Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 213 - Ilana Glazer

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Ilana Glazer joins the table to talk about her new movie 'Babes!' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About Ilana: Ilana Glazer is an American stand-up comedian, actress, writer, producer, director, and activist. She co-created and co-starred, with Abbi Jacobson, in the Comedy Central series Broad City, which is based on the web series of the same name. She was twice nominated for the Critics' Choice Television Award for Best Actress in a Comedy Series for the series. Glazer also starred in the 2017 film Rough Night and released her debut stand-up comedy special, The Planet Is Burning, in January 2020. In 2022, she won the Tony Award for Best Musical for serving as a producer for the Broadway show A Strange Loop. About Tom: Tom Papa, a celebrated stand-up comedian with over 20 years in the industry, has made significant strides in film, television, radio, podcasts, and live performances. Notably, he's a regular on "The Joe Rogan Experience" and various late-night TV shows. Papa's literary skills are evident in his books “We’re All In This Together” and "You’re Doing Great!: And Other Reasons To Stay Alive," a collection of essays, and "Your Dad Stole My Rake: And Other Family Dilemmas," a comedic look at family life. His latest stand-up specials are “Tom Papa: What A Day!” and "Tom Papa: You’re Doing Great!" on Netflix. Beyond comedy, Papa's engagements extend to hosting "What A Joke With Papa And Fortune" on SiriusXM and appearing on NPR's "Wait, Wait Don’t Tell Me." His love for baking led to hosting the Food Network series "Baked." As an actor, he's worked with notable figures like Rob Zombie and Steven Soderbergh and has appeared in several films and TV shows, including the HBO film "Behind the Candelabra." Additionally, Papa has contributed as a writer to projects like "Bee Movie" and various TV series. Residing in Los Angeles with his family, Papa continues to balance his professional life with personal interests like baking. Get in touch with or go see Tom live on stage! Radio, Podcasts and more: https://linktr.ee/tompapa/ Website - http://tompapa.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tompapa Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/tompapa Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/comediantompapa #TomPapa #breakingbreadwithTomPapa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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or a sexless, annoyed mom. It's time for breaking bread with Papa. Hey, don't you know? Hey, it's also a show. Hey. You could also rent and see for a bit. Yeah. Oh, well, here's the problem.

Do you have dogs? So smart. We didn't time it out right. Where the kids are leaving. My daughter just graduated college and my other one's in college. Good job. Yeah. Damn.

It's pretty great. Comedian. Comedian. Incredible. Monster Club. Yeah, pretty weird. Thank you. And it's like, okay, let's just go to New York for three months.

And we have this pug and this giant black lab and a cat and a lizard. Oh. And we're trapped. How do you feel about leaving them and having like a house sitter? Fine. That'd be fine. Do it. If we have somebody that would stay for a long time.

Come for the summer. It's so fun. I know. It's so fun. It's so great. We better start. We're on a fucking roll. So what's that?

We better start. We're on a fucking role. Yeah, we've already started. But let's continue. We are? Yeah. Okay, then let's keep going. I just wanted to make sure we were capturing this.

Magic talk. This fucking chemistry, baby. Yeah, you got to come. What's your name? My wife's name is Cynthia. Cynthia. Oh my God. Tompapa and Cynthia.

Yeah. Summer. An empty nester summer in New York. Also, one kid's already in college. That's the house sitter. I know. That is, yeah, but well, yeah, but the problem is, um, my wife really wants to be with the kids. Oh, duh, duh, duh.

Yeah. I do too. Yeah. But I would go for a little bit. Do they still feel? Do they still feel like your little itty-bitty babies? Do you feel their toddler chunkiness in them? Yes. It's like so delicious. It's insane. It's insane. You go through these periods where you, I can't, you know, your phone is always is feeding you your life. like the phone came out when they were born and there's certain days you can look at. Last night I was looking at Lena, the older one. She was probably 12 here in New York in our apartment. And I was like, oh man, remember that little skinny,

like funky New York kid? And now she's like this woman who's going to come here and get her own apartment. Oh, it gives me chills. And it's like I don't even know her, but I know the feeling now. And I see, you know, I just feel so on the thread. We're on this thread.

There's this Slaughterhouse Five. I think it's Slaughterhouse Five. Yeah. Kervanagan has this bizarre, like, dream scene of, like, some other planet where space time is different and humans are slugs. Right. And at the slug tail is the baby crawling. And at the slug head is the old person. And that's how I feel these days, where I feel connected to my younger self and I feel connected to my old fucking Fran Leibowitz, New Yorker.

I know it, you know? And I see that in my daughter too, where I'm like, she's already no longer, I just would think about like John Candy when she was a baby. When babies look like middle-aged chunky men, it really cracks me up. And I like think about her little baby self and like this office worker and her little button down. And now she's this like gorgeous kiddo. And I can feel her when she's 12 and when she's in college. How old is you now? Three.

Three. Yeah. It really is. What's really a remarkable is that that that, little kid that you met coming home from the hospital is the same. Like there's really, they, they show up who they are. It's kind of insane. It's so magical. My mind is blown. I, I, I microdosed this weekend. You did? Yeah. And it was like really nice. My husband was like sober and chill. So a little more than micro. Maybe a little high. Yeah. And, well, it was more than micro.

It doesn't sound micro. It revealed itself to be more. than micro where I was like, oh, here we are. But it was so cool, because I feel like I'm tripping balls all the time with my kiddo. Just when I make that space in my mind and heart to really be present, don't be thinking about work. Don't be thinking about the other thing. It's like tripping. You're looking at their faces. You're looking through space time at your ancestors.

And it's just, it's nuts. Yeah. But then the tripping was wild. I was like, it's too much. Yeah. It's too much. I know. I've microdose. I'm going to turn this off just because it's blowing right on me. Yes, I know from your stand-up that you like a little weed.

Yeah, I loved weed. But do you like little mushrooms as well? Yeah, I've been, yeah, I did. Do you know how to do this remote? Yeah, I smoked wheat forever, but I'm not that great on weed anymore. It kind of, there was a moment when I realized what it was doing to my funny. Like it was good to kind of give me insight and kind of get me out of, you know, what I was, my normative way of thinking, but it wasn't, and it was really made me very funny early. Then I hung out with somebody who I would be funny with all the time, who's just a regular guy, and he just ran circles around me.

And I was like, ugh, and I was getting lazy and all this. But now with this pot renaissance, I'm like, I want to go back to it, but it just doesn't, it just has a much, much smaller place in my life. But I have been microdosing a bunch. Nice. And going about your normal life and seeing how cool. Yeah. And once and a while it'll kind of like cross the line and you're like I shouldn't be driving. No, not driving. Not driving. That's a nice thing about New York.

