Boonta Vista - EPISODE 70: Two Girls One Podcast (Featuring Eleanor Roberston)

Episode Date: October 21, 2018

Andrew and Ben FACE OFF with Lucy and special guest Eleanor Robertson in a Battle Of The Sexes! We're talking about the Government "accidentally" voting for a white supremacist slogan, Julian Assange getting kicked off the internet by his big brother and Australia's youngest conman who we all love. Find Eleanor on Twitter (https://twitter.com/marrowing/) or find many of her writings at http://eleanor.biz/ Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Merchandise now available: boontavista.com/merchandise *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Bonteavista episode 70. I'm struggling to come up with something. Oh come on Andrew, pressure. 70. Uh, oh, ooh. That's for time and age. Yeah? This podcast is now eligible for the and age. Yeah. This podcast is now eligible for the pension. Oh, finally.

Nice. Which is somehow different to what we're doing now, which is being supported by other people. Small payments from other people. Yeah. No, that sounds bad right. I'm Andrew and I'm here with Ben. Hello. Hey, hey, hey, hey. It's nice to see you with my ears after not seeing you last week. Hey! Yeah, I had to go to the worst place in the world, and that precludes me being able to do the podcast apparently.

You had to go to Disneyland? It's the happiest place on earth, although I can see why you're getting confused. I'd go to Sydney, which is where I believe you are. That's true. T. Ugh. Wow. It's, well, hold on a second. First, hello, Lucy. Hi Lucy.

Oh, hi. Hi, thu. Hey, dude. Hey, bro. the only times ever. We got two chicks on the podcast right now. Oh, see now it stops equal representation. Two chicks one podcast. It stops being progressive if you make a big deal out of it. If we'd said nothing about it and acted like it was normal, something we might have appeared good for once. I hope you boys have been saving up all your respect to give us.

Absolutely. I have the sense that I've not been your respect to give us. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'll tell you this since I've not been giving it to anyone. Yeah, that's exactly. You have to like disrespect women for a whole week before you're able to respect a woman properly. Yeah, I've had to be an absolute bore. I've had to be actively disrespectful all week long. Most of my personal and professional relationships are in jeopardy right now, but it's been worth it. It's been worth it because we are joined by Eleanor Robertson. Hello. Hi folks.

Hey. Thanks for having me on. Oh, you're very welcome. And this goes out specifically to the one person who complained to us on Twitter within the last week and said, hey, what happened like six months ago when you said you were going to have Eleanor Robertson on? I think they actually threatened to report you to the podcasting ombudsman. That's true.

That's true. Please don't. You have to report you. Although, as far as I understand, the ombudsman can only issue rulings, none, th of th of th of the thage, the thage, thage, thage, the, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, that that that that that that threateeean, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, ramifications. Oh thank God. Look if I were running a podcast I would absolutely fear the enforceable undertaking of the podcast umpire. You don't want those strikes against your record. Exactly. Now maybe you will know Elnor from her writings, perhaps you will know her from Twitter where she goes by the at Marrowing. Is that, know how we saying it? Excellent. A word that I made up the day that I joined Twitter and later discovered that it's a type of

blanket stitch, which is a lot less cool than I was going for. It sounds less bony than you want it to, doesn't it? Yes, absolutely. Less bone-related. Hmm. Well, anyway, it's been a long time coming and we are, we're stoked to have you here. We're stoked for the first time ever in the history of audio recordings to have two women at once speaking on a thing. In the history of podcasting. I mean, that's kind of overstating a little. It's the first time it's ever happened or it's not a murder podcast. Well, that's that might be accurate. What's yes. What's the deal with all those murder podcasts? What's going on there? People love a

murder podcast. They're big on it. Women love them. Oh women thing. All right so. Without being sexist I that it it it it it it it it it it it it it it. th it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th. It's th th. It right, so. Without being sexist, is it a woman thing? I had a friend of mine who happens to be a woman, by the way. She was sort of saying this to me in that like a, it's almost a mental preparedness thing of like, you know, men are at a much less risk of being murdered generally, or at least serial killer murdered, I don't really know, but you were saying that like, because that anxiety kind of informs a lot of her life. Mm-hmm. I had genuinely been wondering about this the other day, right? Because, and I had sort of been pondering a similar thing, which is, yeah,

if you are a woman, you tend to live much more in the shadow of a potential murder than a lot of guys. So is it just more, is it just more in your head? Is it preparedness? I don't know. If only we had some women on this podcast to tell us. I feel I feel quite conflicted about this true crime thing because on one hand I think it's completely depraved and should probably be banned. But then on the other hand I remember when the first season of cereal came out and I just went completely bonkers for it. I was like this is fascinating. I had known it's and now like five years later I'm like, this is fascinating. I've known it's innocent, I'm known it's innocent. And now like five years later, I'm like, maybe it'll be better if that had never happened.

Yeah, yeah, it's, well, like, the, it's very obvious that the, that there's been like a huge ripple effect from serial when you look at like the charts of, you know, news podcasts and stuff.'s just like ninety percent this person went missing on this day and this news bureau is going back through the story it's really obvious that there are just like not not just individuals but

how many different uh... how many different like newspapers and news bureaus and TV stations and stuff have all started up their own podcasts in the hope of also capturing that serial lightning in a bottle. I heard the other day that the ABC now has a true crime division. Jesus Christ. It's very strange to me. I mean, you could certainly take the tack if you wanted to, that, like, you know, if people are being murdered, then it's nice for them to, I guess, I don't know,

not be forgotten and for their story to actually be told, and for their, to potentially be some justice or whatever, but I also kind of think that's not what it is. No, it's definitely been done for super cynical reasons. Yeah, there's just something very voyeuristic to me about the whole thing. Yeah, I feel like most, most murders are actually extremely boring. Usually it's like two people live together and one of them is a complete psycho

and kills the other one. Yeah, it's like, well, do thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, to to to thi, to thi, to to to thi, to to to to to to to to to be to be to be thi, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat toooo. it's like, well, do we want to do a podcast about that? Not really, because it's really depressing. Do we want to do a podcast about someone who mysteriously disappeared? It's like all the people who watch cops because they're interested in like the justice system, you know? That's definitely why you'd watch cops. Yeah. Yeah. I remember how remember how many years ago. I used to always hang out with this dude and go to his house and he had Fox tell. He loved his fox. He loved, um, some somewhere in his top three of things that he loved was pint glasses of white wine from a cask, um, his bong and fox towel. He sounds great. He genuinely sounds great. A real keeper.

Yeah, and he would put on cops while I was high. I would always be like, no. No, yes. No. Cops is hilarious. Just the, the absolute. To me, that has always been like the epitome of the last thing in the world I want to see while I'm high is somebody having their fucking life

destroyed for having like half a gram of weed under the backseat of their car you know. Yeah, the hell. Oh, and you're on probation it's back to prison for you. I feel like at least the American versions of those sort of coercive state apparatus procedural reality shows, at least they have some kind of, they're quite dramatic. You know, there's like a guy driving a fucking, you know, a piece of stolen farm machinery down a freeway. You've got like, you know, a bag of, you know, synthetic designer weed under the thing and there's like helicopters and siren.

And he's throwing grenades out the back while he's going. But then all the Australian versions and like all the, you know, fucking highway patrol and the airport one where it's like, this suspicious Chinese ladies boarding some abalone it's wrong I love border security oh border security oh god I love it fucking insane like so good it gets government funding right is that yeah it is yeah it's just straight up propaganda yeah I just 100% percent they'll wait till they you know there's they there's gonna be one to this this where like someone is gonna be try to to the to their to their to the their to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I'm they. I'm they. they. their their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm. I'm their. I'm. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I... I. I........................................................................................... the.. the. the... the. the. the... the.. the.., there's going to be one episode. I'm 100% convinced of this where like, someone is going to be trying to immigrate into Australia with like five suitcases full of hentai.

And then you're like, sorry, sir, you have exceeded the maximum legal limit of hentai. Please deposit at least 75% of this material into the hentai bins provided. From memory you can only carry in 2.2 liters of hentai into Australia from another country. It's all going to be in clear containers as well. I was paranoid bringing in my hentai. Yeah. I bought some novelty hentide books in Japan. Oh, novelty. Oh, it's for a laugh. Oh, I did it to laugh at while I'm fully nude.

I just wanted to laugh at these anime girls that look suspiciously like children, you know? It's really normal stuff. Really noble stuff. But I did not declare it. Very glad they didn't catch me and put me on board of security. See I went one step further and I didn't buy any Huh, which I thought would really have just Stopped anything from happening re having hentai on my person as I was coming into the country Pay like hundreds of dollars in excess baggage fees because of your bizarre VHS obsession Well, I mean sure who amongst us multiple hundred dollar amount of money?

