Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 233 - Roy Wood Jr.

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Roy Wood Jr. takes a break from “Have I Got News for You” on CNN to stop by and break some bread with Tom Papa. In the true breaking bread spirit, Roy and Tom talk about how baking is the ultimate act of love… even when the baked goods come from a total stranger’s kitchen. The pair talk about women, families, good cigars, and how to steer clear of “spiritual experiences” that might be too intense. Roy talks about his dad, Roy Wood Sr., and his lasting impact on American civil rights and journalism. Roy speaks on his experience leaving The Daily Show and the pair discuss the state of politics in comedy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's like, what was it, Gabe Oglacius? What are my fuckers bringing cakes? Yeah. When I started baking, people started to know me for bread, people would bring me baked goods. And my wife's like, my wife's like, you don't eat that, right? When strangers come up and give you bake goods, you don't eat that. I'm like, no.

It should be backstage. I eat all of it. Demolishing that shit. It's breaking bread. Thank you. I would have been. I baked you bread if we were in Los Angeles. What kind of bread?

I bake sourdough bread. Okay, that's... Beautiful, luxurious, delicious sourdough bread. Bacon, motherfuckers be baking shit and don't ask you your preferences. I was on a road with last comic standing tour. Uh-huh. This is 2010. Yeah.

It's me, Tommy Johnigan, Mike Kaplan, Felipe Esparsa, and Mike Dista Fon. all rest of peace and Kaplan, because he's a vegan, there's something about vegan comics where when motherfuckins know that you're a vegan, the fans bring you shit.

It's the same as the weed comics like Mark Marin. I think people bring I don't think Maron's a vegan, but he's definitely, he has baking fans. Marind does? Yeah, Marin I saw a bunch of eyes in Austin. He just had like a handful of fucking

cookies in Ziplocs. Vegans were bringing Kaplan these cookies and like, fuck your allergies. I know nothing about you. I'm just going to make you. And it's the ultimate act of love. Yeah. Food preparation next to 69. But it's

a kind gesture. It's like, who's it, Gabe Iglesias? What are my fuckers bring him cakes? Yeah. When I started baking, people started to know me for bread, people would bring me bake goods. And my wife's like, my wife's like, you don't eat that, right?

When strangers come up and give you bake good, you don't eat that. I'm like, no. It should be backstage. I eat all of it. Demolishing that shit. It's the same thing with shrooms. I mentioned shrooms once or twice on a podcast. I don't know.

It must have been like three years ago. Uh-huh. And every now and then a random person after a show, like, just hand me a bag of shrooms. What the fuck do you think I'm going to do with this on a Thursday in Seattle? by myself in a day's in. Yeah, like, shrooms is a whole shift. Like, you have to block out a whole day for that. And I'm not traveling with it, like, in my mind.

And that's the, that's the, I think it should be the mind of any responsible person, but it's especially for me, like, just in the eyes as a black man, I just, there's a shroom dog. And they go, old man, they ain't got no dog for shroom. Not yet, that you know of. And that's what the government wants you to think. Yeah. And it's always in the smaller market airports that they have. Yeah.

And I'll always be the dumbass who has shrooms on him from a person I don't know and I didn't even do them. And then here comes the fucking shroom narcotic dog. I don't get the bomb dog or the weed dog. I get this fucking psilocybin fucking dog. So I just, I don't, so I stopped talking about shrooms. Yeah. Except for now. I stopped talking about drugs on podcasts.

Right. the idea of even mentioning shroom, like, I don't do weed. I don't, like, I drink a little, but I've never done anything else. And like, shroom fans want me to try there. And they mean well, like, they grew it themselves. It's the same as baking, right, essentially. I had a woman in Arizona who there's that, there's that drug that you get off of frogs that you, there's like a, they secrete something and then they take it off and they distill it into like a flake. and that stuff is supposed to make you like ayahuasca transport.

And she came up in a little baggie and gave it to me. And it was like she was like a priest giving me communion. She was like, this is for you. And I was like, DMT. DMT, thank you. And I was like, same thing. I'm like, I'm alone in this kind of sad hotel. I don't think this is the place to blast off with DMT.

And then my wife was like, you do not get on the plane with that. Stanhope did it. But Doug Standup did a bit about DMT, and he said it's the same chemical that, supposedly it's the same chemical that releases in your brain when you die or when you're close to death. So DMT is like some super portal type of shit that'll send you to another place.

Would you do it? No. I think that that stuff has the potential to rewire you. It's like when salt water gets in electronics, and then it dries, and they like, electronic still works, but it's a little different. Yeah. It's a little wonky in a way.

And I'm like, yeah, ayahuasca. Everyone's into ayahuasca in L.A. I did. So, ayahuasca is supposed to be a two-day. At least the guy that I was introduced to it or whatever. This is a couple years ago. It's supposed to be a two-day thing. I bailed after the first day.

It was too much. I'm thankful that I'm back on earth with my shit together. Yeah. Still. It got scary. Yeah, because it, like, it's not like, it's like if you're in search of something, what are you in search of, like, on some mental shit? Like, what are you trying to mine or emotionally excavate and fix or repair or get an answer

to? And then when you're on that journey, I have to be careful about the words I use with Iowa. because the ayahuasca people get old. You can't call it a drug. It is a medicine and it is natural. And how dare you say it is a high? It's not a high. Oh, boy.

You're traveling, whatever the, you're in a safe space. You could say whatever the fuck it was, bro. It gives you answers to questions you didn't even know you needed to be asking about yourself. And then it's questions that you weren't even prepared to be asked. Oh, boy. Answer. And I just wanted to giggle. You know, you wanted to giggle.

Yeah. No. It opened up a lot of stuff, man. And, you know, but I can't sit as some proud proponent of it because it's, when you're getting into psychedelics, man, that shit is like hot sauce on some, what is your level of tolerance for that journey? And also what is, are you even prepared on some trauma shit to, even walk back out into the real world

with that question rattling around in your brain for the rest of your life. And so you can go into it going, oh man, should I stay with that girl or should I leave the daily show? I'm not having a good time anymore. Should I leave the daily show?

