Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 138 - Andrew Santino

Episode Date: January 17, 2023

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Hey, it's our goal. Hey, it's time for Breaking Bread with Papa. Hey, don't you know? Hey, it's also a show. Hey. Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Breaking Bread with Tom Papa. I am Tom Papa. Here we are in a rainy, rainy Los Angeles.

I know the rest of the country is like, why do you guys keep talking about the rain? Well, it's a big deal. It was on the cover of the New York. times. People are talking about how it's historic and also we're babies. We're not supposed to be in rain. So we talk about it all the time. I hope you're doing well. Thank you for being here. We've got a great interview today. We're going to spend some time here at the table with Andrew Santino, very funny comedian who's got a very funny Netflix special called Cheeseburger. How do you not have someone that names their special

cheeseburger. How do you not have them on this podcast? A great guy, you're going to love this conversation and he's going to be very happy because he's getting breads, which I have to say have been coming out exceptionally well. So good. I don't know if you saw me on Colbert, but he asked me about bread because he loves bread and he started doing it.

And so we actually spent this time in the middle of doing this appearance talking about my Netflix special, talking about bread. And I mentioned, he said, like, what are you making now? And I mentioned jalapeno and cheddar bread that I was just, and the whole audience just went, oh. So perfect. It's so great.

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I have been, like I said, baking a... my wife got COVID during the holidays, so there were a lot of people that we couldn't go see. And I was ready to go deliver all these breads to people, and we didn't get to go do it. So I'm kind of making up for it now and have just been cranking out breads. And also, I've been home. That's the biggest key. I'm going to start my tour up next week. I'm going to South Carolina.

And then we have a bunch of shows coming up all around the. the country and I'm going back to it. So I've been home for a good, you know, from the holidays through now, which has been a delightful thing. And now we've got playoff football. We've got a lot of stuff. So it's been nice just to be home, slowing it down and baking like crazy. And now when I'm going back out on tour, it's not going to happen with as much frequency. So everybody in my life has been benefiting from this month of going crazy with the baking, what I'm going to try and do. And I only can say this to you, dear listeners, because you care. I've never made pumper-nickel bread before.

And I pulled out a couple recipes to make pumper-nickel bread. Something maybe because it's cold and it has been rainy and it is winter. I've just been thinking of those darker, you know, German breads, something about it. And I know I'll probably not pull it off right away, and that's okay. We, uh, it'll be fine. One thing I did pull off are these biscuits. I've been going a little biscuit crazy. And, oh, man, if you're out there and you're, you know, you noodle around and you think, you know, we talk about all the stuff on this podcast in addition to comedy, and you're thinking, I mean, the bread thing,

sounds good, but it also sounds like a pain in the ass. Yeah, you're right. It takes a lot. What I would recommend, I wanted to do this for like the piano. I did it for the guitar. Like, just get one song. Just get one song you can play. Just get one thing you can bake. Biscuits. Just get biscuits. And you'll, you nail a good biscuit recipe. They're not difficult. You make everybody happy. And that would be your go-to. you do yourself well. I wonder if you can hear the rain. It is pouring down on our studio right now.

This is very exciting. All right, I'd like to get right to the interview. This is a great time with Andrew Santino. He's such a good guy. He's even seeing him in a lot of stuff. He's been appearing in a lot of movies, a lot of TV. But most importantly,

you've got to go check out his special. It's called Cheeseburg. on Netflix. Now enjoy the great Andrew Santino. Thanks for doing this. This is, uh... Thank you. I'm happy to be here, baby. This is so great, and it's a rainy... It's a rainy Saturday morning. How badly did you want to cancel? Not at all. Not at all? No, the rain. I did. I actually love... Thanks, Tom. I love the rain. I do too. I really love the rain. I wanted to have a cup of

coffee with you in the rain. That's like my favorite thing, but... God, I blew it. Here at ATC, it's not you. Here at ATC, Bill Burr says, No one gets coffee. Dude. You're not going to get coffee, bro. Just go there. Just get water like an adult.

Hydrate. That's an awesome. Hydrate. That is really good. But coffee in the rain. When I used to smoke. Oh, I know. I've never smoked and I fantasized about coffee and smoking.

Honestly, in bad weather, coffee and smoking, it's like, wow. One of my favorite things. It's so good. almost like these devils learned how to dance really well together and you're like, oh my God, I want to do it so bad. It's so bad. I literally picture myself like smoking with, I've never smoked in my life. Cigars? Cigars, yes. Okay. Weed, yes. But I've never, like sat with a cigarette and it just yeah. I still like. They're so bad for you. So bad. I said to my friend, I said, I like in, that Kevin Spacey when he was the president

of the Netflix thing when at the end of each episode he would him and his wife would sit him by the window and they'd open this little wooden box and take out one cigarette and just smoke that one cigarette and I was like that looks cool that's what I want to do and my buddy was like yeah if only cigarettes work that way yeah yeah and you know what single cigarettes leads to

assault allegations so that's what happened to him that's where that was it's a tumbling effect it starts with a cigarette by the window it ends with something tragic in a bar. This is kind of an odd question, but I was daydreaming about it when I was on my way here in the rain in this early Saturday morning. How do you wake up? When you wake up every day, give me your head when you wake up.

The first thing I think of is I hear my wife's voice echo in my brain because she's asleep always. I wake up before her always. I hear her say, don't get on social media because it's a habit, a bad habit. Like I walk to the toilet, go to the bathroom, and I'm just thumbing away for no reason. Immediately. Yeah, that was my immediate. So now I am not picking up the phone.

So literally the moment I wake up, I see the dog and her, and they're both passed out. And I think, don't, don't touch the phone. Because my instinct is grab the phone. Grab the phone. So now I'll go make coffee, go to the bathroom. Sometimes I'll sit on the iPad and just load news. And my iPad's not connected to my social. Social, right, right.

On purpose because I was like, like a fiend. Yeah. So that's my first thing is I wake up and I'm fist fighting my hands to grab the phone. Okay, I won't come back to that for a second. But when you wake up, is it, are you a happy head? Are you a, what do I got to do today? Are you like, I'm up again? It depends on how I went to bed.

Yeah. Like if I went to bed knowing I have a lot to do the next day, really bad mood. Right. But if I know, like, I have to sit with you, hang out. and then this afternoon I got a fun thing I'm going to do. Yeah. And this morning was easy. Great.

