Brain Soda Podcast - Episode 23 - Is Heat 13.2 Billion Light-years Away too Far?

Episode Date: July 8, 2023

This week we're discussing the concept of heat in professional wrestling and if it's gone too far. We're also taking a loon at the new James Weeb Space Telescope! 

Brainsoda Race cars, lasers, aeroplanes, it's the Brain Soda Podcast. I, as always, am your host Kyle, joined by my co-host, Brad. How's it going? We'd like to thank everybody for joining us here today. We're going to be discussing the James Webb Space Telescope. But first, when we were starting this podcast, there was a main event of the revolution pay preview from AEW, which we're not going to cover. And I, if you want to go check out the match, MJ F first,

Brian Daniel said, I'm your man matched, apparently it was great. But is it on YouTube? And you might be able to find on YouTube on YouTube. I'll say maybe. But regardless of that, there was a moment of point in this match that became newsworthy. MJF rolls out of the ring, right? He's getting heat, the different segments of a match

or a character or an angle or whatever it may be that gets that animosity built onto the performer, right? He's outside of the ring, he's jaw jacking with all these fans. You see this young kid up in the front row and his mom and MJF takes this like couple water and just sings it in this kid's face. Wow.

And now this kid apparently was like really upset. His mom was pretty upset. So what? They were taking back stage. They got to meet some of their favorite wrestlers. They were like giving free tickets to the next night's diner myself. Oh yeah, sure.

So everything was smoothed over though. It's what I'm saying. Is that like I'm sure he met MJF. And MJF is like, I'm gonna maybe break K-Fave for this kid, maybe not. But you know what I mean? Like, you know, he was treated to a fan extravaganza because he got pulled into the show and they made it a thing for him, but like it spurred on this question in my head and hopefully by the end of

this you will ask it, if not I will ask it to you. But today we're going to be discussing when does heat go too far. Okay. Now before we start this, I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about, but can you please like define heat? Okay. So heat is, it can be as simple as the first guy in the first match getting on the microphone and just dunking on the local sports team and it can go as far as crucifying your opponent. You know what I mean? Like it literally is just acts or personifications of personality traits that make fans antagonistic against you.

It's the reason why you hate the heel, the bad guy in the wrestling ring, or in the movie, right? Like it is what makes someone villainous, heat. The bad guy, yes. Okay. Right. Yeah, so okay.

So like, like he was antagonizing him. I guess like, and then he just chucked his cup at him. I mean, I'm sure the little kid, I'm sure the little kid was like cheering for Brian Danielson or whatever it was. I don't know. I've never even actually sat down and watched it. We didn't need to say that.

But, but like, I don't, I just know that like, there's this little kid in the front row and MJ of Zings this water It's literally what inspired me on to do this, but to be clear MJ F is this guy who like is very much a talent of his own time because He's more like an old school pro wrestler It's about going out and getting heat and making people feel things and Using that to a listener response versus what a lot of people can do now, which is like cool moves

I used to watch wrestling, you know back in like the late 90s, I guess or everybody yeah exactly when it was probably a That's peak or whatever you know and uh Like yeah, there was a lot of like fan heckling and stuff like that. You know, especially like certain people, you know, would always like, the heels, you know, they would always like specifically like attack, not attack the fans, like they don't throw things at them, but they would always interact, you know, like, yeah. So like that doesn't happen anymore in modern wrestling. Um, I mean, MJF,F I would say is kind of the guy

who comes closest to that. And we're gonna talk about some examples in which there were definitely like attacks on the fans, but let's just be perfectly honest about this from the rip. There were people who were violently maliciously attacked in reality because of heat during like the territory days and stuff like that. Like Terry Funk is a guy who had been stabbed on his way to the ring. There are people. So wrestlers. Yeah, for real. Okay, no, I'm saying like not. Oh, yes.

Sorry. Yeah. The people, the people that are wrestling have a tag by fans. Absolutely. Yeah. For being that egg-sucking dog-terry funk, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That is that is the real deal is that there's doot-zoom-be-scabbed cars have been, you know, sugar and gas tanks and slash tires, baby. They they they've went after professional wrestlers for being those professional wrestlers. Now what what we're gonna talk about is when exactly it goes too far. And I feel like there's a barometer that starts once you start talking about certain things.