Hey man, your father was in search of love and that's why he cheated on your mom. It wasn't because he didn't love. your mom he didn't know how to manifest love in a way that could show you how to seek love properly and that's why you're asking yourself questions about women is because you can't properly identify what love looks like because you never show you were never shown love in a proper manner and the only way you saw love in a proper manner was when your father was with the woman he was cheating on your mom with so now the only way for you to look at love is to take a long look at the relationship

that essentially destroyed your upbringing and look at the good parts of it and take that and distill that into your son and make sure that any woman that you're with now, even if it's not your son's mother, even if it's not somebody else down the road, you need to make sure that the elements of that relationship possess some of the positive things of what you saw from your father and the side chick. And you're like, I'm not coming back tomorrow. And that's day one. I'm good. Yeah. I just wanted to know whether or not I should, which woman I should date and should I keep this job. Right. And you've hit me with a nuclear bomb of self-realization that...

It sounds kind of cool, though. I mean, it sounds kind of... Like, if you weren't looking for it... It depends on what your trauma is, bro, because the ayahuasca going to find that shit and yank it up out of you. Right. So I love... Like, I'm...

I have my son. Co-parenting situation, right? Uh-huh. So the idea then becomes, all right, well, he needs to see love. Mm-hmm. And that's the only thing I left with is that my son needs to see love. Right. So, and it's not just me with woman.

You see me with woman. This is how you treat woman. But it's also in how I treat my mother around him. It's my approach to my work. You need to see me love my work. You need to see me, even though we are co-parenting, I still love your mama. And there is still a lot of dynamics within that. That should exude respect and honor at all times.

So it can change how you. So when I left the Daily Show, I took my son with me to clean out my office on some say goodbye shit. Like he's been up there once or twice. He doesn't understand the magnitude of a parent leaving a job. Yeah. But I know in about 25 years,

he's going to go find that file, beat down in the archives of his brain. When he's on ayahuasca. Hopefully. when he's pondering, leaving a fucking job, Tom. That's the hope. And then he'll go, oh, wow, no, it's okay to make a change. And then I also took him to the first day of rehearsals at CNN.

Oh, nice. And, you know, to understand, he needs to know what I do. He needs to know I love what I do. He needs to see love. So when strangers speak to me on the sidewalk, show love. love like when I'm and teaching him how to walk with an air of respect and honor for people but also keeping an eye out for the assholes but sure my point is you you cannot it like you're going in asking a dumb relationship question or some dumb job question and then iowaska's going to go

no no no no yeah let me show you motherfucker what you need to be thinking about and you think about this it's going to answer the rest of those questions. That's pretty positive. For me. Yeah. It sounds like it changed your life. Yeah, but it's not, but I'm not giving a full-blown endorsement because I also would not do it again because I don't know what else.

How do I know I was only at the edge of the sea shelf and then there's a Marinara's trench of fucking emotions that I never dove into? Well, that's the part that turns me off whenever I think about doing it. It's the two things are that you, or the three things, you cry. You throw up a lot. And you're in a group. Or shit. Or shit.

I shat a lot. You don't, not everybody vomit. Some people just, you just take your shit. Right in your pants? No, don't. There's a toilet. They let you use a toilet. There's a line, so you got to time it, right?

Oh, geez. Oh, man. Yeah, these things. And, yeah, the group part of it, I don't like group activities. See, that's the part I liked about it, is that you're protected in a sense. Because if you're all. an emotional journey, the atmosphere around you can also dictate a lot of how you go into that. Like with shrooms, if you start a shroom trip in a bad mood, you're probably going to have

a lot of negative emotions and negative manifestations. Whereas even if you're kind of going down that road of thinking about something sad, then you look across the room and your friend is licking the television, you're out of your shit. You're not going to go down into your trench. you're going to come over here and go, well, how does it taste? How does electricity taste? And now there's a 20-minute pontification about stuff like that. Yeah.

I feel static on my tongue. Yeah. So instead of you being alone in a hotel room and really going into a weird place. Right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like there's other human beings. Like I made the mistake one time.

and I've probably only done this was like maybe 10 years ago I was still living in L.A. And I had a group of friends who would get together like once or twice a year. And we would do shrooms and I remember one time going in the bathroom

I had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the trip. Went to the bathroom close the door I pee and then I can hear everybody on the other side of the door and I started crying because I started thinking,

what if death is not a, what if you don't leave Earth when you die? What if you remain on Earth and you have to hear the people you love continuing on in life without you? Oh. And you live adjacent to them. You can't reach them.

They can't hear you. You're Matthew McConaughey. Right. Interstellar yelling through the bookshelf. Right. And I'm like, that's terrible. Send me to heaven or hell, bro. Yeah.

I don't want to just. It sounds like purgatory. Imagine just hanging around. Mm-hmm. Just lurking on. It's basically what if death is just a permanent live stream. Yeah. Of everybody else's existence on this planet.

That's what ghosts are. That's why ghosts are always moaning. I guess. Because they're so unhappy. I don't know. They're stuck in that space. I don't know, man. But then I came out that.

bathroom and then motherfuckers was counting the blade to grass on the TV. We were watching World Cup soccer. Yeah. We paused the TV to see if you got it. And now I'm out of it. Yeah. So you're not dealing with it. One time I was on mushrooms and I looked at myself in the mirror at college. And I was like, I think my nose is like a little piggy nose. I think I have a pig nose. And I start looking at it. And I'm like, No, it's definitely a pig nose. And once you look in the mirror, you're really screwed on my... Yeah. And I was convinced when I left that I was pork.

Yeah, everything's running and moving. Everything's constantly emotional. It was like a kaleidoscopic image of your face. Yeah. Yeah, but it's not something that, you know... I don't know, it's weird. I've also never smoked weed or done edibles or anything like that. Oh, really?

I just smoked my first... cigar a month ago. I just lost cigars. I did an event the other night. I'm sorry to do it hurt, but I did this private event, and the guy gave me four beautiful Cuban cigars, and he had this guy wrapped them up for me, and I left him in the car when they dropped me off at the hotel, and I called the guy, and he was like, nope, don't see them. I'm like, oh, man.

