Boonta Vista - EPISODE 60: A Day Late And A Butt Short

Episode Date: August 13, 2018

Andrew, Lucy and Theo are checking in on the many Emma Husar scandals and Barnaby Joyce's inability to shut up. Plus relationship advice with Paging Dr. Lucy! Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Merchandise now available: boontavista.com/merchandise _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Bente Vista episode 60. It's a nice round number isn't it? We're getting old. We're getting old. Really pushing past it now. We're past swingers parties and we're... I don't think we're even having sex anymore. We're getting into a retiree age. Hmm. We're getting into a retiree age. I am Andrew and I'm here with Theo. Hey, you doing, Theo. Good. That's good to me. And of course, Lucy.

Good day. How are you, Lucy? I'm good. How's your bumhole, Andrew? Well, listeners of the show, keen-eared listeners will note that we are a day late on this episode or maybe within, I think we're going to get it out within the same day. I'm going to put it out the same day. Wow. Also, just like if you're there on a Monday and you're going, oh, this isn't out. Maybe lower your expectations because we're extremely lazy and not very intelligent.

Hey, that's right. We got a pretty good track record. We do have a great track. Well, maybe that's the problem. Maybe we've held the standard too high. And then if we're 12 hours late, come knocking at the door. People start getting on a case. But yes, we've knocked about a bit this week because one of my children played

with somebody else's vomiting child and then came home and then she turned into a vomiting child and then made me sick. I did my own kind of vomiting but not out of my mouth. The butthole vomiting. Yeah, which, which like, look, I'm gonna be real with you. I was. I was, I mouth. The but-hole vomiting. Yeah which which like look I'm gonna be real with you I was pretty happy about it. Let me explain let me explain. As with all things in life you got to have a little bit of perspective right. So Maeve our youngest one got very sick on Tuesday 9th and came into our bed in the night and went back to sleep and then she started going, like she was having a bad dream and then

she started projectile vomiting everywhere in the bed, which is cool. And then she did that until like 6 a.m. which ruled. And then our other child came in as she finally like stopped being sick and our other child like came into the room just as she stopped being sick because the sun was up now and she was like, I'm awake. And I said, I'm not going to work today. And then the next night I came home from work, put the kids to bed and then I went, huh, I feel funny. And I ran to the to to the toilet with with with with with with with with with the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the feel funny and I ran to the toilet with a mad case of goose

ass but like I said like overall I would far rather be struck with just a whole bunch of liquid butt than a whole lot of vomiting. Same. vomiting is far more traumatic to that very rarely vomit. Yeah and like when it's that gastro kind of thing you know it's just going to be happening for hours. Mmm, it's bad. Like, yeah, just every half and you'll feel all right for a while and then you'll just get that wave and go, oh no, this again. Whereas, yeah, it was more like just every 20 minutes I just had to to the toilet and fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire and fire fire fire and fire fire fire and fire fire and fire fire fire fire and fire fire and fire fire fire and fire fire fire fire and fire. And to the to to to to to to to trot over to the toilet and fire off another round but but yeah I did find myself thinking you know what it could be way worse could be way worse that's right folks have some perspective about

you all this is positive mental attitude and that's the butthoo report yeah that is the buttho whole report so that's why well I was thinking we should call this one a day late in the butt short. Do it. So that's why we're all a bit disorganized this week folks. But, you know, we're here to catch it up or catch ourselves up. What's been going on out there in the world, the world of small Australia. Let's do it.

Last week, you will recall that we rattled on for quite a while about Labour MP Emma Hoosar and her many, many, many allegations of improper behavior in the workplace. So that sort of unleashed this whole thing of labor supporters being extremely weird about it online and basically accusing BuzzFeeds Alex, Alice Workman of like attempted murder. Is that kind of vibe? Or being a, like a wannabe Murdoch was one I saw being thrown around. It's like, have you ever read Buzzfeed in your life? They were calling it like a Murdoch was one I saw of being thrown around. It's like, have you ever read BuzzFeed in your life? They were calling it like a Murdoch Shill.

So, so weird. And like, that particular like, boomer meltdown where they'll just, they'll have an image that someone's put text on. And they'll, I'm sure they don't know how to make them themselves right, but that image that they, that someone's written text on Alice Workman in like red or something, that's just then what they post to Twitter, like 400 times to anything that ever comes up, they'll just be like, well, I've got the exact thing for this. It's on my my my the on, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've the exact, I've the exact, I've the exact, I've the exact, I've the exact, I've the exact, I've, I've their, I've their, I've their, I've their, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I's, I's, I's their, I's, I's, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's th. Well, I's th. Well, I's th. Well, I's their. I's their. th. their, I've th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's that's th. the. that's the. the. the. that's thing for this. It's on my desktop in a folder next to the folder of all of my photos of my nieces and nephews. It's the insane meme pile. Yeah, it was a pretty unhinged reaction basically. If you're not Australian, if you haven't delved into Australian Twitter, you might not be familiar with the phrase

