Boonta Vista - UNLOCKED BONUS EPISODE: The Theo Philes XII - Dirigible Fever / Cryonic Youth

Episode Date: March 2, 2023

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Hello, it's me, Ben, from this podcast. What you're about to hear is an episode of Theophiles, which Theo and I recorded on December 30th of last year. That's the little spin-off series where Theo and I talk to each other about little tidbits from history and the sciences and all sorts of wonderful things. If you would like to maybe get these when they come out instead of waiting for however long it takes for us to put them on the free feed because we need a night off, consider signing up to the patron.

If you don't want to and you're happy waiting, great. That's tremendous. Thank you. Enjoy the episode. Bye. to see. Come ye all around the fire and listen all the while to tales of holes and mystery. We call the Theophiles. We call the Theophiles. Hello and welcome to Buonto Vista. This is part 12 of the Theophiles. I am Ben and I am here at the Blue Room Cinebar on Boxing Day of the year 2022, about 45 minutes into watching the science fiction adventure movie, Avatar 2, the Way of Water, having ingested an hour earlier one weed cookie with the friends with whom I am seeing the movie.

This patch of cookies, as yet untested by myself, the person who made them or anyone else, was made with weed oil also of an unknown strength outside a report from the mother of the person who made the cookies that it made her quote too high and she could no longer use it. The onset of the edible having already taken me to the pleasantly familiar languorous stupor and confusion of a strong dose of a strong dose of a strong dose. I find myself entirely unable to move. The giant box of popcorn, an expensive novelty avatar-themed cocktail I purchased, sit in front of me untouched. My ability to

determine what's happening in the movie has progressed from a simple inability to follow the plot to a more alarming inability to translate the 2-D images moving in front of me to the real-life 3-D counterparts that they represent. More alarmingly I find my ability to see it all is diminishing. The image on the screen is slowly growing darker. No one in my peripheral vision, for at this juncture I cannot turn my head, appears disturbed by this development. So I must conclude that it is happening only to me. As the image grows ever more dim, the colour palette in which I see the world becomes more limited. What little I can still see of the screen has lost its former dynamic range,

it appears to me to be somewhat posterized, rapidly moving blobs of only three or four colors doing an incomprehensible dance in the near darkness. Soon, this too is taken from me. The room dims to nothing. Not the suggestive darkness of an unlit room, but a total absence of sight. Whether I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have the the s I have I have a s I have a s I have a sa the sa. the sa. the sa. the sa. the sa. their the se. the sue, their their their their their their their their their their their their their the suggestive the suggestive the suggestive the suggestive the suggestive the suggestive the suggestive the sue. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the thoom. thoom. the. the. the. theo theo theo theoo theoo theo theo theo theo theo theo theo the the become stuck in a position that is cutting blood flow to my brain or some other stranger explanation, I find I have become cut off entirely from my censoria. No sight, no sound, no sense of sitting in a chair at the cinema, no sense of being connected to a body at all. I know you peahold yourself. While a small, rational

part of my brain is attempting to remind me that people don't die from weed overdoses and that I am simply too high at the movies. The latter part of my brain is convinced that I'm either on the verge of death or that I have already died. I cannot move. I cannot scream to make my plight known. Although if I'm already doing these things, I have no idea. I think perhaps I am not, though, as the part of me that doesn't want to die is being overridden by the part of me that doesn't want to make a scene. I resign myself to my fate, reflecting on the awkwardness and absurdity of dying in my early

30s from eating too much weed oil at a screening of Avatar to the Way of Water. And then, a glimmer, light, sound, the feel awareness to ride out the rest of Avatar to the way of water while reckoning with the crushing pain of my own mortality. With me also is Maddie who is sitting next to me having the exact same experience but doesn't normally smoke weed. It's Theo. Hi, Theo. Yeah, it's a bit like that. Are you? Are you? Yeah, we, um, so there were four of us there. Uh, three of us had one cookie, one of us had two. Oh! And none of us looked at each other in like the three hours of the movie.

But I could just hear the people in the row sort of occasionally hyperventilating. It was, it was a very bad experience. I've never heard that happen before. Genuitly I was like, oh I'm dead. I died. I've fucking died. I died at Avatar too. Way too high to be. I've never been anything approaching that. Well, I've been really high before. Like I've accidentally given myself, you know, far too many edibles or whatever, but I've always recognized the things that happened to me during that time. This like completely, it was horrifying. I don't, I was trying to, I couldn't tell anyone about it.

Yeah, because you were already about a lizard crane. But I was looking at Maddie and just being like, I went blind without being able to articulate the unbelievable terror I experienced of just being a consciousness floating in a void for, could have been 10 seconds, could have been an hour. How does she go with this? She seemingly had a better time than I did, although she can't remember the movie at all. She's got no memory from the three hours that we were there. Some stuff happened.

She didn't remember any of the parts that were in water, in Avatar 2 the way of water, because that's about what the brownie kicked in. That was really upsetting. And then I, I, once I sort of got the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, th got, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, how, how, the, the, the, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thateeie kicked in. That was really upsetting. And then I, once I sort of got a little bit better towards the end, I became punishingly aware of the fact that soon the movie would end. And I would have to stand up and be around all these people. Yeah, and you'd have to start acting. And then, you'd have to start...

to do something. How do you walk? Is it it to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to to to to to to the to to do something. Providing agency. How do you stand? How do you walk? Is it okay to push some out of your way because you're really high? You need to leave the building immediately. Yes. And then the walk home was about 25 minutes and Maddie and I walked in complete silence because I couldn't... And you would have walked normally as well sort of moving one leg in front of the other like a normal person would have

just sort of bending your joints. Every single footfall. Gassing your valves. It was so conscious. Just such a conscious effort to just do one step. I felt like a toddler except that toddler had to walk two and a half kilometers. It was... Yeah. No braino. How are you? How was your boxing day? I'm good. We've not been up to much. We've just been sort of at, between home and the in-laws place with our two little munchkins. But they're going good. They're having a good time. Lots of presents. Christmas is different with children.

Yeah. I thought you're doing that whole, you and your anti-consumerism, not a minimal amount of gifts. We got so many gifts. Oh no, so many little pieces of plastic trash to throw directly into landfill. Despite your desperate pleas to your in-laws and your family to not do that. That's, uh, falling on, not just deaf ears, but like noise cancelling ears, so they repulse any kind of concept like that. Um, but no, we're having a good time. We're probably just gonna have a little quiet one for the rest of the new year and I'm back, back at work onthe third which is nice. Maybe we could do something on Tuesday maybe if you don't have

any plans but we can we can take this one offline. We don't need to plan our week although I'm sure people get something out of it. Because we've got an episode to record. Hey Ben! Hey have you ever wondered what it's like to walk a mile a mile in the opposite sexes shoes? Um, yes, but I've watched some very interesting documentary videos on the issue. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas I haven't. Let's talk about airships. Um, so... So...

I loved originables. Um, but not in a... Not in a sincere way, because they are fucking stupid as well. Well, they're very slow. I think that's the thing about a derigible. We'll get into that. And they sort of seem like more fiction than real, although they absolutely existed, because like I think our interaction with them is more through fictional means than non-fiction right? Yeah we see Sky Captain in the

World of Tomorrow and the derigibles docking at the top of the Empire State Building you go well there's no way that they docked derigibles at the top of the Empire State Building that's right well they would have had to build a mast up there and certainly for that. And sort of a sliding doors moment where these could have been, if nothing more, than just like cruise ships, like the COVID bearers. See that does, well it sounded nice until he said the COVID bearers, but I would love to go on a slow Zeppelin to China. Yeah. Imagine. To Indo China. Gin fizzers on your way to the Orient while you're traveling at a steady three knots over the Atlantic Ocean? Wait, no, I've taken really the slow, the slow as possible route to China.

