Brain Soda Podcast - Episode 10 - OG Olympics Ain’t Nothin’ to Document

Episode Date: April 8, 2023

This week we'll be discussing documentarian Nick Broomfield, the original ancient Olympics, and Frog's favorite hip hop albums! 

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the subversive, the sensational The Brain Soda Podcast. I, as always, am your host, Kyle, here today with Brad and Frog. Yo! Today, we're going to be having a list of favorite hip-hop albums by Frog. Brad's going to be talking about the original Olympics, but first, gentlemen, we're going to travel to London, England. January 30th, 1948 is the birthplace and time of our first subject for the day, Nick Broomfield, Documentarian, and boys, I gotta tell ya, when we were talking about subjects for episode 10, I picked Nick Broomfield because I planned on going over some of the subjects that we've done previously. Real quick, before we say anything else about it,

I'd like to thank everybody who's been listening, everybody listening to this in the future. Welcome and thank you. But as a celebration, I wanted to kind of go over some of the things we'd already talked about, revisit some of them, and I was like, you know what, I'll just mention Nick Broomfield. It'd be a cool little small subject. Then I looked at this guy's IMBD page, and I was like, holy s***, this is a lot. A lot, a lot. But I do feel like when I looked at these films and I was like, oh yeah, I know a number of his films. That's awesome. And then I looked at how much stuff that he's talked about, and not just made a movie about, but revisited in other films. I really appreciated this guy more and more and more. This guy's highly influential and is one

BAFTA Awards. And we're going to talk a little bit about him today. So he graduated from the British National Film and Television School. I'm going to go over just, it's almost like subgenres of his own documentaries. So like, he's done a few true crime films, two of them about Eileen and one about the Grimm Sleeper serial killer. Okay. Are those his like biggest films? Or what are his biggest films? I would say the Eileen Wernos film from 2003, which like the ending of that film is her execution in Florida. Wow. Like that's the one I knew him for the most. Don't forget about Kurt Cobain. Yes, Kurt and Courtney. Kurt and Courtney is probably his most popular film. For me, anyways. So does he do like, is he like a dark film

documentary in that? It sounds like in my eyes then. I mean, yeah, three films of his are about apartheid. They surround the leader of the apartheid party before apartheid was happening and like around it. And then after in 2006, he did a film revisiting and like speaking directly with that guy. And then he made one about a musician in apartheid. And, you know, obviously that would have like touchstones of that film. He's done a lot of films that are like about the sex industry. He's done a lot of about the music industry. He's done political movies about Sarah Palin, Margaret Thatcher, the leader of the apartheid movement. There's a film of his that I've like, I had heard of a few times in passing reference. It's called Ghosts. And it is this film about

like a Chinese national that is an illegal immigrant in Great Britain, essentially, right? Her life and her labor exploitation and her really existence just to make less than 100 euros a week. He calls it direct cinema, where it is a scripted narrative film with non actors. So is he is when he shoots these films, is he going like actually going to these places and talking to these people? Certainly. Is he like kind of doing okay, because you know, the homework, you know, Broomefield is well known for being a guy who's got a tape recorder in like a saddlebag style. Hunter as Thompson style. I mean, listen, there is a very much Gonzo journalism element where you're not the fly on the wall, you're the fly in the ointment.

But like, not to the extent of what Gonzo journalism actually is, where like your narrative and analogies metamorphosize the work as a whole journalistically and narratively, right? Like what Broomefield does and some could say like, somewhat sleazily or exploitatively is really immerse himself in his filmmaking process and his work with the person as a character. And that becomes the crux of the film to a large extent, like in the Eileen Wernos film, the one that I kind of knew him for best. I knew Curtin Courtney, Biggie Tupac, the second Eileen film. And that was really what I knew the most. And remembering that like him and Eileen Wernos fighting and her going through like her last appeal, last days on earth, and she is already like

