Brain Soda Podcast - Episode 19 - My Fake Plants Died Because I Did Not Pretend to Water Them

Episode Date: June 10, 2023

This week we'll be talking about stand-up comedian Mitch Hedberg and the discovery that plants make sounds when stressed!

Welcome everyone to the Brain Soda Podcast. I am your host Kyle, joined by my co-host, Brad. How's it going? Frog is still on his adventures, but today we're going to be discussing how plants can actually make sounds when they are in pain. But first, Brad in 1968, in St. Paul, Minnesota, a man was born who ended up becoming a comedian in Florida and at one time was hailed by Time Magazine as the next sign felt. We're talking about Mitch Hedberg. Oh man, he's one of my favorites.

Yeah, me too. And like really quick, so Mitch Hedberg stylistically as a comedian is, it's a bunch of non-secquarters and short one-liners observational humor about random mundane things and they can be highly absurd or just a simple statement but phrased in a way that makes it so funny and like you know for a guy as prolific as he is and growing up and having the peers that he did is actually really, really clean. He does cuss from time to time and things like that, but considering who most of his peers were, like he is really surprisingly clean. That is true, like he really, yeah,

I can't really think of many times where he cusses, but like he does talk about, you know, unclean, not unclean, but you know, like he talks about drugs and sex and stuff like that. So like, he's clean, but not, you know, let's, not unclean, but you know, like, he talks about drugs and sex and stuff like that. So like, he's clean, but not, you know, it's just, he doesn't swear. Yeah, but I would say, I would say those jokes,

they're way fewer and far between than you would say. Yeah. And then the other thing is, is when he does cuss, it's usually like, one to two cuss words, and they're just like for emphasis or situational things like that. Like it's not like this guy really just throws them out wonton, you know like Cuss words exactly. Yeah, no like to me. He seems like I don't know like almost like Just like a hippie kind of just I mean he I mean, Kenny betrayed that way, but I mean,

that's one of the things about him that I always found was really funny, was when you hear him talk, you would figure the guy is from like New York State or California and he's just kind of like this hippie happy-go-lucky guy or whatever else and like, he's from St of like this hippie happy go lucky guy or whatever else and like he's from St Paul Minnesota I found that to be really St Paul a big like city at all or I don't know about St Paul but I

Do believe so okay, so like a decent city yeah It's like couple like a couple tens of thousands of people. Probably is like one of the bigger cities in the Midwest overall. Okay. But so like I was saying, he started his career in Florida and toured a little bit, even sleeping in the back of like a pickup truck at times to really make it happen. And he honed his craft enough that he moved out of Seattle really started to tour the country more and more often from there.

So this goes on throughout the early to mid 90s. His big break comes with an appearance on an MTV show. And that is very much second to his first appearance on Letterman. This guy his first appearance on Letterman. This guy appears all together on Letterman like 10 times. I didn't know it. Wow. I'm gonna have to go look at it. Yeah, because I've seen all pretty much all the stand-ups. So I'm gonna have to go look at his letter, or Letterman things. I don't think I've seen his Letterman things.

Just when, when comedians appear on things like Letterman, it's, it is kind of watered down. You know what I mean? Like, you're just still laying a 40 minutes set, had Berger as a famous joke of like as a comedian on stage. I'm there for an episode plus 10 minutes. You know what I mean? Yeah. I want to see that guy for 10 minutes more, you know.

But instead you're probably only doing like 10 minutes max on letter minutes, probably close to five. Yeah, I was just saying, is it really like,, cuz what letterman's what an hour long, right? I think most of those late-night shows are in our yeah, yeah, yeah So I don't you know, but I mean yes, they do talk to letterman stuff after that But I mean sometimes yeah, but you know I have Learned a lot of good comedians through like the talk shows and stuff back when I was younger.

I don't really watch them now, but. I'll say this for the standups that really brought into me and influenced me, I find that like even though as a kid, I watched Leno way more, I should have been watching Letterman. Yep, exactly. I never watched Letterman.