So we've seen things like Billy and Chuck where you had two guys who were pretending to be a couple or a character like a gold dust, a kind of and droginous. He was just like for a lot of people those might be better than you would think even though they probably had a lot of heat at the time because like they challenged people's homophobia. For lack of a better word. Yeah I guess yeah yeah because like yeah that was gold dust was like way out of left field back then Right and like but that is the thing of like if you think about all the criticism about professional wrestling aside from it's not real

Was like two guys wrestling in their underwear You know what I mean like that is to have a character They kind of challenges that perception a little bit as well But like I mean, I guess just while we probably already talked about this, but like wrestling is more, it's about the athleticism and stuff, more so in the story, more so than like it being real or not. Like, obviously it's not real, well, to an extent, like, I guess the matches are rigged.

Pre-determined, yeah, it is. Pre-determined, right. So like, that's it, that's it. And they don't like actually hit, I guess, or like throw punches and kicks. But they do. But they do. That's it. Like, and they don't like actually hit, I guess, or like throw punches and kicks. They were pulled punches and kicks and stuff. They're all worth the punches. We're like, maybe you're not even making contact or if you do it, feel so soft that you don't feel you're not actually sore at all. But like the like the jumping and the slamming and the rolling and the falling and like all that stuff.

But okay, it's sore by your sorry, I know, yes. No, you're funny. We're the big tangent. But that is an interesting way to put it because the antithesis of this is, if wrestling is fake, why would you be upset? So that's travel back in time and talk about a guy called Kevin Sullivan. Here you have a guy in like arguably close to the Bible belt,

if not the Bible belt in Florida. And he's acting like kind of a cult leader. You would see characters appear on television and then get pulled into Kevin Sullivan's group. You would see these promos of him like talking with like slight pinpricks of Arabic poking through and stuff like that. And all these like Indian phrases and things like that to make you feel like he's traveled the world and taken some sort of, you know,

a dream venture or whatever else. And then came out on the other side as this like demonic cult leader, which in reality he's just messing with people's feelings to make them more invested in wrestling against dusty roads that Sunday under a pavilion somewhere or whatever it would be, you know. Yeah, let me like, okay, so it was all like just a front, like it was a K-Fab, sorry. K-Fab, yeah.

Yeah, K-Fab, yeah, so like- But people bought into it. Did fans start like following them and stuff like that? No, I mean, I see that is the one point. I don't think we've ever gotten to which like it could happen with a celebrity, like a real deal celebrity, where like, if someone were to like write a script

and have like this cult-ask figure and then that person started to like portray that in the media. Maybe you would get followers, but no, I don't think there's ever been like people coming up to Kevin Sullivan going like, hey look man, I ate the cosmic cookie too, brother, you know away. Yeah, you know, this is turning into a little exaggerated. I guess, well, most cults are exaggerated. You just don't realize it until you're like, wait, or you know, unless you're outside of it, but yeah, and it's good.

Well, no, absolutely. But so, so that's in the 70s in Florida when we were in the territory days too. So I feel like that small regional aspect could have really like held on to why people really, truly bought into it. Moving a little bit forward though, what about like when Hogan started the NWO and arguably the time frame in which you would have started viewing wrestling even if you weren't

watching that wrestling, when Hogan turned in like 96, you know, you had people throwing trash into the ring and like this American icon kind of turning his back on everything that he had said for the 10 years before like, you know, take your vitamins and say your prayers brother. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it really elicited a response out of people. Now there weren't riots and things like that, but like that began a day and age that you're seeing someone of a return to, like people trying to run up in the ring

and mess with a wrestler. And like that's always happened, but I feel like more so then than now, and even now it's starting to happen again. In the past couple of years, yeah, there's been a couple of times that I did run and it's like, because that's like a kind of a normal thing though.

I would get, or from what I kind of gather from like... To that magnitude, I feel like it was way different. Like the whole plot of like, the heel turn. Yeah, the heel turn, especially with like older wrestlers, you know, usually like... Not like that, not like that, but like, okay. When you are the icon of professional wrestling short of Rick Flair, who Rick Flair is even in interview saying it where he's like, he was the flagship

and I was the guy. Paul Foggan's bigger than Rick Flair, I'd say, more about known. Paul Foggan was the guy who came in there, did the promo, the pose, Bing-Bang-BOOM, you know, me against another big dude, leg drop in the middle brother, and we go home happy. And he did that all across the country, all across broadcast television. Rick Flair was a guy who would go for the NWA, from state to state to state, county regions to territories, wherever you want

to call them and wrestle their best guy or their new top prospect for 60 minutes. Make him look like gold and get into a draw or win by the end. Anybody who was anybody in wrestling at that point either came up and was trained by guys or worked with guys who had been wrestling for 10 to 15 years. Yeah. Every single person. That's why wrestling was as good as it was for as long as it was.