a mentally strife. I don't want to be insulting when I say freaky lady, but like that is kind of what it is, is that she definitely seems to be so erratic and high strung and and caustic as a person that like Nick being there and revisiting the events of the trial of the day, reevaluating previous lies and or statements about the crimes. And you know what I mean? Like all these different things are probably just really big agitators for this lady who is about to get murdered by the state. You know what I mean? Like at the end of the day, like that is originally how I looked at the film. But knowing more about Eileen Wernos in general now and the fact that he had already done another film about her like a decade before

is like, oh, so like she knew, she knew what this experience was. And like she she loved the notoriety and fame of it a bit a little bit, I believe. And like the first film I don't know if I've really seen more than a couple clips of it is called The Selling of a Serial Killer. And like by the end of that film, you do get a sense that Nick Broomfield has some sort of a communication dialogue relationship with Eileen Wernos. So you're talking about the second film then? By the end of the second one when she dies, yeah, by the time she's dying, you know, are going to be dead, you can see like remorse and upset for the fact that he's lost someone, he's at least had somewhat of a bond with in the past, right? Another thing that really kind of

changed my opinion on him as a person in a filmmaker, he did a film called Tattoo Tears, and it involves a bunch of youth prison inmates, right? Prison? 18 to 21 males in prison, but it's like youth prison. So like people convicted of prison when they were juvenile, like 16 year olds that kill somebody or something like that. Is that is that youth prison? Is that a story based on a select group of inmates or the system? So the film apparently follows a selected like four and like when you watch the clip, because you can find these on his website and his YouTube channel Nick Broomfields. When you look at the clip, you can see different instances of like the mental anguish that these guys are going through. They're all men of color, like it and

it gives their point of view. It definitely gives their point of view, but I feel like it also like it also shows the mental state of some of these men. Apparently in the description, it says one of these men is likely to be schizophrenic and I don't know because I've never actually sat down and watched the film. If this man is ever diagnosed to be or anything of that sort, but like that, I believe goes hand in hand when you look at the Eileen Wernos thing. If we were more on top of mental health in this person's life, how much different would things have been? Yeah. And this is the thing we could get into a lot of things. And I don't want to, there's a lot of things that could help people in those type of situations other than just throwing them in a cage and saying,

you know, you're punch. Oh, absolutely. But even beyond that, the reasons why they're there, I feel like would be lessened or completely avoided if we were more on top of our mental health as a society at that time, let alone whatever political arguments or structures could be happening now, right? So what I want to know is what's your, what's your favorite work by this guy? What made you want to talk about them today? Yes. So originally it was, it was the fact that I knew Curtin Courtney, the Eileen Wernos film and Biggie and Tupac. I mean, those were the three things. Okay. Cause that's the only one I know is the Curtin Courtney one. Curtin Courtney is one of these films more so than much of the others that I really suggest you go sit down and watch.

That's number one. Number two, that made me really want to stick with this, this subject and this director is that I feel he's super influential. And the fact that Nick Broomfield comes into these films and these situations gives you a narrative is hands on and is pretty much as much of a part of the crew as he is the director, narrator, producer. He is bonding with that person there during their interviews, during the observation of the events of the film and interacting with that person. And I feel like not only is that influential, it's important to show the humanity of everything that he ends up displaying. And I think the third biggest reason for me is that even if you're just coming into this and you're like, all right, yeah, but documentaries aren't

my bag. If you want to try to diversify your bonds, if you want to try to diversify your film expertise, if you want to try out something a little different, I'm going to give you a top five films. We're going to exclude Eileen, life and death of a serial killer, Biggie and Tupac and Curtin Courtney, because I've seen those films, but the ones on my shortlist to check out next are the leader, his driver and his wife, the early days of the apartheid movement in South Africa, and it's later half sequel, his big way self. So that's number one and number two. Okay, I actually really want to check out ghosts, the one we talked about earlier. I definitely want to check out the grim sleeper and I want to check out tattooed tears.