Then you're like, okay. If the day is doomed, my negative energy, I'm projecting already. It's going to be bad. It's had too much to jog out. Too much, right? Yeah. I get the same exact thing. Too much.

And I literally was thinking of that. I was like, like today I woke up the same way. I was like so easy. Easy day. So like nice. And it was like, we're going to get to do this. And, uh, but some days I wake up and I'm just like, what's going on? And I think it's because,

because it's a vague feeling of all the shit you got to do. Yeah, the list. The list. Do you, do you, do you, like when, do you try to consciously get in a good mood before you go to bed? Are you one of those people? Like, do you do a routine before you go to bed? No.

Like something else, no, no, no. No, no, no. What I'm trying to do is the opposite of what you're doing with the social media and the stuff in the morning. I am trying to disconnect from the screen. Yeah. Before I go to bed. because it's not even checking

Instagram has me hooked where for some reason I'm hitting it I don't even know what I'm looking for why I'm doing it I just keep hitting that app but I don't want that I also don't want news I don't want news right before I go to sleep so I'm trying to I don't have like a thing of like an hour 15 before but

try not to do that and try and read a little before like all week I was reading rereading Bob Dylan's book and it's so good. And it's, you don't have to concentrate that much. It's just, it just kind of settles your head into this reading head. And you get to sleep faster? Get to sleep faster. I buy books a lot. Yeah. And I used to read all the time on planes. Uh-huh. And now I buy a book. It goes in my office until I buy another book. And then I stack books. I have literally 12 books to read.

That you haven't, never will read them. I'll just keep buying them. I just get either too busy. Yeah. Or the time I want to take to read a book, I'm exhausted. I'm done. Yeah. I just, I'm like, I don't even want to, I don't want to move my eyes in a linear fashion.

I just want to stare into nothingness. You kind of have to retrain yourself to read. Like, I took a break during the holidays, which is when I thought I was going to read, but I was so exhausted at the end of the year. Yeah. And it's like once you, it's like you go to read again, it's like your brain can't even do it yet. It's still like thinking like, didly, didly.

We still go to this bar? I thought we wrote this off years ago. This place closed. Yeah, this, but didn't this guy, I thought this burned down or got bought out. That's how it feels. That's always how it feels when I start reading. I'm just like, oh, we're doing this. Yeah.

It's kind of like starting up the gym again. I took a break from going to the gym. Yeah. Because I was so busy, I was like, I'm not going to over exert myself. And then also go to the gym and try to squeeze it in and then be even more tired and agitated. Yeah. And now I'm back in the rhythm. Uh-huh.

And man, the first couple of times are like, it's unnerving. I hate it so much. You feel like a broken robot. Yeah. I always feel like lumbering and nothing works, right? And all the other robots are staring at you and you just want to kill everybody. I hate it so much.

I hate it. I hate it. I don't like the gym. Well, no, I just don't believe. The only people that like the gym have made it their lifestyle. Yeah. If it's your lifestyle, I get those guys. Yeah.

I'm like, dude, wake up, protein shake, grind, this, this, that. But for normal adults. People that are craving cigarettes and coffee. Coffee? I don't want to go to the gym. I want to smoke out front of my house and drink coffee and just watch the rain come down. Wave to my neighbor. I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he's like, I'll always go on Instagram. I'll always go to the gym.

It's just butter my life. And I love to go. It just feels so good. And I get the pomp. And I feel good. And I'm like, yeah, Mr. Olympia likes the gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Surprise, surprise. The comedian. Okay, go back to the social media, though.

Mm-hmm. What was, why did your wife say that to you? Because I every morning would sit on it. And I still do. I'm, I've relapsed a few times where I'll just go right back to it. With a negative result? No, you know what? She just, it was like, that's just not a healthy way to start your day ingesting socials. Because it is, I completely agree. I don't like it.

But because she sleeps. more soundly than I, and her brain is not like, like insane. I wake up pretty early, and if I don't go to the gym in the morning, if I just don't get out of bed. What time you up? Like, well, some days is 6.45. Yeah. But like 7.30 is kind of like pretty rhythmic, yeah. But she'll sleep

for another half to 45 after that. So she knows. I'm sitting there, not getting out of bed, just thumbing like a loser. Immediately. Yes. Yeah. So I'm trying to consciously get away from it. But it's so hard. Why do you think it's bad? It's like anything else.

I think it's, you know what I equated to? Too much, even if it's all like positive comments. It's not that. It's more like I'm eating way more than I need. I don't need to, that can come later in the day. Let the body adjust. I can let my brain settle. Let you bring to other things.

Yeah, instead of rushing into imagery and sounds and videos and noise and constantly, it's almost like I'm a breakfast guy It's the only meal I care about Yeah lunch can Sometimes Right, I'm the same way Like a breakfast to me And a good dinner

But breakfast is like If you said gun to head one meal Yeah breakfast I baked you bread this morning You son of a gun You can feel underneath It's still warm Wow

Can I have some? If you want Has anybody had some on the show? Once in a while It's tough to tear Well I'm not gonna tear it here at the show But can I see it? Yeah

Of course But this in the morning With a cigarette and coffee on my porch. I'm telling you, you put, you just toast that with butter.

Is this, is this, is this sourdough? Oh yeah. That is a, uh, wheat, all purpose,

and, and rye. It has a little bit of rye in it too. Yeah, I'm so happy. I'm sorry, I just brought it up now because I'm the same way

with breakfast. Breakfast. And I literally this morning was thinking, what happened to the gentleman's breakfast? Have you ever done that? What is that?

it's my most favorite thing and it repels most everybody okay uh you make you take butter the night before soft butter leave it out i have to and you chop up garlic and anchovies mix it into the butter yes put it back into the refrigerator next morning take it out slice toast slather it with that what's wrong with this i mean it's it's heaven on it well it's what's wrong with it it is if you have to see anybody during the day. We're comic. We don't have to work till the night. It'll wear off by 6, 7 p.m. Yeah, it is... And also, the complete is then like some scrambled eggs next to it.

But that anchovy garlic on that bread. Watch me try it, and I'm going to report back to you. Because my breakfast is, I reached out... Hines sent me a crate of baked beans because I said how much I love English breakfast. I love baked beans on toast with eggs. Yeah, yeah. And Heinz heard about it on a pod that we did. Oh, that's great.

And they were like, because I was like, you can't get them everywhere in the States. No, I know. A lot of times that version of baked beans, we don't have. Right. And baked beans on delicious buttered toast like this, oozing off the side with a scrambled egg. I mean, with a, with an over-easy egg is like. Oh, with some coffee?