You're on a slow airboat to China. Should we take the A to B route? No, I was thinking we take B to Z. Yeah. So I'll give us a selected history of of airships. So I think it like really got kicked off in earnest by a Frenchman by the name of Henry Giffard who was the first person to make an injured powered flight when he flew 27 kilometers in a steam powered airship. Steam powered airship. What a combo.

So this was the most Simpsons last thing ever to fly. So it was a 44 meter long balloon which was shaped much like we imagine a Zeppelin today, right? That's half a football pitch. It's not a small thing. And it had a little chair platform hanging from it, like a b, the b, the b. the balloon, the balloon, the balloon, th. th. the balloon, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the balloon, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. themed, themed, themed, thi. thea, themed, thoomea, thoome, themed, themed, themed, thi, tom. tom. tom. tom. tom, tom, tom, t, t, thi. So, t, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. It, th. It, th. It, thi. It, thi. It, thi. It's, the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. today, today, their, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, tod Man, that's huge. And it had a little chair platform hanging from it, like a bunch of wires hanging from a beam, hanging from the balloon, which on which the pilot and the steam engine sat, which had to be carefully managed so that the fire in it did not set fire to the balloon, which was of course filled with hydrogen. Now hydrogen is a completely inert gas. No, that's helium.

Ah, I can see the problem about that. Hydrogen's the one that sets fire all the time. The whole 27 kilometer journey took three hours. And he wanted to do a return journey, but he couldn't fly against the headwind, so which was like five knots. Well, you could have waited. Yeah. So skipping forwards to exactly 19 hundredths, we saw, uh,, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, to, to, to, to, the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, hydrogen, the hydrogen, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen, hydrogen's, hydrogen's, hydrogen's, hydrogen's the hydrogen's the hydrogen, hydrogen's the the the the the the headwind, so, which was like five knots. Well, you could have waited. Yeah. So skipping forwards to exactly 1900s, we saw, to exactly 1900 the year, we see the big dog of derigible's emerge, the Zeppelin, largely funded and imagined by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin, we don't, you know, we just don't name them like that anymore. I think it was a num de Zeppelin. I think he invented the Zeppelin and saw how popular it was. And they thought, you know what?

I'm changing my name. Everyone knows me as the Zeppelin guy anyway. Previously it was Frederick von Aircraft. And he was like, ah, it doesn't have to be a rich guy. The Z-1, which is a bit the the the the the the the the their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, th, and I, and th, and th. And th. And th. And th. And th, and th. And th, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. And, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I, I, I. Yeah, I, I'm. Yeah, I'm. It. It's, I'm, that, I'm, that. It's, that. It's, that. It's, that. It's, that. It's, that. It's. Yeah, I'm,, and then followed by LZ2 and Z3, which are a bit better. What does the L stand for? Lead, I think. Red Z-Z, from them. So, Z2 and Z3 were a bit better, but they just sort of like todderee totted around Germany extremely, carrying dignitaries who, going like, oh, oh, thus, etc. So forth, so on. And so on. And so on. And so on. And so on. And they. And they. And they. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They, they. They, they. They, they, they, they, they, they, what, what, they. What, they, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, the. What. What. the. the. their. their. their. their. their. their. they. they. they. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They they. They, they. They they. They they they're, they're, they're they're just, they're they're just, they're they're just, they're just, their their their their their their their, zaa, etc. So forth, so on. They followed this with LZ4 or Untitled in 1908.

God damn it, come on now. And if you're under 30, go fuck yourself. Don't even talk to me until your bones hurt. So they built LZ4 in 1908, which was built to satisfy a funding requirement for a 24-hour flight from the Reichstag. So, which it did, well, it tempted, but it was just a series of fuck-ups. So shortly after it began, one of the engines ran out of fuel, and so they had to stop the engine. And I assume they knew that this was going to happen because there was only so much fuel in each tank per engine.

And they just had to like run fuel around from engine to engine. I don't know. But it had to be stopped. But currently it was daytime, which meant that the airship was flying lighter because the sun on the skin would inflate the balloon making it big and round and so it was it was relying on the engines being pointed downwards so when they stopped the engine shot up to 820 meters and then they've got all of these like pressure valves which would just like whenever it went like too high yeah so it lost a bunch of gas and that happened three more times until it lost so much gas that it was relying on the engines now to point upwards and keep it afloat. So eventually it was tethered to make repairs to the forward engine which had suffered

from a melted crank and I've got question marks there in the document. During the afternoon it was it was torn from its moorings by a strong wind, which will be a repeat appearance in this episode. Have you ever heard that the Mitch Headberg joke about escalators? Yeah. That they can never be broken they can only temporarily become stairs. Sorry for the convenience. Sort of the opposite of a sapling.

So a bunch of soldiers tried to hold it down, which is, again, very funny. Manver seplin, who will win? But they failed, and I assumed they all went, whoa! It kind of got like tragged along the ground for a little bit, comically. But there was one guy on, left aboard who brought it back to Earth. I assume maybe the janitor. I don't know. This is his time to shard. Absolutely, and he did. He brought it back. That's incredible. And I'm going to quote from Wikipedia here,

Unfortunately, the ship came into contact with a half-dead pear tree while landing the Zeppelin's natural enemy. It's just a funny, it's just a funny craft. It's a funny aircraft. It's a funny aircraft. You're dead. So Kevin's contact with a half dead pear tree while landing, which damaged some of the gas bags and it immediately caught fire. The cause of ignition was later ascribed to static charge being produced when rubberized

cotton of the gas bags were torn. So effectively, if you haunt a Zeppelin too hard it catches the aircraft. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it the air. It, it's the to to to the the th. It's th. thi. the thi. thi. thi. the the thi. thi. thi. the thiole, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th thi. thi. Why thi. Why thi. Why thi. Why thi. Why thi. Why thi. Why thi. Why the, the, the, the can can't theateateaughe, the, the theateatea the the theaugh, the, the, the charge being produced when rubberized cotton of the gas bags were torn. So effectively, if you haunt a Zeppelin too hard, it catches fire. Right? Like, you've got to keep track of all the electrons, where they are, where they should be. Here's the funny part though. The disaster took place in front of an estimated 40 to 50,000 spectators and produced an extraordinary wave of nationalistic support for Zeppelot's work.

We love Zy-Shitty Craft! Why? Why? More? More? More? This is insane. Do you think they was just out of sympathy?

They're like, oh shit, he's going to have his feelings really hurt. Yeah. Unsolicited donations from the public poured in enough had been received within 24 hours to rebuild the airship and the eventual total was over 6 million marks. At last providing Zeppelin with a sound financial base for his experiments. So we need more Zeppelin's. What? So we need more Zeppelin's catching fire so he can build more Zeppelins. I just feel like public sentiment doesn't run that way anymore.

Like if you, people love seeing hubris fail. Yeah. So much. The only way to get like a big public outpouring of money is to be like a grandpa that someone took a photo of saying, no one turned up to Gang Gang's hamburger party and that everyone sends him $150,000 and go fund me for unclear reasons. I don't know. I mean we rebuilt one of the towers. Yeah. Been half-hast I only do one though. Yeah. Put you back into it. I think so.