Twitter brokens. It's problematic to say that, Andrew. Yeah, apparently. But it generally refers to people who have just flown off the handle about something Australian politics related so hard, their minds have become shattered. And it seemed like a pretty big resurgence of that over the week with all this surges. So yeah, the accusations were flying thick and fast that, that, you know, Alice Workman never should have published this stuff because it hadn't been, because the investigation into it wasn't complete and it hadn't been established as facts, which kind of makes you go, oh, so journalists should just not report on anything that's an accusation? Oh so I love the concept that in our particular like political landscape

these days there is an investigation and then we get the facts at the end? Yeah. Instead of them just going like oh no that's that's done now. Yeah we're on to the next thing. Here's a result. Yeah, I was calling some guy an idiot online and was saying to him, he was like, oh, until the investigation's finished and, you know, facts have been established, it's all just here saying it's complete non-news. And I was like, are you telling me that if the Prime Minister had been arrested and charged with murder that we should all be like, well he's it's the

investigation's underway. Please don't print anything about it. You fucking idiot. So yeah it all it all got very loose, very crazy and the results of that investigation were released. um I think it's safe to say that that results of that investigation, that internal investigation were released, I think it's safe to say that A, nobody would have known about the investigation and B, nobody would have seen the results of the report were it not for the public scrutiny that had come about as a result of Alice's reporting. And the results came in and they said that the, like a bunch of the accusations that related to basically like

sexual or sexual conduct, sexual harassment and there was one particularly colourful accusation which was essentially the the Sharon Stone basic instinct scene where they were accusing her of deliberately showing a colleague that she was not wearing underwear on her dress repeatedly in front of his son. Yeah so so basically the report came back and said that those things, they found that there were no grounds for those particular accusations. They were without merit, which prompted all of these labor supporters to say, Ha, innocent, completely exonerated while they conveniently ignored the other half of the 40-something accusations, where they said, oh yeah, all of these are completely within

merit, completely with merit, and we agree with the version of events supplied by the staff, in which she improperly used her staff and blied and abused them. But everybody's kind of just ignored that half? I, to be honest, I did not realize, and maybe I'm a little bit out of touch, maybe I've made an echo chamber for myself. I did not realize that this certain subset of labor people were so factional. Oh yeah. Oh, they're wild.

It's very weird. Yeah, I think, um, yeah, like, I would really hope that as, as leftists, like, and let's not, let's not pretend that, you knowthat every rusted on labour supporter counts as a leftist because as has been proven by this particular example, these people are more than happy to look the other way over really shitty behavior and really shitty treatment of workers if it's you know sort of alliance with their own party's benefits. Because that's really the great irony, isn't it? That it's the party that's supposed to be founded on the idea of labor rights and workers' rights. And, you know, they've found very strong evidence to support like 20-something claims of making her staffers in her office like do babysitting and walk

her dog and pick up her dog shit and getting abused and getting yelled at and getting treated like shit and sworn out and all this sort of stuff and people just hand wavit away as like oh well she's a single mother like hmmm. All right. Yeah. hmm. All right. Yeah. Oh boy. And you know, I think it's really basic shit. If something is being leveled at like your team politically or whatever,

and if you can swap out the names of the people involved with the people from the other team that you despise and say to yourself, now what would I like to see happen to this person in this circumstance? If you can really honestly say to yourself, oh yeah, I would be totally fine. If, you know, we found out that there were like 22 substantiated claims of Scott Morrison

abusing the shit out of his th we would be like ah well he's under a lot of pressure yeah and the answer is no of course your brain is broken you're gone gone buck wild your brains are broken BROE K and broken that's the way to spell it the the way to spell it mm-hmm and there was the whole other weird thing as well with all of that that which is the um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to spell it. And there was the whole other weird thing as well with all of that which was all of the sort of accusations from people that like Alice Workman had either you know very stupidly been like that she'd basically run a whole bunch of unsubstantiated rumors that she'd just been fed this stuff and had gone, Boo, I'm not gonna check into any of this, and I'm just gonna print it, thus serving the insidious agenda of either,

you know, the Murdoch media, the mainstream media, and the reality of course being that she's, like, a very professional journalist, she's been the one actually breaking like all of the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, I I I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi-a, I'm thre-a, thi-a, I'm not th-a, I'm not, I'm th-a, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm, I I'm, I'm, I I'm, I I'm, thu, thu, thu, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, threrea'' threa' thin, that that th journalist, she's been the one actually breaking like all of the major stories in Australian political media over the last year or two. The reality is she got fed this shit by people inside the Labour Party and people inside Emma Huza's office and she would have talked to a whole bunch of them and a whole bunch of them would have said yes it is real and it has merit and it's a real thing which kind of substantiates what we were saying on the episode last week which is

you know a very strong possibility is that it's grounded in fact that there is an investigation into her for workplace bullying and for abusing her staff and that that investigation has been deliberately leaked to the media by her factional enemies within the Labour Party. And it very much sounds like that's exactly what happened. The weird thing is that the people who are so angry at Alice Workman don't seem to be asking themselves the question at any point, oh is it actually people within the party that I'm bending over backwards to defend that have done all of this to this woman. And also she's done it to herself by being a fucking terrible boss. So, you know, it's a lot easier to not get ummed out of your job after investigations investigations the in investigations the in investigations thiiiiii investigations thi investigations thi investigations th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I thi. I thi. I'm, thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. And, thi. And, you know, it's a lot easier to not get drummed out of your job after

investigations that you've bullied people if you don't actually bully the shit out of your stuff. It's really, you know? That's right. So I think she jumped the gun on the whole thing by announcing that she was not going to contest her seat when it comes up to the next election. She's saying, oh, these people have already ruined my reputation. It's like, yeah, that's the kind of thing you do when you know how the report's going

to turn out. Hmm. So yeah, good stuff for her. Yeah, just retire and fuck off with your nice pension, I guess. What's your take, Lucy? Do you think that, um... You're trying to get a woman's take here? Yeah, yeah.

What's a... Give me a woman's take on abusing your stuff? Um, feel like you shouldn't do it. Hmm. Not a big fan myself, not a big supporter of it, so I think you should probably just fuck off. Just knock it off. Yeah, that was one of the things that like made me really uncomfortable when the accusations like first started like dripping out. One was one of the accusations was that like she had made one of her male staffers like do her dishes from you you know, her in lunch or whatever, and had told him, oh, do my dishes so that you can learn about male privilege.