And then like Craig Ferguson, I didn't really even know about him until, like, right before he retired. So I wish I would have known about him earlier because he was hilarious. He really loved it from just that drive humor. I mean, obviously that's not his standup or anything like that,

but him on the Drew Carey show was always something of major note to me. Yeah, so one of the things about Mitch is if you feel like he comes off like a hippie if you were listening to like one of his albums or something like that, wait until you see this guy, because he think I know is traditionally like his long brown hair and like kind of a go-t kickin' or whatever, but Ugly enough, he would always be wearing glasses and that comes from the fact that this guy would come out on stage and be like looking down or Like closing his eyes quite literally because he had such stage fright and anxiety

Okay, I was gonna ask that because yeah, he really, he doesn't even like interact with the crowd at all and it seems like he's just like naming off jokes, you know, like it's a totally different way of being a comedian. Right. It's really like just someone like standing there telling you one-liners, like essentially. So one of the things I found in my in my research is you're right. Yeah, it does just feel like he's rattling off one liners and I feel like that's that's part of it is let's get through this that's just bam bam bam now he will interact with the crowd to a certain extent depending on how the room is taking it right true if he feels that something is fell flat He will address it, but he'll like self-deprecate. Yeah, he's like, oh that wasn't a good one

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right home. I'm gonna make that one better next time You know stuff like that for sure and like he even it not like and tag Instically, but sometimes he will kind of like catch when the room can't catch up or keep up with his humor That is one thing that I noticed looking up older clips of him is he's still got like rigid posture He's still really not looking at anybody or anything like that But I feel like before the glasses were involved with every single set and things like that He may have delivered a little bit faster and like, I don't know if that's something he let

draw out to get more emphasis and kind of draw out some of the humor and his personality and things like that. Or if it was actual again, the stage fright and anxiety. I bet it was like, I mean, probably a little bit of mixture of both, but I bet mostly because of like that's, timing is everything with comedy. To me, you can say just like any sentence and if you time it the right way and say things,

you know, I guess you have to like set it up right, but like you really can make anything funny by the way you time it, you know. So he was a master of that, a master of it, like a master of just like, of one-liners, it's not even just like that, like the way he delivered the one-liners, it was the thing, that's what made it like masterful. No, absolutely, I think the only other person

who really comes to mind for things like that is Stephen Wright, and when it comes to Stephen Wright, you know, he sounds like this. And when you have that kind of morose deep voice that Stephen Wright gives off, it's very easy to play off that, you know what I mean, or at the very least because this guy sounds like droopy the dog, whatever he's about to say can be XM out funny or feel like contradicts the way you It is yeah, like I mean he always sounds like Maro's and everything like he doesn't really I don't think you ever well You know he laughs you know he laughs and stuff but like he always just you know kind of delivers his lines like this

Right right. Yeah by 99 Hadberg had had you know handful of those appearances on Letterman and began to like gain a little bit more of a following to the extent that he wrote directed and starred in a film called Loce in Chalada. And that was a film that he made about like a frustrated restaurant worker in Minnesota and in that film David Tell and Mark Marin are also in there. Although it's it's hard to find.

It's something that I actually kind of want to check out at some point. But during that year he also came out with his first album, Strati DeGryll Locations. Yep, I remember that one. I remember you had it and yep, I remember getting it from you Like the walking base. Yeah, like Oh, man, all those like it's so crazy because you can still find them like you can look them up on you know All whatever Spotify or Google or Amazon whatever. Yeah, so at Mitch his career again is is continuing to flourish and blossom and Really become like maybe not the next sign felt but definitely Mitch had you know what I mean like he's a guy who you're able to find on so many different things when he do Comedy Central so Comedy Central

