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Episode Date: November 25, 2021

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Hey, it's me, Ben from this podcast. This is just to say that this week's free episode is one from our Behind the Paywall in our bonus episodes. This is an episode of the spin-off podcast that I do with my dear friend Theo, called the Theophiles. I think you're going to learn a lot of very interesting things. If you like this sort of bonus content, you can either wait seven to eight months until I have a week where I've got too much shit on and then a bonus episode ends up as a free

episode to cover that time or you can pay, I think, like seven bucks Australian-ish to get four bonus episodes a month if it's a four-week calendar month or about one extra every week is probably the better way to say that anyway I've already taken up so much of your time I hope you're having a wonderful day whether you're listening to this in a car or on a bus or or you're walking or you've maybe got it going in the kitchen while you're doing in dishes all of the normal ways people listen to podcasts anyway without any further ado here's the podcast right Come one come all and gather around we'll tell our tales to thee

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Yeah, I got you with a sneak little truck. You got me. You got got. It's exactly like that death grip song. Uh, hello, welcome to Buntavista. This is a bonus episode 7 of the Theophiles number 217. Yeah, well, well, this is probably going to get released on the free feed at some point, as we do with all of the Theophiles episode. We just can't keep into ourselves.

You could just say this is Theophiles episode 7, which might be confusing because the last one that got released was Theophiles 5. Which would be...now I'm confused. Well, yeah, and see that is confusing, but you see that the one before that was also Theophile 5. We're so good at podcasting. Yeah and now that I'm saying that out loud I know that I doubled up on one but I'm starting to doubt what that number was. I'm just going to do a little quick. All right and while you're working that out, let me welcome you to you to the show. This of course is a audio medium where we where we talked to to to to to to to to the to the that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the they. the the they. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. the that that that that that that that that that that that that talked to each other and to you. Did you feel compelled to have to explain the concept of podcasting as a whole? Just worried a little, we had to kind of go back to basics while we're kind of covering some other issues.

I'm Theo and appears that I've been living two lives. My first life is as Theo, a power systems engineer, lovely man, father of a child. But at night, I podcast also, under the name of Theo, as well. So no real nom de plume there. And neither of these activities bring me any closer to unearthing the secret that we're all in the matrix. So both my normal life and my alternate life, no overlap with I'm not going to be following the white rabbit, not going to be unravelling a trail of secrets that eventually leads me to waking up kind of to a new life,

a new world, a more difficult but a more true world as I realize that I am just a battery and a pod. None of that. Interestingly enough, your normal life does lead you to every morning waking up covered in a strange goo. That's certainly true. That's for medical reasons. And so I'm I don't know I'm feeling pretty good to perfectly honest. I'm not kind of I'm not challenged by any sort of greater truth. Like I'm like the reality that I'm part of is just a veil. You don't have any problems distinguishing wakefulness from dreams? Certainly not. No, no, this is the one level of reality that concerns me. There's no question that drives you. No. No, there's no question that drives me.

You don't fall asleep at your computer at night with your head on the desk with your headphones on listening to the massive attack song dissolved girl while your computer is doing a thing where it's bringing up black and white images of Morpheus by itself. No. No, no, none of that. Well I mean if it does happen I'm asleep. Yes so you know I wouldn't. You wouldn't know and so like in essence you're not really leading a double life at all you're reading is leading a single life. Well just between the just between the like kind of I'm you know sort of got a white collar job but during the daytime and then I do like a hobby thing.

So you're saying that the double life is that during the day you're on the computer and at night you're on the computer. That's right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the. the computer and at night you're on the computer. That's right. Yes. But for two different reasons. Yeah. So really the only similarity that you're drawing the parallel here between you and the protagonist of the matrix is that Theo rhymes with Neo. No, I wasn't about to do that either. Sorry, you were drawing a comparison where there's no comparison. No comparison. I mean, we might all be inside the Matrix, but that's not on my business.

No, I'm not, I know for sure. Okay, no worries, well, that's as good a time as Aene to bring you in, Ben, you've been living a double life. During the date you go to the beach with your beautiful moron of a dog, Louis. Yep. He farts up a storm. And then at night, you podcast under the nom de plume Ben McLeigh.

Yeah. Neither of those things as well sort of come, bring you any closer to unearthing, the truth that will undo all of the work and effort of the machines that rule us, subject us to sort of saccharine fake reality, etc. Yeah, I think Thomas Anderson's sort of the profound driving... He's got that. Oh, I mean, he kind of like felt that there's no way that the life he was leading was his real life, that it must be some empty shell put there for some reason there must be some bigger truth whereas I take my my war horse to the beach and I say oh this is quite nice life is good isn't it? It is. This is fundamentally what life is. There's nothing

else behind it. Yeah, I mean if you're like having to live some sort of clandestine existence let's say on a you know secret secretive spaceship deep in the bowels of Neo Earth. They probably don't have the facilities for either creating cans or the beer to fill those cans. No, I think they have, um, well, there's that bit where they're drinking some sort of weird moonshine in the first movie. Oh, of course. They probably would have weird moonshine. I assume they're drinking the exact same thing as the stuff that the guy makes in the master. Yeah, yeah, mouse is just out the back, like mixing chemicals.

Yeah, they probably don't have like... You probably can't get like a nice West Coast IPA on Seneo Canesa, I don't think. Like, oh, sorry, you've only got, oh, you've got NEPA's in the, in the, no, sorry, not for me. I don't really like hazys. You got in the, uh, got any mid-strength. No, it's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, oh, th, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. Oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, the, th. Oh, the, the, the, the, th. Oh, th. Oh, the. Oh, the. Oh, th. Oh, the. Oh, th it's just 700 proof. That might be a bit, I might get a little sleepy on the boat. Do you have anything that isn't flammable? Anything close to 3.5%. No? Okay, they're all 98%. This is just... And we don't have enough water to kind of dilute it.

We can't thin that down. Yeah, though the water is just for the toilet and nothing else. Well, it's very lucky that we're not in that horrible. We're just in the normal world which has, it's got its problems. Yeah. I mean, I think maybe, part of the reason maybe that doesn't strike a chord with us is that we're both cismen and that there's a fair chance that that first Matrix movie was just like a very big metaphor for realizing that the way you were living your life was a fake version of who you are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas I'm just sort of stuck with the real version of me, which is sort of, eh, you know.