You have my cigars. They were beautiful. Yeah, I've never, I get it. I drink whiskey. I'm a whiskey and a Scotch guy. So I understand the pairing of the two. The only thing that got me into it, I started doing like the smoky old fat. You know, when they bring you the drink with smoke hickory already in the glass swirling. And I was like, ooh, I like the taste of that.

And then they go, you never inhaled the sugar. I have a death, deathly fear of tobacco. You do? Yeah, that's part of why I never smoked weeds because everybody I knew. This is in college. Everybody I know who smoked weed also smoked black and miles and or also smoked cigarettes. Right.

And to me, Black and Miles and Cigarillos, like those are like the malt liquor of the cigar. They're like in a weird land between cigarette. You know. It's not Scotch, but it's also not Mad Dog 2020, but it's like somewhere. Yeah. So I don't know.

My pops died of cancer. He did. when I was 16. And so... When you were 16? Yeah. So I think there's a... There's a thing with cancer in this country where I feel like...

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20 pounds. But cancer, it's just all peaceful. It's just kind. And it's just, you're right. It's just, oh, he died peacefully with his surrounded by family. Just went to sleep. And cancer on TV and cancer and movies, it's all people fucking, it's Forrest Gump and his mama. Yeah.

Mama called the cancer. She's just whispering softly, I promise you, that is not what the fuck. The last month of cancer looks like. Oh, man. It is horrific. And it is painful to see. and to witness and and you know my pops at prostate cancer so you know that could have been diets fda fuckery or it's just the look of the draw of genetics yeah if you knew what the last month

of cancer looked like we would all be more less prone to doing things that are cancerous right in theory it's a weird thing i've never thought of that it really they do make it feel like it's a the diseases that are marketed to properly scare us, we react differently in the spirit of prevention and we hold the medical companies far more accountable. Whereas cancer, it's like, oh, yeah, they're working on it. Oh, it was a cancer benefit. Oh, so-and-so died of cancer.

Yeah, he was peaceful in his home, surrounded by his loved ones. Versus the Ebola's coming, the bird flu's coming. Even COVID. Yeah. Even COVID. They showed you stacks of bodies. outset the mortuary's fool, motherfucker. You better get the shot.

And we were far more proactive, and we were far more in the spirit of prevention, and we were far more in holding companies accountable. And we put the fucking foot to the neck of pharmacy companies to go, hey, y'all need to fix this shit. Now. You know, it's the old Chris Rock joke. They're not going to fix cancer.

They're not going to cure it because the money's in the medicine. Right. So, yeah, I don't smoke, but I still treat. drink alcohol and eat hot dogs, which also supposedly cancer. I'm a fucking hypocrite. But you limit it. But the connection of tobacco and I had a grandmother who died of emphysema, like she smoked.

So it's just... Yeah. Did you have... Your father was into civil rights and a broadcaster. Yeah, he was a radio journalist who covered black injustices across the globe. And he embedded with black people in very terrible places and on very terrible times.

and then wrote about it, and then went back on the radio in Chicago and tell the stories every week. And you were pretty acutely aware of that? Because, I mean, here we are today. You're on CNN, and you have this, you've really developed this beautiful voice in comedy and politics. I am a man with opinions. Yes, you are.

But I don't think I had those opinions until, like, my 30s. And then, like, that's when I kind of probably fully morphed into a funnier version of my dad. Do you think it was, were you inspired by his journey? Or was it genetic? I think it's genetic. You do. I think it's genetic.

You know, I got two little brothers that they're far more pro-black and proactive than me. You know, I got a little brother that's deep into, you know, prison reform and trying to change, you know, state of Alabama from the inside. I have another brother who is part of a mentoring program for, you know, 12. to 17-year-olds, which is where most black kids get shot and really fall off the wagon. Yeah. Fall off society's wagon is in that age range. I got two older brothers who are deep into journalism. But, you know, my pops, my pops wasn't funny.

It was just very, no nonsense. Yeah. And this is what's happening. This is what they're doing to us. And if y'all ain't careful, it's going to happen again. Here's weather. Right. Yeah.

Like, that was his thing. But the year before he died, I used to do, I got my learners permit. And so I would ride around with my pops. I would drive into his speaking engagements. So that's kind of how I learned to drive. I was driving my dad to shit. Right. And so, you know, some days he go and speak to church.

And then some days he go speak at a college or something like that. So I get to see it, you know, up close and personal. Right. I made Trist. So it had to have some effect on. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, the idea of keeping one eye open and recognizing that this country doesn't necessarily

have the best interest in mind of all as citizens. I've always carried. How to put that on stage took a long time. Right. Probably 15 years. It's like 15 years before I really started talking about race in any real way. I remember the first attempt at it,

shit, this is 03, give or take. at the time, it was at the peak of this white girl from a Birmingham suburb, actually, where I'm from. Natalie Holloway. Like, everybody, like, that was the missing white woman of the moment. Right, I remember. Class trip to Aruba. Right. Yorne Vandersluet was accused of kidnapping her, blah, blah, blah.

To this day, they've never found the body. So there was a big firm. in black America about how America can get caught up in the missing good-looking white woman. With respect to Natalie Holloway, okay, fine, she's missing, let's find her. But also there's all of these other fucking missing folks over here that we never talk about.

And so, like a Houston, Tamika Huston, forgive me for not remembering the name, Salad. It's been 20 years, but there was a black woman who was missing by that name at that time. And I went on Comic View and basically did a kind of a but-a-what-about-ism, what-about-ism kind of bit about, yeah, we're looking for her, but we're not looking for this woman. Right.

And I can't remember the premise like it. Every black person needs a picture themselves as a white person. Uh-huh. So that people will come look for, I can't remember the premise of it. But I did that joke and BET edited it out. It did not make air. Really? But when I go back and look at it now with a 20-year lens, it was just anger.

Mm-hmm. There was no real punchlines. It was just anger and just yelling and preaching. And no nobody wanted to hear that shit. Right. Yeah, I make this shit funny. This is a different. Yeah, a spoonful of sugar.

