Boonta Vista - UNLOCKED BONUS EPISODE: In The Hall Of The Bunion King

Episode Date: May 1, 2020

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Hello and welcome to Bonifista. This is a bonus episode. My name is Ben and I'm here at the offices of the real estate agency in which I work, doing my job as a property manager. I've spent most of the day throwing emergency repair requests into a time capsule that I'll open a month's time. I'm getting ready to pass the time until I knock off deducting hundreds of dollars from tenants bonds due to my unshakeable belief that normal wear and tear does not exist. Sitting at the desk across from me, setting a light request for rent reductions, it's Lucy.

It's Lucy. Hello Lucy. Hi, really. I enjoy and myself here. My job description is far-darsing around and I'm doing a great job of it. It's really nice having a job where it seems like all you do is say no to people. You don't even have to say yes. I mean it's quite stressful. I'm spending my time bartering with a gardener who he wants to mow a tenant's lawn for $50, but I'm asking him if he could go up to $900. I've been sitting here and I'm just looking at the emails that I've been getting and then just not answering them. It's been really, really good. I've got a couple of repair requests in here. Just not going to answer those.

You've got to give it a few days and then you've got to say that you'll ask the owner. Yeah. I've been getting some some from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the to to the the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. I. I. I. I. I their. I. I. I. I's. I's. I's. I'm the. I'm just the. I'm just the. I'm just the. I'm just the. I'm just to to to to to th. I'm just. I'm just. I've to to to th. I'm just. I'm just. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. I'm just. I'm just. I'm've got to say that you'll ask the owner. Yeah, I've been getting some from people asking me to talk to the owner to see if I can get a rent reduction for them and I'm just not going to do that I'm not going to contact the owner at all. Why would you? It's not our job. No, God no. I don't know what our job is but I know it's definitely not that. I'm clear. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't that. I don't that. I don't that. I don't that. I don't that. I don't that that that that that that th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th th that that that that that that that that that that that that I don't that I don't know that I don't know that I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't that I don't that I don't know I don't th th th th th tho. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know what that I don't know what that I don't know what that I don't know what that I don't know what that I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know what that. I'm clear, but I'm getting paid exorbitantly for it. I assume so. I feel like, and this might be, this is based entirely on a gut feeling, I feel like real estate agents probably have the highest density of people with custom number plates. Oh, absolutely. The amount of times I see people driving like shitty BMWs or whatever that are just like estate or sales or, you know, like it's a really weird like one property related word

thing, there's someone that drives around this suburb that's just got agent as their. Oh, for sure. Very cool. Yeah, it's dope. Always just very cool people. Every time I go back to my hometown, it's just like the worst people imaginable from high school, who's like absolute peak year was like high school for them. They're the real estate agents, they're the property managers in town, which makes a lot of sense. I also, I've got a couple of friends that, I wouldn't call them friends.

Definitely people I went to high school with their kind of made it their whole thing on their social media as well like they're always doing Facebook posts about like the properties that they're selling it stuff. Oh yeah they invite you to like the page. Oh it's so weird. Terrible stuff. Disgusting. Sorry if you're a property manager but no doubt you're listening to the show. I'm not sorry at all. That's not an apology on behalf of the entire podcast, because we will not make that. Speaking of making people's life worse just on a casual whim, I believe we've got a very special edition of Plainly Speaking here. We sure do, and I'm sure we'll put the theme in later, and if we don't, it's something like a beep beep something it's

it's Andrews voice is it Andrews voice I think it's Andrews voice it's a it's oh this is very rude to the person that did it you know we weren't part of that discussion but anyway this might actually be where the theme is okay or this is what you get instead. You're welcome either way, depending on what I decide to do. So Harrison Ford, who is, I will say, a very old man. This is just a great headline. Harrison Ford under investigation for aviation incident again. So I just learned about this recently which is wonderful.

Harrison Ford has his pilot's license and if you're rich you can just apparently just fly your plane around. So this is from deadline. According to multiple reports the star is again under investigation by the Federal Aviation Administration this time over an incident that happened last week at an airport in Southern California. Ford was piloting a light aircraft that crossed a runway where another aircraft was landing. Those planes were about 3,600 feet apart and there was no danger of a crash. He's under investigation for this apparently, the last time I looked.

According to the BBC, Ford has acknowledged the mistake and apologize, saying he misheard an instruction from air traffic control. Awesome. It's so good that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th th th saying he misheard an instruction from air traffic control. Awesome. It's just so good that this is allowed to happen. So this is not the first incident in Harrison Ford's plane that he has been involved in. He's a real jack and ape. Really just a bit of a bumbling idiot up there apparently. So at 2017, Harrison Ford was 74 years old at the time, was told to land on a runway at John Wayne Airport in Orange County, but he mistakenly landed on a parallel taxiway. Just crazy, passing over an American Airlines jet holding nearby.

