Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 273 - Gabby Reece

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Today on Breaking Bread Gabby Reece joins us at the table! Gabby is a former professional volleyball player and Tom has a lot to learn. Her advice on saunas and talking to strangers has changed his life for the better. Today they talk weight loss tips, sleeping separation, and more. Enjoy! Follow Gabby Reece @gabbyreece  Text PAPA to 64000 to get twenty percent off all IQBAR products, plus FREE shipping. Message and data rates may apply. Get 50% off 1 month of cold brew with Trade at drinktrade.com/PAPA ---------------- 0:00:00 Intro 0:00:27 Patreon Shoutout 0:00:50 How they met 0:02:35 Making bread in garages 0:04:35 Tom's bread products  0:06:25 Talking to strangers 0:10:00 Saunas  0:15:01 Bad smells, surprises  0:17:13 Low dose nicotine  pouches, vaping 0:21:54 IQ Bar Ad 0:23:54 Trade Coffee Ad  0:25:55 Food habits and weight loss tips  0:32:02 Sleep separation 0:35:40 Robes  0:37:10 Tip from Tommy 0:39:00 Waking up and being in the same gear as your partner 0:43:26 Cheat days 0:44:39 Uncomfortable moment 0:47:50 Superpowers: having a sense of people  0:49:49 Training dolphins in a circus in Mexico 0:52:00 Growing up on an island  0:54:05 Pursuing vs being 0:56:00 Arguments with kids 0:57:53 Navigating guests  ---------------- Tom Papa is a celebrated stand-up comedian with over 20 years in the industry. Watch Tom's new special "Home Free" out NOW on Netflix! Radio, Podcasts and more: https://linktr.ee/tompapa/ Website - http://tompapa.com/ Instagram -  https://www.instagram.com/tompapa Tiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tompapa Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/comediantompapa Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/tompapa #tompapa #breakingbread #comedy #standup #standupcomedy #bread Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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you again. It's always nice to see you. Yeah, thanks for being here. You know, we know each other because I stalked you. Yeah, you stopped me first. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Yeah, let's be clear. Let's be clear. Well, because I watched you, well, I watched you and I thought, you know, he's spreading goodness. And I want to talk to him. And I reach out to you and you reach back. And that was several years ago. Yeah. And I just have, I have always, like, I think probably a lot of people feel this way about you. But when they see you, I don't know if you feel that way about them. It's like, I. I was going to say that to you, actually. It's like, oh, I, I appreciate you.

I feel comfortable with you. And so this relationship started by me stalking you. Which I, which was a blessing because I, we have only seen each other on each other's podcast. I know it's. But yet, I walk through my life thinking you're one of my good friends. Yeah, I feel that way. Right?

But maybe, but I, but it's all like chemistry and, you know, you meet people and you think, oh, I, I sort, I don't know the details, but I know them. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, we kind of click like that right away. Yeah, maybe it's because we don't hang out that we keep clicking. Yeah. Well, I still want to get Cynthia and Laird together too and all hang out, have a dinner or something.

Because we'll really know. But then, yeah. I'm kidding. Laird's wonderful. You've met Laird. I met Laird in, having him? I met Laird in and out. He stomped through, he like, stomped through, like grab some protein and ran down to the beach.

Did you have a shirt on? No, no shirt, no shoes. Exactly. He's the smartest guy in our house. Let me just say that. He really is. He keeps it simple. So my bread story, and it makes me think of you all the time, is I go to a farmer's market near my house on Sundays. And actually, I won't miss it when I can because there's an Armenian family that makes bread in their garage.

