Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 15 - Al Madrigal

Episode Date: August 18, 2020

It’s a Mexican/Italian cook off with the hilarious and always charming Al Madrigal!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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nothing else is Reese's. It's time for breaking bread with Papa. Hey! Don't you know? Hey! It's how we go. Hey! It's time for breaking bread with.

With Papa, Hey, don't you know? Hey, it's also a show. Hey! Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Breaking Bread with Tom Papa. I'm Tom Papa. Thank you so much for being here. This is a very exciting episode.

Number one, we have Al Madrigal on the program with us today. One of my favorite people in the entire world. We get to break bread with him and learn all about his story, which I've always known from being friends with him and from his, from his stand-up and knowing about his Mexican and Sicilian background, and now to be able to dive into it deeper is super, super exciting. But I'm also very excited because I'm here at the All Things Comedy Studio. When we decided that we were going to start doing this podcast, the Breaking Bread podcast, the whole idea was to literally break bread with people and sit and give them things that I find delicious and that

connect with them and how they grew up. And we built this set, this amazing, beautiful beginning of a Dantana Steakhouse, Italian restaurant, old school vibe. I just love those moments. There's some of the best moments of my life when you can actually sit with people that you love in this kind of environment. And the only thing missing is cigars and an old waiter who's worked here for 50 years who comes around in a little red vest. But this is our set. And of course, since the pandemic and the changing of time, we haven't been able to really utilize it.

So for the first time, because Al and I were both tested, we're able to sit down with each other and actually use this beautiful space. It's kind of like when I've been doing stand-up over the last couple of months. I'll go out, I'll get excited, I'll do all the right things, the right way to make sure that we're safe and everybody else is safe and I'll do it and it'll be so great and so nourishing and satisfying but then you know you're not going to be able to do it for a little while but hopefully and I do believe we are going to make progress on this whole thing and we'll be able to spend a lot more time at this table with all these different people today we will be

sitting down with Al Madrigal just you know him from all of his great appearances his daily show for five years, most recently in night school and a new movie with Ben Affleck. And he's just one of the best standups that I know. And I'm just lucky to have him in my life. And today we get to break bread and dive deeper into his whole story. I can't wait for you to enjoy it. So please welcome Al Madrigal. Well, cheers.

Cheers to you. So good to see you. And yeah, there you go. Yeah. This is six feet. right? We've been tested. We're cleared. It's like four, four and a half feet. We're ready to go. Yeah, that's about from where my sinuses are.

Yeah, it's like the entry point. Yeah. I think we're okay. How are you doing it? This is so great to really. Oh, I know. I mean, we've been wanting to do this for so long. That's right. And to actually sit and do this is, this isn't for a podcast. This isn't for show business. This is like real. I might start crying halfway through. You've been doing social distancing drinks with people in your backyard.

Yeah, we've had some, like, friends over, and, you know, everybody sits separate and we've done the thing. But this is the first comedian since I did Alonzo in the very beginning. Yeah, here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was it, you know, so it hasn't been, like, comic to comic. It's been, like, a lot of couples things. and it's different, you know. Yeah, you're still learning about each other, neighbors, and shit like that.

Yeah, you know, you think of some sick joke and you stop yourself from saying it. I sort of been saying them and I get the looks. Yeah, when you mix civilians with comedians, it never really works out. Yeah, and all the people that, like, we're, like, it's all like through the kids, their parents is like all of our friend group, like around, you know. And they're all great senses of you. humor, all good. But you know you're going to be able to, you're going to cross the line at some point. Even with everybody who's cool, you're going to go a little further than they want you to.

Oh, you love this. I had something interesting come up. I had a neighbor write an article. And then it doesn't say me, she refers to me as a neighbor, but she wrote an article and referred to me because they, the whole family got COVID. And then she was, she was, she was, trying to the, from the perspective, it was called like the Scarlet Sea. And she's super white and super rich. And, oh, people are treating me. I'm being oppressed because we have COVID. Oh, geez. And meanwhile, people are really being oppressed. And it's all over the news. And you're trying to be this victim. Yeah. Because for the first time in your life, somebody didn't run to you. Yeah. So, and just also at the rate, fucking blacks and Latino.

are dying of it's it's like it's three times as many yeah it's brutal and so that is just an indicator of all this fucking years and years of oppression that's also what did you say to her I didn't well why'd you get in the article I didn't say I was super cool I got on the article I got on the article because she was exaggerating which I do with bits all the time I do bits about my neighbors bits about my kids and I you know you take it you do the same jokes where it's like oh, and there's a little bit of fantasy that comes in, and there goes pure fiction at one point. So I take my neighbor,

and I get a beef with my neighbor, and I just exaggerate the shit out of it. And that's what I've always done is this comic and a storyteller. So I don't fault you for that, but I just didn't like the premise of the entire article. And then for her to reference an interaction with me, it's like,

Hey, lady, you really want to do this? It's go time. That's hilarious. It's like, come on. It's like, I know you know I'm a comedian, but you really don't like, like, I live to make fun of people. Right, exactly. I really do enjoy it. Don't give me an excuse.

I've been nice to you this entire time. Right, exactly. You don't need to. You've never seen me. All you've seen is warm-ups. Do not fire a shot. Yeah, because that's the worst thing you wanted to do. Well, this is so nice.

Yeah, it's great. The reason I was really excited also is not just because we've been friends for so long and all the rest of it and being comedians. But we also have a common Sicilian heritage. That's right. Which is why I dropped some olives down on your plate. I've got some provolone and some pepperoni. And these breads are not the breads I made. I made breads, but they're almost too nice for the podcast. So they're over there that you can, I want you to take home. Oh, you didn't make this. This looks beautiful. No, that is a really nice one. And this, this is like the... That's like a standard, like Italian bakery.

Like that's a loaf of bread from from 1976. Exactly. The only way this bread is, yeah. Yeah, the only way that bread is good is if it's dumped in a big thing of sauce. Yeah. And then you can make sandwiches out of that as well.

That's like a great bread for a submarine sandwich too. But I'm sure it's delicious. Where'd you get it? It's okay. It's okay. This is Monte Carlo, you know, Pinocchio's in Burbank.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I love that place. I could live in there. That's a funny thing is like, I do have. have, I feel like I'm half Mexican, half Sicilian. Mm-hmm. Can I ask you that?