And keep in mind, I started stand up when I was 19. So I probably did that joke when I was like 24, 25. Yeah. I am too young to be believed to be that angry by a 40-year-old audience. Yeah. So the idea of me even trying to be woke is not going to be digestible because the presumed experience, you will presume that I do not have enough life experiences to even swim in those borders.

So just do the jokes about Kobe Bryant, Colorado charges and get off the stage. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what I was watching your correspondence dinner. It really, it's, it was, it really struck me that you're in this really sweet spot, that you've developed your craft, where you're able to deliver really heavy, complicated issues in succinct jokes that are powerful. And that takes, that takes a lot of time just as a comic, just to get the skill. but also for this kind of comedy, you do have to be a certain age.

You do have to have life experience. The audience perceives that life experience. Yeah. And it's like, you know, I'm sure there were times when you were coming up where it's like, you know, you get impatient as we all do and it's like you want to pop. But this is your time.

It really is, you're in such a perfect comedic spot. And it's only going to get better. Thank you, brother. Yeah. I was just, I don't know, it was just when I first started delving into race stuff, it was more anger. And then also, I didn't have an hour of material that wove together. So, you can't do 10, 15 minutes on police harassment and then talk about how I like whiskey, not wine.

Yeah. Every time I try to order wine, they ask me what I'm going to eat tonight. What the fuck that's got to do with me getting drunk? Give me the wine, motherfucker. We need to know what it's going to pair with. It's pairing with Cheetos and beef jerky. You know what? Fuck this.

I'm leaving. I'm getting a beer. When you get a beer, nobody asks you what you eat. You're going to do that joke and then get right into fucking Democratic. Republican, you can't. Yeah. So it just takes time. But you do do it.

Yeah, you have a good balance of it. What is the most annoying thing? You've got this show now on CNN. Have I got news for you? Have I got news for you? And it's a great panel news show. And you are the center of it. So you're out doing a lot of press on it.

Yeah. Running around premier just a couple weeks ago. And what was the most annoying question that reporters would ask you about the daily show about you leaving the daily show because I'm sure it got repetitive it's not why did you leave the daily show that was always the question I have to respect that question the daily show is an institution and why would you leave that it's a good job in a time of not a lot of good jobs I understood that question I think the, in leaving the daily show,

the difficult thing we're doing media about it is the presumption of beef or the presumption of disdain or hatred for the building because apparently, because in our society, the only way you leave a job is if you're fed up. Right. And picking over the file cabinet and giving them.

Yeah. And so what I've tried to explain to all these reporters, man, is that I looked at the market. and I made a decision on if I'm going to jump to something next, I feel like now is the right time. I don't want to leave, but sooner or later this job will be no more.

That's the truth about every fucking job. Sooner or later, it will be no more. That's right. So if you have a chance, if you time it right, I could jump and elevate. I think the way this market is looking, I know what's going to happen at Daily Show.

There's no host right now. So it's going to be another year of what. When I left, John Stewart was not in the conversation of returning. And there was no new plan per corporate. My conversation with corporate, not the Daily Show producers. I'm talking Comedy Central, Viacom, over, we're way past daily show producers' heads at this point. They're making the call.

Correct. There's no, there was no clear, concise summation of what the strategy would be for, either guest hosting or bringing in another temporary host, whether or not I would be in that loop. Okay, respect. You need time to figure it out. I don't have that kind of time. Yeah, right, exactly.

I can't wait two months. I can't. Yeah. The writer strike is ending, it's October. And if we're playing musical chairs or finding somewhere else to land, if I want a picture show, like I was thinking, because I left in October of 23,

and the thought was between now and Thanksgiving, I can get out there and pitch a show. something. And if not, then I can figure out the top of next year to start figuring out where I fit into this election year. Because the election year of 2024, that if there is a new, non-scripted news show to come out, it will premiere in 2024. Right. And I believed that in October. And I'm not saying that on some CNN validation shit. What I'm saying is that if there is a new show, if anybody's going to do a new political comedy show, it's not going to be on the other it's not going to be on the other side of the election right it's going to be during the

election smart so if my goal is to host something or do anything different or expand or grow yeah i have to leave now because otherwise i'm going to in october i'm going to sign a year-long contract with you again that's going to hem me up until the election yeah and then who and also your fucking company is imploding under a merger. Yeah. We don't know who the new motherfucker is, and even if he wants the daily show, these people don't give a fuck, bro.

They cancel shows. Paramount. They're really in trouble. Now, it even been two months. It's like a week ago. Killed their entire podcast divisions, including the head of a, and I'm not talking about Comedy Central podcast.

Yeah. All of. fair amount. So podcasts that are in the top 10 on iTunes. Bye-bye. Yeah. Well, they're losing billions of dollars. Bro, we are an error where they shoot movies and then don't release them. You think they give a fuck about

a correspondent. They will fucking cut you loose if they decide to. And that's fine. Yeah. But I don't think I should stay for that. Yeah. And I could be wrong. I could very much be wrong, Tom. But the choice to leave was in fear of staying too long and not having an opportunity to jump. Yeah.

It wasn't because I hated them. It wasn't because they didn't have a plan. It wasn't because they did not choose to be. Do you feel bad that they did? Right. None of that never processed. Yeah. I love everybody in that fucking building.

And like, well, when you didn't get the job, well, I don't know. I know Hassan was in the mix. He's come out and said that they offered him the job. And then he didn't get the job. Okay, cool. So if he's out the door and then I come to you and I go, do you have a plan B? And you go, well, we're figuring it out. Yeah.

Yeah. That was bold, though. I mean, it's a difficult thing, you know, as a comic, you start out and you just are happy for anybody to say, I'm going to give you work. Everybody from the club to the whatever. And then to get a job that's paying you and your face is out there, it's a hard thing to walk from.