But at least, now I would have been equally as embarrassed if they'd gone through my bags. I'm so glad they didn't, because I had like four suitcases with me that I could only move one at a time of and was just like eyeing the dude waiting to see if he was going to wave me into the, we're going through your shit line or not, and I was like, oh, this is just, this is gonna be the worst day of my life if this happens. So you seem to be carrying six videotaped copies of Airbud. Now, what you've got to understand is I don't think the format superior, but let me show you. Let me show you. Oh dear. Folks, it's been, now look, I know it's normally a pretty silly week for Australia. Well, let's be real, a pretty silly country. When you get down to it, the nuts and bolts of it, pretty silly country.

But I would say even by our standards, it's been an extraordinarily stupid week in Australian politics and the old news, if you like to flap open the odd newspaper, you'd see some really dumb shit and I think the one that sort of took the cake this week was the Australian government voting in favor of a motion in the Senate to say it's okay to be white. Oh and also that they deplore the rise of the rise of anti-white racism in this country which as we all know is a real thing that's happening. Yes, very real thing. So, um, yeah, that was kind of one that just seemed like it came out of nowhere.

And as soon as it was happening, everybody stopped and went, wait, what? So we've known about this for a month, apparently. By we, I mean people that pay more attention to the news than I do, that this motion was put forward. But I think it was kind of ignored because lots of these like, the motions where it's just the Senate votes in support of a sentiment or whatever, there's a bunch of these like crackpot ones from the minor parties that no one cares about because they're never going to go through. And then all of a sudden this one very, very almost went through at a vote of 31 to 28,

which is kind of terrifying. Because the whole government voted in favor of it. So I have a timeline here from Kriki.com. the online news magazine you can have access to for only $6,000 a month. Whatever it is, it's too much. Whatever it is, it's too much. We support independent journalism. FYI, but also it's a lot of money. Yeah, but come on, man. Even when I used to like read it a lot years ago, I would always like look at the subscription thing and be like, really though? Really? It'll always be like, and we'll give you 16 box sets of ABC mini-series.

I'd be like, what if you don't give me the box sets? Don't you want a fantastic DVD box set of the law procedural drama shot in and around inner Sydney called like, Attorney Squad? If they offered me a very large box set of like every outtake from Gardening Australia, I'm in. Like every single time they had to redo a shot because now we know that fucking... What's his name? Uh, Costa? No, the other guy. Oh, the other guy, uh, Peter Condor. Oh, wait, no, no, I've got confused.

I've confused Gardening Australia in my head with the first thing. He's thinking Don Burke being a sex pest? Oh, come on. That was. That was channel 9. That was commercial TV. Yeah, no, you're right. There's nothing they could offer me that I would want. Peter Kandle's cool. He's a communist. Really. that's a tha cool. th. th. th. the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. He's the th. He's th. He's th. He's. Oh really? Yeah, he got, I think, arrested in Tasmania for protesting some kind of an environmental protest. What? That rules. Pity Condole. So, Kriki has for us an article entitled, Anatomy of a Fuck Up, which is pretty spot on. So they sort of go through the timeline here, which is September the 19th, Hansen puts the motion. Hanson gave notice of this motion a month ago and it was initially due to be voted on September 20th.

As a turnout, time expired before the Senate got to it, so it was held over until the next sitting day. The wording, quote, that the Senate acknowledges, A, the deplorable rise of anti-white racism and attacks on Western civilization and B, that it is okay to be white. Did not change in that time. It's just so meaningless. What does that mean? A movement for the Senate to acknowledge something? They do this shit all the time and it's so fucking dumb and I don't understand what the point of any of it is. I feel like that timeline starts far too late because to me step one in the timeline is The meme it's okay to be white is started on fortune. Yes. Yeah true True started on fortune. The ABC says like about a year ago, but I'm sure it's been gone for longer than that hasn't it? No, I don't fucking no. Surely Laura Luma's been a tha. tha. thi. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their th. their thi. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tm-s. that's that's th. th. th. than that, hasn't it? Nah, I don't know. Surely Laura Luma's been wearing a stupid fucking shirt and doing the okay hand-single thing for longer than a year?

It's been a while. She is 600 years old after all, so... That's true. Man, Laura, I always get, um... Who's the other one? Oh, me tet. You confused her with Lauren,'s the other one? This Laura Lone... Yeah, you confused her with Lauren Southern. I did, I did last time.

It was Lauren Southern, right, that wore the shirt when she came to Australia, not Laura Looma. Yeah, that's Laurence, some. Yes, but at the time, I think I, when we's the difference? Well, one of the, they're both like in their 20s, but one of them's Canadian and looks like she's 50. Mm, yeah. And that's- Laura Loma in her 20s. Yeah, she's like 25.

She looks. What? I don't like to bring up a lady's looks. You love to bring up a lady. Completely lying. I'm 100% lying. Laura Luma is 25 years old. Holy shit. I think 25. And look at what she's achieved. I'm looking right now, born in 1993. Fuck off. Um, that's like a, uh, Stephen Miller from the, from the Trump administration, who's 12.

He just, it just looks like absolute dog shit. Having bad thoughts make it come out of your face. It's true. It's true. Being extremely hateful. I want to pass a motion in the Senate. The Senate supports the right of people to be 12 years old. I don't think I'll ever do that.

Deplores the right, the raise of anti-12-year-old racism. I can see one demographic in the country that would get huge support from. Is it Caleb Bond? I was thinking 12-year-olds. Yeah. So do we want to talk a little bit about the 4chan thing? Well, so... Yeah. It's... So, yeah, yeah.

It's relatively straightforward, right? Like the idea is that it's something where it's meant to be like a rhetorical finger trap where people say it's okay to be white and then anyone that objects to it is therefore implicitly saying it's not okay to be white, but anyone that goes along with it is sort of acquiescing to this wink to the camera of saying, it's that, you know, whites are a persecuted minority, blah blah, reverse racism is real, whatever. It's meant to piss people off. That's what the whole point of it is. The funny thing is, when I was looking at this, so yeah, I was skimming an article in the ABC that was the origins the the thiiiiiiiiii-s thi-s-it-it-it-it-it-it-s-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-s-it-it-s, and saying th-it-s, thi-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-s, that's th-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th whole point of it is. The funny thing is, when I was looking at this, so yeah, I was skimming an article on the ABC

that was talking about the origins of it and saying exactly that, the creators predicted that leftist academics and journalists would understand the slogan's, white supremacist origins and recoil in horror, while others who are unaware of its origins would see that as the US and the reactions played out as they predicted.

The funny thing was I was thinking to myself about like how many, how many of the same people who would say, oh well the sentiment it's okay to be white. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, as one of the Australian senators said in response to this, oh well what's the opposite? That it's not okay to be white? I'm wondering how many of the same kinds of people who speak approvingly of the phrase it's okay to be white are also disapproving of the slogan Black Lives Matter? How many people... Probably a big cross over there. Yeah, that Venn

diagram's probably pretty circular. Yeah, it's clearly a circle, yep. Because hey if you say that the black lives matter, you say that nobody else's life matters. What about blue lives, huh? What about cops lives? Navi? From the film from the film Avatar. My God, I watched Avatar with Rupert about a month ago, and thought it would be fun for us to watch because it is so ridiculous, and I have this sort of memory of it being really fun to watch because it's so dumb. And then I put it on, and I was just like, this is the longest film I've ever watched in my life.

After like 45 minutes, I was like just skipping through it, getting to the bit where they fuck with their tails. One of the best parts of the movie. I believe the best part of the movie, definitely. Can I ask you one question? Did you rip massive bongs before watching the movie? I'm not really authorized to comment on that. I can't confirm or deny that, but I think you do you do have to be in a certain head space to think I'm going to force my lovely boyfriend to watch the film

avatar for fun. I watched it relatively recently after having like just a very large number of brownies and I had just the best time. Like I don't think I've ever had a better cinematic experience in my life. But everything in the movie glows, that's very nice. There's big flying lizards check. Yep, that's everything I need from a movie. Oh yeah, definitely. I also, I like the part, you know, the aliens have sex by connecting their weird sort of

ponytails together. But then also the way that they sort of form a connection with their giant flying lizards is through the same mechanism. And the weird horses as well, same deal. We're just expected to accept that. That's clearly a metaphor for the way the way the way the way the way that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the way that. That's clearly a metaphor for the way that like a lot of people love to fuck horses yes I agree. Yeah a lot of equestrian folk know that when you ride a horse the quickest way to form a bond with that horse is to have your thumb

up its ass the entire time that you're writing it. When you say equestrian folk. Yeah I mean people who are half-horse, yes. Okay, all right, just checking. My avatar experience was that I got insanely blasted. Yeah, I got insanely blasted in the car park of a shopping center. Hitting blunts in the car park. And then I went in and watched it in 3D. And, like, you got, you old, you old folks remember 3D? Remember for a little while there when they were like, oh, I mean it's like, oh, the TV's are gonna be 3D now, and every movie is gonna have two scenes in it where you go, oh, look at that. But, um, but Avatar was one of the only ones that they actually like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, in it where you go, oh, look at that. But Avatar was one of the only ones that they actually like recorded. Like yeah, it was shot on 3D.

