesting. There's a man standing next to a car that's not normally what people do at red lights and then I go oh that's interesting he's holding his motorbike helmet in his hand and he's using that helmet to smash the side mirror off a car and there was a brief alter a brief altercation. Then light turned green. He hopped back on his motorbike and sped off very, very quickly as the car also left and went in a different direction. Did the occupant of the car get out of the car while this was happening? Well, I was driving a mate to Ute, so I was kind of low, so I couldn't see through the car in front of me, I couldn't see through their their their their the window, the window, the window, the window, the window, the window, the window, the window, the window, the window, the window, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, tho, tho, thr, their, too, too, too, too, too, too, their, their, their, too, too, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, the, the, the, th..a, the, the, the, the, the, the, thr.a, thr.a, thr.a, thr.a, toe.a, toe.e.e.e.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. toe.a, toe.a, was kind of low, so I couldn't see through like the car in front of me, I couldn't see through that window, so all I could see was the shadow of the driver's side door

opening at one point. But then the light changed and then the guy sped off, so I guess there was no physical contact between them, but he sure lost his side mirror. Well he probably did something to deserve it, no doubt. I assume so. Well, yeah, let's wildly assume. So folks, I'm Andrew. That of course, witnessing traffic incidents is Ben. Hi, Ben. Hello. And Theo.

The other guy is Theo. Hi, Theo. Hey. I'm very, uh, croaky at the moment. Oh, well, at least your voice is Theo. Hi Theo. Hey, I'm very croaky at the moment. Oh, well at least your voice is back. It is, it's back. And I like to think it gives me like a nice baritone, like, you know, the guy from the National or, you know, a bit of croakiness like Tom Waits. Yeah, let's, let's go with that. I think so you got a real James or Jones kind of thing going Yeah, I think both both embody and spirit I think

Hmm real Barry white thing happened in there So look guys sad news this week Sad news thus, and that's sad news is that we we the podcast We're going to have to officially revoke our endorsement of Israel. Israel, yeah, sure. For my own information. I've not been on every episode. Yeah. I've listened to some of the ones I've not been on. I've not listed all of them. Have we at some point endorsed the State of Israel? Look, I was just working off the assumption that we were a very pro-Israel

podcast. Oh, we've just come to the realization now. Oh, yeah, no, that's fair. Yeah. Look, they shot some kids and I was like, ah, they probably got a good reason for that. And then they shot some more. And they they they they they they they they they th they th th th th th th th they're th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho that that tho tho tho tho tho tho tho that that that tho tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho-uped tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho' tho tho tho tho th. tho tho tho th. tho' tho' that that that that that that that that that' that' to to to that' to toe. toe. toe. toe an toe an toe an that' that that thooooo' the. that. And then they shot some more and I was like, okay, let's see where they're going with this. And then they just kind of kept doing it. And I was like, guys, you're gonna lose the endorsement. And they're, like, I send an email to the embassy and everything. Ari, Buntavista endorsement. No reply. Unbelievable. So we're saying Benjamin Netanyahu no longer a friend of the show. That's right, not a friend of the show. Which is a shame because I thought that endorsement would really like turn things around.

When you got the prestigious Buntivista stamp of approval, um... I thought it was just going to iron everything out. Yeah, I mean it really holds you to a high standard, but they've not lived up to it. Do you think if maybe we gave the official stamp of approval to the state of Palestine, it would be universally recognized, it would be given granted statehood. Well, I can't see why not. That's the thing. I mean, I'm racked my brain for reasons why I wouldn't. Nothing's coming to me. I mean, I think, I don't want to speak for all of us, but I'm very happy to say,

friend of the show, Palestine, friend of the show. Yeah, some pretty gross scenes. It's not good. The old border over there? I did myself a great... Actually the same day that I saw that traffic accident go down. I did myself a great disservice by listening to the New York Times Daily, The Daily.

So I've been doing a little bit lately because I kind of hoping it would make me smarter about world events, but so far it's just really served to make me very angry a lot of the time. They were talking about the protests and all the deaths at the protests, and they were sort of doing this bizarre both sidesism talking about the eight-month-old, baby Layla, and I believe her thi, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the th, the thi-in, thi-in, the their, this bizarre both sides is them talking about the eight-month-old baby Layla and I believe her name was who died after... Tear-gast right? Yeah after a tear-gassing and they're sort of their lead on it was you know this has been a big rallying cry for critics of Israel blah blah the world has sort of seen this and even people that have been on the fence about it before

saying this is going too far, and they're like, but what, if there's a hidden truth to all this that changes everything? And the hidden truth was that there have been some reports that she had a pre-existing heart condition and had died of that. Uh, which hadn't been officially confirmed by the hospital, so I was still a bit of a much of a muchness, but also just like, how do you get yourself into a position where you're like, wait, a second? All right, this, this baby, this eight-month-old that was tear-gassed died of something else, so it is perfectly fine that they tear-gassed an eight-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, thahededed-a-a-s, thrushed-s, thi, thi, thi, thi-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a was tear-gassed died of something else so it is perfectly fine that they tear-gassed an eight-month-old baby so there is nothing to worry about here. Well I think you're being a bit a bit unfair Ben I

mean what are you gonna do get the medical records of every baby you tear gas? It's just paperwork for miles. You're absolutely right. How many... That's big government. Yeah, and it's like that, to me it's very similar to the ridiculous arguments around like, yeah, shooting women and children on the border of these protests and stuff. And when people say, hey, uh, quick question. Could you not shoot the protests and stuff and when people say, hey, a quick question, could you not shoot

the women and children? And or you know, anybody doesn't have to be women. I've just got a lot of respect for women, that's all. The shooting of like women and children and unarmed men and all that sort of thing and they, and you know. Pro-Israel people. You them journalists, yep, and doctors apparently too. Medics, they're targeting everybody. It's great stuff.