I do like the idea of you transitioning but just because I would like to see what your the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th thi th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th know I do like the idea of you transitioning but just because I would like to see what your life would be like if you did have a huge set of honkers and you don't have to get huge set of honkers as part don't don't set the discordians off I'm gonna I'm gonna get about four thousand teams now that have just their egg now Now that just Theo egg now. Computer, can you give me a rendering of Theo with huge jugs please? Huge jugs.

Fem, Theo. Okay, maybe I wouldn't mind. I would take this for personal use. Someone can make this to Caitlin. Like, what do you, do you just, what are your thoughts of this? Just free associate, tell me what you think when you see this picture. I mean, you know, we can can can can can can probably, we can probably, we can probably, we can probably, we can probably, we can probably, we can probably, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th thin, thin, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, thin, thin, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, theaugh, thea, thea, thea. theaugh, thea, thea. thea. thea. thea, thea, thea associate to what you think when you see this picture. I mean you know we can probably you know double up on bras. That's true. There's a lot of synergies going on there. Uh yeah economy of scale. Uh huh. Do you have a nice transition from you having

going to see it to? So speaking of people that kind of undergo life-changing events. Ben, what do you think the most common lost limb for sufferers of phantom limb syndrome is? Is it arms? I don't know, I was hoping you could answer it. I want to talk about like the horrors of, like, uh, is it arms? I don't know. I was hoping you could answer it. Um, I want to talk about like the horrors like the, I've been looking a lot the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoos thoos tho-like tho-like the tho-like the the the the tho-like the tho-like the tho-like-like tho-s tho-like-like-like-like-like-like tho-s the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho-s the tho-s the tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s-lo-lo-lombososomomomomomom tomorrows-lumo-lumo-li-li-li-li-lia-li-li-li-s answer it. I want to talk about like the horrors of like the, I've been looking a lot of like the horrors of the depths, like of the ocean and stuff, and so one thing I'm terrified of is the abyssal zone, which is like second only to the hadal zone in terms of like geography with

sick names. Shout out to a husband of the show Jesse who works. the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I, thi. I, thi. I'm, thi. I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thoes, I'm the horrors. I the horrors. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, thi. I thi. I thi. I'm, thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm theologe. I'm the. I'm the. I'm thiologe. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm the. Shout out to husband of the show Jesse who works on marine biological programs exploring the abysal zone with ROVs. He's all the way down there in the abyss, which is a nightmare place. I mean he's not. They're sending ROVs down there. Which I mean would be cooler. So you've kind of just diminished what I was saying, which I thought was already quite

cool. Yeah, Jesse, pretty cool, but maybe if you got in a submarine to be a little bit cool. Oh, sorry, this is, I don't want to break the floor of what you're doing there. Up there on the computer. I was, I took Louis camping the other day and I did what I always always, I always, I always, to to to always, to always, to always, to always, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, to, to, uh, to, to, to, to, to, to, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, uh, pretty, pretty, uh, uh, uh, uh, pretty, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, pretty, pretty, to, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, to, pretty, pretty, to, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty,,, pretty,, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, to, to, to, time, I cook myself a nice dinner, then I get very stoned and then I listened to Radio Lab and there was a, I was just very high, sitting there listening to a lovely episode about water, and then they started talking to this woman who was a submarine pilot. And I was like, well, that voice sounds very familiar. And I was like, well, you think that because you stoned and all voices sound familiar. And then they they they they they th. And they's they's th. And they's th. And they's th. And they's th. And th. th. thired, thired, thired, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, I was tho, tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, I've tho, tho, tho, I was just tho, I was tho, I was tho, I was th. th. th. th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was theded thed thed thed thed that, I've that, I've that, I've that, I've that, I've that that that thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooved that, I was that, I was all voices sound familiar and then she started talking about a job more and then I was like oh shit no that's the woman the piloted the submarine that I went on. Erica Bergman that's the woman I spent 20 minutes in a submarine with it was fucking mind blog it was wild yeah it's

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the earth's surface, so most of the Earth is just abyss, which is pretty cool. It's completely dark, has no process for creating its own life, but creatures there rely on like dead and decomposing biomatter, falling from the higher layers of the ocean, which is also extremely metal. Yeah, it's like how the BBC Natural Sciences Unit or whatever, it's called, it's obsessed with whale carcasses falling to the bottom of the ocean. I say this because they've done, in both seasons of Blue Planet, they cover a whale carcass falling down to the abyssal zone. I haven't watched the Blue Planet. I gotta get on that.

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which I want to talk about today, which is even more terrifying still, a little thing I like to call, abyssal Italy, but is actually the Messine Selencyt crisis, the Missine's salinity crisis which is doesn't quite have the same ring to it so I'm hoping to get the Wikipedia name yeah sure see if you can abysal Italy redirects to sorry can I just had a really good life achievement

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modern day Spain, the Italian peninsula and a precursor to the Strait of Gibraltar, which is the water passage between the southern end of the Iberian Peninsula and the northern coast of Africa near present-day Morocco, right? Which is the bit that links the Atlantic Ocean to the Mediterranean sea? Just a little, it's little passage, right? So this is still in the Cenozoic era, which is the current era so this is like the the the the the the the the thiiii.. th. th. We we we we we we we, we, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, which is thi, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is the water, which is, which is, which is thia, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the they. the they. they. they. the the the the water, the water, they. the water, the water, the water, the water, the water, the water,zoic era, which is the current era, so this is like the time, we're talking birds, mammals, primates, no dinosaurs. Sadly, yeah. Sadly, and this is quite, quite late in the era. So season 3 of the checkout of a few hundred thousand years, something called the Misanian, I probably should have worked out how to pronounce that beforehand,

but I was too busy typing up a dream journal, the Messinian salinity crisis occurred. So as far as we can tell, a bunch of factors, like climatic and tectonic stuff came together. And the early, like the precursor of the straight, the bit joining the ocean the sea sea the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, thousousousousous, the, the, the, the, the, thousouse, thoe, thoe, thousa, thous, thousande, thouse, thouse, a thouse, a thous, a thous, a thous, a thous, a thous, a thous, a thous, a thous, a thous, thous, thous, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theauuuooooooaneauuuoan, theauanteauanteauantea, theauantea, thea, thea, the, the and tectonic stuff came together. And the early, like the precursor of the strait, the bit joining the ocean to the sea, became disconnected. And over the period of a few thousand years, the majority of the water in the sea just evaporated and leaving like a basin almost completely dry between three to five kilometers below sea level. Oh wow. Yeah, so, and they reckon that,

so there's some debate about this because of the geological markers and that sort of thing, that it might have happened a few times with the straight opening a bit, closing a bit over, you know, the several hundred thousands a year. So eventually, it built up this like a layer of th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I, thi. thi. I, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. you know, the several hundred thousands of years. So eventually it built up this like a layer of salt that was tens of meters thick and all this water like evaporating raised the sea level by about 12 meters. So like I find it hard to imagine this this just like how horrible this place would have been. You know, it's European. It's three to five kilometers deep. And the Grand Canyon's a little bit under two kilometers deep at its deepest point, right?