So they have other jobs. The women are like their older daughter helps. She's an attorney. You know, the woman is like an accountant. Right. And he makes them in cast iron pans. But anyway, so I'm in Malibu. Yeah. So occasionally there might be certain kinds of ladies, right? Right. And so this one lady, so we're visiting and laughing. And, you know, he's making inappropriate jokes about wives and stuff, right? And this woman walks up, but I don't, so I don't want to block sales, so I move over. And she says in sort of this very held, rigid, she's like, do you have gluten-free? and the Armenian lady without skipping a beat is like, I'm so sorry, no, I don't believe in that. And I was like, you know, it's like that joke. I don't want to date anyone who's, you know, scared of a piece of toast.

Right, exactly. We, I did the same thing. Like all my friends that were gluten free when I started baking bread, I was like, just try it. Yeah. And they could eat my bread without a problem. Of course. And we actually had a guest on the pod. We won't name them.

but and we heard that they couldn't eat bread so we got them gluten-free bread and uh they didn't even take it they left it even they didn't like it and it was like 25 bucks for the loaf of course it's so expensive yeah because a cillium husk and that and stuff is very expensive i have a very good friend very good friend for a long time she has a bakery called faux nuts and she's become an expert literally expert at gluten-free bread oh really yeah so So her buns, her bread, it's very good. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. I would imagine if you dial it in. This is filled with gluten and I just baked it today. It's probably still warm. It's gorgeous. You're going to take it home. Yeah. I like the crumbs everywhere when you cut it kind of thing.

I know. Yeah. I know. I have some bread products that are coming out this year. Yes, Tompapa. Let's go. Did you make that happen? No, he had nothing to do with it.

I've been asking him for years. I had to do it on my own. And they proposed a cutting board with the slats, with the crumb slats. So you cut it and it all goes underneath and then you slide it out. Because you know, I know your children are, your girls are big. But some days you just don't want to clean one more thing. It sounds so silly. But you look at the loaf and you think, that's why I'm happy and joyous when I go to the market.

And I'm like, can you cut this for me? And they say yes. I go, okay. It's your mess. I know. I'm excited though and it has this cool knife Like you ever see that knife it's like wood and then it has the it's like in a bow Yeah of course yeah

Yeah see you're getting slick I know this this company Nambay do you know Nambay? It's all like that teak wood stuff Yeah, yeah yeah we're gonna be really cool so you make sort of Some money as a comedian but your big move will be Now your bread can I tell you a secret? You're doing it for love? No No But I'm just saying that'll be the irony Yeah, it totally could be, but I think that the only way you get the masses is if you make cookies.

Really? I feel like if you bake bread, you get like it's a little smaller. I don't know. I think it's because it's you. Maybe the margins. I mean, if you want to get into all that talk, I certainly can do that. But I think because it's you, I think people want to connect with it. Yeah, you think so.

And I think people eat more bread than they do cookies. Yeah, that's true. Even though cookies are novel and they're small. You walk in with cookies. People like, yay. Yeah, I don't know. Nowadays, you walk in with some good bread, people are like, yay. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true. You want to know another secret? Many.

I, last time we were together, I was talking about how you gave me advice. And you said that I was saying, like, you know, I'm friendly. And a lot of times I'll be like, hey, and people just go and I feel like an idiot when I walk away. and I said, you know, a lot of times when I get in an elevator, I'm like, hey, and people don't want to talk. And you said, don't stop. Don't stop. You said, don't stop. Keep putting it out there.

Keep connecting. And so not only did I not stop, I turned it up. Therapy. And I turned it up. And one of the first trips from when, after we spoke, I was in Dallas connecting, going to the lounge, packed early. Everybody was like, wow. Yeah. And I was like, so were you guys going?

and a couple people broke out of it, started chatting. By the time we got to the second floor, the whole place was like, have a great trip, see you in Ohio. Good luck with the graduation. And I really, I carried it. I went out in the world and took your mission. You can do it because of the way your expression on your face. And I always say, I have the luxury.