No, wrestling goes back so far. Absolutely, but if you were wrestling in the territory days, you had a shot to wrestle with guys who have wrestled world champions way easier than you did, or wrestle that world champion, or be a regional television champion way easier than this did or wrestle that world champion or be a regional television champion way easier than the terrier than it is versus the television era like broadcast nationalized television era. One thing I heard just kind of a tangent about Hulk Hogan is there's

a time when I don't even remember which it was another wrestler and he was trying to get The wrestlers to unionize Jesse Ventura. Yeah, we're gonna talk. I think we're gonna do the ultimate lies of Hulk Yeah, yeah, and yeah Hulk Hogan Hulk Hogan's and he's washed having yeah, that's simple, but yeah Yeah, that's a bullet, but yeah, but that's keep going a little bit further and that moment in time you could kind of see the changing of like more reality-based characters, more real life touchstones to like the NWO, they all wore black and white and they all like carried themselves as if they were like Street hoods. Yeah, like a biker game. Yeah, not no

I'm not saying they were kryps and bloods or anything like yeah And I am saying like in professional wrestling these guys went from being just But you know, we're the the big cabal of bad guys blah to be in like dudes hanging out ball of bad guys to be in like dudes hanging out and smoking cigars in the back of a whatever and then like beating people up in the middle of the ring seven on one and things like that. Like you hadn't really seen that level of things where like every paper view went off the air with them all beating up the two guys who were good guys that came out to fight the NWO by the end of the paper view and spray painting the letters NWO on their back. Really? So I don't really remember that much. NWO was before me. Because you probably didn't watch WCW, but yeah I mean that's that's part of it. Yeah oh no

I didn't yeah like well like so did they get a lot of heat then? Were they like one of the people that like got a got it already pissed at him? That's the weird thing is I would say that's another one that falls below that certain barometer because they were the cool heels. Everybody thought the NWO was kind of cool up until they started beating up who they liked. Okay.

You know what I mean? I'm not like, I don't know. Like the heat thing is crazy. And like, especially like, why would you like, I get why people get passionate? Because like, to me, you know, like, especially like, why would you like, I get why people get passionate? Because like, to me, you know, like, you have to think about like TV shows and movies and stuff like that. People get super crazy passionate about certain TV shows and stuff like, and even sports.

You can emotional and tell people like, you know, go a little crazy and like, maybe attack somebody or something. They get like super invested in, in a certain character or something and they hurt them or whatever. And like so again, I would say when you look at the NWO and that whole thing, like that that again probably drops below our notable barometer or whatever else. But one that may, if you were to really look at where that got deeper in the culture, you have like ECW, where like it wasn't as big about the characters being larger than life. They became larger in life because of all these moments. And a lot of them were highly controversial. At one point you have another kind of not cult leader but

outcast heading a group of other outcasts and Raven. Raven's your ECW champion. He's wrestling against the Sandman. His group beats up on Sandman and the the bingo hall that they were wrestling out of in Philadelphia, and they string him up on a cross, put a bar-boyre crown around his head, and leave him there to end of the show. And actually, later on, like, shortly thereafter, Raven came out into the middle of an ECW ring and apologized. And this is from a company where pile driving the heel valet Got you over. Yeah, like from what I know about yeah, what ECW is like the hardcore right cuz I know I'm from like their Transition and WF it is the most anti-PC and On apologetic

Wrestling promotion of it's dead. Yeah, not like raw of the show, but like raw. Yeah, like, yeah, or else. So why were people were mad because the cross and everything? Well, yeah, I think you have a number of people who, even in the ECW arena, which mind you, if you watch those television tapings and subsequent home video releases in the ECW arena, you see who I in shirt guy and this guy and that guy I mean fans of the ECW arena were known to sit in the same seats and be the exact same guy every time and like

They were a part of the show. Yeah, and like I even those people who were die hard ECW fans I think because they lived in South Philly and they were you know Things like that they probably just were like hey, whoa wait a minute I'm cool with like all the other highly offensive things you guys do Except if you bring Religated to this bridge too Right, and I mean to be fair, there's probably a reason as to why whenever people get that upset about professional wrestling, it comes down to sexual orientation, religion, base level things. But the question that

