Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 126 - Duncan Trussell 4

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

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Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Breaking Bread with Tom Pop. Oh my God. So nice of you to join us. This is a great show today. We've got the great Duncan Truzzle coming back onto the program. I love Duncan Truzzle. He's been on the program before. I like that I'm calling it a program.

Seems kind of old-timey. I like it, though. Duncan is great, very inventive. He hosts the Duncan Trussell Family Hour podcast. So good. He's got the Midnight Gospel, which is, people loved this podcast so much that they made it into an animated series on Netflix. And he is just, he's a philosopher. He's a comedian.

He is an adventurer. And there's not one subject you could, you talk to Duncan about, where you're not going to have new thoughts introduced from his crazy brain to yours. And he's hilarious and one of the best laughs in comedy. So yes, we've got Duncan Trussle today. Very excited. Hope you're doing well. I just got back from recording my new Netflix special.

Very excited about that. Very excited about a lot of things this morning. It went really well. I can't wait for you to see it. That will be, I don't have a release date for it yet, but it seems like before the end of the year, you'll get to see it. So a big thank you to everybody that came out for those two sold-out shows in Boston, and a big thank you to everybody who came to shows all along the way over the last two years

as we were putting together the set and getting as funny as we possibly could. and we did everything that we could, and we finally put it down. So I hope you enjoy it. Today's show is brought to you by tompapa.com. Oh, that's so great. I have a bunch of shows coming up in Albany. We've got a show at the Egg.

We've got a show at the Count Basie Theater in New Jersey. We've got Dallas. Let's see. This is coming out on Tuesday. We've got Dallas on this weekend, big show over there, touring all over the place, going really crazy up until Thanksgiving pretty much. And then we're going to take, not a break, but we're going to downshift a tad as we roll into the new year. And then the new tour, which I'll be announcing that name and all that good stuff as soon as we get our act together. I know I'm going really crazy because the amount of bread I've been able to bake has been small.

It hasn't been, it hasn't been, I haven't been cranking it out. I come in, I feed the starter on Sunday. I crank out the bread late Tuesday, have it all folded and shaped and ready to go on Tuesday, on Monday, and then Tuesday, and then give away one, feed the fifth. family the other and then go someplace else. That's kind of crazy. So it hasn't been, the kitchen is, the dogs are looking at me.

Like, why haven't we been making anything? Why are you not grilling? You're not baking. What is happening, Tom? All I can say, dogs is, dad's got to go out and find the money. Dad's got to go to work once in a while. And that's what we're doing now.

So I'm going to try and hit all these spots on the road. I'm going over to Ratsa Pizza on this trip. I'm going to try and hit up with Dave Richer and my friend Anthony, who both have been on this program before. And I'm going to get to Jersey City and finally have their infamous pizza. And also, you know, I kind of dialed it in for the special and tried to be skinny, sexy Tom. And now it's time to be fat jolly Tom as we roll into the fall and holiday seasons. And I know I mentioned that last week, so hopefully, hopefully, you know, where other podcasts and other Instagram posts are like, Be a Better You and Work Harder and do more pushups, you know, let those people put that pressure on.

My pressure, my peer pressure is get out there and eat and enjoy yourself and then get the treats that the season demands. So get on it, kids. I want you one pants size bigger by my birthday on November 10. All right, let's jump into it. It's Duncan Trussell. So much fun. Such a great conversation. Always with Duncan Trussell.

So enjoy. Good to see you, Tom. How you doing? Good. How's it going? Great. Sorry, I'm late. I thought it was at four.

That's quite all right. We've had stuff to do around here. There's always something to do. Yes, there is. Nice to see you, Duncan. Let's jump right in. Let's do it. Holy cow.

It's been a beat. how long's it been it's been six months yeah i think something like that i'll tell you how long it's been i'll tell you how long it's tell me how long it's it's been long enough where you got tired of where you were living yes we're packing your bags for california that's right and stopped in texas that's it i'm in austin i really wanted you to come all the way to California. We tried. Son of a hoo-ha. What do you mean you tried? Well, we looked at a bunch of places there. Oh, you did? Yes, we did. And, you know, it was just, it's like the house you can get in Austin compared to the house in L.A.

It's a way different house. Is it really? Is it that big of a difference? You know what? I don't know the last time you bought a house in L.A. It's been a while. How long have you've been in your place? Eight. Eight years. So now you have probably, become a billionaire from the value in the eight years. Whatever you bought your house for, it's probably worth a billion dollars for. Yeah, so we tried. We looked at a bunch of places,

and we found a place, actually. We put a bid in on a place. Do you know how many other people we were competing with? 19. Oh, my God. Nineteen people put in bids for this house. Oh, my God. Yeah, it was so insane.

See, that's, this is the weird. thing that's that's i can't seem to figure out and i can't figure out a lot of things but the the whole like narrative of la's done california's done people are fleeing they're leaving in droves yeah uh there's big problems you don't see a future blah blah blah and then 19 people trying to buy a house yeah well yeah it's not done for people it's done for a certain income bracket depending on where you want to live. It's definitely not done. It's not done for like Saudi royalty.

It's not done for it. It's great. It's great for that. And I think it's, you know, great for people who were lucky enough to invest in property there before the markets went insane.

It's great for them. But it's like, you know, I don't think any, I think anytime anyone starts saying, this city is done, that city's done. And I'm certainly guilty of that when I'm trying to like,

you know, make a decision. You're like, ah, it's done. No, one of the biggest cities in the world is not done. That's not the cases. If it's done, we're done. Yeah. Definitely, you know, L.A. is kind of fucked up right now.