Um. I think so. In Western Europe, meanwhile, Britain, France and Spain are starting to dip their horrible little European toes in the dirigible waters, when a little thing named World War I breaks out. A bit of a mistake, calling it World War I. Yeah, you're just setting yourself up for a franchise there. I would have called it the War to End All Wars. Or the Great War. Get some people in the door. That's the problem with the war. They should have called it, hey, the war that sucks real bad. And suddenly you won't

have so many people choosing to go fight in. Don't show up to this war. You will hate it unless you love trenchfoot. I mean some sort of trench foot freak. During this some German... During this some German... During this some Germans believed that the Zeppelin would be this incredible attack aircraft, which is pretty funny, because I don't know what they expected. Um, because all it could do is float around, like, so the seelin would be this incredible attack aircraft, which is pretty funny, because I don't know what they expected, because all it could do is float around, like soaking up small arms fire and pushing bombs out the window. Well, I'm sure there's no way that a bullet could ignite a Zeppelin. So apparently they were just largely immune.

The bullets would just go foot, put through and... It wouldn't like... There's no sort of middle... It's not a half-dead pear tree. Oh yeah, that's true. So it's really like using the machine guns on the... on those biplanes versus King Kong. Yes. It is.

And much like King Kong, the pressure on the inside is greater than the pressure on the outside. So it kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind like it kind like it kind like kind like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the bullet like the bullet like the bullet like the bullet like the bullet the bullet would like the bullet would like the bullet would like the bullet the bullet would like the bullet would the inside is greater than the pressure on the outside. So it kind of just forms a barrier against, so like the bullet would go in and out, but the, there was no real exchange of like air and gas. But the pressure on the, oh, sorry, no, I see what you mean, of course, yeah. The pressure on the outside is greater than the pressure on the inside because it's a less dense gas. Yeah, I didn't actually get a quote on that, so whatever the one is that makes us right. Wait, so just it, so it's lighter than air gas, which is crucial to the fact that it's buoyant. Yeah. But does the frame of the balloon have to be rigid? Oh okay

so I didn't actually put this in but there's three classifications for for aircraft. God you look so excited right now. I don't need notes for this I'm ready. Rigid which are the Zeppelins which which rely on a frame of aluminium, going all the way around. See, what if the bullet hit the aluminium frame, it caused a spark? I guess, but what's the chances of that happening? It's flashing yellow. Shoot for the guy in the Zeppelin.

No! No! Whatever says that in war, the greatest weak point of this amplot is the guy with a massive handle by moustache pulling on a series of arcane levers and boys, whistling a jolly tune to himself underneath. Well if you take him out, it's going to crash in 10 days. In 10 days, yeah. There's semi-rigid ones which are, sorry so the rigid ones you can put whatever the fuck you want inside the balloon right? Yeah.

There's semi-rigan ones which I believe the inside is actually the the gaseous part and it's just got like reinforcing stuff going around it but it doesn't need that there necessarily. And then there's non-rigid, which are the blimps we have today, where they are basically a balloon. Yeah. Full of helium. But they did find some use in anti-submarine warfare, which will also come back to, I'm not going to say when we're going to come back to this, but it's a, I'll hint that it's another war that happens a little bit after this one. Warcraft too, where you could use the gnome derigibles to spot the goblin submarines or whatever.

He could. Maybe there is a little kernel of truth too. And also if you click on a peasant in real life, he does say work work. He says zug-zug. Yeah, something need doing. So the Zeppelin company had forced under the Treaty of Versailles to build America a replacement for earlier Zeppelins that they built that was supposed to be war reparations for the USA, but they were sabotaged by the crew, it doesn't say why the crew sabotaged it. I don't know, maybe there was some sort of lingering resentment in Germany following

World War I. Didn't follow that up. But I love the idea that Germany fucked up so bad that they had to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. the. te. te. Wea. Wea. Wea. I's, te.e.e. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. I's, their, their, their, their, their that Germany fucked up so bad that they had to build a sorry Zeppelin. Yeah. And we will make it properly this time. I'm just kidding. I'm going to make it very badly. I'm going to send them a gay Zeppelin. Be sure to take it as fast as it can go as it can go on the first day. So that's how you'll break it in. So this was the US the US the US the US the US the US the US the US the US the US the US was the US the US was the US the US, so that's how you'll break it in. So this was the USS Los Angeles, which was used to do a bunch of testing, including...

That's the name of the Zeppelin? It has like a ship designation. Yeah, well, I guess they got to call it whatever the fuck they want. It's their... It's their Zeppelin. I'm the captain of the USS Los Angeles. Oh, it's like an aircraft carrier or a destroyer? A water? Yeah, it's never, yeah, not sure. Well. So, yeah, they used a bunch of experiments, it,

yeah, it did a bunch of experiments with it, including piloting the US's parasite aircraft program, which fucking whips, yeah, uh-huh. That face you're doing right now was the face I got when I clicked on the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, thi-uh, thi-uh, thi-nets, thi-uh, thi, thi, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not-n, not-n, not-n, not-nets, not, not, not, thui-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a, yeah, uh-huh. That face you're doing right now was the face I got when I clicked on the next two names in Wikipedia. It resulted in the construction of the USS Akron and the USS Macon, the first of which was the first purpose-built flying aircraft carrier, and it could hold four F9C Sparrow Hawk pilot fighter planes. It's just fucking it's doing...

Holy shit! Yeah, it's doing the fucking... Sky Captain the world of tomorrow is real. They're doing a Sky Captain. That's fucking amazing. What the fuck? Yeah. It was incredible.

What is it named after? Because the Acron is Akron, Ohio, obviously. Yeah, it was named after Akron, Ohio. But what about Macon? Macon, Ohio. It doesn't sound like a real place. No, I don't know. Anyway, it was eventually zapped by lightning and exploded off the coast of New Jersey, killing 73 of the 76 crew and passengers. Most drowned because there were no life jackets or life vessels. So they put those on the USS Macon.

So it too could be exploded by a storm off of California. Most of the crew were saved because of those measures. So you know, you've got to break some eggs before you realize you have to put little boats on. So the eggs don't. Before you have to realize the eggs need protecting. Yeah. It's making Georgia by the way, so if you've already written into us, go fuck yourself.

Yeah. Unless it was about something different. Oh and then it's so lovely to hear from you. So lovely to hear from you. So following World World World wa world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world catches dirigible fever. Bed rest and topical ointment. Directly on the penis. The Empire State Building finished in 1930, featured a docking mast at its top. What the hell? No vehicle ever docked there. Oh, come on!! Yeah there was a

photo op done with like a as a dirigible parked near it. But they never docked that. Yeah, but they never docked anything there. Did they ever dock anything at the Chrysler building? No notes on whether they docked any dirigible is that the Chrysler building. Okay, well if you have any leads, please write it about that. Wow, so that photo where it looks like the Zeppelin is kissing the tip of the Empire State Building. Kissing the tip. Yeah. Like your high school girlfriend. It's getting started. Not enough contact to actually do anything useful though. Still pretty tangilising. Yeah, tell your friends. She kissed the tea bro. God, that's a cool photo though,

even if it is staged. Yeah. It's just things were so much cooler in the 30s before everybody starved death. Yeah, it's also a shame about, you know, everything else. Yeah, and everything else. This stage photo was paid for by crushing racial wealth inequality and after the back of slavery and everything. But, pretty cool. Pretty cool. So possibly the most successful of all derigible is a dirigible that's like fulfilling the promise of derigible fever. The fever dream was the LZ127 graph zeppelin, which was built in 1928. It was conceived by and piloted by, and it appears to be like exclusively by Dr. Hugo Echner, who is a super interesting guy all by himself, an anti-Nazi, did a whole bunch

of cool shit, but yeah, like, just seemed to be the guy that did the graph Serplin all of the time. So it made 590 flights, flew over a million miles. And this is really the vision of passenger airships. It was enormous, it was 236 meters long. What the fuck? Yeah. That's insane. Huge. Right? I think we've established previously on this very podcast that like, like, the the that, like, like, the. th... th. th. th. th. th. It, th. It, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. So, th. th. So, thi. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. the, it, it, it, it, it the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the thi, that's insane. Huge. Right? I think we've established previously on this very podcast that like the biggest container ships in the world are like 400 meters long. Yeah. Like this is an aircraft, right? Like if you stood it vertically next to, you know, the city skyscrapers or something, it's, you know, twice the height.