Did you start microdosing out of like a depressive place? I find a lot of people do that. No. Or have been doing that. No. But it was pretty. I mean just that you hit like four in the afternoon and you're like, well, nothing bothers me and I'm not, and I'm not sleepy. Yeah. We'd occupy as a smaller space in my life, too. I found myself much more sober. I guess also because of the forced sobriety of pregnancy, where before I got pregnant,

I would be like, I didn't drink today or yesterday. Uh-huh. It's like, good job, bitch. What? Damn, a day. Uh-huh. And like, and then, like, you know, and then with being pregnant, like, you know, I talk about in my latest sandabower that it's like I did smoke a little but like eventually like

I really didn't and then especially when the baby comes like you need all your senses and your alertness and gosh and it's so new it's like no thank you for the uncertainty that can unfold but yeah now um she's my my daughter's three and it's just and I'm 37 and like my body isn't I'm not capable of juggling all the things or faking to myself that like I can do it all. I don't think I could do it all then. Yeah. But I could just sort of hold more noise. I don't want noise.

I want like sounds and melodies separated and one at a time, please. Yeah. And you have to manage it. Like, serious stuff. Like something goes down. No, thank you. You want to be on high alert. Girl.

I always said that I used to say in my act that being a parent, you're like a volunteer fireman. Like you're always just hanging around. You're not doing that much, but you're ready. Yeah. If shit goes down, you've got to throw on the hat and do stuff. Totally. It's like not cool. Yeah.

Like I'd feel like such a fucking loser. Uh-huh. Bad happen and I was blazed. Like, 100%. But like my body too, I just can't. Like when I do get high, it's like such a tiny little. And the micro dose, I was like so tiny. But then I was like, woo.

I think also like my heart expanding for this child and being a person in the world with a child. Yeah. It's like so much hits me. So much hits me more. You know, the news I'm sadder and like viscerally crying, you know, whatever. So things hit me. I'm more sensitive. We started blocking out the news when the kids were emerging because it's just so, I mean, any source on television.

was so toxic anyway. It wasn't really just news. How old are they, your girls? Now they're 22 and 19. Which is also like when 24-hour news is new. It's from 9-11. The ticker tape. Yeah.

That used to be only for emergencies. Right. And just when your first was born was 22, so that was 2000. Yeah, she was born at 2002. Yeah, exactly. So like that 24-hour shit, that's when it started becoming poison. Poison. And I remember during 9-11, we decided to have her after 9-11.

And I remember calling my cousin, who's had kids a couple years older. Was he or she in Jersey? They were in Jersey. They were in Jersey. And I called him like, holy shit, can you believe what's happening to the world? And he was like, nah, I'm not really watching it. I was like, what? I mean, the world is collapsing around us.

And he was like, dude, I got kids. We're just kind of rolling around on the floor. I was like, wow. And then when I had kids, I got it. It was like, the world's going to figure it out. We've got to figure out, you know, Thomas the tank engine. It's a real privilege. I feel so privileged to be able to have a kid safely and securely and all the access to the basic functions.

Everyone on the planet should have access to. Yeah. Because then your world privately can be the whole world. Right. you're not surviving for basic needs. For everything, yeah. It's just, it's such a privilege. And my, like, my mind is blown about it, you know?

Yeah, 100%. So cute thing with two girls. Yeah, the best. God love you. God bless you. Oh, my God. The Papa family. Yeah, the Papa's in.

It's all women. It's so sweet. It's all girls. It's so sweet. Did you grow up? Did you have, like, female friends growing up? I had two sisters. Oh, yeah.

And a ton of female friends. Yeah. You seem like. a man who could laugh with women. A hundred percent. I had an essay in one of my books about knowing when I shifted from that because my mother was very funny. And she had a couple of my like fake aunts who were like her best friends who were really funny.

And I remember I'd hang in the kitchen with them and they'd be doing voices and they'd be funny and then you go into the den where the guys were watching football. and it was like, mb, blah, and I was like, this is boring. Consuming,

and women are generating in the kitchen. Right. So I would always hang over there. And I would like, and then there came a moment. I don't know, like in,

I don't know when I was probably 14, 15, something like that, where one of the ants, I started hanging with the guys more. Uh-oh. And my aunt... Looking for trouble. My aunt said,

oh, he's a man now. and it really stuck with me because it was like this playful. A genuine loss of playfulness. Yeah. Yeah. Becoming a man. I didn't lose it completely. Yeah.

But there was. Well, I'm sure you returned to it. Yeah, 100%. But there was. Or it seems. It feels as though you return to it. Yeah. Yeah.

But they were, yeah. I mean, to this day, they're just much more interesting to talk to. It reminds me of my brother and I, my brother Elliot is a comedian also a writer and performer and we spent hours and hours and hours when we were kids making sketch videos. Yeah. My mom's dad, grandpa Dave, he was making sketch videos alone. You know Pavarotti, the opera singer?

Yeah. He threw a dishrag on his head, a washcloth on his head and he was Pavarotin. It was the scariest video. I was like, that's grandpa. It was so scary. Poveraten. Amazing. And he had a network called K-R-A-P-V, crap TV, that my brother and I inherit.

It was inherited once we started making sketch video. This is brilliant. It was brilliant. It was so creative. Yeah. And then my brother and I moved into a merger and had moved it to GBS, the glazer broadcasting system. We were obsessed.

We were obsessed. And my brother on this old Sony camcorder would, you know, edit in real time how it used to be done, where it's like, let's do that again. We record over the tape. Like, it's just like so far away from now. and he would also have like title cards of index cards and then reverse the you could make it lime green believe it and you could inverse the colors like just so 90s and um when i was like so we started that when i was about three or four yeah and when i was maybe eight or nine my brother was like no thank you and was like going through puberty you know right and it kind of reminds me of that where it was that loss like a loss to manhood yeah take so much from this world it does and you know, it's a natural course, but it's, I think if you're surrounded by women, you kind of, you don't, you come, you return to it. There's like, or you don't completely abandon it. That's

the difference between manufactured manhood and true manhood, which I think is the support of women and all people. Right. That's true manhood. When men are strong enough and secure enough in their masculinity, that they are open and receptive. Right. Yeah. I love it. It's great. The only time I, my wife asked me the other day, did you ever, were you ever bummed out that you didn't have a boy? And it was like, there wasn't one minute of being like, I want boy. But every time I would get in a car, like when I'm traveling, if it was someone from a, like an immigrant culture, if it was like Jamaican or if it was a Cuban or something like those masculine, there's, there is that thing of like, how many children do you

I have. I've got two girls. So you were trying for the boy now? They would always ask. Like it was just a thing. Yeah. Yeah. But man,

no way. Yeah. No way. Congratulations on the movie. Thank you. You made a really good movie. Thank you so much. This is really,

it's so, you fall in love with these characters. There's like this, I mean, it's very funny, but it's charming. It's like you really do fall in, like, early.