And yeah, people who say, ah, well, you've been fooled because Hamas puts women and children out the front line and marches them up to the front line because they think that people won't shoot them. Which always makes me go, so you think you're proving a good point by shooting the children? I don't, it's like you're saying, Ben, that yeah, even if the argument is, ah, the baby didn't specifically die of that. That you look good now? Yeah, it's fucking insane.

The whole thing is crazy. There are so many people, like, you'll thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, they they they's they's they's they's they's they'll have they'll have they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they're they'll they're th.. th. th. th. th. thin. that. thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's, that, that, that, thin't that, that, that, thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. th. th. th. th. th. thin. th. thin. th. thin. th. thin. th. are so many people like, you know, if you've tweeted about this even once, you will have inevitably gotten a million people jumping on to be like, well, don't they have a right to defend their borders? And as people will point out, I mean, it's not really a border in any way, shape or form, that's fine, but also, they don't pose any risk. The protesters, like, there are layers and layers and layers of these fences and armed guards and everything. Like, these guys are just trying to get close to one chain link fence, which is only a minor fraction of it. There is not a single chance in the world of these people like doing a violent invasion of Israel or anything. That's never been the point of any of these protests. to talk about this being like a life the life the life the life the life their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, the, the, thea, thea, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they're, they're, thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. point of any of these protests. To talk about this being like a life-odd this situation where

you know they have to shoot a woman throwing a rock because if they don't she's gonna like get in there and topple Israel. It's just fucking insane. Staving off the waves of invaders. Yeah, it's so fucking crazy. What do people think that the fence is? Like their their th. they they they they they they they they's they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their. their. their their their their. their their their. their their their. their their their their they're they're they're they're they're they'rethink that the fence is? Like just to take the hypothetical fence, right? Like any fence that they're up against, right? What was that fence? It's not a border, right? Because internationally there is no two-state existence, right? It's the prison that we put these people inside of.

Yeah. I want to draw a strange parallel though for a second and tell me if this is quote unquote fucking stupid. But thank you Ben. But yeah, like either of us could have made that noise. Yeah, I think I'd know your snickering at this point. I would have coughed directly afterwards. Horribly. No, but like a sort of parallel just came to mind for me,

which is like, Australia's refugee and immigration policy. And the reason that it's sort of that I would draw a parallel there is because to me the whole Israel situation is, you know, it's kind of representative of the horrible things that can happen when like too many political parties just form a bipartisan consensus on a particularly bad issue. Like, and in the sense of Israel, it's that they're mowing down, they're like literally just murdering thousands of unarmed people, which is not an exaggeration at this point. And, you know, in Australia, because the policy of governments and opposition parties here is support Israel,

there's just, there is not a voice of criticism to be found in the major parties in Australia. And the same thing in the states. Like, I mean, you know, you only got to look at the reaction in the US where they had where they had US you know UN ambassador Nikki Haley at the UN where she got up and said oh of course they did that we think that she said we think that Israel was showed remarkable restraint was the way that she put it, and said, which country here wouldn't do that if their sovereign borders were threatened?

And then the guy who reports on Palestine started speaking, and she very purposefully stood up and turned her back and walked out of the chamber. And again, there's no, you know, neither political party in the states or in Australia is offering any form of criticism of this whatsoever. And yeah, and the parallel to me is, it's like our border policy where, you know, there is absolutely no incentive for either party to change their stance on that, matter how a barren and wrong-headed the whole thing is so no matter what fucked up stuff happens they both just kind of go yep I guess we'll just keep rolling like this and it'll all work itself out somehow yeah I wonder what in the

long-term people hope to happen there? Like, I think on the whole people just want it to go away. Right? Like, I think... Oh, and again, there's another parallel for you of both of those situations. It's a fairly intractable thing that you can't, you can't solve it without one side of the equation effectively just giving miles, you know? Yeah. Without yet just just one side of the argument saying, okay, we can see that something drastically needs to change and we completely acquiesce to your demands. And it does not seem like either of those things are going to happen at all in either of those situations.

Well, I mean, I had a real hopefulness when, that something would change for the better when they sent Jared Kushner over there. I thought, here's finally the beacon of light that will illuminate this twisting passage. But that didn't happen. I don't know why. It's a shame. It's hard to imagine what went wrong there. It's because we didn't give him the official endorsement of the show.

Oh. We've really... There's a lot we could have done to save a lot of things from going bad. I feel like we could be saving a lot of lives if we just get like a stamp made or something. Really speed the whole process up. Terrible. To move on to from something very depressing to something else, depressing. Folks, guess who's back in the news? That's right. It's a great big Muppet talk and weirdo, Jordan Peterson. Which I, if I'm correct, means Jordan, Peter's son. I think you might be correct.

I've watched a couple of videos of him, and every single time, I think. Jordan, Peter's son. I think you might be correct. I've watched a couple of videos of him and every single time I think I get some sort of stress-induced amnesia that makes me forget how fucking much he sounds like Kermit Frog. Like every time I watch a video I'm like, oh shit, it's like, it's close. If this was like a Richie Rich style voice match security system set up by Kermit the Frog, Jordan Peterson could dust off his elbow patches wander in there and easily break through that code.

Yeah. Yep, it's very true. Um, now, who was it that wrote that article? Let me just check, oh, it was in fact, New York Times opinion writer Barry Weiss. I'm gonna say Baza Wise. I'm gonna say Bazaa Weiss wrote, wrote the piece, meet the renegades of the intellectual dark web. It's still making me angry, just think about it. I love how it's so hard to hear about or see anything about Jordan Peterson that you have

to go to, you've got to download a VPN. You've got a fire through tour. All this, even to hear the slightest mention of any of these people. I'm sure that, the regular, the regular, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, wrote, their, wrote, their, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, their, their, wrote, wrote, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their, their, their, their, their, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, wrote, their, their, their, wrote, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their,this, even to hear the slightest mention of any of these people. I'm sure that regular people browsing the internet are not sick of hearing anything about them. So, yeah, folks, just for your context, Basil Weiss wrote this article about the intellectual Dark Web, which is, you know, this completely unheard of place where people come together to quietly under the radar, criticize identity politics. Like that, never happens anywhere. Almost if it doesn't exist. And these people who these people who she lists off as being you know people

who the media tries to censor and pillory and you know they can't they can't have a voice without being hugely criticized and all the sort of stuff. So Jordan Peterson, obviously. Sam Harris, who is sort of up there with Joe Rogan as one of the most popular like new atheist. Rationalist. Yeah, of the world. Dave Rubin, who also has his own immensely popular media platforms and all that kind of stuff. And yeah, and so to really hammer home the idea that it's really hard for, you know, rebels and renegades like Jordan Peterson to have their voice heard, here is another big weekend long read piece in the New York Times about Jordan Peterson again called Jordan Peterson, custodian of the patriarchy.