presents I think was like 2002 okay so that was like 2003 maybe maybe even before that because he's he's one of the few guys I think who had two comedy-centre presents as well. But even beyond that, like he had an appearance on that 70s show and he doesn't have like a large filmography of things that he appeared in, but like up until he passed, he would be occasionally found on Comedy Central stuff and to be honest that was one of the places it really felt like if he was about to get a show It probably would have been through them, but at one point he actually had a half a million dollar television development deal with Fox a half a million dollar television development deal with Fox. Really? And from everything I found, they just weren't able to translate his humor and his presence

into a sitcom television show. Yeah, I mean, I guess it would be hard, but I feel like if you kind of gave him, you found the right producer, right, or the right showmaker, whatever. If you had the right writers room. Exactly. Like, you could make a crazy show with him, like, as a star. He was like the perfect. Like, he was so unique, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, it just sucks that he's passed, and he passed, man. Like, uh, well, so that's the thing this whole time. That's actually get into that, because this is the things that I ended up finding. I feel like our a definite tragedy and a kind of tail-tail sign of substance use disorder. And for anyone listening, if you know someone or believe that someone is suffering from substance use disorder, help them seek help, be there for them, and if you're

suffering from it yourself, please, there are avenues and try to find some help. So in late 2001, he didn't interview with Jonathan Davis. I am not sure if it's Jonathan Davis from Corn. Sure, if it's Jonathan Davis from corn Okay, the interview was in penthouse, so like I Well, I guess it could be right that's what I'm saying like a maximum of its day or whatever Here's two people of no doing a you know a sit-down interview But regardless he does this interview and he is asked how he would pass if he had any Say in the matter and his quote is quite literally I would get famous and then I'd overdose if I were to overdose now I

Would be lucky to make the back man like I want to give a picture From what we know already that we've discussed We know Mitch as a person is headlong and determined to make stand-up comedy in a career and entertainment work, right? He has crippling stage fright and anxiety to the point that it molds and shapes him as a performer. And then those words directly in and of itself, although like at the time, perhaps nobody even knew it was a possibility or that there was any element of substance use disorder, I feel is very telling. Sure. Do people, did people know? Because okay, from what I read or, you know, I've heard about like his life and stuff, Is that like he, he wouldn't hang out. A big thing with comedy, comedy places,

stand-up theaters and stuff like that. Is that they have like a back room? Yeah, exactly. They have like a back room, you know, where all the comedians and stuff hang out and stuff like that, you know, like they go back there after the show was in whatever before their set and whatnot. And like he wouldn't do that though.

Like from what I read, like he was just like, he'd, you know, do his stand up and then go back to his hotel and go get, you know, go take his, he was heroin, right? Is what he or opiates. I don't know if this is for the most part. Yeah. He was, he was found to have a mixture of both heroin and cocaine in his toxicity report. Oh, man. See, and this is like, it's even worse. From every account that I saw of people discussing Mitch, he was beloved by his brothers and sisters in comedy.

I don't know about like being not, being or not being in a green room before or after a show or whatever, but I will say if if you were a guy who would go back to his hotel room or whatever I would say because often enough this guy was probably the main attraction and dip. But like I feel like being out at a bar later afterwards or going out to eat with everybody. Mitch is probably a guy who does that. But when you have, well, like, well, this is the thing, if he's like an introverted person,

like he's not gonna wanna, and I'm not saying like, this is, you know, I had something I read, like it's not, again, not like solid evidence, you know, this is not something that, again, don't take this as like, you know, gospel. Even if he's just an introverted person,

maybe he didn't go back and do it. Even if he wasn't going back to do drugs or whatever, he might have just not wanted to hang out with people. He had always been this true. I mean, I know he was, he was noted as being helpful for up and coming comedians and stuff like that. And when you had asked, did people really know, I feel like if you were close to him or someone

adjacent to him, you might have heard stories or whatever, but I feel like it was really, really well known because in 2002, at an airport in Austin, he got arrested for heroin possession. Okay. And then, now this is the part that people may know a bit less of During that time they found an infection perhaps like a staff infection or gangrene even whoo in his leg from shooting up Right, okay, so he is all right, man. Yeah, he's he's deep in it and yeah He was a pretty heavy user that yeah, and and so what happens is this is

The doctors that initially like see him for this believe they need to amputate him and really get a second opinion and then What they ended up doing was taking muscle from his back and And surgically repairing the leg. Okay, so when did he die? And, well, I just wanted to have a timeline because this is happening in 2002. So when did he pass?