I wanted to ask is that when we see characters and films and television shows do this, they are often able to be redeemed or we don't sit there and like forever look at Gary Oldham or whoever the actor may be and be like I can't believe he said something like that. But like if a professional wrestler does that and that also is his job is to go out there and elicit a response at a way different more intimate level as well. I think that's exactly what it is. You just you saying that that dawn on me what makes it different is because they're going out in real life and like almost putting on a TV show or a movie versus in front of you at your local bingo hall or other. Yeah. Versus, you know, like you watch it on a TV,

like you can get emotionally invested into something or even in like, stadium, I mean, well, I guess like the bigger ones have stadiums and stuff, but like, yeah. But I mean, but no, that's where people were throwing trash at Hogan and things like that. I mean, they weren't, they weren't at your local, you know, bingo hall, they were, they were in the middle of the room.

And they do that, they do that. You know what I mean, you know, that happens at smart. So like, I mean the middle of the room. And they do that, they do that. You know what I mean, you know, like that happens at smart. So like, I mean, yeah. It's one of those things that I just, I wanted to get into because to me, it's, it is a weird indefinable question. I mean, at one point, we're going to talk about the attitude era and that one, I want to save because it's actually chock full of questions of, did they go too far to get heat here?

But like like for me I think it's funny that we as a society or fan base or whatever else can all look at each other and accept somebody saying like Well, wrestling's not real and then look at the responses that it garners versus television or music or film at times and be like But this is way more for real or film at times and be like, but this is way more of a real risk than any of those other things. Because it happens a lot more often. And maybe it's the fan base. That's the last thing I would say.

Yeah, it could have something to do with the fan base as to a second extent. But regardless, I feel like things could garner so much heat at times that you might even be able to see it from like a giant space age telescope. Especially one that would look at the infrared spectrum because that's heat. So actually, you know what, the James Webb Space Telescope

will be pretty good at seeing all this heat generated. If you imagine James Webb Space Telescope, you'd have to have a police barricade around you at all times. You might have to. Possible. So tell me about this thing. All right.

What do you know about space telescopes? To be honest, man, not very much. I know that we've discussed the Hubble before and things like that, obviously not on the show. And honestly, man, I was really surprised when we were talking off air. And you would mention that the James Webb is something you heard about back when we were at high school. So I've probably heard you say it, but figured it was in the sky before not even in the sky. But you know what I mean? I figured it was up and running before the point that it's actually been up and running, right? Oh yeah. No, it's taken so long, man. It's the largest telescope ever

launched into space. And it took over like 20 years for this thing to be made and completed. Yes. But you told me about it when we were in high school. So when did you first hear it? I was around when I was in high school. Like when I started getting into a space, honestly, because like it started, you know, like the initial plans began in like 96, right? There was two concept studies that were commissioned in 99

for it, and with a predicted 2007 launch, and a $1 billion budget. So you know, like, I mean, a billion dollars for space is pretty, I mean, it's not terribly expensive, because space is expensive. Well, I mean, and when you look at where we spend a lot of money on other things too, it's not as bad as... Exactly. In the end, it took about like 20 years for the construction to be complete.

Like I said, it was completed in 2016 and it cost around $10 billion. But it's worth it. In a way, it's like, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. So, like, did you ever find out specifically,

like if there were certain holdups besides money, I know at one point during that time frame, NASA was defunded wholesale. Yeah, like that's really what it was. It was mostly funding. Like it really wasn't much other than funding that like cost because because remember, like it cost more money. Like that they gave it a billion dollar money that they went over

budget. Like, well, we need more money, you know, so like it is yeah, we need like that budget 10 times over. So this tells us go it's it's equipped with the these high resolution and high sensitivity instruments and that allows it to see images like way clearer and farther than any other telescope that we have. It's including the Hubble Space Telescope like you mentioned and the Hubble is kind of like its scientific predecessor in a way you know like it's it's our yeah right it's closer to earth and it actually looks at a different like spectrum wavelength of light so really like it is the same but it's not you know we'll get into that a

little bit later but okay yeah so the James Webb like it's really looking for is like the first stars and the formation of galaxies and like looking for like the beginnings of the universe almost. And also. So like big bang materials. Yes. Yeah. Okay. A lot of like early galaxies and things like that. Because like the farther you look, space is weird. And this like gives me a headache thinking about it.