And I gotta say like please check out the photos that go along with this piece, if you will. They are very funny to me, as is every photo of Jordan Peterson, where he is like posing backstage with the person that has interviewed him, because I cannot fathom the level of self-seriousness that this man now extends to himself. Every photo he is striking a very deliberate pose, including ones where he's just like posing with someone else for a photo. He's obviously very, very clearly and very deliberately striking a posture, you know, and pulling an extremely serious face. I see his teeth are like, you know, the mouth of Soron. He's just got row upon row of like diagonal horrible teeth because we never see them.

He, to me, very much has the appearance and bearing of... You know how in movies where like someone is taken over by an alien parasite or whatever and it gets in their bloodstream, and they've got like, before it fully kicks in, they find that they're like spitting up black stuff or whatever, and they're just like bits of hair or falling out. Yeah. He's like, if that happened to a geography teacher. Just a drop of the X-Files black tar coming from beneath his eyeball. A hundred percent. No, no, I see that. And there's like a great degree of the Richard Spencer effect in play here as well because occasionally he will wear nice clothes, right? Like he will wear gray pants and a brown belt and pair them and everyone goes, wow, look at this dapper intellectual.

We better put him on the cover, you know, just in case people weren't going to read this article about weirdo Kermit the Voice man who tells people to clean their rooms. Yeah, it's almost as if when you can get enough rubes to funnel all of their pocket money to you, you can have a suit tailored. Yes. As in the case of Richard Spencer, whenever there are photos that aren't from a particularly like manicured moment, they look unbelievably slubby. Yeah, he's somehow found like a silk polo shirt. It's got like four folds of stomach coming out of the underneath of it. It's weird, you're right.

That photo, uh, there was a video that I saw going around today that was him on some TV show talking about how like his son was told not to throw snowballs at school and like, that's the reason that, I don't know, he took it on it for fucking insane tangent tan tangent, but he was dressed very much like someone in the mid-2000s trying to dress like a 1920s gangster. Like, fedora, pinstripe sort of suit thing and then lots of bits of like a silk silver tongue and stuff. Like someone's interviewing him on the way to some god-awful guys and dolls party. Oh, a hundred percent. No, it's like someone's interviewing on the way to one of those like land parties

in formal wear. Fuck. Oh God. Oh, that's making my eyes itch. By the way, there is that photo of Jordan Peterson in a fodora while we're on that topic. So, now, now we've touchedcest on a point here which is that like I said there's a lot of things that I see with him and in Lely where I think oh he very much looks like he's starting to enjoy the money that's coming with his

notoriety that's coming with his you know book being number one of the bestseller lists and getting to pack lecture halls and you know having all of his patron subscribers and all that sort of stuff he very much looks as though he's starting to enjoy certain aspects of that and there are quite a few things throughout this article that really jump out to me as like the really jump out to me as like the really the really jump out to me is almost tacit admissions of just kind of hucksterism, you know? And I would tie that as well to several things throughout this piece which I'll call out as we run across them. Where, I guess like, you know,

his whole thing is about saying all of these different archetypes and stereotypes and things from history all tell us this very specific stuff, unless it doesn't align with what I want, in which case that example doesn't count. You know, there's a whole lot of things that he basically just pulls out and says, oh, well, in this particular case, that's, we shouldn't do it like that. And it seems completely arbitrary and only related to what he happens to think is the best way to do something. So let's start grinding through a bit of this unpleasantness, and we'll pull some of that as

we go. Jordan Peterson fills huge lexa halls and tells his audiences there's no shame in looking backward to a model of how the world should be arranged. Look back to the 1950s he says and back even further. He tells his audiences that they are smart. It's not at all what a hoxster would do. He is bringing them knowledge, yes but it is knowledge that they already know and feel in their bones. He casts this as ancient wisdom thiiiiiiiiiiiii thi thi thi but it is knowledge that they already know and feel in their bones. He casts this as ancient wisdom, delivered through religious allegories and fairy tales which

contain truth, he says, that modern society has forgotten. Most of his ideas stem from an gnawing anxiety around gender. The masculine spirit is under assault. He told me. In Mr. Peterson's world, order is masculine. Chaos is feminine, and if an overdose of femininity is our new poison, Mr. Peterson knows the cure. Hence, his new books.

Women do be sewing the seeds of chaos. They do be doing that. Absolutely. Hence, his new book's subtitle, an antidote to chaos. We have to rediscover the eternal values and then live them out. He says. Mr. Peterson 55, a University of Toronto Psychology professor, turned YouTube philosopher, turned mystical father figure, has emerged as an influential thought leader. The messages he

delivers range from hoary self-help empowerment talk, clean your room, stand up straight, to the more retrograde and political. A society run as a patriarchy makes sense and stems mostly from men's competence. The notion of white privilege is a farce. He is the stately-looking pedigreed voice for a group of culture warriors who are working diligently to undermine mainstream and liberal efforts to promote equality. He is also very successful. His book, Twelve Rules for Life, which was published in January, has sold more than 1.1 million copies.

Thanks to his YouTube channel, he makes more than $80, dollars a month just on donations. Christ. Hundreds of thousands of people have taken his online personality tests and self-improvement writing exercises. The media covers him relentlessly. Now that's a funny thing to publish. Yeah very funny isn't that odd. Well the media covers him relentlessly and it links to the intellectual dark web piece in the New York Times. The piece which states that like these people are being fucking silenced. For two days in May Mr. Peterson gives me a view of his life.