It's like three years later. Oh my God, man. It really sucks because this is like, I mean, a fentanyl and everything. Like what the opiate epidemic in America is insane. And like, it was going on back then, you know, this is 20 years ago we're talking about. 20 years ago, and it's insane.

No, you're absolutely right. And that's why again, it is so important for anyone out there listening if you know someone or if you are someone who, you know what I mean, knows a story like this, knows someone who can do so much better and doesn't believe in themselves enough to do it, maybe self-sabotages with their use or their use has just gotten out of control. Like, there are avenues, there are people also in that struggle who are more than willing and ready to help. For sure. But in in multiple different interviews

and accounts after this, Mitch kind of downplays and says he's regulated his drug use and things like that. But in 2005, he's found in a New Jersey hotel and he had died of an accidental overdose like we had said before, a combination of cocaine and heroin found in his toxicity report. He did have a congenial heart defect that people originally kind of thought was so lead-a-blame and people still to this day believe that it may have contributed. Well, sure. In his passing. Yeah. And, right, perhaps it had, but this is a man who unfortunately,

like, at one point could have lost the thing that he, you know, loved most in his stand-up because he would have been an amputee. Now, he totally could have had a false that he you know loved most in his standup because he would have been amputee now he totally could have had a false leg after that or whatever else and you know then there's a question is who knows would would that have changed things for Mitch would Mitch have stopped there or would Mitch has stopped his comedy career there or what I don't know he just see that okay this is what kind of what I was trying to say earlier Exactly exactly, but like there's just some people like I was just reading the thing about juice world today He's a rapper that OD'd if you look at his his lyrics. I mean he's talking about stuff like that all the time You know like I mean yeah, yeah, it kind of seems like if you look at Mitch had berks things. Yes a lot of it's funny

It's all funny, you know, seems like if you look at Mitch hadberg's things. Yes, a lot of it's funny. It's all funny You know, but like he has that absolutely It almost seems like you can tell there was pain in his soul, right? But he was so great at what he did and like especially I mean I guess if you especially if you look at it kind of like his interviews more so than to stand-up because it's a stand-ups one thing but I feel like it no matter what go out and watch the the comedy central presents listen to strategic grill locations do you believe in gosh and Mitch altogether they're all on Spotify I will say this I think if you want to see any performance of Mitch it's likely on YouTube YouTube because there's so many people there. There are all the shows that I saw on there or whatever else. Yeah, that just, you know,

it's definitely worth listening. And keep in mind too, it's not everybody's brand of humor. There's a lot of people I know I've shown Mitch had burg two and they just don't get it. And that's fine. Yeah. But for me, he was a high level within his field and someone who I dearly loved as a performer and you know it sucks that he went through that pain that he did. And speaking of that, apparently plants can make sounds when they feel pain, isn't that right Brad? Yeah, yes, they do. And it's crazy because plants, we think of plants as these things that just, they're static. They're just there, right? But really, man, they're moving and they're making their interaction with the environment.

They're affecting the environment. There's so much stuff that plants do that we don't see because it's either over like a long period of time or microscopic or in a different wavelength of light or sound as we're going to talk about here that it's insane, you know, like plants are just amazing. Just to me, like I wish, you know, I'm, I'm, again, I'm a microbiologist, I work with plants actually, I work in environmental testing with farms and greenhouses and things like that. So this actually interests me a lot.