It was done to be in 3D, unlike everything else. Yeah, like in post. Like, yeah, everything shot on two IMAX cameras, side by side, which is a fucking outrageous rig. And that's the only thing that I've seen 3D-wise when I was like, oh, I get it now. I get it now. There's one good thing I've ever seen in 3D was that the Herzog documentary shot in 3D,

Cave of Forgotten Dreams. There was all about the like 35,000 year old cave paintings in France, which is like the driest subject in the world to be like 3D. But it fucking worked, it kicked us, had a wonderful time. There's only one good 3D movie and it is Jackass 3D. Oh yeah, that's true. Because it utilized the medium in the correct way, which is to have dildos flying at your face. Firing massive dildos at your face out of a potato gun.

Yep. Can't argue with that. So anyway, back to all the racism. Sure. Oh, right. The racism. The blue lives matter. So October 15th, the motion was debated.

Any coalition senators claiming they were unclear on what kind of statement they were thololololedededededededededededededededededededed... the. the. thoed. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. toe. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the. the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. the the t.a. the te.a.a.a. te.a. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. was debated. Any coalition senators claiming they were unclear on what kind of statement they were endorsing clearly hadn't looked as closely as independent, Darren Hinch. Motherfucker, Darench, who said that it was part of Hansen's race to, quote, the bottom of the sewer with her former colleague, Fraser Ranning. Similarly, Green's leader Richard Dinahally pointed out the history of the it's okay to be white slogan within the white supremacist movement quote where both these clowns get most of their material from he said about handsome and anning. He's probably right. The coalition's contribution was for the debate was for liberal senator Anne Rustin to simply say,

the government condemns all forms of racism because all lives matter. You know what I'm saying? Hmm. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So. So. So. So. So. So. So, so. So, so. Yes. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th.'m saying? Hmm. Yeah. Sot the fuck up. Agreed. Further, footage of the division shows labor senators shouting, Really? Really? Really bold there, folks. It's pretty good. Party of the working people. Really? Oh, you guys kidding or what? The footage also shows confused government senators double-checking their voting advice. At one point a

female voice is heard responding, we're standing up for Western civilization. I think that was Lucy from the gallery. Hilarious. Yep. Good to know that Indigenous Affairs Minister Nigel Scullion voted for it. Oh, he fucking sucks, man. He sucks. He sucks. More like Nigel Scalian, because he's a total onion. God, dear.

Nice one, very nice one, Ben, I've had that. 10 o' to 10. I'm feeling pretty good. Thank you very much. All right, October 15th, after the vote, in the immediate aftermath, at 7.42 PM, Attorney General Christian Porter, tweeted that the vote was actually confirmation that the government deplores deploys racism. Matthias Korman was absent from the chamber and didn't participate in the vote, but also expressed his support for the motion, tweeting that the government, quote, deplores racism of any kind. Is that how he said it?

Probably. That's definitely how I said it. Yeah, that's not far off. That's actually pretty good. Thank you. Lucy Guguchi tweeted that she opposed white supremacy and black supremacy. Edgy. And so this is a great tweet.

She, this is a great tweet. I say no to white supremacy. I say no to black supremacy, but I say yes to human supremacy. We will dominate the galaxy. Yes, I feel like humans were already pretty supreme on this planet. To be honest, wringing the neck of a cat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Fuck you. Was that the next animal you figure in the food chain of like dominance on the planet? People then cats. Hardest, hardest to get around. I find this whole thing, um, it has confronted one of my sort of underlying beliefs that I hadn't really articulated it until myself, to myself until now, which is that Australia would probably actually be better run if we were run by Fortune than by the government. It's really made me question that. They definitely seem to have a better idea of what's going on.

Yeah, for sure. It's just... Well, I think... So, so we have the sort of fallout from this, which is... So here we have journalist Kieran Gilbert saying, some liberal senators that voted for the Hanson, it's okay to be white motion, tell me it was a debacle, surrounded by much confusion, and followed by a what the hell just happened moment.

There's still confusion within government ranks as to whether that was meant to be their position. And ABC's Patricia Carvelas says, on the okay, it's okay to be white, vote, a source tell tel the senators didn't know what each individual division is about at any time. They're dependent on advice and guidance from the minister in the chamber and whip, so the issue here is why the call was made and who made it. I contend that maybe the issue is actually why senators getting paid at least $200,000 a year are not even remotely interested in what they're actually voting for. Just don't know what's going on. As opposed to like, who is to, like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the minister is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th.. g. th. th. th. th. the thean. the the thean. thean. thean. thean. th. the th. they're actually voting for.

Hmm, just don't know what's going on. As opposed to like, who is the singular staffer who made the call as to what all of the senators and the government are going to vote on that day? I think, you know, it's a, you know, we all like to joke about Australian members of parliament and senators being, you know, just fucked flabby, pissy babies with a brain the size of a walnut who just walk around, you know, with their eyes shut, banging off the walls, that it is true. It is absolutely true. In the most literal sense, that is what they do and what they do, yes. It is extremely true.

So by the next morning, Christian Porter's office had issued a statement, pinning the blame for the whole thing on a staffer. And a rogue email, I believe. Here's the statement. It appears that of the very large number of motions of which my office's views are routinely sought, this one was not escalated to me because it was interpreted in my office as a motion opposing racism. The

associations of the language were not picked up. Had it been raised directly with me, those issues would have been identified. It's kind of interesting though that the issues weren't identified by any of the other senators who voted in favor for it. It's kind of th, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's thi, it, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th o one tho, th o one th o one th o one th o one th th th th th th th, th th th th, th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi o' theeoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes, thoes, thi, though that the issues weren't identified by any of the other senators who voted in favor for it. It's kind of a weird implication that like... Two sentences long. Like you can look at the entire bill, like less than the time it takes to fart. Well isn't it weird to be like, well, uh, my dumb staffer didn't understand what it meant, but if I had have seen it, I definitely,

definitely would have picked it up, which is really strange because both him and Matthias Corman, as previously mentioned, had tweeted in support of their own, of like the government's vote for the motion after the fact, when people are like, what the fuck is this? Both of them said, yeah, we hate racism. They didn't say, oh, my staffer has clearly put through a pro-white supremacy vote here. Although he thinks it reflects on him well, he's like, I only hire the biggest idiots that I can find.

You know, I just go down to the bus stop. And I find the guy, you know, scratching his balls through his dax. And, and I. And, and I.. And I. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, down to the bus stop and I find the guy, you know, scratching his balls through his dacks and I'm like, yep, get in, get in the office. Can you read? Yeah, it does about it. Get in there. Get in here, you're rascal. And, yeah, like, I was also pretty stunned by the idea that, you know, the fact that Christian Porter, Matthias Coleman and, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I, I, I'm like, that like, you know, the fact that Christian Porter,

Matthias Coleman, and I'm doing scare quotes, Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Got his ass. Thank you, thank you, Ben. The fact that like, all of them came out and said, yeah, that wasn't supposed to happen. And then they redid the vote the day after. Can we do the racism vote againthey redid the vote the day after. Can we do the racism vote again?

We got the racism vote wrong. They did it again. But the fact that they all came out and said, that wasn't meant to happen. I took that as being like pretty much as huge an admission of a fuck up as a liberal government is capable of in this era of like liberal politics. Because at the moment people can get caught, you know, breaching electoral laws, they can get caught misleading the house, they can get caught fucking their staffers and impregnating them.

They can get caught misusing hundreds of thousands of dollars of money and nothing will ever make the liberal say that is bad and shouldn't have happened. We will discipline somebody. But apparently this was bad enough for them to say that wasn't supposed to happen, which I thought was a pretty pretty damning from their point of view. But when you find yourself thinking the best defense that we can muster here is, well, we don't actually look at the stuff we're voting for, that's, that's not great as defenses go.