I mean, I think you'd be a little naive to not recognize all the big cities are going through. Oh, yeah. You'd be nuts to not admit that. No, 100%. Come on. It's amazing how much we're really, because it seemed like, you know, as everyone was just kind of like, we're getting through it, we're going to be okay, we're going to get through it,

we're going to be okay. And it was like, I know, in a very real sense, we were, but now you're starting to see the after effects of it globally, globally. This is not a U.S. thing. This is globally. And it really started to sink in with me just over the last couple of months like, oh, no, this is, this is a 10-year correction. This is going to take a good 10 years before we start to to really get back to some kind of a new operating system. That's right. I mean, you know, and it's interesting to think about that. Because now that we understand, like, the way that computers get faster,

you can, like, actually draw a map of technologically where we're going to be in 10 years. And then from that perspective, maybe you could say L.A.'s done. Everything's done. The concept of city is done. The idea of location is done. The idea of what it is to be human. is done. You know,

so maybe LA is done as is everything. Yeah, but it's shifting into something new. Like, I, you know,

I talked to these people when I was at a wedding and these two groups of people were both talking about how they haven't been back to work. And they said, it's just a really,

they're all working from home. And they don't go into the, they don't have that commute. They don't go to their big office building. Yeah. And they said,

it's really, really difficult for a company to say come in when we've done the same work as successfully as we did before. Yeah. But this new way. That's right. I was like, oh, man. So what do you do with those buildings?

Yeah. Do with those giant buildings in Manhattan in L.A.? What are we to do with these empty office buildings in L.A.? Surely there's no one we can put there. Right. I mean, everyone's got a house. Everyone in L.A. has a place to live. I mean, maybe that's one of the problems, the city.

I don't know. Who knows? Yeah. You can put like, I don't know, sand, like store extra sand from the beach in the buildings. Yeah. Yeah. Just go different themes like they do at the Madonna Inn. Yeah. Just like do different theme buildings.

You can go live in the tropical building or the outer space building. It's a chin scratcher. It really is. It shins. I mean, it's like from one perspective, you're looking at the promise of technology, which was, the idea was, it's going to make life easier. Yeah. It's going to render antiquated ways of doing work obsolete.

Yeah. Technology comes. People are still going to the office, even though I think the point of going to the office for a lot of people was because you needed the filing cabinets, right? Like, that was the idea. It was like filing, filing. But what about the human being thing? Like, I have to, I mean, I don't know how all businesses work,

but I know when I'm around other people, my brain is now more active. I'm connecting with somebody else. I'm doing more stuff. We're like feeding off of each other. There is something of that, you know, we're a little carpenter ants. Well, I mean, you know, the only way people can really interact. is when they're selling their life energy to corporations. There's no other way for us to get together.

It's been that way forever. And I agree with you. It's one of the big problems. How do we mingle or hang out if we're not doing working? We're not doing business. We're not turning our action into money. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

It's all just like trying to adapt to, you know, understanding that, you know, like learning new habits. Like I think like people need to like within the, the newness of like, oh shit, we don't have to commute anymore. That's incredible.

I think maybe then somewhere in that we've got to figure out ways to, you know, change the rhythm. Yeah. I work from home. You do a podcast. You know, you're,

we both go on the road. You know how busy you get. Yeah. Like I got kids in, in the, in my house. I go in there to get like a mug of tea. They were like, dad, they don't understand when I'm like, gotta go.

And I have to run the account. It's not good. So like, you know, putting yourself to like stop working in the middle of the day, which is hard to understand how to do if your whole life has been, you work, you wake up, you work, then you're not working anymore. Don't you get a real feeling like when you're out and about? Like I just had it last night. I was going over to Largo to do.

do a spot. And it was, you know, 7.30 at night. And I'm driving from the valley over to over the hill. And there was just a, an intensity to the rhythm of that commute that was like, oh, I remember this one. I remember this. I remember this. I remember when it was this because even though we're back and there's certain elements of busy, you still get this feeling on the spectrum of, oh, no, what I thought was busy wasn't really the pitch that we were at. before all of this. And last, last night gave me a little bit of that pitch. It's like, it really is an interesting hive existence.

Like, we really do have like, this rhythm. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't always that rhythm. No. No, that's the, that's the thing is like, just because we're born into this rhythm, if you read about the way people used to work, the whole way that we work now is like kind of alien.

And it's all based on industrialization. Apparently, like when people used to live together in villages, tribes, whatever, there'd be shit to do. Everybody would get together and work their asses off together. And then when there's nothing to do, they would just hang out and fuck and party. And nobody was like, oh, shit, man, I'm slack in here. You know, it was like, this is great, nothing to do. And then there was something to do.

And you would all get together and do it. That was the rhythm. But now it's like, you've got to do something, man. What do you do? What's going on? When did that, when did that, when did that, when did that switch? Well, 20th century. I guess so.

Yeah, I read something about it. Maybe, or maybe, I mean, probably the, the metronome started going faster around the, I guess what they call the agrarian revolution. Like, when we started having farms that changed hunter-gatherer culture to a more rhythmic Like, you know, the growing crops, you've got to wake up at a certain, I mean, I think within that, you still have, okay, we're done. We've stored everything up. I don't know. Yeah. There are still intense periods of work and then intense periods of or periods of resting. And then industrialization happens. Now it's like, you know, that's when clock tower started appearing. You know, that just did not be a thing. The clocks everywhere and all that. You didn't, having a clock was like weird. Yeah, that is bizarre to think of this dominant clock in the middle of the town square. Get to work. Yeah, get to work. Those weird, I saw this thing.

I guess there are these people who would like, like throw shit at your window to wake you up because not everybody had alarm clock. So you would pay someone to come by and like pelt your window to wake you up. Oh, man. Now, it is, it is possible. I mean, you know, this is a thing. I've got all these nephews, like, you know, up until they're like 30. And they've been dealing with this whole, I mean, their reality, like their prime, get out and go.