Alejandro? Alessandro. Alessandro? Elaborio? Yes. Madrigo. What is Laboreo? My grandfather's name, but I actually was in Mexico, and I was telling somebody my name,

and I told him my middle name was Laboreo, I had horrible Spanish. And he just started laughing and thought it was the funniest thing he's ever heard. heard he goes laborio he goes okay when the hillbillies come out of the woods we say hey laborio that's like billy bob for them that's like a hicky name and in the mexican side they were ranchers so that's they were from this town called el chante okay and if you go there it's like and say my uncle's always told me like You go there and you say I'm a madrigal. Uh-huh.

Red carpet situation, yeah. And where is that? That's like two hours outside of Guadalajara. Okay. So, but ranching town, beautiful. I've never been there. My dad and my mom went. Uh-huh.

My dad was still alive and they went back. I think like seven, eight years ago. Oh, okay. And then did Cicely as well. Did he grow up there? No, he grew up in San Francisco. He grew up in San Francisco. So it wasn't like he was going back to this was just where his parents came.

His parents. My grandfather was from. Yeah. My grandfather, Laboreo. Right, right. It's so funny because Laboreo, I wasn't sure if it was going to be an Italian name or a Mexican name. Because it could be the hillbilly coming out of the woods or it could be this guy sitting in a cafe in Rome. Hillbilly in the woods.

It's hilarious. And then for the Sicilian part, it's funny. I always knew we were from a little town outside of Palermo. Mm-hmm. Were your families from? Yeah, Papa's from Palermo. Coleris. Yeah, that's a, and there's still Papa's there. There was a mayor of Palermo that was Papa. Yeah. And I've never been. I've never been to Sicily. My, um, so I write prior to this, just so I can get the town name right. Uh-huh. I called, they're all up at the Russian River right now. Uh-huh. They always used to go to vacation. So the entire Italian family from San Francisco, would go vacation up the Russian River. Oh, okay.

And there would be little places and cabins that you can get along. Oh, nice. So I think my anti-cookie is up there with another two cookies. Amy Cookie. Cookie Tarantino and Cookie Bellastrary. Only Italians are cookie. Yeah, cookie. It's my little cookie.

That's what is that's a nickname. Her real name is Marilyn. And it's like, oh, there's my cookie. It's like a nickname for the case. It's the best. And so they're up there right. now and so I got the full rundown. We're all from Santa Leia, which is tiny, tiny. We were zooming in on it and Google Maps, kept having to zoom and zoom and zoom, like just really spread it out.

They really get down there. And there is a Tarantino Street. There's via Tarantino. Oh, okay. So, and then there's still balusteries and Tarantinos, and they're all still there. Oh, okay. There's a real cool thing, which we're going to have to talk about, where you can go to Sicily and you can get land for like $100. Really? With the promise that you will develop on it. Because all these little towns are now abandoned and there's just no economy and there's just, you know, they're just kind of fallen. And it's like just little piles of rubble. And you can go and get, I'm literally a hundred dollars. be like an Italian citizen or something to do that? There's some, I think you need the lineage.

And I think, I don't even know if that's really the case. But if you promised to build. If you promise to build on that land, you can get it. Because it gets people jobs. So. Gives people jobs and you're, it's some revitalizing it. You're paying utilities. You're paying taxes.

Right, right, right. Mexico, I'm a dual citizen. Oh, you are. So I have a Mexican passport. and that was part of the same thing. It was a big push, and I think they closed that loophole. Yeah. There was a big push to get more people invested in Mexico

because then you could become a landowner and purchase property. And that just means more taxes. You know, anytime they change housing laws or any shit like that that they allow you. For example, I think because of the housing crisis that we're in the city of Pasadena and said in-law units, we were banning those, but now go for it. Yeah, because they want more people in their county, in their city, paying taxes. Right, right. So they're doing it in Sicily.

Yeah. Would you ever do that? Short answer, yes. I would definitely do it. But I have to go see. I've never even been there. So what I'm picturing is like the place, the town where you can go build is probably, you know, 100 miles north of Palermo in some like little rubble hill where you got to have like a donkey

bring two by fours up. There's no water. It'd be a light, we wouldn't live long enough to see this house being built. It's gorgeous, but I hope you brought a bucket. Right. Because, yeah, you're going to need to get water and shit in it. Yeah. But my parents went back and visited. Yes.

And they did like probably five years ago. And my father, it's his father, you know, it's Papa. So my father's family who came from there. And that was the one trip it sounded like that he had where you just, just felt it. Like he felt like, yeah, this is right. I'm supposed to be around here kind of a thing. Yeah. And then he just went to canoli shop after canoli shop and just ate. But I, and my uncle had the same reaction where he went and he just felt like, you know, it feels like home in a way. It's like a salmon going all the way back. Yeah. At the 50 years later. And so, yeah, I think we

should go check it out for sure. I'd love to go. And we could have that sort of Newhart, Don Rickles' travel relationship. Because both of our kids are about the same age. Al, it's no joke. I mean, our wives are going to be crying at the same time. Cheers, cheers. I think we can't do it now that we've drank from it. Oh, really?

Now their lips are on it. Oh, I don't know that. Oh, because was it a COVID thing or is that always... Oh, that's a COVID thing, yeah. Oh, okay. No. I know. It's like these old Italian traditions and then new wrinkles of...

COVID. Yeah, oh, right, the pandemic. Is that an Italian, like... or some sort of rule? No, it's COVID. No, it's COVID. Yeah, you can't do that. So what do you, so you have this, you have this real draw for both cultures.

I, as much as I can be in each one, I think it's so funny, like growing up, I always, like, I knew that my dad had a very hard time dating my mom. So I always, because here's this Latino, he's a Mexican guy. Yeah. courting the youngest Sicilian daughter of like this fisherman family. Uh-huh. Who was, they were, she was probably told not to marry this guy. Sure.

They're totally in love. They, you know, until my dad passed away, they're, you know, it's like, you've been married in 1970. Uh-huh. So, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. And they're married almost 50 years. Wow. But that didn't matter the rest of the family when they were dating.

No, no, because he was older. Oh, he was? Yeah. And my mom, you know, they married with my dad was 30 and she was 20. Oh, yeah. Which, you know, it's creepy then. You know, anytime you like 10 plus years or if a 30-year-old came calling for your 20-year-old, what are you going to do? You're not going to be in love with the idea.