Women have the luxury, really. And as a larger woman, I think I've told you this, I bully everyone to be polite. to me. Right. Because my day's better. Right. And I think people are yearning to connect and they just don't know how. They feel awkward. They don't want to get rejected. And I think our humanity is on all those small exchanges. It's like when you go to the store and you say, oh, how are you or you go to your favorite deli? And they go, oh, how's it going? And you know, you get your thing. I kind of think that life's made up of that. Yeah. I believe that completely. I went to, you know, Tyler Children.

the country artist. He was at the Hollywood Bowl last night. Nice. That place is awesome. Oh, it's so good. So good. Oh, man. And his show was fantastic.

He was really special. And he had a little speech towards the end, like three more songs to go. And he said, you know, how great is this? And especially in L.A. right now, like, this is really what L.A. is about. Yeah. And he said, the greatest thing about, he goes, I don't know. He had this great line where he said, I don't know how many Tyler Childers shows you've been. to, but I've been to all of them. And the greatest part is when you meet the people around you.

So take a minute to just say hello to somebody in front or behind or the side. And everyone's kind of listening, but he kept it going where you kind of had to do it. Yeah. And literally turned to the people behind us. I'm like, hey, I'm Tom. And they were a little like, I'm Justin. And this is Liz. And they met my daughter and the whole thing. And then by the end, that was our only exchange. And then when we're all leaving, we're like, take care. Yeah. Be safe. It was really great. Yeah. I think we have to all create that effort. And everybody talks about technology and it's really there to take your attention. Yeah. You know, in the days before, it was like, oh, connection, your health are number one things. But what, you know, what comes up over and over is

your time. Your attention is actually maybe one of the greatest, you know, commodities that we have. And so you can even see it in younger people that are all. their phones and it becomes increasingly more difficult or awkward to say a simple hello. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I have to give you a big thank you. We haven't talked about it. Oh, good.

What is it? You advise me on a sauna. Oh, yes. Oh, did they help you? Oh, yeah. Logan, did he help you? Yeah. He's lovely, isn't he?

So great. Yeah. I'm a little disappointed because he was so cool. Yeah. And he came in, set it up. It's this beautiful sauna in the backyard. He didn't tell you how much it was going to cost and then... No, that was cool.

I thought we were going to hang out more. Oh, with Logan? I thought Logan and I were going to hang out. He is really sweet. Yeah. But that's why he's great because he just skedoodles. He does scadoodle. Yeah.

You don't want anyone lingering. No. Mm-mm. Yeah, you're right. I know who to pick to send a wear. Yeah. And you could get someone who thinks they're going to be your friend in your sauna. Yeah.

I love it. Oh, my God. It's changed our life. It's good for your brain. That was the first podcast I did at your house. Yeah. We saw it first. Yeah.

And then we'll podcast. And I hadn't sawn it in a long time. Yeah. And the whole podcast, I was like, take deep breaths. Don't pass out. And it's a beautiful way you can spend time either alone, decompressing or with your partner or with a friend. It's so good. I used to do a podcast with, do you know who Neil Strauss is?

He was a writer. He wrote a book called The Game. Right. So Neil and I actually had a podcast. together called the Truth Barrel and we did it in the sauna. Oh, really? Yeah. So everyone was in their bathing suit, so you're basically naked.

Yeah. You're sweating. Yeah. And you got to get to it. And so it was wonderful. That's amazing. Yeah, some guests were like, what? I have to be in my bathing suit.

You did another thing in the sauna. I saw you moved a stationary bike. I didn't. I didn't. Let's be clear. You were exercising. Yeah. I follow along.

Laird puts it in there. It's like a twofer. Yeah, you're up. You were on the thing and then they came back and you were in the sauna doing it. Yeah, it was like from 170 and one of my daughters does it at 210, 220. For how long? Just 15 minutes. Increments.

So if I'm feeling really good, I'll do two sets. And sometimes they'll do that. I have no idea why, but we just do it. I just lay down in it. It's a start. It's a start. We've been doing it a long time. You have?