How do you do your coffee at home? Well, I am a little bit of a coffee snob. Love it. I used to have a really fancy espresso machine. Yeah. I don't do that as much anymore. It's a thing. It's just, I got tired of it.

And I was like, if I want that, I'll go get it from a nice coffee shop. Yeah. But grind the beans at the house. Yeah. Got to be house ground. Yeah. Do you have a favorite right now? Mm.

Or are you pretty? I'm pretty, I jump every single week. Like, a while, for a while I was doing like, you know, like, I'm, like, I'm, like I'll try whatever new hot brand on this coffee thing that we got was like it's fair trade

sourced coffee from da da da da da so I've tried all that and then sometimes if if I'm pinching I'll do like intelligentsia and stuff like that but I don't have a loyalty to a brand I just really really like to grind it yeah make it home

and somebody bought us like a a ridiculously expensive it's like it's absurd where the temperature is exactly the perfect heat that beans are supposed to be pushed at the cattle that the no no no the the physical brewer is like a balanced heat the balances the water to a perfect degree and then it will brew it's it's it's I don't know that oh it's disgusting I'll send it to you it's way it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's gold in there I'm like who needs this I go pour over so I have I like the pour I have the cattle, which you can get the temperature.

And then I just put, because I'm, I'm the only coffee drinker. Well, my daughter does, but she just does the espresso. She's not interested. Shame. Yeah, well, she's young. I know. She'll learn. She'll learn.

She'll learn. She has other things that bring her joy in her life. That is such a fact. She's like, I have so much fun things to do today. You're like, I'm focused on this coffee maker right now. This is all downhill after this. This will make me feel so good for 26 minutes. And the rest of my time.

then I'll be livid. It's just, uh, so I do, you know, with the cone. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, and a, no paper filter. It's like metals. Yeah. It just goes right. That, that doesn't be right.

We have one of those. I like that too. I just, this machine is, it's wondrous. And the, and the plate below, uh,

keeps it at a certain temperature as well. Ooh, that's nice. Because that is the thing when you want to, to like re-up the, yeah, you don't want to do it. Well,

because regular old school, like Mr. coffee mates or whatever. Yeah. You know, it would heat it until it burned it. Right. It was almost they just cranked it on. It was like, it's going to burn in an hour.

So drink it. I was talking about this with my mother a little while ago. And she said, your friends don't like have coffee at night. Like, you know, there was such a thing. Like, we're going to put a pot on. You guys want coffee? Like eight o'clock at night. I loved it.

That's where I learned to fall in love with it. Like my grandparents would always do it. Yeah. And I come from a percolator. Chicago inside smokers. So in the winter, they would smoke and drink. coffee at night. I find it so beautiful. I don't know why. There's something like so, so sad and sweet about cigarettes and coffee at night. It's reflective. There's nothing. I mean, that's why you're

a comedian. You have that head. It's like, it's reflective. It's thoughtful. It's, it's, it's communal. It's communal. Yeah. We're not on our phones. We're talking. Right. See, that's what it is. I think those things were so that if you had guests over or, you know, every family gathering. Yeah. It would wind the night down by having a cup of coffee before you drive home. I mean, the Irish would do it because we needed to sober up a little bit. How are you? After we had a few of these, it was like, have some coffee before you hit the road. How are you sleeping? How late in the day can you have coffee? Honestly, I don't restrict myself. So like if I really want one, I'll have one. And like at dinner when we go out to a nice dinner, I'll absolutely have a coffee after you. You will. Yeah, oh yeah. It's becoming a problem for me.

Really? Because you can't go to bed. It's hard. Like I'm, I'm, yeah. I'll, I'm tossing. like late. I think my body, I was already at some, some days is running on fumes. Yeah. So the coffee is almost, like my body's like, nice try. I saw Laird Hamilton, and I think about this all the time. Just a comment on social media. And he said, you're having trouble falling asleep?

How hard you work today? Yeah, that's, that's, yeah. It's like, yeah, do more shit. Do more shit. Wipe yourself out like you should be a baby being put into the crib. like expent and then you'll sleep fine. It's like getting to the point when you drink sometimes if you're having some drinks and you can't leave the couch.

You're like, I could just fall over here. That feeling of like, if I just lay this way, I could just go to bed here right now. Yeah. Which my wife hates when I, she's like, please don't sleep on the couch. I'm like, it is so comfortable. It is so good.

My dad sleeps on the couch all the time. All the time. He loves it because my mom moves to bed really early. Right. And my dad loves late night TV and late night reading. and he just sits on his little nook of a couch. Yeah, it's great. And he sleeps there a lot.

You said in your special, congratulations on the special. Thank you so much. It's so great. Thank you, thank you. Please go watch it. It's on Netflix. Yep. Called Cheeseburger.

So great. Thank you. You have so much funny stuff in it. But just as a throwaway, which wasn't even a joke really, it was part of a bigger thing. When you talk about your dad going through a bunch of health stuff? No, women. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, going through a whole bunch of women. Yeah. Like, he couldn't figure it out. Like we were talking about guys trying to figure out women and all that. And did he? Oh, yeah. Did they split when you were young? My parents split up when I was just under one.

Just under one. Yeah, just before I hit one. They couldn't make it. Right. That was a rough year. It was tough. But my dad had a bunch of trouble. And I've spoken about it, and I'm kind of doing stuff about it right now.

Oh, yeah. But my dad had, he had trouble with addiction. And then went to the old clinker. in prison for a good amount of time when I was a kid. Oh, wow. And then my stepfather, who raised me really, is that's who I'm talking about when I say that. But my biological dad, when I spoke about him, yeah. Yeah, he really, he really has had a roller coaster of love lives. Right. Where women have come and gone, both in the literal sense, they've, they're not with us anymore. And also just, he just never could, he never could get somebody.

that could like figure him out. Right. And so. No one's telling him, don't wake up that way. No, he just wanted, he always wanted to do his own thing. Yeah. And now he's, you know,

he's, I think he still dates people. Like he still gets a girlfriend or a friend. Uh-huh. At that age, they just call them friends. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

It's not complicated. It's my friend. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, oh, right, he's seeing this girl a lot, but they're friends. So he was in your life the whole time?

No, no, no. When I was a kid, uh, he wasn't around at all. My mom and then met my stepdad and then had my sister and then we moved from the city to the suburb. So when that happened, it like my life changed. But he wasn't really around at all.