The starting block, the starting shot hit, and they ran into the pandemic and all this other stuff. And they kind of, they all collectively, in their different ways, different interests, different stuff, all collectively have this, no, work. working myself to the bone isn't a life. Like I should be enjoying myself. I should be. And the old, the elders in the family are like,

when I was your age, I was doing this and I was going, working really hard and I do this. And I heard my father say, just recently last week, maybe they're not wrong. Maybe they're not wrong. Like the old school thing of like,

you got to go and you got to hustle and you look at them and they're like enjoying themselves and they're working. And then they ditch that. and take time off and then go back and do something else. And it's like for the first time, it was like, man, they're starting to kind of make sense. Well, yeah.

I mean, it's the only time that can become a little suspect is when the reason they're able to do that is because other people are working their asses off. You know what I mean? Like if they're parents or whoever they're with or whatever, it's the provider for them. And then they're not really doing. anything and but somebody is you know so it's like then it gets weird but somehow they've devised

a way of living where they are you know they don't they've gotten past the stupid like things that many people think they need you know what I mean and they're in there and they're like yeah why do I need to yeah work 40 hours a week to get some bullshit when I'm absolutely happy right now with what I have I don't need expensive fucking clothes or some dumb nice car some big stupid house why do you have been like uh yeah this the classic what is it emerson is it emerson that who writes all about the yeah trans and dentalist movement where he's like when you see when you get jealous i mean this definitely paraphrasing but when you're jealous to someone who's got a nice house picture that person with the house chained to their neck dragging it down the road

The amount of energy to pay for the house. Keep the house going and all that. It's like, is it worth it? Yeah. My part of it is that there's the two things that I get distracted by by living that way is one is the what happens when you're old and you need your teeth fixed. You know, like creating, giving yourself some security when you're when you can't really work anymore. And the other side of it is, and this is a little tricky, but it's. What are you doing?

Is there value to what you're doing in creating like a career and a thing? And it's, I hesitate because it's, we're in this unique position. As artists, you kind of know where you're, what you're doing, you're making stuff. Like there's, there's a meaning to it. But if you're in a job that, you know, doesn't turn you on and you're just doing it just to survive, I could see that being a problem. But I do also feel like you, there is something to building a, a sense of worth for what you're doing through these years.

I, I, and they may be personal, but my like hanging out on a beach and just chasing vacations, I know for a fact that that doesn't fulfill me. Right. You know what I mean? Yes. I mean, like, we both love what we do. Right. And I'm waking up in the morning and I know I've got to do a podcast intro.

I've got to try to write a chapter for the book or whatever the shit I'm doing. I'm happy about that. I might be a little stressful because maybe I don't feel funny or creative. or creative or whatever, but I'm excited to at least try. And there's not some asshole. There's not some dude. You know what I mean? There's a dude.

Think like our lives. We get to be comedians. We get to be creators. Some people, remember the dude when you had regular jobs? There's a dude. You go in. There's this dude. An abrasive personality.

Definitely getting off on his power. Yep. Maybe like in the worst way possible, trying to mentor you, like in the most condescending way and you're thinking to yourself what are you mentoring me in i don't want to fucking get good at blockbuster i don't want to be you yeah yeah you think i want to get good at like cleaning fucking video cases man i don't want to be good at this i'm just trying to make money here so i can pay for the ecstasy when i go to the rames i don't this is hell yeah so that's that that and when you get caught in that system yeah and you it's scary because you're so in it

that you need that check and you know exactly what you're what like how much money you need a month if you're not making that oh it's terrifying then you're praying to get fired yeah you get fired you can collect an employment and it's it it it is a it is a thing like you know we're in this unique thing where our work is our joy but work doesn't have to be the place that you that gives you that joy. Like when I say like having like a career or some kind of worth, it could be the job is the thing that pays you the money. And then all your friends and family and the work that you do or like you. Yeah. You know, you've got a, you've got killer hobbies or you're helping people out. You're working in charities, whatever that thing is. Like that that that's the thing that that that's the like the

lifelong story that you can tell. It doesn't have to be tied to the thing that's paying you. Well, but if that's the problem. I mean, I think that's what these kids are figuring out is it's like, But if it's not tied to the thing that's paying me, I mean, it's like, you know, there's a story I read. There's a great book called the Harvard Psychedelic Club. And it's all about Tim Leary, Alpert, Post, you know, getting canned. Then, like, you know, elite professors who are all like the acid lords of the 60s, they move into this house together where they're all getting high on it, just high as a kite all day long. And I guess someone comes over. and there's just fucking piles of dishes in the sink and there's flies and maybe roaches and it smells

like shit in there and that's when the saying came up which is like reverberates to this day through all utopian like ideologies or all utopian visions of how things could be which is who does the dishes and you know what I mean who does the dishes who's cleaning here who is I don't want to I want to get fucking high I want to like dissolve into nothingness in between, make stupid songs for my podcast. Who's doing the dishes? You know, someone has to do the fucking dishes. Someone has to cook the fast food.

Somebody has to do all the things that when they stopped working. Yeah. Ooh, that's when you started hearing some pundits doing rants. Like, look what has happened. What set them off was not homelessness. What set them off was not the social disruption. It was that they couldn't get fucking hamburgers fast enough. And they were like, what's going on here, man?

What? Where was my hamburger? Yeah. We're getting like money, pandemic money. And they're like, sorry, but the pandemic money, it's more than minimum wage. And I'm not cooking hamburgers if I'm getting pandemic money. And that's where you run into the real reality of the system we're in, isn't it? Because that's where you run to it's like, well, then let's starve them.

I guess we're going to have to start starving them out because if we don't starve them, then they're not going to go make the hamburgers. You can't put it to their head, but you can maybe shift things around in the economy enough so that it's like, yeah, but somebody's got to make the fucking hamburgers. It's like when, what's his name was running, Yang?

And he was saying that there should be that, that there should, we could pay people not to work. You could take a segment of the population. and pay them. But that part wasn't clear when he was, when he had that idea, because it did really change things. I remember talking to someone in Philadelphia, and they're like, this isn't good that these people just have money and nothing to do.