Sona. We've been doing saunas for probably close to 12 or 13 years. It's amazing. So I'm sure Laird will have some new way we're sauning, you know. The first, when we did it, you had that new, that new young surfer. Oh, Luca. Luca. Yeah.

Who's just like a killer. He is. He's looking like a lumberjack these days. He has this huge beard. Yeah. Yeah. He's a big wave surfer from Mavericks. And he actually surfed that wave first time when he was 13.

Wow. Yeah, he's a very talented person. Yeah. And in great shape. Yeah, well, he's 12. Come on. It was a little humbling before I went on the podcast to have to sit with him. I get it. But I think at the time you met him, he was like 18 or 19.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, amazing. Oh, but the sauna, thank you so much for that. It's changed my life. I mean, when I travel, you know, all the time. Yeah. And you just come back and just go right in there. And all of that travel just comes out.

There's a lot of data who I love if people ever want to learn more about it. And obviously, listen, this is an ancient practice. right, the sauna. And people in the Scandinavian countries, they work out all their work issues and family issues in the sauna, right? Oh, really? Yeah. So, you know, I always love like when people get something new and they go, oh, and everybody wants to framework the science. But if you really get into the science, I think it's three times a week. There's sort of like a drop in all-cause mortality by like, I don't know, 60 percent, especially for men. Alzheimer's and dementia drop significantly. So there's just so many benefits.

And if people go, okay, sauna, you know, ice, I would say sauna is still the king. You know, there's just so many, so much information and data and supportive. And to your point, I think it makes you sleep better. You detox. You make heat chop proteins. There is a really long, cool protocol if you ever want to try it, where you go down to 160 and you can stay for an hour. And there's sort of the, again, Rhonda Patrick is really good for these different

different protocols for different benefits. Right. And you do that for like a week. Uh-huh. And then you have sort of different benefits. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. So if you want to get...

Yeah. You don't have to ride a bike, but you can... You don't have to crank it up to the highest thing. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if hot is necessarily better, but we... Right. You know, in our house, more is more. So I don't know.

That's too. I just crank it. Yeah. Oh, it's the best. Do you have music in there? I don't... I haven't figured out how to get music in there. I don't.

But you can... We just have it on the outside. And it plays. Sometimes I bring my phone in really low. Uh-huh. Oh, you where it's cooler. Yeah. And you could listen to music or a podcast if I want to have a laugh or something.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, there is something nice to just being in there in silence. Yeah. You know, it's like one of the places. Active meditation. Yeah. Yeah. No, I really like that.

Are you getting your notes now? Yeah, there's an important question. I forgot to ask. All right. I like it. Hold on a second. What's your favorite bad smell? My favorite bad smell?

Yeah. Well, it'd have to, oh, it's the first thing that comes to mind besides oregano oil, because I know how good it is for you, is like socks that people have been wearing from working out or playing a sport because it's so familiar and gross. Like, for me, in the old days, you know, beach volleyball, obviously you don't wear shoes and socks, but when I played in college and in high school volleyball, you would take your socks off and your shoes and you think, oh, I'm not. And I earned it too, though. Right. Like there was some weird emotional connection with that. So that's it. And then my kids will play tennis or do stuff and I see their gross socks.

I'm like, this is disgusting and they earned it. You know, like it's both. I don't know. Yeah. I like that one. Mine is my armpits. Is it? Yeah, I think so.

Do you actively go? I know I'm stinking right now and I take and you go for it? Yeah. And I'm like, oh. I really do stink. Yeah. It's been confirmed. It's been confirmed.

Yeah. And then I just hang out with my. And you just sit with it? And you think you're on your primal man? Yeah, right, exactly. That's true. Do you like to be surprised? I do.

