Brain Soda Podcast - Episode 28 - Tunguska: A Comical Image

Episode Date: August 12, 2023

On this week's episode we're discussing the formation and history of Image Comics and the Tunguska impact event!

Brainsoda. Come here, honey. It's the Bra brain soda podcast. I, as always, am your host Kyle, join by my co-host and co-hurt. Brad, how's it going? Today, we're going to be talking about the Tunguska event, but first! Brad, yes. Today, we're talking about image comics. Image comics. Are they related to Marvel or DC in

any way? So that is actually who they departed from in mass. Okay. And they actually probably supplanted DC in what is widely a two competitor market, right? We're gonna get into that a little bit more. So let's begin. Okay. I wanna take you to the late 80s and I wanna bring up a name for you. Tell me if you've heard of them, Venom.

Is he somehow related to a guy named Peter Parker? He is, and he was created by an artist named Todd McFarley. Did Venom have his own like comics and stuff? Venom as a character in the very beginning is a huge malice monster, right? Like villain and antagonist for Spider-Man in a very fearsome foe in that aspect, right? Venom had a book called Lethal Protector in which Venom had became more of an anti-hero and to be fair that is the

trajectory of most marketable villains that have a fan base to them is well people love them. He hasn't done anything so irredeumable that we couldn't fathom making him an anti hero Let's do that. Harley Quinn is a great example of that within the DC universe. That's very true Yeah, yeah get cuz like I don't know and arguably anywhere, you know Like from the the very intro Cold open that we have half of Ball's villains become members of the team. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like by the time you get to see.

It's very true, Vegeta, boo. Pickle, oh, yeah. Pickle, oh, yeah. Yamcha, TN from Dragon Ball, absolutely. We will be talking about that soon. But for now, we're gonna stay with image comics. So because of the way that the industry was geared within that time, you have seven of the most rock star

creators, all artists, mind you. But that, I feel like is what was selling books in the 80s or 90s too, Like, but this is post Frank Miller. So we know that artists can become writers as well. We know that characters can develop beyond just being the bloodlust villain and have a market base to them as well. Yeah. Right.

Because like, I don't know, I know Venom, I think I've mentioned before, that the Spider-Man is the one comic that I kind of know about more, so than other ones. Tertiary. Yeah. Knowledge. Right, yeah.

Venom, I knew he became a good guy at some point, but I didn't know too much about him. All that I knew was he was originally a bad guy and then became a good guy essentially. Jim Valentino, Will's poor Tiso, Mark Sylvester, Eric Larson, Rob Liefeld, Jim Lee, Todd McFarland. These are original seven founders of Image to know the books that these guys made their bread on originally is actually really interesting because they're largely X-Men and Spider-Man titles. Really? Jim Lee, Rob Leifeld most specifically amongst those two.

Larson definitely had some Spider-Man. I think some Hulk Todd Ben famous like the Spider-Man 300 cover, which is like one of the most famous Spider-Man covers of like a more modern age, you know, it's Todd McFarland art. And like, go think Todd McFarland, because he's the guy who really kind of made it a point of note to like even make that webbing look.

That is one good thing about, yeah. Yeah. Mark Sylvester had done a lot of work with Wolverine and the X-Men and things like that. Jim Valentino, I believe as well, had done a lot of work with Wolverine and the X-Men and things like that. Jim Valentino, I believe as well, had done a lot of X-Men work. And Jim Valentino is actually going to be a little bit important when we get later into the story. But in Manchester Company, then goes into this really interesting model, but it also kind of backfires later on with some of Todd's work most specifically.

So the way that it works is that each one of these seven creators then has a studio. It's essentially like a co-op. All of these studios are underneath the image banner, which they would probably use for publishing, distribution, and things like that. But the creative element stays in house. Yeah, they're all like within the umbrella. So after 92, these, these books really start to explode. And one of the documentaries I had watched in preparation for this,

liveeld actually talks about meeting easy E and how he loved young blood. Yeah, it's just what any does like an easy E impersonation stuff like that. It's really funny but I mean culturally spawn wild cats Savage dragon young blood. I think okay. I've heard of spawn obviously right right right I guess spawn is another cat. I think I really got into but wild cats too. I think I've heard ofcats was an animated series at one point. Yep, that a different, yep.