It's not a idea. I've had a really interesting there seems to be a sort of a split on the left in how to interpret this whole series of events. Like you know you sort of got a spectrum of people where down one end the spectrum it's like panic about real serious like panic about impending fascism and then down the other end you've got people who are like no no no no it's not fascism you know it's just a you know the liberal government is in fucking disarray like they don't know what they're doing blah blah blah blah. And I tend to think that it's like yes the government isn't complete disarray and they are completely incompetent but

that's due to the influence of the hard right like inside the party. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the influence of the hard right, like inside the party and also sort of in the electorate as well, or like what they perceive as their base, I guess. Absolutely. Yeah, I think the fact that there was even confusion within their own party about what their position was supposed to be speaks volumes because... From something from Pauline Hansen. Well, yeah, and this is the bed that they've made for themselves in the sense of what do we do about Pauline Hanson? Do we, do we disown her and her politics?

Do we reject everything that she says outright? I mean, we did in the 90s. We've really regressed. Well, well, or do they do what John Howard did in the 90s, which is adopt her shit and water it down ever so slightly so that you are. That's the real innovation here is what Howard did in just like taking on just enough of sort of hard right, fucking white supremacist fascism within the platform of the party so that they weren't actually alienating people who believed in it.

Yeah, you take on enough to dog whistle to the most racist people in your base who are rejecting you for one nation. Yeah, you know, like the Liberal Party is permanently standing in front of the big dial that says racism on it. Yeah, and sort of slowly turning it and looking back to see if they've turned the correct amount. Yeah, and that's the thing with them though. It's it's, you know, they always, I think the reason this was such a big fuck up for them is because the way the liberal party wants to do it is to do all the dog whistling racism while always having an insulating layer

of plausible deniability. Yeah. And shit that is like slogans that are on the t-shirts of known white nationalists and white supremacists who make their careers from fucking paroding these slogans, that's just a bridge too far. They went too far with it. You can't vote for shit that says deplorable and Western civilization in it, you know,

anti-white racism. And all that kind of jazz. But you know, it could always get more racist at least, and good news is that this week it did. Did it? Yep. More racist than that? A little more racist because if you remember, speaking of One Nation, there was Senator Fraser Anning who got elected, he got elected on the One Nation ticket and then almost immediately

defected from the party when he said, hey, that Pauline lady's crazy. She's bloody bonkers. Yeah, God, I love to fucking dial up a news website and click on your news story and the first sentence is, the Senate has killed off any prospect of a national vote on returning to the white Australia policy. Yep. It's like, on one hand, it's like, good.

It's like, maybe I'll just fly down in front of a train. Yep, so if you remember folks from a previous episode, the name of the episode was A Day at the Racists. And that was the one about Fraser Anning's Maiden speech to the Senate in which he called for a final solution on immigration. Classy, classy stuff. And then within the last week, Fraser Anning addressed a neo-Nazi rally at a libertarian conference. Oh yeah, that was great. So that was cool. And then after that, he moved a motion in the Senate saying that we should have a plebiscite on whether or not Australia wants to make a return to the white Australia policy, which says the people who immigrate to this country are only allowed to be white.

Interesting side note that the neo-Nazi rally that he went to, the Australian flat-out called it a neo-nazi rally and they never do that. They always hedged their wording with like, you know, white nationalist or ethno-far rights or whatever. Yeah, it's just like pro-Australia. Yeah. Protecting Australia. But they, this was the story broken by Rick Morton, so not one of the most horrible people there. But yeah, flat out neo-Nazi, use the words, which is great. That's good. A lot of how they manage to survive and do so well is that no one ever calls them for what they are, so that was kind of sick. Yeah I think they, the group actually build themselves as true blue crew. Oh boy, there it is. Great, great rhyming ming there. I feel like if, you know, 10 or 15 years ago, if you heard that there was a sort of Australian group called True Blue Crew,

you would immediately think that it's a group of, a sort of group of lads who have got themselves together to attend summer gnats as an organized contingent. It's guys that compare swags. Yeah, totally. Yeah. But no, instead it's just, it's just racist, it's just racism. Instead of being racist who also like cars, it's just racism. It's just the racism, not even cars. Ambivalent on the cars. Yeah, so the government really went from strength to strength this week with all that. That training wheels, Prime Minister Scott Morrison saying that he wanted to move the Australian embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

That was very funny. Which, which? So they've got like the Wedworth by-e That was very funny. That was very funny. Which? He's like, so they've got like the Wentworth by-election on very soon and the seat of Wentworth has a very high Jewish presence, has a very high Jewish population. And so he's clearly, you know, looked at a list, a sort of demographic breakdown of Wentworth and gone like, you know, just sitting there stroking his chin with his shark's cap on going, Jews, eh? Jews.

What are the Jews like? You know what Jews like? Zionism. I'm going to say something outrageously, you know, put forward some outrageously, you know, put forward some outrageously Zionist policy, and they're going to lap it up. And then after he did it, it came out to like something like 50% of the Jewish people in Wentworth were like, yeah, I don't really crash on that idea. Yeah, of course there is the other wrinkle to it that, you know, like when America has been pushing to do this or they have done it now. Vice President Mike Pence is like a super crazy evangelical and you know for

him that's one of those hey one step closer to the rapture kind of moves and Scott Morrison is also super super pentacostal yeah I feel like if there's a real opportunity for a deep dive if there are any people who are listening who are journalists and not just unemployed bucket-bong smokers to actually have a look at- Which is a perfectly fired lifestyle choice I would like to stress I'm having a great time legitimate career choice but it would be interesting to see if Scott Morrison's particular sort of flavor of insane charismatic Pentecostalism actually subscribes to that.

Like just do a bit of a deep dive on shy alive. Hmm. They're definitely, what's the, oh I can't remember the name of it now. The, um, the, uh, fuck. It's the kind of Pentecostal where like the, the more God likes you? Ah, yes, prosperity, the kind of Pentecostal where like the more money you make, the more God likes you? Ah yes, prosperity, prosperity theology. Prosperity doctrine. God wants you to be wealthy.

Yes. That's it. The richer you are, the better off you're doing in God's eyes. Beautiful stuff. That's the God we all know and love. But speaking of embassies, here's a story, here's a story that I saw this week that I really enjoyed that came out of the Ecuadorian Embassy. And we all know a fun little closet-dwelling albino from Australia who is living in the

Ecuadorian embassy's broom closet. I'm of course talking about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. And he has been told in a nine-page memo published by Ecuadorian website called Digo Vidrio. Oh boy. He is prohibited from quote interfering in the internal affairs of other states or from activities quote that could prejudice Ecuador's good relations with other states. Mr. Assange who was granted asylum in prejudice Ecuador's good relations with other states. Mr. Assange, who was granted asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London in 2012, was also told in the memo his pet cat would be confiscated and taken to an animal shelter if he did not

look after it. Lo, blow. That poor guy, I just feel terrible for that fucking cat. So it says in the thing, Ecuador has ordered Julian Assange to stick to a new set of house rules including avoiding contentious political issues, cleaning his bathroom and looking after his cat if he wants the internet reconnected. He's only allowed to play fortnight until he's, after he's folded all the laundry.

So good. I love that like that he's done this whole thing and he's just wound up being forced to be like Ecuador's teenage son, Ecuador's ungrateful teenage son. So good. Look if you want me to turn the router back on, do all your homework. Be nice to your mother. Be nice to him. What's a good name for his cat? folks. What would you call Julian Assange's cat? I feel like I'm really in two minds about this, where on one hand I sort of expect the name of his cat to be, you know, if you were like, sort of, the today,'re like what would like cat crazy 11 year old call that cat like

like you know miss miss kitty paws muffin darling fantastic but then on the other hand I'm like I think there's an equal chance that his cat is called something like you know Bitcoin Greg My two-year-old Maeve, friend of the show, my daughter Maeve. My good friend, my good friend Maeve. Yes, she has just started going to like a little daycare at somebody's house. She went to her first day today, and they have a Labrador, but they also have just acquired a kitten named Slinky. And Slinky is a good name for a kitten. That's a good name. That's a good name.

That's a great name. Well, you know, a kitten's going to flop around just like a Slinky. Oh dear. On Sunday, WikiLeaks said Mr. Assange would be reconnected to the internet, but it was not clear whether the move was contingent on him agreeing to Ecuador's conditions. I love the idea that they just fucking hate him and want him out of there. Yeah, imagine like... Just having this guy who has played a massive role in leaking footage of some of the, like,

these actual war crimes perpetrated by the US and the end result is you just being like, dude, we're, th, th, thu- thu, th, thu, th, th, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi- thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi----------------in thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi theeeeeateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateate, thi, thi, thi thi the like these actual war crimes perpetrated by the US and the end result is you just being like dude we're fucking doing it we're literally telling seven billion people that you've got to clean your fucking bathroom you gross fucking shit you've got a clean you got to pick up all your cat's been pissing through all the piles of dirty laundry that you leave around the place the whole wing of the embassy that you're in smells like ammonia. Everybody hates it. God damn.