No, you're not. You're not. And if you're 20-year-old, I mean, obviously it's 1970, but if your 20-year-old daughter is going to get married at 20 and it's a different time, but still, you put the kibosh on that. No, you do everything you can. And the way that they did it back then, like, we would be kind of like, hey, can we have a talk about this? I don't really want to see what your feelings are, but here's my concerns about this 30-year-old dude. This is a Sicilian family. They probably had your father pinned to a car at one point. Oh, no, it was not pretty. No, I'm sure. They were yelling and screaming and making her feel shame. I've always had that in the back of my head. I know that probably some of my uncles were not the coolest they could have been. But rightfully so, sort of also. Yeah, but right. They have to make really prove that they want it.

But it's still my dad. So I always like had one foot in on the, to see, I love my cousins, you know, uh, to death. Yeah.

Um, but when you say one foot in, you mean we were like a little like suspicious of the Sicilian side? I'm dark-complected. I know what they probably say about me and, you know, right, It's just, you know, everybody's racist.

And so I always was cautious about that. I don't think, you know, I don't want to, you know, everybody's almost dead or dead. Yeah. And so I don't want to say anything too bad about deceased, but there was some trouble makers. There was some guys that I was a particular fan of. Secret message received.

Yeah. So, but, I mean, as far as the food, the food, My mother cooked incredibly well. My grandmother didn't do much, but so my gran'ani, and she did not, she was not a great cook and didn't do that much. Then my mom took it all on. My mom learned all of the Mexican recipes from my grandmother on the other side. So I had, now my mom, who's an incredible cook. Yeah.

And then my grandmother on the Mexican side, who's, I mean, should have, they talked to her about opening a restaurant. That's how good it was. Oh, my God. So she, I got to share some pictures with you because I have pictures that have really, I think it's totally impacted my life. Like I have a vegetable garden at home because my grandmother, Louisa Madrigo, you know, it's, she would, got me into gardening and got me into, like was always making a soups and sauces and just. She was cooking for us nonstop. So if you showed up, people used to go to her house in San Francisco at lunchtime because they always knew this is one of those houses. And both houses were the same in San Francisco.

There were kitchens in the basement. Oh, you know, it's so interesting. I talked to Vito's Pizza in Las Jenaga. Yeah. Vito. He comes from Newark. And he was talking about the kitchens in the basement. Really?

Yeah. And it was an Italian thing, Newark Italian, and everyone had the kitchen in the basement because of the temperature and it would get so, it would get so hot during the summers, but they could stay down there cool. And that's where they, all the dough, that's where they kept the meats, that's the whole thing. And I was like, I'd never heard about that. And since he told me that, my mother gave me all these stories of other people and her friends and all had kitchens in the basement. And now you're saying the same thing in San Francisco. With a Mexican and a Sicilian house. So all the, in North Beach in San Francisco, where I ended up living, which is this Italian neighborhood that I'm sure if you played Cobbs or the, I didn't I send you?

Did I send you to a restaurant in North Beach? I think you sent me to the pizza place. Golden Boy. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I lived in that neighborhood. They don't let a Starbucks in. It's the best.

But anyway, in that, there's an old Italian neighborhood where, coincidentally, my dad was born and raised in this Italian neighborhood. So my dad had this connection to Italians, even though he was a Mexican. guy growing up and my uncle Russ ran the Salesians Boys Club next to St. Peter and Paul's Church. We were just like really embedded in this neighborhood. Yeah. And you could,

you go into their garage and I remember there was big nonny, little nonny, medium noni. It's like that Adomarera bit. You're right. So there were these nonis and big noni. You were going to It's hairy

With a huge black dress on They all wore those house dresses Those hard black shoes Yeah hard black shoes With those house coats You remember house coats Yeah Why not he always had those house coats

Yeah it was like a vampire cape Yeah so it was just a Floral nightmare That was just buttoned down the front Hopefully buttoned Yeah And so you would But I think there was another dress underneath

Yeah No that was like the light Yeah That was the look. You put a thing over because they were always working and doing something. Always working. So all the fishermen used to go and they would eat at lunch and they'd be a big table down the center of the garage where a car would go. Now has pasta and just slapping down food for these guys every single day.

And it was just guys from the neighborhood kind of thing? No, it was fishermen because the Tarantinos and Aliotos were fishermen in San Francisco. Okay. So there was all the guys and they'd bring. Do you have you had Molinari Salami? Malanari Salami? I know where I can find that. Oh, yeah?

Yeah. So that's my favorite kind of salami. It's the San Francisco thing. Molinari is a, there's also a deli on Columbus in North Beach in San Francisco. Oh, I think I know. I think I know. Really good. When you walk in, it's just like packed with stuff.

Wall of salami. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. But there's. they would go on the fishing boats with just like they'd leave with some loaves of bread and nine salamis and then come back three days later with all our fish. That's so great.

But on both sides, I got so lucky because the recipes that were passed down that my mom nailed and then my grandmother on the Mexican side teaching my mother how to cook all of those recipes. Yeah. And then also having people that really, really. really care about the food. I listened to the Bill Burr episode. That was so funny. Yeah. Because it was the opposite.

Right. Like, that sounded horrible. Bill's rudderless heritage. They were just throwing stuff on a table. Here's some hot dogs and cheese. Yeah. Just to have it out of it. Yeah.

And boil the shit out of some time. Like, these were, I got so lucky. And that's what the other thing is, like, you think about these mixed families, a Mexican and a Sicilian and just. and just how I hit food lotto. Oh, you totally did. I know, you know, it was interesting because when I was coming over to sit with you, and I just had in my mind because this place, this Italian deli is right on the way,

and that's what I know is Italian. But I was like, I hope he doesn't feel like I'm dissing the Mexican side, but I'm just going to lean in on the Italian side is what I'm going to break bread with you. But I know that the Mexican side of it is got to be. And also, and then growing up in San Francisco where I think it's unique to have a San Francisco-style burrito, and that's where Chipotle sort of came from that, the assembly line burrito that you do at a counter. Yeah. So growing up in San Francisco, I mean, my dad would take us to La Takaria, which is like 24th in Mission. And we'd come from the Sunset District.

So just San Francisco, you can get anywhere in 15 minutes. So we'd go from the Sunset District to the Mission. in the 70s and go to go to this place. We had other burrito places near us, and it's all the same thing. Yeah. We had one that my dad hated so much, but we loved it called Gordo in the Inner Sunset District.