It's enormous, right? It's a really big boy. And it burned Blow gas instead of petrol, because Blow gas was closer to the density of air. Sorry, can you... Blow gas. And that is German for blue gas? No, I think it was named after a guy. Yohan von Blau? Yeah, Herman Blow. There you go. This is German for Herman blue. Yeah, similar to propane. So it's closer to air, so that means that they don't have to adjust the, the...

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At Stockholm, spectators launched firework rockets around it. Okay, well don't. Don't do that. And on the return flight from Moscow. It was punctured by rifle shots near the Soviet Union. Going to have another crack at that. It was, on the return flight from Moscow, it was punctured by a shots near the Soviet Union. Gonna have another crack at that. It was on the return flight from Moscow, it was punctured by rifle shots near the Soviet Union Lithuania border.

On one visit to Rio de Janeiro, people released hundreds of small toy petrol burning hot air balloons near the flammable craft. Again, you're kind of just sending little fuses at an enormous bomb containing people. But yeah, it could fly around the world at a speed of over 100 kilometers an hour, which is, you know, faster than a ship. Yeah, nowhere near as fast as a plane. Yeah, because they travel at like, what, 900 kilometers now. Yeah, but still, that's the speed of a Fort Falcon A.U. Oh, I truly just, half the speed of Ford Falcon A.U.

Also, so I googled Graf Zeppelin because I wanted to see what this bad boy looked like. And the first result is for the German aircraft carrier called the Graf Zeppelin and I in a wild flight of fancy Briefly entertained that this was the undercarriage of the Zeppelin and that this was the craziest fucking shit I've ever seen Yeah, no, it's a so- Yeah named after the Zeppelin or the guy that? Yeah, named after the guy. Yeah, named after the guy. Yeah, the that. the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named after, named after, named, named, named, named after, named after, named after, named after, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named after, named, named, named, named, named, named, the, the the the the the the or the Zeppelin. Yeah, but it's still a cool. That's a big Zeppelin. Yeah Yeah. Um. Oh, right. Graph is the German title for Count. Count Zeppelin. Yeah, Count Zeppelin. Just still funny. So this thing could fly like at a reasonable speed, but it's still joke to me. Yes. Because joke things kept happening to it. It needed, every time it landed it needed a bunch of people to hold it down to the ground to kind of like drag it into a hangar or what have

you. Sometimes that they, fuck I didn't get this on on my notes but I remember one time it it stopped in Brazil somewhere, they spent like two hours there, you know, restocking and passengers like stretching their legs and that sort of stuff. And the whole time they needed people to hold it on the ground for two hours. They're just like holding this piece of shit to the floor. You can't fucking tie it to something? You've not got bollards? Find a bollard. Well, they tied it to to to to to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff to stuff toe it the stuff toe it toe it the stuff toe it toe it toe it toe it to stuff to stuff to stuff tooer their their stuff too too too their stuff their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the got bollards? Find a bollard. Yeah, well they tied it to stuff

too, but that was not always a reliable measure. So it stanked the whole time because of the blower gas. Oh of course. That smelly blougass. It was fitted out with a luxury art deco cabin for its 20 passengers, but it was at ambient temperature and pressure the whole time, so it was just freezing. It was just cold, like it was just fucking, it was the temperature of sky air. So you're just freezing the whole fucking time. Wow. Yep. Yep. Um, has Stowaway on one flight who was discovered in the mail room, once transported Susie, an eastern gorilla. It nearly hit on. It nearly hit power lines taking off, nearly crashed into the ground during a hailstorm. It made a visit to the century of progress, World's Fair in Chicago in 1933. It had swastickers painted on the left side of the fins, so Echner piloted it so as to present

the other side. the fins, so Echner piloted it so as to present the other side? Oh, that's like a... Look at this side! Look at this side, this side only! Do not... It's so horrible. The other side holds nothing of interest. So it's symmetrical? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, bilateral symmetry.

German engineering? symmetry falls away. Once you've seen one side, you can simply imagine the reverse in your head. Oh, it was absolutely wonderful piece of shit. But in 1937, the Hindenburg ruined it for everybody. Oh, come on. You cowards. So, the Germans had no helium supply. The U.S. had a stranglehold on helium, which I think was largely produced as a byproduct of their nuclear weapon program.

Mm-hmm. So, the Germans, basically to just shut it all down. No one wanted to fly them anymore. So they still then had military use in World War II. They got, everyone got started again. They picked it all up again. So it where they left off. They were again used as an anti-submarine craft, largely by the Americans, who had 10 of

them at this point. And they were being pested the whole time time to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly to fly. to fly. to fly. to fly. to fly.. the the the the Americans, who had 10 of them at this point, and they were being pested the whole time by German U-boats, you know, the world over. So this led to the most civilization to ask battle in the in history, when the dirigible K74 was patrolling coastline near Florida, when it detected a submarine made an attack run at the submarine, did not manage to release its death charges, and then was shot down by the submarine. It just feels like the Zeppelin has the home field advantage. Float up, Gypshits.

All of this is ours. They have, what, 70% of the world's surface, sure, you have the entire sky. You have the rest of the universe. That's yours. Yeah, you've got the Z-axis. They can't take the sky from you. Yeah, no they can if they shoot you with a big gun on the top. And now you're there tof, turfed turfed their turfed turfed turfed their turfed turfed turfed their turfed their tu you're there tof bitch. Yeah. So it crashed into the ocean whereupon one crew member was eaten by a shark. Oh god. Damn. They did have success protecting convoys though, right?

So eventually, you know, due to the ongoing like desperation of the Germans, German U-boats, they started their, their program of actually, you know, destroying passenger ships and cargo ships, etc. And so they started putting them all in convoys, and the convoys that had Zeppelins were basically never touched. I shouldn't say, I shouldn't say, I shouldn't say Zeppelins, the American dirigible, were basically never touched by submarines, right? because they had had had the depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth depth they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they had their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th...................................... they, they, they, they, they had depth charges, they were all kind of... You could spot with an incredible radius, I assume that's...