And you've been to the Grand Canyon, right? And like, how did you feel looking down into it? I felt very small? I felt so small. So small. Anyone could just pick me up and small. It's big. You look at it and you're like, it's hard to kind of gauge the scale of it. You're like, well that's not that big and then you sort of look at a point in the distance and you're like, oh fuck. Yeah. So this is like twice as deep, the size of several countries. Yeah. And like just completely inhospitable, just this mass of like hot salt.

There's like, and there's canyons in it, sort of from where the water has like run away and carved into the dirt and stuff, including one that's like in the mouth of the Nile that's still there, like several kilometers deep, which is, which is cool as hell. But yeah, in some parts it would have just been this one, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, mass, mass, mass, mass, the the the the thi, mass, mass, mass, the thi, the Nile that's still there, like several kilometers deep, which is cool as hell. But yeah, in some parts it would have just been this one gigantic country-sized salt plane with like huge salt storms going through, just whipping up like sand and salt. Salt storms. Yeah.

That's fucking metal or shit. And like, because of a whole bunch of thermal dynamics, I don't understand, the lower you get, the hotter things get. So you know, like, what's the place in the desert in California, the, with the extreme? Death Valley? Right, right? So, um, I saw one estimate that said that in this, like, salt plane, it could get up to like 80 degrees or so. I mean, that's not a fun temperature for life.

Certainly not good for us. That's outside the danger zone for food. You could leave your food there and it would be fine. Oh no, I left my ham out. Wait. No, we're in the abyssal plane, so it's okay. It's a-okay. You're actually cooking and curing your meats if you leave raw meat out there at the same time. And in this part of the world, we actually call it prosciutor.

That's actually how prushut was invented. Pigs falling into the abyssal plane. Well, speaking of which, it's still thought that animal species, their, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, th. tha, th. th. th. th. th. thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, that, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi, th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, tha, tham, tham, tham, tham, tham, thamam, thamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamam, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, th which, it's still thought that animal species could have crossed at various places, right? And we've kind of talked about these weird migrations before, but from Africa to like the cooler weather parts of like the Mediterranean stuff, including, and I love this one, migrations of hippos to the later islands of Crete, Maltor, Sicily and Cyprus, which then, as the, you know, later the water came back and they became islands, they underwent, you know, dwarfization where, you know, adapting to the smaller size of the, the animal.

Is that why Maltese terriers are so little? Yeah, that's how this came apart. But eventually like all of these hippo species went extinct, leaving tiny little hippo fossils for biologists to kind of scratch their head. And that's just a little treat for like, fucking paleontologists just being like, oh, that is little guy. Tiny hippo bones. I was really hoping you're about to tell me that there was like a pygmy hippo species that still lived in Molta. There are pygmy hippo species but none from this event I think. So eventually it's likely that like some tipping point occurred,

you know like a stream formed between the Atlantic and the the basin and like the interface eventually like eroded forming the current day straight of Chibralta and like filling the basin with delicious salty water. There like people are kind of split on whether this happened all at once and so like the the passage like opened and just gushed water through the whole thing and just wiped out any kind of like, you know. Weirdly erotic sentence, I loved that. There is a, there's certainly a lot of vaginal imagery I had to skip when putting this

together. So that is on the cutting red floor. You had to skip it. You were just closing your eyes being like, oh no, no, no. No, no. Ah, Sharpie, forming that parallel today. And so the whole thing flooded and then we got the Mediterranean back and, you know, you could put your little, you could have your little dalliances in your little sailboats out there. It's a sort of opposite Brexit, but they got the Mediterranean back.

Got the Mediterranean back. We finally got our Mediterranean back. I had nowhere else to cheat on my wife. So, this brings us to the second part of the story. Flash forward to Germany in the 1920s. Please. The Weimar Republic has taken form after World War I. And Leibens Round, the hyper-nationalist concept of living space,

with Germans plan to seize fertile and valuable land from other peoples. And anyone already there can go and die in a ditch. Literally- Sort of like when you live in a sharehouse and you plan to make the living room yours. Yeah, or if you live in a sharehouse and your good friend buys an absolutely shithouse, um, Nissan Sylvia, and decides to change the transmission system from an auto to a manual for and I quote safety reasons. And then the sharehouse no longer has a garage because... How did that go? How did that resolve? That's a great question. There's just no way that that would be...

I think I got married. Yep, and then you... Yeah, safety reasons. Yeah, resolved that. But anyway, I hope that metaphor helps you understand the expansion of the Vimal Republic. Yeah, and the concept of Leibens realm. So really, I mean, that was their only option, right, for Germany, apart from like learning to live with the peoples around them, et cetera, is just the violent expansion of their territory, or is it?

A man by the name of Herman Sorgel potentially heard our show, I'm not quite sure, and was very interested in the concept of the Messinine's salinity crisis. So you're saying this man might have potentially listened to the first half of this unreleased as yet episode of a podcast, and gotten the idea for it. Got in the concept. Well he didn't get it from Wikipedia but, that wasn't around then. idea for it. Got in the concept. Well he didn't get it from Wikipedia but and that wasn't around. Well, it's a good point. Well, ma'am. And so he had a grand idea and he called it Atlantropa. Atlantropa, Atlantropa, I'm going with. I did decide how to pronounce that,

and then forgot about it. That certainly sounds like one of the medications that an American ad would try and sell you when it's like people running around in a park and they're like, don't you miss this? Try atlantroper. Don't let they cause diarrhea. Don't let testicle pain rule your life. Has wet the stop you from being able to live your life for the fullest? Atlantropa. So his plan was to damn the Strait of Gibraltar and

the Bosporus, the straight through Istanbul, and train the Mediterranean. Finally, no more of this fucking sea. I mean that is certainly a lot of Leaventh realm, the entire Mediterranean floor. I would alsothat is certainly a lot of Leavons throughout the entire Mediterranean floor. I would also, I would note though, none of it is attached to Germany. Germany being landlock. Is it landlocked?