I mean, you know, he would pop in and out when he could, but we slowly got pulled apart because of life. Right. And then I talk about that too. I say like I became my own man. He's his man. Right. And you have to kind of settle into this as an adult

that you're like, I'm just my own man now. Was it a puzzle you had to figure out your whole life? Yeah. Or were you like stable with your... I was quite stable over there. I didn't have any resentment or anything like that. You know, I think that a therapist is probably like, yes, you do. But I just, I just saw it as like, well, that that's his version of life and this is our version of life.

Yeah. I would dip my toes over there and go see that side of the family. At what age? I think I started to kind of really like, in my teens, you know, 13, 14, I would see him. Go check it out. Yeah, or he'd pick me up. When I was a kid, I used to go on runs with him because he is a contractor in the south side

and the west side of Chicago. Yeah. And I would go with him to see jobs. Yeah, to go on work runs, which, yeah, it was kind of wild. My dad is a fascinating character. Yeah. Yeah, man, he loved going to, he loved working. in neighborhoods with working class people.

So he would go to the south side, the west side, predominantly black neighborhoods. And they really liked him and trusted him because I think my dad was really good with people. Didn't come from anything. Yeah. Kind of always struggling was always blue collar, our whole family. So he understood how to speak to that socioeconomic culture.

Right. They loved him. It was just natural. It was him. He could never do, you know, a rich guy he could talk to, but they wouldn't click. Right. Right, right.

He's not that guy. Right. Yeah. He's too much. He's way too much. He's way too much. Way too much, man. Yeah.

You got to have a blue collar joke ability to like laugh it off. You know, where he's like, we go to a restaurant and immediately, you know, he's like, what's your name? Katie, he's like, Katie, thank you, Katie. Wonderful, Katie. And he's like so, he's a lot. He's a heavy presence. Yeah. In a good way.

But we just have lunch with him. It's interesting. Oh, that's cool. He's out here? No, he's in Chicago. I was back home. Oh, okay. Yeah.

that's an interesting little insight though because you you have a real cool way of talking about race. Yeah. You're really good at it. Yeah, you're really good at it. Yeah. There's a, it's like a natural, it makes sense that your father was kind of that way and in those things. And you were kind of exposed to that as a kid, because, you know, you could either, you know, you see some people try and intellectually. figure out race and talk about it.

And, you know, comedians are, for the most part, progressive in that way. Yeah. But it's a lot of people try and do it and miss. Yeah. Or it just doesn't feel like something. Yours is very kind of natural and like you, as a viewer, you kind of, I trust you when you talk about it. Right.

It doesn't make you feel uncut. You're not like, ugh, I don't know. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, there's a real realism to it. It's relieving. No, I appreciate it. Yeah. I think a part of it too was growing up a little redheaded kid in Chicago.

Yeah. And, you know, this is like a tale as old as time, but like my defense mechanism was humor. It was violence a lot when I was a kid because I was an angry little boy, obviously because of a lost father. Yeah. So I fought a lot. You did, yeah. A lot when I was a kid. Were you the biggest?

No, but I was always tall, but I would fight anybody. Right. I didn't care at all. Yeah. So I got kicked. out of a preschool for for punching a kid right which is not a good look not a good start but once i learned that i could be i could use a little bit of the intellect that was given to me from my mother she's a very bright woman yeah i learned i could i could really kind of disarm you by

mocking you because you were being mean to me so if i was meaner and and funnier than you you look stupid now because you made fun of me and i was this little red-headed kid and so this sounds but like in the city a lot of these young black kids that I would go to school with kind of loved my bravado right like I had balls to stand up to people that picked on me they used to call me a little opi because opi Taylor yeah many listeners of what is opi to no but I think like I think people respect you particularly from where we were like in that that part of my life because you stood up up for yourself. It is kind of a very gritty, um, working class thing. It's like, you stand up for

yourself. You don't let people talk to you like that. And the black community to paint with a big general brush smells bullshit. Oh yeah, from, yeah, more than anybody. Smells bullshit. And if they can see you being truthful, right, then they know. That's above all. Which is probably truthfully how my dad got still to this day, goes down there and goes on the south side and the west side, but because he's created so many relationships, but he, they know that his intentions are, um, to, to, like, service a community because he feels like that's his world. Yeah. So he's like, this is, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm one of the community. Right. Even though he looks not. I don't have to try. I'm, it's a cultural level. It's a cultural thing. You understand the culture, the movement of the people.

It's so funny in your special when you talk about, uh, the story about the dog with the, uh, The girl with Down syndrome. Yeah. It's so, I don't, I don't want to give it away. No, yeah, doubt. I don't want to give it away because it's, uh, it's, it's, it's so funny and so really true. It's so true.

But it's also very true. Happened in real life. And it was a wild moment in my life where when it happened, I thought, uh, I was so embarrassed. I was like so, I, you know how like as comics people are like, you don't care. You stand up in front of thousands of people. You're like, but real life moments that embarrassed. you? Yeah. I drowned me worse than a normal person. Right. Because we, because I feel like you feel it

differently. You're like, oh my God, I'm so embarrassed right now. It's so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed. But it was, but that bit led to kind of the great arc of the special because I, you know, people ask why it's called Cheeseburger and that has explained in it why I call it that. Yeah. It's because of an emotional moment I had. And it is, it ties to a lot of my feelings about culture and comedy and the way we perceive stuff. And that story is part of it. Yeah. Enjoy the cheeseburger.

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From Warren Zvon. Oh, yeah? Yeah, when he did his last letterman. Yeah. When Dave and him kind of announced that he wasn't doing well, maybe. I don't even know how to... He was dying. Yeah, he was.

I don't know how they addressed it on the show. I think they knew beforehand. Right. And they pretty much knew this was his last appearance. And it was so emotional because Dave, like, love him. When Dave loved somebody, it was... Right, though? Love him.

When he loved someone, you were like, wow, dude, I feel it. Oh. And Warren said, enjoy every sandwich. Oh, man. That was his, like, kind of... He said that at the end? Yeah, he's like, if there's any piece of advice

you have, David said, after all the stuff you're going through. Yeah. Just just... Enjoy every sandwich. So I am kind of, that's an homage, a little bit to him in a way. Good on you.

That hit me like a ton of bricks, man. It's true. Keep me in your heart for a while. Keep me in your heart for a while. I was cooking, I'm getting chokes up talking about it, but I was just cooking for Christmas Eve.