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That's fucking amazing. There's probably like 10 blimp pilots. And like half of those are remote right? The Goodyear blimp is a fucking drone. There's not a guy in the Goodyear blimp. Yeah. Hang on, hang on. And they can't even get rid of them if they're racist. They're a guy in the good year blimp. Yeah. Hang on for me. And they can't even get rid of them if they're racist. In the good year blimp. Doesn't say if there's a guy in there. I don't think there's a guy in the good year blimp. Fly inside the good year blimp. There's a guy inside the good year blimp. Now Theo. I think that's just to give it some, um, some stakes. If the the the the the the the the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good the good the good. the good. the good. the good. there's. there's. there's. there's. there's. There's. There's. there's. there's. there's. there's. there's. there's. there's. there's. there's. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the good. the the the the the the good. G. G. G. G. G. G. the the the the the good. G. G. the the good. G. the the good. G. the the good. G. G. G. the the that's just to give it some, um, some stakes if it crashes. Yeah, otherwise it's just, well, who cares? It's a bloomer. Who cares? Yeah. You don't want to kill, you don't want to kill Gary.

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You were talking about Derigibles, Zeppelins and Blimps and things of that nature. On that note, if you had to guess how many people do you think are cryonically frozen right now? Fuck. Globally, in the world. We've got one Walt Disney. Maybe. That's a myth. He's not frozen. He was cremated. It was cremated. Did they freeze his ashes? I might have put his ashes in a freezer, but I don't think that counts as cryonic suspension. There's got to be some nutters right? But it's expensive. It is expensive. It is expensive. Just as a vague overview of what the process is like. So obviously you can't just take a regular human body, chucked in deep free and so you're done. Because the, much like putting... I actually don't have a comparison for this. this this this this this this this this this this this. F the the the the the the the the there. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. Fuck is, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's there's there's there, there's there's there, there's there's there, there, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there. Fuck is there. Fuck is there. Fuck is there. Fuck is there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's the, the, there's the there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's and say you're done because the much like putting, I actually don't have a comparison for this, but all the moisture in your body will

expand and it ruptures cells and then you're fucked, yeah. Yeah, and like it will tear apart the delicate membranes in your brain or whatever so, they have to... And that happens to me already so. And imagine if they did it at negative 160 degrees Celsius. Can't they just make it zero? Negative 96. Now it's got to be really cold. So my freezers run at like negative 20. And my chicken stays like rock hard in there.

You should put that to them. Okay. Have you triedto them. Okay. Have you tried running the freezers a bit hotter? Cut down on operating costs. The way they do it in modern times is they replace your blood and your other fluids with basically an anti-freeze mixture? No, that's mine! Yeah, well.

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Take a take a stab at a number of cryonically frozen people right now. I'm going to go with a hundred with around one hundred. That's's a pretty reasonable guess. So there isn't no one publishes an exact number on this but I have got some numbers here so people finding out. There are 229 bodies chronically frozen at the Cryonics Institute in Clinton, Michigan alongside 228 pets. There's another 30 bodies that are also stored there frozen, but being done by the American Cryonic Society who rent space from them. There's another 201 frozen bodies at the Alcor Life Extension Foundation facility in Scottsdale, Arizona. Yeah.

There are 87 frozen bodies and 50 frozen animals at the Cryoruse Cryonics facility in Moscow. This includes a chinchilla that had suffered lethal head trauma while playing and was put into... Oh my goodness. Yeah, suspended animation. There are at least 12 people frozen at the Yinfeng Life Science Research Institute in Chinan, China. There are eight bodies and four pets frozen at the Oregon Cryonics facility in Salem, Oregon. There are five people frozen at Transtime Inc. in San Leandro, California. There is a new facility that just got built in Switzerland by the European Biostasis Foundation, but it's not clear if they've actually put anyone in yet.

The Southern Cryonics facility in Holbrook, New South Wales is meant to open sometime now-ish, but so far they don't have anyone there. That's in Holbrook, New South Wales. It's got that submarine. Oh. You ever seen the submarine in Holbrook? No. They got a submarine up there that you can explore and climb around on land. On land? On land? Yeah. So all in all we're looking at about 550 people in total. So you're in the sort of right order of magnitude. Yeah. Which is mostly in America, I notice. They must really suffer, I think, from being untethered from the mortal coil, which happens to us all.

Well, I think it's also that they just don't like regulating things over there. And they're actually quite a lot of rules about what you can do with dead bodies in most countries. Yeah very very easy to freeze someone over there. Yeah. Okay. At the moment, they reckon there's about 2,000 people globally signed up to have it done to them when they die. Yeah. So you sign up with one of these companies as a customer or a patient, they call you a patient, which I find very, very th. th. th. the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. Yeah, very very very, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, very, thi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thi. I thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah. Yeah, thi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they call them. After your death, they call you a patient, which I find very, very funny because you're dead. Yeah. And you'd be very patient at that point. Infinitely.

The prices tend to range from around $50,000 to $200,000, although they do often have the option of you can just make the cryo facility a beneficiary of a life insurance policy in your name? Yeah. So you know they get all that money. Now that's a fun runway isn't it right? Like that they have to discover a way to unthaw you before that money runs out. Like what? Money, the last dollars come out of our bank account. Time to shut off the freezers and walk out the front door. They sort of have to guarantee that they can do it in perpetuity because as all of them

say in their legal disclaimers, there is no technology that exists to revive people. Yeah. From cryonic freezing. Which is great if you're a fan of hanging upside down for an indeterminate amount of time frozen. Yeah, after you die. You know what's fucking crazy is that yeah. So this started in like the 60s and 70s and we'll get into that but we are 50 years removed from that now which I bet is well beyond what these people thought would be the threshold for where the technology would get there.

Like, surely. So, obviously, a lot of the cost is just that it's long-term care. They need to keep the power on and the liquid nitrogen topped up for as long as it takes, which is why they're asking for six figure amounts of money. The longest continuously chronically preserved body is that of a man named James Bedford. He died of kidney cancer at the age of 73 on January 12th, 1967. He's been frozen in various different tubes now for 56 years. What do you mean various different tubes?

Well he's been moved around. OK. They freeze them in a tube? Hmm? Well, they put them in these like sealed steel tubes that are essentially like vacuum flasks. Oh, they have to be kept very, very cold. I was imagining that big, uh, that big freezer room from half life. Yeah, that seems thi be more efficient, but I turned out hang them in there like

Like Livestock you're gonna like where this goes I think okay So Bedford our man who's been in the tube for 56 years he was frozen by a team composed of three people physician and biophysicist Dr. Dante Brunel uh incredible. I mean, what else are you gonna call yourself?? the? th. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thee thee thee the the the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeean theean thee ician and biophysicist Dr. Dante Brunel. Uh-huh, incredible. I mean, what else are you going to call yourself if you're doing this? Chemist Robert Prahoda. Mm-hmm. And television repair man, Robert Nelson.

It gets very boring in there. I've got to make sure they got something for people to do. Now we're mostly going to be talking about television repairman Robert Bob Nelson. Nelson, who had no scientific background whatsoever, went to the first meeting of what would become the Chronic Society of California in 1966 after hearing an ad for it on the radio and he was immediately elected president at the first meeting. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the telea? telea? telea? telea? telea? tele? tele? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tele? television? television? television? television? television? television? television? television? television? television? television? television? television? the the radio and he was immediately elected president at the first meeting. Why? Why? Why?

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be frozen. So despite the fact that they weren't prepared to do this at all, they didn't have all the chemicals at hand. They didn't have a proper facility set up. They went ahead with it because Bob Nelson figured that even if they lost the scientific advisors, they'd still be making a huge leap forward in cryonics being the first people to do it properly. Yeah. I mean, hard to know what's properly as well. Yeah, well yes, because that's the science isn't really there. Now, at this point, only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only o o o o' o' o' o' o' the their their their their their, because the science isn't really there. At this point, only one other person has been frozen, but she didn't have the perfusion done where they replace your, you know, your body liquids

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Better luck with James Bedford. They did this at his son's house. They were borrowing ice from people on the street, like neighbors, to keep the body cold while they were preparing it. Big scientific lift, uh, step forward, I guess. Yes. The first ones to do it right. They're basically stepping on to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thodod thod the thod guess, to be the first ones to do it right. They're basically stepping on to the mine. Door knock. Step two, door knock for ice.