And mind you, this is before the bubble burst. This is before comics kind of went into a free fall for I think literally everybody. The image I never really see too much about how bad they were hurting in the mid to late 90s, but I know for a fact Marvel and DC were, Marvel especially because they subcontracted these guys to come back and do heroes reborn. So literally, by this point, the only things that are selling at Marvel really are

Spider-Man and X-Men, and that's about it. Yep, and that's what they made movies about. And to be fair, the reason why Disney during its acquisition of Marvel didn't have to worry about or malign characters like they did with the X-Men or made a kind of backdoor deal with Sony to have access to Spider-Man was because who gives a f*** about a Thor movie?

What? In 1999. The Thor's not selling. Captain America's not selling. This isn't selling that, isn't selling. But that's what Disney did. They made it sell. Because if you make a good movie about something,

you're right. Then they're gonna be like, oh, this is a good movie. Let's go see it. Well, what Iron Man was when it really like, was the beginning. Iron Man in 2008 is the beginning. And I will say this, You have runs adjacent to those films coming out, the Disney acquisition and stuff like that.

Like Matt Fraction's Iron Man. Even to look at the timeframe that we're talking about in the main line of our story, like think about what was on television for us as kids, the X-Men animated series, Batman the animated series is still running and Spider- Batman the animated series is still running, and Spider-Man the animated series is running. But Imogen have any of that stuff, right?

Well, but it did though. Why are cats have animated spines? Spawn had a theatrical film. And they had a series too, but I don't think it was anything. It's the HBO series. It's not bad. It's actually probably a better telling of that story. Not that there was detectives from spawn too. Obviously.

Same in Twitch. Yep, same in Twitch. Those are great. That's where Bendis, a huge Marvel creative, really kind of broke in. Okay. But I mean, look, I'm going to kind of flash forward really fast, you say.

Instead of falling off completely wholesale, image today is the place where a Peter J. Tomassi or a Scott Snyder or the name off whoever you may is going to do a property at image and not be within the cape, you know, interconnected universe, not have to deal with editorial mandates about not being able to use this character who's in the Suggestion event, although that happens all the time. Here's a Reborn is initiative that Marvel went through where they brought back Lifeeld

and Lee to do work on the Avengers. So it is the Avengers teams done in Heroes Reborn after the events of like on slot and X-Men event. And it literally went so bad that the deal was terminated after like six issues and stuff like that. And they just kind of came in and rebooted with guys like Mark Wade and various other creatives and the Marvel universe as we know it largely takes place within that. You have the Marvel Knights Initiative that begins after that that has

work with Kevin Smith and Kevin Eastman and well, but why did they go bad though? Like was just like creative differences or? You have, well, I believe that to a large extent is part of it because like, life felt as a guy who gets dunked on all the time, even though he's an artist, a well-known and beloved ex-man artist who like can't draw feet, air quotes, right? Like, I would say most superheroes are chued, so you can't, you can get around that. No, we're saying even the

Shoot feet of a character Don't look they look jank and like they covered up by random rock and things like that But look I will make the point to say this like if you look at Rob Liefields Captain America art where like his neck in his head are extremely disproportionate to his muscled out body and image in this point is also notorious for having to delay books because they're not done, which was a problem with heroes reborn as well that like projects are essentially under quality or out of deadline. Okay. Shortly thereafter, Jim Lee sells his wild storm studio and subsequent universe with wild

cats, the authority to DC and eventually leaves and becomes the chief creative officer currently. So he sold this stuff and then he sold his studio because it's he owns the rights to everything he creates for image. And like they're in tails, one of the problems that Todd McFarlane fell into with bond because like he had guys like Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman come in and do some work here and there and they created characters like Angela, Coglio Stroh.

And even Liefeld, who had chapel of young blood, originally is the person who kills Al Simmons. By the time that Liefeld leaves image, now Todd has to backtrack and retconn it to be a different character. Angela is now a part of the Marvel universe because Game and then McFarland had a lawsuit over the creative rights to Angela.

Yeah, it really is one of those things that kind of bird Todd to a certain extent, but Todd's been doing extra curricular stuff like working video games and his toy lines and things like that. It's not to say that Todd McFarlane was just completely wiped out from these events, but it does show some of the pitfalls that could happen from this creative co-op that image is and was. So I feel like the real Renaissance image comics and why we flashed forward to say now and today's day and age, even

though books like Spawn, Savage Dragon, what have you exist, there's a guy who comes to the door in 2003 and he's got this superhero book he's gonna do for image called Invincible. There's this subsequent pitch that he has about a zombie book. And Jim Valentino wasn't really all that big on just another zombie story so he jits him real quick and tells some aliens are involved as well.