Yeah. And I just, I do this big feast and all these people come over. And I'm just in the kitchen alone. And that song came on. And I hadn't heard it in a while. I was just like sobbing. Oh, over the cutting board. I heard my daughter coming up.

I'm like, got to dust myself off. Are you okay, dad? I'm fine. Just go set the plates. That is one of the most beautiful songs ever. He was a magician. I think sometimes you get musicians that come and they sprinkle such wild magic on us.

God. And you're like, whoa, dude, you're so creative. Yeah. You're so creative? Yeah. It's wild to me.

I know. It really is. It's like a, I don't know that you just happen to something. I mean, but like he was going, he was dying. Yeah.

And he writes this song. It's just like, oh my God. Just a while too. He's not asking for much. Keep in your heart for a while. Oh. It's a deep.

God. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to cry. We're going to start crying. But it does. You, you,

and I'm making a broad statement I might be totally incorrect but like many comics that I know have this weird connection to music it hits them in a way because I feel like what we do is we're putting our stuff out there

and we feel the vulnerability that they must feel even though they look cooler doing it and I feel like most comics I know have such a deep deep obsession with music that everyone I meet has things where I go

oh, that's your, you love this stuff. Yeah. And you're obsessed with it. Right. And I'm the same way. I get like obsessive of stuff. Right. I cried.

We went to go see, um, uh, I'm going to say his name wrong because I'm stupid, but Ludovicio Ini. He's a classical pianist. Oh yeah. And I saw him at the Greek. And I cried the whole show. Like my wife was like, are you okay, man? I mean, look, a couple of glasses of red wine did.

Loosin it up. Yeah, but I just, it was just beautiful. I just felt so deeply connected to it. And I listened to him for years and when I heard he was coming, she actually was like, I got his tickets to go see him. Oh my God.

I don't even know him. He's incredible. I mean, you have to look him up. I think he would love him. But he was just funny. He's this little tiny Italian man. And it's just a spotlight on the piano. He has backup musicians and performers

that come and go into the light. Right. But at first he comes out to the Greek and he sits at the piano, doesn't look at the audience, plays like two to three beautiful, I mean, like beautiful songs. Yeah.

Then he turns around. He gets up and he goes, thank you for coming. I don't like it to talk. And then he sat back down and played. It was like so perfect. I don't like to talk. That's so great. Thank you.

I don't want to talk. It was amazing. I was like, good for this guy. I listened to Oscar Peterson. I don't know who that is. In an obsessive way. He is one of the greatest jazz. pianists.

Okay. And I mean, he's insane, insanely good from Montreal. And his hands, he's got giant hands, and he just, it's crazy. And I was listening to him, and then I, like, when I write, I listen to him a lot. You do? So you listen to music when you write? With no words. This is interesting.

Yeah. Because I've talked to a lot of people that do love music when they write. I cannot. Yeah. I can do it only if there's no lyrics. If there's lyrics, I can't do it. And there's this, on iTunes, like, Best of, or This is Oscar Peterson, one of those things, that I, it's almost embarrassing to say.

It is embarrassing to say. I've been listening to that while writing for seven years. Really? Whoa. Why is that embarrassing? It's your, it's like your music. Well, no, because. It's weird and repetitive.

I always find the things that I write that I love the most. not to jinx it. It almost happens in the exact same places. Like, I know exactly where I go to get some of my favorite stuff out. Uh-huh. And I don't want to tip it away, but that's my... What do you mean get your stuff out? Sometimes I'm just putting stuff on paper.

Uh-huh. I will, a lot of times, just, like, vomit a bunch of nonsense. Yeah. Not funny or... Yeah, spit it out. It's nonsense. But there's locations in the city that I go to. Oh, local.

physical locations. Yes. And for some reason, it's like my internal clock goes, go there because there's, some stuff is ready to spill over. I don't want to give it away or talk about it too much, but is the one, is one near your podcast studio? Yes. I used to go there religiously. Yeah, it is.

Because when I had a young family and the house was just brimming with children. Yeah. And the chaos of that. I couldn't find a place to go. but I couldn't go to like traditional place. I could not write in Starbucks because I believed everybody else there was pretend writing and I was really writing.

You're not doing the work. I'm doing the work. But I found that spot. Yes. And would just give my notebook and just go in there. That is one of my little quiet spots. That's a magical spot. That is a magical spot. It's magic. I don't know. Maybe it's the history. Maybe it's maybe it's the

tremendously mediocre coffee. There are those places, like in the village, like we both love New York. Yes. There are spots in New York that are that way, and they have been, that's what's turning me on about rereading the Dillon thing. Yeah. He goes to all these same places that we kind of go to. Yeah.

It's all in the West Village. And, like, they're there. They're still there. Oh, it's so wild. Yeah, they're still there. And he would write at some of the places? No, he doesn't really, he hasn't really talk about that. Like, when he started writing, he just started writing everywhere.

But just that he was knocking and all those, those are, creative places. Yes. The upstairs of the comedy seller is one of those places. Cafe Reggio is one of those places. You know? It has, it had, there's, yeah, there's something. It's kind of like I watch that,

Paul McCartney thing that's on, maybe it's on Hulu right now with, with Rick Rubin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was a point I rewound, and I do this, my wife hates this. I will, I'll rewind 10 seconds, 10 seconds, of a clip or obscene.

And I will do it. it hundreds of times. I mean, like, very... My Oscar Peterson doesn't seem... No, yeah, doesn't at all. Because I get obsessed with watching the thing. And he did something where... Dude, on the plane, I was like...

Did you see what he just said? But he would pull down some of the levels on bass or on guitar or on whatever. And all he left was, all he left was like one plucked, one plucked, one plucked rhythm of bass. And Ruben was like, dude, that's like another song on another song. You could just pull this out. And Paul started going, yeah, what that is bono? And whatever he did, you literally were like, that is another song.

Like it was like listening to him instantaneously just go, because I'm sure you watch a documentary, to watch him do that thing where he would go, and he just found it. When he did it there, like something, you feel it in your bones. You're like, oh my God. It's so crazy. To watch that magic happen. It's because the comfort of where they are in their home of a studio, it's where his vibration works the best.

It's so funny with music when I'm always like, I have my stuff and then I'm always, what else is there? What else is out? And you got to, when you're older, you've got to go find it because your friends aren't just dropping it off at your doorstep. You got to go be like, what's cool now? What's hip? Yeah.