Yeah, that's right. After they finished the perfusion, the body was then stored in a garage inside a wooden crate filled with dry ice. But it was eventually turned over to, back to Bedford's family, so his son and his son managed to keep to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to the the the the the the to keep him him the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their the the the their their their the moom. So the moom. Step the moom. Step the mine the mine, step the mine the mine the mine the mine the mine the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theed over to back to Bedford's family, so his son, and his son managed to keep him stored in a liquid nitrogen cooled tank until the 90s when he was handed to another professional cryomics facility, then he was handed back to the, well handed to the Alcor facility in Phoenix, Arizona. So he's been all the places that a dead body in a frozen tube can go. Yeah. But this thing, this you know famous first freezing, the longest freeze man, is not the thing that made Robert Nelson famous.

So the thing you have to know about the Cryonic Society of California, as you can maybe guess from the fact that I had a TV repairman as its president, was that this wasn't like a group of scientists and technicians who wanted to do cryonics, who were interested in like figuring out the science of it. It was a group of people who wanted to have cryonics done to them. So these were all people that wanted to be frozen on their death. And the reason they were thinking about this is because quite a lot of them were close to death.

So they were either quite sick or they were very old, unlike Nelson, who was quite young. And so it only took six months after getting the call to freeze Bedford that one of their members died. A woman called Marie Sweet. Having no proper storage facilities and no real money to speak of, they did the same thing with Marie where they froze her and then they kept her in a wooden box lined with polyurethane that in turn was kept in a garage attached to a mortuary. The box was...

They did the perfusion thing. They did the perfusion thing, yes. To her as well. Yeah, so they did it properly insofar as they were doing things properly. And then they kept her in a wooden box. Do you have any more details about like... Because I'm just picturing like an oil change here where they kind of get the tray, them over the tray. Yeah, so... And they don't say they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they have they they have they have they have their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they have their they have their they're their their. Do. Do their. Do. Do their. Do their. Do they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're kept their. Do th. th. the. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. the. the. the. the in there, but they did say that they have to apply a lot of rapid chest compressions to get the liquid circulating through the body. So I assume they're just whacking her with a rubber mallet at various key arteries around the body, just to really get that antifreeze going everywhere. So Nelson's job at that point became to top up the dry ice every week and that was keeping her in a state of suspended animation, wooden box, polyurethane, garage, literally a garage for cars.

And then shortly afterwards, Chronic Society of California member Helen Klein dies. She was also put in a wooden box lined with polyurethane that was kept in a garage attached to a mortuary. Yeah. At this point they're stacking up. Well, sort of, because it was the same wooden box. So he couldn't afford to buy dry ice. So he couldn't afford to buy dry ice enough to keep two boxes cold, so it was like, well, fuck it. I'll just put both of them in the same, the the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, and thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, th just put both of them in the same the same box that means I only have to get the same amount of dry ice

good mean makes sense bingo you know less less air to keep cool the system works this point the mortician is starting to get sick of having the bodies in a box in his garage because he's pretty sure it's illegal and he doesn't really like what's happening there. And so he is slowly working on getting Bob Nelson to get rid of them. Although it hasn't happened yet, but at this point a man named Russ Stanley, who was also a member of the Cryonic Society of California dies. And of course, he can't afford another box or more ice.

So he goes into the box with Marie and Helen. So Russ, Marie, Helen, they're all in wooden box, dry ice, topped up once a week. Frozen sardines. Now, at this point Bob Nelson gets kind of excited because Russ Stanley was quite wealthy. He was quite a wealthy man. And Nelson was under the impression that Stanley was just going to leave all of his money to the Cryonic Society to keep everyone frozen in perpetuity. But...

Yeah, it kind of wanted to be frozen. So you think maybe he'd want to stay frozen. Throw on a little bit of money. It turns out, no. From Bob Nelson's own claim, so I don't know about the veracity of this, Stanley left nearly all of his money to his neighbor, who was a gentleman that he had a romantic relationship with, called Mr. Coco. Hell yes. Except for five grand in the immediate aftermath and then another five grand that would be paid out in three months that would go to the Cryonic Society. It's still, I mean, look, you know, it's 1960s money.

Ten grand, that'll buy you, say, a partially underground vault in a cemetery in Chatsworth, California. Oh. Which is exactly what he bought, incidentally. If you're in the market for such a thing. Yeah. So he gets the vault, but at that point he's not doing anything with it. He's keeping the three bodies wooden box garage. And then he gets a phone call. A woman in Detroit who is being paying to have her frozen dad stored in a facility in Arizona has run out of money to pay for the storage and the liquid nitrogen and is being threatened with having the metal container her dad is in thrown out onto the street. So Nelson says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thi-i-i-a-a-i-i-i-i-i-a-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a, thu-a, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi-a, thi-a-i-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thr-s, thr-s. thro'-s, thro'-n-n-n'-n'-n'-n-a-a-a-s, thi-a-a-s, threatened with having the metal container her dad is in thrown out onto the street.

So Nelson says, yeah, absolutely. I have a place that I could keep your metal capsule if you want to give it to me and then we've got a box. Well so you got a body. Doesn't tell her about, or shows her as a series of concept drawings of a very futuristic looking underground laboratory, filled with like, what I initially pictured when I was thinking about, you know, cryonic tubes was like those alien or 2001 style ones where it's like a glass tops tube. Yeah, yeah, 100% there's a bunch of scientists checking readouts and dials. That's what he shows her. Yeah. But... It's good to have aspirations.

Yeah, whereas... And they went in something like that? Instead, what he actually has is just a square hole in the ground in a cemetery, but he doesn't tell her that. So Nelson says, yeah, absolutely, I will take that capsule off you. So the capsule is an actual... Well, actual, I don't know what that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that capsule off you. So the capsule is an actual, well actual, I don't know what that means in this context, but it is a purpose-built cryo chamber. It is a big metal container with a vacuum layer between the outer layer of metal and then on the inside goes a body which is cooled by liquid nitrogen that you know

needs to be topped up as it sort of boils off. Yeah, gotcha. So he takes that, he puts it in the cemetery and then when it arrives he hires a welder, he gets the welder to open that welded shut capsule with a blowtorch. He takes the three bodies from the wooden container, puts them into the metal container alongside the woman's frozen dad and then seals it back up. And he has not told the woman whose dad it is about this in any way, shape or form. Look, I mean, those are implementation details. Yeah. They don't necessarily need to know. Yeah, even though every single body involved in that process will have thought out a little bit during the transfer process. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't need to know. Yeah, even though every single body involved in that process will have thawed out a little bit during the transfer process. Yeah. But she doesn't need to know about it so it's fine. Now theoretically at this point he is sitting pretty right? He's got his nice vacuum layer container cooled

with liquid nitrogen instead of dry ice. So theoretically he only needs to to top it up weekly like he used to. Yeah. Except it turns to to to to to the tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha to to to to to to to to to to to to to th-o-o-so. tho-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-so. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th th th-s th-s th-s th-s tho'-n-n-nup thneneu. thneu. to-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-s, th-s th-s. to top it up every few months instead of needing to top it up weekly like he used to. Yeah. Except it turns out it's quite hot in Chatsworth. And the vacuum pump is working too hard to keep the vacuum maintained and it keeps burning out. So once that, once the vacuum goes, it causes a little bit of the end of the capsule to pop out because it was held in by the vacuum. And that causes everything the nitrogen the the the the the the the to to to to to the to to the to the the to the to the the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the vacuum to to to to to to to to to to to to pop to pop it to pop to pop the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum. the vacuum. the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum. the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum. the vacuum the vacuum the vacuum the that causes everything to warm up drastically, which means the nitrogen is boiling off at a way fast rate than it was before. Yeah, and you kind of got like the end of the chicken when you defrost it. Yeah, that's what you've got. You've got a little, still frozen on the inside. Yeah, little bits.