Air Traffic Control recordings have Ford asking, was that airliner meant to be underneath me? I'm sorry, like, I get some of like, sometimes got an antie when people are really aggressive on me, like once you reach a certain age, you should bloody have to take your driver's license every six months or whatever. I'm like, you know, I know lots of people that are in their 70s that are like fine, you know, that their brain still works good, they're still going great, whatever. But then occasionally, you know, like you'll see someone just taking a roundabout

like incredibly slowly in front of you and you'll look and it's like the oldest person alive and you're just like, oh, this can't be. You really can't be good. I just feel like if that's how I feel about people in cars, it's got to escalate substantially when they're in a plane, right? Definitely. It's just wild. Imagine just sitting there in this airliner and Harrison Ford flies over you and nearly just completely murders you. Imagine if the last thing you saw was Harrison Ford's face just like completely not taking in anything that saw.

Oh, oh! I can just picture him with his like bewildered eyebrows. You know the look. There's like a bunch of his movies recently as well where he barely looks like he's like awake for those. Yeah, like in the newer Star Wars, he doesn't look great. No, he's just like, ugh, ugh. And that, he's getting paid like a million dollars a second to be there and they're doing multiple takes, let alone where it's just, he's like personal time and he's just, you know, winged it. And so he has enough money to just be flying his plane around. So I'm not he he's he he's th he's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. thus, he's thus, he's thus. thus. thus. thi's thi's thus. that. thi's just thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thus. thus. He's just th. th. th. th. th. th. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. He's, th. He's, th. He's, th. He's, th. He's, that. He's, that. He's, the the the the the the the the the thean. He's, the. He's the. In March 2015, Ford was seriously injured when his second

World War era trainer crashed on a Los Angeles golf course when it lost power shortly after take off. So this could have completely killed him. Except apparently, according to the Guardian, the actor was praised for his ingenuity in avoiding more populated areas. So really, pull a sully. Ingenuity seems like it's incredibly overstating that. My God, this guy invented not crashing your plane into a shopping center. It's pretty incredible. Thinking about Sally landing in the Hudson River, then you've got a Harrison Ford

deciding to crash land into a golf course. You just see him like sitting up in the sky being like, wow, my choice is there's a spot there that's full of people and people's houses or this huge, immense, empty, flat, green surface. What would a genius do? Oh, now I'm going backwards in the timeline, but there's already some moments here where I would have personally stopped flying my plane. I would have maybe just thought that it's not for me.

But even back in 1999, Ford crash landed his helicopter during a training flight in which he and an instructor were practicing auto rotations in Ventura County, northwest of LA, neither of them was hurt. And in another incident, Ford was flying a beachcraft bonanza, sounds great. When Winshia forced him to make an emergency landing at Lincoln Municipal Airport in Nebraska, they were uninjured when the plane clipped the runway. I feel like the absolute max number of like air crashes you should be in in your lifetime is one. It's probably one. I would say two at a real maximum. Like you really love flying.

You're like, all right, I made a mistake. I won't make the mistake again. I've learnt my lesson. If you personally had a choice between being in a helicopter crash or a plane crash, which would you pick? Oh, plane crash for sure. Helicopter crashes are like 100% fatal. You're just, you're, you're th.. You're th. You're th. You're f. You're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to thi, I thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th, th, th, th. I th, th, th, th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I would thi, I would thi. I would thi. I would thi. I would thi. I would the. I would theateateateateateateateateateateateateate. I would thi. I would thi. I would thi., plane crash for sure. Helicopter crashes are like 100% fatal. You're just, you're fucked. You're screwed if a helicopter stops working.

You can survive like a commercial airliner crash. You know, the actual rate of death is, I think, as far as I know, it's not huge. I mean, it's huge. You don't really want to be in a plane crash, but you can absolutely reasonably survive an airliner crash, depending on the situation. But if helicopter fucks up, you're fucked. Yeah, you just, though, I guess because there's no capacity to glide, right? If you like road to fucks up, you just plum it.

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He's a crazy beast of a man, but I feel like he should maybe just stop now before he had somebody else. No, he's one more chance. One more crash and then he's out. Listen, he's rich. He's allowed to retain his pilot's license. He's got that money. I don't know if I've ever said this on the podcast before or not, but so the boat that my family lived on when I was in my teens, the one that we hit the whale with, don't know the name of the episode in which I described that happening, but can't help you try to find it. But I just know that boat. We got that boat specifically because Shirley Strawn from Skyhooks. You know how he died in a fucking, was it a plane or a helicopter accident?

Plain maybe? I don't know, he died in some kind of aviation incident. Yeah, one of the two. Well, anyway, this was the project boat that he was working on with the mate of his in Bunderberg and then obviously tragically died and then the other guy didn't want to do it by himself so I put it up for sale and then my parents bought it. Wow. Yeah, so when we got it it was just a hull and nothing else because they were halfway through doing it. But yeah, we had a Oh, Ben trivia. Yeah, a little snippet of my life. A little vignette. I enjoyed it.