So he would go there. He's like, ugh. Why do you hate it? Yeah, they're putting rice in it. Oh, really? You're not supposed to go rice? No rice. No rice?

Like he drew the line. He was like, we're going to Gordo to you. Oh. Rice putting a rice in it. What is? white people yeah and they weren't it was it was no it wasn't there was no white people running any of these places he's just like it's just a mexican well even it's so regional it's like uh we just have a lady come over the house and my wife would love it but she's like these are mitchoakan beans and they have

olives in them and like there's huge chunks of stuff and huge chunks of cheese and i'm the worst i'm like i'm not eating that fucking minchua con beans they're gross like other chunks of olives in there. I don't want that shit. And so it's all... That sounds perfectly Sicilian. That's the perfect Sicilian Mexican matchup. Yeah. Mashup.

Olives and... Yeah, yeah. So we would go, and I... La Toccaria, there's now a lot, you can't get in it. Oh, really? Because the 538, you know, Nate Silver's website, the stats, best burrito in the world. In the world? In the world.

Definitely United States. Maybe I'm exaggerating, which I have a tendency to do. And that's with rice or without? No rice. No rice. My dad was right. They created the perfect burrito, and I don't know what they're doing with the meat. Yeah. And I've met other people since that grew up in San Francisco.

They're like, that is the place. Really? What's the name of it again? La Toccaria. La Tocaria. 24th admission, wait in the line. Try to go at an odd time. Try to go at 11 or 3 or something.

Right. Or lunch adjacent. Yeah. Early dinner. That's perfect for a comedian dinner. Oh, my gosh. Yes. You know that's one of the first things I learned in comedy?

I'm still figuring it out. From Louis C.K. Oh, really? Yeah, we were, I mean, early, early I was hosting for him at the Sacramento Punchline. And I was wondering, I was asking him if he wanted to get a bite to eat. And he goes, never, a 430 is the latest that I'll eat a meal. Because the worst case scenario, and I've had that happen where you've got a situation. Yeah.

Have you ever had that? No. Like a real, like a real situation? Like your stomach's exploding after a meal and you have to go on? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, you've never had that? No. Oh my God, I had it the worst situation.

Oh, my God. I don't think I've even, I've ever told this story. But it sounds so up in Aspen at the HBO Comedy Arts Festival in 2004. Right. I was lucky enough I was performing up there with a bunch of people. It's like they do in new faces. Uh-huh. And I got the stand-up award thing.

Yeah. But went before with Dave Rath and Carl Welker, my managers at the time, to get sushi in Aspen. Oh, no. Just destroyed me. Immediately. To the point where you cannot not be in the bathroom. Oh, my God. And then somebody is pounding on the door.

Oh, no. Who was, I'm spacing on her. Her name, Molly Shannon. Molly? Is introducing me on stage. Oh, no. And I'm having violent, violent reactions to ask Colorado sushi. Colorado sushi.

It's so obvious, but so stupid. And I went running on stage. You know how you get the sweats and you're just dying? I just, I felt. Your knees feel like they're asleep. I had to get the award and do 10 minutes. Oh, my God. Oh, they're giving you an award?

Yes. Oh, you weren't just doing a set. Nope. Oh. And I remember Christopher Guest sitting in the front row with his arms crossed. And it's like, this is the guy who gets the award. Oh, brutal. Just dying.

But you've never, like, so that's what that's the Louis Fear, though. That's why you don't eat. Right. I would think it would be, it makes. logical sense just for when you have to perform like you need you don't want to have like that food nap yeah yeah that yeah yeah like seven o'clock you're still haven't shaking it off uh but i've never had the but i bet you got through the 10 minutes because your body your body does something weird when the show gets close that enables you to you're never sick on stage you know you're really messed up

i had one flu where i was on stage and felt it and that was the only time in 25 years that I've ever felt. Oh, I've had so many bad experiences. Oh, yeah. I got a sinus infection in West Palm Beach and had to go to the emergency room. What? Because it was so bad. Oh, my God.

And was on stage dying. And then I got, at Carolines, I had a fever break on stage and I was in bed shaking all day, but like 104. And then my fever broke while I was doing my set. and I had people in the front row handing me napkins because I was died. It's just like, done. And not flop sweat. I told everybody what the circumstances were.

Right, as soon as you got up there. But yeah, I'm dying right now. I'm going to just let you know. Show must go on. Yeah. W.C. Fields did a show the day his son died. I can work through a fever. He did?

And they just watched it. Yeah. I didn't know that story. Yeah. W.C. Fields did a show the day his son died. Yeah. Whoa. I always think about that.

Whoa. It's like I get a fever. I always think about Arnold Schwarzenegger who didn't go to his father's funeral because he had a competition. Really? Yeah, because he would have had to fly back to Austria wherever it was. But weightlifting? I mean, Mr. Universe or just not a local thing? I don't think it was open mic.

It was starting out. It was pretty early, though, but I think it was a big one. But yeah, those things where there's such a huge moment in your life and you, you have to pass. Mm-hmm. You know? Those things happen. You got to kind of do it.

Yeah, so the 430 thing, Devin, I'm trying to recap how we got there. Yeah, well, the 430, we're talking about the special La Tocaria. If I'm going to go, I should go around three. Three o'clock after the big rush. So that place is great. And I think they had a high standard for it. Yeah. Were you around during those meals when the fishermen would show up?

No. The long table? We did go to their house. But again, I felt like, you know, I always felt like I was, you know, the black sheep, you know. Really? It lasted that, like it threw after they're married and all that? Oh, no, no, no. This is when I was younger.

Everybody died. Right. So, I mean, when I was a little kid, we'd go over those houses. But it changed, I think, when I started. getting some sort of success, but I always, and people obviously knew me. But then I went away to college and I really didn't hang out with anybody from that side of the family. And I still, I mean, the cousins that I am close to, I'm super close to. I talk to all my cousins occasionally when something comes up.

But, yeah, I just felt. Was it the other way too? Was it, was the other side was now? Just, I was the number one boy. Right. On that side of the family. On the Mexican side. I was like a king.

Yeah. I'd drop something, people would rush to pick it up. I was like, I was the number one son in a Mexican family. Yeah. I was like, how you doing this, see ya? How are you? Yes, you can kiss that. Walking with your coat on.