Those little piggies are getting a little warm. And on top of that, more people keep dying. Nelson is then contacted by the parents of a seven-year-old girl who was on the verge of death, I think from cancer but I can't quite remember, and her parents and also the girl seemingly wanted to be frozen at the point of her death. So Nelson at this point has nowhere to put her, doesn't have any money. But from his own claims he's just very moved by her plight. He's become friends with this girl. They went to Disneyland or some shit, I don't know. That he goes, well, I have no way I can feasibly do this. I'm doing it. Yeah, I'm gonna make

do it. He takes possession of the body when the girl dies. He puts her in a wooden box lined with polyurethane that he tops up with dry ice in a garage in a mortuary. And then he gets another stroke of luck. So a man called Stephen Mandel, who was 24 years old when he died of enteritis and adrenal failure. He was the first person frozen by the Cryonic Society of New York. I don't quite know how these people managed to get in contact, but the life insurance policy that Mandel's mother had thought would pay to cover the cost of storing the body of Stephen with the Cryonic Society of New York never pays out. They dispute the claim.

And his body has been sitting with the Cryonic Society for four years. And the Chronic Society people have been paying for it out of their own pocket. They're running out of money as well and they're just like, look, we can't do this. You need to take this body somewhere else or we need to bury him. And this woman, Super Mandel's mother ends ends up talking to Bob Nelson who says, Yeah, absolutely, I'll take a capsule. This guy's never seen a body that he didn't like. Yeah, he's never seen a capsule that he didn't like. And at this point, sometime between the seven-year-old girl dying and getting Stephen Mandel's capsule,

he has also taken possession of the body of a 55-year-old woman from Des Moines, Iowa named Mildred Harris. She also has been stored classic style like the seven-year-old in a wooden box lied with pulley or thane topped up with dry ice in a garage. She has been there for two years at the time that he receives the body of Stephen Mandel. Gracious. Now Nelson had taken the th the of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of a of of a ofy of a ofy of a of of of a of of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a body of a of of of of of of of of to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th thi of a thi thi thi the the the the the the the thi the thi thi the thi the the thi thi the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi has been there for two years at the time that he receives the body of Stephen Mandel. Oh, gracious. Now, Nelson had taken, so had gone to Mildred Harris's home when she was about to die, and you know, with his team of quote, experts, they had done the perfusions and everything and frozen the body because they were paid $15,000 by her two sons on the proviso that he placed her in a state in a a a in a a state in a state in a state in a state in a state in a state in a state in a state in a state the state the state the state the state the state the state in a state the state the state in a state the the state the the the body because they were paid $15,000 by her two sons on the proviso

that he placed her in a state-of-the-art cryo chamber that he said he would buy specifically for her. Yeah, which he's definitely going to do. Definitely a hundred percent going to do. He was one thing we know about, old mate. Yeah. I mean he's on the level. She'll end up in a cryo chamber. He was also paid another six to to to to to to freeze to freeze to freeze to freeze to freeze to freeze to freeze to freeze the to freeze the the the level. She'll end up in a crychamber. He was also paid another six thousand dollars to disinter freeze and then store the remains of their father, Mildred Harris's late husband, Gaylord Harris, who had died, don't laugh, they would die a few buds prior. So he never had the perfusions or anything done to him. They just figure, hey, if the technology is that good in the future, maybe they'll still be able to get him. Yeah, we'll get the blood out at the end. Yeah, we will get the decomposing frozen remains, frozen decomposed remains of this man and

will revive him. Yeah. So, obviously neither of these things happened. So Nelson has the capsule that Stephen Mandel is in flown from New York, which is on the East Coast, to Chatsworth, which is on the West Coast, about almost as far aflied as you can do in the US. Now it's easy to fly a cryogenically frozen body across from one side of the country to the other. Well, it's quite interesting because it is quite easy. If you don't tell the airline that there's a dead body in the capsule, you just tell them you have a capsule and then hope they don't ask questions, which is exactly what it did. Yeah, hey, isn't it better if there's just a little bit of mystery around what's,

what's in the capsule? I would have asked questions if that was someone's checked baggage personally but I guess we're all different. Yeah. What year is this at this point? It's still the 60s? This is 1972. Yeah. At this point? You could bring your bomb on a plane at that point. You could Oh, sorry. I have my collection of bombs antique and he can't the tube the tube tube arrives and he puts it in the under in in in in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theyme, theyme, theyme, theyme, their. their. their. their. their. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tube arrives and he puts it in the underground, semi-underground vault and then he cuts it open. He adds the body of the seven-year-old girl and the body of Mildred Harris and then seals it back up. Now, this capsule is also faulty, just like the last one. It also turns out that the electrical hookup that he has

in the cemetery does not provide enough power to support the vacuum pumps on both capsules at the same time, barely enough to support the vacuum pumps on even one of them. Yeah, because the, I don't think they're probably, they're probably not equipped for this, right? The typical, typical body in a cemetery uses zero power. th even get some if you got some of those fancy like methane suckers There yeah, they're not they're not meant to run Super fridges Traditionally no pumps involved with the traditional body no few pumps in your average casket So these things are both sort of getting way too hot constantly.

And also, on top of that, the entire flight from New York to California, they obviously weren't plugged into 240 volts or whatever the fuck Americans are on over there. So it was just entirely without power and his body warmed up significantly and his body warmed up significantly when it was cut open to put the other two bodies in there. So like all of that means that all of these bodies have sort of been partially unthought and then re-frozen. Yeah, especially old maid on the plane who was already not in a great state. Like hopping in the world's longest elevator ride and then it stops at

the game's workshop level and a guy hops in and then someone welds the elevator closed. It's exactly like that. It's exactly like that. It's a cemetery. And on top of all that, it's believed from court records that came out later that Nelson just stopped maintaining one of them entirely, just a few months prior to the end of 1971, and just sort of let them decompose and then froze them again. So pretty cool. Yeah. Look, I've got a bunch of failed projects.

It's hard to can you play the man? During all of this, one of Mildred Harris's sons is regularly coming to California to visit his mother and father in the vault. Now at one point he affixes a plaque with Mildred's name on the cryo chamber that she shares with two other bodies that this man doesn't know about. But he also affixes a plaque with his father's name on the other.. Now. Now. Now. Now the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other th. Now. Now. Now. Now thu. Now thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu thu- to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the man. to the the the the enthusiasm the the enthusiasm. the the thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thean. toe. toe. toe. toe. to name on the cryo chamber that she shares with two other bodies, that this man doesn't know about. But he also affixes a plaque with his father's name on the other cryo chamber, which does not contain the remains his father at all and instead contains the remains of four strangers. So, luckily he only needs two plarks.