Come on in, everybody. I like to be surprised. I don't want to be scared. You know, and I'm a person, because I'm an only child, so I'm not a jumper. You know, siblings that grow up scaring each other or families, then they're real jumpy. Yeah. You know, sometimes my kids, you know, of course, they come out and I'm just like, what are you doing? You know, so I don't, I don't, that doesn't thrill me.

but a good old like da-da and here you know you're so-and-so we're going to this dinner or whatever right right yeah who doesn't like to be surprised yeah joe oh really yeah you're gonna have a joe in your life yeah we all do no for real they keep stuff going yeah they really do they take the hit for you too we had a couple podcasts without him here it wasn't the same yeah and look he's doing nothing he's well he's steadfast he's happening uh it sounds like from your social media and from your podcast that I'm supposed to start smoking cigarettes. Is that true? Absolutely. Four packs a day. My whole message for the last 30 years, just take it off the table. No. I even showed up. Yeah. So I have a friend who has a company and that's how I got

introduced to it called athletic nicotine. And the reason I like it, well, there's, okay, so there's some very strong data science about the cognitive protectiveness of nicotine. And even more recently, patches for people with like MS, Parkinson's autism at the neck. Now, the problem typically is people have used cigarettes as a carrier for nicotine that has arsenic and sort of 400 other chemicals. Yeah. Not to mention the heat, the burning of your lungs. So nicotine, to be clear, I have a.

I have those, the little bags. Little pouches. And they're biodegradable. But the nicotine is clean and it's low dose. That's the other thing. Because there could be an addictive quality. Yeah. So the other, so the issue is heat, bad for the lungs.

Right. And then high dose. So I do a low dose and put in there. And I personally love it. And it's interesting because in my house, my middle daughter, who's 21, not that that would stop anyone in my family from, you know, like, oh, she's 21. Oh, that's good. Yeah, good job.

They would do it, 18. Let's not play games. Yeah. Or 17 or, you know. But the women all like it. They all like it. Yeah, Laird is not as into it, but one of my girls and myself, and it just can give you a nice little boost. And I've really enjoyed that.

A little clarity? Yes, clarity, a little energy, maybe a little elevation. There's also some interesting things where a lot of smokers didn't get COVID. And it's because of the way the spike protein, the nicotine. the nicotine sets on the receptor perfectly, and it would bump off or prevent the spike protein from attaching. Really? Yeah, so there's this very funny and ironic thing

where there'd be a lot of things where it was, you know, a lot of things with the lungs when people had COVID, but a lot of smokers go figure. Right, we're protected. And the joke is I have a friend who talks about, if you go to an old people's home, the snappiest most kind of quick-witted are all the smokers, the people outside, I'd smoking the cigarettes.

No, it's true. So I'd avoid the heat and I'd avoid the chemicals. Okay. And the other thing with the pouches is you don't want to have the ones with the accelerators, which is basically fiberglass that would cut your gums. Oh, geez. So like old school baseball players, you know, they put it in there because it cuts the gum and gets it in there hard and fast.

That's really what it's for? Yeah, so that's the other little caveat that I would say. I'm civilized. How long do you keep a pouch in there? 20 minutes, 15. Does it make you spit or no? No, not at all. Right.

Yeah, and I, there's a, he has flavors that you'd find in real life. So mint, you know, it's not like tutti fruity and cappuccino. Yeah. It's, it's lemon, cinnamon, uh, mint, and then there's a no flavor at all. Here's a little conspiracy thing. Okay. That my kids taught me. All of their friends.

My daughter says her biggest flex is that she doesn't vape. Yeah, it's terrible. They all vape. All these kids vape. And they're all super hooked. and now she is friends who are smoking cigarettes to get off of vaping. So the conspiracy, of course, was this big tobacco's plan the whole time. Well, it's interesting because they own all the vaping companies.

So they sort of like, oh, you think the market's going to, you're going to shrink my market over here, then we're going to expand our market over there. Amazing. And, you know, the problem is to get those flavors, to get that action, you have those cartridges that are really, really dangerous for your health. And because it is addictive, they're just going all day long. Popcorn lung. Yeah, it's brutal.