Yeah, which is probably... Weirdly now saying it that way makes us sound almost opportunistic, but it wasn't like, we're like, ha! He died, let's board his boat. Let's get this dead man's boat. Jesus Christ. Speaking of horrible tragedies, let's talk about real estate again. Doing so good at this segue. Andrew actually has a gift for it. Every time I give him shit for some guy, I feel great until I have to do them with that I feel awful. He has a certain skill set. It's basically the better call soul skill set. He's a really personable man. I'll give him that. And obviously these are the things we're saying

where begrudgingly giving him compliments implies how we actually feel about him, which is nice. He's a real shit-handed now that he's not here to defend himself, fuck that guy. Fuck you, Andrew. So we've been talking a lot about landlords being absolute fucking garbage, which has, you know, obviously been very nice and cathartic, but we've had a few listeners point out that a lot of our anger that we've been directing at landlords could specifically be directed at the people that exist between landlords and tenants, which is the, uh, the, uh, which is the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th is th is th is th is th, uh, uh, uh, the, the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, landlords, the, the, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, landlords, the, landlords, the, the, the the the the the the the people that exist between landlords and tenants, which is the most horrible class of people alive, the property manager. Largely because these are the people that have, well, much like landlords, they have a vested interest in tenants still paying rent because they are paid by a commission,

which is something that they have not been shy about being too explicit about. So this is a story from, weirdly enough, a story from a current affair, literally the worst institution in Australia, but that's all right, as long as we got this from them. Well, they have some things, you know, they hate a dodgy tradie and they hate a dodgy landlord... Which th, which, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi, thi, which, which, thi, which, which, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which is thi, which is thi, which is thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, which thi, thi, thi, their commission commission commission commission commission commission commission commission the long as we got this from them. Well they have some things you know they hate a dodgy tradie and they hate a dodgy landlord. That is so true that at least is a popular sentiment that they can get behind that is correct so this is a 9.com to you write up of that current affair story real estate agents of putting their own interests ahead of tenants it would believe it that I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I that I that I that I would believe that I would be that I would be that I would be that I would be that I would be that that that that that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. their the. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. that theate. that theate. the. the. the. theate. the. the. the. the. the. th ahead of tenants. We would believe it. And Landau was. After an accidental email of internal communications about how to...

What? Sorry, this is a horribly written article. After an accidental email of internal communications about how to add off requests for rent relief, that sentence doesn't go anywhere. The point is that this thing got from his property manager at Coronas, Cooperoo, in Brisbane, which outlined reasons why a request for rent-free period should be avoided at all costs. When the rent drops, our commission drops as well, the document stated. Go fuck yourselves.

We should avoid free rent periods altogether for our benefit and for the tenants as it has been suggested that some tenants will spend the upfront money and not save it for more long-term effects. Oh, so nice of you to be concerned. I love this complete misunderstanding of like spend what up front money? Like they can't pay the rent. They don't have money. What do you? Anyways. They'll spend it all on cigarettes. Without being selfish, free rent periods and rent reductions means less revenue and less staff. The document went on.

Yeah, I mean... Yeah. Okay. It was also outlined what evidence of hardship needs to be gathered before even approaching the property owner. Tenants must provide evidence of change of circumstance, loss of job, hardship, etc. And an application has been uploaded that all tenants who ask for reductions must complete prior to approaching owners.

You must not approach any owner without having this evidence, it said. Every application must be approved by the area leader before communicating with the owners. So that's very awesome. Cool stuff. This explains a lot. I mean, we're open about saying that landlords are overwhelmingly a terrible class of people. But I don't think most of these requests for rent relief are even reaching that point. No.

And this is something that a friend of mine who listens to show had been talking about, that she has a rental property that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she had, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to show, had been talking about that she has a rental property that she inherited. She had been from the get-go, like, to the real estate agents, hey, if can you put forward a thing through to the tenants saying that I am willing to offer any relief if you need it, and that she just gets no feedback on whether or not that has been done and you know the impression she gets is that it just hasn't been which I've got some stuff that they sent through to her which I'm going to read out in a second but yeah that's these are the people who have a very naked interest in keeping that money coming in but also have complete control over that conversation you know the middleman between the

tenants have no communication with the landlord it all go through it. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's tho tho tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's thoom. It's thoomoom. It's thoomoomorrow I've thoomorrow I I've thoomoom an thoom. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I thoom coom co tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tho tho tho communication with the tenants, tenants have no communication with the landlord. It all goes through these darts. Yeah, I'd fucking hate me instead. Where was I up to? John's revenue revenue was an acupuncturist had dropped by 30% to 40% and he hoped to get some relief on his rent. He said it was worrying to read what he saw as roadblocks to his request. But it it seem like there was not a way that we would be able to get any contact with the homeowners at all, like it was going to be blocked before it even got to them, John told a current affair. The email sent on March 31st also inquired whether John had applied for early access to his superannuation. Oh, awesome. Cool. Cool. Ill, illegal. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. to. the. the. the. the. the. to. the. the. the the the the the the the to. to. to. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. John. John. John. John. John. John. John. John. John. John. John... John.............................................. It... It. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the was eventually refused by the owner according to the agency. In a statement, Coronas Property Management Director Jody Ford confirmed questions about

tenant superannuation had stopped since April 3rd when ASIC provided a directive to all real estate bodies that staff could be in breach of legislation if they weren't a licensed financial advisor. We sent an email to the entire coronas company to the effect that our team members are not under any circumstances to provide any financial advice to our clients, Ms. Ford told a current affair in statement. Since the first request was received, our property manager has been in regular contact with this tenant attempting to negotiate a reasonable outcome. Financial hardship application was sent to the tenants on 31 March, prior to the asic advice and after putting the application to the owner, the owner responded by saying, at this stage, I'm not a position to defer or reduce the rent.