But on the way here, Beatles came on. do do do do the da da da da da da and i was literally really dadding out like there's nothing better than this fuck you it is it is your little wane and all it's the best and i love all that stuff but this is like this is just hits in such a deeper oh yeah what paul mcartney did did you watch the one on an apple yeah i think i've seen literally everything that they put out yeah watching them create let it be nuts i mean that was gross it was gross gross it was gross if you feel as as much as you you i'm talking to you directly as hard as you work and what you've done in your career you you you even have to you look at those things and you're like what the fuck am i doing i thought i was i thought i

did pretty good stuff and you're like well i guess this is all bullshit these guys are able to string together. Right. Complete, beautiful, harmonious light. It's just, it's like we're magicians that learned tricks from a book and they are magic. Yeah, they're magic. Yeah, they're real wizards. We're thumbing through the book trying to keep up. I put the ace of spades down here. Underneath. It's underneath. Oh, shit. All right. Well, and they just click and it's there. Yeah. Yeah, that never ceases to amaze me. But also, many friends, friends of mine that are musicians will tell us, they have that weird process too,

where they find it in their little ways. Some people need certain escapisms and places, locations, to get the things moving. That's what I was thinking, when I came back to the piano thing. There's also the thing that we both kind of have is a mathematical thing

starts happening. Like you start, when you're writing and it's really happening. Yeah. And when they're constructing a song and I think that's why the piano, I can write to the piano. I know. Because it is a, there's a metric to it. Right. There's something happening to it. And I'll even like when I write and I'm like on one of those where I'm, you know, when I'm writing the books and it's like really writing a lot, uh, I'll find myself in my closet like organizing shit or like in the utensil, like all of a sudden I'm putting things in place, especially rewriting when you're really just kind of like a little machine and you're... Oh, yeah, that well.

That it literally carries over into just walking through the house. Right. You know what I mean? You become... Musicians and us, we all, we both have that kind of like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Something's happening in your brain. Yeah. That's when the wife comes in.

That's when the wife comes in. Yeah, but da-da-dan-dan-dan-dun-dun-dun-d-dun-d-dun. Yeah, I thought about... I thought at one point I wanted to make, this is such a pretentious thing, which is why I didn't do it. And, you know, it's not, not me either. But I thought about naming an album Mison Plus, which is everything in its place. And I thought, I loved the phrase so much when I learned it. And I was like, I could never use it.

But I think it perfectly encapsulates how comics are trying to, when we're trying to make an album, it's like, we badly want everything in its place. Like you badly are like, I wanted to have this wonderful rhythm. I want it perfectly slotted. This goes there, exactly there. And because when they see us, it's just like, but in our stupid minds, we're like, I need to, I need this in the thing. I know. Like, are you a neat freak?

Yeah. So am I. But that's a subject. I think that's partially because I know a lot of good comics that aren't, but mine is from my stepdad was a military son of a military man. So like, you know, the phrase, why are the shoes by the door? It's like, that's like, why are the shoes by the door? It's like, we just came in. We'll put them where they go. Right. I know.

Yeah, that was house Mizon Plus. We had everything had to be where it belonged. Yeah, really. A cup on the counter is like, to put this in the dishwasher, please. Yeah, right, exactly. Why can't the cup be on the counter? I can't go to sleep knowing that that sink is filled with. It's insane. That's insane. What do you think of a murderer? That's like what Dahmer would do. I'm not here. Exactly. He made me feel. So our house is. Yeah. And I keep nothing in my vehicles. Like if like, like, yeah, me too.

One time somebody broke into my car years and years ago and they got nothing. Right. It was like, dude, you literally got my insurance isn't in there. My registration isn't in there. Yeah. You'll get nothing. You know what's interesting is that I developed it. My family was kind of messy.

I mean, not messy, messy, but they're not military. Yeah, pretty normal. And my father just kind of like a pack rat. He kind of, like his office is. madness and you know my mother like yeah but as an adult and as a comic and that I've developed that thing I have it too it just happened maybe it was uh what do you call it uh ADD uh like I needed to have obsessive compulsive disorder yeah and uh yeah I think I have some of it I remember being in a in a therapy session

someone in my family was going through something when I was this is when I was a teenager and it was like a group therapy thing and I was watching everybody like talk about their problems and there was a dad across from me and his son was troubled son was there and he was talking about you know his addiction stuff and whatever but I just remember watching the dad he had a styrofoam cup and he was imprinting with a thumbnail along the edge and he was going on around. I was like, I was probably like 18. I think I came back from school. I think it was 18. And I'm watching him. And that just clear as day was, oh, he's ordering his life. Yeah. His life is out of control. Yeah. He's got this desperate situation. But he can put these marks on this. This is, this helps. Yeah. And I think that's what we're doing. Oh, yeah, totally. Right? Yeah. When you're organizing your house and you're like, you're kind of, confronting the chaos and giving yourself some kind of grounding, some kind of, I can control this. Totally. So it makes me feel like I'm controlling.

Everything. Everything. Or as much as I can. Yeah. Knowing that you don't have any control, I think you learned it the first time I've ever learned it was like when you lose somebody you love. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I don't control shit.

Yeah. This is all. So that's probably part of the obsession of organization and meticulousness. you know, I think all that stuff comes from like learning that you're like, well, it's one thing I definitely can own. Yeah. It's my, I know how to make it clear for me to feel clear in my own little house, my own little space or apartment or whatever. And it makes you successful. Like you are, you're getting shit done.

You're, you're, you're tending to your stuff. What's amazing to me is when I watch comedians who you know are not living like that. No. Their life is chaos. Right, right? And they're successful. Very, some of them, very, very, very. And you look at them and you're like, how do they even get to the gig?

How do they even? Yeah. How do they even? Who gets you there? Who gets you there? How do you get there? It's not you. Who does it for you?

And it works. It totally works. But it's just, I don't, I don't live in that. Well, like, do you have, when you go on tour, do you have a tour manager? No. See me neither. And I know people that couldn't, they wouldn't be able to live without them. Yeah.

And I, my relationship with my. Right. team is like, please leave me alone. Yeah. Like my agents, if there's like a premiere and like, do you want us to come? I'm like, absolutely not. I don't want to go. I want to go.

As fast as I can get out of it, I don't want to be there. And that's what they've learned. They're like, just let him be and set it up and they go away. I don't need handlers. I don't like. Yeah. So when you roll in to do a theater and do you go in and do the sound check and do, yeah. And I talk to them directly.