Yeah, I mean, I've only, like I said, I only see the Curt and the Courtney one site. I got a lot check out. But one thing I do have to ask kind of flip it on what you usually ask is if he can play in, you know, if you had to have somebody cast him in the movie, who would he be? I would cast Benedict Cumberbatch as Nick Broomfield. If you guys want to look him up. Really? I'm looking at him. No, I didn't have that at all. Maybe, maybe. I was thinking either, I have, I'm thinking Kevin Spacey or Tom Hanks, maybe. Yeah, but I wouldn't, but here's the thing, I wouldn't want somebody to have to come out and put on an accent. I would rather have Benedict Cumberbatch shot differently and wear prosthetics. I don't know. That's who did Dr. Strange, right?

He's Sherlock. He's Dr. Strange. His face is too narrow. Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I'd like, I don't know, Tom Hanks and a couple of these. And there was, I was thinking of somebody else, Mel Gibson, Mel Gibson. I could see a younger Mel Gibson playing him. Yeah. Are you familiar with ancient Greece at all? More specifically, the ancient Olympics. I know the carriage and the horse. Okay, the chariot. I know that. That's one of the games. Yes, yes, Kyle. So I, I obviously have a frame of reference for it because of amateur wrestling and their kind of lineage in professional wrestling, early professional wrestling. Okay. Yeah, like, I mean, I'm not like super familiar with the ancient Olympics, but like,

I do watch the Olympics every single, you know, every two years because the winter and the summer, you know, yeah, like they're one of my favorite times of the year. I love when the Olympics come out and, you know, track and field are actually one of my favorite events, which is kind of, those have ancient roots, really. I mean, track and field and like, you know, the wrestling and all that to kind of get, to get into it. The, the ancient Olympics started back in ancient Greece in a place called Olympia around, well, the first recording of it was in 776 BCE, but it was probably like hundreds of years before then, you know, when that it was going on, it just got recorded at that time, you know, and this lasted like, you know,

1500 years almost or something like that, you know, 393 CE or, you know, AD, if you want, is when the last recorded Olympics took place. And that was because of a Theodosius and a Roman Emperor who was Christian and kind of outlawed all pagan celebrations. Of course you do. So why was it considered a pagan tradition? Well, we'll get into that, but it was a pagan tradition. It definitely was. It was like, that's what it was. So I've never heard of any, okay, I was going to say, I'd never heard of any kind of lineage to it other than it being like a celebratorial thing amongst Mediterranean societies, Greek and Roman culture, right?

Right. So yeah, no, like, so the Greeks, they had, they had a bunch of festivals, like all throughout the year, you know, celebrating different gods and stuff like that. And this one just happened to be a celebration of Zeus, which was, you know, their, their chief god. One of these days, I definitely want to get into the seven ancient wonders of the world, but one of the ancient wonders was this temple of Zeus that was there, where there was this giant statue of Zeus. And I'm not going to get into it today because I want to explain it later, but yeah, that was, you know, Olympia was, you know, Mount Olympus and everything. That was like the place, the base of the mountain, all that. This festival took place every four years,

you know, just like it is today, whether there was war or not. So the kind of funny thing is, is that like, even if there was war, like somebody attacking them, they would be like, oh, nope, it's the Olympics. Sorry, we got, we got games to go. We got to go celebrate the Olympics. Like that's how dedicated they were to this sport. Or it was a festival, just like I said, it's a religious festival. So they were like, no, we need to do this right now. It doesn't matter if there's somebody attacking us, we have to go, you know, honor the gods to do this. So it's kind of crazy, like even in, when the Persians attacked, which I'm sure you guys, you know, have heard of with like the 300 and all that, you know, 480 and BCE,

they, there was a lot of cities and stuff that were like, no, the Olympics were going on. So we cannot, we can't go right now. We'll have to wait. So it was late for a lot of them because of the, you know, they're not going to war. Like this was open to all Greek males. So like, those were the people that were going to war was the Greek males, you know, so the majority of the people though, we're still soldiers. So like in our current Olympics, you have nations, were the city states of Greece represented, or was it just individual competitors and like numbered, like you'd see it like the special Olympics or something like that? Yes. Yeah. No, that's a very good question. No, like it was not