Penny Carr from Tenants, Queensland says John's case shows that sometimes the interest of real estate agents and tenants aren't the same. You don't fucking say. Hmm, this is crazy, crazy thought. We just don't want to see tenants settle with very big debts at this process that they they they they they of and they left living in poverty for years to come. She was current affair. It was interesting that the statement doesn't at all, so the statement from Coronas doesn't at all address the fact that they, this guy got leaked and he was saying, hey, we need to keep making money so so try not to reduce people's rent. Yeah, cool stuff. thi-so. So, th. So, th. th. th. So, th. th. th. th. that that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, so that that that that, it's that, so that, so that, so that, so that, so the statement the statement th. So, so the statement the statement the statement that, so the statement that, so the statement that, so that, so the statement, so the statement, so th. So, so th. So, so th. So, so th. So, so th. So, so th. So, so th. So, so that, so that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the statement. So, the statement, that, the statement, so, the statement, the statement, so the statement. So, the statement. So, the statement. So, the statement. So fucking psycho. So that friend of mine I was talking about, so this is from a little snippet from a weekly newsletter that they get from the property management company.

This person has a strange name. Cinder has been leading the charge with the handling of all claims for rental distress by tenants and managing your ongoing income. Some owners may not have been contacted as we were able to assist the tenants without a need to provide you stress. Wow. Great. We've seen some tenants quote try it on but we quickly found out that they found out their real position and fell into line and continued to pay. That doesn't really make sense. But here's something even worse. Brackets easy to get on the gravy train when the government is on TV suggesting rich landlord should be carrying everything. Oh, wow, this is fucking gross. Some tenants, however, have genuine hardship and we thank those

owners who have come to the party and provided some relief to their tenants. Note our suggested best method has been rent deferral and not rental discount. Rent deferral doesn't really help people, does it? You just, yeah, but of course it serves them because they're still getting the full slice of their commission eventually. Fucking sick. What a disgusting group of people. This is just so gross just like the implication that most people are just faking it. They grubby little parasites trying to take from the poor landlords. It's so bad. So this the the the this this this this this the this this the this the the this the the th this th th th th th th th th th th th th is just like their their their their their their implication the the implication th thi thi thi, just thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their thi their their their their their their their their their their th. thi thi thi. thi thi. thi thi. thi. thi thi. thi thi thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi te te te te te te te te. teeat te. teeat the. the. the. the. the. the. th parasites are trying to take from us. My grubby little poor is trying to take from the poor landlords. Oh, it's so bad. So this fucking same real estate agency had also been sending out the open letter from the Real Estate Institute of Queensland that was saying that all of the landlord, all of the tenancy predictions that were being suggested by the labor government were, which are things like getting rid of evictions and

putting in request for rent reductions and saying that they couldn't ask for a certain level of sort of personal financial information and that, the RIEQ had put forth this open letter they were getting everyone to sign and send through to the government about this and it worked. They did it. They did it. They did it. They, they. They, they. They they. They they. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. They they. They, the, the. They did it. They were, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were, their. They were, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their to sign and send through to the government about this. And it worked. They did it. They scrapped all of those changes in legislation and now basically the outcome of them was it was slightly easier to evict people now. Very cool. Thank you.

Thank you. It's a fucking piece of shit. But that's actually not even the grossest thing that they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they sent they they they sent they they sent they they they even the grossest thing that they sent out. Here is an email that this property management company has been sending out to tenants. Oh, it's so fucking bad. Tenant coronavirus competition, entered by the 11th of May 2020. What a title to win a Coles gift card to the value of $100. All you need to do is send us a photo and show us your garden of the property you rent

with our office after your gardening efforts, brackets or living room after cleanup styling for those without a garden area. The winner will receive a $100 gift card. We understand your are stuck at home more than you want to be, so like many, you are attending to those household slash gardening chores. So enter and get rewarded. Just send your best after photo to blah blah blah by 5 p.m. on 11 May 2020. I'm sure you put your address on the subject line. Here is the possibility of getting a $100 supermarket gift guard for looking after the garden of your property.

Looking after your property. You can just imagine like the real Don Draper scene in the office to like, gotta make tenants, they're not cleaning their property, they're not keeping their gardens maintained. And I tell you what, property managers, they fucking hate it when you don't keep your garden maintained. You've got it on that shit. Like I got it, well from a chance to win a hundred dollar calls gift card. It's so great and like I'm sure they're only giving out one of these as well so you know however many people are just doing it and they're getting nothing. It's so fucking opportunistic. It's disgusting also tenant

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followers on Instagram. I know it's tough with the quarantine, especially for those who are unable to work, so I want to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, to do to do to do to do to do to, to, th. thi. to, to, thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thi. thi... thi...... thi...... the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the, the, the, the, te. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooome. the. t it's tough with the quarantine, especially for those who are unable to work, so I want to do a giveaway for someone to receive $5,000. Damn. That's in all caps, she wrote, the post, which was removed from Instagram shortly after this article was published, featured Miss Hathaway, fanning out a stack of a hundred dollar bills. So you've gone and withdrawn this from the bank to make your Instagram post? Uh-huh. That is also like a weird thing because you don't pay them...