And all these people were like, fucking yeah. Sly, queen. Sucket guy who had to do the dishes, you teach him about male privilege. And I was just like, oh boy. And I was just like, oh, I, I, I really hate. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, do the dishes you teach him about male privilege and I was just like oh boy oh boy I was just like I really hate the interpretation of equality that is how about we do the stuff that we hate when people do it to us yeah we need more women billions that's yeah more women prison guards yeah yeah I was like, that's not great. I put it to you that if you are, you know, working in some office and your job is to like, you know, be somebody's political staffer, that maybe you're not supposed to just be making them do your dishes and pick up your dog's shit. Probably not.

Uh, regardless of gender. Call me crazy. Mm. But yeah, what else has been going on? Old Barnaby's back in the fucking news? Well, he doesn't like to stay away, does he? No. He's got his book out.

He's got his book. Uh, which, I don't know, do you guys know anything about the book? Mm-mm. I was reading some, some like, excerpts the other day. That, uh, he has a huge fixation on referring to white working class people all throughout the book. Oh, wow. Oh, boy. Yeah,. Like talks about, talks about like growing up and like working in like rural and remote areas and how the people who have it the worst are like the white people who live on there. Or he just he just says that and then just like doesn't mention

aboriginal people at all at any point Which is fine Refer refers to them as like Refers to like white people as his tribe and stuff. It's cool. Oh, really cool but um, yeah, there's a whole lot of like It's it's interesting actually that I can't remember the name of the journalist who was like oh no, it wasn't a journalist, it was um... Ah, fuck, what's his name?

The Labour MP who's all right, Mark something, mark something? Oh, you know, I know who you're talking about. Ah, uh, I'll be, I'll get back to you. Tim Watts. Tim Watts. Tim Watts. Oh, Tim-I-Ith- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I wasn't was- I wasn't was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was, I was- I was, I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I was- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I th- I thin- I th- I thin-I know-I know-I know-I know-I know- I know- I know- I know, I know, I know- I know, I know- I know, I know- I know, I know- I know, I know- I know- I know- I know- I know be I'll get back to Tim Tim what's Tim? Tim Watts. Tim Watts. Oh, I think it was Tim Winton then for a second. Okay. I think it was Tim Watts because he was doing the reading. Yeah and he said he said like oh Barnaby has said that this is like a policy book. So I want to check it out and see what the deal with the policy is because as he pointed out. You know Barnaby Joyce's big thing getting around these days is is is is is. Is th. Is th. Is th. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I tod. I tod. I tod. I today. I today. I today. I today. I today. I today. I'm tom. I today. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I tom. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I today. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm ti. I'm. I ti. I think. I think. I today. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I today. I see what the deal with the policy is. Because as he pointed out, you know, Barnaby Joyce's big thing getting around these days is talking about how much, you know, the government has failed people in rural areas and how they're just ignored and nobody does anything for him.

And he was like, well, number one, who's been running the country for six years? So you guys. And yeah, and he just talks constantly about like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. their. their. the country for six years to you guys and yeah and he just talks constantly about like how completely ignored by politicians that part of the country is and he's like I don't I don't get it though like has haven't Barnaby Joyce and the nationals been like representing these people the whole time and just doing fuck all for them and he's just complaining about that like the whole time and just doing fuck all for them. And he's just complaining about that. Like, there's just this bizarre disconnect between him talking about the complete lack of service

and caregiving to these people and also the fact that like the nationals are the ones that have, for the vast majority of that time, both been elected in power there and in power in government and have done fucking nothing for the vast majority of that time, both been elected in power there and in power in government and have done fucking nothing for them. It's like if you just like turn up the work and just browse Twitter or whatever on your phone all day, take like a two-hour lunch break, shit on work time, and then like look at your watch at like 4.15 p.m. and be like, nobody has done a fucking thing today. This is pathetic. It a tha. It tha. It thiii. It thi. It thi. It thi. It's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. like 4.15 p.m. and being like nobody has done a fucking thing today. This is pathetic. It's like literally your job. A bunch of

leaners around here. A bunch of leaners. Sorry and I forgot also have an affair with your stuffer. Yep. At some point during the day you've got to fit that in. Yeah and as if it was Tim Watts as Tim Watts is pointing out he also you know continually sort of laments the the lack of opportunities and educational opportunities and stuff for for people in rural areas but he said like you know basically his salute the only solutions that he offers in the book are to give higher rates of funding to private schools so that there is more choice and

competition. Oh I love choice and competition. It's beautiful isn't it? Yeah and he also like rags on public schools and stuff you're like... Oh boy. Yeah it talks about how like oh it's all good if you're, you know, going to St. Charles instead of bum-fuck nowhere state school and stuff. It's like, you do, do you know what you do for a living? Yeah, how much money you earn, the lifestyle that you lead? Yeah, all, and again, just this idea of like, oh hey if you think that like, if you think that schools are really shit and under-resourced in rural areas, imagine if there was someone that could do something about that. Imagine if you voted for more funding of public schools instead of less. Yeah, but if you, well didn't you hear though, if you give it to the private schools? A bit more choice. Well they can do more with it. Yeah that way parents can choose choose whether they want to send their kids to like a public

school or a private school that charges them $10,000 a year or a private school that charges them $15,000 a year. Ooh. That sounds nice. Does that private school that charges 15,000 a year also do fundraisers to build Like their infrastructure that they don't need like yacht sheds? Yeah, probably. Hmm.

Sounds cool. Yeah, so he basically just cannot stop himself from getting out in front of the media No, that sort of shit. Oh, yeah, and he did like, he did an interview for a, like a weekend magazine kind of thing where he was like, oh, you know, I knew my marriage was falling apart, so I just started boozing it up and hitting all the camera bars and hitting on all the ladies and... Fuck. And then I wanted, and then I wanted to kill myself. He was talking about his mental health suffering. Just go away. It's awful man. Like, yeah, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, I th suffering. Just go away. It's awful man.