Like you, you hook, I got hooked early. Oh, on them and their relationship. It's really, really well done. Really? I mean, that's such a huge thing.

Thanks. It's a big grown-up movie. I appreciate that. Thank you. It's my pleasure and my honor. Yeah. Really? When did you wrote it?

But I read, did I read that it wasn't really your idea at first? It was your manager's idea? Yes, my manager, Susie Fox. Representation in this industry is like, what? Yeah. But Susie is like, a real one. She is a real driver

with ideas and instincts, good instincts. And she had this sort of just a flash of like the headline of me in the shower. It just came to her like Alana and a best friend and she, Alana gets knocked up but the best friend has kids. And Susie's girls are five and seven now. But they were oh my gosh they were like one in three or two and four at the time. So she was in the trenches of early parenthood. How old, how, uh, 22 and 19, you said?

22 and 19. So you did it. My daughter's already three. I don't know if we're going to have a second, but, um, they would already, it would already be years apart. Yeah, well, three years. Three years is pretty, is, is a, a nice space, but it's still like, I got two little, you have two individuals who are like super drunk.

You know what I mean? Like, it's like for so long. They're like so wasted, shwasty. Um, so Susie was in like the real trench. they're 21 months apart. Uh-huh. My co-writer, Joshua Binowitz and I, his wife, Annie Semberg, and I were pregnant at the same time. So we were filling that role of Eden, my character, who was totally naive to the responsibilities of being a parent.

And Susie was filling the role of Dawn, who has a husband and two kids and is just struggling to survive day to day. Right. So you were pregnant when you were writing it? Yeah. Just a few months pregnant when we started writing it. Oh, that's so pretty. Perfect. Yeah, it was awesome because also the physical hard comedy of pregnancy was cracking me up.

I was so sick for six months. But it was making me laugh because I was like, this is absurd. I would take like a sip of water. Open the fridge. You know Airwain, obviously, in L.A. I had loaded up, I'm like literally, literally gagging as I speak right now to think of Airwine, not for the socio-political reasons, but for the actual. actual food itself. I would, something about it.

It's just gaggy. I would open the pitch and I would throw up in my hands. It was crazy. It was so, I just, I overloaded. I, I over did it. You need to be like graceful and piecemeal. It's so insane. My, my, my nephew's wife is pregnant right now. And it's so absurd. We had, for my daughter's graduation, we had this house and everybody came over. Are you warm? had this house? Are you warm?

No, I'm great. Okay. Yeah, we rented a house near the college because we have a big family so for everyone to come over rather than go to arrest. I think you're saying at your house and I was like, what's this verbiage? Right. Okay, got it. And everyone's just like, everyone's just, you know, having a nice little, you know,

family time. And I would look over at her and it's like there's like something so intense going on inside. And everybody's like we're just eating, you know, some spinach dip and, you know, You know what I mean? And there's this person who's just like, I'm growing something inside me. Yeah. Who's acting like she's just at a party. My best friend the other day, she's pregnant with her second.

Our children, her first, their best friends, they're inseparable. And she's pregnant. And I was just like, good to see you. And don't forget, you're growing a person inside your body. In addition to all the other things you're doing today. Bye. It's like, don't forget. Don't forget.

We just pretend it's not happening. And the way the world is organized, we want to deny that women can do this and are the ones who can do this. Like the whole system feels organized. Oh, it's like, you know, a few men control the majority of the world's wealth because they're not able to create life. So now they're creating AI. And it's like, girl, that's not life. You know what I mean? That's just extractive.

That's more extraction. Yeah. And so I feel like we're in denial of where we truly come from. Right. In order for capitalism to continue. You know what I mean? That's what I mean. That's all I mean.

That's all you mean. Like the whole system is just built to. Yeah. Keep selling us more stuff. I was also shook at the horniness of pregnancy. I had always, I was born in 1987. I was consuming my lion's share of TV and film in the 90s. Really given the message that you are, you stop being sexy, you start being an annoying

bitch when you become a mom. That's the message I got in the 90s, that you're either a hot babysitter or a sexless, annoying, annoyed mom. And how horny I was was hilarious. It was unbelievable. It's kind of insane. What's insane too is the husband. It's a turn on like you.

For sure, girl. Your DNA is like, look what we did. You're like, wah, wah, everything is pulsing. It's nuts. Even after we had our baby, we were just so excited. You know, there was just so much energy.

And also, no joke, that was like one of the few times I wouldn't be sick. Oh. The context switching. I also shot this show, the after party, for six months while I was pregnant. Right. And it was so weird that I would be filming and my body knew to act now. And then they'd be like cut and be like, oh, you're back.

And I'd run and puke immediately. I'd be driving home. I ask for a car in L.A. Because I'm not driving to work. It's so scary. But like I would, I'd be like, thank you so much. Have a good one. Shut the door and puke in the bushes.

I couldn't make it a step because my body was like you're safe to puke now. You're at work. Isn't it weird? It's so crazy. Don't you think, isn't it strange that we can't like harness that distraction? Because like you never feel sick on stage. Like there's that thing. But you are harnessing it. You're on stage.

Yeah, but I mean, yeah, but then how about when you're walking past the bushes, how about not throwing up in them? You know what I mean? Like why can't we just. Yeah, maybe. And what are you going to do? Never throw up? I hope not.

Yeah, you have to. I'm a boy. We don't like to throw up. I know. Boys are scared. I don't like it. It's okay. I'll rub your back.

I don't like it all. Like I was doing it so much. It really became. Yeah. That is so. I'm puking and I'm like, doing this like while it's coming out. Just like, it was so funny.