Yeah. give me the contact. I'm going to shake their hand and say hello to the crew. Yeah. Unless it's a theater that there's so many shows. Yeah. Where it's almost like, I don't know if I need to sound check the Wilbur. They do like 8,000 comedy shows a year. But there's sometimes when I'm like, I trust them enough to know and we've gone over the lighting and what I just, my little particulars.

And then after that I'm like, we're good. Yeah, and that's good. Yeah, usually. I enjoy it. I like getting there earlier. Yeah. I show, I like to hang for. a minute.

Yeah. Feel it out. Yeah. And then, uh, the lighting always screws me up. I know this is a little inside, but I'm always like, the sound, the, both the look of the lighting on the thing. Yeah, yeah. They always come up and I'm, I always kind of acquiesced to them and like, you're the guy.

What's been working? Yeah. What do you think looks good? Do you have a color? Do you pick a color? They'll ask me out the color. Blue, I guess. I always do a blue and a purple.

Like I did my special. That's, that that is almost exactly what I love the most. Yeah. Your set looked cool. The chair look cool. Thank you. Yeah, that was... I want that chair.

You know what? So many people are like, can I have that chair? Yeah. That's, uh, that's, uh, ownership of the Paramount Theater and, uh, in, in Denver. I just, I was like, you guys can keep this stuff. And that beautiful rug, which I kind of wanted to steal. Yeah. But that's also theirs.

That was all theirs? I just gifted everything. I was like, you guys can keep this stuff. Oh, okay. As like a thank you. And then they can use it again and, you know, but we picked that. I chose the, um, I wanted to kind of, um, I wanted to kind of, emulate my podcast that I've been doing the whiskey ginger and I wanted a chair in a whiskey

and a little baby bar and nothing more and I said I just want uplights in the back so something to give depth but not yeah yeah but it was nice to see like it was exactly that because like you and you pulled when you went wide you got to see that like the chair and thing and but it wasn't like you weren't you didn't have to figure it out you know it was it was just comforting yeah like you remember back in the day when Comedy Central did sets that were like extremely elaborate. And you were like, what is going on in the background? Yeah.

Like, I don't remember. Radio parts. Right, right, right, right. It would be like a junkyard, a scrapyard. And you're like, is this a comedy show? I don't remember who it was, but somebody had, um, maybe it was Swartz. Swartz and maybe it was Nick. It had a arcade, like a, like a, maybe was that Nick?

I can't remember. Somebody had like a full arcade. And I was like, why would they waste that much money on the background of it? We're not looking at that. Yeah, we had no idea. It was so, but Comedy Central, and back in those days, the lounge lizards days and all those, like, yeah. They wanted to make these sexy wild sets because some beautiful art genius was like, I got it.

Yeah. But then they forget that you're like, it's all about just the idiot with the microphone. I know. Make it comfortable. Yeah. But we chose it pretty deliberately, and I got to direct it, which was kind of fun. I wanted to take the challenge to, like, direct it and then edit every single frame of it. Yeah.

So that was kind of fun to do. Was the direction, did it give you? too many tasks leading up to it? No, you know, I kind of like the busy body work. Like, I'm somebody that's not, I don't want to, you know, some performers that we're friends with that I know that we'll love to sit and complete another silence moments before the show. I kind of like, I'd rather be talking to you if you and I were back there having a drink

and a laugh and then they're like, okay, five minutes. I'm like, great. I don't see in a minute. I don't like the utter stillness. It gives me too much anxiety. Yeah. So I like the humming. And the humming before the special, we prepped so much hours and hours before.

And I went home and actually, you know, did, went to the gym and stretched and did like yoga for a second to just re-center. And then it was ready to go. And then on the day, it wasn't, yeah, it was pretty good. That's good. We had done so much work before. You seem very relaxed. I mean, the biggest key to these things is making it come off as close to what the rest of your year touring was. It's so hard.

Right? To like, feel that? Yeah, but there's nothing worse than act natural. Act natural, yeah. But you want to create the environment

where it's enough of a show and you really, it felt like that. Thank you. Like it really felt like, this is you at the paramount. You have the same rhythm. You have like the same,

it's unmistakably you. Your, your cadence and your tone and the way that you, the way that you put together specials is very much like, unmistakably you my goal was like can I make can I want it to be I want them to be like that's him that's yeah yeah that's what you're talking about totally is like yeah we work pretty hard on being like

I want this to just this is so me right that they can link it to you yeah and be like oh yeah he does that that's kind of a stylistic choice yeah I tried I and it was uh you know the only bummer that I will say and this is again inside baseball but some people are so excited that they're too excited in the audience yeah and they're there and you're like I love you right let's come on we got to if you were leaning on that side of the boat we're gonna tip over yeah get in the middle please yeah I have we're gonna have fun but they're I was saying that the other day like you can you can think about every element what you're gonna wear what the jokes are where that chair is gonna go right everything's as the director

every single thing. The one thing you can't control is that one guy who loves you so much in the audience who's, who's, who, dude, Tom, Tom!

You're like, Hey, buddy, we got to do this show. It's so hard. And because I do think there is a psychological aspect. They know that there's a taping. Yeah.

So there is another element of, they're excited. Yeah. Because they're like, we're going to be a part of the show. There was one woo in your thing. Oh, it was adorable.

Yeah, the woman that's, the sorority. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. It was so perfect. We tried to take it out, by the way.

Oh, really? Here's what's crazy. It ended up being fun to leave it. It was perfect. But we went to the editors were going through sound. And the sound guys were like, we lowered every level we could.

This woman was on all of the mics. Like, we had so many mics. She got picked up on mics that were 50 feet away from her. She was so excited. So he was like, we got to leave that. I was like, that's fine. It's perfect because you're saying a thing about, you're making a knock about a sorority in a way and she's wooing like she doesn't get what you just said

went right over her head yeah it was very funny which is why i was happy it like it's stayed but it's when you first hear those things or see those things you're like god it's a wart yeah yeah you yeah but it was a war worth keeping yeah it was a word worth keeping yeah it really it's yeah i mean it's it lingered with me yeah yeah yeah yeah we did the sound guy that was very funny he noted said that he goes there's a few things i want to show you And that was one of them. Are you snobbish about any other food things before we split? No, but I'm very, I'm very grateful to be financially at a point in my life where I get to just go to the places I've always wanted to go to.