So when you think of plants, right? You think if they're stressed, let's say if they're drought stressed, right? If they're, you're not watering them enough or if they get cut or damaged or something, right? What do you think, what do you think would look like if you something right. Right. What do you think like you know what do you think would look they would look like if you see that right what do you think how well I mean I feel like part of it probably depends on the amount of trauma that they're suffering through right like so if we're talking about like in the two examples you gave with drought stressing I feel like they would be withered looking. But if they had suffered like damage, like they got cut,

I feel like they could like lean over in like, like almost like if you were to cut down part of a tree, like it would be angular at that point based on the cut versus just drooping down because of the lack of water, right? Sure. Well, like, I mean, even like exactly like drooping, you know, like that, like the shape of it, you know, they turn brown. Yeah, definitely losing of color as well. Yeah.

Exactly, like color and things like that, or even like smell of some plants, you know, if they're like, like dying, you know. Yeah, I mean, like, fruits, things like that, you know, if they're not properly grown, or like, you would think of that, like, that's how you would notice that. But like, what if you could like hear that stuff, you know, like before it happens, you know, like as is happening and be able to react to that, that's what this researcher in Israel did. It's heck, kite, but like it's, it's heck is Isaac and Hebrew. Yeah.

I probably said that terribly, but I tried. I tried it. I tried it. terribly, but I tried You know, there's like I think like 15 people total or something like that But I wasn't gonna try to try to name 15 people from Israel But yeah, so what these people did was they recorded Ultrasonic sounds from like tomato and tobacco plants and in two different settings in an acoustic chamber and in a greenhouse While also monitoring like all of their like physiological parameters and stuff like that Is there a reason why they chose tomato and tobacco?

I don't think so like they didn't explain why they picked those probably like cuz they Like they're pretty common like I don't know if tobacco is a big thing Yeah, I don't think like tobacco is a big thing. I don't think like Israel is actually a big smoking country, but I know like the Eastern Europe and stuff. So maybe that's kind of close. You know, like tobacco would grow well in Israel, I think. So maybe that's the reason why? Yeah, I would think so too. And I mean, like there's Turkish tobacco and things like that as well, but like... True, true, I didn't think of that. But I mean beyond that honestly, I can't think of the

The layout the reason well, even beyond that. I just mean like I could think like tomato plants have a thick stalk right as well as Tobacco plants may and I didn't know if that was like a Contributing factors to why they'd be used. Tobacco plants, I've seen them, they're like big leafs, you know, like not a fern looking leaf, but like a, like an oak leaf, like a giant oak leaf, like that shape, you know, like an oval shape, right? They're like a big, you know, like a big round leaf. Tobacco plants, they grow more low and wide, right, versus like tall and like, he like, tomato plants can grow.

Okay. For some reason that's the tune they chose. They did check a few other plants. At the end, wheat, corn, grapes, cactus, and henbit. Okay. Yes. Yeah. They didn't really like, go as, is in depth with those, but you know, they actually, like, they just check and see if they made the sound. Oh, wow. But like, I mean, that is interesting that like they also practice this across a couple different varieties of plant. They also developed machine learning models

where they could like train a computer to be able to detect these sounds and say, oh, you know, this plant is drought stress or you know, this plant, you know, something's happening like a herbivore. Like the cutting is kind of like an herbivore eating it, right? You can detect that like it's only on sound that's insane. Like, think about that.

They could set up, you know, microphones in a like a greenhouse. You can measure water levels with this. It's insane. These guys are just starting to develop this. Think about in the future, you know, because no one's really researched this before. You know, like research, I guess they have like research. They know that plants make sounds, right? Okay. And usually, like, they think that the reason why they're making sounds is because of a process called cavitation in the xylem of the plants. Do you know, are you familiar with cavitation?

I'm not. I mean, well, cavitation, like the not. I mean well cavitation like the word I guess Still no no So like the word of general means for something like fall in on itself, right? Okay, and what that means in the plant when something's drought stressed Eventually the water will dry up, right? So there will be Air pockets where they're usually as water running through the plant. And that's not good, right?