God... Damn. No one likes Julian as such. But here's another little fun piece of news from this week that I enjoyed. And I thought I would share with you. And it was basically, you guys know how I love a con artist, right? Sure. Sure.

So here's this story from Adam Cooper in the age. How a 16-year-old boy came to be driving a fake emergency truck to accident scenes around Melbourne is as bizarre as the to be driving a fake emergency truck to accident scenes around Melbourne is as bizarre as the tale itself a court has heard. Not content to finish school before eyeing a policing career, the boy embarked on what investigators alleged as a serious chain of events that began with falsely reporting a burglary and ended with him speeding around the city's busiest roads in an emergency truck complete with red and blue flashing lights. Between those points, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the. thui thuiole. thu thu thu thoing ta ta taughing ta. ta. I ta. I is is ta. I emergency truck complete with red and blue flashing lights. Between those points, the boy allegedly defrauded an insurance company of more than $100,000,

duped a hire car firm, used the online identities of his father and other adults to falsify documents, and even created a corporate accountant who existed a name only all before his 17th birthday. This fucking badass. Yeah, honestly, this kid sounds like a mench. This kid rules. Quote, this type of behavior is breathtaking in its inception, execution. I don't think we've ever seen anything like this before,

a magistrate said in a Victorian children's court on Wednesday. The teenager who is now 17 and working at McDonald's, was sitting in court with his mother. He cannot be identified. He is alleged to have last year falsely reported a burglary to his mother's home and used a $39,000 insurance payout to buy camera gear, a drone and partly fund a white Asuzu truck that he later had converted into an emergency services vehicle. Oh, hell yeah. What the fuck?

His lawyer on Wednesday said the teenager actually stopped the vehicle at traffic accidents and dreamed of being a police first responder. This probably wasn't the right way to go about it, the lawyer said. I'm just imagining like the children's magistrate sitting there, you know, with their head hands hands th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thrown, throwne, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thin, thin, thr--s, thr-s, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, thr-a, throwne, and throwne, thr's magistrate sitting there, you know, with their head and hands going like, ah, fucking mate, look, why can't you just be like all the other little shit's I say in here? Why can't you just fucking steal eight boxes of fucking McNuggets from McDonald's? Just do a knife crime like a normal kid, you know? Just egg your math teacher's house, come on mate.

The teenager last year had a legitimate website design business but allegedly claimed it was a multinational corporation. He was the chief executive but in reality the sole employee. He also hired an office in Queens Road. Police alleged the last year he used his father's identity online to open an account with a hire car company and regularly drove cars despite being unlicensed. When his father learned of the account and had it closed, his son allegedly took on another man's online identity and opened another higher car account. Well he's, you know, he's got, he's got some stick-to-itiveness there.

He's resourceful. We're always trying to build resilience in children and yet this man is, this boy is, he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he, he he, he he, he's he, he's he, he's th. th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. He's, he's, he's, he. He. He, he, he, he. He, he, he. He, he. He. He, he. He, he. He. He. He. He. He. He, he, he, he. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's to to to to to to t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's t. He's ttoo. He's too. He's too. He's too. He's t. t. t. t. t. He's t. He's there. He's resourceful. We're always trying to build resilience in children and yet this man is this boy is punished. On another occasion the boy allegedly liaised with a trucking business under the name Alex Elliot who was purported to be the accountant for the website design company but who police say does not exist. Allegedly fraudulent documents allowed the boy to buy the truck and then have it fitted with red and blue flashing lights, and police accuse him of funding his plans through two other insurance payouts, related to false reports of burglaries at the office. So he's rented out an office, insured it, then made two fake insurance clothes. The police alleged that he told investigators he was in Camber during one of the break-ins and

and showed them false bank statements to support his alibi. Wow. This dude's fucking busy as shit. In August last year, soon after getting his learner's driving his learner's driving perman, he got the truck and October 15th last year, he is accused of driving the truck on Hoddle Street, Punt Road, St. Kilder Road, and Flinders Street, among others. On an AFL Grand Final Day last year, police say he sped at 121 kilometers per hour in the Burnley Tunnel. Oh my God! On another occasion, he allegedly ran a stoplight 29 seconds after it had

turned ret. The boy's 120 charges include reckless conduct endangering serious injury, attempting to obtain a financial advantage, making a false report, dealing with the proceeds of crime, theft, unlicensed driving and other traffic offenses. He is yet to enter a plea. I need to find this kid so I can start a drug-rotting business with him. Fock, yeah. It seems like that's, yeah. It's incredible. That's inevitably where he's going.

You know, quality of rack in Australia is absolutely in the toilet at the moment. Just abysmal. I think he's the man who could really fix this problem for us. Well it's funny because like I got sent this story by mother of the show, my mother, like a day after watching Catch Me If You Can, which I don't know if we were talking about it on a recent podcast or something. I feel like we did. And I just chucked it on on Netflix while I was doing something and I was like, yeah, Steven Spilberg, make that movie, better than Avatar.

And yeah, I was just, I was enjoying in that film the way Spielberg casts like the whole, the whole first half of the movie where he's just doing shit and getting away with it, with this like sense of wonder, you know? The whole thing's this very magical unfolding of events. None of it is cast as being bad. It's all like, isn't it amazing? This is happening and it's going so well. And then I saw the story and was like, the story, it's like, and was like, the story, the story, the story, the story, like, like, isn't it amazing this is happening and it's going so well. And then I saw the story and was like, yep, it's how it was all going for this 16 year old Australian kid, I guess?

But uh, aren't they always, you know, getting on kids these days to do, do startups and stuff? Yeah. I remember I watched an episode of, I think it was like the 7 30 report? A bunch a thir thi th a th a th a th a th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi' thi' th, th, th, th, th, thy thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii's thi, thi, thi, thi, on kids these days to do do startups and stuff. Yeah. I watched an episode of, I think it was like the 730 report, a bunch of months ago, and they intended it as this like quite uplifting story about how like teens at this high school are being encouraged to sort of pursue their startup dreams. And then this scene where they got all the these poor fucking kids, like divided them into groups of three and made them sort of come up with a pitch for a startup. And then they invited all these venture capitalists to come and, it was like a science fair but like horrendously late capitalist in tone, where they would all like walk around and the kids would like pitch their startups. And the voiceover was quite positive, was like, we're, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, their startups and the voiceover was quite positive was like we're you know developing young people's technological and

business skills for the future and the whole time I was just like this is death you're killing these children. So that kid's lawyer and police prosecutors both supported him being put on the court's diversion program which spares first time offenders a criminal record if they admit they're wrongdoing. The investigating police officer indicated he didn't support that outcome. Of course you didn't, you're fucking pig. And the magistrate questioned whether it was appropriate that the boy had the slate wiped clean given the serious allegation. He exploited loopholes, breached people's trust for his own gain and endangered lives on the road, the magistrate said, although we acknowledge the boy was now seeing a psychologist

and youth justice worker was working and had good prospects. He's going to do well at whatever he does. He is a highly productive young man. I have no doubt he will be a success. We just don't want it to be criminal. Let a player play, you know? Come on. Get off his case. There was one extra story from this week that I quite liked, which was from last night? Yeah, yesterday. So the assistant shadow minister for Indigenous Affairs, Pat Dodson, uh, yeah, told to the, yeah, to the the the the the assisting of to. A. to their to. to to to to to to to the to the to to to the the to the the to the the the the the the the the the. the the. the. to to to the to to the to the he, he, he, he, to the the to he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he he he he he he he he he he to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to their to to their to to their their their their their their shadow minister for Indigenous Affairs, Pat Dodson, wrote a letter to who Environment Minister, Melissa Price and the PM asking for an apology because he was having

dinner with Anote Tong, a former president of Kiribati, oh yes. And he was out to dinner with the former president of Kiribati. Oh yes. And he was out to dinner with the former president and Melissa Price came up to him. And according to Pat Dodson and also a very large number of witnesses now, what Melissa Price said to this man was, I know why you're here. It's for the cash. For the Pacific, it's always about the cash. I have my checkbook here. How much do you want? She said to Nobel Peace Prize nominee and...