He shows me his home, lets me listen in on business calls and a Skype session with a fan and follow him backstage during a speaking engagement at the Queen Elizabeth Theatre. He does not smile. He has a weathered, gaunt face and big furrowed eyebrows. He has written about dogs being closest in behavior to humans, but there is something extremely feline about him. He always wears a suit. He always wears a suit. I am a very serious person, he often says. God. I'm try to imagine saying that to somebody. Hey, just in case you didn't know, I'm a very serious person. I'm imagining him like leaning across to people he doesn't know like at another table at a restaurant. Excuse me? I am a very serious person.

Oh man, wherever he goes he speaks in sermons about the inevitability of who we must be. You know you can say, well isn't it unfortunate that chaos is represented by the feminine? Well it might be unfortunate, but it doesn't matter because that is how it's represented. It's been represented like that forever. And there are reasons for it. You can't change it. It's not possible. This is underneath everything. If you change those basic categories, people wouldn't be human anymore. They'd be something else. They'd be transhuman or something. We wouldn't be able to talk to these new creatures. Jesus Christ. Now it's been pointed out about Jordan Peterson I should say that he has this obsession with hierarchies and his lobsters and such.

But he also at the same time is obsessed with the idea that, you know, quote unquote cultural Marxism and post-modernism and all this sort of stuff is terrible because it's this retrograde departure from everything that the greatest thinkers of the Enlightenment came up with, except that the thing that the thinkers of the Enlightenment came up with was that the world shouldn't and isn't, you know, shouldn't be and isn't defined by preordained hierarchies. That we shouldn't, you know, like that the royalty aren't actually ordained by God to sit above the rest of the masses. And yeah, so I just don't get this whole thing of him just basically trying to say, oh, everything is the way it is because that's the natural order of the world.

I mean, you really have to pick and choose with that sort of stuff, right? Like if you're saying... Oh, and he does. If you're trying to be like, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the. that, that that that that thea, that that that that that that that that that that that that, the that with that sort of stuff, right? Like if you're saying... Oh and he does. If you're trying to be like, well, obviously the 1950s was the the perfect organization of human society because doughy-looking men got to have hot wives for forever. Chicks knew their place, yeah. Yeah, but at the same time you have to be like, well, okay, do you also think that racial segregation was that a good hierarchy? Was that a good part of the social order that we had then before political correctness ruined it? I think it's very telling though the picking of the 50s, right? Because it was that time where, um, I guess society was portrayed as idyllic because, in no

small part of a very concerted effort to ignore the cries of those that were suppressed, you know. The civil rights movements were only really starting to spin up. And you know we see the 60s and the chaos that came out of that you know as far as he's as far as he's concerned but to him the 50s is good where we've got all these problems but as long as you ignore them right and you continue going exactly as you as you are everything's going to turn out great it's like he saw the first season of madmen and went oh this is a good thing yes yeah it's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi the the the thi thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the thi thi the the thi the thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi theeee. thi. thee. thi's thi's thi's thi. thi's thi's thi the first season of madmen and went, Oh, this is a good thing.

Yes. Yeah, it's great when society has all these problems, but the sort of people that represent or could articulate these problems to you aren't allowed on the same bus as you. Well, it's also interesting, I guess, in that a lot of the kinds of people that they go on to talk about, the, you know, disenfranchranchranchranchranch. the the they about, they about, they about, they about, their their their their disenf- about, the disenfranchised young white men and incels and all that sort of stuff, that there is a common thread with that sort of stuff of people who do feel as though there isn't a place or opportunity for them in this world. Not that that's anything to do with, say, you know, the horrible fallout from absolutely unbridled capitalism or anything. But the thread you see with those types of people is this constant kind of,

ah, I wish I lived in the 50s because some bird that I dated in high school would have had to get married to me and she would bear my children and she would make me dinner and iron my shirts and everything would be easy and she would cook all my food and all that sort of stuff. And like I've seen, I've seen the quote, you know, we talked on a previous episode about like the whole insult culture. And a quote from one of the posts from one of those guys is like, you know, I long for a, I long for a past that I never knew, that I never experienced. So there's this weird kind of thing of very obviously people are seeing this idealized version of the past through these

rose-colored glasses that they never experienced, and they never knew what it was actually like and they never knew what would actually be demanded of them if they lived in that time, and you know, were the patriarch of a family, but instead they just get to have this completely idealized viewpoint, you know. So it goes on to a subheading, why men murder? Mr. Peterson's home is a carefully curated house of horror. He is filled it with a sprawl of art. It's a good way to have your home described.

He's filled it with a sprawl of art that covers the walls from floor to ceiling. Most of it is communist propaganda from the Soviet Union. Execution scenes, soldiers looking noble. A constant reminder, he says, of atrocities and oppression. He wants to feel their imprisonment, though he lives here on a quiet residential street in Toronto and is quite free. Marxism is resurgent, Mr. Peterson says, looking ashen and stricken. I say it seems unnecessarily stressful to live like this.

He tells me life is stressful. He tucks,, this is an image that I found strange, he tucs his legs under him as he talks, curled in a dark leather seat. He has been padding around softly in socks. He looks down while he talks and makes fleeting suspicious eye contact. Sounds like a massive fucking beta, am I right? Jesus. Curled up like a little kitty on his chair in his little suckies. Unable to make eye contact with the lady reporter.

He quit his private practice last year and it's on an early sabbatical from the University of Toronto. He dragged the school into controversy in 2016 by opposing a Canadian bill that he believed would compel him to use a student's preferred pronouns. I like the, uh, I feel like that's quite noteworthy there, that he th, the the the th.. th, th, the the the the the th, thi the the the thi thi to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to to to to to to to to compel him to use a student's preferred pronouns. I like the, I feel like that's quite noteworthy there, that he believed would compel him. As opposed to it would actually compel him. Well it's a slippery slope. I think you find these things once you start giving some people some rights. Give him an inch. I'm not going to be a mouthpiece for a language that I detest and that's that, he said during a debate at the University of Toronto.