Yeah. It is kind of, it is, you know, it's so remarkable that you have to, as a woman, you have to do all of these things, even without children, just the natural course of menstruating. and going through your life, like that you have, oh, so you're just going to be sick once a month and try and kick ass and fight in this system to do what you're going to do. Women are remarkable for doing it,

but it's sadistic that we have to. It really is. It really is. And I was even thinking about it when you're running around talking about the film and doing all the press. It's just so funny. It's just a funny thing,

and it's got some good meaning to it and stuff like that. But I don't know. Does it get like, do you ever get tired of having to be like this is also I'm planting a flag for everything that's ignored about how great it is to be a woman

like you know what I mean like when a guy goes out on promotes his movies like yeah it's just this movie and just that da da da da da da da da da you know and it's funny and when he fell down the gutter and it was hilarious but there's always going to be a moment

when you're and I don't know if you feel like ennobled and like emboldened and talk it because you do it on platform I don't know that word Did I make it up? I don't know. Like the feeling like that you're empowered to be in a place to talk about it? Or is it drag sometimes that you can't just talk about comedy?

So first of all, the thing is like I never intend to be political. I just am because I'm a woman with progressive ideas, which are simply that every person on the planet should have basic human rights. That's like super radical. What is wrong with you? In 2024, that's super radical. So when people ask me like, did you intend? I'm like, no, I'm just being real about my experience.

Yeah. And it's, and you're not saying that, but I'm saying like in all these press conversations, I'm like, what does it mean about you and the system we're talking about that this is, that you think I have to strategize being honest about being pregnant? Like, it's all I have is the experience I have. Yeah, yeah. But I actually feel it's my duty to plant this sentiment in reality, which is that we live in a system that's psychotic and sadistic and doesn't have to be. This is one way, eight billion people or 300 million if you're talking about just America.

This is, we live in one way that 300 million people could be organized. but not the way. You know, it's my, it's my duty, but it's also my privilege and honor. I'm so grateful to have the awareness of it because I feel protected by my knowledge. Rather than like floating in questions and not knowing the reality I live in or the feelings I have about it. I know the reality I live in and I know the feelings I have about it and that's, I'm proud of that. But it's like we forget we're swimming in this system which benefits a handful of billionaires, I think whom are all men. And our whole, let's focus on the U.S., our whole system is to make sure that they keep their wealth and get more and more while the majority of people don't have basic human rights.

I mean, you know, our insurance is privatized. That's, even you and I don't have that basic right. We race to make enough money to pay for our insurance rather than just having it as a basic human right as a necessity. We could be organized around trees, our society, around preserving trees. And I bet children would then have health care. Right. Like we could be organized around animal rights. We could be organized.

Like the focus of our society here in America could be, food for children, but it's not. Yeah. It's for like a few billionaires to retain their wealth and have it grow exorbitantly. It's an insane thing. And I'm feeling it now because I'm watching my wife deal with her mother who's like 90 and watching the economics of what happens at the end. And it's like you have to, if you get, if you play really well and get very lucky,

in this system and make a bunch of money, they're going to come and get it all at the end when you're dying. Like, it's so expensive to just care for an old person. Just to have an old person, like, not be in a shitty place. Right. It's so expensive to have your mom die. All our moms are going to die. And that's really expensive.

Super expensive. When that's the role that allowed us to be here in the first place, Yeah. Shouldn't you get money back? Right, exactly. Shouldn't you get a rebate? Yeah, or at least a bed in a place that's really lovely. It's, and this is another thing about, like, you know, why I'm proud to root my reality and my role in it.

That's really, if I may interrupt, that is a great way to say it. Because to root your reality is really perfect because it is, it encompasses so much more than, you know, talking about being a, a pregnant woman in a comedy or you're, it's much bigger. To root your reality is really well phrased. Thank you. Yeah. It's, um, it's also helps me stay sane. Yeah.

You know, I grew up in like a, uh, mostly white suburb on Long Island. And I, and, um, not in the Jewish area in, like Italian, Irish and just white people. And I was, uh, you know, a minority as a Jew in where I grew up. And we always had this poll to the city, to the arts and to, we would see Broadway shows and like Tuesday nights for like half off for kids or something. I don't know. You know, like whatever. Yeah. And but I had so many questions, especially like having an education from my Hebrew school about Jews.

Right. And it was like, why are there only, why are they mostly white people here? That's not like white people don't grow on trees in Suffolk County. You know what I mean? And I just always had these questions that I've come to find the answers to and educated myself to understand. And man, do I feel, while the system is still fucked up, I feel at least like my feeder planted, knowing why. And that my suspicions aren't random, but valid. Were those suspicions instigated by your parents, or were you just a curious kid?

more just a curious more of a curious person who was like very um honestly like painfully observant right which i like that's that creative sensitivity like that's right and like in such a way where like i i i do so much therapy now and i'm like really practicing being and being present because i couldn't like lose myself even as a kid i was so like and you know that like comedian way of being prepared to not be, to meet, made fun of and be both okay with it, but also have like the funny thing to say and da-da-da. Yeah. And it's like, you know, it's also painful. Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting thing when I talk to comics and they start going to therapy. I don't. But I know their hesitation going in of the thing that made you funny was that was being ready.

angry and then it's like, well, if I find peace, am I going to lose my comedy? But invariably, it actually makes it grow. Yeah. It's actually deeper. Yep. It's like how in science, like a scientific discovery usually leads to a slight grasp of an understanding of how much you don't know. Uh-huh.

And that's like true of within. Right. And it's like you're not going to, don't worry, you're not going to solve it. Right. Don't worry. That's right. Don't worry. You won't find peace.

Yeah. That's right. until you die. No worries. Yeah, you're not going to zen out and ruin your comedy. No worries. You fucked up.

That's why you're here, you know? Yeah, that's why you've emerged. I used to be like, everyone needs therapy. But it was probably because I was uncomfortable with how much I needed it. Whereas now hearing that you don't go to therapy, I'm like, good for you.

Oh, really? You don't seem like you needed. Tell you the truth. You seem real, like, at peace. Yeah, pretty much. I think comedy, I think is. Yeah, your therapy. Yeah.

I think in a big way in writing and all that kind. You have like your little outlets or what have you. Do I know Josh? Do I know your co-writer? You better. He's the fucking best. Yeah? He's the fucking best.

Did you know Kevin Burnett? Yes. He was our mutual best friend who passed away on whom Claude is based and who a lot of this story is based because he was one of my best friends I've ever had. Wow. And Josh is too. so much about this movie between me and Michelle's character, Eden and Dawn, is about the partnership that friends have. And especially as the, you know, manufactured, uh, nuclear family can,

as capitalism is failing and those structures are losing their, you know, uh, there's no, nobody can buy a fucking house. Nobody can, um, nobody has health insurance. Like, that idea, of like one partner is growing and I think millennials and Gen Z are finding that one person can't be your everything that you have like that your friends provide some support and also conversely that you know I continue to be surprised at how my husband is my best friend like in a genuine way of beyond I love him so much also like checking out girls right throw in shade and people, you know what I mean? Like, like, like, really on point observations that could cut a bitch, you know?