Everybody spik your hair up, aliens. Aliens. But that book turns out to what I find to arguably be even more successful than spawn, and maybe only short of the Ninja Turtles, the most successful independent comic book of all time, and that would be the Walking Dead. Robert Kirkman becomes the only person to ever become a founder post its founding at image. Okay. And to this day, skybound entertainment works in video games and television projects. And like, I would say arguably besides Todd, who has been like the leading striving force within images, like a whole creative and ambassador for the industry

and that company specifically, Robert Kirkman is probably number two in that aspect. If not number one. That is so crazy, man. Like so he pretty much just like took image and just like scooped him up and saved them from nothingness, I guess it's like walking dead guy. It did. Walking it was a phenomenon. You know, yeah. Right. Again, as far as when

the bubble burst, I don't know how bad image was doing. The industry overall in general was doing bad, but I think image may have still been doing all right because like people were ready to read which blade and they were ready to read spawn still and to be fair 97 that is when spawn is being filmed if not released that television show is on HBO so like there's a good shot images actually doing better than Marvel at this point as As far as exact sales figures are, I don't know that to be true, but I don't think they really faltered as much as like they probably gained less favor.

And to be fair, a lot of that probably comes from works like Kingdom Come, where Mark Wade, shout out to Mark Wade, is kind of looking at the comic book industry overall and going like you don't, it doesn't all have to be blood-gorn grit, man. It doesn't all have to be grim dark, you know what I mean? As a matter of fact, superheroes are one of the things we as a culture had and have to be aspirational, inspirational, and optimistic about, right? Like, to make all of them so grim and gritty and make things so dour is counterintuitive at times and

when exploited to a large scale, a mistake, I would say. Yeah. For the most part, that's really kind of where I wanted to leave off because I feel like image as a company is doing really, really well. It's in its 31st year. And again, it is a great place if you're looking at the medium. If you don't even want to read superhero books, that's the company you go to. Yeah, exactly.

Like, I've always been like not superhero comic guy, you know, like I've always read even like anti hero things and stuff. And like, yeah, walking dead was a really good one. Yeah. That's one of my favorites for sure. And there is a litany of those things like planet, things like paper girls, things like God's country,

you know what I mean? Even just the Kirkman books themselves, Thee of Thieves, I saw a lot of people praising on its initial release, outcast, and things like that. And like, yeah. He did do some work at Marvel and I think one of them were going to cover because Kirkman's responsible for Marvel's zombies. Okay. And that's like a beloved book I really want to check out. Kirkman is? Robert Kirkman, yeah.

He did like a two year run on ultimate X-Men and things like that. Oh yeah, I guess the X-Men's play-ass. Yeah, Kirkman has a little bit of Marvel work I'd like to check out. But I would say that is the epicenter of that stuff. Is Marvel Zombies one and two, I believe he produced. But yeah, man, Image Comics, the 31 years in and a litany of amazing Stories that the only other thing I could think of to make such an impact would be like some sort of asteroid event, right? Yeah, I think that would make do you have one in mind?

Well, I mean, there's this one called the Tunguska event and I'll share it. Let me tell you about it Okay, man, it's almost like we had an intro where we said we're gonna cover Yeah, we almost did So this happened 115 years ago back in 1908 it happened in like a very sparsely Possibly the area so like really there's not much detail about it But there was I witness this and stuff and, it happened way over in Siberia, over the Tunguska River. In present day, Krasnoyarski, Kri, I think,

I tried to look that up, I think that's how you pronounce it. Excuse me if I didn't pronounce it right. But the blast though, was estimated to be, as much as 12 megatons of TNT, and it flattened an area of 830 square miles or 2150 square kilometers. That's insane. Is there like a comparable geographic location to that? I don't know. I should have looked that up. But like, yeah, quarter of Texas or something. Exactly. 830 square miles is huge. Like, yes.

And like, but like 12 megatons of TNT. I don't know why we measure stuff in like TNT. Like that would just happen to be like the explosive. We're like, all right, from now on, everything's gonna be measured in TNT amounts. But, you know, cause I do like, even with nukes and stuff, it's like, you know, this many megatons of TNT n TNG. Is it frame of reference?