Mr. Peterson, who grew up in Fairview Canada, a small town in northern Alberta, spent his career teaching psychology at Harvard and then at the University of Toronto all while running a clinical practice. The lesson most patients need to hear, he says, is grow the hell up, accept some responsibility, live an honorable life. We just haven't talked about that in any compelling way in three generations, he says, probably since the beginning of the 60s. Oh, you nailed that one, Theo. That's where it all started to go so wrong. It's interesting. I love the idea that like, yeah, nobody has said at any point since the beginning of the 60s that it's a good idea to accept some responsibility, live an honorable life.

I've seen the Matrix, pal. That was a lesson of that one, I'm pretty sure. Why did he decide to engage in politics at all? He says a couple of years ago he had three clients in his private practice. Quote, pushed out of a state of mental health by a left-wing bully is in their workplace. I ask for an example and he sighs. Huh. Thank you for that.

I feel like that's our curm at would sigh. He says one patient had to be part of a long email chain over whether the term flip chart could be used in the workplace since the word flip is a pejorative for Filipino. She had a radical left-wing boss who was really concerned with equality and a quality of outcome and all these things and diversity and inclusivity and all these buzzwords and she was subjected to. She sent me the email chain, 30 emails about whether or not the word flip chart was acceptable, Mr. Peterson says.

So he was radicalized, he says, because the quote radical left wants to eliminate hierarchies, which he says are the natural order of the world. In his book, like, I just love that his whole thing is like, oh yes, I have to do all this shit because one guy was in on an email chain. I mean, yeah, it's telling of their impression of what real oppression is like. Well like, I mean, like anybody, anybody who has just been forced to be an office drone for any length of time has absolutely been exposed to some stupid shit. It doesn't have to be political correctness related. It can be all kinds of things. But like most, most reasonable people would just go,

oh, I can see that it's somebody with too much time on their hands, getting too deep into something, I'm going to check out of this now. But reading all 30 of these emails and making yourself so agitated that you need to go see a psychologist and tell him about how you've been pushed out of your state of mental health by an email chain at work. It's a little out there. A little out there for me.

He was radicalized, he says, because the radical left wants to eliminate hierarchies. He says it's the natural order of the world. In his book he illustrates this idea with the social behavior of lobsters. Yes, that animal that is almost identical to humans. It's humans and lobsters that can recognize themselves in the mirror I believe. Yes. Yes. Both of them snap their fingers and or claws. When Sam Cook comes on the radio, no other animals, no other animals in the animal kingdom. We both have blue blood, we both live for 400 years. The similarities go on, no, no.

We hate being dropped into a huge tub of boiling water. We hate it. And much like lobsters, if you put us in a big pot of cold water, but slowly turn it up, we won't notice. I will not notice when that water gets above 50 degrees centigrade. I will not notice. You know in Dante's peak, the people that died in the hot spring, that's what happened to them. They didn't realize and then their skin boiled off.

A little too late, suddenly. He chose lobsters because they have hierarchies and are an ancient species and are also invertebrates with serotonin. Oh yeah. Oh my god, he's literally the guy from the lobster. You got, have you, no, I have not seen it yet. I'm seeing you. Well, I mean, he's just totally emotionless, does not have any real person thoughts and believes that the lobster is the most noble of people of animals. This lobster hierarchy has become a rallying cry for his fans. They put images of the crustacean on t-shirts and mugs. The left, he believes, refuses to admit that men might be in charge because they are better at it.

People who hold that our culture is an oppressive patriarchy, they don't want to admit that the current hierarchy might be predicated on competence, he said. Like, just the whole lobster hierarchy thing is is fucking wild to me as well because like how Like yeah, maybe he's he's a hundred percent On board and invested in deep on this thing right? But the idea that you could be shopping this around to your You know majority-wide audiences and like peddling this stuff to people and not perhaps noticing

that your mostly white male audience are all like, yeah, the people who've been dominant for the largest are the most deserving of it and it should stay that way. Like, eh, nothing, nothing to see here. Nothing to consider about why these particular people are agreeing with you so vehemently? Hmm. Mr. Peterson illustrates his arguments with copious references to ancient myths. Yes, because very related to lopses. Bringing up stories of witches, biblical alleges and ancient traditions. I ask why these old stories should guide us today. It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp, yeah? He says, why?

It's a hard one. Right, that's right. You don't know. It's because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right, yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower. But witches don't exist and they don't live in swamps, I say. Yeah, they do exist. They just don't exist the way you think they exist. They certainly exist. You may say, well, dragons don't exist. It's like, yes they do. The category Predator and the category Dragon are the same category.

It absolutely exists. It's a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. I really like that things can exist by degrees with him. It really exists. I really like that things can exist by degrees with him. It super exists. Hyper exists. I love... Yeah, see Ben, you think that you exist, but me, pal, I really exist.

I just love how much he escalates over the course of that. He's like, oh, they do. Yeah, they do. I mean, yeah, they fucking do. They're the only thing that exists. Everything is dragons. It goes from like, oh, well, this is kind of a metaphor, so in a sense it exists to, it exists absolutely more than anything else. It's also great that because she's recorded, you know,

written it down as he was saying it, it's got the cadence of someone sort of making their mind up as they're saying it, like, convincing themselves, yeah. Yeah, that's right. They do exist. Jesus Christ, yeah. What exists is not obvious. You say, well there's no such thing as witches. Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isn't what you think when you go see a movie about them. You can't help but fall into these categories. There's no escape from them. So... Like it's such a dumb argument because he thinks it's like that, you know, we're raised on stories of like fantasy stories of witches living in forests or fucking whatever and kings living in towels and whatever because that's the mythology of you know the culture that we were raised in and then somehow

that this dude thinks that us associating those things together is a sign of it being like ancient genetic primal knowledge instead of just I watched a bunch of movies that had that in it. Yeah, like, oh, imagine a movie also having an archetype from old stories. And I guess to me, to me that whole quote just also, yeah, really sums up the whole idea that he just, he just shifts the goalposts based on whatever he's trying to say at that exact moment. Yeah. Ah, it's, well, it's an archetype, but also it doesn't exist, but it does exist. It really really really really really really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It really th. It th. It th. It thi thi. It thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a thi. the archetype the archetype the archetype the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a ty a ty a ty a ty a ty a ty a tya tya thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a trying to say at that exact moment. Yeah, well it's an archetype, but also it doesn't exist, but it does exist. It really exists. You say there aren't witches, but also there are, because you saw them in a movie.