Like, I love that about my husband's perspective. And it's like, you know, there's just these roles are more fluid. And Kevin inspired both the Claude character, but also that because he was such a great partner as a friend. Right. So anyway, he and Josh were like work husbands and writing partners. And they wrote a Broad City together. and yeah Josh did stand up too he's so funny he looks like he's a perfect marty

Mcfly for Halloween he's so perfect he's the best and his wife's fucking dope and it was so fun to write this like kind of you know Annie his wife works for fights for reproductive justice all day every day and it was so fun to like it was almost like my husband and David and Annie, Josh's wife, were included in the process because as we were writing Hassan Minhaj and Michelle Buto's relationship, reflecting on our own and being work husband and wife ourselves. It was like so fun to like have them included. And Josh is just, oh, he's so sensitive. And he can really, he's so, he's so good at writing for any kind of person. Right. Because he's like, he really listens. And.

Making him laugh is so rewarding. I love it. The actor who played your love interest was so. So good. Intoxicating, yeah. And so sweet. Yeah, you're falling in love with him at the same time. Stefan James.

He's really good. Truly like high caliber actor. Like, whoa. And he was, he was like had like unsure footing stepping into a comedy. And I was like, babe, we're knuckleheads, babe. You are an actor. Like he is such, this show is Julia Roberts and Barry Jenkins and incredible. And I think what was so cool about Stefan's performance is his, I think, releasing of performance and rather offering his true presence.

Doesn't he seem just like himself? I know. There's certain actors, you're like, they're hardly doing anything and they're doing so much. Yes, yes. He was so sweet. Yeah, it was really, really great. Yeah, you felt them throughout the whole movie. Right, right.

And that was really, that was so Kevin. We just were holding Kevin so close throughout the whole movie. That makes real sense. Yeah. All right, I'll ask it. I was reading this article by Thomas Friedman today. He was talking about the- God, I'm so uneducated.

It's like crazy. No, please. Who is that? Thomas Friedman from the New York Times. For sure, don't know him. Come on. I don't. I'm sorry.

I mean, I'm sure he's my cousin or some shit, but I don't know him. Yeah. As a Jewish American from Long Island, he should be your lighthouse. Don't tell him and cut this out. Thomas Friedman. Thomas Friedman. He's been writing about the Middle East forever. He's so brilliant and hopeful.

Oh, God. He's just great. Fuck. And he was talking about, when you were talking about, you know, when things are, We're creating these new families because people can't afford houses and stuff. And he was listing today a whole bunch of other structures that I'm going to stay where I am. I'll come to you. Thomas Friedman, let's clean this up.

Love him, one of my favorite writers. Yeah, you know all his work. Love him. You probably started the article, but I'll say it anyway. Yeah, and as a Jew from Long Island, obviously I know who he is. We're likely cousins. Probably. Okay.

He was talking about the thing that. that makes him nervous in this era that Trump has kind of spawned is it's not just that the economics are wonky of this system, but it's also that we're losing all of the pillars that would provide structure for society, religion, the economics of it all, morality in our leaders, all of these things that we, one time you could like put a kid into it and feel like you're going to be okay. And that to me is more, that to me was an upsetting little article because it's, it's on so many fronts. But you know, I mean, no offense to Thomas Friedman. I love him. One of my favorite writers. Yes. But I think it's a lack of imagination that is

resulting in a dead end and feeling, um, feeling hopeless and then spreading it outward and hoping it's true rather than an individual feeling. Okay. I think the organization of society so far has been manufactured and benefiting a few. But, you know, things have been slowly getting worse toward this industrialization of fucking everything, including prisons forever. And since the beginning of this country, but especially since World War II. We've got plastic in our oceans, the planet's burning, you know, okay, families, these pillars, I think, are for like a specific kind of society that what I'm hoping for is in this late stage capitalism period that is totally terrifying. And the foundation under my feet of the world as I know it, crumbling, scares me

too. But I also think perhaps something is being destroyed so a new world can be born. Right. That's the faith I keep holding out. And as I turn to leaders and writing from the abolitionist movement and the feminist movement, it's really like this system hasn't been working for most people. Look at how it was, look at how baby boomers all own all the houses. The prices are crazy. young people can't buy a house. Young people, there are no jobs. Like, no wonder everybody's got time to protest. There's no job prospects.

And AI is now coming for white-collar jobs. This is not working. Again, back to like rooting myself in the reality, like this system hasn't been working. And police brutality, for example, has been going on. And prisons have been imprisoning black and brown people at a disproportionate rate for weed crimes for decades. and gay people and trans people have been, you know, policed and overpolice. It's just like it's not even fuck it. Right.

I mean, fuck this fucking assembly of 300 million people. I think we can do better. Right. And I also, I'm sorry. I also men, Roxanne Gay, I once had this said this thing once where she, that just stuck with me forever. Men get to be experts and women have to cannibalize their experience. So this guy, one of my favorite writers, gets to be the expert on like, unfortunately, things are failing.

Well, girl, how about you are uncomfortable with your position faltering and wavering and potentially weakening? Right. Well, I think it is, and, you know, as you know, I'm paraphrasing your favorite writer. So I don't want you to be able to take all pot shots at him. but it is pretty it's a very interesting thing that you bring up because the an older guy he's approaching 70 the you're like well wait you you're you're you've taken all the pillars you've taken all of the structure out of the house we got to put the house back together it is a younger perspective and uh to change it and be like no we're going to let it fall and we're going to build up a

better house and it's going to make much more sense and it's going to be it's going to benefit a lot more people there's this great line in uh in uh this grateful dead song and i always hung on to even when i was younger and i'm like it makes so much sense now as i am getting older it's a and a rich man in this summer home says just leave well enough alone rich man in his summer home says just leave well enough alone you're like everything's cool don't and the young people are like you're like and the young people Well enough, meaning the way things are. The rich man in the summer home is like, yeah, yeah. I made it.

It's good. I'm making a margarita. It's like, this is all right. Yeah, no shit, bitch. What do you mean? You're going to protest. Stop it. I mean, when you look at the reactions to everybody protesting, it's a lot of people that are just

like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And it's like, order for what? Right. Like, why? Because I have a summer house. Right. And also, no offense to Thomas Friedman. I love him.

but also he's 70 he's more likely to die before I am he's less likely to be the leader of the culture soon and rather than turn to the young people and ask what what's the deal where are things at and what is a potential answer yeah clinging to that role of leading it's like, but you don't even know what we're talking about over here for the new world. Right, exactly. You don't even know. No, I know.