It's changed my neighborhood. This is not for the better. Right. Yeah. I mean, this is like that it's, and again, it's like, if we have begun to identify our identities with our work, and if that's what. is taking up our time and we never had a chance to learn other things to do. Yeah.

Because really, like, if you look at like where automation is going, did you see Musk's new robot? Yes. Not a, not great right now. Not a great robot. Walks like Joe Biden. It's like, he looks like he's on a wet tile floor. Yeah, yeah, he's like definitely nothing to fear. Like, you're not going to make a Terminator movie with a.

that thing. It looked like it when it first started, when they unveiled it and it didn't move, I was like, uh-oh, oh, oh, no. Yeah. He just looked kind of like dark and scary and all industrial. And then it started moving. I was like, oh, it's going to take that thing three months to make a sandwich. It's like, it's like, it's definitely not, not much, but, you know, it will be something because the market pressure is there. And, and eventually, it gets to the point where we run into this fascinating horrible problem, which is, look, you've got to pay people a living wage. It's the ethical thing to do.

And if you don't pay people a living wage and they figured out other ways to exist or just have the epiphany that, look, I'll just eat canned fucking tuna. Like if I just don't eat out and like I can Uber, I can do like, I can figure it out. I don't need to spend my whole life in a Burger King or whatever. Yeah. So you say, all right, well, look, we're going to start paying a living wage, but then there's inflation. So then the profit margins are getting smaller and smaller and smaller to the point where it's like, all right, at this point, it's going to be cheaper to maintain a fleet of robots to make the hamburgers than it is to pay people. Then all the jobs go away.

It's not even an option. I know. And so now we're entering full automation, massive unemployment, skyrocket. skyrocketing prices for houses and that's where you like that's where capitalism starts falling apart. Yeah, it doesn't really, yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's got to be people smarter than me

who are looking at that future and thinking, what are we going to do with the humans? I mean, I was getting on to, I was getting on a flight in United last week. And they have new turnstiles when you're boarding the flight, like at the gate, where you take your phone and you put the boarding pass on it and a plexiglass thing opens and you get on the plane.

And there are these flight attendants like trying to get them to work and doing the whole thing. And it's like, wow, they don't. I mean, they must, maybe they realize maybe they don't. But these, this little rack of subway turnstiles, you're gone. Yeah. Once they are working flawlessly,

you guys over there trying to get these to work, you don't have a job at the gate anymore you don't have a job at the gate no you don't you don't have a job at the gate no one's going to fucking complain right yeah no one's going to yell at it's going to be like where's the there it's just going to be like a some android like i had there was a uh i went to some store in portland they had a uh robot a barista who made the best cup of coffee from it was so good a latte right It doesn't have a realistic face. It's just like an emoji.

But it can smile and it talks. It says your name. If you give it your name, it's like, you know, your latte is ready, Duncan. So much energy. Definitely not the voice is somebody who's making minimum wage. You're working two shifts because they have to to pay for their kids. Oh, this thing doesn't get tired. And you're like, wow, this is really nice.

You forget what it means. Like, oh, God, what a friendly, happy, roe. if only humans can be so happy when I order my expensive latte. So, yeah, so like initially people are going to be like, this is kind of nice. Like, all these, all these, these personalities and these grumpy employees are going to be replaced by perfect AI driven. It's going to scan your fucking, your eyes and see if they're dilating in a way that means stress. It's going to like, you know, release some nice, relaxing scent music around it. it will like slightly in a subtle way change to something peaceful.

You won't even know you're getting hypnotized. And then you're going to just happily walk onto the plane in a better mood. Meanwhile, you're going to be like one of like 15 people getting on the plane because nobody can afford to fly. There's no one. It's all the jobs are gone. Oh my God. That's where we're headed.

Yeah. The real key for us is whether and technology gets to a point where it will extend our life to see all of this because we really you really got like a 40 year 40 years like what can happen in 40 years if they can extend it we'll be able to see where it all goes but within 40 years it probably won't come tumbling down completely in you think you're going to live 40 more years yeah that is incredibly optimistic man that's like wow don't you hell no idea the way shit's going right now I don't know man I mean like you look great thank you I quit drinking. Holy shit is the best thing I ever did. It's like, you really look good. I was hoping to see

you and be like, oh, God, he's in Austin. He's gotten fat. He's just eating barbecue sauce in your beard. No. No, man. I cut out the booze, lost like 15 pounds. Whoa. Been exorcists, just feel good. But yet you, I don't mean that like you and specifically, you look great too, man. I mean, if you're, if you're taking vitamins and eating right and you know, you'll probably live your life. But I just mean, like, you know, this fucking pandemic. It's like, look what happened. Just this, like, how many people died, how quickly disease spreads around the planet. Yeah.

You know, and the human lifespan has shortened. But the 40-year idea that you're not going to see these things within the next 40 years. Or, you know, if you read Ray Kurzweil's predictions, it's 2045 is the singularity. That's by something like 2030 or something. Uh-huh. By the end of this decade, we've got to compute, but close to the end of this decade, computers are going to have the processing power of a human brain. The next year, they'll have the processing power of every human brain on the planet.

And then sometime after that is when everything that we define as human, humanness is not going to be, we're going to have the symbiosis with the machines. Neural implants. the ability to dial in emotional states via some kind of like neural like interface and obviously like expedited or instantaneous learning of anything you want. Everyone will know every language. Everyone will have access to the internet with their thoughts. No more Googling.