And also, I think it's pretty like, you know, if you take him at face failure, and you kind of go, okay, well, he's trying to make a metaphor of, like, well, these things exist because this is the way the world or our society operates and that sort of thing. And he's just too stupid to understand the interplay between those two things that we make up metaphors, right? We create these metaphors because of how the society that we've created currently ticks along. Like they don't, yeah, like Ben said, they don't come from some ancient genetic truth.

They're stories because people like to run things that have a parallel to what their society's like. And it's not that complicated but he thinks he's on some sort of higher plane of existence. I'm trying to picture Jordan Peterson reading one of those comic books that like that says many eons ago they were referred to as gods but now we know they walk among us and our superheroes having him absolutely shit himself at that idea. They absolutely exist. We know them as strong men.

Wolverine exists and he's my friend. Recently a young man named Alec Manette drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van. Ten were killed and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths, with attempted murder for 16 people who were injured. Mr. Manassian declared himself to be part of a misogynous group whose members called themselves in cells. The term is short for involuntary celibates, though the group has evolved into a male supremacist movement made up of people, some celibate some not, who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights. Some believe in forced sexual redistribution, in which a governing body would intervene in women's

lives to force them into sexual relationships. Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married. Now, look, you can say what you want you th you th you want th you want th you want th you want th you want th you want th you want th you want those men are married. Now, look, you can say what you want about Jordan Peterson, but he speaks a lot of sense, like this following sentence. He was angry at God because women were rejecting him. Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That's actually why monogamy emerges.

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is to him simply a rational solution. Otherwise, women will all only go for the most high status men, he explains, and that couldn't make either gender happy in the end. Half the men fail, he says, meaning that they don't procreate. No one cares about the men who fail. I laugh. I laugh because it is absurd. You're laughing about them, he says, giving me a disappointed look.

That's because you're female. Now, so this was a point that was interesting to me in the sense that Jordan Peterson is ashen face and stricken when considering the idea that Marxism is rife, you know, these ideas of redistributing wealth and enforced equality and all this sort of thing, are absolutely horrifying to him. Those are these atrocities that should not be forgotten, you know, and things that he thinks no one should ever let them out of their mind, and it's the worst shit in the world, and that he's all super into individualism and people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and going out of the world and getting what they want, unless there is fucking

in-sell fans and all of a sudden he thinks that enforced monogamy is a rational solution. Yeah, all of a sudden the meritocracy goes out the window. Yep. And guess what? It's a free market, bitch. Yeah, this idea that people should be responsible for themselves, that people should, you know, stand up tall and go out into the world and get what they want and get their own house in order and go out and do all this shit. All that's out the fucking window because this particular thing aligns with what is fucking fans think, you know? Yeah. And the other part of this, right, quite obviously, is that, I mean, I would, you know, empathize, I guess with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with obviously is that, I mean I would, you know, empathize I guess with people that don't, you know, they're lonely and they don't know what to do about and what have you, but the ironic thing is that by listening to Jordan Peterson and then putting on a lobster

shirt and walking around not making eye contact with women waiting to be assigned a wife and then putting on a lobster shirt and walking around not making eye contact with women and waiting to be assigned a wife and then saying all this weird stuff to reporters and all this sort of stuff is just enabling a self-fulfilling prophecy, right? Like these people can go and perform self-improvement, become nice people, go and have active interests, all this sort of thing. And hey, you know, watch as the sex redistributes itself naturally, right? But instead they're choosing to listen to this weirdo and become weirdos, unbeknownst to them and just shooting themselves in the foot.

Like it's almost sad in its irony. I mean, the situation is sad, right? Like I don't really know who you blame in these sort of situations, you know, these are people that for whatever reason, social skills or temperament or whatever have failed to click with society at large and then they have, their recourse has been finding these sort of toxic online communities. And that fucking sucks, but whose responsibility is it to make outreach to these sorts of people to stop them from falling in with this sort of bullshit you know? Yeah but also the entire like as far as

this idea of redistributing sex and all that sort of stuff I mean I can't for the life of me fathom how any person who thinks that, you know, all other forms of redistribution, redistributing wealth via taxes or seizing assets or any of that sort of stuff, they think that that stuff is the most vile shit in the world, the people who say, you know, taxation is theft and all that sort of shit, they think that literally removing another individual's autonomy and forcing them to give up their body to a stranger to stop that stranger from saying, well I guess I'll fucking kill people if nobody wants to mate with me is somehow a logical solution, is somehow palatable? Well, no, I think that's actually quite easy to mate with me is somehow a logical solution is somehow palatable?

Oh well no I think that's actually quite easy to explain. All of these people are middle class so they don't believe anything else needs to be redistributed because they're doing just fine but they don't fuck so they think there is actual fuck inequality. Oh there's a problem in that one yeah. So so he says here, so it goes on. But a problem in that one, yeah. So, so he says here, um, so it goes on. But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, comma, that's a hell of a fucking start to a sense, but aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls, quote, equality of outcomes, and quote, or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls

them pathological or evil. He agrees that this is inconsistent but preventing hordes of single men from violence he believes is necessary for the stability of society and forced monogamy helps neutralize that. Yeah I can think of a few other things necessary to the stability of society like Ben, he's middle class so he doesn't have those needs. You don't suffer from any of those issues. This is fucking insane. Like we know that the roots of so much of crime in the world. Like you can just draw a line from it.