You're not going to send them cash. Yeah, so what do you do? You're just like taking $5,000 out, taking a photo of it and then redepositing that money? I guess. It seems like you're unnecessarily interacting with cash, which at this point in time seems like a bad idea. Hmm. I wonder if anyway. Do you get banks of sanitizing notes that are coming out of? No, probably not. Surely not. That seems like a lot. I wonder. Anyway, the fans began tagging friends and commenting about how desperately they could use

the money. I could use a miracle right about now. One woman wrote, several users posted prayer emogies. As the coronavirus has continued to disrupt American lives and livelihoods, Instagram has been overrun with cash giveaways like Miss Hathaways. Several popular personalities have offered cash to their fans in exchange for tags, follows and comments, including Harry, Jowsey, a star of the new Netflix reality reality TV show Too Hot to Handle. The lifestyle influences Caitlin Covington and Laura Bevelin. Can't express how much I've never heard of these people. The rapper and social media star Bad Baby? It's Bad Baby.

It's the Cash Me Outside Girl. Oh, yep, I know that one. Yeah. To the more than 26 million US residents who have fired for unemployment over the past five weeks and millions more who are struggling to cover unforeseen costs such as medical bills and weeks and weeks worth of food purchased all at once. These cash offers may look like lifelines. But they are frequently

framed as charity, the giveaway is part of a growth scheme that has become pervasive on Instagram. Ms. Hathaway, for instance, was paid thousands of dollars by the social media marketing firm social stance to promote the giveaway on her feed. Potential entrance were instructed to follow a list of around 70 accounts that Social Stance was following, the company charged $900 for a slot on the list. Those who purchase sponsor slots could expect to earn thousands of new followers overnight. So that seems kind of fucked, right? So she paid them for the money and that's basically purchasing new followers.

So let's do some quick math here, right? So, yeah, she got paid the money to give away the money. And the company that was giving away the money, they charged 70 people, 900 bucks a pop. That is $63,000. And their cost was to pay her to do it, and then the $5,000. I see. Damn. There's a lot of money in Instagram. This is their cost was to pay her to do it and then the $5,000. I see. Damn, that's a lot of money in Instagram.

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19. Who helps YouTube and TikTok stars orchestrate giveaways. 19! I'm sorry, that's, he's, oh my goodness. Do you want to hear something worse? I sure do. The business he runs with his the the the the god. They pay a big influencer a certain amount of money up front to host a cash giveaway. Then turn around and sell follow list slots to earn a profit. Oh my god, I'm just staring at my screen

incredulously. I don't even know how to feel. Am I impressed? Am I disgusted? Like it's a good grift. It's pretty impressive. It's also fucking like, disguising it as charity I think is pretty fucking disgusting. It's pretty gross, yeah. Entrepreneurs buy spots to gain followers in order to sell their courses or e-book, Mr. Johnson said. Models will do it to gain followers to increase engagement and charge more for brand deals. Doctors do it for credibility and to grow their personal brand. This gets worse.

Louisa Warwick, the founder of Social Acceleration Group, has orchestrated seven Instagram giveaways with influences and actresses, including Tori Spelling and Natalie Halcro. Her firm is currently selling sponsor list of spots for an upcoming cash giveaway by the teen mum star Farah Abraham. Interested parties can pay just $270 to be on the list. In exchange, Ms. Warwick said they can expect to gain thousands of followers. With many brand deals and sponsorship trips on hold because of the virus, giveways provided big influence with the way to make quick money from home.

Corona has been tough on influences. And if you get told that you can make $20,000 for posting a giveaway on Instagram, you're probably going to do it. Mr. Johnson said. I feel like coronavirus is probably not tough on influences, right? You got a really solid job there. Yeah, I mean, I guess, not a lot of content at home, I suppose. I guess for like travel influences or whatever,

that's probably bad. But like, it probably sucks. Isn't half of it just like these people getting sent products and being like, I'd love using this. Yeah. It's not my world. Purchasing sponsor sponsor on giveaways also has become the fastest and cheapest way to go on Instagram. You suddenly get this surge of followers, said

Dr. Thomas Connolly, a cosmetic dentist, who has purchased spots in Kardashian giveaways. What these giveaway campaigns do is force exposure to live human beings. Then, those people can make a choice as to whether what they want to keep following. Dr. Connolly said he has pitched daily to be a sponsor. In advertising there's really not a whole lot of choices these days. With this you pay anywhere between $10,000 and $20,000 and $20,000 and you become one of these 70 people that Kim Kardashian or Kylie Jenner says, hey go follow if you want to win cash. Ten thous $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $0 thoooooo.00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00, thoom,000.00, thoomoomoom, thoomoom, thoom, tho20,000. I guess it's just the same as paying for an ad on TV. It's just... It's a team's world and we're just living in it. That's so true.