But the farther you look, it's actually the farther in time. Because you're going in space time, right? Space time requirement. Yeah. So if you're looking, you know, billions of light layers. It's like shooting a arrow up in D&D. You not only have to accumulate for physical distance, but time lapse to get there.

Like you're going into the air and across to an object. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Yes. But it's also looking for potentially habitable exoplanetsets too, which are planets that are outside of our solar system You know surrounding other suns and orbiting them. Dig it. Yes, and they found a few already which is like most of these though Like actually any of these are too far away for current technology to get to rich people in and something

Yeah, I mean maybe maybe you know common people plans. can figure out how to get close to like more people planets yeah at least poor people working on them Kyle I mean how are the working yeah working for yeah to be fair I'm not a poor I'm working for yes I mean you got to have people you got to have people you know wait I you're everything but anyways this was built through partnership, through both the European Space Agency, the Canadian Space Agency and NASA. So like, it wasn't just us that built it. It was actually like a big collaboration

among multiple countries, but it was centered. Yeah, it's really cool, because that doesn't happen very often. It does, there's a lot of collaboration in space, but like to do like a big project like this, not really, you know. The telescope though was built at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, and I only know Goddard from Jimmy Neutron. Jimmy Neutron? Yeah. Come on Goddard, yeah. I can't do his voice, I don't think. I did learn about him in astronomy class. I took astronomy college, but I just, I don't,

yeah, like I just don't remember what he did, but you know, that's what sticks my head unfortunately, is Jimmy Neutron. Good job, no. Yeah, I mean, I probably, I definitely watched more hours in Jimmy Neutron than, you know, probably took a astronomy class. I'm assuming, I don't know, or just,

it being on that level. I feel like either way it's time well spent. Yeah, it's good show. Yeah, it's good show. Yeah, it's good. But so the telescope now though is being operated at the Science Institute of Baltimore at Javins Hopkins University. Very cool. Northrop government was the primary contractor, which is, you know, what a military

contractor to, unfortunately, but a lot of, you know, military space are very interconnected. So James E. Webb, though, he was the administrator of NASA, from 1961 to 1968. And that was like during the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo missions. So pretty much like the whole. Right. The most known NASA stuff there is, right? Exactly. Yeah. You know, like going into space and then going to the moon

and everything like that. So like, yeah, he's very influential. That's pretty cool that they native it after him, you know. So the telescope actually launched though on Christmas day in 2021. And so like even it was done in 2016, but it still took another five years for to launch. But it was on an area and five rocket from the USA, the European Space Agency. And it launched out of Peru, French, Guyana. And I don't know why it launched out down there. I think it has something to do with the equator or something, you know, like because maybe it's the atmosphere is thinner at that point or...

Well, it could be temperature too, right? I thought I had heard part of the challenger was because of temperatures that... That's true. Yeah, oh, now, yeah, like things get delayed all the time, like for space, like launches, because of temperature. And that might be why. Yeah, because it's the equator, you know, around the equator. So more stable temperatures and all that that could be it. Okay, okay. But so when it launched though, they launched it at slightly like less speed than it needed to be when it to reach his end orbit

And the reason why they did that is because it could speed up but it kind of slowed out and Have you ever have you ever played like any like the space rocket games or anything like that? No, no, I've played ever space, which is a rogue like lights him. That's it I think curable space program is like the biggest one and that one's, uh, it's a PC game. I've never played it but it looks awesome. Great. But, uh, there's like a bunch of apps and stuff that you can get online, you know, or on your phone, obviously. And like, the big thing though is like, it's all about physics, right? Right. Like, you have these rocket, like, you know, rockets are, they're shooting up the end. So, to be able to slow down, typically the way they do that is they like use their little

boosters to like spin around backwards and then use their big rockets to slow them self-stow. Okay? Like you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, using that inertia from the booster rockets to get yourself backwards and then the big rockets will like, stop. Stop that perpetual forest right. Exactly. It's all about forces. You know, like you're moving one way, if you shoot your rockets, go on the opposite way, it's gonna slow you down.