But I know, or at least the paranoia I have, and maybe this is trauma, maybe I should go back and do that second day of ayahuasca. I've worked enough jobs in radio to know that the shit, more often than not, does not end well, you don't get a hero's exit. No. I got fired on Twitter for my

morning show from a station that I worked that I worked for for 12 years. Whoa. On Twitter? Found out on Twitter. I found out with the general public that I no longer had a job. Yeah. That's the game, bro. It's the game.

And you know, it's a, I have a lot of friends that are just in regular jobs, corporate jobs, lawyer jobs. It ends the same for everybody. Bro, I've heard stories of comedians and actors who have been cast for a TV show. And then you show up for the table read, which is essentially your first day trainee badge, welcome, here's the bathroom. Over there, it's the break room day.

Yeah. People who have been cast and shit. And then the next day they get a call, yeah, we're going to recast you. This game is cold-blooded. This game is cutthroat. And so I choose to make moves that I feel like will give me the best chance

to win down the road. Comedy, comedy is dope in that you don't get the, you don't reap what you sow for about six to eight months, generally speaking. Any choice you make right now won't affect you for about

nine or ten, business strategic type stuff. Right. You know, so you have to think ahead. Like when I, like over the summer during the writer strike, rewind to January, I don't know, was that the WGA Awards in February or something. I spoke with a couple of writers who were like on the negotiating team for the gig.

Yeah. And what they laid out seemed like a very serious case for a work stoppage. Okay. All right, let me call my agent. Hey, man, it's Roy. Book me in 40 cities. they're predicting a November stoppage. So let's go, let's go June to November.

Just give me some dates. Because I need to make sure that bills are paid. And then sure enough, a couple months later, so you're, you're constantly burying acorns. So I say all that to say, the idea of leaving, I am asked the question about leaving the daily show from people sometimes who cannot quantify that fear is also a motivating factor of change

and that the idea that I need to be in control, it's the jump out the plane versus push out the plane. And so for fear of not knowing the millions of different ways this can end, I'm going to roll the dice, I'm going to leave, and then I'm going to host any and every fucking thing I can and treat all of those

opportunities as auditions for something bigger. Right. And in the meantime, do stand up, sell a book, sell a Hulu special. So, yeah, we know 24, 24 straight. Yeah.

Son's gonna have food in the roof. Yeah. Everybody's good. Go parent is good. Go team go. Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully by the end of 24, I can land something or I'll create something. Right. That's the other thing everybody else is doing.

It's just making their own thing. But I need time to study the market. See who's doing what? So I'm not copycatting. Right. There's still logistics in building your own YouTube empire. You're not just going to stumble into that anymore. Yeah, exactly.

So it's... No, you did a good job. We do something on this program called an uncomfortable moment. I think this is a good time for it. we have our researches, take deep dives, and we really respect that the way you run your business and you kind of like found a place to take your... It's a fucked up question.

It's too complimentary on the front of it. And, you know, that story you just told and then ending up on CNN as the host of this amazing show. Which is also a show that's a remake of a British show from 35 years, that's been running for 35 years. So even me leaving a daily show thinking, oh, I'll just sell my own fucking wrong. Yeah. And you end up in this institution.

So it seems like you make a lot of moves with real integrity. But you also seem to have, well, not sold out, but it seems like here we got a picture of you auditioning for another show. You want to explain this? That is a scandal. There's a scandal. There's no shame. I did not do drugs with Big Bird. That's a good Photoshop.

Big Bird, isn't that beautiful? Good Photoshop. I would have loved to have done Sesame Street. I don't think I don't think I'm famous enough. Yeah, I think even Big Bird could have been good together. Also, I'm too political probably. I know some producers of shows just think of me as like a Lewis Black type. So they just think I'm going to come on and yell about racism.

I have other thoughts. When you grew up, oh, by the way, these are croissants for you. Oh, shit. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Fuck them up on the way out.

Who cooked for you when you were a kid? My mom, we generally only ate together as a family on Sundays. Very much a latchkey kid. My mom made food, but it was just in there. Right. You know, I would, my mom would come home. For the entirety of my childhood, my mom was always pursuing another degree and some secondary education.

You know, so master's law school, doctorate program. Like, just, so she'd come home at five, she out the door at six to be at a 6.30 to 9 p.m. night school situation. So I'm getting in at baseball practice maybe right at 6 or boys. Like, I'm just always in the house at 5, 5.30. on most days. Right. She's either cooked something

or it's something to heat up or it's pot pies. It's not like we... Cooking takes a degree of time that a lot of working class people, if you're trying to better yourself, you're not going to have time for all of that shit. What were Sundays like?

Sunday was breakfast. Huge breakfast. Yeah, that's nice. No matter what beef my parents had, Sunday was breakfast. That was like the truce. Yeah. And we didn't really talk.

much we just sat and read the paper and we would you know talk about random stories in the paper and just kind of it would create debate and cross talk you know my mom you know my dad is a high you know high intellectual my mother the same so I could sit at the table and listen to them talk about a ran contra right like you know in your kid yeah and then and then leave with my dad in the fifth grade and like in go see jesse jackson giving a speech in town and then my dad's backstage with jesse jackson and dick gregory and john lewis just kicking get his old friend and jeez so that was sundays you know but yeah we were very much a current events family you know my dad watched the local news my dad this is so old school my pops will watch c span if there was an

important vote on something relevant that he thought his listening to you know my dad watched the local news my dad this is so old school my pops will watch c-span if there was an important vote on something relevant that he thought his listening needs to know about. He would take a tape recorder and put the tape recorder and the speaker on the TV and that's how he pulled Sots to air sound bites

on this radio show. So I've come through the house stomping and yelling and making some noise. Shut up, motherfucker. Recording the speeches. And deep down, I hope that one of those

made it into my dad's broadcast. That's amazing. And now, as you all know, the House spoke on the referendum. Here's Senator Bob Dole speaking about the referendum. Shut up. I was just playing. Yeah. But yeah, that was like, Sundays were a good day.

Yeah. So when you grow up in this, so you have this lens on the country and the way people are treated. from the time you're a little kid, and I mean, the things you're saying are like, you're next to the people that are really on the front lines of it all. At this stage in your life, are you hopeful?