Like, yeah, just this whole thing that he has of saying like, oh, I want everyone to respect my privacy. Wait, come back. Come back. But I'll also accept money to lay my assorted details out. Yeah, he was, he was talking to Hugh Rimmington from Channel 10, doing some interview with him and Rumson put a, like a photo up of him, you know, they were about to do their televised interview. Barnaby's sitting there holding his book and he'd like written a quote of what Barnaby had

just told him, which was, the proceeds of this book are going to me and he then asked him oh his money tight and he was like always oh money's always tight it's like the motherfucker I think he owns one of the biggest property portfolios of anybody in Parliament because he owns like cattle stations and all that sort of shit yeah and was a deputy prime minister he's been in cabinet firm. anybody in in Parliament because he owns like cattle stations and all that sort of shit Yeah, and was a deputy prime minister. He's been in cabinet for How long now? God damn ages There's a huge piece of shit making tons of money. He absolutely kind of stop himself from wanting to rake in more He's just like Tony Abbott, you know as as soon as the actual opportunity to like be

in power or the leader of the party or whatever is gone from him. All the pretense is gone. He's like, oh, I'm here to get paid. I need to fucking do anything for the country. Like Tony Abbott, he was out doing the rounds as well, telling us about how carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant. It's just an invisible trace gas. So there. It's naturally occurring. How can it be bad? Oh, it's so depressing. You can't argue with that logic, though, can you? Absolutely not. Why don't you fight his ideas with logic?

Just I don't know how the fuck he keeps like turning up on the news and shit. And of course, I mean, with Barnaby, to go back to him, the, uh, his quote of, um, the people going to Kmart don't care about climate change. Yes. And it's like, well, okay, that is not true, right? Because I think a lot of people going to Kmart are young and realize just how fucked they are. But also, regardless of whether people care about climate change. That's your fucking job. Your job is to care about climate change. Your job is to care about the budget and all climate change, and climate change, and climate change, and climate change, and th climate, and th climate, and th climate, and th climate, and th climate, and th climate, and th climate, and th climate, th climate, th climate, th climate, and th climate, th, th climate change, th climate change, th, thi, thi, thi thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi's your fucking job. Your job is to care about climate change. Your job is to care about the budget and all this sort of stuff.

Like people going to came up and don't care about the budget balancing, right? Like they don't care about marginal tax rates. They don't care about all this sort of stuff, right? Because that's not their job. That's your job. That's your job to do right by Australia whether or not you put your finger up to the air and find out which political, which way the political wind is blowing and just do that because people aren't across this stuff and they shouldn't be, right? Like people don't, if you're in this position and you know that this shit is going down and it's going to do horrible, horrible, horrible things to this, to this shit is going down and it's going to do horrible, horrible things to this

country right as far as climate change is concerned, you shouldn't have to go and do a polling Kmart as to whether we need to take action, right? Like you should have the balls and the brains to put this together and do something about it. It's such... Sounds a lot like leadership. Oh my God, it's so, it's so frustrating while like everybody under the age of 35 is just like fist in their mouth having a panic attack about how rapidly their continued existence on earth is just shrinking. And we just have to read these quotes every day. their continued in existence on earth is just shrinking. And we just have to read these quotes every day.

Well, it was a friend of the show, Pat Karana. He quote-tweeted that thing of like, people in Kmart don't care about the Paris climate accord. You know, like, quote tweeted that was like, people in Gippsland are having to deal with bushfires in August. Yeah we have one of the biggest droughts in Australian history going on as we fucking speak and this is what this is what Barnaby right the man who is supposed to be doing things for regional Australia who's complaining about how hard people in regional Australia have it. This is what he chooses to talk about. but but he spends the the the the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to toe toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to to to to to toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. to is what he chooses to talk about. Well, but he spends the other half of his time doing fucking tours around the middle

of the country talking about how bad the drought is. Yeah. And we need to like to divert water from other places and do things to support them and everything while also insisting that like, ah, we better crack open a few more coal-fired power plants. But, but I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I, but I th. th. that, but I that, but I that, but I that, but I mean, but I that, but I th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's that's thin, that's that's that's that's that thin, that's theeeeeeeean, thin, th. thin, th. th. th. power plants. But I mean this shit is the same as like this other stuff that we've spoken about like the plastic bag ban stuff it's like yeah people people just do what they're gonna do like yeah if you just give out plastic bags at the store people go and take them because you're giving them to them. That's right and you can't get plastic bags for free now at Colts, just in case anyone's

wondering just go Colts and you get free. Go to Coles, free, free plastic bags. Free. Free. Free. Free. But yeah, like, as we've said about all this different stuff, like that's the point of things like regulations and any kind of change, any kind of change, any kind of change where you're generally attempting to affect, like, some sort of societal change because you've determined that overall it's for the greater good to do this thing.

Like the whole point is to make it a bit more of a pain in the ass of people to do a thing. Yeah. Like, yeah, same with all sorts of stuff. Like, yeah, not being able to advertise cigarettes or only being able to get them from the counters in particular places. Like, yeah, you can't buy cigarettes from a lot of the places you used to. Generally speaking, if you just keep making certain things a little bit harder, you'll wind up with a whole bunch of people who just go, I kind of the fuck doing this thing anymore. And that's kind of the idea with the same shit about like, like, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that's, and that's kind of the idea with the same shit about like, yeah, you know, people will buy the cheapest possible thing.