That'd be like air pockets running through our veins, you know, essentially. Because of that, like that creates air bubbles and like kind of like, you know, messes up the xylem. I don't think it actually falls into itself. They form expanded collapse and like that screws up the cellular structure of the Xylem. When that happens, that produces noise. If you think about it, it's a physical thing happening. Obviously, that's going to make vibrations, which is going to create noise. Right. That noise could be heard by animals or insects or other plants. Yeah, that's a good point.

We can't hear these noises, because this is in the ultrasonic frequency. They focus on the ultrasonic range of like 20, 150 kilohertz, so like, you know, a kind of wide range of ultrasonic, but through that they were able to hear these plants. We can't hear ultrasonic rate or sounds obviously But in a little bit I'm gonna play the sounds like you know tone down to

To our ears. I bet that animals can hear that like this is very new research So we don't know if animals are like hearing these noises and responding to them or you know Even plants because plants themselves, there's other things like volatile organic compounds or VOCs, they release that when there is a drought or when they're like being attacked by herbivores or being cut, right? And the VOCs from the neighboring plants, they can sense that.

Plants, neighboring plants, can sense when other plants next to them are, you know, in stress essentially. So, and through that, those plants that sense that stress, they can like increase the resistance to the stressor. So, like, it's insane. Like, plants are talking to each other just from like, you know, smells and maybe even noises. We don't, we don't know yet, but it's more you know more research. This is new research. You know, this is fresh like 2023 stuff right so they found that like both the cut and the and the dried plants like produce significantly more sound than The control group, right? So they had like you know a few plants of each in the acoustic chamber

Right drought stress some of the tomato and tobacco plants. Theyress some of the tomato and tobacco plants. They cut some of the tomato and tobacco plants, and then they didn't do anything to them. They also put a just pot in there, just because you never know. Like a pot's gonna make noise or something. Right. They didn't, but you never know, man.

Those sneaky pots. And it's interesting. It's so interesting to kind of take in and gather and like one thing that I would think since we're talking about this high wave of frequencies or whatever is Insects I would think would be the ones who could probably latch on to that really well and off air you and I were talking and since they target or tend to go for we're talking and since they target or tend to go for plants that are distressed, perhaps that is a signal for those animals, for insects. You know what I mean?

It could be. It honestly could be because there is, especially pests, they go after stress plants. So they might like certain insects might even even sense like because the sound is vibration, you know, it's not like so the antenna on insects are really like to sense vibrations and things like that. So if they hear that popping, they might, oh, here's some, you know, stress plant. Let's go see what's going on here, you know. It is crazy.

Yeah. And like I really do think there's so much more research and honestly like monitoring and again, in greenhouses and stuff like that really could really make a difference, you know? Yeah, like I was saying, you know, like so like the okay, so like the cut and the dry, they, the tobacco plants emitted sounds like 35 and a half times per hour. The tomato plants emitted like 11 times per hour. Okay.

Yeah, so they're making a lot of sounds, right? Yeah. The control plants were making less than one per hour. Right. So that's way different. That's a very significant. You know, the cut plants. They were a little bit lower, you know, again, because like it's not as extreme. I would, I would assume. Right. But like 25, you know, 25 per hour for tobacco and like 15 per hour for tomatoes. So like still a lot, like significantly more though. The big thing is the machine learning to me, I think they were able to make like program a computer kind of like AI at all this this chat GVT and stuff that's going on right now to be able to

like listen in on these and identify it and it got it was pretty accurate. Like it was actually more accurate in the greenhouse than it was in the in the acoustic chamber probably because they you know they like hold it in, but like it was like 70% accurate in the acoustic chamber, which is like pretty dang, you know, accurate. And then, like, and then like 84% in the greenhouse. So like, like once they like, turn it all in. That really has seemed weird to me though, because like, I mean, I guess acoustics

and reverb and things like that could contribute to that, what, 14% difference, but like, yeah, I do think that's actually wild that you have that difference between the two. Like I would, I would think it would be the intro. It is weird. The greenhouse would have performed less. Yeah, maybe I read it less or read it wrong.