Yeah, just drop, James Brown style. Somebody goes, takes it off. Yeah. No wonder that you didn't vibe with the Italian side. Well, my uncle, my uncle. Who I'd love to do. godfather who's uncle john um he had three girls uh-huh and then i was the the fourth born but the eldest boy i just catapulted ahead of everyone else i was like sorry ladies the baby king you're right yeah and then my

dad had three boys oh so right like we all were just like the boys ran the family yeah yeah I was like do you, now you have girls. Yeah. Do they have cousins or male cousins? Uh, yeah, they have male cousins. My, it's my, I've got two girls. My one sister has a girl, but, and then there's all the rest are boys. So do the boy, that first born boy, do you feel like he's like?

Yeah, I think in, I think in, is there a status thing with your family as well, you think? Yeah. There is not so much a status thing of the boys and girls thing. You know, like there's definitely when I travel, that's still a thing. Like the culture is still, like, especially like the Caribbean or different places where you tell them like, they'll be like, oh, so do you have children? Yeah. So what do you have? I've got two girls.

Ah, you're trying for the boy. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Yeah. You'll get there. That's good.

Yeah. But in our family, in our media family, it's not a boy, it's not a boy-girl thing, but my, the oldest is just the oldest. And it's just, you know, especially like my mom, like, looking at. Well, on the both sides. They can't help it. The first born boy on the Sicilian side, Frankie, like, I don't remember him driving his Volkswagen bug up to. to our uncle's house and it was a big family thing

and he was 17 and somebody threw him a cold beer and I was like, what is this? This guy's cool. One of my favorite cousins was he got treated still on both sides it was like a special like

Yeah There he is. Yeah, I'm one of 21 or I think it's like 23 now cousins on the Italian side It's a lot. On my father's side And yeah, it's a lot.

And there's definitely Yeah, we still all get together We do a Christmas thing Every year at this Italian place And any Mexicans pop in there yet? Does there anybody boned in a Latino? There's been an adopted child There's been a

There's been Niveling around the edges Where is the adopted kid from? I think she's from like El Salvador Oh okay Yeah No but it's still mostly Italian But yeah like

Look that generation of like the guys were the thing the guys never cooked the guys never cleaned the guys never did anything anything there's no work done by the now i see that changing a little bit but there'll still be and i'm probably guilty of this at thanksgivings more than i'd like he just disappeared at the couch i'll go to the couch i'm the number one son what am i supposed to do These hands are not going in other people's turkey giblets. Yeah. Because I cook a lot.

I bake a lot and cook a lot. Cleaning is a huge part of it. Oh, I clean as I go. It's definitely a part of the whole thing. But I do get of a feeling like my father every once in a while, I was like, what is he doing? Yeah. My dad would go and sit down after dinner. My mom would work 70 hours a week, and my dad would still expect her to cook a full meal.

And then he would go, I don't ever remember him helping at all. Never. And he would sit down and do the albundi, like hand in the pants and eat a package of mothers. Do you remember mothers cookies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not yellow, pink and purple, pink and purple. Yeah. And like those circus animals.

And watch whatever it was on, solid gold. Your mom's got suds and hot water. Yeah, it's busting her ass all day. And then got three boys. What about tempers? Have we talked about that at all? Has that come up with Vito? Yeah, no.

Vito's like this big lovable, lovable thing. His father gave him a hard time. His father gave him a real hard time when he wanted to leave the auto parts business and go into cooking. It was just like, what are you gay? You know what I mean? But no, there's a Sicilian temper.

I mean, you're one of your best jokes of all time is the mixing of the Italian and the Sicilian. Whenever you go into that, I just sit back. Turkey in the drapes is a real story. Oh, I mean, I just know exactly, because you can't control it. I almost feel like pity for you. And I see, like knowing that you have both.

both those bloods inside you. Do you feel it? Do you have a little bit of the range? I have it, but I don't, I don't, um, it never comes out. Like, I don't lash out. I, I, I, I, I've been so good at controlling it later. Yeah. I'm really proud of myself, actually.

Yeah. Um, I've been great. Oh, really? Yeah. That's good. I have, I don't know. You had to learn it, though. I really have done a lot of work.

Yeah. And not, I, I, I've, probably should. I've never gone to a therapist, but I've just, I don't to feel like, I probably still should I shouldn't even say that but I never have either I temper wise I feel like I really I definitely if it does come up I walk away

and it wasn't always that way oh no yeah but I you know when I think about it I had other stuff going on that probably really triggered it like when my dad died not good I was not good for I'm still not great you know like but did he pass He passed away of almost exactly like four years ago, a little over four years ago. All right.

Yeah. And that. Was this surprise? He, no, it wasn't, but that's why we should have been prepared for it, but you never are to anybody who's like, I know, a couple of my comic friends have just lost. Roy? Yeah. Yeah. I know.

I've been talking to him. It's rough. Birthday today. Oh, is his birthday? No, his. Oh, it's Roy's today? Yeah. Oh, okay.

Thank you. Yeah, and I just feel for him because he's such a sensitive soul. Unexpected too. And so that's what you're like, you have all the stuff that you want to say. But my dad had cancer and he was given like five months to live and then lasted for seven years. Oh, wow. So we got a lot of that time, but there was still like occasions like three years after that. I would, like we were obsessed with the 49ers.

Uh-huh. And I would think to call my dad about every single bit of news. Yeah. I would just call him. I was his news source. Breaking news. This just didn't, Dad. All right, we've got a new lineman. And I'm paying attention to the internet and just, I'm telling them everything.

So I would call him constantly about that. That's all we would really talk about. We talk about the Golden State Warriors and the San Francisco 49ers. And like, when the Giants ended up winning the World Series, 2010 was like, he cried. Wow. Because they hadn't won one. Like, he was just so. the Warriors getting popular.

So we had, towards the end of his life, just great run with sports. But with the Niners, you know, being a resurgence, then, you know, I still think, I'm like, oh, my God, he'd love this. Yeah. So excited. Yeah. Oh, it's never going to leave.

No, it's not. You don't get over it. You just kind of learn to pack it somewhere. Yeah, but I was not good. I was, you know, I barely do stand up anymore. Uh-huh. And I think, and somebody just reminded me, I don't have bread on my...

Now you're clean. Um, my, uh, reminded me that my, I haven't sort of done it since he passed away. Done what? Stand up a lot. Like, I barely, I barely was going out. I know that you, yeah. I remember you kind of like, you would still do it, but not like the, I'm doing it all the time. No, not once a week.