Great. So that would be all great, except that the way that the James Webb Space Telescope was designed is there's this giant sun shield, and that's to block all the heat and everything from the sun and also the earth and the moon. So it wasn't able to turn around. If it were to turn around all the sensitive instrumentation and stuff like I'm actual telescope itself. Yeah. Like the radiation. I get fried. Yeah. So because of that it had to go a little slow, you know, so it like they just they had to start off slower than it could slowly, you know, if it needed speed up a little bit, it's

sped up until it just got right at where it needed to be to get into this Lagrange point, which is 930,000 miles away or 1.5 million kilometers away from the earth. And it's at a point where the earth and the sun have equal like gravity, you know, gravitational force acting upon it. Right. That way it doesn't really need to, you know, expend a lot of energy to stay in orbit in that in that. Right. It's the closest to like a a sanitized state. Yeah. Dead zone, I guess. Yeah. Like a gravitational dead zone, I guess Yeah, like a gravitational dead zone, I guess with me. Yeah, that's a better way to say it probably yeah I guess so orbits the earth almost You know, it's just it's at like you know It's at a specific distance away from the earth where like the gravity's kind of the same while it traveled though

It started deploying all of its stuff. It's solar array and it's antenna and it's sun shield and the mirrors and everything and It did have three planned course corrections to speed up and those went fine, you know, if we're talking just right and they were able to get the orbit in and so planned so that it could reassure it was aligned with its course and speed up. So like two speed up like course corrections. Okay. Like it's sped up two correct its course. So yes, again, going back to these games, I really like these games because it really shows how like it puts it very simply how like rockets and stuff works.

You know, like putting rocket science to like, you know, the labement, it really is what it's doing. When you add more force, right, you add more acceleration. Right. Think of when you're orbiting a planet, right? You have like, think of a circle around that planet and that's your orbit. Okay.

Okay. And when you speed up, that circle becomes bigger and bigger. Like that until, until a point where you're going so fast that you like break the planet's gravity and you just start going straight out. Right, okay. That's kind of like what it's doing, right?

So like as it's traveling and it's speeding up, that circle's getting bigger and bigger. And then when I get that circle right to be, you know, 930,000 miles radius from the right, it's pretty crazy, man. Like, and that's so great. Like how they can do that. Like landing on planets and stuff, man, it's just insane to me. We can do stuff like that. But to move on though, the sun shield itself was actually made of like five layers of plastic coated with metal and each layer was like a stint as a human hair. So it really wasn't that thick of a shield, but you know, it was able to insulate enough to wear the sun's heat when interfered with the telescope. It arrived about a month later on January 24th in 2022. And it didn't actually become functional for about six months. On July 12th was when it was functional.

And I remember that last year, man, I was watching that like every day waiting to hear like, oh, another mirror, you know, was put into alignment and stuff like that, you know? Like I was like waiting with baited. They were almost there. Yeah, man, like it was really cool. And like it ended up, there was like two mirrors

that weren't perfectly aligned, but it still worked fine. And they ended up there's like two mirrors that weren't perfectly aligned But it still worked fine and they might have fixed that right up. I haven't checked up on that right Yeah, so like you were saying like you have to use less speed you have to course correct you have to this you have to that and like The steps that it would have to take to get into this lowest common gravitational point Yeah, yeah, it is like it's so, it isn't saying. I don't know, just how they can be so precise with everything.

But at the end of the day, man, it's all just physics. It's numbers. You put this much force into this much mass and move it this way. It'll end right here. Especially out in space because there's no like air to worry about. You know, you don't have to worry about aerodynamics and stuff. Right, that is true, yeah, yeah.

So, but until like the structure of the telescope, right? So this is a Newtonian telescope. And we kind of touch on Newtonian telescopes on the Newton episode. Right. What that is, is that it uses mirrors to focus the light instead of using lenses, instead of using a glass lenses. And this one, this is actually 18 hexagonal mirrors

made into a hexagon that focuses light on a single point that focuses it back into the center of that hexagon. And that's kind of like how most Newtonian lights work, right? They're like a mirror that focus to a smaller mirror, and then that one shoots down into the center of that thing. So is it kind of like a relay, almost to an extent, where all of that is coming into the center and then back out?