Just know how to do everything. You'll dial in movements that famous chefs use when they cook. So everyone will be a famous chef. everyone that's what i'm that sounds pretty cool yeah it's it sounds fucking great i mean that it's within that life extension within that you know uh cure for cancer within that potentially the ability to like transplant your brain into a synthetic body all kinds of weird shit that was inside by movies coming so quickly so quickly well um this all sounds like it supports my idea of living beyond 40 years oh well yeah i mean that was that's you know again

we're going off of like Kurzweil's predictions but yeah his predictions are very accurate and because of his ability to prognosticate incoming technological capacities he is like renowned and you know that we like he he's the trend analysis is what he does it's like he tells people okay start planning you know software for this kind of computer that doesn't even exist yet it's going to exist in three years in four years so right when the computer comes out you know that's you know when a new the new iPhone comes out or a new a new uh mac comes out yeah and instantly there's software that just works for that mac why it's because people knew that was coming right and it's were already building shit for it long before it came. They're ready to go. So yeah, he says

that it's something like at some point the human lifespan will increase by, I don't know, I don't know the exact percentage, but let's say 10%. Is he going to make it? Because he's getting pretty old. Well, that's his whole, that's why he's like super divided. That's like he eats like a million vitamins a day. He's got huge just, he just sucks back vitamins and got it just because he knows it's going to get to this point. Yeah. And if you can cross that threshold, then functional immortality is possible.

Right. Why haven't the airplanes adapted for the new Apple chargers? Like it has that, it's no longer USB. It's like that little one. And you can't charge your phone on a plane with that. What does that have to do with the singularity? That's a great question.

You know what? You're the, in the, in the, meeting at United when you're the guy who says that it just gets really quiet in the room and then whoever's running United you just see him go in the back and hear a gunshot probably to replace those on every plane God only fucking knows you got to get the union guys in there to replace the fucking thing and then of course not everyone's going to have the new one they're going to have the old one too you know what I mean some people are still Samsung God bless our flight attendants.

God bless them. They have to like every day. So I guess I can't charge my phone. So you are not only are you a close friend. And I do miss, I really, all kidding aside, I was not upset, but a little upset. I was upset. You weren't in California because I was like, I felt like we were on the precipice of hanging all the time. We were.

I know. And we'll talk offline, but I feel like maybe I should just make more trips to Austin to hang and see you. But you're also a great spiritual sounding board. And I just want to share with our listeners what I contacted you immediately when I was in Arizona. a fan had come up, come up and given me what looked like a baggie with like little flakes of snot and it, like dried dried snot and said that this is, have you heard of our famous

our famous toads here in Arizona? And I was like, what do you mean, the ones that you lick? She was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She goes, I do it myself. And she gave me the bag and a hug and took off. And I'm sitting there with this little bag of frog venom that is supposed to make you a trip and see God. And I was like, all right, now I've got to figure out what to do.

So I called you immediately. I called you and then I called my wife and then I called you again and said, my wife won't let me. But you were also very much like, you explained to me what it was. I really wasn't clear on it. Yeah. And it sounded amazing, but also something you shouldn't do when you're in Tempe alone in a hotel. That's it. Right. Yeah. I mentioned it to my wife and she immediately just goes, no, no, you tell him no.

That's why you get married. That's why you get married. You need that because that might not be in your brain. That thing is like, no, no, you're not going to take some weird fucking, like, crystals from a frog that were putting a baggie by one of your fans and smoke it in the hotel. But we're like, oh, maybe. I've already seen this forensic files. I don't really have anything to do. Because then I watched a YouTube video of this guy who was very thoughtful. And he went down to Costa Rica in an environment where you do smoke it, where a guy is sitting right next.

to you, a shaman is with you. Very clean. It wasn't like, you know, in the in the Amazon like mud huts. It was just like it was kind of nice. And he took it and it really, he was pretty eloquent in the way he was kind of describing it after. But you could just see the euphoria in his face. It's just like what he, he really just saw that. It seems like the universal thing that people get out of that is that they've seen, uh, it's, eternity and that we're a part of it. Yes. And man, that, I did not experience that in Tempe, Arizona. It was the opposite of that.

It was, oh, this life is going to go on forever and it's kind of bleak and I don't even have a good showerhead. You smoked? That's what it did. No, the reality of being in Tempe. The reality. The toe was depressed. That was the venom of a very depressed.

I mean, the reality of being in that hotel room was like, I could use a, I could use Hove Venom right now. The glimpse, the view. You could have used the view. That's the view. There's so many names for it. But yeah, it's a nice thing to get that. You know, it's an easy thing for your whole life to never have that experience.

Yeah. And part of me was like, well, now I saw the video and I see that it kind of exists out there. And I trust this guy. He's got a friendly face. So maybe I don't have to take it. It was hard putting it into the trash on my way out. Yeah. that I could I understand the pull of that I mean it looked like so weirdly like I could see how I

would like put that baggie in view yeah I'll keep looking at it totally like I'll just go down the street get a lighter get one of those crack roses he's hell of the seven oh oh it was like wow this is it's right here it's in my hand. Yeah. But, you know, it is available. I could go and try and chase it down and go to Costa Rico one day, I suppose. You know, in the kind of Buddhism that I study, there is basically like very, and in Buddhism, there's like all these, there's different like methods, I guess you could say. Some of them are slow and some of them are like as slow as like this process could take you many lifetimes. Some of them are fast. Like they're designed to like, bam, just show you right

away what reality is. And if, you know, traditionally, maybe you're working with a teacher who recognizes where you're at and then like is really good at helping you sort of progress towards that thing that a psychedelic can give you instantaneously. And the reason, there's the reason for that is that maybe some people aren't quite ready for that view for the recognizing their unit of consciousness or whatever like it in fact even though temporarily that might produce this euphoric rush a huge relief oh my god i'm not just my body ever i've been here forever i'm going to be here forever but uh potentially that could cause them to then like detach from their lives and in a way that is not good for them.

Like it may, you know, they get to heaven and not enough earth from that. Right. At a balance. Right. So that, that is the, I think why it's good if you're going to, you know, try something like that to have like a shaman, someone who is trained in a tradition where they can help you understand what happened to you. What did you see versus like coming to in your hotel room?

drooling on your pillow like, I guess I'm God. Is room service still available? Walking naked down the hallway. Yeah, yeah. Hey, I'm God. It's cool. There was definitely a part of it. It was like, come on, man.