Is it landlocked? It's not quite land. No, no, it's on the Baltic Sea. No, not the Baltic. What's the, the, fucking, the Scandinavian Sea? The bit that's in there. The bit that, yeah, they kind of wet their beaks up north, but they're southern beaks, completely dry. They,

They, they, that's how you would describe that. In Australia uses all of its beaks. That's right. We are truly a land girt by beak. Let us all rejoice. So, uh, and so this is, this is sort of, uh, paraphrasing from his insane screeds here. The utopian goal was to solve all of the major problems of European civilization by the

creation of a new continent, Atlantropa, consisting of Europe and Africa to be inhabited by the Europeans, of course, not not the Africans. No, no, that seems like it would just joining them by some sort of land bridge. And by bridge, I mean an insanely deep valley from where the Mediterranean was, would only solve one of the problems of it being inhabited by Europeans. But luckily, this is a project that Europeans have been trying to tackle for hundreds of years. Yes. Sourigal was convinced that to remain competitive with the Americas and an emerging oriental pan-Asia, which was definitely a thing that was worrying people at that time. I think the Japanese were kind of getting their imperial might up and going and trying

to be like the anchor of a pan-Asia sort of thing, which is... They were worried that Asia might unionize. That's exactly right. Yeah, they've organized and they've put their little banners up. So Europe, of course, needed to become self-sufficient, which meant possessing territories in all climate zones. Asia would forever remain a mystery to the Europeans. And the British would not be able to maintain their global empire in their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is exactly, is exactly, is, is exactly, is, is, is, is exactly, is, is, is exactly. That's, is. That's, is. That's, is. So. Soe. We. Wea, is. Wea, is.a, is.a, is.a, is.a, thea, is.a, is.a, is.a, is.a, is.a, is.a, is a.a, is a thi. their. their. thiiiiiii. thiiiiiii. thii. thiii. thi. thii. thi. thi. thi.a.a. the Europeans. And the British would not be able to maintain their global empire in the long run, so a common European effort to colonize Africa was necessary.

Of course, Africa being classically uncolonized by the Europeans. Yes. Yeah, they would need to start doing that in the 20s because they'd never done that before. Never done that. Incidentally, this is exactly what happens if you play any of the the the the the European the European to to to to to the European the European to the European to the European the European to the European to the European to the European the European to to the 20s because they'd never done that before. Never done that. Incidentally, this is exactly what happens if you play any of the European sieves on a to-scale map of Earth in civilization. It's suddenly challenged by the concept of Leibonsboro. Oh, well, this is... Wait a second. I simply don't have enough living space.

As Germany on the Earth 24 sieves map on Civ 4 and I have run out of space to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to the Earth 24 CIVs map on CIV and I have run out of space to get resources. It's time to establish Frankfurt on the Horn of Africa. So the lowering of the Mediterranean would of course enable the production of immense amounts of the electrical power, guaranteeing the growth of industry, so you know, hydroelectric dams at all of the production of immense amounts of the electrical power, guaranteeing the growth of industry, so you know, hydroelectric dams at all the good points. And unlike fossil fuels, the power source would not be subject to depletion. Fast tracks of land would be freed for agriculture, including the Sahara somehow, which would be irrigated with the help of three sea-sized man-made lakes in Africa. The... A work here. The mass of public works, which, which we, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which we are, which we are, which we are, which we are, at the the the, at all, at all, at all, at all, at all, at all, at all the, at all, at all, at all, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all, at all, at all, at all, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all the, at all their, at all their, at all their, at all the help of three sea-sized man-made lakes in Africa.

The massive public works, which were envisioned to go on for more than a century, would relieve unemployment and the acquisition of new land would ease the pressure of overpopulation. With Sorgel thought were the fundamental causes of political unrest in Europe. So you're telling me, this is government-this is government sponsored, not make work, but work for a purpose for a sustainable electrical power? You're describing the Green New Deal. Sorry, that was the sound of my monocle popping all the way off. Let me just retrieve that. The Green Noy deal.

And if we knew what green was in German, would be. Don't have that. That was one of the first things they taught us in German in school was the primary colors and uh... All gone. It's probably all the colors I think you just change the vowel to an AU sound. Blow, rowed, ground, a round. A round. Anywhere where you normally see a bee, that's two S's baby. So blue is of course, sloil. So he reckoned, you know, you might think, hey, draining the entire Mediterranean, that might be bad for the climate, but he says, no. Sorry, green is a groon.

Grun no ideal. No deal. Deal still deal. Deal it. But the E's got an um lounout. Yeah. So the climate could be changed for the better as far away as the British isles. So you know beach weather. I have to go out and buy shorts which further

relieve unemployment. That's true. As a more effective gulf stream would create warmer winters. The Middle East, under the control of a consolidated Atlantropa, how do I say? Atlantropa? How'd I say? Atlantropa? It would be an additional energy source, that's nice for them kind of like the matrix and a bulwark against the quote yellow peril

Hmm mm so this guy's racist as fuck, but imagine kind of get rid of all the the racist yellow peril is? Say I'll send you some resources afterwards but so yeah so this guy no at all, kind of completely melted brain. But imagine if the Germans gave this a shot instead of the Holocaust. Now it's not so, yeah, now I've tickled your little concept. If your point is, if this is a binary choice between the Holocaust and this thing I've described. Okay, so maybe the whole thing thi thi thoo good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good... It's it's it's this, it's thi's thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. this, thi. this, thi. tho. tho. tho, tho, thi. thi. tho, tho, kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind tho, kind kind kind kind tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. tho, kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. this, this, this, thi. thi. this, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. this, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,, if this is a binary choice between the Holocaust as this thing I've described. Okay, so maybe the whole thing would fall over as they realize it's like really hard,

but you know, idle hands of the devils playthings, right? That is true. And it might have been having so much fun completely colonizing Africa that they didn't get around to doing the Holocaust. That's, that's right. That's right, thi that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right. that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. that's that's that's th. th. thi. their their their their their their th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. th. th. th. I th. I thee. their the. their thi. their their the get around to doing the Holocaust. That's right. You know, like a good hobby. They couldn't do it now because of screen time. But... That's true. Yeah. Hitler would be too busy using apps to think of the final solution. Trying to...