Because it isn't really, because it's undefined. It's kind of, and to defend Thomas Friedman, your favorite, which I know it needs no defending in your eyes. Not only incredible writer, but gorgeous. He's a very handsome man. Gorgeous, 70? The thrust of the article was how much has been damaged by Trump and this. Which I appreciate. This destroying of little guardrails and stuff.

Just in a social aspect and a political aspect that has really led to it being. So he's not completely out of touch. Not at all. Like, I don't even think so. And I actually can understand that he, that in his role, his age does afford wisdom and does afford time. Right. He holds more time. Yeah.

And I, you know, I call that person Donald. Duck, that former president. You do? So Donald, yeah, I can't even have his name in my mouth. I know. So Donald Duck also exposed. These little guardrails, I don't want Donald Duck to be president again. I didn't want him to be president in the first place.

However, he exposed things, I think, to a majority of people, a mainstream culture, a white majority, a middle of the road. You know, what is it? it like a moderate white majority to polarizing us to choose either side. Right. And while I want the guardrails up because I think he's so dangerous and so violent and opens the door to so much immediate violence for all people on the whole fucking planet, while that's true and the most urgent thing, I also think these little guardrails, like

if they're taken down, then hopefully. that middle of the bell curve, majority of people can come in and hold what is happening and do the minimum it takes to make it as safe as it can be for most people. Well said. I wish you were smarter. When I was watching my daughter graduate... When I was watching my daughter graduate, I cry at graduations. I had my niece's graduation too.

I cry at graduations just because it's so... Oh my God. Even like when it's not your kid. Fuck. Just seeing these young, bright, fuck. Smart. They were like giving out awards like the day before they think.

What these kids were studying like in biology and chemistry in the arts and it was just like, your brains held all that information. They're so smart. Right and smart. It's like just so brilliant. Just get out there. Go do it. They're so brilliant.

And like again, our society could be organized around protecting young minds. Yeah. We could make 22 year olds the leaders. They've had. Can you imagine if when you went to school, I was fifth grade, I was in fifth grade when Columbine happened. Uh-huh. So I was, uh, whatever. I was, um, in the context of having mass shootings in school for the majority of my schooling.

However, it wasn't as cockamamie fucking facocta as it is now. I mean, it makes no damn sense. It's, all I can do is laugh a little bit and organize and all that shit, but it's just so unbelievably. Yeah. nightmarish, twisted. So twisted. These people have survived. School where every day they could be shot up.

They've survived something we haven't survived. No offense, but you certainly haven't. Yeah. Shouldn't we be listening to them? They've survived the most. We have the most sick planet, the least clean water available. The da-da-da-da. Yeah.

Like, shouldn't we be organized around them? I know. And the older generation wants to hold on to that position of leadership. Why? Don't you want to chill out? Yeah. That's the thing also about like. Well.

What? They are chilling out. They're chilling out with power in these roles. But like don't you want to step aside? Like aren't you sick of yourself? Yeah. Aren't you fucking sick of yourself? We are.

You would think. We're sick of you. I'm sick of me. I'm doing this press tour for like, I mean, a month, three weeks. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. enough. All right. How was being on tour? It was cool to see you for the last several months posting your tour. It was very cool to see. Thank you. I don't remember you going out like heavily. I, I, this was, I think, the fifth time I went on tour. Abby and I did one. How is Abby? She's good. Yeah. She's so good. I adore her. Yeah, she's really, never met her. She's really good. You've got good taste. Yeah. She's adorable. Yeah. Um, yeah, she's, she's, that's good. Has peace.

Yeah, that's great. Um, but this was, I think the fourth or fifth time that I, I've gone on tour. And it was so excellent on a personal level. I have never taken so much pleasure. Uh-huh. On the road, as I have this time, I started in June, 2023. Okay. Finished May, 23, finished May 3rd.

and we did 52 shows. Right. My tour manager, Madeline Kim, sitting over here. Incredible. 30 under 30 on a personal level. She's my 30 under 30. And because I'm a mom and because I have a little one, I was like, I can only be away two nights a week.

Sorry, that's my rule. Yeah. And it turns out nobody cares. They're fully down to do whatever the thing is that I want to do. And I didn't want to do weekends either because we sort of melt into a puddle on weekends. and then re-ravel for the week. And I'm like, this is going to destroy my marriage and my parenting relationship. And my husband was like, what if you did like, because I would do, I would do some workout shows just like in the tri-state area on Tuesdays.

And then I did some Thursdays. And he was like, why don't you just keep it at that? Yeah. And because I'm a parent, I had these boundaries up to do it the way that it works for me. But I could have done that before. Yeah. I only had that self-possession once I had a kid. Yeah.

And it fucking ruled. That's so great. I was out Thursday, Fridays, and I would do that two weeks in a row in the third week and take off reset. And it was fucking dope. It's so stupid. It's so stupid. It's so stupid.

I've been doing it for 30 years and never thought of it. I know. I never thought of it either. And David was like, wait, why don't we? And I'm like, you know, you're so brilliant. You thought of another day of the week? It's not even that. But it's that we're so focused.

on the way things have been fed to us that we can't see around it. And I was so happy to be there with the people because I wasn't going to be, I wasn't, you know, feeling resentment and this and that because I miss my family. I was like, this rules. I'm happy to be with you.

And then I go home and I'm happy to be with you. Yeah, that's great. And so, you know, 52 shows took 11 months. And I also had some big chunks over the holidays, December, January, and just like a few weeks off, like from summer and to fall, you know, some chunks of time. But man, was it awesome. I can't wait to get out again because I had such a good experience.

Did you film it? Yeah. You did? Yeah. Yeah. filmed it in Toronto. Oh, nice. It was so fun.

Massey. Elgin and Winter Garden. Yeah. It's a great place. It was, I feel so blessed and grateful for the whole tour. Yeah. And for that experience, I couldn't. it was transformative.

Oh, it's amazing. Yeah. That's great. Really? That is a huge thing. Yeah. I remember Maria Bamford doing that early on,

where she was just like, I'm just going to go out on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and whoever shows up, shows up. And they showed up. Yeah. You know, and it was pretty brilliant. Yeah. She's organized your own mental health. She's so great. In a way that, yeah, she's incredible.

One of my early heroes. Yeah. Being a kid watching Comedy Central, you know, watching you guys and like getting to talk to you now, it's like, damn. Comedy's fucking cool. Yeah, it's so cool because that's my perspective is watching you and now I get to talk to you. It's like, that's what I love about comedy. I love it so good. People are like, what do you want to do next?