Are you, do you feel like we've made progress since your dad was stomping around? Yeah, in some ways. I just think that America's a cycle of progress and backlash. And I think during a backlash cycle to people who fought for progress sometimes, it's easy to turn a blind eye or you stop to take a breath and then realize, oh, wait, we got to get back in the fight. So I think more people are aware of what's happening in the world.

But I think there's also more people that care less to change it. You know what I mean? Like there's very much a, well, that's not my problem type of ideology now. They'll take care of it. Which is where I feel like in the 60s or 70s, there might have been a little bit more of, hey, what are you guys up to over there? Okay, we'll come help you fight a little bit. But I think you're always in a battle. If you were trying to change this government

and capitalistic structure of it, I think you're always in a battle of fighting for what's good for society and balancing that with what's healthy for yourself. I've met very few activists who are... who are not stressed. I won't say that they aren't happy. This new wave of activists have figured out ways to take a self-help day or whatever.

You know, self-care day or whatever they call it. Yeah. My dad was always angry, man. Yeah. He was always not at me, but just at the world. Yeah. You know, so it's easy to see how the first woman that just goes,

come over here, I'm making some food and rub you back. Fuck it, we fucking. That's, because the world never gave him that. And that's the balance. I do it. It's the one thing I enjoy about

CNN. The thing that's interesting about a daily show, and I'm not sure which one is better or worse. As a correspondent on the daily show, you take periodic adventures out of New York City

to places to talk with people who are dealing with horrific conditions and circumstances and your job is to make this horrific condition a circumstance funny. And you ain't got to do it every week. You got to do it every day. When you do it, you're going to be down there for three days and you're going to be in some shit

and you're going to see some shit. Every nine and then you're going to see some last week of cancer type stuff that's going on in our world. In between those trips is where you get to heal, you get to recharge, you come in the studio, do something silly on the green screen, breathe for a second. Whereas what have I got news for you,

we can talk about the things that are horrible, but because it's essentially a fake game show present, it's discussion about current events presented as a quiz show. We can't stay in the topic too long. Right. So would you rather go out of town and for three days really dive into it. Would you rather skim everything?

Because the conceit of our show is to bring you up to speed on what is happening. Yeah, for the week. I'm not here to present the solution. I'm not here to daily show it and tell you, here's the causation, or pretty much every field piece is, here's the problem.

And then you have time, you have enough time left in the field piece to either address the causation of it or the solution. And who's blocking the solution or fighting for the solution and vice versa, who are the pro and con on causation or the pro and con on solution.

Right. That's all you got time for. But you have to honor those quadrants. Yeah. For it to be a proper well-rounded filpies. Yeah. Or on my show, I can make a quick Eric Adams jab. And if I want, I can delve deeper into the fact

that it points to the issue of corruption at the state and local level. And that's how countries are really going to infiltrate America. It's not going to be through Washington. It's going to be through your county electorates. It's going to be through all of the people. the all them names down to the bottom that you don't think about, those are the ones that are willing to sell they sold for a fucking seat on Turkish

airlines. It ain't even the best airline in the Middle East. Shout out to Emirates. Emirates, if you're watching, I've taken up great. Emirates is the real deal. Well, you know what, I take that back. I need to check my CNN contract. So, yeah.

But, you know, it's interesting. I know what you're saying, like, you don't, you have the, you're kind of, you're kind of, you're kind of moving it along. But there's a very interesting thing about, there's more people dispassionate. Yeah, but there's an interesting thing about you as a host. The reason comedians are great at this role that you have, your essence and your point of view comes through on everything. Even if you're not diving into it, we know as a viewer,

where you're the way you wink at the camera the way you were phrasing the line the way you're talking to your your your well best host it really like there's no it just comes out there's no real way to stamp that down which is why it's a great spot for you yeah thank you man yeah thank you it's been it's been a good time so far i really i really had a really good time on the show and you know amber ruffin and michaelian black are there as well yeah you know it's like team captains, you know, basically permanent panelists. Yeah, right. So it's fun because you've got six days to go through every other emotion about these topics.

We just hear the clown and make jokes. The only thing I hate is that stuff can happen at the beginning of the week. Yeah. Might not make it to Friday because we live in a news cycle that's so fucking tumultuous. It's amazing. I know. I mean, even you shoot on Friday. Yeah, we shoot Friday nights.

And air Saturday. Air Saturday. And even then you can have a, like, if you slid, like we're recording this right now in a stretch of time where in four days, we've had a hurricane, a biblical level hurricane in some parts of the Carolinas in Tennessee. Yeah. We've never worried about hurricanes.

We've had a chemical fire that is spreading poisonous to smoke throughout Atlanta, Georgia. Then I think a day or two later, there were the rocket strikes from Iran to Israel, and then the VP debate. Yeah. That all happened. And the biggest port in the country shut down from strike.

Oh, yeah. Port, Port, East Coast port shut down. And Eric Adams was indicted for corruption. The mayor of the largest city. It seems like nothing now. That really seems like, Nothing. From Friday till Tuesday.

Yeah. All of that happened. That's crazy. So even if that was like a Monday, like a Wednesday to Friday proposition. Yeah. How the fuck do you put all of that in? But with the game show quiz format,

we're able to pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Right. Whereas because the daily show, because it considered the daily show and John Oliver and a lot of the shows, is that we can't just go, Hurricane Mark Robinson didn't show up for the vote for the relief for the people in North Carolina.

Moving on. You have to get really deeper into the ideology of why that is cataclysmic. Why did J.D. Vance not show up for two votes because he was in Ohio chasing all the cat, Haitian stories. Like, that's a deeper conversation about you claim you care, but you don't show up to vote. Whereas in our show, we can just surface, pop, pop, pop.

Yeah. So it's two different styles of staying informed about the news. After being involved in both of those ends of it, when you look at people like Tucker Carlson and you see the way that they just use the news but manipulated in this weird entertainment fashion to just really spread like the worst of the worst. Does it give you perspective on the game that they play?