Trying to swipe left on Czechoslovakia. And that's the sort of topical humor that you've come to expect from this podcast. You guys heard about Tinder? Have you heard of the mad dictator of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler? Well, then have I, there was like, still a bunch of interest around this. Like there was an institute that was set up around it. The institute for doing fucking dumb crazy shit that will take ages. That's right. And he later died in a car accident, although the uh, Atlantraper Institute lasted until

the early 60s. But there is some good news, according to Wikipedia. So if the Strait of Gibraltar was to close again, which is likely to happen in the near future in geological time, the Mediterranean would mostly evaporate in about a thousand years after which the continued northwood movement of Africa may obliterate the Mediterranean altogether. So that's nice. So no more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more the the the their. their. their. their. thau. their. their. thau. thau. their. their. their. their. the the theiraugh. thaugh. the toaqaqaqaqaq.aq.aq.aq.aq.aq.a.a.a. toa.a. toa. toa. toa. toa. toa. toa. toa. toa. toa. toa. toa. toe. toe. toe. the their. their. their. their. theira. I. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a Mediterranean altogether. So that's nice. So no more sardines, am I right?

On your toast. Because the Mediterranean's gone and I think that's where they, when you get tin sardines. You have to switch to anchovies. Yeah, I think those are, yeah, they might be an ocean fish. Well, that's fascinating Theo. Thanks, that's fascinating, Theo. Yeah, thanks, no worries. Now, it's interesting that you talked about an institute there, because I'd like to talk to you about an institute as well. Oh, the fine institute of Catholicism?

Yes. Don't worry. I'm already a member. I've got my card. The card Karen Catholic. Can I get you to cast your mind, your powerful mind, to the year 1972? Are you there? Are you there?

Are you there? Do they get to 72 in madmen? I think they... Yeah, they must do. There's the part where Roger has sideburns. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because like, it's, I think... Oh, they have the moon landing. They have the moon landing, they've got JFK.

Yeah, yeah, they probably get there. Uh, it's 1972. The Cold War is hot as hell. And the intelligence community America have been led to believe that the Soviet Union has been spending about 60 million roubles a year on psychotronic research since 1969. Hell yes. Those Ruskies have got psychics and the given the amount of money that they're spending on it the Americans are like, oh shit they must be on to something. We got to get our own psychers. And you are absolutely right. The CIA says holy, we need to get our own psychics. So around-

I'm just setting the time and now probably back two minutes. I was calling it two minutes, and I'm just gonna, from here, see how long it takes us to get to LSD. Ooh, you might be in for a pleasant surprise here. There's no LSD in this one. I don't want to disappoint you. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. too. too. thi. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the to. the. th. LSD in this one. Oh okay. I don't want to disappoint you. But I mean this does, the stuff I'm talking about does involve weird experiments with LSD but I'm not talking about the LSD parts. Okay. So because the CIA doesn't want to fall behind in the psychic race. Yeah, linking to a darker kind of void world. Yes. They're like what the Russians have opened their minds to a

horrible source of great power and evil. We should be doing that. Yes please. I'll have what they're having. I'll have what the USSR is having. Packs with the devil. So around 1970 the the CIA had started a project called Scanate, all caps, which was short for or at least a portmanteau of scan by coordinate, and this was their sort of early look into the concept of psychic phenomenon, but in 1972 they formalized it and started a research project at an independent think tank called the Stanford Research Institute under Parapsychologist Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff was a physicist who had been involved in early research on

lasers. Puthoff was an electrical engineer, it also done a lot of stuff with lasers as well, interestingly enough. He was also a man who believed that having reached OT7, which was then the highest achievable level in Scientology, he had gained the ability to see things at a distance with his mind because of, because he was OT7, which is dope. So the CIA, the CIA has given these guys a ton of money to start to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to 7 which is dope so the CIA is given these guys a ton of money to start doing tests on some like famous psychics of the time psychics like Uri Geller hell yes Uri Geller sorry I think it is is. According to a 1973 New York Times article, Geller's participation was organized by astronaut Edgar Mitchell. So Edgar

Mitchell was famous for two things really. The first was that he was the sixth man to walk on the moon, which is pretty cool. And the second is that he was the first one to have ever claimed that he conducted ESP experiments with people back on earth while he was on the moon. We just don't have cranks like we used to. Like we, I mean we've got a ton of cranks but none of them are like... Yeah, communing with dolphins from the ISS or whatever, right? This was such a good time for fucking like going to the Navy and being like, can I, can't, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ISS or whatever, right? This was such a good time for fucking like, going to the Navy and being like, can I have $10 million to give a dolphin acid to teach it psychic powers?

And the Navy says, holy fuck, yes. We were honestly thinking you were going to ask for more. Yeah, would you like to have a woman come and wank off that dolphin while she lives with the dolphin in that project? And then the scientist, Dr. John Lilly, says, yes, please. Yeah, sure, why not? Please listen to episode 8 of the Dolphin. Uh-huh. That's very, very good.

So Targun put off were very impressed with Gell's performance under their sort of clinical trials., is incredible by the way because Yuri Geller is a tremendous fraud. One of the world's most heavily documented frauds generally. No man has a longer history of people being like, this is how he faked it, I watched him do it. Uh, they claim that he had, quote, demonstrated his paranormal perceptual ability in a convincing and unambiguous manner. Oh, beautiful. Yeah, so these scientists obviously doing some very rigorous tests. Not as convinced was Department of Defense consultant and University of Oregon psychology

professor Ray Hyman. This is from a 19- Oh, a bit of a, bit of a Debbie downer. Yep, he's coming in like a fucking wet blanket and saying, wait a second. Hang on. Uh, so this is from a 1973 issue of Time magazine. As Geller demonstrated ESP and psychokinesis, to the delight and excitement of Target putoff, I pictured him clapping like seals. Oh, he did it! He bent the spoon! This is crazy! We're getting paid millions by the CIA do this. Uh, Hyman said that he was able to spot the quote,

loopholes in inconclusiveness of each feat. He also caught Geller in some outright deceptions that Targan put off apparently did not discern. In one case, Geller asked DOD projects manager George Lawrence to think of a number between one and ten and write it down as large as possible on a pad. While Lawrence wrote, Geller made a show of concentrating covering his eyes with his hands. But Hyman, carefully observing Gala, noticed that the Israelis' open eyes were visible through his fingers. Thus, Gellin was probably able to see the motion of Lawrence's arms as he wrote, and to correctly identify the number 10.