She said this to a table of like five or six people, which included, I think, like a labor senator, someone from the coalition and like the president of the refugee council of Australia? Great stuff and all of them confirmed this version of events. She got up in... Is she a senator or an MP? It's house reps. She got up in the house reps? She got up in... Is she a senator or? An MP. House reps. She got up in the House reps and said,

I 150% note. She said, I 100% dispute this thing. It is completely wrong, which I think people have then noted leaves her absolutely no room to move on this thing. She can't say, well that's not how I remember the events or whatever. She is she has flatly disputed this thing that like, you know, a table full of people with very reasonable reputations of all said happen. So just another feather in the cap of the Australian government and when it comes to offending the shit out of

other countries. I saw this story earlier and immediately looked up Kiribati, a nation that I know absolutely nothing about until I saw the story. So it's like it's population 110,000 I think and it's basically about a dozen tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little islands and sort of reef atolls which if you look at them on the map. the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the map the the the the the the the the the the dozen tiny, tiny, tiny little islands and sort of reef atolls, which if you look at them on the map, they, like, if you drew a circle around them or like an oval, the size of the oval would be like the same size as Australia. But they're just these tiny, tiny little islands that are really, really far away from each other. Like, they're a former British colony. And she's like, oh, you just come here to get out the checkbook, have you? And so I'm like reading Wikipedia and find that actually two of the islands of

Kiribati disappeared underwater in 1999. Fucking. Wow. It's already happening, it's already happening for them and she's just like, fuck you, fucking island savages. How dare you? It's like, um, yeah, Peter Dutton, like when he got caught on that hot mic talking about, oh, you know, time doesn't mean as much when you got water lapping at your door, which, you know, you would think that that kind of jibes with the whole idea that the coalition doesn't believe in climate change.

But hey, well, what would we know? All right, folks, should we take some questions? Yeah. Get in there. Friend of the show, Single Paypayer Sonic M-Preg. Oh no. Asked how much should the curvy wife guy be awarded in damages? Sorry, someone's gonna have to explain to me. Did something happen to the curvy wife guy?

Is he suing? You guys don't know about the curvy wife thing? I mean, I know... There's a new development? Oh yeah, he's suing Babe magazine. He's suing, the Kirby Wife guy wrote this fucked, like, motivational book, just like, you know, like rip off Tim Ferris shit. Like, uh, if you're unsuccessful, instead of thinking bad thoughts, have you tried thinking good thoughts and being positive? So you wrote this book and it got reviewed by Babe.net in a review that you should all look th up up up up up th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th being positive. So you wrote this book and it got reviewed by Babe.net and Babe dotnet in a review that you should all look up because it's completely hilarious, compared him to the unit, he compared

his book to the Unabomber manifesto and said that the Unabomber came off quite well in comparison to this fucking year's book and so he decided he was like... Didn't they do that thing where they were like comparing passages and so pick which one you think it came from? Oh my god, that rules. So he's suing them obviously. Allegedly he's suing them but he like the sort of, Babe Don had posted a piece of communication that they received from him on their website. And he is basically just saying like, you people are simply, like, you, yeah, yeah, like, yeah, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, and, and, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and, pick, pick, pick, pick, and, pick, and, pick, pick, and, and, pick, and, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, they received from him on their website. And he is basically just saying like, you people are simply haters. I will not accept this negative energy into my life. It's like, wait, no, you're suing them.

You're the one who's taking them to court. Is that not pretty negative, my dude? It makes you the hater. Yeah. But he won't accept this. And so I believe actually all of his assets should be confiscated and distributed to Kirby wives everywhere. I agree. What even is his job? I don't I don't understand what him or the Kirby wife's job is apart from posting. It's just posting. I'm pretty sure it's just posting. You can make money from posting on Instagram. It's incredible. It is wild but it also. It's wild. It's th. And this. And this. I this th. I this is th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th th th th th th th th th th. I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. I th. I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi thi. I thi. I thi. I's just posting. I'm pretty sure it's just posting. You can make money from

posting on Instagram. It's incredible. It is wild, but it also seems like you, not on Twitter. Yeah, I like to put away you're constantly imperiling your job whenever you post. Yeah, it seems like for the for the Instagram thing though that you also have to like massively compromise your own identity and every aspect of your life in order to make some sums of money from the Instagram? Yeah. I would do that on Twitter. You didn't do myself a mental illness essentially to make money on Instagram. Every one of those articles that comes out from some young lady who's like, I had the perfect Instagram life, but it turns out it wasn't so perfect. Every one of those things makes me feel like I'm having a fucking stroke when they're all like, yeah, it looked like fun, but I would make my boyfriend take 6,000 pictures of me in a swimsuit

before I would post it or whatever. I saw a post them and I'm the Reddit, highly recommended by the way if you don't read it compulsively like I do, that was basically the boyfriend of an Instagram influencer was like having to take 600 photographs of my girlfriend where whenever we go anywhere is destroying my relationship. Now we have a recurring segment on the show called Paging Dr. Lucy in which Dr. Lucy gives advice to Reddit relationship posts. Yep, love it. Love it. We do love it. Being an Instagram boyfred would be horrible I gotta say. Why would you do it? My heart really went out to this poster. It just sounded like fucking hell. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Let me see here. Let me see here. Let me see here. Let me see here. Fred of the Show, Twitter user Duke Latham asks. Eleanor, which is more infuriating? The tampon tax, craft beer or difficult video games? The tampon tax for sure. Yeah, are they sure. The whole tampon tax for sure. Yep. Are they sure?

The whole tampon tax debate really, really fucking gets my dander up. It's gone now, isn't it? Didn't they do it? It's done? They did do it. They axed the tax. Yeah, and now I have fucking four dollars a year in my wallet that I didn't have before. Thanks. Thanks guys. Really appreciate it. It's really fixed. It's fixed all sexism. Sexism is over. Finally. Absolutely over. Does that mean we don't have to have two

women on the show anymore? Geez. We can afford our tampons now, you know? No, you have to have two tampons as guests on the show now. Oh, dear. Let's see see here, wife of the show, Carl. Sweet, sweet wife, Carl. Carl asks, which of Ellenor's online bits is her favourite so far? Anne Chongas, sleeve dog, one I've forgotten? I think definitely the Tony, me off one. That's my favorite. The sucking off is still my favorite, yeah. Yeah. So I think the first one of those I, the first suck me off bit I ever posted, I was like outrageously drunk.

I think I just come home from a party and it was like 2 a.m. or something. And I was like, wouldn't it be funny if I made a sexual gag about that? I think I would get like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like... I would like like like like like like like like. I would like. I would like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like like like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I was like. I'd. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. It. I'm. I'm. It. It. I'm. I something and I was like wouldn't it be funny if I made a sexual gag about taking about it? I would get like five faves and like eight replies telling me to fucking go to hell and fuck off etc. It's just it's so like it's it's perfect because he despite his his bevy of daughters he is also like one of the most asexual beings on the planet. I find him very sexual. Really? We've all seen that footage from winking while he was on the radio. Yeah yeah I sort of have to agree with Lucy here like even just the way you know when he's at

press conferences where he sort of almost like a in a lizard-like way sort of licks his lips like if he could reach his eyeballs, he would do it. Beady eyes, darting tongue. It's horrible. Oh, it's awful. It's sexual, for sure. It's uncomfortably sexual, is what I'm saying. Well, I guess as well when you consider like, A, how completely consumed he is by, you know, cultural war debates about other people's sexuality,

as he was during the marriage debate, that sort of thing, and his rampant Catholicism. And like how obsessed he is with notions of masculinity and physicality. Because he's thinking about fucking all the time. Do you remember when that guy popped up and he was like, I think I might be Tony Herbert's illegitimate son? Oh yeah, it was good. Because Tony Abbott fucked so much that he has fucking kids that he didn't, it turned out that it wasn't his kid in the end, but it was plausible that it could have been.

Well it was plausible to Tony. That was the telling you tell. True, maybe. Maybe. We have a follow-up question here from Carl, which is, lesser question, more of a prompt. What obscure goth bullshit are you listening to at the moment? I've been listening to a bit of, um, that's not really obscure. I don't really get into the obscure goth bullshit. I get into, you know, just the widely beloved goss bullshit, but I have been listening to quite a bit of Sisters of Mercy recently. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah. I feel a bit of a maverick because my favorite Sisters of Mercy album is First and Last and Always which is otherwise widely acknowledged to be their second best album. I would like to recommend the soundtrack to the 2014 movie The Guest.

Because that shit bangs. It's extremely good. Um, the movie is also really, really good. Uh, it's got a guy from, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Little guy. But yeah, he turns up at the, the house of a, like the family of a dead veteran and says, uh, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th-I, th-I, th-I, th-a, th-uh, th-a, th-I, that, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th....... th. th. I, th-a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th-I, th-I's, that-s, that-s, that-s, th-s''-s'-s'-s'-s'-s'-s, th-a-I'm, th-a of the the house of a like the family of a dead veteran and says I knew your son

And I should I would like to stay here and talk to you for a while And then lots of psycho killing and shit ensues But yeah the the soundtracks got like Sisters of Mercy and Hell yeah, the clan of Ximox and love and rockets and um, but also like the the the the the sound the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the soundtrack's got like Sisters of Mercy and Clan of Xymox and Love and Rockets and oh yeah but also like Pertibator and sort of newish dark synthwave shit as well from the soundtrack great soundtrack great movie if you want to see some bones popping out of skin I don't want to see that in any circumstance it's badass it's great movie if you like to see that in any circumstance. It's badass, it's great for me. If you like horror-type thrillers folks with great goth soundtracks.