What if we have some fucking plastic bag fan listeners? I feel like we definitely would, just numbers wise. They'll eventually choke when one of their plastic bags gets fanned around the room and lands directly on their head. Yeah, happens to the best of us. But the other half of this Andrew though is like this concept that like, we're not a direct democracy, right? Like the liberal party and the nationals are not one of those dip shit parties that like

have an app that you can sign on and send Bitcoin to vote on whether or not, you know, we should make fluoride illegal or whatever, you know, we should make, you know, fluoride illegal or whatever, right? They're not a- We should lower the age of consent, right? They're not a direct democracy party and neither should they. Because people, by and large, and not equipped with the knowledge to make decisions, right? Because they have their own jobs and their own lives. This is your job, right, this is your job to do to have their own jobs and their own lives. This is your job, right?

This is your job to do to make these decisions and to show guts about it. And like, yeah, whether or not the person in KMA believes in climate change or the person, you know, some racist in Melbourne is afraid of black people, right? That's not a thing you act on. The thing that you act on is statistics, right? And science, it's just horse shit. to to to to thi. thi shit. thi. thi. th. th. thi thi th. th thi th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi these these thi these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these decisions these decisions these decisions these decisions these decisions these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi theeeeeeeeeeeateate, theeeateeate, theeeeeeeeee thi thi thi thi th you act on. The thing that you act on is statistics, right, and science. It's just horse shit. Oh, Mr. Scientist over here. Yeah, yeah. Go back to union, and suddenly it's all math formulas and not having sex. Well, look, we've heard enough from the scientist over here. Yeah, oh, they're scientists, all these facts that... That's enough facts for this podcast.

We've heard enough from the scientist, now I'd like to hear from a doctor. Yes. Hey, nice. That's right, folks. You know what it's time for, Paging Dr. Lucy. Sounds like, sounds like Theo if you ask me. It doesn't sound like me at all. I think that was pre-recording. Friends of the Show, we'll get that one.

Anyway, Paging Dr. Lucy is our segment in which we get Lucy's help, evaluating the chances of a continuing relationship between people who have written into Reddit's relationships. We get everyone's help, but my advice is the most important one because I am a woman. That's true. And I'm always right, just like, oh, your ex-wives. That's right. Mm-hmm. So let's see, I've been, I've been perusing several things.

Ooh, all right. I haven't checked out in ages. Give me one. No, I was having a skim today. Here's one for you folks. I, 20 female, forgot to disconnect my phone from the car's Bluetooth during a conversation with my boyfriend, 21-year-old male. As always, if you got 20 at the start, it's

going to be good. Get out of there, jump him. Yeah. Or her, whichever one. A few days ago, I went out with a group of friends for dinner. The day before, my boyfriend agreed to go, but on the day of he couldn't make it in time, which was fine. After dinner we decided to drive to this place where you could see the stars. All right. I've never seen stars before. This place where you could see the stars and one of his friends called him to ask if he wanted to come with us. He said no and his friend then asked me to call him and convince him to go. I did and he immediately got angry with me and told me to fuck off. There was a long silence and then he hung up. the their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thumbled. thumbled. thumbled. He was a thumbled. He was a th. He was a th. He was th. He was th. He was told. He was told. He was told. He was a told. He was told. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He was t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t today. He was to. He was to. He was today. He didn't realize that my phone was connected to the car speakers by Bluetooth and that everyone had heard what he said. Wow.

I like that the Bluetooth is a pivotal part of this story, not the fact that he just told his girlfriend to fuck off. Well yes, isn't technology the real enemy? When I told him this the day after, he became angry and borderline violent because it made him look bad. Good grief. I can understand his anger. Oh, honey.

I can understand his anger, but a few years ago I was in Mexico with a friend and got super drunk. I called him and was an emotional wreck and we ended up fighting. I later learned that he was in a group call with his friends at the time and he had intentionally put our conversation on speaker because he thought it would be funny. What the fuck, dude? Are you dating associate path or a 20 year old guy? This probably doesn't justify my actions and I didn't want to bring this up because it would probably further anger him. Was I wrong in this situation? Oh my god honey, you got th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thirty, thirty thirty th. thi thi thi thi th. heat heat heat- heat- heat- heat- heat- heat- heat- heat- heat- heat heat heat heat he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he th. He th. He thi thi thi thi thi thin thin thronge thronge thronge thunk thunk thunk thunk heat he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he to bring this up because it would probably further anger him. Was I wrong in this situation? Oh my god, honey, you gotta get out of there.

What can I do to make it right? Fokin' the mother's sleep. Oh my god, if you've listened to this show before, folks, you will know that a hallmark of this type of letter is somebody explaining the absolutely psychotic boyfriend's fucking horrifying behavior and then signing off with, am I being unreasonable in asking my boyfriend not to murder me? Was I wrong? Jesus Christ. He asked him to hang out with you and he screamed at you to fuck off and also he thinks that you being extremely upset is funny and then plays that to his friends.

I love how the story is not just I'd ask my boyfriend to hang out and he told me to fuck off. Like I feel like that's your first, your first issue sweetie. Well it's I just like that she's like oh yeah but you know if we flip the situation around from a thing that happened a few years ago, he was also the huge piece of shit in that situation. Yeah, it's like there's the how is this guy so awful on both sides of that? So what's your take, Lizzie? What do you think she should do? You cannot dump him fast enough. Dumping's not enough. I feel like you need to just maybe not kill him just like maim him a little hmm oh you could do one of those like um like handcuff him to a radiator in his sleep kind of thing yeah you get out of

there nice and yeah and he's either crime yeah completely victimless crime yeah completely victimless crime oh good good oh goodness very good good. Everybody's the worst. I love it. Oh, no, okay and we've got another one of our signature types of letters here. So the first one is, as we just discussed, nice lady horrible man. Very obvious answer to the question. This one is the other way around. Yes. Not that this is the only gender or relationship dynamic folks, but this one is the other one which is young man who doesn't understand what's happening even though it's very obvious. How do I, 26 year old male, live without true?