I tripped a bunch. I can do this. That's not a, there's no, there's no worry. Every time anyone says that you can hear Lucifer cackling somewhere in the depths of hell. Welcome back, baby.

Here's a thing, this is a bit on my mind because you see a lot of people talk about, you know, that psychedelics have become a, you know, it's pretty fashionable now to treat depression and it's become a little bit more mainstream and things like that. And that's all cool. I like, I like, I like all of that. The kind of equating tripping with, this is proof of a different reality. I have my doubts about that because it could, sure, it could be, it could show you immortality and it could show you the infinite or it could be throwing a compound on your brain and no different from alcohol or caffeine or whatever triggers a certain response. and that could be just, you know, just something released in our brain because it was stimulated by that substance. Right. You know what I mean?

Sure. Like just to say that, oh, no, I took this and I saw this. So that is now the reality. Right. I don't know. I mean, I know the feelings and I know it really makes you feel like you're one with the trees and we're one with each other. And it is very unifying. but is that is is that seeing a reality or is that altering our reality for the moment because of this

uh toxin well well i mean this is the this is the sort of what is it what is reality i mean you run into this the problem the problem is that yeah outside of the human body there's all kind of phenomena that are being processed instantaneously by our sense organs. And so whatever you are experiencing right now is, you could almost say a reflection of some kind of phenomena that is happening outside of your sense organs. When you're looking at a tree, you really are the tree in the sense that that tree is being, it might as well be like a DVD. that is your brain is playing a Blu-ray, whatever you want to call it.

And your brain is playing some rendition of the tree based on what your neurological capacities are. Some people, you know, five people can look at a tree. You have maybe a person who's colorblind, a person who's got shitty vision, a person with great vision, a person who a tree fell on top of them. And they're all going to have a different experience of that tree. So, and this is not to say there isn't some external reality necessarily, but if you're experiencing reality, you are experiencing your mind. You're not, you're a relationship between your mind and external phenomenon. So when you take a psychedelic, you're shifting the way that that, whatever that information is, is getting processed.

And maybe from scrambling it up a little bit, you're opening yourself up to the, to, to, to, to, to, to, some data that wasn't making it through. Or, you know, by, you know, shifting the way your brain is processing this stuff, maybe you at the very least it helps you understand that the world as you understand, it really is just a reflection of your own mind. And so in that way, it's epiphanous, you know, but. Right. You're high as a kite and you see a demon, skeletons in the wall, a ghost, or, you, you're,

you remember something that you from a past life. Yeah. Did you see a ghost, a skeleton, a demon? Did you really remember something from a past life? Who knows? Yeah. But when you're stone gold sober and you think you see a demon, a ghost or remember something from a back, did you really any of those things? Who knows?

There's no telling. We're dealing with an organic. biocomputer that is prone to error. So, you know, just these things don't really process reality perfectly.

So there really is no, I don't think there's any way to tell. And also, I don't know, like, it's, we're talking about consensus reality versus some subjective, heightened reality state, but just because lots of people are sharing an experience doesn't

necessarily imply that that's real. Yeah. Or more real than some subjective experience. I mean, so I don't know. But I, you know, what does the Lord hate? You tell me this all the time. The Lord hates false people who worship false idols.

You don't want to bow down to the golden cast. You know what I mean? Yeah. That false idol can be an experience you had on a psychedelic. Yeah. You become attached to and can't let go of because it was so incredible. You think, oh my God, that was totally. real.

When it's like, well, maybe it was for a second. Yeah. But it's not real now. Right. Oh, I miss that little baggie. You know, just I'm pretty, in L.A., I'm pretty sure that you could just like go open your window and like, anyone got you towed in them? Just drive through Topanga with your windows open.

It'll blow in. You know, there's people who, everyone in Topanga is on towed. I'm towed venom. I feel sorry for frogs in Tepanga Canyon. So I drive past your old spot pretty often when I'm going to the studio. And I give you a little wave. I always like fumble with my phone to take a picture and send it to you, but I'm driving. But there's a house, a couple down from you that always did Halloween, does Halloween up in a pretty big way.

You got the little ones now. you're in a new spot. What's your, what's your Halloween agenda? Do you go full out at the house? Are you, Oh yeah.

We got the, oh yeah, we got inflatables. We got pumpkins. We got, I mean, it is Halloween time, like the youngest.

He goes, Halloween. He's like, you know, we found kid stuff that's like Halloween themed and they're completely absorbed in it. The oldest is like more interest

and really getting scared. So like, you know, finding, like, ways to, like, be a little scarier with him. The younger one is, like, you know, I think he likes our inflatable skeleton, but he's keeping his distance. You know, he respects it. He like, but he's, like, not going too close. Wondering why you're cool with it. Yeah.

Dad's not running. Dad's not running from this, so I don't have to run, but I am not getting closer to this. Yeah, yeah. He's, like, definitely keeps, like, six feet away from the inflatable skeleton. And, you know, one of the great things about Austin is it's so family friendly and like, yeah. You know, our neighborhood has like, like, just all kinds of cool, cool little like, like, community things that happen. Nice. Throughout the year.

So, yeah. Yeah. So the kids are definitely getting like a real, like Halloween experience. Oh, that's good. We're working them up to the big day. Nice. Does it feel like fall there? Yeah.