It is. But like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess because people want to understand like jewels because that's, you know, that's kind of the energy and stuff. But so like I said, there was few eyewitnesses, but like the ones that saw it, they saw like this blueish light go across the sky

as bright as the sun, okay? And then one person saw like fire. Like, you know, like almost like a curtain of fire, like splitting the sky. And then after that, obviously, the sound came and there was, it sounded like artillery. Like people were saying like are they thought there was like artillery being shot at them and stuff and these sparse populated sounds. And at that time, could you imagine like how many people thinking it's like an act of God? Well, this is the thing. So, like I said, it was a gigantic boom, right?

It was so powerful that it broke windows, like hundreds of miles away from it. Like, a seismographs around the world picked it up, like all across the world. There was Europe and Asia, like we're a glow at night. Like because of the later found out was like the ice crystals blew up so much, you know, water and ice into the atmosphere. And so quickly that it sort of like reflected. Yeah. Wow. Like flash froze all these particles because it like shot them up into the upper atmosphere. You know, like there's not usually all these particles up in the upper atmosphere, you know. There's not usually all these particles up the upper atmosphere. Oh, okay.

Yeah, okay. All right, yeah. Now I get it more, but still, that's crazy. Yeah, so like because of the remoteness, man, like nobody knew like about like what happened, you know, like this is how it's like Siberia, right? This is even today, it's still like super sparsely populated, you know, like it's not.

Yeah, a desolate, almost in many areas. It's almost like Canada. It's like the Canada of Asia, essentially, if you kind of think about it. Very northern Canada. Yeah. Yeah. So this was the largest media impact in recorded history,

like recorded history, you know, and not ever, but in recorded history. Right, right. The crazy thing is though, is that no crater was formed at all, which is like, it's puzzle people for decades, for, and it still does, like there's still like conspiracy theories around it,

like it was it, but it was. This is a tundra though, that it landed in, correct Siberia. In the area, it was like, you know, pine forest, you know, or like forested, you know, like cold, or not Arctic, what would you call it? Temperate forest, I guess? Yeah. Right. Yeah. What actually, what stopped it was the atmosphere. And like, it was what it disintegrated in the atmosphere. But there's still the force of it. Think of the

air, you know, it's not, it's like a liquid, right? The air is not, like, I mean, it is, you know, it's air, but like in the grand sense of things, it's kind of like a liquid, like it can move kind of like a liquid. So if you, Well, there's a density to it. Exactly, right, there's a density to it.

So if you put a lot of, can I energy into that density, it's still gonna move that air and that. It's gonna reciprocate those. Yeah. All that, there was an air blast, like an air burst, right? That just shot into the air, like so much energy. Again, 12 megatons of TNT shot into the earth of air.

Like it was just like the, Right, yeah, but it's air. Yeah, and it just completely, like a flatten. Like if you look up pictures, you can see pictures of a few of them. Right. It literally flattened things for miles, right? Like again, 830 square miles,

like it's just flattened trees. It's insane to look at. But so like, science just weren't even able to confirm this. And we'll get into it a minute, who first went out there and like researched it. But like, it wasn't until like the 50s and 60s. Like so like, you know, almost like 50 years later,

do they find out that it was actually a meteor? And they were able to do that by looking at like microscopic, silicate and magnetite spheres in the soil that were in the impact area, nowhere else, you know. Like, so. Right, okay, yeah. It makes sense that like, right, once you find these things and you're like, well, this is located

nowhere else in Siberia. You know, right? Well, I mean, like there is, I guess there is other type of like silica that spears and things like that. But they weren't in the area. They weren't in that. Yeah, the proportions of like nickel to iron weren't like common, even on earth.

Like they were like more common in meteorites that we see, you know, so and they also looked at like the differences in the isotope structures of peat bogs in the area. So like they found like different isotopes of carbon and hydrogen and nitrogen in there. Okay. We're different than what we find. And you know, normally on earth.