But those sorts of crimes which make up 99.9999% of crime in the world. Well, we shouldn't really just read anything to tackle those. It's just this one very, very specific crime that happens to play into my own fucking weird little ideology and self-help bullshit. That's the one that we should, we should definitely tear up the absolute societies it stands to, today as far as gender roles go and redo all of that because Occasionally someone's gonna hop in a van and Do some bad shit. Yeah, because taxing a billionaire 10% more is a fucking unthinkable thing we shouldn't do no matter what, but making women sex slaves. Well, yeah, I was gonna say oh, you're punishing him for being successful and that's unfair now. I'm just gonna turn turn around 180 degrees and slap some handcuffs on these women and lead them away to the sex school art. But hey, at

least they're furry handcuffs. But I mean it's pretty like I think the, I think he does want a small government right though he just wants a small government, right? Though, he just wants a small building, which is for like rebates for tobacco farmers, and then right next to the women's warehouse. And that's your government. Yeah, that'll do it. I mean, that's pretty reduction for his views. I think he also wants heavy rebates for the pipe industry as well. For the J.R.R. Tolkien costume department.

Yeah. In situations where there is too much mate choice, quote, A small percentage of the guys have hyper access to women, so they don't form relationships with women. Yeah. Yeah. He says, and they don't form relationships with women, he said, and the women hate that. Oh, man.

Now, look, we gotta wrap this up because there's too much more there. There's too much more. But, but I do need to just skip ahead to this bit here, right? And they're talking about some of his readings, his public appearances. When Mr. Peterson comes down the line shaking hands, the crowd cheers in a way that is not normal for a book tour. He is wearing a new three-piece suit, shiny and brown with wide lapels with decorative silver flourish. Yes, that's right, it's the one suit you've seen him wearing and there's fucking 40 different media appearances. It is evocative of imagery from a hundred years ago. That's

the point. His speech too is from another era, stilted with old-timey phrases, a hypnotic rhythm. It's a vocal tactic he came to only recently. Videos from a few years ago have him speaking and dressing in a more modern way. I ask him about the retro clothes and phrases. He calls it his prairie populism. That's what happens when you rescue your father from the belly of the whale, he says. You rediscover your tradition. Now like I find it very difficult to read that and think to myself, ah, here's a guy who, you know, he's just come upon these particular ideas and he's very confident in them as opposed to, again, this is just another one of these points where I get this massive flash of huckster.

You know, I have to dress this particular way and speak to people in a particular hypnotic rhythm, you know, stilted with old time phrases. Women love it when you're talking a hypnotic rhythm with stilted old tiny phrases. Yes, yes. Yeah, and calling it your prairie populism, Jesus Christ. It just, it's just bad. And like every person that they speak to is just fucking terrible. Inside, inside among the crowd was Sue Bone, 66, a retired flight attendant from Halifax.

Miss Bone loved her flight attendant job until she began to find it dehumanizing and corporate. Her friend told her the airlines were now run by quote angry gay queens, she says. She found Mr. Peterson. She feels he understands the danger of these strange new social forces. He's waking us up in the West. Oh my God, it's just capitalism. It's just what working's like.

No, no, it's definitely because of the decline of the West. It's the Queens. The Queens are doing it. Oh my God. This is, this is great. Around midnight there is still a group outside lingering and talking. Leon or possibly Lion. Arra 22, a theater student in Montreal says Mr. Peterson's discussion of gender brought him back to religion.

It made sense in a primordial way when he breaks down Adam and Eve, the snake in chaos, Mr. Ara says. Eve made Adam self-conscious. Women make men self-conscious because they're the ultimate judge. I was like, wow, this is really true. The changes in his life include starting to clean his room. My mom's been nagging me for years, but I've never done it until Dr. Peterson, he says. You organize one shelf, you do that, just incremental

challenges, he says. Also, quick check, he wouldn't listen to a woman when she was saying the thing that he had to do, but the man was right, and therefore, that's why hierarchies exist. Wouldn't listen to a woman who was putting a fucking roof over his head, giving him a room to sleep in. You organize one shelf, you do that, just incremental challenges, he says. That makes you realize, okay, this is how I grow up. She says this fucking 22-year-old who can't clean his own room.

Jesus Christ. I mean, someone should be telling these people to clean their room, right? You just don't need the weird air of mysticism around it. Yeah, 100%. Like 90% of his bullshit is just basic self-help for people that do kind of need it, you know? Like that, looking after yourself, fucking, there's like a whole swathes of his book that are just about like showering and stuff. That's like good. It's so good that there is someone that is reaching these people and being like,

hey, I know it kind of fucking sucks and you're lonely or whatever, this is how you become part of the society. This is how you get confidence. This is how you feel good about yourself. This is how you get your life in order. saying that women need to be like parachuted into your bedroom so you can fuck them at will. That would be super good. Also there's places that they can go I'm just saying. Yes, yes. Where that happens. Let me let me just give you a

final few examples. Now and like this kind of makes me think of the of the Ben Shapiro stuff where like you know there's there's been several people now who've done a bunch a bunch of murders and they th th th th th th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they're they're they're they're like and they're like and they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they're they're they're they're they're they're like they're like they're like they're like like they're like like like they're they're they're they're they're they're th. th. they're th. they're th. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're where like, you know, there's been several people now who've done a bunch of murders and they were like big time, you know, Ben Shapiro heads and all these other kind of relatively fringe right-wing talking heads. And like, I couldn't help but think to myself recently. I was just like, I wonder if Ben Shapiro ever just looks through the replies to any given post that he does on Twitter to see the kind of things that people who are speaking in support of Jordan Peterson. Because it's pretty horrible. So here's just two of the people that are that they get to speak in support of Jordan Peterson. Jordan's exposed something that's been festering for a long time, says Justin Trottier, 35,

the co-founder of the Men's Rights Organizations, Canadian Association for Equality and Canadian Center for Men and Families. Jordan's forced people to pay attention. Mr. Trotier made headlines when his group called the anti-man-spreading subway initiatives sexist. Their musty space host events in which men discuss the prejudice as they perceive against them. One of their group's main goals is quote waking the police up to female perpetrated domestic violence Mr. Trotia says.