Sorry I had that. That Leanne rhymes. I don't know. I don't even know what you were gone for. I think that's coyote, ugly. Connard? Oh, okay. No, no, I think you're right.

Which one was Coyad? The one when the chicks dance on the bar. Yeah. I I I I I I I I I I the one with the chicks dance on the bar. Yeah. I was reading some wild trivia about that song the other day, which is that they wound up having like two copies of the like the same song released on the same day. What? Here we go. It was originally performed by Leanne Rimes, and the extended version of the song was later featured on her second studio album, was also performed by Trisha Yearwood,

and Yewood version was used in the soundtrack of the film Conair. Both versions were released on May 27, 1997. That's bizarre. Yeah, no, no, I remember the Trishie Yard one and the Leanne Rimes one simultaneously, but I've never stopped to put those together. But how weird is that though? Releasing them both at the same time. Yeah.

Anyway, so this guy, this guy's love and life, here we go. How do I, 26-year-old male, interpret my girlfriend, 26 year old female, of 2.5 years wanting to quote, take a break from our relationship? Oh, honey. Baby. I love these ones that like get worse sentence by sense. I'll try to keep it short. We've been dating for a total of 2.5 years. We recently started a long

distance relationship. We expected to be apart for two years. She flew to visit me this weekend and while we had a fun time at the end of the weekend she suddenly, emphasis, broke up with me slash wants to take a break from the relationship. Her main reason is that she is quite uncertain about if I am the one and end quote and that it wouldn't make sense to keep dating for another two years with this uncertainty. She says she loves me and that I am her best friend. Well that's nice you got that going for you at least. Who doesn't love having a friend? It just seems that she doesn't You got that going for you at least. Who doesn't love having a friend.

It just seems that she doesn't feel like it was the right relationship. That there was nothing concrete that led to the break up. How do I interpret taking a break? Do I keep in contact with her? Should I stop contact? Oh, you absolutely should hop in your car and drive to her. Yes. That's what you want to start a window with a boombox. I, uh, how do I interpret taking a break? Do I keep in contact with her? Should I stop contact?

I feel lost since she was my best friend as well. We had a good relationship for so long. Too long didn't read, my best friend and partner wants to take to to to to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take to take that our relationship is the one. Isn't it a funny coincidence that right as they started, they were fine for two and a half years and now they're living in different places? She's suddenly very unsure about whether it's a great relationship. It's a funny coincidence. It is a funny coincidence. I love the extremely dispassionate way he describes his relationship. I can't blame her for not

thinking he's the one. We are pals. We are body. We are great buds. We hi-five every night. Go to the ball game. Mm-hmm. Oh, rough, rough first answer, and probably very accurate. Obitur dicta, the good name, says your girlfriend wants to look around for other options, but if she doesn't find anything better, she wants you around to fall back on. That is 100% correct. That is very accurate. You got it. Got it in one. With the reply or she's interested in a guy and wants to test him out. Yeah. Oh god I love it they're just

actively ruining his life. Just absolutely nailing it. You should really just kill yourself at this point. 541 up votes. All these are so rough man, all these are so rough. Dragon My Feet says, break his code for breakup. And hilarious in hindsight says it means she wants to go dick shopping for a while. Dick shopping. Oh goodness. Oh god damn. I mean they're not completely wrong. Oh, the only practical advice here is from team Marsh who says, ask her, don't assume, a while idea, find out exactly what she means by take a break. This is for a set amount of time.

Are you too free to see others? Uh, I'm sure. Yes, we're free to see others. Oh, goodness. And we're going to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to see others. And we're going to talk in about three months. What the fuck? Wow, that's some extreme backup. That's an extreme break. I love how... Oh, you go. I don't know if she I don't know if she is keeping him as backup because really it just sounds to me like she is done and she's being as nice as she can about it. Yeah, it sounds like it. Why would you be like, let's have a fucking break for three months?

Like, oh God. Yeah, and like, please, please, listeners, contact the show and let us know if you or anyone in your life has ever taken a break from the relationship when they were in their early 20s and then just come back around to it three months later and be like, oh, oh, oh, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. a break from the relationship when they were in their early 20s and then just come back around to it three months later and be like, oh, yeah, we're good. You're the one. That's it, that's you. Yep, I didn't sleep with anyone or... Yeah. Unpause, and away we go.

My goodness. I love how so many of these are just explaining basic adult relationships to people. Like, why don't you ask her what she means by that? I feel like these people are just having these relationships where they're like just not communicating on any kind of normal level? Yeah, pretty much. Like a lot of them are... I mean, I definitely appreciate the ones, I definitely appreciate the ones where like, I don't know, people are essentially saying,

I know what the deal is, I just need to hear it from someone else. Yeah. Because, you know, the reality is that's just what it is when you're in a spot and you talk to people about it. You just talk to people about it and a lot of the time I've certainly found for myself in the past that when it has come to situations like, you know, significant breakups or, you know, like thinking about breaking it off with somebody, or even just stuff like quitting jobs and any thing that's bound to be a big deal. I basically wound up having the same conversation with half a dozen people because you're

just using people as a sounding board. You just want them to be like, yeah, you're right. Your boyfriend is a fucking piece of shit and you should dump him. Yeah, you need to get the fuck out of that. Here's a classic case of exactly that type of thing. Not sure if I, 26-a tw a 26, 26 to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the girl thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiole thoome thoomorrow thoomorrow thiolk, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thii thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioliolioliolioli thi thi that type of thing. Not sure if I, 26 year old male, want to commit to my girlfriend, 26 year old female, of four and a half years. Does this get any better than the title?