That is a trick that I could pull off on Finn for another like, year. Max. It's like, it's so good. Knowing how to read our movements, Hyman notes, is important to every magician. Later, Geller caused a nearby compass needle to turn about five degrees. Lawrence, noting that Geller had moved his body and vibrated the floor, did the same, causing the needle to deflect even more. Gellar, startled, accused Lawrence of using trickery. And Targeted sisters on examining the DoD man to see if he had magnets hidden in his clothing.

Oh my god, incredible. He did not. Hyman notes that Targ did not feel that it was necessary to search Geller. Ha ha ha ha ha! You're not a psychic. What's a trickery are you using? It's so good. Hyman's impressions are admittedly based on observations made on a day when normal testing routine was not in effect. Nevertheless, Hyman wrote in a letter to a friend, SRI's tests of Gala were performed

with incredible sloppiness. The records... Are you familiar with the guy? I really, I wish I could remember his whole deal, but who was a psychic, you know, quote-unquote, that was able to turn pages with his mind. And they set up a experiment on TV where, you know, they've got the book and he's all ready to go, but then they put small pieces of paper in front got the book and he's all ready to go, but then they put small pieces of paper in front of the book so that if...

I can tell if he's breathing on it? Yeah, exactly. And he just gives up. Phrush, theyreel. There's a... I was reading a ta and his usual thing that he does is like well the fact that I can't do it all the time proves that if it's real yeah because if I was a magician I would be able to do it every time

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Yeah, very specific phrase. And the project was partially relocated to the Fort Meade Army Base in Maryland, where again at a point, or again at some point it acquired another name, Project Grille Flame. Huh. Beautiful. As part of Grille Flame, the Department of Defense screened around 250 intelligence personnel for the traits that Stanford Research Institute had

ascertained match the profile of a good remote viewer. According to the SRI, these people were, quote, usually confident, outgoing, broadly successful individuals with an artistic bench. So that's the sort of person that makes a good remote view. Yeah, someone that, quite by coincidence, might be skillful enough to come up with a lie and confident enough, yeah, to kind of press on with it. Yeah, it's also exactly the profile of a con man. Odd. Okay. Go on. I wonder what that's about.

So these people were trained for between 18 to 24 months in the art of remote viewing. That 18 to 24 month figure was arrived at in consultation with the SRI because, before this point, according to Lieutenant Colonel Robert Jachim, who managed the project from 1981 to 1983, quote, no one had attempted to t project from 1981 to 1983, quote, no one had attempted to train psychics before. I wonder why. The project then goes through another series of name changes. Uh, from Grill Flame, it gets changed to center lane, which is a fucking shit name.

That one sucks, but then it is changed to Operation Sunstreak. It's a good one. And then it acquires its final name, which it holds until it is finally shut down in 1995. Project Stargate. How fucking dope is that? It's so cool. So, uh, in that, from that group of 250 people, they ended up selecting six. And combined with a few other people that they pick up after that and some people that they had since the very start, they end up with a team of about 12 to 20 remote viewers that are on the Department of Defense payroll all through the 80s and some of them, you know, up until 1995.

And they are getting used like a lot. Basically, any time any of the U.S. intelligence community gets wind of something, they feed what they know to these remote viewers and ask them to find out more. And thanks to the CIA declassifying all of the projects target documentation when the project was shut the the thuuuu.. th. th. the the the the, the, the, the the, the the, the the, the, the, the, the the the, the, the, the, the, the, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, their thi, thi, thi, the, the, the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, the, the, thethese remote viewers and ask them to find out more. And thanks to the CIA declassifying all of the projects target documentation when the project was shut down in 1995, you can look up like the transcripts of all these. Like a lot of it's redacted, but like the fucking Iran hostage crisis they were using. Oh my God. Yeah, yep. It's fucking wild. This is how one the remote, like thia thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their thi. their thi. their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the project, the project, the project, the project, the project, the project, the project. the project. the project. the project. the project. the project. the project. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the project. It's, it's, the project. It's, th. It's, thi. It's, thi. It's, their thi. It's, thi. It's, thi. I's, thi. thi. toge. thi. tho. their, their, their, their, their their their their their their th remote viewers that he was described as remote viewer number one, because he was their best one, described his typical workday to the Washington Post.

On a typical workday, he reported to an old leaky wooden barracks at Fort Meade where he went into a one-person office. He sat at a desk with a typewriter and a mug of coffee. The coffee said, this end up and had an arrow pointing the wrong way. So just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just a this is just a this is just this is just a this So just a little bit of Oxford's humour there for you. He was then presented with sealed envelopes, sometimes large brown ones, sometimes small white ones, and he was asked to supply information about whatever was inside. Might be a photograph of a person who'd be asked to describe where the person was located. In that way he said he helped the army locate hostages in Iran. He said he predicted almost precisely where Sky Lab was going to fall, 11 months before the spacecraft returned to Earth in 1979. So they, the people that are involved this claim a lot of successes. Like they're all pretty

dubious but like there's this real sort of clash between how this is talked about. The people that support it say well look at all the things we did and then like you'll have other army personnel be like, yeah, we asked like a whole bunch of remote viewers for a whole bunch of predictions and like one of them turned out to be true a year. Yeah, yeah, just by the law of averages you end up with, yeah, something right at the tale, yeah. Yeah, and there's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, they's, they's, they's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.. We. We'll, th. We'll, th.e.e.e.e. We'll, th.e. We'll, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, their, their at the tail, yeah. Yeah. And there's like, they issued this big report in 1995 being like, on the balance? No, this is not effective. So I want to talk about one specific remote viewing session.

I want to read some excerpts from a transcript from a day in, it was May 22nd, 1984. The remote viewer for this session was probably the most famous remote viewer to come from Project Stargate. His name is, he was chief, well, he's retired now, but Chief Warrant Officer Joseph McMonagall. He's the author of the book's Mind Trek. Remote viewing secrets, a handbook and the Stargate Chronicles. Memoirs of a psychic spy. So a pretty cool guy all around. According to the documentation of the session,

McMonigle was given a sealed envelope containing a 3-inch-by-5-inch white card. Now, he was given this envelope and it was placed in front of him, but he wasn't allowed to open it until this interview was over. This is kind of how they worked. I think this is one of their controls to stop any sort of biases from entering the process. So they're given a sealed envelope. The person that is interviewing them doesn't know what's in the envelope. And neither theoretically does the remote viewer, although obviously with their psychic powers. And neither theoretically does the remote viewer, although obviously with their psychic powers. They know all about it, yeah. They know all about it, yep.