I'm like the exact same thing again. Was it hard to get a big proper movie up and running? We didn't have. It's a whole other gear. We didn't have, we had a miraculously speedy process. Yeah. Because the wonderful film nation and range media invested in this movie. So we started writing a movie in January 2021 and we got it greenlit by January

2022. Wow. Pretty unheard of. Yeah. But because we weren't going through the studio system. Right. And like. Did you go to the studios at first?

We sent it out wide. You did? Yeah. And I don't even know if they wanted it. Or did we send it out just to reps, actually, in production companies? I think we did that. Yeah. Yes, we did that because we wanted to make it.

We wanted to try to make it. Yeah. And if you get into the studio system, it's a system in which most movies are not made. So we didn't send it that way. And I'm so glad we did it this way. And this was Susie Fox's instincts. And it was the best. You know, Josh kept saying that, like, no matter what, right before the movie came out,

no matter what happens. Like, we made a movie. We made something good that we're proud of that we love and nothing gets made. Yeah. No, exactly. And comedies. Yeah. It's, um, yeah.

So, so that was really, uh, that was really, uh, a privilege and a lucky thing. That's so great. I mean, it's such a huge undertaking. It's such a, it's such a big lift. It was so crazy. Was it a, what was it like writing it knowing you're going to be in it and then handing it off? I mean, you had a great director, but handing it off to her, do you have to step away a little bit? Do you have to kind of like, now I'm going to just be the actor?

Well, I produced it to. Susie and Josh and I, like, I didn't really step away exactly. Like, I were just involved in all the conversations every day. Right. So you're more like partners with her than. Yeah. But, you know, Pamela Adlon, who doesn't. directed this movie. Her feature directorial debut, um, she's so used to having a tribe of

creatives, you know, around her and with her. And she's, um, a mother of three. She knows what it's like to like work with people. Right. Yeah. And, um, her, like, the texture that she gave this movie. And I'm just remembering like in prep, you know, like that I stepped away. I didn't like location scout and stuff. And like the way she, you know, pick places with like a special, a special, a special sparkle to them was really, it was so, she was just coming off five seasons of better things, which was such an amazing show and like, so musical and so colorful and so textured. You felt that style in this. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She really has that rock star energy. Yeah. That we got in our movie something classic in a little 70s, you know? Yeah. So cool.

And like I, Josh and I are born, I think Josh is 87, but like born in the 80s, but like, real kids in the 90s. And like, Pamela, as a kid in the 70s, you could feel that. I don't know, you could just feel it. And so, yeah, I mean, I'm really involved. But the acting, I worked with my friend Aaron Himmelsstein, who's a really talented acting coach. And to, like, do this process of separating myself from the script and have it be like,

the material was really like, oh my gosh, like felt like a privilege, too. Like this privilege of self-actualization of, um, kind of looking, reflecting on my work and finding the unconscious meaning in it. Uh-huh. To hear what somebody else thinks, which I always, I find such a privilege that anybody gives a shit to see or hear what I have to say or make. Yeah. And then to get feedback is like, it's such a privilege because it's like, then I hear like,

oh yeah, I guess that was kind of the sense I had when I was putting it out there, but I didn't realize it at the time. Wait, well, getting the feedback when? Like, well, I mean, even now with the movie out, but with Aaron Himmleston, in him saying about the script. Well, you know, for example, my scene with Oliver Platt, who plays my father. Yeah, it was so great to see.

It was such a great moment because I'm like, oh, who's going to be the dad? And then he walks out and he's like, oh, it's so great. He's so just that conversation. He's just so natural. Heavy. Like, he has such a heft on screen. And speaking of age,

he just brings, like, age and wisdom and perspective. Yeah. And he's just so New York. I actually used to, I nannied for a family for a long time. And when I would pick their kids up at Grace Church School, Oliver's kids were there too. And I would see him as we'd be like all waiting. And I'd be like, oh my God, this fucking Oliver Platt. Shit, that's Oliver Platt.

Fuck, oh, my God. And then suddenly I'm acting with him and telling him about watching him in Grace Church School. It was really cool. It's so cool. And he's just so New York and has all these layers. And so for Aaron to be looking at this script and being like, well, this is why Eden, my character needs Dawn to mother her because she didn't have a mother. We know that. Her mother's past.

But her father, we see her mothering him here. And I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Like, I did mean that. You're right. Yeah. But also, I didn't realize that. Yeah.

You know, so that experience was so cool. Yeah. Such a privilege. It's a cool thing now that seemed kind of. kind of alerted me to something I think that is kind of common now which I don't think it was earlier

in comedies at least that there's no like we don't there's no fixing him there's no fix like there's no there's an acceptance now now that we're talking about

all this stuff and it's like we're not just brushing things but there's just this an acceptance that there are people like that or just he's just going to be that it's kind of cool. Yeah.

You're right. There used to be a denial. And even like the idea of like sex in the city and that, and that era of dating shows. And from a woman's perspective or supposedly a woman's perspective of fixing a man, it's just like so sad. Yeah. Not only is it like, girl, you're not, you're not going to do that. You're not going to fix. But also it's like that man has to be fixed.

It's so sad. I know. But there is this instinct. My wife talks about it all the time. and she would start out as a waitress at the comic strip. And she talks about when the comic would be up there like, oh, you know, I just can't get a girl. And all the girls would just kind of lean in like,

I can fix you. I got you. There is that instinct that's just hardwired. Yep. And that's what I, when I tell my daughters, it's like any inkling of a guy asking that from you, get out. And you know what it's also like, you know what it's also making me think of it being like personhood and women weren't fully afforded personhood and this is their way to gain it by

helping a man fulfill his. Whereas like my husband and I are like so therapy focused and so like focused on self actualizing and just being at peace that it's like we do it together. Yeah. And it's like women, I don't know. Then the next step was women being like, I'm not fixing a man. So what do I do now? Like there It wasn't even, and it's like, girl, you need to be fixed. You need to be healed. You should go get pleasure. But like, yeah, I'm so glad I wasn't. Yeah.

I'm so glad I'm the age I am now. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No offense. But just seemed like tough to date during that period. Violent for both sides. I know.

It's so complicated. I know just watching my girls like start to figure it out. What's that like? They seem healthy. They seem, you know, they're going to. They've been in some things that, you know, didn't work out. But, you just, you know, everyone's got to go through it, you know. It's kind of like my daughter, like, coming to New York and, like, starting her career.