Kind of, yeah, like, I mean, yeah, so you got like, you have this big mirror, right? And that's to collect as much light as you can, right? You got, you know, the bigger the mirror, the more light it collects. Like think of light as just a bunch of little particles, like going through, well, the space. Right. And all of those particles are caught by this big mirror. And it's shaped in a way where all of those particles are focused to that one small spot

above it. And then that once that's focused, it's just shot straight back down to be red. Or you know, like in the case of on Earth, you know, with a Newtonian telescope here, we would look through it through an IP's, right? That's where it focuses to. But yeah, so it kind of, yeah, it just focuses the, the, like, lenses work the same way. Think of like, you kill an ants with the magnifying glass or something Yeah, it's kind of like that These these gold plated burillion plates that are mirror segments that I was telling you about though

They combined these thing make a 21 foot or 6.5 meter diameter mirror. And that compared to Hubble's seven foot 10 inch or 2.4 meter mirror. So that's like almost three times as big as Hubble's mirror. It's insane. Yeah. So speaking of like the light collecting area, you know how the bigger mirror, that's 269 square feet or 25 square meters

or six times as much as Hubble. So like, like, what? What? Six times? Six times. Yes. Like, you got to think like that's Hubble made some crazy images, you know? And we'll talk in just a second about some of these images because I would like you to

look them up and they're beautiful. Especially, I mean, the Hubble's are beautiful. Like, you know, those images made me me interested in astronomy and stuff, you know? And to see the updated version, almost like the HD version of it is just odd inspiring. It really is. So yeah, so kind of going into the spectrums, you know, we talked about this a little bit earlier, but Hubble observes in the near ultraviolet frequency range and it's a visible, right? So that's like visible to like, you know, like the purple, the purple blue shift. Whereas the James Webb, that views in the visible to the near infrared. So it's kind of

the opposite end of the spectrum. It's looking for like, you know, the visible down to the red shift, right? And by doing this though, it can really look at like older things. It can kind of see like the heat from the big bang almost, you know, like that's one of the things that it's able to look for is like the infrared heat that was left over from the big bang. The remnants of the big bang, right? Exactly. Yeah. And infrared also is greatly obscured from ground level, right? Because we have the atmosphere, which like, you know, blocks that is heat itself. So like down on earth, we can't see infrared very well. Whereas up in space, there's, I mean, there is infrared, obviously, that's what it's looking for, but it's not, you know, it's not blocked out, like it isn't the atmosphere down here.

Right. So what is it that makes infrared harder to see? Is it just things within the atmosphere? Well, you gotta think about all the heat. That's the whole, like global warming, right? We talked about that, like the greenhouse effect. Right, yeah. The heat is on Earth, holding the heat. So like there's more heat on the Earth than outside of the... Right, we're just like swimming in insulation almost

with all the heat around us and everything else. Okay, yeah. Think of, like, yeah. That's a perfect example. Think of heat as insulation and you're trying to look for insulation. You know, you're trying to look for insulation through insulation. Yeah. In a sense. Yeah.

For more heat while you're in this insulated area. Yeah. Like fog. Yeah. You know, fog. You're trying to look for more fog through a kind of foggy or cloudy area already. Yeah. That's almost exactly what it's like. It is kind of cloudy with infrared heat. So yeah, it needs to be kept at extremely cold temperatures so that like none of the infrared

can interact with it. That's kind of like the whole reason why the sun shield is so important. You know, some of the things that it's looked for so far are like comets and asteroids and dwarf planets and yeah, beyond the orbit of Mars there's like tons of stuff like in the asteroid belt and the Kuiper belt. The asteroid belt is in between Mars and Jupiter obviously I think a lot of people know about that one but have you heard of the Kuiper belt though? No it almost reminds me of the Kessel Run although I'm sure it's not that. No, what know, what is the castle run? Castle run is what? Handsolo makes in the solo film and referenced in the original movie. I don't know, it might be,

but I don't think so, but maybe. I mean, it's just the K names, that's all. Oh yeah. When you say the Kuiper belt, I'm like, I wonder if they took that name and we're not gonna call it the Kuiper run. We'll call it the Kessel run, or whatever. Yeah, but the Kuiper Belt though is like,

it's kind of like an asteroid belt outside of the solar system or the outer part of the solar system. Right. And that's actually where like Pluto is. And kind of the reason why Pluto isn't a planet, it's a dwarf planet, you know, like it's like, that's something that I'm, you know,

very, very strong opinion on. Sorry, Pluto is not a planet. I mean, it is, it's an awesome dwarf I'm you know very very strong opinion on sorry Pluto is not a planet I mean it is it's an awesome dwarf planet, you know, but it's just it doesn't clear its path There's a moon that orbits it that they orbit each other, you know You can't have a moon orbiting it they spend together around a central point because they're so close in mass like There's another bigger series is bigger in the asteroid belt and Pluto. I'm sorry, I'm going on tangent, but I do love Pluto though.