They're also sort of strapped into a weird machine that's like monitoring which brain state they're in, like which brain wave, you know how we go to our alphas and our betas and our betas and our fourth one. Don't know what the other one is. Uh, so it sort of starts beeping if they get out of the mind state that allows for remote viewing. So I've not included any of that parts in here, but a couple of times they're chiding him for drifting away from it. Yeah, get back in the game, get you, get your head in the game. So he's giving a, McMonoglacl is given a sealed a sealed a sealed a sealed a sealed a sealed a sealed a sealed a sealed a sealed that he a sealed that he a sealed that he that hea sealed that he that he's that he's a sealed card that he's a sealed card that he's that he's that he's a sealed that he's that he's that he's that he's that he's that he's a sealed card that he's that he's that he's that he that he that he that he that he's that he's that he's that he's that hea, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a sealed, that's a sealed, that's a sealed, that's a sealed, the the the the card that he can't read, but on the card it says the planet Mars. Time of interest, approximately one million years BC.

That is an interesting time on Mars. That is, it's the golden age of Mars. The roaring 20s of Mars. In the beginning of the session, McMonigal is asked to use the information in the envelope, which he doesn't know, and then to focus on the following coordinates, 40.89 degrees north and 9.55 degrees west. Now, I don't know a lot about the geography of Mars. I don't know a lot about the geography of the Earth, honestly. But what I do know is that

there is a pretty noteworthy feature within a few fractions of degree of these coordinates. It is a place on Mars called Cydonia. I don't know if you, do you know what's there? Knights. Yeah, it's a muse reference. I fucking hate news. It's a terrible song. A terrible band, all together. God damn. Actually, that's probably the song of theirs that I dislike the least. Oh. But that's an all right one. That and, um... Strange opinion. Apocalypse, please, is an all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. But the rest of it, absolute garbage. Fuck news. Uh, so Cydonia is a place on Mars where we spotted in the early sort of photographs of Mars, that

rock feature that looks like a human face. Yeah, spooky. Oh my God. Hey, remember that X-Files episode about someone getting possessed by the Spoky Face? The Canonically Worst episode of the X-Files. It's absolute dog shit. It's so funny. The Spooky Face is a memetic virus. No!

No! There's also something that looks like a pyramid there as well. So I have a slight suspicion that this is why they asked him to look there, but we'll find out. So I'm going to read from the transcript here. It is marked as being between two people speaking, the subject, which is McMonigal and the monitor who is, you know, the guy talking to him. Subject. I want to say it looks like, I don't know, it sort of looks, kind of got an oblique view of a pyramid or pyramid form.

It's very high. It's kind of sitting in a large, depressed area. Monitor, all right. Subject. I'm liking it. It's yellowish. Okra is green to me. Like the transcript here is saying, OK R A, like okra like the vegetable.

Not ok as in OCs, R, A, but I think that might be a mis-transcription maybe. Unless this guy just fucking loves Okra but doesn't know what it looks like. Nobody loves Oka. Monitor. All right. Move in time to the time indicated in the envelope I've provided I I I I I I I have to to to to to to to to the to to the time indicated in the envelope I've provided you and describe what's happening. Subject, I'm tracking severe, severe clouds, more like dust storm. It's it's geologic problem. Seems to be like a, just a minute, I've got to iron this out, it's really weird. Monitor, just report your raw perceptions at this time,

you're still early in the session. You can't go too deep yet. No, don't. I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I to, I'm to. I'm t, I'm t, I'm t, I'm t, I'm t, I'm t, I'm t, I'm trying. I'm t, I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm t, I'm t, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm t, I. I. I'm t, I'm t, I'm t, I'm t, I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. t. You're still early in the session. You can't go too deep yet. No, I'd love how seriously they're taking this. It's so fucking awesome. Subject, I'm looking at after effect of a major geologic problem. Monitor, okay, go back to the time before the geologic problem. Subject. Total difference. It's, uh, before there's no, uh, I don't know, th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I, thi, I, thi, I, thi, I don't, I don't thi, I don't thi, thi, thi, thi, the geologic problem. Subject. Total difference. It's before there's no, I don't know, oh hell. It's like mountains of dirt appear and then disappear when you go before. See, large flat surfaces. Very smooth angles. Walls. They're really large though. I mean, they're megalithic. MacMonagal is then asked if you notice any activity around this point. This though, I mean they're megalithic.

McMonigal is then asked if you notice there's any activity around this point. This is again from the transcript. Subject, I'm seeing, it's like a perception of a shadow of people. Very tall, thin. It's only a shadow. It's almost as if they were there and then they're not there anymore. Monitor, go back to a period of time when they are there. Subject, um, mumble. It's like I get a lot of static on a line and everything. It's breaking up all the time.

Very fragmentary pieces. Monitor, just report the raw data. Don't try to put thing Taking this so seriously. The son of a bitch. Cool, shit. Subject, I keep, I just keep seeing very large people. They appear thin and tall, but they're very large. So large they could swallow me whole. They could just throw me straight into their mouth. They're nude and they're purple and I'm talking to them and they're a hologram from Blade Runner 2049. They're wearing some kind of strange clothes. Later he is asked to move to

80 degrees south, 64 degrees east, monitor. Tell me about the ones who sleep through the storms. So there is a sentence before that where he's saying that they have some sort of storm shelters. But tell me about the ones who sleep through the storms is one of the dopest phrases I've ever heard in my entire life. I love so much. These people are morons. That's an Al-Sysneros lyric from a fucking Om song.

Subject. Very, very tall. Again, very people, but they're thin. They look thin because of their height and they dress like in, oh hell, it's like a real light silk. But it's not flowing type of clothing. It's like it's cut to fit. Monitor. You can see everything just rubbing up against it. Everything. You can see some weird, long, pointy, Martian titties. Monitor, move close to one of them and ask them to tell you about themselves.

Subject. They're ancient people. Oh, so we're not just remote viewing now, we are... Yeah, which was new to me. I didn't realize he could interact with things in the past from his remote viewing powers. I thought he was just viewing them remotely. Yeah. I guess he's got edit permissions as well. He just went silent there. Did you mute your mic or... Yeah, I got a little... Sorry, I have to... Okay. Subject. They're ancient people. They're, they're dying. They're dying. They're dying. They're dying. They're, they. their. their. their. Yeah. Yeah. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their. Yeah. their. Yeah. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. I. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. I. Yeah. I. I. I. Yeah. I. I. I. I'm. I. I. I. Yeah little... Sorry, I'm going to have to... Okay. Subject, they're ancient people. They're dying.