like that. Like, yes, there was like, Oh, this guy of this town, you know, but it was more this person, you know, like there is lots of stories like this crate, you know, a person that like beat every single person 70 people or something like that or ran the fast just, you know, in every race, you know, but yeah, it was never like this town is the best and stuff like that, you know, maybe there was, it just wasn't recorded like that. Yeah, because like every, every year here, it's always about like, Oh, our metal count is this and our gold medals are this and like, yeah, I was just wondering if that was something that's like a holdover where like, the city states were hoping to compete and do, obviously they would hope to do the best, but like,

was it actively considered? It might have been. I'm not sure. Like it might have been, but like, historically, though, like from the records, it was like singular people, though, you know, like for instance, like I said, only Greek males could compete. However, there was a little work around one of the like the chariot races, like you were saying, frog. It was the chariot owners, not the racers that won the reef. So because of that, the there was a Spartan princess named Seniska. She she was you know, she sent some chariot racers and there and she won. And then she was able to win a couple of reefs, which is what they got. They didn't get medals. They got reefs back back then off the olive trees around of the sanctuary. It was like, you know, again,

it's going back to the religious aspect of it. You know, there was olive trees lining the sanctuary where they competed, and they take the reefs down from there. And they would, you know, they would create the awards from that and all that. What's the what's the variety of games here? We have like one or two or is there like an abundance of games? So it lasted about five days. So there was like, there was a good abundance of games, you know, there was there was racing, there was there was the long jump, there was discus, there was javelin throwing, you know, just like track and field nowadays, you know, but there was also there was also wrestling, and there was boxing, and there was something called pancreation. I think I'm saying that right. And that was a foundation for high

school sports. And a little bit. Yeah, it kind of was. But pancreation was the foundation for MMA, in a way, because it was kind of a mix between wrestling and boxing. It was like a no holds bar brawl, like just like, you know, anything goes, except like, don't gouge their eyes, or like, you know, bite. It's the original combat sport, right? Exactly. Yeah, no dirty fighting, but a straight out fight, right? Yep. And like, there was the pentathlon, which was like, you know, like one of the biggest, you know, events, which was a foot race, a long jump, discus, javelin throws, and wrestling. And the reason why they did that was because like, it kind of resembled like, what a soldier would have to do, you know, like they'd have to run, they would have to jump,

they would have to like, discus was kind of like, it's kind of a mythological origins, you know, we'll go into that. But I mean, they were throwing javelins at that time. Exactly, throwing javelins, you know, wrestling, you know, all that, you know, and we actually in the modern Olympics, we have a modern equivalent of that, the modern pentathlon. And this one's kind of cool. I always love watching it. It's fencing, freestyle swimming, equestrian show jumping. So jumping with a horse, pistol shooting, and then cross country running. So this was made of like the 19th century, but still, you know, so it's like, what a modern soldier would have to do, might as like, you know, jumping a horse, but what a cavalry back in the day. I mean, by the time that those,

the rebirth of the Olympics came in the late 1800s. Okay. But at that time, you'd be riding around on a horse. Exactly. Do you know of a specific, I mean, we all know of LeBron James. Do you know of like a specific Greek athlete that would be famous through? There was a few so like Achilles never. No, no, I don't think so. But like, I mean, they got Apollo and Perseus were known to like kill people with the discus. So I guess like, there's one for you. Okay. Yeah. But I mean, there was definitely like probably if you want to look up people, there is like tons of different with records and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like I was saying, people like this, just like, like they beat like everybody, you know, or like killed multiple people during wrestling and all

that. Like, it's pretty crazy. They did all of that while they were completely naked. And most of the time, covered in oil. It just reminds me, I knew this, but it always reminds me of The Ladies Man as anybody's seen that. Yeah, that movie. Yes. Yeah. With Will Ferrell challenging The Ladies Man to it. Now we're going to strip nude and wrestle. Exactly. Yeah, that's what they used to do. But you know, I mean, for every single element of it, I think I'm pretty sure maybe that like they might have like some coverings, but like that was a big thing. Like you didn't compete. You didn't compete in war naked. Like why weren't they in armor? Well, okay. Well, there was a race. There was actually a foot race where they did actually get an armor and they had