It got it cooled down. I mean, it's a little. hot today, but in the mornings, it's cool. And yeah, it's so nice now that the Texas heat is diminishing a little bit. It's really nice. I've never experienced this part of, I'm always here in the dead of summer. So get that thing you take for granted in L.A. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, the cool nights. How the kids do with it move? How did, how did, uh, good, they were cool. They're, they're so pliable at that age. Yeah. I think, well, I think, well, I think, we just, we just made it in. Like, if we'd waited a little bit longer, it would have been, I think,

a little more traumatic for the older one, because he really was making friends. He liked his school. Yeah. You know, but he likes his new school now. He's got friends. He's already made in school that talks about. And it's, it's great. And he says things like, can we stay in Texas forever? Oh, man. Yeah. That's good. That's a good feeling. Yeah, he's got his roots now. Yeah, yeah. It's nice. Yeah, it's nice. And the comedy scene here is so good. Like, oh my God, it's like, it's amazing. Like the comics here are really funny. And, you know, there's a constant influx of like comics from L.A. come through. And like, it's really got this like, I don't know, you know, you know, the thing. You know, like, you know that thing. You were in New York. You were in L.A. You know that thing where you get this nice group. Yeah. Like hardworking comedian. So you're always kind of like having to deal with the fact that you have to keep advancing yourself to keep up with them.

Yeah. It's really important. Yeah. And that's here. So I really like that. Oh, that's good. Where are you playing mostly when you're going up? Vulcan.

There's a place called Vulcan Gas Works or Gas Company, Vulcan Gas Company. And yeah, the owner, Nick is super cool. And they just have like almost every night there's some kind of really. good comedy show sold out almost every time I've been there just packed Is that where Tony does this thing? Yeah, Kill Tony is like Always sold out.

Yeah, that was a good spot. I like that place. I had done that during a moon tower. Is that the Austin one? Moon Tower? Yeah. Yeah. And the creek in the cave is here.

Right. That's another good spot. And then there is the what's it called? They moved. It was like a renowned Austin Comedy Club. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I went there once.

I opened for Jeff Ross there. Shit, I can't believe I can't remember the name. Right, a little outside the city. Yeah. Yeah, so there's a lot of, and then there's, you know, all kinds of other spots, I'm sure. And then Rogan's Club's about to open, so that'll be cool. Oh, nice. Is it getting close?

I think so. I don't know the exact date, but I know sometime next year, I'm sure it'll be open. Yeah. Oh, that's very cool. That's good. Well, I'll come more often just because you're there. Please, you know, I know that you won't take me up on this, but we do have a nice house in a guest room. You could just stay if you want to be around like the young kids like undulating between like periods of joy and like he's screaming.

You're a big friend in the kitchen. Yes, that would be great. Listen, I have gotten into like grilling. I don't know what happened. Maybe it's in the air, but I got like one of these Trager smokers. Oh, you did? Have one of those things?

No, I haven't pulled the trigger on that. Pull the trigger. Yeah. Oh, shit. What are you doing? What are you up to? Brisket, steaks. But it's like, you know, I'm not a great chef and certainly not good at, you know,

I'm intimidated by grills. So, and it's certainly a smoker. Like, I'm not like a regular smoker where you have to like modulate the, smoke and the heat and I would never be able to do that but this thing dump the pellets in you know go on their app do the whatever the recipe is identically and it makes just the best best food you've ever tasted oh how long how long is a brisket on there well it depends on the weight of the brisket that's why I fucked up on my second brisket first brisket I got lucky I got like the weight was like exactly the weight in the recipe.

And I just did what the recipe set. And you let us, you know, brine overnight in the morning, you put it in the smoker. You, I don't remember how many hours exactly. It's eight, maybe six. It's temperature, really. Yeah. So you're slow smoking it to this, to certain temperature. And you're pulling it out.

You're doing more shit to the brisket. And you put it back in for the last part of it. And then somehow, somehow I made like this amazing brisket. You're not, it's not supposed to happen. It's like, you know, like you're not supposed to go on stage and do good your first time. Right. It's not supposed to happen. And, you know, it happens.

Comics do that. Yeah. And they get all like puffed up. And they're like, shit, I guess I'm Dave Chappelle. And then they just fucking eat shit the next time because they got like this. That's what happened with my brisket. Like the first one was incredible. the next one, you know, the next one of our friends was like, well, this will be good taco meat.

You're mean out here in Texas. They're not going to lie if your barbecue sucks. Oh, man. It is funny when your place has like their thing, like barbecue is there. And it's like, I'm always curious, when you do live there, do you, is it so is it really that much a part of your diet or is it just for when tourists kind of roll? through and you'd eat like more than when you were in L.A., but is barbecue and that kind of a thing, does it become part of your like every day? Everyone in the house for a long time was eating brisket, just because I made so much.

And we had to eat it. Like at first, we're excited about it. And then they're like, I don't know. No, I'm more brisket. The dogs were eating brisket. Everyone is. Isn't the best? Do your dogs know when it's grill time when they see?

Right? Like my dog, if I just take out the metal spatula and the and the, the tongs, yeah. Just the sound of that coming out of the drawer. I haven't even pulled meat out of the fridge yet. They hear teaching both dogs.

Yeah. What's up? Are we doing it? Are we doing it? It's that thing. It's that thing. The hunt. I guess he hunted.

I don't know. It's coming. It's coming. Just follow him. Don't let him out of your sight. Don't let him out of your sight. Oh my God. The brisket weeks for my dogs were just like the, I think that probably the best thing never happened to them. Like for weeks, it was brisket in their bowl is brisket. No one's going to like, my wife is it going to be like, don't feed the dog's brisket. We have too much. It's giant bags. And then you, you know, yeah, it's good for them too. Like their, their fur got like softer. And they were like. and they pass out. Like after they eat that,

they would just like, instead of being annoying, they just like collapse on the couch, fall asleep. It's great. I'm going to have to make another brisket. Yeah, you got me like,

but is it like, are we like ordering barbecue all the time? Yeah, yeah, of course. Definitely more than when I was in L.A., though. Yeah, yeah. No, that's good.

I know. I've been thinking about that, the pellet thing. It's just one more thing in the yard, one more thing next to a grill. but I like that. They work together. Yeah.

Sorry to cut you off. What do you mean? Smoker and a grill? Uh-huh. Very nice. Very nice. Because the smoker, it's, you're probably going to like be, like, it's long-term projects with the smoker, you know?