Mm-hmm. When it comes to the people buying giveaway sponsor slots, the biggest buyers are plastic surgeons and entrepreneurs, Mr. Johnson said. Ms. Warwick echoed his assertion. Each of the giveways she has organized included doctors. So when they're saying doctors, they mean like plastic surgeons? Yes. Okay, that makes more sense. It's the demographic and age group we're targeting, said Dr. Nicole Nemeth, an owner of plastic surgery of Westchester. It's the people we'd want to market to.

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I like it. I think. There's some tremendous names in this. Preston Million, the founder and CEO of the Digital Marketing Agency influential management said that up and coming artists also frequently buy sponsor spots in influencer giveaways. It helps with perception when they're trying to shop themselves around to labels, he said. The alternative is to buy ads through Instagram,

which can be more expensive. Normally, it would cost around $10,000 to gain 10,000 followers through Instagram ads. Through a giveaway, you could spend $2,000, and grow, and $ and $1, and $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, th, th,000,000,000,000, ads, through a giveaway you could spend $2,000 and grow the same amount. Jordan Lince, the founder of High Key Clout, Lord. I'm gonna fucking... God damn it. Don't you do it! One of the largest Instagram giveaway companies, so that he doesn't like to frame it as buying followers. Oh God. It's like sponsoring an internet event, he said. Upcoming giveaways are

announced on their verified Instagram page and past winners and campaign results are featured prominently on the company's website. High key clout. It's like sponsoring an internet event. You know it's like being vans and sponsoring warped tour. Sure, it's the same thing. Sorry, I'm just stalking the Bunyan King. So his Instagram is that's one line of the pictures are of Bunyan's, of Bunyan plasties. And then the rest of it are like pictures of himself in elevators and like suits and drinking cocktails, drinking a coffee. What a strange world this is.

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he said. Right now there's a trend where influences are making it seem like these cash giveaways are out of goodness of their heart because of COVID said Mr. Freund. But if they're getting compensated, they need to close the fact that when they promote the giveaway and make posts about it, disclosure, oh sorry, let me try that again. But if they're getting compensated, they need to disclose that fact when they promote the giveaway and make posts about it. Disclosure in influencer marketing is an area that the FTC is paying a lot more attention to recently and regulators are watching. Some influences, however, aren't being paid to promote free cash. They're just giving it away. On April 15th, Katie Storino and three fellow Bosity, body positive.

Bolled together $6,000 of their own money for a giveaway entrance were encouraged to follow Body positive influences, Bosity positive. Bodity positive. Mm-hmm. Bulled together $6,000 of their own money for a giveaway. Entrance were encouraged to follow all four influences, and the winner was selected at random. That's nice. Well, I mean, like, they've framed this as like that they're not being paid to do it. But also, this is three people essentially just paying $1,500 each

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What we didn't, what we did didn't feel shady, it was a really cool, positive thing. I don't want to be, you know, one of those people that's like, I don't understand the things that the teens like. I don't though. But that's, I really, it's bizarre to me. So I watch, I watch some YouTubeers sometimes, I watch some like vegan fitness YouTubers and I follow some of their videos and stuff. But it's it's just a whole other world. It's nothing like the the terrible website that we spend all of our time on. It's just it seems like a bad life. Like they have a lot of money and they get all these sponsorships and people

send them free stuff but at what cost you know? At what cost? It's really weird, because I wonder like, you know, we all spend a lot of time on Twitter. I don't think that's controversial to say, that everything that happens on that website is insane as it is seems relatively normal, like, I don't know, but it feels like people just use it like a normal person generally. There's something insane about Instagram. Generally, there's the rare grift and whatever, but I feel like overwhelmingly Instagram is, a lot of people are on there to try to make this their life. Yeah, I guess maybe that's the thing is that like, there is a pretty well-established

career path for, if you get enough Instagram followers, you can start doing sponsored posts and stuff and you can monetize that in a way. But I think everyone with a normal brain after spending a little while on Twitter is like, oh, there is no way to monetize this. Not at all, like, unless you want to do a grift, which there's certainly a path to grifting if you're really dedicated to it to like you have to build that grift into other websites if you know what I mean? Or get a book deal or something.

Start a podcast with some of your friends from Twitter and have a Patreon for it. Exactly. Some kind of grift, some sort of naked grift. Yeah. I don't know. It's just really different. I wonder if... I also just don't really understand how people use Instagram, which makes it slightly confusing for me. I just like look at it and see pictures and I'm like, oh, that's nice.

That's nice. Yeah, I think there's just a whole other world of if you're using it to follow these kinds of influences and whatever. I only see it from some of my friends that, you know, will share a post because they want to enter a contest from another influencer or something like that. You know, they do giveaways that are not cash but gifts or whatever and sometimes you see that stuff on there. I really don't get it. If you like this stuff, please write in. Tell us all about it. Tell us what you enjoy about this. I remember. I've maybe spoken about this on the podcast before, but when I went to the States when I was like 25, I was hanging out with some people that I met