And also like high amounts of eridium, which is, you know know rare on earth so this time you easily found right it's still debated though whether it was a comment or asteroid but it was more likely an asteroid like they have models and stuff that pretty much show that it had to be like a stony object

right so what is the distinction there because that is one I always mess up like me at asteroids a shorthand right think of a comment asteroid and meteor, right? So, okay, an asteroid, think of it as a rock. It's a rock, like a rock, a structure. A comet, think of it as kind of a snowball, or like an ice ball, you know, like it is,

it has rocks and stuff, but it's like a dirty ice ball. You know, it has like, it's a lot of water and things like that in it. It's more like... But it is an amalgamated thing, right? Yeah, it's more like... But I froze it a rock, right? Yeah, they're typically like have really big orbits, you know, around the sun and stuff

like that. Okay. Whereas com or asteroids typically have like more like, they're like the rings, you know, like, an asteroid belt and stuff like that. And a meteorite is any projectile or... And a meteorite is something that is on the ground. Okay, anything that's touch landed right, I get you know, okay. Yeah, exactly, yep.

This likely entered the atmosphere at 60,000 miles per hour or 27 kilometers per second for the, you know, science-minded people. kilometers per second for the science-minded people. To imagine that level of speed, which in turn is then force, is... Yeah, no, it's insane speed, man. Like, then 60,000 miles per hour. So yeah, so it's still classified though as an impact, even though I really didn't, and it probably like exploded like three to six miles or five to ten kilometers above the ground so like but It's an impact things like you know flattened and everything so

It's an impact like I did yeah, you would have to you would have to just because of the the speed that it comes in and The the damage that it would do Yeah exactly did do I guess, essentially. You know what I mean? Even though it's not like a clad of a cosmic event, like the fact of the things that you could see from it, right? The reflection up in the night sky.

How long did that even last? I think like days, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so for a few days, most of like Eurasia is glowing. Yeah That's the thing like imagine if that happened above a town you know, or a city Yeah, dude that like I'll get into a little bit later like how often it happens But this is like what I'm kind of talking about is like this was an event that like if it would have happened in a populated area, it would be terrible to kind of go on to who like first researches because there was a whole set, you know, probably saw that thing and was like holy crap, you know, what happened? Look what I found!

In 1927, but Leonid Kullik, he was a Soviet mineralogist. He led a research expedition there to look for what happened. He obviously thought it was a meteor impact, right? Because he's going to look for minerals, meteors have a lot of rare earth metals and stuff. They have a bunch of different things. That's like, our asteroids do, should I say. We's, they're, we're trying to actually go out to asteroids and mine them and stuff now. Like that is the future, is us going out to like mine, rare earth, metals, off of asteroids. It's gonna be like that's kind of what companies want to do, you know, like, you know, the Elon Musk's of the world. And what? So like, with that being said, do we know if they're like specifically looking for cobalt or is there like specifics?

I mean, they're not actively doing it either at the moment, right? So yeah, like things like you know, tungsten and like serium and yeah, you're right cobalt things like that like you know different metals like these asteroids are typically like Made of different metals, right? They're not like earth, there's no soil in space. You know, there's not like, that's not something that is made in space because the soil is something that is like decomposed organic matter. You know, I guess there's carbon and stuff like that. Right.

But like a lot of it's, you know, it's probably like a lot of iron and things like that, you know, I don't know what asteroids in general. I mean, it's essentially chunks off of various, it's debris essentially of asteroids or whatever that would be out in space, right? I guess there would be like, there have, yeah, there's still rock like, you know, there is still rocks, there's courts and Like that. So there's silica. There's car right there's things like that like that's a very abundant minerals in the universe Right, so like those things are still present

But they have higher levels of other metals and things like that, you know, so like it's very valuable like I like seriously I think like maybe not an our lifetime maybeive time, maybe not a kids' lifetimer or a kids' lifetime that there will be like mining on asteroids. Again, to go back to, I think, was it episode one where I said, was it a six-man? I think it was, yeah. Well, yeah, so they do that. They're mining the asteroid belt, right? Okay. Yeah. He went to the asteroid belt, right? Okay. Yeah. He went to the region and he talked to the locals and stuff and he saw the area that with all the falling trees

and whatnot and he measured it and he was able to see that it looked like kind of like a butterfly wings, right? So it had like what you would call a wingspan of like 43 miles or 70 kilometers and then like a body length of like 43 miles or 70 kilometers and then like a body like of like 34 miles or 55 kilometers. So you know like I said like people may have crazy conspiracy theories like oh aliens or it's a mini black hole or like the particle of antimatter did that because there's no crater but like now like we've been able to confirm that it was obviously a meteor and like

this is the thing like it's confirmation bias a lot of times. People will look for old sources of like, oh this guy said in the early 1900s, this thing happened. Well yeah, sure, people didn't understand things. Like man, even 1900s, that's really giving people generous stuff. Yeah, it's quite a different findings later and it's no longer spikeiked your hair up aliens. It's simple science.