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partners that if you ever speak out about that you'll catch one of these motherfuckers coming along and going there are but you're not saying anything about men who have victims of domestic violence as though saying saying something about one thing is also an explicit admission of you saying and I don't care about these people and I hope they get they th th th th th th they they they they they they they they they they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they get they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their women women women women women women women women women women women they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thee the the the they they they they they one thing is also an explicit admission of you saying and I don't care about these people and I hope they get abused or anything like that. Yeah, they're very stupid. Whereas, whereas the reality is, yeah, it's just saying, hey, the ones who are doing the most murdering, if we can hop on that one first.

And of course, and of course this, there are now regular Jordan Peterson discussion groups. The one in Toronto meets once a week at a restaurant called Hemingways and is run by Chris Shepard who used to be a professional pick-up artist who coached men on how to get laid faster at a club but is now a dating coach. What a wonderful intersection of things. Fucking hell. Oh my God. It's just... I mean, well, I was thinking like half an hour ago.

Yeah, this all sounds a lot like the same kind of people that will get sucked in by MRAs, right? Like, oh, you're not getting laid, you know, here are things that you can perform by rote to turn it all around instead of becoming a normal person, right? Like... There's definitely a lot of crossover in that same basic help, self-help stuff too, because those, fucking MRA stuff was all about like just teeth, well not all about, but like, oh sorry, not MRAs is the fucking PUA stuff was a bunch of

really, I'm talking PUAs as well, sorry. A bunch of like really, really, like a bunch of like really, a bunch of like, with a big, big heaping load of misogyny as well. It has to be wrapped up in a veneer of something else. It has to be in ideology, it has to be a movement. They can't just get basic life skills for the sake of getting basic life skills. It has to be in the pursuit of something else that is completely ridiculous. Hmm. So folks, we've got to stick a pin in this awful stupid shit. Awful, a stupid shit. And we're gonna be back a little later in the week with the old bonus episode,

and we're gonna do a great big heaping load of letters from wonderful patrons and all those kind of folks. And you can find that episode if you would like some additional content over on Patreon.com forward slash Punta Vista. And I guess you could go over to the old iTunes and give us a five-star rating if you feel passionately about stuff like that. Yep. Yeah.

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And soon enough, you'll be having sex and you can come back to iTunes and swing us us that five-star review once you have lost your virginity. It's fine. It's nothing. Yeah, once a day, I mean, I don't really want to give away the secret, but once a day is a private post on Patriot on We say shower Hmm watch that should that's our one rule for life Uh, what rule for life is wash your dick and or pussy. Yeah, yeah, that covers all of it that's most of it. Yeah, I would just as a interesting much like Jordan Peterson. We too are going to introduce a to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to introduce a to introduce a to introduce a to introduce a to introduce a to introduce a to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. It. It. It's a th. It. It. It. It's a th. It's a to to to to to to to to to to to to to try. It's a try. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. to. to. to. to. try. A. A. to. Yeah. I would just, as a extra thing. Much like Jordan, much like Jordan Peterson, we too are going to introduce a $200 a month

Patreon tier in which you can have a personal Skype call with us and we'll tell you how to get your life together. Fuck, you can have three hours for that price. This article is just so fucking critical. It's great. Mr. Peterson's office has objects scattered and strewn throughout. There is a hat from a gulag, some steampunk masks he thought were cool. Oh, stacks of paper and cords and a kermit puppet.

His sister sent him because his fans doked at his voice, high and horse sounds like the Muppet. This is like the people, the people I used to go to go to to to to f to f to f to f to f to f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f' f-fi-fi-fi-fi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thiol-a' is just just just th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I's, th. th. th. th. th. th. I's, th. I's, th. I's, f. I's, fu. I's, fu. I's f. I's f. I's f. I's f. I's f. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. theee. th. theee. th. the. th. the. th. the. th. th. th. th., sounds like the Muppet. This is like the people, this is the only people I used to go to uni with, which are fine, right, but they like go on eBay and buy all kinds of like weird World War II memorabilia. That's what happens when you get an extremely high paying patron, yet you still have the emotional age of a 19 year old. Hmm. Mr. Peterson stresses the importance of cleanliness, but honestly, his office is a mess. For the Skype call, he wears a sharp blazer and button down, but he sits shoeless and cross-legged.

He knows where the frame cuts off. So good. The caller, Trevor Alexander Nesta is a young white man. I'm shocked. Be at it, unemployed at a friend's house. He later posted the audio on his own Patreon. I'm really hoping somebody's going to recognize my talent, Mr Nesta said. My goodness, my goodness. Anyway, folks, yeah, if you were thinking about picking up Jordan Peterson's new book, Don't and just send the money to

us instead. It'll make more sense. Pick it up but don't pay for it just walk out of the store as soon as the alarm start going off it. Start running you're gonna want to run at that point. I would... that's the crime pass. I would highly highly recommend to everyone to listen to... Well at this time it's the most recent episode of I don't even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even to to to to to to to to the to the to the to the to the the the to their. to to their. to to to to to to to to their. I to to their. their. I to to to to to to to to their. I'll. I'll. I'll their. I'll their. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. the the the the the the the the th. th. th. try. try. try. try. tod. to. to. try. to. to. to. to. to. try. to. to. I'll. the. the. I'll. t. to, I think it's like, well at this time it's the most recent episode of I don't even own a television, but the episode they did on 12 Rules for Life is fucking fantastic. It's like they give a very, very good cross-section of what the book actually is, pull out some very, very, very choice quotes about this man tells stories about himself and which he has greatly embarrassed himself and doesn't realize.

It's great. Check it out. Listen to it. All right folks. And on that note, we'll see you next week. Or if you sign up for the old bonus episodes, you'll see you halfway through the week. Bye-bye. And bye.