Yeah, I think a lot of it's about profitability as well. It's about making money. I also don't think that every right-wing media person believes everything they're pushing. I think I'm not going to say it's pro-rasseling. They have to be aware of it. It feels like it. They have to be aware of the damage that some of the stuff. stuff is exciting.

And they don't care. Yeah. They play it like, that's the thing that bothers me. They play it like it's a game. And they even, you know, their side texts are, you know, the opposite of what they're telling the people. And it's all just show to them. Yeah.

But there's real people that are acting out on it. But see, then the perspective I have, having done the correspondence dinner and having gone to a couple of events in Washington, media events. and even NABJ National Association black journalists, a lot of these people who you think don't like each other, they be drinking together. They be kicking it. Won't be seen on camera.

Won't laugh at me on camera at the correspondence, gender, but when I saw you at that after party, you came up and told me you love me. Uh-huh. Because it's a game. And there's a degree of, I'm going to say these things and I don't have necessarily

the same level of care and concern for the fallout of what I say but what that does it makes me let me be nice and I say this you don't have to be it makes me

wonder which one is next in the sense that you can have like a right wing pundit who plays a little more central you know like Tucker Carlson in the early days was you know I'm on CNN to say some non-CNN kind of opinions but in a way that's digestible would make sense it's policy you pair them with James Carville and because Carville represents kind of the other side depending on the discussion Carville you feel like okay well Carville checked him so Tucker's not threat

he's just saying that thing but that guy put him in his place that fuck yeah And I'm sure conservatives felt the same way on the flip, right? You have people that play a certain lane, and then as opportunities are denied, you lean in the only way you can to continue to make money. You give what I'm saying? Yeah. They get response.

But which one is the truth? Is it more centrist Tucker on CNN? Was it Tucker on Fox News, or is it the Tucker we get now? We won't know until he's out of his. the out of the game, you know. Megan Kelly is another great example. Even more so with Megan Kelly because, all right, you're on Fox News and you have

on some weird guests and you say some weird shit, but okay, but like on a one to ten is probably a seven or an eight. And you go to Today Show and everything gets dialed back to a one or two. Right. Like, oh, that's what you really wanted. You really wanted inclusion into the fucking mainstream and you didn't get it.

And now you got it and you say, oh, and then, oh, shit, she's fired from the Today show. And then it's, she left and contractual, whatever. Then it's, wait, she's saying what now? Right on her own. Now I'm a fuck on a 10. Well, which one is the truth? I don't know.

All three are employable. I think there's definitely the average person watching and consuming that type of content does not have the discernment that comedians and other journalists have. And I do think a lot of that stuff does incite. Do you feel like you want to be beholden to your beliefs

before you no I'm here for the jokes and I make that clear cut first and foremost and if we can sneak you in a vegetable and the jokes cool but I mean even on the left

like even with Democrats there's a lot of mistaking making a point for a punchline and to me that ain't comedy and it also ain't journalism in a way like if you're just leaning into the most extreme beliefs

without ever considering or conceding something, some other point that the other side is making. There's a lot less of a desire to meet in the middle on shit. And so, you know, I'm not going to just get on stage and just yell what I think just because

if you didn't laugh. The trick, that was the beauty of George Carlin. He could get you to laugh at shit you don't agree with. That's game. Yeah. And through that, through that laugh, maybe now your point of view gets to permeate in. but just yelling and calling people stupid.

I mean, saying people fuck couches is kind of funny. But you gotta leave that alone after a while. You peep out Tim Walt, stop calling them weird. Yeah. He came out the gate. They're weird. And then, I don't know, probably somebody from Kamas team's like, my fuck shut that fuck.

Yeah, you can't do that joke again. We're going to do this shit on policy. We got to win on policy. Because you can't because when you insult people, they shut down. Yeah. I think the problem is that journalism and entertainment mixed so so much at this point. It's terrible.

It's terrible for politics. Yeah. It's terrible. Like you are a comedian. You're in a show that's journalism adjacent, but this is a comedy show. Correct. And I even get weird now. Now, you want to talk about something that people do.

People say, well, you're the host of a show on CNN. Like, you're a CNN host. and I still don't know what title to give myself because I don't want you to assume that I am Jake Tapper or Fareed Zakaria, like people that are much more but I'm not Abby Phillip. Yeah. I ain't Caitlin Collin.

Right. They have a different standard that they must abide by that is higher than mine. So you need to understand if you fucking with me, you get into the jokes. Yeah. I might fact check it. I don't know.

But figuring out that delineation is hard. It is hard. But I think that the average person watching cable news can't tell the difference between a pundit and a journalist. And that's where the muddying and the facts became gray because opinions were assumed to be facts. Right. And they were presented as factual. And then no one on the panel is checking crazy comedy guy because they're just crazy comedy guy. And then the pundit gets to say their weird thing without a punchline.

and now that shit sounds factual. Yeah, exactly. That comedy sounds like facts. Yeah, when Hannity would catch shit, he would say, I'm not a journalist. I'm not a journalist. I'm an entertainer. Yeah.

I was like, well, you're playing a journalist most of the time. The people watching, you definitely think you are a journalist. That's why I always felt like journalists, like if you're a pundit on any network, you shouldn't be allowed to wear a suit. That would be a good fix. Yeah, like a uniform. Yeah.

It's just, it's like, you know how like in FIFA where if you're not in the game, you have to wear that stupid construction vest so that you can't sneak on the field and pretend to be an actual player. Right. Like, that should be the same thing. Journalists wear a suit. Everybody else is just fucking a hoodie. Yeah.

Yeah, that would be a good song. I can't believe anybody in a hoodie. Did you shoot your Hulu special? Yeah, yeah. We just shot, yeah, we shot in D.C. Lincoln Theater. It was a good time, man. It's a good time.

They haven't given me a release date yet, but we'll see. Dylan Streamers are a little different than Comedy Central. Yeah. Oh, that's great. You're happy with it? Yeah, I'm very happy. It's probably the last one of like a traditional stand-up that I'll probably do. Oh, yeah.