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She's pretty good. I don't dislike her. However, I think I want to be single. Yeah, you want to be single. Yeah. We are in a good place, argue a bit, stable, sex life has dropped off a bit. I think the relationship is kind of stale. I think I want to be single but not sure if that's just some fear of commitment or the grass is always greener mentality but can't have that discussion because it would

absolutely cripple my girlfriend and make her upset. Well this sounds like a very... Being a bit arrogant here I think. Very emotionally open relationship here. If someone asked if I was ready to get married, I'd say hell no, which I think is probably a bad sign and indicative we shouldn't buy a house. Oh my goodness. No, he's right. He's technically right. It's just weird that he has to say it out loud. It's bizarre. Equally, the thought of having the breakup conversation, the horrible period afterwards, and the damage it would do to her self-esteem, insecurities and anxieties, seems like too much of a

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you know dancing right up to the edge of it of the idea of breaking up or whatever and then going oh no this is going to suck. No we're fine we're fine. Yeah it's a bad. It's absolutely a bandaid situation. Yeah people that stay in a relationship for like years that they're not into because they're like, well it's better than having a breakup. That's it. Just tear it off and get the fuck out. Don't get it. I always fucking break up on a whim and then when I realize I didn't want to do it I'm like, well I've done it. Can't go back now. Too late now. It's too late. Oh, what th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi. that thi. that that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Well, th. th. Well, th. Well, th. th. Well, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. theeea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. Oh dear. Oh boy. What do you think, Theo, should he commit to this young lady? Well, look, it's either that or he just continues lying to her for years, possibly decades, until they've got kids, I got a house, they're married.

Then when he's like 47, and he wakes up one morning, he walks out to the garage, looks in the bottom drawer, opens a little ornate box, it's got like a very nice little hinge on it, pulls out the gun, puts it in his mouth, thinks, does he want to pull the trigger, and then decides no, no, no, what I need to do is do it to do is go. Um, the that, um, the that. the the the th. th. th. that, that, that, thinks does he want to pull the trigger and then decides no, no what I need to do is go in and ruin all of our lives. No what do you what he thinks when he's got the gun in his mouth is do I want to pull the trigger? No I don't think I want to commit. That's a big commitment. Oh my god, absolutely stop what you're doing. Oh my God, yeah, I always, that was the thing that I always sort of thought to myself about stuff like breakups and shit like that.

Even just like, yeah, uncomfortable situations, adult conversations, all that kind of stuff. It's like, you really got, once again, it's just like, just like with your butt, you've got to have perspective. You got to say to yourself like, look, the next two hours are really going to suck, or I'm going to have like a bad day. A bad life. Yeah, you can either keep dating someone for weeks or months who's just really not setting your world on fire or you are actively unhappy with or you can stay in a job that you fucking hate every

day and all the sort of stuff or you can actually like look around and pull the trigger. And also I mean this is not a selfish thing right like the selfish thing would be staying together because she also deserves love. Right? Right? Like, she should thing would be staying together. Because she also deserves love. Yeah. Right? So she should go get a different boyfriend. How good do you think she would feel finding out about that? Well, yeah, and that's, I guess, the main point to make it, like you're saying, this guy is casting it as.

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just about doing like the absolute basics of life for your adult boyfriend. Yeah, like, they make me die inside. Oh, it's fucked up. Like, oh, I had a bad day and my boyfriend cooked me dinner. I'm like, that's a, that is a standard relationship. Just part of life. Yeah, it's just some post going on Twitter that's a standard relationship. Just part of it.

Yeah, it was just some post going around Twitter that was like, so I was like, oh, you really do have to be like, babying boys, like, laying out their clothes for them and reminding them that they haven't taken a shower in three days, and like, telling them that they've been on the Xbox of 20 hours and you're just like no you don't go to do that at all. You're just an an adult who is in a relationship with a fucking 15 year old. Yeah you can just date an older man. Yeah that's true. There's plenty of them out there too. Yeah and plus every Reddit thing that we have a look at that's like we're both 20 is just like oh oh oh oh th. th. th. th. Oh like oh like oh like oh like oh like oh like oh like oh th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. th. th. No. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. I th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. too. Yeah, and plus every every Reddit thing that we have a look at that's like we're both 20 is just like oh no. I know it's like oh. Both 19 year olds.

They'll be going to be together forever? Absolutely not. Of course you're not. Yeah. Yeah. I can give relationship advice now because I am not in the realm of the Volcels any longer. So I'm an expert. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Congratulations. I'm trying to try to see if I can find a letter from the old mail bag. Oh, we do have a relationship related letter. If we would like to, would like to take that. Yes, do it.

I believe it was from Sweet Sweet Wife of the Show, Archie, who says, question, in all capitals. Calm down, Archie. Cheers. Chill out. Question. How do you deal with people who want to avoid any kind of drama, heavy topics, playful bickering, etc. And just want a completely avoidant space. What do you do when those people, what do you do when those people are when somebody's acting in a way that looks like it could lead to harm, start ripping you apart because you have to use some stiff language to try and prevent a senseless death? Hmm. Because it ain't the first time I've experienced it, and it, and it, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, and it's thiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, stiff language to try and prevent a senseless death. Because it ain't the first time I've experienced it and it's infuriatingly bizarre every time.

Wait, what? I believe, I'm taking this as two parts basically. The first part I'm taking as just, yeah, people who just want to completely avoid any kind of conflict, the affor mentioned adult conversations. Oh yeah, I can't deal with that. Even playful bickering, all that sort of stuff. But also, yeah, I guess people who freak, it's certainly sounds like, um, Aki is talking about potentially a, like a work situation. People freaking out because you spoke to them firmly to stop something stupid from happening. Hmm. I'm a big sensitive baby, so...