Every week. No, and I was going out. Like, when we were seeing each other out and or I was in a daily show, like I was out a lot. Yeah. And could show up at the cellar at the stand, like I was all over. Yeah, and you treated New York. You treated California. You were one of the comics that treated California, L.A., like New York.

Yes. You would buzz, you would do the store, the improv and the factory all in one night, which is very unusual. And I would go and do all three, all three, almost every single night. I'd tell the story that my wife, I'd fall asleep with my daughter reading her a story. And because I was so exhausted because I was trying to do. so much stuff during the day. Yeah. And she'd shake me violently and go, you gotta get up.

You have a set. You have a set. And I'd pound a red bull before we knew those were horrible for you. And I would jump in my car and fly to the comedy store. And I'd call Tommy, who's in the booth. And I'd go, Tommy, I'm three minutes away. Tell him to stretch. Who's on right now?

He's wrapping up. It's Bobby Lee. Like that. I go, tell him a whole. I'll be right there. Because you don't want to wait for another comic to get in between. I'm skidding into the parking lot, run up on stage. And that's what I was telling, like, new dads.

I'm like, I do every set at like 40%. Well, that, I know. I almost felt like, how do we get graded on a curve here? Yeah, we got handicapped ourselves. Yeah, because the guy before us is going on crushing, and he just woke up at like four in the afternoon. Totally. Bobby Lee would sleep till 3 p.m. every day. It still does.

I know, still does. And then like hang out, have dinner, have sex with their girlfriend, have a drink, and then go do a set. You've been working since 6 a.m. And probably if you have a baby, you didn't sleep that great the night before. I remember being on the steps of the laugh factory, just like, how am I doing this? Yeah. I used to ask people, how do I look? Do I look at the, well, you're a little tired.

Yeah, I was exhausted all the time. But you had to jam at that time, too. That was the problem. It was like, you. You weren't at a point where you ghost. Pre-social media for anything. Just needed people to physically see you. So when you were cranking out like that and then your father passed,

what changed in your head? Just, like I have a lot of good friends, but one of my friends, Kevin Christie said he goes, the guy you were trying to impress has gone. And I was like, yeah, probably right, shit. Really? Yeah, that's right. guy that you're trying to make proud or make, because I got yelled at when I was doing stand-up.

Really? By him? Yeah, because I was supposed to take over my parents' family business, and then they would yell at me all the time. I've told a story other times, but what was the business? Personnel. Right. And then I was, but I was the eldest son.

I was supposed to take the whole thing over, and it was a good business, and I could have been made a fine living. Right. The king will not naturally take this over. Yes, exactly. He already has a briefcase. He's had one since five. Exactly.

Um, so the, um, the pride just was miserable. And then I started doing stand-up. And then, you know, when you start doing stand-up, you're making zero dollars for four years, you know, just, so they could not understand that. And he don't, and no one else was in entertainment in your family. So this is, this is like a night club. Who knows what his, his vision of what you're doing at night in these clubs with these sordid circus folk. That was, uh, straight back to the Italian. So, uh, and this is, uh, uh, this is, my uncle Skippy. Yeah. Skippy and good. Yeah, right when we started, I started out and he goes, watch out for the nightlife, baby. And he goes, we'll get you. Yeah.

He's totally right because we get free booze everywhere we go. That's the other thing is like, not only we are these new dads. Yeah. Because I came to L.A. in 2002 with a one-year-old. So I showed up with a kid. Wow, right. Yeah, so did I. 2002?

Yeah, is that when you started? Yes. Oh, well, of course, because our kids are the same age. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah, that's so funny. I never connected that. I don't know why. I didn't realize we showed up at the same time either.

Same time. So 2000. In an apartment on Bluffside Drive and- You kept your New York place for a long time. I did because we had all our family back there and we had a very low rental situation. Oh, yeah. So we.

Nice. Do you still have it? Oh, the one that you saw? Yeah, it was nice. That was, yeah, no, that one I couldn't afford anymore. That was, that was marriage ref money. That was, I didn't own that one. That was my last rental.

But I had this smaller rental in the beginning in 2002, so we would go back and forth all the time. But yeah, I showed up. Here's another thing I always think about, the exhaustion of being a father and trying to make it. I was given a sitcom. I had a pilot, and I'm moving out, and I led the first. family. I was there before my wife and my daughter and I'm in a parking garage. I just come from like a table read and now I'm unpacking a car with tons of shit like loading up and apart like spatulas like that level, you know, like everything that we had from New York, stuffing it into

this apartment, going up and down the elevators. I'm like, I'm sure there's not a lot of guys that are starring in their own TV show who have to do this level stuff. But we just had to. Yeah. There was no way around it. I was... I shot up TV pilot and went back to work on Monday at my parents' family business. I had people announcing that I was going to the bathroom. We got Al Madrigal going 10-1 here, 10-1. I remember. Walking with town. Walking with Al. I am now walking with Al. I am now walking with Al. And now I was just like emptying garbage cans. But that's the thing. Your parents... put in your mind, and I'm sure I'm not going to ask it as a question because I know, this is my

family too, they put in your mind that you've got to take care of yourself and you've got to work hard and you've got to do all this stuff and show business is like, yeah, maybe that'll work out, but in the meantime, you go to school and you take care of everything you have to take care of in case your life goes awry and this dream of yours doesn't really happen. I was on TV, I did that initial TV show. I did another pilot. Then I, I, had 2005 and 2006 was pretty rough for me. I was on the road a lot trying to make a living now as a baby headliner. Right. And then baby headliner, you're getting paid $2,000 a weekend if you're lucky. Yeah, a long weekend, too. Yeah. Oh yeah. You got to work the Sunday. You got a Wednesday to Sunday. Going Wednesday night for

press on Thursday. Yep. Yeah. And missing a lot of kids stuff and just really not loving that. And I think at one point my parents were like, you know, you can come back to work. Oh. Yeah. And I was like, no, I'm not coming back. Yeah. I'm into deep. Was that hard?

Say no? Well, it would have been, again, it would have been a great living. Yeah. And yeah, I never would forgive myself if I gave up. Yeah. How was your wife during that? She was fine. She's always been a just champ, a comedy wife.

Yeah. Yeah. She's great. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing about when it comes to food, if you want to throw another huge part of it in there, before we finish and said, my wife's half Korean. So not only do we have Mexican,

not only do I have Italian food. And some of the best recipes ever, like our sauce has been handed down, is so good. Your Italian sauce? Yes. Really? Amazing. Yeah.