Why? What do you mean? I don't know about ever, but for sure, for a while. For a while. I've been in it with Barbiglia, Chris Rock, and Neil Brennan, about trying to do a one-person show. So that's going to be the next thing. Oh, yeah. I'll start trying to set up figuring that out.

like this journey between me and my dad and other men in my life that I've gleaned wisdom from after my father passed, I think that's... It's a great story. That's the way to go. Yeah. And you can't do that at a... Yeah.

In a theater for 50 bucks where people just want big laughs. So I gotta figure that out first, and then grow it into something that people will want to see at a theater. Right. For $70. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can't kind of roll in

and when you're expecting the Roy I've been one thing for what will now be four straight comedy specials. Yeah. This next thing's got to be a slower transition. Right. So that's what I'm working on. Oh, that's cool.

Yeah, man. I would love to see that. It's such an interesting story. Yeah. I mean, we just scratched the surface, but I mean, God, it's a really... Yeah. I mean, your father would be so proud

to see where you are now. he probably tell you to be meaner. You did the show with a president. Did you cuss that crack out? Right, exactly. You shook his hand? Yeah, probably. Right?

Probably so. When you get up to D.C., ask that cracker why he'd cut the referendum to do that thing. I don't know if I'll have enough time for that, dad. Yeah, exactly. It's a quick photo app. But dad, it's the president. Yeah, we're in a process of digitizing a lot of my pop's old news commentaries that he did.

Oh, yeah. They're all on reel to reels. So I'm like setting out the machines and listening to him. That's got to be your own ayahuasca trip. Yeah, really. It's got to be a lot of... Upload that shit like a podcast. Yeah, uncovering and unearthing and it's a lot.

Yeah, yeah. Indeed, man. Yeah, did he talk like you? Did he have a voice like you? No, my father was very... deep and baritone and he enunciated every word. Because in radio days in the 50s and 60s, that's how you did. That's right.

W-V-O-N news time is 1107. I'm Roy Wood. And these are the headlines. Like that's... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was my pops. Oh, it's cool. Yeah, man.

I appreciate you for having me, man. Yeah, this is really great. You know, it's funny. We've always been in the orbit together, and I always love seeing you. But we never really got to spend a lot of time together. Yeah, never did. But I always loved when I'd see your name on the lineup or one time at hilarities, I snuck in.

I was doing something somewhere else and got to watch you and catch up. And yeah, I've always had a real respect and just a joy when I would see you around. I remember seeing you at the last comic standing season seven finale from not mistaken. I feel like you had a show. Yeah.

He had a sitcom, and they had you come to a set that night. It was you, Kathy Griffin. Right. And Gloria Gaynor. And I say this with respect to Gloria Gaynor. But we were, myself and other comedians, we were just, we were so, we were disappointed because we felt like that night was our night. Mm-hmm. So last comic standing, they had five, that season.

They have five comedians in the finale. Myself, Felipe, Tommy, Johnny, and Kaplan, De Stefano, the rest of the piece. And the producers tell us the finale is going to be two hours. Okay. And they go, but only two of the top five will perform before we announce the winner.

And we go, well, that's fucked up. And they go, yeah, well, the top two comedians will do two and a half minutes and then we will announce the winner. I go, okay. When what the fuck are we here?

Why are the other three, like why are all five comedians here? You could have just chopped this down to two niggas last week. Right. And I go, all right, it's a two-hour show. You're telling me there's, in nowhere that two hours,

there isn't six minutes for the other three comedians to do two minutes apiece, to just say one last goodbye to America. Who's performing? And they go, well, we've got Tom Papa's going to do some time. Craig Robinson, who's the host, he's going to do some time. We're going to bring on Kathy Griffin to do some time.

And we're like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Oh, also the three judges, because the three judges are also comedian. So we're going to bring on the judges. And the judges, each judge, Greg Gerardo will do time. Um, fuck, was it, Natasha Legerro and was it Zobodin? Was Alonzo Bowden? I think maybe. I can't remember who the third judge was.

Yeah. So at this point, we're up to seven people, seven comedians. Then they go, and then comic one and comic two will perform. Uh-huh. Go, okay. So then what else? Yeah, also at the top of our two, Gloria Gaynor is going to come on and perform I will survive.

With Google the shit, bro. She fucking performed. In the middle of a comedy contest show, they have Gloria and I love Gloria again. You have all these other music shows, motherfucker.

Put her on one of those and give the comedians back that time so that the fucking contestants can perform on the fucking finale. Who the fuck? I will survive. Landis.

that was the night I met you but I was so fucking mad that I didn't come over I didn't like chop it up with you that but I wasn't mad at you but I get it you had a Jerry Seinfeld vouched program

right on the network put this motherfucker up we got to make sure motherfuckers watch this motherfucker on the next next week you made sense but that glory you gain of shit

I couldn't get past it bro I couldn't get past it and I got eliminated I came in third so I didn't even get to perform on the finale of a show and me and Mike D and Mike Kaplan

we sat back there and we was in that bitch furious oh we were furious and my fucker's like you coming back at it because it's like it's in a theater

so the green room everybody's in the same space yeah I was in a nice trailer yeah yeah say what the fuck trailer. There was

pineapple. You come walking past us to get on, say, hey guys, Tom Papa good to me. Yeah, Tom. Hello. Fuck him. So, yeah, it's good to see you under better circumstances. Is my car ready?

Man. I'm out of there before they even announced the winner. The wildest shit about last comic standing that year is that we all lost to Felipe. And like any comedian who's lost, you a little angry for a second. Sure. And it's not directed at Felipe directly, but you're mad because you wanted the money.

The next day, we're on a bus together for an 80 city tour. Oh, man. A guy who just won a quarter meal and the four guys who lost it. All together on a bus for four months. Who the fuck thought of this? also appreciate the money in bc that was a good lick we went to 80 cities man that was a good fucking no i needed that money 80 city yeah but yeah that was my point is it's good to see you again good to see you too i'm happy for your success glory gainer i love you yeah yeah and now you're

strutting through the clubs get warming up for your show and people like you know what i should do for my next special i should fucking book gloria gainer that would be great And tell us you can only do two minutes.