through Twitter who at the time were like super into Vine and like that were doing quite well on it and I like went around to this guy's place with one of the people that I knew and they were just like 10 to 12 people there that were all like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the like like like like the like the like the like the th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th th th. th th thi th. th. th th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's th. I's thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm like, thi. I'm like, thi. I'm. thi. thi. thi. I'm. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. that I knew and they were just like 10 to 12 people there that were all like Not vine stars in the like millions of views on their stuff or whatever, but they would like doing pretty good at it But like hearing people talk about Like the sort of planning and prep they were putting into vines and like how they were doing like the numbers on them or whatever Made me immediately not ever want to speak about Twitter in person ever in my life., like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, the like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, likethey were doing like the numbers on them or whatever made me immediately not ever want to speak about Twitter in person ever in my life just for like oh god is that what it sounds like like it was a yeah it was a very very general of person on Twitter that speaks about Twitter this way in real life

too that their whole tweets are crafted and planned and they absolutely talk about the numbers that it's doing and stuff like that. Never ever do that. Also if you've ever drafted a tweet, go to hell. Just don't. You just... You don't have to. Change your life. Just pop it off. Pop any tweet off that comes to your mind. You're going to enjoy yourself. Unfiltered. Don't. Don't, yeah, putting craft in it makes us all embarrassed. Please don't. It really does. Do you, are you on Tick Tock as in like, do you have it? I downloaded it the other day because one of my friends tell me that he's getting really

into TikTok and he tell me about this group of people that like live together in the same house it's like a mansion and they're like all tick-to-talk stars or something so I download it I haven't like looked at it yet but I I assume that it's probably not something I'm gonna enjoy oh man that uh did you ever read that uh the Vine Mansion article about Logan Paul. Oh, no. It was just like a profile article about him that just painted a picture of like the craziest person in the world. He definitely seems like an extremely crazy kind of guy.

No, this article is way too long for me to read. It's called Logan Paul has conquered the internet, but he can't figure out how to conquer the world. It's on Business Insider. You should definitely look up to read it. It is just nuts. I'm going to read the start of it here. Okay. So this is from 2015, which is actually that was when I went to the States. This is when vine vine vine, vine, vine, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thine, thine, thine, thine, thine, thine, thi, thi, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, loa, loa, loa, loa, loa, loa, lo crazy, lo crazy, lo crazy, lo crazy, lo crazy, lo crazy, lo crazy, thol, thol, thol, thol, thol, thol, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thioli, thioli, thioli, thioli, thiolioli, thiologe, thi, thi, thi, which is actually, that was when I went to the States. This is when Vine was like very big. This is Peak Vine. When I followed around the 20-year-old earlier this month, he had just finished filming a six-second clip that with clever editing shows him leaping over a speeding car and into the middle of a highway, flipping backwards over a motorcycle, grabbing a cat from the road, spinning away from another car and carrying the cat to safety.. I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. theeeeeee over a motorcycle, grabbing a cat from the road,

spinning away from another car and carrying the cat to safety. I'm saving a cat, Caroline. A cat, Logan said. Kitty car jump, went up on the social network vine around two weeks ago. It has already racked up more than 20 million views. Oh my god. Despite his mastery of vine, however, Logan is dreaming of something much bigger, which is why he dropped out of Ohio State University last year and moved to LA. I want to be the biggest entertainer in the world, Logan told me earlier this month. That's my deal.

I'll do whatever it takes to get that, as many hours as is needed. Logan clearly believes in himself. Still, while his internet fame keeps growing, making him hundreds of thoands of dollars already, he hasn't found crossover success beyond a role in law and order and a few commercials. He hasn't proven that the silly style that works so well in six-second videos on four-inch screens can work in any other context, and he hasn't shown that he knows how to do any other. Tragic stuff. Like any aspiring star. Yeah. I mean he kind of did translate into other success. He got famous for that body of the... Suicide Forest video? Yeah, is that Logan Paul? Okay, cool. Yeah, that was him. This is the same guy. Also the same guy who briefly became a flat earther. He like did the

like keynote speech at the 2017 or 2018 flat earth conference, which is really great. Wow, oh, that's incredible. Like any aspiring star, Logan is on the clock. He will only be this young and this pretty for so long. His fan base composed largely of young girls is getting older to two, and there's no guarantee they will stay with him or that the next generation will take their place. Logan is convinced this is his window of opportunity that the next generation will take their place. Logan is convinced this is his window of opportunity that he has to keep up with the Hollywood pace of go, go, go, go, go, if he wants to cross over

into mainstream fame. Logan Paul knew nothing about Hollywood when he moved there with dreams of transcending internet stardom. When he hired a financial plan or manager, he wasn't clear on what exactly those representatives were supposed to do. He told me I had to ask my manager, I go, are you my manager or my agent? And why? He goes, do me a favor, watch entourage. I watched the whole season. Logan side the lease on an apartment in a luxury complex on Vine Street, a building that currently houses six of the top 15 vine stars of the world. Oh wow. Logan currently ranks 10th and his neck and neck and neck with a the my my th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th currently houses six of the top 15 vine stars in the world. Oh wow. Logan currently ranks 10th and his neck and neck with a guy named Jerry Perp drank who lives down the hall.

As to how they ended up on Vine Street, he seems uncertain. It's weird, right? Like fucked up, Logan said. I went to the apartment on Vine Street for a few days to visit Logan and experienced the life of an internet celebrity. The apartment complex, which has various checkpoints requiring a resident code to access, is a little confusing at first. I got stuck on the elevator twice. But when I finally made it up to Logan's apartment, which he shares with his brother Jake, I was nearly swept off of war by a smiley light-haired, light-haired, six-foot one boy next door, star of the football team.