My favorite um, this is the Mercy thing is that they don't have a drama, they just use a drum machine but they gave the drum machine a name. So gath. They called it a doctor with a K Dr. Avalanche. Wow. When I saw that when I was like 14 years old I was like I want to fuck all of you guys. Perfect. Perfect. Wife of the show brick dust odis asks um I drink my daily allotment of rock star out of a coffee cup, warm at my desk. Am I valid? No. What the fuck dude? No, it's awful. No, it's awful. I think what's here at the point of drinking the warm Rockstar?

You should just consider taking caffeine tablets like a trucky. You should. Rockstar's not even. I mean, that's the lowest tie tha. energy drink. Totally. I'd rather have a good old-fashioned sugar-free V. I don't like sugar-free V. I'm not ashamed to say that I will occasionally pick up the odd sugar-free Red Bull. Sugar-free Red Bull? That's also a valid choice as long as you don't drink it warm. No, it's cold. I would like to shout out Sugar-free Red Bull is just the superior red bull. Well, the other thing you can sort of feel physically feel it's, you can sense it really rotting your taste. Yeah, yeah you kind of got to take that slight edge off. I only accept that when I'm eating delicious chocolate. I'm not willing to accept it from a low rent energy drink. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to say something that might divide our listeners which is is there is no lower form of scum to me

than the people I see at like 830 in the morning with a pint can of Rockstar or mother or some shit Get a fucking coffee or just get up go to bed earlier Do I learn to like a psychiatrist? Get diagnosed with ADHD and have some self-respect? I saw a guy at like 9 a.m. The other day and he was holding like, um, two red balls? th th th th c. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thirty the thirty thirty the th. the th. the the th. the th. the the th. th. th. I the th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I respect. I saw a guy at like 9 a.m. the other day and he was holding like two red balls in one hand and the one on top was open. Oh God. It's like, come the fuck on. Please. Get your life together. Not even double fisting them, just one on top of the other, one hand. Well, they're skinny enough. He's not's not fucking around I used to I used to work in a building like in an office where the bottom

half of the of the building was call center and so every day walking in in like the Melbourne CBD there'd be you know everybody's being drawn into the same building the horrible magnetism of capitalism and you always like stop at the traffic lights before walking across the street in this place and so I'll walk up next to you and there always be, you know, people like smoking a cigarette, chewing gum and drinking a red bull at like 830 a.m. Oh, it's disgusting. Fucken, vile combo. What all at the same time? Yeah, yeah. No, the power. The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tra. tra. traffic. traffic. traffic. traffic. traffic. traffic. traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic traffic lights the traffic lights traffic lights traffic lights traffic lights traffic lights traic. traic tra. tra. tra. tra. tra. tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra tra traffic. You traffic. You traffic. You the the traffic. You the traffic. You traffic. You traffic. the the traffic. the the the the the the the the traffic lights. the the the traffic lights. the traffic lights. traffic lights. traffic traffic. traffic. traffic.'s disgusting. Fucke vile combo. What all at the same time? Yeah, yeah.

No, the power move is that you smoke the cigarette, then you drink the red ball and then you have the gum. No, that would be sensible. That would make sense. That would be like... So that would be like... So that would be some kind of logical progression of trying to like clean out the worst smell with the not as bad one and then tidy up the not as bad one with the one that's supposed to override the other smells.

Precisely. No, instead you would get people chewing gum and smoking a seaguay, the other hand, all these things going on at once, and I would just be like, what the fuck is happening inside your mouth right now? That's hell to me. That's just hell. That is absolute, absolute chaos. Absolute chaos. Now, we've got a lover of the show, Travis Jordan here, who I believe, somebody tell me if I'm wrong, I believe he is very active on the praxis of the show.

Oh, very much so. He's maybe one of the few people that listed this podcast that actually affects real change in the world. Yes, that actually does organizing and that kind of stuff. So we're gonna give you his question, Elnor, and we're just glad it's not being directed at us. Going at you instead. Travis says, it's easy to feel powerless and impotent in Australia's political climate. Maybe you buddy. How do you stay passionate and optimistic about the future and how do you think we should be organizing better?

Well this is I'm gonna have a two-part answer both of the parts of this I'm going to give a two-part answer. Both of both of the parts of this answer are going to be extremely disappointing to everyone listening to this. The first is I do not stay optimistic. I am an inveterate pessimist about absolutely everything that goes on in the world most of all in Australia. And the second part of the answer is I don't organize at all. I went through like a long period about the second part of the answer is, I don't organize at all. I went through a long period about sort of one or two years ago where I was like basically trying to answer this question for myself, like, what could I possibly be doing to sort of,

you know, in a socialist sense, sort of, you know, live my beliefs, you know, what's an appropriate amount of praxis for me to be taking part in? And I ultimately came to inclusion that the answer the answer the answer the answer that the answer the answer that that the answer that the answer th the th the th the thi thi thi thi thi thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like a tho-like, like a long tho-like, like a long thi, like a long tho-like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, thi, thi, like, thi, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.a' thi. We'a'a'a, thi. We'a'a, thi. We'a, thi, thi, thi, like, an appropriate amount of praxis for me to be taking part in? And I ultimately came to the conclusion that the answer is really none. I think that's true for everyone, but for me at least, like I looked at my options, I looked at my sort of, you know, what could I join? I'm never joined an organization in my life. I'm not really a joiner at all. But I seriously considered it for quite a while and eventually came to the quite sad conclusion that A, there is sort of nothing in Australia that I would be willing to, you know, wholeheartedly take part in at this current time.

And also, as a corollary, even if there was, I probably wouldn't. Can I ask you a question? Can I break in with a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the quququququququququququite quite qu-a qu-s qu-s qu-s qu-s th. to qu-s qu-s to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to qu-sc, qu-sc, qu, qu, qu, qu, qu, qu, qu qu qu th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. the th. thine th. thine the the c the conclusion the conclusion the the conclusion the conclusion the the conclusion the conclusion the conclusion the conclusion thi quite thi quite thiq thiq thiq toe conclusion conclusion thiq thi. I probably wouldn't. Oh, can I ask you a question? Can I break in with a sub-question here? Of course. You were taking some questions on Twitter the other day, and one of them was about whether you would join or what you think of a particular local socialist organization? Oh, yeah, salt. Salt? Salt? Yes. Oh yeah, salt. Salt? Socialist alternative salt. Yes. Yes. Yes. And because I was

trying to remember which one it was and you said it's a cult don't join. It is a cult. And I just wanted if you wanted to elaborate slightly. I think there's actually a piece that was written in and don't hold please try not to hold this against it, but in the City University student newspaper called Onysua, which is spelled through and I, yes, Onisua. I'm just like, Lucy, it's not, it's not honey soi toy like we've been thinking. You can absolutely call it. Honeysoe. But the piece is, I think from 2016 and it's called My salty, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's, th. It's, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. It's actually, th. It's actually, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, they, they, they, they. It's, they. It's, they, the the the the the the But the piece is, I think, from 2016 and it's called My Salti Summer.

And it's basically this fucking poor guy detailing how he sort of got involved in Salt and just found the whole experience like totally, you know, disillusioning. And it's basically like a weird fucking like socialist pyramid scheme where they recruit a bunch of younger members and they constantly have to be recruiting because hardly anyone stays around very long because the group itself is so fucking toxic and awful. A high turnover is always a very encouraging sign. Well yeah exactly it's extremely like extremely you know red flags suss. And yeah this guy was basically like, this extremely like, extremely, you know, red flags, suss.

And yeah, this guy was basically like, yep, they tried to just pressure me into about a whole bunch of stuff. They have these really, like, sort of stringent, ideological dogmas that if you don't adhere to, you tend to get like, uh, sort of bullied or like they try and re-educate you out of it and stuff, which I completely believe. I had a housemate who was in to salt for a while and I, quite a few years ago and I went along to a bunch of stuff with her and I was just like basically horrified by the whole thing and that really sort of got rid of any, you know, sort of lingering guilt that I had at the time about not being involved in sort of campus socialist politics

because I was a union at the time. Yeah I think bad. It's very bad folks. And it's it's rough though because like we frequently get questions about this kind of thing and we honestly quite often don't have a great answer or know what to say because it seems like you two options in Australia at this point are to try to join and you know affect change in some kind of small organization and it seems like a lot of those tend to be these kinds of things seem to be very small groups. It's similar to be these kinds of things, seem to be very small groups.