And that recipe that we have, I would give it out. I would give it to you in two seconds. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I don't think anyone's proprietary about that. I think it's, unless you're open a, have a competing restaurant, I think it's stupid. You mean, two comedians doing a podcast? Can't share a recipe.

So, well, we had that happen with my other neighbor. I don't know, like a lot of neighbor beefs, but we brought over, somebody brought us miniature pecan pies around the holiday. And they were delicious. And then we had a little Christmas get together at our house. neighbors came over. Right. And then they left a jacket. My son brings the jacket back to the house.

And my wife just snoff the handed thing. She goes, oh, by the way, tell them we love the pecan pies. Ask for the recipe. And you know where I'm going with this. Yeah. My son comes back and he goes, I gave her the jacket. No recipe. So she won't.

give it out. And my wife goes, what? I open up at a rival pecan pie store next to like, I don't understand that. You're going to, you're going to block her during the holidays next year? Well, we give my sister-in-law shit because she was guarding her snickerdoodle recipe. And we're like, it's snickerdoodles. Who gives a shit? I love how, like, Elon Musk is like, this is how we make batteries, everyone take it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Snickerdoodlels. secrets and the joy that comes with people enjoying them will all be mine.

Like, it's so stupid. So when you got married, what was the food like? My dad learned how to speak Korean from the dry cleaner. Good on him. And gave a toast that just melted my mother-in-law. And threw Korean in it? Oh, yeah, he did the whole thing in Korea. Oh, my God.

Wow. Yeah. And everybody, like, they cried. Like, they were, my mother-in-law is the nicest woman on earth. Yeah. And people flew out from Korea to be there. It was great. But in terms of cooks and food?

Oh, God. I mean, she nails it. I mean, is so. Had you had any knowledge of Korean food? Not really. When I started dating my wife, we went to this place in San Francisco. I think it's called Brothers. It's on Gehry.

Somebody can correct me. I'm name dropping all of these San Francisco restaurants. Yeah, that's good. But Brothers is Korean barbecue. was on 6th in Geary, and we went to that, and that's where we mainly got or went to Korean. And then when you're now, then you're down in L.A. and Korea town, and it was just, we went everywhere.

We were trying new places. Like, she read about all these different places. Yeah. That's so great. I have such a limited knowledge of Korean food. But she, my wife learned all of those recipes. So my wife got all of the Italian recipes, all of the Mexican recipes, all of the Mexican.

recipes from my mom. Oh, geez. And all the Korean recipes. So it's no wonder, I mean, I should be 300. I was just going to say, you should be a big tubby. Because you've had, um, my wife, not just like, has been baking a ton, but a lot of, uh, pies, cakes, cookies. Yeah. She made that cake Christmas, right? Was it? Yeah. And she makes, uh, Tresletche's cake is her big thing that she makes. Yeah. Three mokes. Um, and so, yeah, so yeah, yeah, you got it? Yeah. That's, that's as far as And so, that's all I got. Yeah, it's all I got. A little bikino.

She is just killing it. God, that's so great. But I think it's key. If you're unmarried at this point and you're listening to this podcast. Yes, you're right. Please explore finding somebody who loves food and cooking. I know. It's so important.

Because it really is like a lot of our relationship. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't want, like I remember being at the improv and I think it was Bert. I was there with Bert and we're. Do you remember at the Hollywood Improv? You could walk up on that first riser, and then there was, like, a circular table, like, tucked in to, like...

So there was a bunch of comedians sitting in around that. And I was talking about how I already ate and my wife cooked. And somebody was like, your wife cooks? He goes, we eat pizza every night. Like, they were just, like, ordering... Garbage. Yeah, and I would... And I'm sure, like, everybody's great cooks now.

It takes a while to sort of figure out. when you're newly married, you're figuring it all out. But marry somebody who's a great cook or loves cooking because it really is important. It is important. Yeah, you fall in love with them in a deeper way for sure. So when your father, when you talk about how you got to a point where your father, you know, when he passes, you don't have to prove it to him anymore. Had you felt like before he left, you had proved it to him?

Oh, I mean, when I forgot my first. gig. He was my headshot was on his nightstand. Like, yeah. Oh, he loved it. And I took, I would take him to things. So I took him, you know, there's a couple Latino award shows. So I took him to the Alma Awards.

Wow. And he got to sit there and there was a bunch of hot Latina chicks walking around. And Latin stars. Oh, my God. He loved it. All the people, yeah. Best moment in Hollywood. He had a couple fun moments on set.

After my first show went away so quickly. I decided that I was going to just enjoy everything to its fullest and really make the most out of every opportunity to be on a stage and it wasn't lost on me. And I've been so happy to work on TV shows and movies and so like that. So I would invite my dad to set. I remember I was on a TV show short-lived with Hank Azaria. And Hank has his own director's chair.

It's cherry wood and raised above. everybody else. He's got Simpson's money director's chair. It's badass cushions and says Hank Azirian. Someone ships it. Someone sits up. My dad found that thing like Goldilocks. Like he beeline

Hank comes over and I got to see her dad found my chair. Yeah, so he's sitting there happily. Oh, your dad sitting in the chair? Yeah, he had sitting in Hank's chair. And he would come and he'd sit in Video Village. And I took him to, I was on a TV show I think 2007, 2008 with Raquel Welch.

Oh my God. Another half Mexican. Really? Yes, she's half Mexican. So we bonded so quickly. Oh, my God. And became, Raquel Welch was doing everything with us. She would hang out with me and my wife.

There was a party that we had for the show. Roccoe Welch would see me and my wife and just be lying for us. Like, hey, guys. How are you doing that? It was the coolest. Al, that is insane. It was like hanging out with Marilyn Monroe. But my dad had the poster, you know.

Yeah. the, what, 10,000 BC poster with her and the Cave Girl outfit. Oh, my God. If you don't know that reference, please look that image. Oh, God, you'll never sleep again. So every guy my dad's age who went to high school in the 50s, 60s, like, idolized Rock Hell Watch. Oh, my God. So now my dad has an opportunity.

She drives by, says, hey, out, in her white convertible Mercedes. Big sunglasses. Yeah, huge. She was doing her makeup. A woman would walk up with her. own, her makeup on a sterling silver tray. Oh my God. It was old Hollywood.