Oh, you like to avoid all the conflict? I don't want to be yelled at in any sense. Do you do any of the yelling? Yes. 100%? No, I think in like relationship context, like bickering and stuff is normal and fine, but in the workplace I want nothing but heaping praise constantly. Bloody millennials. Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah that's fair. My thing with like conflict in the workplace is I'm really sorry I'm really tawn about this one

because on one hand I I think I'm pretty good at being able to have like pretty upfront conversations in like relationships and like in workplaces and stuff if you know if like if somebody if somebody wants to talk to me about something I've done wrong or you know something that could have gone differently or whatever I will just have that conversation directly and address the issue. Somebody is an adult. Well like yeah like yeah you know I don't, you know like, you know, like yeah, you know, you know, you know, you know, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, like, I, I, like, I, like, like, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, like, like, like, th, th, th th th th th th th th th thi th th th places, like th places, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, like, I, like, like, like, like, like, th, the the the the the thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi, the directly and address the issue. I don't... Somebody is an adult. Well, like, yeah, you know, you don't fuck around and go, oh, that wasn't me.

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Like if somebody's being a dick or if some people are either being rude or weirdly behaved or whatever in public. A lot of situations where like you know movies certainly teach you that you should be getting macho at that point and interjecting and tell them people to sit down and all that sort of shit a lot of that sort of stuff I just go oh no conflict for me please. What I'm going to do is look over here and that the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the. the. the. the. the the the. the theat. theat. the. the. the. the the the. the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theat to theat theat. theat. theat. theat. the. theat the. the. their their their their their the. and all that sort of shit, a lot of that sort of stuff I just go, ooh, no conflict for me, please. What I'm going to do is look over here and then leave. Look the other way. Oh yeah, me too.

What do you think, Thea? Oh, I'm a huge baby as well. You know, I mean, I'm not in charge of people. I used to be, uh, now I'm, I'm happy to not have to deal with that bullshit. So I just try it, um, keep my head low. Um, I don't know, man. I, I, I think everyone's, well, sorry. I, I, I think every, every sensitive person is sort of trying to find that, that, um, balance between being just totally tot tot tot tot tot tot to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I'm their, I'm their, I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm to, I'm the, I'm the, I'm thi, I'm thi, person is sort of trying to find that balance between being just totally avoidant and being able to put your opinions forward and all this sort of stuff without upsetting people, even if it's, even if they're difficult conversations and what have you. And I think like, I think it's, you know, it's a skill that people need to develop over time and there's people that are either too confrontational, they think that there's nothing, nothing to it to be confrontational and that's just how you work it out, and there's people that just void constantly. So I, so I, so I, so I, so I, so I, so I, so I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thii, thi, thi, thi,'s just how you work it out and there's people that just void constantly so I think but I don't know how you how you bring bring that skill out in people that don't that aren't

interested or don't or don't want to be you know able to have those tough conversations sensitively so I don't know that that sounds like therapy situation to me. I'll throw out the flip side to this as well, which is that, like, particularly in professional contexts, I try to be as mindful as possible of like other people, their feelings. I try to like engage and consult with people as much as possible because I Think that a big part of like Getting people to To sort of be receptive of the things that you're doing particularly if you're working directly with them or around them or whatever is Kind of having them feel having to be like invested and engaged in what you're doing and feel like they actually have a say in things and they listen to and all that sort of stuff.

All of those things generally really help grease the wheels. What I have a lot of trouble with is the type of person I feel like I encounter, you know, relatively regularly in professional life, which is people who, you know, are just kind of complain to change or they kind of, you know, they just want to complain about stuff, that, like, people who just have kind of critical outlooks on stuff without ever offering any kind of alternative or, you know, constructive feedback or anything. And I like, go out of my way to engage those people

and give them as many opportunities as possible to provide input because they complain about like, oh, nobody asked me what I thought. And then you spend all this time asking them what they want and what they think. And then they just got nothing to say. And so for me personally, I have this kind of threshold of trying to deal with people in that sort of way where I do my absolute best to give people all the chances in the world to give me feedback and to tell me what they want and what I can do for them and how I can

help them and all that sort of stuff. And if people just don't take any of those opportunities for like months in a row, at a certain point I just say, all right, I'm done asking this person now. Then you beat him up. You just fucking shit out of them. Right there in the office. Breaking chairs over their backs, all that kind of shit. Yeah, like, I guess just to bring that around to the idea of people who are completely sort of conflict avoidant,

is like I am really, really willing to work with people to get them like solutions that they want and to be respectful of things that people want. But if people will never take any of the opportunities like handed to them on a silver platter to tell you what they want and how they would like to be treated and how they would like to be dealt with at a certain point I think that person's kind of forfeiting the right to get mad. Well I think it's just very personal it's about you Lucy. No I think like I said thing thing thing over time and it goes for personal and professional relationships like you can you can make all your best efforts to treat people respectfully and and give them ways to get what they want but if they're not willing to like

come to the table with something you know it like some people think that even any kind of basic interaction is just some sort of conflict and at a certain point you just got to go well I've tried tried everything you're obviously not interested in just some sort of conflict. Yeah. And at a certain point, you just got to go, well, I've tried. Tried everything. You're obviously not interested in kind of maybe a little more interested in complaining than actually getting what you want. Who knows?

Mm-hmm. People are weird, though. Yeah, sure. Everyone is wrong except me. That's right. That'll probably just about do us for this week. Don't forget, folks. You can sign up on Patreon for an extra episode every week over on Patreon.com, forward slash Punta Vista. We're even starting to look at some other

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