Like, the more you have it, the, the, even though it's stakes on it are incredible, the, you know, the more interested you become and like, all right, I'm going to, what happens if I, like, if I, if I make a, a stake, but it takes three days. whatever you know you want to like you want it to take a long time and so that means you the grill takes care of like whatever other stuff corn on the cob right edgy so you can like sort of like completely cook outside with both so that's why that's really great i've had guys on this on this podcast uh the guys from uh bloodso barbecue and pig beach out of brooklyn wow and uh man when they start talking about the sauces and the rubs for their meats. That's when they really, that's when like for me,

the bread thing, like they start going into the into the wormhole. That's that part of it is, it seems like it's endless of what you could come up with or explore. Yeah. It's a religion. I mean, I don't know the way to put it. Or alchemy, maybe religion is the wrong word. It's like, you know, the alchemist led into gold, weird, like long recipes with like strange machines. sifters, you know, I don't know, like bizarre chemistry equipment. Yeah. That's how deep it gets because you just, I don't know, it's like, I was talking to, there's this incredible chef here named Yoni.

And he, you know, has like been sort of like teaching me a little bit. Like I always, you know, when I showed him pictures of my brisket, he looked at them the same way that like our doctor looks at pictures of our kids. You know what I mean? serious, solemn, like a deep analysis of what it look like. Like, you know, I don't want to say it was like disappointed. Like compassion in his eyes, you know. Where you can improve.

Where you can improve, you know. But yeah, man, like, yeah, the, when they talk about it, it's, I don't want to say serious. It makes it seem too heavy. It is like, it's more than just like, it's like you with bread. It really is. It's like, it's spiritual. There's a spiritual component to it. Yeah.

And it's never, and it's never mastered. That's the thing. It's like, you can always, you can always, I mean, some of those guys get very consistent, of course, especially if they're running spots. But just as the home version of that, it's like, you're going to screw up and have happy surprises and try and replicate it. And it's like, it's a journey. It definitely is a journey.

It's a journey. And what Yoni was telling me is, here's a thing. one and this is where I fucked up with a second brisket is basically once you make something you you might not know why it was like that yeah but so so really you can't you can't change a lot of variables you really can only change one thing per brisket take something out something and that's how over time you get to your friends who have like perfected these recipes that are a result of countless, countless failures, countless, like, mistakes.

Yeah. So the recipes are precious in that regard. But it's equipment based, too. It's like one recipe on one smoker, maybe is not going to work the same on another smoker. Right, right. That's why I love it. I think it's comedians, these kind of crafts.

it's very it's very analogous to stand up because you can get really good and be a really good craft person but you're still moments away from screwing everything up all the time which is great which is so great yeah it's like you have that joke and you're getting to the point where you're like all right i was delusional why did i think this is funny it worked once in front of some audience i started thinking this is an incredible joke. It hasn't worked for the last five sets. It's time to euthanize the dog. Like, you just, you don't want, you don't want it. It's time. And then, and then something happens where you change just one word. You change one word and it works again. And now it's working.

It was just one word. That's, that's the, that's what sucks when you know that whatever the comedian part of you is telling you, no, this is, this is a good job. But it's not working. no, it stopped. And then one tweet and it's back. My new thing now stand-up-wise is I realize in those moments when things aren't working is really, really pay attention to, am I truly communicating with them what I'm seeing in my head? Like, am I really truly?

Because you think they know it and you're like, oh, no, wait, they don't know I'm talking about. They don't know I'm talking about a month. monkey on a bicycle. They, I haven't spelled that part out. Right. I haven't told them that part.

And it's like if I can just try and do that, not all the time, but some of the times it'll save those ones where I'm walking around thinking, it's so funny, why isn't anyone? Yeah. Getting this, it's like,

well, wait a minute. Are you, they're not in your head. You've got to, you've got to paint it. You've got to spell it out. And it does save some of those.

Oh my God. And also, yeah, within that thinking you have to remember, I'm someone who considers smoking toad venom in hotel rooms. I might not, you know what I mean? Like my way of thinking about reality might not match everyone's way of thinking about reality. I casually contemplated smoking toad venom.

I was so close. I don't know what I would have done if I didn't have, if you didn't respond. bond that night. I don't know. I might still be there. Who know? I mean, there's no telling. I mean, like, who knows? That stuff is really powerful, but it's got a lot of devout, I don't know, there's many people who swear by it. Yeah. Who claim that it's really like, change their lives for the better. And then there's people who are like, fuck, that is not fun. That is just not fun.

It's not that long. What is time, man. It's not that long. We're just going to dip your foot in boiling oil for 10 minutes. I mean, it's just 10 minutes. You'll be okay. Duncan, this is so good. I look forward to this all week.

Thank you so much. It's so great to see you. I really hope you come out here. Like the next time you've got to let me know, just come out. Like, it's so, especially this time. time of year. Oh my God. It's so beautiful. It's a perfect time to do it. I will. I will. I'll be there soon. Great. The hard part is because a lot of people that I really like have gone and never come out. It's kind of like the toad venom of cities. It's like I might go there and get

stuck. Then we win. Then we win. It's really Austin has become Jonestown in a weird way. It's like we're all like weirdly like missionaries trying to recruit every comment we love to come here. And I try not to do it, but it is true. We want you. I see what you're going to get you. I see what you're going to get you, Tom. You're the best, Duncan. I'll see you soon, buddy.

See you soon. Bye. There you have it, kids. Duncan Truzzle once again does never, it's never disappoints. I love him so much. Make sure you listen to his podcast. the Duncan Trussle Hour and Family Hour. And also check out his Netflix show, The Midnight Gospel.

It's really creative, really funny. And he goes, you know, he talks surface stuff with us, but on those, he gets really pretty deep and goes off into the weeds. Just a creative forest. Thank you so much for listening. Go to tompapa.com. Look up all the fun stuff. And I'll see you out there.