to run. Yeah. If we're going to race around, we better get armor on. Otherwise, it's going to look weird, right guys? Well, no, not even that. Like no, I know. I know like in some agrees. I mean, this is like a little graphic and you know, but they used to like tie up their stuff with like strings and stuff. But that was more like first show wasn't to like stop from bopping. But it wasn't pleasure. No, it was not pleasure either. Yeah, but anyway, so like in boxing with these naked guys, oiled up guys, there was no weight classes. So there could be like this little tiny person, giant person. Yeah, no time limit, no scoring, nothing. And like they could die. Like I said, you know, and like surrender was done by like them lifting a finger or two fingers, you know.

So like let's say they got knocked out or you know, beaten to a pulp. And yeah, so sometimes that would happen. But like usually though, like it was fair play. Like they're all humans. Like people don't want to see that. Like they did, you know, even like the gladiators and Roman times, there wasn't that much death. Sometimes there was, but especially not in the Greek, like it was a festival. It was a religious festival. They're not trying to kill people, you know. But yeah, but sometimes like when there's like, when they couldn't be separated in boxing, they would they would call what is it called the climax, which was spelled the K for them. But they would just this climax, they would just punch each other back and forth unguarded

until you know, one of them one gave up. Yeah. So pretty much just like hit for it. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yep. And then so with like wrestling, there was like two different types of wrestling. Like one was where kind of like sumo wrestling, where like throw people into the ground or, you know, out of the ring. And then the other one was like just like wrestling to submission or like. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And then you got the pancrantian, you know, that's the one where it's mixed. And it's just like, it's just crazy. That was just like, I could just imagine just people just, you know, essentially just whoever can beat the crap out of the other, you know, with any means possible, you know, what are like hand to hand combatants fighting like

at this time, even like, what do you mean, if we're going to compare it to modern MMA, there's so much international fighting styles that have been brought in and developed to those that it's, oh, you mean, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's really on a fight, you know, it's just hand to hand, just throw some punches and stuff and throw each other, you know, like, I'm sure there was different like styles and stuff, but not like it was today. No, not at all. But that's my point is like the guy who's able to use kicks, the one guy who wins every year for a couple years, because like, you can just do, he can do a low kick sweep and everybody's just like, oh, I don't know what to do with my feet. That is very true. That probably happened a lot, which is like,

if you look up the people, that's probably what it was like, oh, you could just, you know, break his fingers. A lot of like, a lot of the times it sounds like a lot of broken fingers and hands and stuff, you know, that's all the fighting stuff. But like, you know, the track and field things were like, that was like, that was a big event too. That's what kind of like started the bread and butter. Well, not even necessarily the bread and butter, but that's what started it was the racing and stuff like that, the foot races. But like the long jump, it was kind of, it was pretty much kind of like today, you know, like if you like, search the sources, there were some claims where people jump like 50 feet or something like that, which was probably not true. But they

actually played, they jumped to a flute music. So there'd be like this flute playing while they're jumping. And then they would hold these rocks in their hands and to give them momentum. So as you jump, you know, you like swing the rocks in your hand. So you could jump farther and all that. So that that's how it was pretty much other than that, though, it was about the same as what we do today. You know, the javelin was a little different, though, they had like a leather strap that they used to kind of like, wrap around the javelin to give them more throw, you know, so it's a little bit more like a slingshot kind of than what we do today. So they could throw it large longer. And it was all wooden, there was no metal tip, but it was kind of the same, you know. And the discus,

like I said, was like a mythological origin. Homer mentioned it, you guys know Homer with like the Iliad and Odyssey and all that, you know. But, you know, it was just kind of, I don't know, maybe they used it back on the day as a bad weapon or something. But yeah, it was originally made of stone. And later on, they used like iron or lead or bronze and stuff like that. But yeah, those were like, you know, the throwing events and whatnot. There was the stadium was the oldest and the most prestigious one, though. And that's the racing. Yeah, the stadium. Yeah, that's the foot races. And it's across one length of the stadium, which was about 193 meters or so, you know, so give or take, you know, 100 or 300 meters. And it was supposed to be the distance that