It's like, it's a fancy dinner. I'm like, oh, we've always wanted to eat at that place. Right, right. And I'm not, I just, I'm really, I'm as open as I've ever been, I think. I'll try anything. Yeah. I'll try it. Yeah.

I, you know, so I like when somebody tells me I've got to go to this place or go to that place. Yeah. A buddy texted me. I'm going to be in Paris. And he was like, and it's someone that is in the culinary world. And he was like, this is my little secret nugget. Don't tell anybody. And I was like, okay, okay. And then he gave me kind of like a list of what I should eat. Oh, that's so great. So that's my little snobbish. I'm not snobbish. I'm just, I get excited about like, just little tidbits of nucks from people that are like. Little knowledge. You know where you got to go. Yeah. Yeah. Did like Hip Harrison not know?

Yeah, yeah. So different from that. Yeah, yeah. So he's... When are you going, by the way? Um, Wednesday. Oh, really? Yeah, Wednesday.

Wow. Are you performing? Kind of. Oh, yeah? Kind of. Yeah, I'm doing like a benefit thing. Oh, wow. But I'm going to New York first because we're going to New York in May.

We're going to move in May. You're going to move? Not permanently, but we're going to go spend a bunch of time. I'm going to shoot a thing out there. Oh, cool. It was a good opportunity to be like, let's, let's, Let's go there for a little while. Yeah.

You know, I come from there and my daughter's graduating. My one is in Paris. That's why I was kind of leading into Paris. I'll go make sure she's doing the right thing. Oh, she is? Yeah. At what school is she at? I don't want to say.

Who knows? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's there for the whole semester. What does she study? So great. Liberal arts, American Studies. Nice. Study abroad, maybe.

But immersive, like she's only speaking French all of her. She's taking regular classes, but all in French. It's just like... That's wild. Oh, she's... I won't recognize her when she comes back. I did exchange in England and I had trouble with it, and it's England. I was like scared about that.

I was like, what if I don't understand what they say? It's going to be so impressive. But when my other daughter goes to school, I was like, we could just go back to New York for six months at a time if we want. Why not? I'll tell you why not. A black lab. a pug, a cat, and a lizard.

So if anybody out there is listening and wants a black lab, a pug, a cat, and a lizard, they'll be available pretty soon in the next couple of years. I know what you mean. That is really the only thing like, ah, shit, what about the dogs? What would you do? I mean...

We could bring them, I guess. It's a lot. It's a lot. I don't want to bring them. I don't want to be in New York at dog parks. I don't really want to bring them. I can't hold it a leash and my cigarette and my coffee. How could it?

It's too much. You know, I wrote about, in my last book, I wrote an essay, one of the essays was, um, it wasn't entirely about the Broom Street, but it was a big chunk of it. What really? Yeah. Special place in my heart for sure. About how when they added the jukebox. Oh, that's a big deal.

It's a, yeah, it makes me so angry. Yeah, you, yeah, that doesn't belong. It does not belong. What do you think you could do about it? Do you think you could start? I've unplugged it once. Have you really? I unplugged it once.

The other strategy is just throw your card in there and dominate it with Oscar Peterson or whatever tone you think that. Like, it's two all over the map. I know. It should just be like Sinatra and then we're all just going to kind of hang here. Yep. It shouldn't be like Van Halen from the 80s, you know, like John. jumping all over the rap. Like it's too...

Too much. It's not the tone of this place. Like we're saying, like, those special places. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you throw something that's not that place. It's like you invited a loud asshole. Just come sit at the end of the bar.

We don't want that. Yeah, you're like, why is that guy here? We don't really need that. I don't, that is a big... That's more important than I think places know. Yeah. You're setting a tone as the owner of the vibe you want. So when it becomes like a, you know,

like a TGI Fridays or like a Chili's. Yeah, yeah. You know, you're like, wait, but this place has so much great bones to it. Yeah, we're beyond that. Why is Bruno Mars playing right now? No offense to him, but it just doesn't make, somethings don't fit. Yeah, no, Bruno belongs in that place across the street.

Yeah, he does. So what do you guys do in your home? Do you cook? Yeah, yeah. Oh, well, I try. I'm pretty bad. You're pretty bad. Is your wife good?

She's good, better than me for sure. I mean, I was never good. baking, oddly enough, as hard as it is, people say, it makes more sense to me because it's all measuring. Right. So to me, I could, I like the idea of the restrictions because then I'm like, yeah, yeah, then even if I screwed up, at least I know what I'm doing while I'm doing. Right.

But cooking is such a feel thing. Yeah. I've never been good at that. Right. Good cooks that I know, people that I know that are really good. There's so much like, they just understand the timing. and I'm not good at that. Right.

No, I'd rather give you money to give me the good food. That's been the thing I've been thinking about a lot lately is I don't have to try and make everything. There's some things you should just go by. Sometimes, but you have the capability. You should do it. I'm the guy that has to go by. Right. Like, I don't have a choice.

I can mishmash things together pretty well. Yeah, mishmash is good. We have dishes that we like will make that we love. But even though I've watched her do it for one, I still. I still can't do it. Right. It's not the same. I get it, but it tastes weird.

Right. It'll be a little, like, you know, the plastic lid somehow got in there for 10 minutes, and so it takes a little, you know, like, like Teflon, but yeah, no, I don't. But I am, but I am a, if my business manager ever questioned my finances, one of them, it doesn't happen, but one of them would be my expenses of food. Oh, for sure. I spend a stupid amount of money on foods and dinners and treating friends and taking people out. Yeah.

I love that. That's great. That's why it's hard for me to give up drinking. You know. Yeah. Not that I have an issue with it. I'm just saying that it's my favorite thing in the world to go have dinner and a drink with somebody. I know.

I like it so much. Oh, my God. I can't do. Yeah. There's no way. Yeah. Life isn't worth it. Yep.

It's true. It's true. Thanks for doing this. Thank you, man. And thank you for this. Enjoy the rest of your rainy Saturday. I will. And you let me know what you do with that.

Well, I'm going to do, I'm going to try your mixture. I take it out, then I put it in the fridge overnight, then in the morning. Yeah. Done. Yeah. I'll do it. Oh, it's so good. We got it, Aaron.

There you have it. The great Andrew Santino. That was a great conversation. I can't wait to hear him try and do the gentleman's breakfast. I can't believe I haven't done it recently. Ah, this is going to be so good. I'm going to stink up my kitchen and repulse my wife and children. Thank you all so much for listening.

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