It's past their time or age. So it's the elves at the end of the third age, the Lord of the Rings. I want to fuck one of them, but she'll lose her immortality. Monitor. Fuck it. Have a cool piece of jewelry. Monitor, tell me about this. Subject, they're very philosophic about it. They're looking for a way to survive, and they just can't,

all the pauses in here, there's always an ah, and then a repetition that makes me think it's Jeff Golblum talking. Ah, ah. makes me think it's Jeff Goldblum talking. They're looking for a way to survive. Monitor, what is it they're waiting for? There evidently was a group or a party of them that want to find a new place to live. It's like I'm getting all kinds of overwhelming input of the corruption of their environment. Yeah. It's failing very rapidly in this group went somewhere like a long way to find another place to live. Monitor, okay, when the others left, these people are waiting,

when the others left, how did they go? Subject. I get an impression of a, I don't know what the hell it is. It looks like the inside of a larger boat, very rounded walls and shiny metal. Monitor, go along with them on their journey and find out where it is they go. Yes. Subject. Impression of a really crazy place with volcanoes and gas pockets and strange plants. Very volatile place. It's very much like going from the frying pan into the fire. Differences there seems to be a lot of vegetation where the other place did not have it and a different kind of storm. So obviously, this guy, remote viewed to Mars, we found out that there are ancient aliens

there and that they came to Earth, right? I think so. They're fucking dope. I mean, like, what's the timeline here? We're talking a million, one million years, well, he asked to go back a million years BC and then... Which is an odd to go back further. Yeah, he's gone back a million years, 2000.

A million and 2,000 years. Yeah, yes, the very round number. But then he went back to when there was activity there, so I think he might have tha tha tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th when there was activity there so I think he might have gone back some in determinant time so Earth definitely had life a million years ago but it wasn't volcanic like we weren't you know primordial at that point no that's right and they all stretched they're like well this this shit sucks the vibes are all off yeah we've got to get out of here and go to burning man yep they just fucking realized at some point that they got the shitty

end of the stick. Hey, how come that planet's looking all cool and like green and vibrant? You know how it's like always like super hot or super cold over here and like we haven't got coconuts to make peanut collars in or whatever? Would you go to Earth? That looks like a fucking dope time. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just fucking, I'd love that this was something that they did for what 23 years and they poured a ton of money into it and they used it like a lot. I found, because the so the documentation they released is like there's 12 million pages of it, like literally 12 million. So it's very, because it's like literally a handwritten memos from

like meetings and everything, every single thing. So it's impossible to really sift through it. When I was just randomly clicking on pages I found one where that the guy I mentioned who was in charge of the project in the early 80s had a meeting with the then vice president who said he was really excited about what they were doing That vice president was of course George Bush Senior. Oh. Wonderful. What a fucking idiot.

Talking to him of just being like so. We have a team of powerful psychics and he's just like great. Loving it. So I generally like ending these stories with, you know, like sort of a twist ending or whatever. And what I've got here is that, uh, Putoff, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, the researcher, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, that, that, the, the, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's the, that's the, the, the theat, theat, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, like sort of a twist ending or whatever. And what I've got here is that Puthoff, the researcher that was one of the two that founded it, the one who was a Scientologist, but he's not a Scientologist anymore, apparently, he co-founded the Toothar Sars Academy with Tom DeLong.

So that's of course the former Blink 182 singers alien research institute where the two people that he started with were the founder of the CIA's remote viewing program and the guy that headed the Pentagon's UFO research program for seven years. Louise Eliza. How does he have these connections? Well, it turns out that like, they were putting money into these projects. I don't think they were paying them like enormous amounts of money. No, being a military sort of thing, I don't think it like funneled to them so easily. Also I think that the advanced aviation, uh, A-A-2, aviation, ah, whatever it is.

The program that Louis Alizando headed up was like two people, I'm pretty sure. So like, they weren't massive programs, but yeah, fucking wild. It's so strange. That also that this is a sort of story where you're like, well this was ages ago, you know, there's like no way these people are still doing stuff. Back in like the sort of time of superstition and, you know, we haven't really worked out what science is yet,, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. the their, time of superstition and, you know, we haven't really worked out what science is yet, sort of like blind trials, all those sorts of things seeing whether the things work, etc. But these people are all still around.

But no, this is the time we've got this like nailed down stuff. Yeah, fucking Joseph McMonagal is like, thii, thin, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thin, like, thin, like, like, thin, like, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th... So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th and like interviews all the time talk about the stuff being like yeah, yeah, it's all real. It's all cool. Hey, Joseph McGarnagall, how many fingers am I holding up? Sorry, that's largely audio medium. I just gave him the finger which is the rudest thing that you can do with your hand. Well, now he knows, but he'll probably just say that I hadn't listened to that part yet. I knew well before, and I paused the podcast. How about you remote view my nutsack now? Well, thank you for joining us for another episode of Theo Farns. Oh, just always a trade. I love learning. How good is learning? I love learning about people

that refuse to learn a thing. It's so good. Like really I think the lesson from most of these is confidence. Yeah. You just really believe that you've got psychic powers you can convince the army, you really believe that you can drain the Mediterranean. Yeah, you just got to convince the Weimar Republic. If you really believe that you're in iguana and you can step on a raft made of weeds and then you'll end up a completely different continent. Yeah. Just put yourself out there. I feel like thematically, I want all of these to be able to end with the end scene from burn after reading. What did we learn? Well, let's just not do that again, whatever it was.

All right, thanks for joining us, guys. Thank you. The guys here is you and the listener, by the way. Yeah. My two favorite people. Well, Theo's just staring off camera and smiling. and the listener by the way. Yeah. My two favorite people. Well, Theo is just staring off camera and smiling. Was that your wife or your son? Yes. Okay. You will have a little look at his face there. Oh, look at that smile. Yeah. Oh my sweet

goodness. What a full head of hair. You guys have the same hair cut. That's adorable. Oh, I don't think you've got the same thing. He's wearing a button-up shirt. Yeah. And he's got his sleeves cuffed. He's in his Sunday best. He's looking great. Oh my goodness. But he's got dermatitis.

Hey, he's like father-like son. All right. We'll catch you next week, guys. Bye. Bye. I think that's a little bit. I think. I'm not sure. I the today I I think. I think. I'm not sure. I I think. Thank you.