I'm working with her every day. Wow. What project was this? It was called Welcome to the Captain with Jeffrey Tambor and Raquel Welch. Oh, my God. And Chris Klein and then Fran Cranz. And then she's, well. Joanna, she married Nick Swisher from the Yankees.

Joanna Garcia and we did it during the writer's strike. It was very fun. Valerie Aslan was in it as well. And so she drives by in the convertible and then walks up to me on set and I said, Raquel, I want you to meet

my dad and he goes, whoa, that was you? I thought it was some 30 year old chick and she just like melted. Oh my God. I love your father.

And my dad's like, I'm no fool. See what I did there? I still got it out. So, yeah, I'd love to happen to much. So not only did he like love what I was doing,

but yeah, I made sure to like fully burn. Oh, and he would go tell the people at the bank. Yeah, of course. Yeah. The guy at the bank really is enjoying the show. My father too.

So I'm with the plumber. He's under the water heater. Turns out he's a big fan. Yeah. It's so great. My favorite is, do you know the, he was on I'm Dying Up Here, Michael Angerano? I don't know. You'll recognize him if you saw him. So he played Eddie.

I'm dying up here with just two seasons, but he's been in a ton of movies. You remember that Dave, it was Bruce Campbell, Dave Foley. It was Sky High. It was a superhero high school. He was a kid in that. Been in a ton of movies. I went to his house to hang out. His parents had parties all the time.

And his dad has a whole room dedicated. But it's like off the washroom. Yeah. It's so great. Every movie poster, here's Mikey and Jackie Chan. Here's my favorite. It's so great. Yeah, it's great.

No, you could see it. Like, can't you see it now? We have kids the same age and they're starting to like head out into the world. And it's kind of this natural thing. It's like you can try and intellectualize it all. Like, you know, what you're going to do? But there's certain moments they do things where you just like, you swell. Your heart swells.

My son, yeah. Right? When they do something that's like. Well, they were both here working together. Yeah, it was so great. Yeah. And Lorenzo came in. And we had him organized props.

Yeah. And there's a huge container. It says dildo. and lube. Oh, no. That's our kids are just stacking the, stacking the lube. Make sure you put all the lube next to the

dillows. Comedy kids. Yeah, comedy kids, but they're, she really loved your son. And it was like, he's such a funny, like, mellow, good person. Oh, yeah, very dry sense of you. Yeah, he walked in here.

Somebody was smoking weed in here with, and Mike, our president is walking in with Lorenzo. And he goes, so Lorenzo, he goes, were you smoking weed? And he goes, no, should I have been? Like, is that what you want me to do? With my wife is the worst because my wife's like, do any of your friends vape?

And it's like, no, mom, I told you, we only do cocaine. It's like, you can't discipline him. No, he's gone. This is great, though. Thank you so much. And you brought bread that you're making, my wife is making. bread. Is she? Yes. She had a hard time. She did not like the sourdough. Oh, really?

She didn't like the maintenance that goes along with it. It's a lot of work. To constantly keeping that going. Yeah. And then because you have to go. The starter is like constant effort. Constant. And she's like there's so much waste and. With the flour with all the extra. Yeah. She said there's other stuff you can do with it. There's different schools of thought. She was making a milk bread. Oh, yeah. And that was I mean, there's a guy my dad used to sit down. My mom would find that frozen dough. It's that old frozen dough that you could find in the freezer section.

And then she'd make loaves of that. And my dad would, again, do nothing in the kitchen, but sit and eat a whole entire loaf of that bread with red raspberry. Smuckers, red raspberry jam and butter. And just. It's like a supermarket tartine. Yeah. That's good.

But we have always like, I can't resist it. I can't. No. I mean, and I have a real, you know, because I make so much of it, it's always around. You got one going a day? I have, I do two, two times a week. So there's always, there's always, the bread is always there. How are the kids?

Are the kids like enough with the boom? So fat. So fat. Yeah. Thank you, Paul. The kids love it. The kids are good, but I can tell, like, they, I make these, you know, big country loaf and stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But sometimes they just, sometimes you just want a, like, a white, you know, light loaf to just, like, throw in a toaster and put some peanut butter on it. Yeah, she's making these cinnamon raisin loaves with that. And she's making so much great stuff from scratch. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Her buns, I forget what the rules she, she made. Oh, Parker House rolls. Yeah, those are so good. Can she give me the recipe? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, she's sharing everything. We're at the Madrigal house. I won't give her my sourdough. You're not getting it. Hold on. She can have the jacket, but she's not getting the sourdough.

Well, this is really great. Really. I mean, I want it? Like, this is our own Italian restaurant, too. I know. I love it here. This is, I mean, this is, we were planning on doing all of them from here. That's right. And then it wasn't until we can find people that are tested to do it. Let's put ambiance. Can we, we add some music to this? People will be hearing it the whole time, but we should be able to have Aaron find restaurant sounds. Yeah, that would be very cool. That would be really cool. What I also want to do, too, is start adding some head shots. Oh, my God, we got to have a Carol Channing. Right, exactly. Yeah. Those are the places we go to in San Francisco. My dad loved knowing somebody, and so we'd go to this place, Bruno's in San Francisco on Mission Street, and it had all the

headshots. Yeah. And, you know, even if you go to the palm where they do all the character shows and stuff like that, but I love those restaurants, those old Italian steakhouses. Oh, the best. Do you have one near you? Not really. Not, no. There's Columbo's Italian Steakhouse and Eagle Rock. Oh, yeah. Hilarious. Those are the best. And it's a little weird and gay a little bit. Not that's anything wrong with that, but it's like, it's like, I brought a friend there and he's like, are we here on like some sort of gay night? I'm like, no, it's just. It's just, I love going over the hill to Muso and Franks still.

Well, that's, I mean, that's why we wanted to make this look exactly like that. I know. Taylor's Steakhouse in Los Angeles. There's Taylor's. Uh-huh. Musso and Franks. Yeah. Dantanas.

And then someone broke away from Danana and opened Craigs, I think it's called. Oh, okay. I've heard about that. I haven't been there, but Fortune was just telling me about it. Okay. Yeah. Maybe Rocco, what?

Well, she's the first headshot that goes up. That would be a good one. Great. Yeah. Well, thank you. so much. I mean, we could really, we could do a lot of these. Yeah. I'll have you back for sure. Please, please. And wine during a podcast? The best. The best. Cheers. Salute.