They don't wanna hear that. They wanna believe in some random stuff. But yeah, I'm sorry I'm getting into conspiracy theories. Like I mentioned them in the past couple episodes, but I guess my staffix lent themselves lately. I mean, I think society lends itself to a certain extent to like, now I have to bring up the fact that a bunch of dollars want to think there's aliens just building a bunch

and throwing rocks at the planet. When realistically, there's several different elements as to why things happened. Exactly. And like, honestly, man, like, I hope there's aliens. I want there to be aliens. So like, don't get me wrong, You know, I don't think probably visit. Maybe.

We're not getting that. Anyways, we're talking about an asteroid, which is a not living thing that visited the Earth this time. There was actually a similar event that happened just like 10 years ago in 2013, again, in Russia. Not as big, but it happened place called Chalabinsk, which is about 1500 miles west of Tunguska. Still in that area somewhat. Even in a very similar place, right?

Yeah, but like, I mean, it's still, you know, closer to like Moscow and Europe and stuff, though. So there was a lot more population. Right, no, for sure. And because it was like recently in 2013, I don't know if you know about Russia, but there's like, everybody has a dashcam there. It seems like, but it's like because of 2013. I don't know if you know about Russia, but there's like everybody has a dashcam there. It seems like, but it's like because of insurance, I think. But yeah, it's a well documented. You can see it. And it's a similar thing happened. You know, the air person, all that. And scientists then were able to do computer modeling and stuff like that. Like they were

in, they were able to like pretty much just like figure out everything about this, this astray. Yeah, they figured out I was like the size of like a five-story building or like 50 feet or 15 meters. And it broke apart 15 miles or 24 kilometers above the ground. And it like generated a shock wave only 550 kilotons of TNT this time. I mean, that's so you know only thought you know

550, you know think again like I don't know. I've never had TNT So I don't really know how much you know if you had a pound of TNT what that would cause. I'm sure it blows Probably kill you Right, I was gonna say millions for like this is like a 20th the size of the explosion that happened in Tunguska So like a thousand people nobody died I guess though And like it wasn't even strong enough to knock down trees and houses either so like I mean But people got injured from it. You know get knocked down blown over and stuff like that or the windows chandering on you But these things they they don't happen that often honestly like Yeah, that's a hundred and what?

In general, yes. Yes. Twenty year gap, 115 year gap. Yeah, and I mean, this wasn't like even that big, right? No. I mean, it does happen. But you gotta remember, like, most of the world is actually water. Like two-thirds of the world is water.

But also, not much of the earth in general is habited by humans. Like, I mean, yes, we are in a lot of area, but like, not like, we, I don't even know the exact percentage of it, but it's not much, you know, I don't even know if it's 25% of the world is like, taken up by humans. I bet you it's not. But far, if you include farmland, then definitely a lot of it is. But yeah. But anyways, things like this, like an asteroid, like the smaller one that happened 10 years ago, only happens around every 10 to 100 years. So like, I mean, yes, like that,

we don't even see it most of the time. Like that, you know, that's the first time it's been recorded recently. Right. So it probably happens landing in the ocean. And the one in Tunguska, probably happens like every 100 years or so. There's probably like an asteroid that size that lands. They were able to like confirm like the asteroid was probably the size of like a 25 story building.

The Tunguska one and 160 feet big or 50 meters you know. It's like huge man. This is a holy sh- Exactly. It's crazy, man. So, you know, like we need to like figure out a good way to like avoid these, because eventually we're going to have to deal with an a-string. And like do we want to go the way in the dinosaurs? You know, like maybe we won't, but it's a good chance.

And like we don't really have good ideas, but there's a few, and I would like to, you know, in a future episode talk about them. And it's not blowing them up. Like Armageddon. It's I was gonna say, but we just need Bruce Willis. I could have left to get up there. Yeah, no.

Handle business. Cause that would just make a bunch of tiny asteroids that would might, it'd be like a shotgun shell under, instead of like a slug. It still would just mess it all up and like Yeah, it just be bad. Oh, yeah, so that was the tukusko, man It's it's pretty interesting and kind of scary, but yeah, at least I know a cat and with that We would like to explode our things on you for joining us here each and every week

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