I don't know. Like, you know, because like I literally reading like a scientific study, you know? So it is pretty dense, but like, I might have read it wrong, but yeah, like, I know 84% of accuracy for sure in the greenhouse cell, which is like really good, you know? Like if you have, like themeite, if you have microphones like in each bed or something like that, I don't know. I'm just thinking of like, like things you can do

with this information, it's, oh, I'm just thinking of like things you could do with this information. It's really a lot, you know? And like you can track, like what they did, they ended up like tracking the daily fluctuations of like when it was water, they could tell like the noise is increased as they dried up or like they could tell like when the stomata opened and stuff like that.

They release gases and stuff, obviously, right? That's where we get our oxygen. That's underneath the leaves, they're things called stomata open and stuff like that, they release gases and stuff obviously, right? That's where we get our oxygen. That's underneath the leaves, there are things called stomata, they're like little like holes essentially, a little mouth almost, like I'm really after purmorphizing this right now, but yeah, so they could track that stuff,

like that's really good data for farmers and things like that, you know? And for automated microphone systems too, like to pick up on those, be able to like diagnose what exactly it is that you're hearing and why, you know? Yeah, and the one big thing, they didn't barely do any research with this,

but they were able to record sounds from a tomato that was infected with tobacco mosaic virus. And that virus is, but like that is a huge thing. Like it was different. The driver's, the cut, there was a different noise, right? There was a different noise, but I don't know how different. But let's say there is a specific noise for that, but like it makes, you know, a specific popping or whatever noise. That could, you know, you'd be able, oh, boom, there you go. We just, we just noticed there's an infection right here. We get that right away. Even just the process of elimination. Exactly. You know, one noise is, is a level of physical trauma and damage to the plant. One is a nutritional, I guess you would call it like element,

where it's not getting enough nutrient and or water. Then you have something like that where it's dealing with a virus or some sort of like disease or whatever. So yeah, or a pest. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Like I really do think like this is, there's a lot to this. Yeah. But to end, there's a lot to this.

But to end, let's hear the sound. It's nothing crazy, right? It just sounds like popping or almost like a microphone popping. But hopefully you can hear through my phone. We're going to try this. But here we go. Yeah, it's just like a little popping. Like this is probably sped up, right? But it's toned down to the human to what we can hear. It was ultrasound. Yeah.

But it just like, this is like, probably air bubbles popping. Think of it like air bubbles popping, right? Yeah, I was going to say think about like a garden hose when there's like a gap or something like that. Like you don't have your connection right in it. It's pushing through that air to get back to the water or whatever it is you're trying to pump out and you hear that, you know that, that.

Yep, exactly like that. There's tons of pressure, well, maybe not into me. Well, there's some good bit of pressures, but like, think about like the giant trees, you know, like over on the Pacific Northwest and stuff. Like, they have to get water from the ground up to those leaves. So that means there's a ton of pressure

coming up from all that stuff. So like, it's pretty crazy. It's like, yeah, yeah. I don't know, I just found it very interesting. I wanted to share it. It's a it's new research. I like new research. I'm always looking for new science because it just you know keeps the mind fresh. But yeah I'll say this when you first pitch me episode 19 is is this topic. I was like what and? And honestly this is this is probably a weird thing, but the thing that came to mind most was the inverse of this is the mythbusters segment on how

plants react to sound. Yeah. So I was like in my head thinking like I really was kind of perplexed and to hear you lay it all out as you have it like it took me in man to be honest for somebody who finds themselves to and honestly I feel like I'm probably more science literate than I give myself credit for sure yeah but definitely to hear this I was really captivated and interested so I appreciate it very much, man. Yeah, definitely, man. You want to leave this out? And with that, everyone, we would love to thank you for joining us here on the Brain Soda Podcast. Find us on Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, for Brad for frog I'm Kyle and we will see you again soon. See ya! Blamey-blame. Brainsoda.