And my wife's, like, and which my wife and I both did, we lived on $5 a day here in New York, like, starting out. And, but then when you watch your kid do it, it's just like, ah, it's the same thing with dating. It's like, oh, but you can't, you can't tell them mistakes. But they clearly, your girls clearly have such a strong base to return to. that they're not going to get too abused. Yeah. Which is really the most you can give a kid. Yeah.

Yeah. No, that's really right. You're right about coming to New York in the summer. It's like I always, when I was here, I would always be like. You got to do it. I loved when everybody would leave. Everyone starts dumping out to the Hamptons and dumping out. You're just like, oh, this is so great.

Yeah. It's so fun and kinetic and there's so much energy. And everybody's checking everybody out. It's like so fun. My husband and I met in Washington Square Park. Oh, you did? On a hot, horny summer day. No.

Just check me each other out. Just check me each other out. Really? Yeah, it's just such a good vibe. Who said, who said hi first? We like just looked at each other and we were like, it was like so immediate. Amazing.

And then it was very mutual. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. But it was really mutual. It really was. Yeah. It was like, it was cool. But like,

We both were like, you know, everybody was out for the same thing, you know? It's amazing. It's so fun. I hear you about wanting to be with your kids, but maybe you guys can like pop out here. No, 100%. Yeah. My wife's teaching now. Where?

In L.A. Taking here more kids? Come on. I know. Teaching what? Fifth grade. Oh, that's so sweet. Oh, so she's off for the summer, though.

She is off for the summer. Cynthia. Yeah. So we can do whatever we want. Yeah. So dope. Yeah. I think it's like cool too to be like, sorry to your kids.

Like we're busy. That's nice. I know. I was thinking about that. Yeah, because we're going to do a couple things. And it's, we're looking at the calendar. And it was like, oh yeah, we're just going to leave the girls and just go. So cool.

Yeah, that is. That is cool. And it's cool for them to have the house and be trusted with it. And they're not going to fuck shit up too much. I know. Not too much. It's so funny. Now that every house comes with those ring doorbells, those cameras, it's so funny watching

them come back into the house. Gosh, you know what Pamela had that scared the shit out of me? She has her like speedometer of her girl's car. No. As an app. And I was like, and they're going 90. And I was like, girl, ground her. That is so scary.

I don't know how she. And she's like, you know, and if you watch her show, you definitely know she's like, You got to let kids through what they go through in a very wise way. But I'm like, not that. Oh. Not that. You know what I mean? I know.

I know. I just got a ticket on my desk for my daughter in New York. It was like going 80. On your desk? Yeah, it came to my house. Oh. And I was like, you got to. 80?

I'm like speeding? Yeah, 80. Driving in New York? In New York State. She went to school and. Bikipsey. Where? Vassar?

Yes. Did you go there? No. Thomas Friedman did. No. Oh, I brought you this. Usually in L.A., I would bake you bread. I bake a ton of bread.

Oh, my gosh. And because I'm not in Los Angeles. Awesome. It's a country loaf from Basuvio. Oh, it's gorgeous. You're so sweet. I'm just going to look at it. Yeah.

Take it home. Give it to your family. I'm going to smell it. Yeah. Oh, yummy. I know. They're good stuff. Thank you.

much. You're so welcome. Oh my God. Is that noisy? Let me just for the everybody wants. Yeah. They love that. Like that, Mike?

And they love chewing. Good job. Oh, that is so sweet and. Before you go, because I don't want you to leave without saying it also. Michelle was fantastic. I mean, the thing that, like I said, it hooked me early. It was your love affair with her. Yes.

That really was so good. Watching her evolve. I've talked to her on my radio show in the beginning with her stand-up and stuff. She's really coming into like another level. We are so lucky to be a part of Michelle Buteau's moment. Yeah. She is blossoming. She really is. She is mother.

She is, as you remember from the scene in the movie. Yeah. I'm just improvving there. Like, she's the sun. She is a sun. She is sunshine. She is filled with light. She is luminous.

She is magnetic. She is so funny. Yeah. And we were talking about all these like super famous successful actresses who I totally admire. But it was just feeling so contrived as a process. Yeah. And when Susie and Josh and I took a step back and took a beat, I like woke up in the middle of night like Michelle Buto. Buto.

Michelle, obsessed. She is so busy. She is so busy. Begged her. And once she could see it, she was like, ah, fuck, I do have to do. this. She is incredible. She is such a good actor. She is, as she says, funny as long, but her acting, she's so good and so real, so funny, real. It is, I am privileged to have her in this movie, but to have gotten to play with her. Yeah. The labor. Can I tell you? Can I tell you?

She's so busy. We got her in three weeks. For real? 15 business days. No. And the whole movie was 25 business days. Whoa. That's amazing. She, gave that heft of a performance in 15 businesses. She's. Well, she knew what she, she obviously knew what she wanted to do. Because it's, it's in every single scene. Yeah. I love when you are in your yoga studio and you, you're checking your message, that reaction when you're checking your message. So great. You have such good little moves. Thank you. You've such good little comedy moves that are so you. Thank you. Really, really great. So congratulations. You made it. You did it. Thanks, brother. Yeah. And really nice to spend the time with you. You too. What a pleasure and a privilege this conversation has been. What are you going to do the rest of the day? I have one more little podcast. Nice. And it's so nice out. We're asking our, I need to stay an extra hour so my husband and I can have a little drink. Nice. What will the drink be? I'm going to get a phony-negroni. I'm like not drinking and I'm, I'm,

much happier. And I think, oh, yeah. Yeah. So just that, just to like spend a little hour. Yeah, that's great. Oh, look at what Mike pulled out. And noble, totally a word. And I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, bothering me the whole day. I wasn't questioning as though I didn't believe you. I was asking, what does that mean? It means lend greater dignity or nobility of character to. Oh, my gosh. That's what you do in everything. Thank you. That's, that's a much better, that's much better than enabling. I love that there's such a similar option. I've been playing Spelling Bee on my phone, you know, the New York Times spelling bee. It's a little...

I get it, but I don't know it. It's like a word jumble. Like there's seven letters and you've got to make words. Yeah. The whole time has since then. And as I'm trying to pay attention to you, I was thinking, would a noble be a word or would it say it's not a word? Right. And what's interesting about a nobles is it doesn't sound like it's so long, but it's seven letters.

Yeah, which is good. That would be big points. Yeah. Nice. What's the analog version of that where you like... A boggle. Boggle. Yeah.

I always love a boggle. Thanks for having me. This is so dope. Thanks for being here. Truly. Thanks. Let's do it again. Yeah. Thank you, Mikey.

Thanks, brother.