Hercules could run in a single breath. But like subsequent races were like multiples of that. So like running their Mac or, you know, around twice or three times, four times, you know, kind of like what we do today, you know, you had your like, you have your 400 meters, you know, or your like half or, you know, that's how modern Olympics are. Usain Bolt's were the, were doing the stadiums, though, you know, like those, that was the dash, you know, like the 193 which is double the distance, you know, you just kind of sprint for that, you know. But the like I was saying earlier, the last one to be added was the one with the full armor. That was like the most popular one, though, because you got to think, man, running 400 meters that think

about running around a tire track, right? And full body armor, like 60 pounds of body armor, right? Yeah, they run around and plated stuff at this time. Or what are they running around in? Yeah, the bronze age, bronze, bronze. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I guess that sounds like it'd be super lame. Yeah, it'd be pretty hard. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now the chariot races, man, I would love to see those though. So with those really like road rage, could you attack a fellow racer if they like came up next to you in the chariot? I don't know about these specifically, I think in like Roman times, like chariot races lasted for a long time, all the way into the Byzantines and stuff. But like, these were more like, I mean, there was definitely crashes and

stuff. But the most popular one was like a four horse chariot. So like that's, you know, a lot of horses out there on the pitch or whatever, there'd be on like a wooden wheeled, open back chariot, you know, pretty a pretty lightweight chariot. They still have them today, chariot races, they're pretty sweet to watch. I mean, I guess it makes sense. Were they gambling back then? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's always been gambling. There's always been gambling. But I think he means like, like it was a public affair open betting. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like they definitely did. Yeah. And like, you know, the chariot races, they usually race around the track 12 times, which was like 1400 meters,

like 14, 14 kilometers, you know, so that's, I don't know, I can't remember the exact, you know, I think it's maybe like close to I think seven miles or something like that. I'm not mistaken. That's a pretty long race. So like it seemed pretty crazy. 14 kilometers is like eight and a half miles. Okay. So all right, I was I was undergassing a little bit. So yeah, that's it's a pretty long race, you know, that went on again for like 1500 years, there was there was races and you know, all these different events until Theodosius stopped it. And then we didn't have the Olympics for many, many years after that, almost again, 2000 years, or well, I'd say another 1500 years again, into the 18th and 19th centuries, when the Renaissance kind of after that, you know,

there, there began an interest in like the ancient Greek games. So people started like hosting these like informal sporting festivals and stuff and calling them Olympic games. But it wasn't until like 1894, when this guy, this French baron, and Pierre de Coubertin, proposed to revive them at this conference, conference on international sport in Paris. And they went with it, you know, and then in 1896, they hosted the first games, and that took place in Athens, Greece. And there was 13 countries that participated. The USA was there. And I think I couldn't I didn't look up exactly, but I know we won at least nine medals, at least nine. I don't know if we won all of them, but we won nine.

But it didn't really take off until like the 1920s, like 1924, is when it really, yeah, because like the World's Fair and stuff like that, there's stuff going on, you know, like, yeah, yeah. But like the World's Fair ended around that time. So like, yeah, like 1924 was when it really took off. And like, you know, since then, it's kind of been like a staple in the world. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, like another thing that's been a staple in the world. So it's a little bit later than that was hip hop. And Prague, you got a list of some good albums? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was just kind of kind of kind of throw you my top five favorite albums of all time. So 70% of my music intake on a weekly basis is 90s hip hop. New York hip hop to be

Well, 2000s hip hop for me. Okay. So let's all chime in on this. Who's your guys's top three favorite hip hop artists of all time? That's hard. I could say mine easily. Biggie and Ray Kwan. Those are my guys. Mine's gonna be kind of weird and not, but I would say Eminem, Tech nine and Watsky. Okay. So I'm going to say, for me, it's probably like Eminem, Run the Jewels. And then I'll say NWA. Okay. Okay. I don't even know if I could list my five top hip hop albums. Let's hear your top five products. So if somebody came up to me today and said, listen, you have five albums that you can only listen to for the rest of your life, no matter what genre, it's going to be this genre. It's going to be these albums. First off, I'm doing 36 Chambers.