It's a beautiful, like, may I have you seen those earlier pictures of it? A Pluto power just a few more, but. Right. It can also, like, it can respond really quickly to things like supernovae and gammaverse and stuff like that. Okay, yeah. So like within 48 hours it can be moved

and like focused on a new object, which is pretty quick, you know, versus like... That is crazy. Yeah, and some of the things that it's, it looked for the first picture released by the White House was actually the deep field picture, and you should check that out, like you should pull that out really quick, Kyle, if you can.

Yeah, I will, I'll pull it. And I guess like you can do like the Hubbleverse James Webb or something like that. But if you look at it, man, especially the Hubble one. I mean it's beautiful. It's a picture that a lot of us have seen and I remember this being like a poster at one point in during school. I'm sure about yeah like cuz okay, so like the history behind this photo There was this black spot at least to our eyes in the night Hubble, you know, early on, when it first came into function, they pointed it to this black spot, the sky, and took a picture. And this is what they saw. So like, it's just filled with galaxies and stars and

nebula and everything is beautiful, you know? Just what we thought was nothing, you know, is just filled with stuff. So now they did that with James Webb, which, you know, has six times more viewing area than the Hubble did. And if you look at these pictures, like comparative, you know, one to the other, it's insane. Like, just how much brighter and more detailed the James Webb picture is. Right. It reminds me of the people who've taken like the Zack Snyder films and like pulled out the Sepiatoans or something like that. You know what I mean?

Like it is one of those things where it literally at times does just kind of feel like you put a muddy filter over the James Webb but then you realize, you know, the story that you're laying out for us right now, and you can just see the vastness of what is discoverable, obtainable information with this technology versus what we were using before in the Hubble. Very cool. I do too, man. I do too. But do you see the... Okay, are you looking at the James Webb picture? Just like one last thing on this picture really quick.

So sorry for people that are like drive or whatever I can't look at the picture right now but I highly recommend it. But look up into the kind of the in the top right section should I say there's a star and there's like a streak above that right above that it's like an orange streak that's like right above that star do you see it I think so yeah yeah yes so that right there that is either a star or a galaxy it's warping the light of that galaxy with its gravity yeah cuz it does it does kind of look like this like tunnel exactly kind of wrapping around and like a lot of the image you can see that. All that warping is that. That's what's happening with the warping right there. But I think that's like the best example

because you can kind of see what's going on, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that in the bottom part of it, it's that one brighter star kind of the center bottom, you know, that's warping all those other galaxies. But it's like a kaleidoscope of different possibilities. Exactly.

Like, think about, it's galaxies, man. Like, those are like, it's literal galaxies. Like, so there's like billions of stars in those galaxies and in those, you know, those stars have, you know, tens or, you know, maybe even more planets around them. So just imagine like how many planets are out or in that picture. Wow. It's insane to think about.

Yeah, it's even more perplexing now to hear you say that part of it. Yeah. It's looked at Jupiter, which those pictures are awesome as well. It's looked at some like young star forming regions and like I haven't looked at those, but you know, I guess it's, it's notable because like very you know nice detailed pictures but it's also looked at a wide variety of galaxies that are believed to date from 235 million to 280 million years after the big bang which sounds like a long time but that's like super super early after the big bang because they're super early

galaxies and like I don't even know what information they came from them, but I'm sure life, but is the earth formed by this point? No, no, no, we like, I want to say, okay, I'm pretty sure the universe is about 14.5 billion years old. I want to say, and the earth is about 4 billion. So we're talking 10 billion years before the earth. It gives me a headache thinking about it sometimes,

but like space time, right? The farther that you look, go in space, the farther back in time you go when you're looking. Because you're looking like so, so far, the distances are just so immense. Like billions and billions and trillions like 10 to the you know 10 miles away

Yeah, but just one last thing and this is 12 billion light years away Which is still like we'll never see this we'll never get there unless we like learns light travel But even that to 12 billion light years, so that's 12 billion years if we were to travel the speed of light, right? But we, uh, the James Webb was able to to detect organic molecules in a galaxy 12 billion light years away. Wow. That is wild though. Yeah. That just happened just recently. yeah. Oh man. Everybody spike your hair up. Aliens. It is aliens man.

No, they've got to be out there. That's James Webb. Yeah, I'm a bloodshed man. Like I just, I love space. I can tie my space forever. But anyways, you want to leave it? Okay. We would love to thank you for joining us here as always on the

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