It's similar to like, you know, some, like the complaints you see about some branches of DSA in the states, where because they're small organizations. I think, I think there's a lot of potential in those sorts of organizations for individuals who get into there because they go, hey, I can be a big fish in this small pond, I can be the psycho who insists on ideological purity, and I can... Yeah, totally. And I can command a room and I can force everybody to agree with me and all this kind of shit. I guess I sort of do have a, I guess maybe not the answer that people are looking for, but I do have an answer to this question, which is like, you know, your options for, you know,

volunteering your time to try and make the world a better place are not limited to joining a socialist organization. I have volunteered for, you know, have volunteered for, you know, have volunteered for sort of rape crisis stuff. I've volunteered for sort of domestic violence organizations before. I've volunteered for like reproductive health and abortion organizations before. I'm currently writing a piece for Frankie at the moment where I'm interviewing the founder of an organization called Women on Waves, which was started by a Dutch doctor who would sort of sailor ship around places where abortion was inaccessible and try and

provide medical abortions to women in international waters and they now do a lot of stuff online where you can, for I think the price is like 90 euros, if you live in a country where abortion is restricted, they will mail you abortion-inducing drugs. I find all of that stuff and like a sort of activism in volunteering for like homelessness organizations, volunteering for even you know stuff like meals on wheels, I just find all that stuff so much more compelling than joining a socialist organization in Australia at the moment and that might change in the

future but currently I don't I just can't really see that might change in the future, but currently I don't, I just can't really see that getting involved in much sort of socialist politics in Australia is really worth it. But there is a lot of other stuff you can do. And as always, you can join your union. You know, like a powerful, a powerful labor union movement probably has a lot more potential to affect genuine change in you know workplaces and labor markets than... Yeah for sure I think it sort of it depends on the union yes don't join the SDA for example don't join the fucking no well you probably should fucking join the MEWA I did but you know they're fucking useless yeah yeah yeah probably the fucking the fucking the ttou-a the the they-you know the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the M.E.A. I did, but you know, they're fucking useless. Yeah, probably depends on where you work as to whether or not that particular union is

going to help you out of much. Worth looking to. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, you know, by and large, I think the general rules are the more people from the more workplaces that are involved in their unions and like directly interacting with their unions, The more likely it is that you can affect change on You know a workplace or a corporation or whatever rather than saying oh I'm gonna join this thrown. I'm gonna join this party or I'm gonna vote this way and way and expect them to turn around and clamp down on some corporate entity

that donates hundreds of thousands of dollars a year more to them than I do. I guess I would also, for anyone who is sort of interested in this question, I would strongly recommend that you read a book called Nilist communism, which I think is like freely pretty freely available online if you Google it, which I don't agree with 100% but it does present an extremely fucking compelling critique of sort of socialist and anarchist activism. I think the context that that was written in was like you know 90s UK but it does generalize quite a lot and it's a really good thing to read

if you're interested in this stuff for sure. And what have we got left here? Friend of the show Daniel Lambert asks, have any of you experienced any anti-white racism recently? I hear it's a big problem. Look, I gotta confess, I was ordering food at a Thai restaurant recently, and the lady behind the counter called me an alabaster bitch. I mean, called me a pasty fuck. Big fat pink boy. Is that because that's the name on your driver's loss? Alabaster Q bitch. I don't know if I've suffered any anti-white racism, but I may have actually perpetrated some.

Sure. You know, now and then here and there. Not really of us to it. I think I have. I've got like, someone made me a certificate online that said anti-white, white, white, white, anti-white, I had a little metal on it. I assume this was on Twitter. This was on Twitter. Thank you, but I guess I have been perpetrating it. You're officially an anti-white-white. No, well, well, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's, th. that's, th. th. that's, th. th. that's, th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. that. No, well, yeah, so that's not racist against you. That's just saying that you are a racist against the most persecuted race of all, the whites. Also, when ordering dinner, I have had them be like, are you sure it?

It's very spicy. Oh, that's the worst kind of racism. Yes, I can use chopsticks. I don't need a fork. Yes. Undelieval. I love that that that that that that that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that that that that happens that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoooes. that's their the. that's the. Thank you. Yes. Undelievable. I love when that happens because like you always see, you know, fear in their eyes where it's like, white people have ordered this dish before and they have immediately gone on like racist tirades that other patrons in the restaurant filmed on their mobile phones. And it's like this is a, you know,

an instinct honed by years of experience that I respect. I'm going to give you one final question and then we're going to get out here. This is from Wife of the Show, Archie. Arke asks, what would be your favorite wild animal to have as a pet? Why the fuck would I want to have a wild animal as a pet? Oh, there's lots of weird cool animals that'd be cool to have a monkey. It's clearly a monkey of some kind, right? I was gonna have a wild animal as a pet, I'd just have a fucking child. Wow. My mom used to say that kids are basically shaved monkeys.

That's fair. I always used to think to myself when my kids were smaller, that anybody who doesn't believe in evolution has never watched like a two-year-old eat a banana. That's sorted out right there. I still, one of my favorite tweets in the world is that one that you did Andrew of, I think it was Mave wearing a pair of your boots over her eyes. She had my wife's blunstones on her hands except the size that her hands were they just go all the way up to the shoulders and said, yeah if evolution is real, why does my child have full legs? Check me. Explain this. I will say on the wild animal front that like here's another contentious take for the Twitter crowd. Every time

I see like somebody reposting one of those like a cute Japanese account and it's like someone. The lizard. You're talking about the lizard? It's whatever the fuck it's it's lizards it's like it's. It's like it's it's leemars it's like it's. It's like. It's like a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tiiii ti tree ti ti ti ti tree the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Are you talking about the lizard? It's whatever the fuck. It's lizards, it's like, it's lemurs, it's exotic birds, it's all the shit that people have in their fucking six meter square, like tiny apartment in Tokyo. Oh yeah, and they're tiny little Japanese apartment. They've just got this giant iguana. It was like look at this cute animal and I'm like why the fuck do you have that as a pet in your house? Don't do that. Animal hates you. It doesn't love you. It's a lizard. It has cold blood. It does not know love. There's just there's... Hey, are you talking about lizards or my ex-wife? Oh! Oh! Well Ben, I'm sorry, thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that that that that the the the the the their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. thi thi thi thi thi toy toy toy toy toy toy toy toy toy toy toy toy toy toy the the thi thi thi thi that you made the choice to get married to a lizard, but that's really on you. It's true. I shouldn't have done that, and in retrospect, every single person that told me at the wedding not to do it was right. They were right. I can't believe your entire best man speech was about how you should not be marrying this lizard. At the time I was very pissed off, but looking back at it now, everyone. to. to. to. You. You. You. You. We to. We to to to to to to the to me. We to be. We to me. We the to be. You. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I was their, I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was thi. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I, I, I was th. I, I, I, I was th. I, I, I, I, I was th. I was th. I was th. I, I, I was th. I. I, I, I. I, I th. I, I, I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I'm to th. I'm to the. I'm to be te. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the time I was very pissed off, but looking back at it now, everyone really did have my

best interests at heart. We're trying to have your back man and you, you know, you threw us to the, threw us to the lions. I really didn't appreciate it. Well, maybe next time be a little more adamant. Well folks, we've gone very long here. The bumper episode, but that's what happens when your respect forces you to listen to two women's voices. Oh, man.

Nagging. Just constant nagging. I just got over time. Usually when I listen to podcast is because I'm doing really boring housework. So I'm just hoping that whoever's listening to this fucking extremely long podcast got like all the dishwasher, like folded all the laundry. Dusted on top of the bookshelves. Exactly.

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That's why I only listened to podcasts that don't make any sense. Yeah that too that's gonna be a problem. So thank you Elnor. My absolute pleasure. Anytime. You can find Elnor on Twitter at the aforementioned Marrowing. You can find Elinor's many writings scattered about the internet. You can find all my many writings at Eleanor. Beards, my website. We will link that one up in the old show notes. Oh yeah. Get you some hits.

Is that real? Get some traffic. Yeah. I am so glad that I got the URL Elinor dot beers. It's one of my few good things that I've done in my life. That's where you do your business. Oh wow, you are not lying. Nope. That's my website. That is a tight URL brah. Thank you very much. Rupert helped me. I kind of assumed, I sexistly assumed that just because he's a massive nerd lord who does web stuff constantly. You're absolutely correct. Hey speaking of tight URLs, you could go and visit

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