Yeah. That's the that's the dude. They're every the first routine. I'm very unfamiliar with. I'm sorry. I'm very unfamiliar with routine. So you got you got minimum five artists per song on that album. That's cool. So I know they're nothing to that's about it. Yeah. Tiger style. 36 Chambers. That album is just fun. I think it's their best work, honestly. I'll listen to it. I'll listen to it. So following that, give me Nas Elmatic 1994, his first album. That's a good one. Ready to Die 1994, Big E. There's so much beautiful music on that. Ready to Die is one of my favorite rap albums, Front to Back, all the time. No matter what. I'm more of a two pot guy. Overall, I mean, I like Big E, but I'm more of a two pot guy. You lay out every single one of those

sounds from front to back album wise. I don't know if there's a two pot album that I would say does the same thing and he's done double discs and he's made four times as much music during his lifespan. Yeah. It's yeah. It's it's insane at four. I'm doing Kings disease one. So Nas 2020 came up with Kings disease one. He did it with producer Hit Boy and he did the Kings disease two and the Kings disease three over the last couple of years. And they're phenomenal. That's how I feel with M&M's later stuff. Are they are they not the Carter? Yeah. But I mean, if you're just doing a series of good quality music, you know what I mean? One, two, three, five. Like I would say little Wayne had a bunch of mixed tapes and other albums that came out. And those were those are pretty sweet.

When you look at the Carter albums, they are like his seminal albums. Yeah. So that's my I mean, these are 20 years later and Nas is coming out with these three albums, which they have a few featured artists on them. And I would say they're similar to the Carter's as as in Lil Wayne's albums. I love the Kings disease albums personally. They're beautiful at five. If they're like, okay, here's your fifth album. It's good. I'm grabbing a coin. I'm going to flip one side is going to have reasonable doubt. The other side is going to have the infamous by mob deep. And whatever I land on it, I'll be happy with it. It won't matter. Okay. I don't think I've heard or listened through any of those albums front to back. And that's like awesome. Yeah. Because I

want to listen to like that's my playlist for this week. Man, that was awesome, guys. I got some new music to listen to some new movies or documentaries to watch. It's gonna be pretty cool. But before we do that, we'd like to say a few words, you know, Kyle, I'll let you start. So like I was saying at the beginning, I want to take the time right now so that we can all say thank you. Thank you for joining us here on our episode 10. If you're listening to this later, thank you for taking the time to go back and listen to it. We appreciate every single ounce of support that you guys have given us. And we'd like to hopefully have you guys continue on through. Make sure to interact with us on the Facebook page, because we want to hear some things that you guys made to be interested

in some stuff that maybe we could bring up and respond to on the show. And regardless of whenever you're listening to this, we love you. Thank you so much. And we hope you continue listening, guys. Definitely. No, I feel the same. You know, we didn't really know what this project would turn out to be when we first started me and Kyle. I think we've mentioned it in an earlier podcast. We've had this idea for years. We tried to start it a year ago, and we it didn't really get off the ground. We didn't even post anything. And then we started again with frog and it's just been it's been great doing this. And you know, I'm having a great time. And I would like to see more interaction with our fans if we can. I would love to talk to you guys. We're going to be

starting a Patreon soon. We haven't exactly worked out the details yet. But we would like to offer some premium content to people that would want to see more. But yeah, you know, frog, what do you got to say? I mean, I kind of just want to piggyback off you guys. I mean, it's been a lot of fun getting together and doing this and talking about random stuff and just kind of I mean, the learning process of everything is just I mean, you learn something each week, because I mean, we're providing topics that I mean, stuff like that. It's great. So I mean, as long as we're getting the support we need and moving forward and yeah, yeah, just looking forward to keep on keep the train rolling. Definitely me too. Kyle, you want to take us out? And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we'd like to

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