We do hugs here, Logan exclaimed. He's not going to fuck you, dude. It's so fucking weird. It's pretty weird. He is. He is. He's a handsome guy. It's like a handsome fridge.

We do hugs here, Logan exclaimed, as he welcomed me inside. In the entryway, I was confronted with a massive photo of Logan, Jake, and a bunch of unrecognizable social media stars on the wall, all posing in a riff on the biblical Last Supper. It's called the Last Selfie, Logan tells me. Do you get it? Yeah, I'm not going to read the whole thingthing, but like this is just, it's such a point in time of this genuinely insane thing that it sounds like it's kind of happening again with

TikTok stuff or I guess it's... Yeah, I mean good for them, it's impressive, but I'm so glad I'm not a teenager right now. I've been having like a few of those moments lately of seeing stuff and just not being able to understand it at all and be like, oh fuck, this is what it feels like. Yeah, I'm definitely getting to that stage. My, uh, I play fortnight with my nephew, who is like 13, and uh, he wants to be a YouTube star, that is his dream and goal in life. Sure. So that's great to hear. But he's always so shocked when I, when th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thuo-I thu-I thu-I thu-I thu, thu, thu, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi's thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii's thiii's thi's thi's thi, thi, that's great to hear. But he's always so shocked when I when I do know things from the internet, like all the vines that I know. Because I've seen vines. Like I've been on the internet for a long time. I've seen all the vines and he's always like, how do you know that meme? Where did you hear that meme? He clearly thinks I'm extremely ancient. He thinksthinks that like the internet is this whole little teen world, but you know in some senses, it sure is.

Yeah, I mean they're I feel like their inscrutable meme game is like light ears ahead of ours. Every now and then I'll just like say something and just be like not even going to try to understand this. Yeah, it's like a whole other level of humor that I'm never going to understand it and like my nephew was just like laughing his ass of he thinks it's so funny. But at the same time, it was like it's a rapper called I think 100 gecks? Is that? I don't know what, anyway, but... Someone at home is listening and they're like, fucking idiots. Don't even know the latest 100 gecks. Oh wait, sorry, it's it... Someone at home is listening and they're like, fucking idiots. Don't even know the latest 100 gecks. Oh, sorry, it's not one person, it is a musical duo.

Anyway, I like, the song sounded like absolute fucking ass to me, and then I saw a bunch of people about my age of the comments being like, this sounds like shit and just like 50, 20 year olds being like, lull, you're so old. And I was like, oh god, fuck. I'm gonna have to pretend to like this to be cool, aren't I? Oh, God. God, now that's how I think of Gen X is how they think of us. Yeah.

That's really, it's an upsetting. It sure does. I'm worried that I'm getting to a point a a point a point a point a point where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where to a point to a point to a point to a point to a point to a point to a point with boomers for deliberately choosing not to understand stuff that young people like because it does feel good. Just being like... It really does. I don't get it and I don't want to know. I don't care. I've already got enough things. That feels quite nice but also I fucking hate it when people older than me did that. So hard to say which is the correct approach to take. Just thine thine thine thine that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi that thi thi thi thi thi thi that thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho-I tho-I tho-I tho-I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is that that that th is that th is that that thi thi that thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to too-i too-i too-i too-i too-i too-i the is the is thi the is the correct approach to take. Mmm, just time sure does roll on. If anything we've said, it makes us sound extremely out of touch and like crotchety old

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I will get into TikTok. I'm gonna have a browse. I feel like I don't need to actually get Tick Tock because everything is cross-posted to other platforms? That's true. It's like I can just watch the best Vines on YouTube. Why would I ever have looked at Vine? Absolutely. Like and it seems like the platform is set up for people to share the videos to other things. Like it's such a weird idea to me that it's not like... I don't know, it's just a different paradigm to how the other things work. I am seeing some Tick-Tucks on Twitter.

From people, our age. Like fucking people on Facebook also love to cross-post tweets as well. I guess that's just how people do stuff there. I just saw one of your tweets posted on my Facebook from someone in Hawaii, you know, just like a screenshot of your tweet. It's very bizarre experience when things like this happen. Oh, that's weird. Every now and I'll have like one of my friends will tag me in a Facebook post they've seen where it's like a screenshot of one of my... Same. I'm like, please don't tag me. I simply do not tha. This is something that we didn't end up thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. that. thin. thin. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. that. thi. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's very. It's very. th. th. th. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thumb is that if something sits in the notes for like more than two episodes without actually getting used, I just delete it quietly and then cry about it.

But there was one where I had spent like a couple of hours going through the Polyamory sub-readet for just how people are dealing specifically with coronavirus. And then the immense cell phone that happened to me after doing this for like hours of like scrolling all the way back to like a month ago or whatever was someone having shared a screenshot of one of my tweets and just be like a bit vulgar but he makes a good point. Where I was like oh no okay well that's me done for the day. Great. It's time to no okay well that's me done for the day great it's

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