There's only two wet blankets coming in to see their dead relatives. Well yeah, so it's just it's the one guy and he apparently has no qualms with how the operation looks whatsoever at this point. Also I can't find specifically what did happen to Gaylord Harris's remains but the mortician who owned the mortuary his notes indicate that the disintered body was quote never perfused or frozen. So straight to land fill the mortician who owned the mortuary, his notes indicate that the disinterred body was quote, never perfused or frozen. So straight to land fill with Gay Lord Harris. Now in the meantime, while all this is happening, Nelson is also running another facility in Mount Holiness Cemetery in Butler, New Jersey, which by the time of 1974, when he washed

his hands of the operation, contained a single cryo chamber that held the bodies of two women, Dorothy Laban and Anne DiBlazio. Now, he just picked up and left from the New Jersey facility, leaving the care of the cryo chamber in the hands of Ann Ablacio's former husband, Nick DiBlasio. I'm going to read to you here from the dissertation, failed futures, broken promises, and the prospect of cybodenic immortality toward an abundant sociological history of cryonic suspension in 1962 to 197 by Grant Schofstall, which is where I've gotten most of the details of this story from. Here we go. The vessel was apparently modified to accommodate the needs of a bulk liquid nitrogen the the the the the the the the the the dis dis dis dis dis dis dis dis dis the dis the dis dis dis the dis dis. From the dis. From the dis. From the dis dis. From the dis dis dis. From from from from from from the distation, from from from from from from from from from from from from from from the distation, from the distation, from the distation, from the distation from the dissertation from the dissertation from the dissertation from the disstation, from the distation, from the dissertation from the dis dis distation, from the dis. From the dis. From from the dis the dis the dis the dis the dis the dis the dis the dis the dis the dis the dis dis. From from the dis. From, from the dis. From, from the dis. From, the distation, the distation, the distation, the distation, the distation, the diste. the diste. the diste. the diste. the diste. the diste. the diste. the diste. from the diste, from the diste most of the details of this story from. Here we go.

The vessel was apparently modified to accommodate the needs of a bulk liquid nitrin delivery service. Two quote fill pipes were added to the capsule, while the pipes expedited the filling process. By virtue of their connecting the inside of the storage vessel with the outside, they also served as a heat conductor. Yeah, so they're just going to... the vacuum is sort of gone now, no point. Yeah, yeah. And I mean pipes are probably metals so they're probably just super conductive. Super conductive. Not super conductive, but quite conduct. You know what? Yeah. We're not idiots. This had the effect of speeding up the rate of liquid nitrogen level boil off, which in turn had the effect of producing a cap of ice over the top of the vessel, the vessel, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, tho, tho, tho, the, the, the, the, thu, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, th, the, the, the, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thu, thu, thu, thu.. thu. thu. the, the, the, the, thi, their, the their, their, theyu.eau.ea'ea'ea'ea'ea'er, tooea'er, tipe, tipe, tipe, thu.p a cap of ice over the top of the vessel, making it difficult to open for inspection. In order to do so, the ice had to be chipped away.

On one occasion, DiBlasio or a liquid nitrogen service employee, it is not clear who, took a hammer and chisel to the ice, and in doing so inadvertently damage the vessel's vacuum seal, causing all the liquid nitrogen to rapidly deplete. Long before the damage was recognized, Dorothy and Anne thawed and begun to decompose. There is some record of an attempt to repair the vessel, but ultimately the remains of Anne and Dorothy removed from the MVE Forever flask and conventionally buried. Don't call it that. No. Don't give it that name. It's sort of a, for a little while, flask. For a short period flask. Oh my God. That's so grim. Yeah. Yep. That is nasty. Nelson wasn't done. So after he abandoned the Mount Holiness facility. What is this guy's problem? He froze two more bodies at Chatsworth, between 1974 and 1976, a man named Pedro Ladesma and an unnamed thi-a-a' thi. Oh, thi' that-g- thi, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, thi, oh, thi, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that, oh, oh, that, that, that, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, th, oh, oh, th, th, th, th, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. th.'s problem. He froze two more bodies at Chatsworth between 1974 and

1976, a man named Pedro Ladesma and an unnamed six-year-old boy who were stored together in the same cryo chamber. Both of them were thawed by the end of April 1979, along with everyone else that was in there. Although it may have happened much, much earlier with the other two containers. So the local press got wind of the failures and broke into the vault with one reporter describing the scene thusly. The stench near the crypt is disarming. It strips away all defenses, spins the stomach into a thousand dizzying somersaults.

It shouldn't be doing that. Something's gone wrong. Several of the relatives of the formerly frozen deceased sued Nelson and the mortician for just over a million bucks. The mortician's malpractice insurance paid out his half of the fines. Nelson managed to pay out, wriggle out of paying anything because of some procedural irregularities, so he only had to pay $18,000 in legal fees and he was off completely scot-free. Man, oh man. Yeah. Just the power of lying. You just, you can get so far just by lying.

But like, the things he's appeared to have lied about are fucking insane. From like if you read this from a few different sources, there's a whole thing in this American Life episode where he says that the first time the bodies thawed, he like flew to the cities that the families were in to tell them face to face that it had happened and they all told them that it's fine just to re-freeze them. them their to rree to rreese to re free their to rree, he never even phoned us about it. He's apparently a real piece of shit. He died himself in 2018, only four years ago, and his body is currently in Clinton, Michigan in the storage facilities of the Cryonics Institute. Yeah, he shouldn't be in there. We should just unplug him. I feel like if there's a just universe, he's getting unplugged. Interestingly enough, I had a look, they have a patient's list for the Cryonics Institute

in Clinton, Michigan, but they only have the names of a few of them, mostly they're just by patient numbers. And most of them are, you know, the first name and a last name, but there is someone in there who, let me just double check my details here, patient number 87, they were frozen on the 7th of March 2008 with only one name, and name is Theo. Hmm. Hmm. Sounds like an intriguing gentleman. Much to think about. And that concludes. I was going to do several stories of cryonic's failures and controversies because there are a couple other ones but it turns out this one's quite long. But, um, yeah, how's that?

That was grim. Is that fucking insane that... I didn't like that guy. So the first person to be frozen cryonically is still frozen, but like the next like 17 people all had problems happened and they were all... all thought out and all just buried traditionally. Yeah. Which is pretty fucking wild. Which is like... I mean, if you're the kind of guy that wants to be frozen for all eternity, to kind of get thawed out like a roast chicken and chucked in the ground like a...

Like a dead dog. Like a dead dog. You'd be pretty disappointed, except you wouldn't be, because you're already dead. Yeah. So really, no one's feelings are getting hurt. Not much to think about it. Except your family, I guess. Yeah, I mean you're already experiencing the sweet bliss of nothingness.

Yeah. Sounds very relaxing. Yeah. Well, that concludes this episode of The Theo Fos. Tio, thank you so much for telling me about those dirigible. Thank you for telling me about some asshole. You are. Loved freezing bodies. You're so welcome. This is going to come out, I believe, today, which is day before New Year's Eve, so I hope you, the listener and your wife who's listening to the car have a happy and safe New Year's Eve, take some drugs but not too many. Yeah. to. to. to. to. Yeah. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. theauuuuuuu. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea but not too many. Yeah. Or if... You don't even have to stay up to watch the fireworks.

That's my message from me to you. You could be asleep by 9.30 after having... No one's checking. Yeah. I will be checking. I'm messaging you at 1159. I'm not referring to that message. Yeah, I'm not a- I thou'a'a'n't I'm asleep buddy. We'll see you next time. you to be