And it irreversible, they just said this week. Yeah. If you get that weird lung thing. You know, I use a rule of thumb. I try anyway. Where, again, everything, not only in moderation, but can I get it as close to the source it was? Like if the natives were, you know,

they had those long pipes. Think about it. even their kind of weapon, but they had a long pipe. Why did they have the long pipe to be further from the heat? And that source, it's like a cocoa leaf versus cocaine. Right. That pure tobacco probably has a lot of, you know, medicinal compound. So I just, as I navigate it to the best of my ability, it's like, well, how far away from it naturally am I getting?

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Just to drop some LBs. I think with weight and time, right? Like as we get older, I think it's the chronic inflammation and load on the system that makes it harder for us to be more efficient. So lose weight or benefit from all the good things that we're doing. Inflammation. Yeah, chronic. I mean, you want to have inflammation in your life. If you train, you want to have an inflammatory response, but then you don't want it to be chronic.

And so I think a lot of people will be having really good habits. but because if you've lived a certain amount of time, stress, maybe lack of sleep, they're not recovering. It's like all of that sort of compounds through time. And so with food, you know, again, we have all the, we do have all the information. We're overloaded on information. So it's, it's real food. If you have to put it in a, I prefer not to cook in a microwave. Now if somebody says, hey, the only way I can really try to be as healthy as possible not eat out is use the microwave, I say go for it. Right. Right. And if, you know, you're worried about, is it organic or not actually frozen vegetables that are organic are better for you than avoiding that. And not being

crazy because I think that that is harder on us than just doing our best. Yeah. So I heard maybe 25 years ago the rule of thumb, I have a friend Paul check. And he said, listen, if 80% of the time you're doing great things. So I would just say to people, hey, take Monday through Friday through Saturday afternoon. And just try to have those best practices. Right, that's smart. And don't do sugar drinks. I think Americans consume something like 20% of their calories through their drinks. Wow, that's a lot.

That'll kick your ass in a row of way because it also goes straight to the liver. So if you eat an orange and it has sugar, it has fiber. Right. So it has to go through the digestive process. Your microbiome gets the good stuff. Right. And then the amount of sugar that really is different. where if you drink a soda or even like certain, you know, high glycemic foods,

that's where fatty liver and the liver gets impacted. So it's just finding the easy ways. It's not saying, hey, let's add more things to do to be healthy. Let's take away the things that don't support us. Right. And so just those kind of little practices. I wouldn't personally eat anything that's diet because of chemicals. Yeah, I just would stay away from it.

Because your body doesn't really know what it is. Right. Not really. And so when it's in the can, you go, oh, it has zero calories, but that doesn't tell you what it's doing in your body. And it's not zero anything in your body. Your body's doing something different with it. Right. Yeah. So people are like, I'm good. I got five of them. It's like, hi. I can't sleep and my eyes twitching. No, for all. Yeah. And so the chemical part for me, the non-food food food. Yeah. It's also something that I would just be mindful of. Right. Yeah. But you can't to stress about it or fret about it. or beat yourself up. That's why, like, for example, I don't like 30-day challenges because what if you get three days in and you blow it? And then you go, well, forget it. I'm not, Marty. It's like, hey, just keep doing the best you can.

Keep taking out the things, the habits that are hurting you. And then start to get a little deeper into it. Why do all of the tricks that I had when I was younger where I would, like, if I was eating a lot or whatever, I could just not eat that day and just drink a lot of water. and I'd be back in like a day. Well, that's the beauty of hormones. Uh-huh. And again, it goes up to toxic load. So because you and I have lived, you know, me, I've lived 55 years.

So if it's air, water, bad food, lack of sleep, stress, there becomes a load on the system that you accrue through time that doesn't allow your system to do its thing. Oh. And so we get behind the eight ball. Because it's just getting tired? All your systems are tired. Yeah. Your processes and your metabolic.

function. Yeah. It's just not quite, the communication is in a zippy and it's not as good. So, you know, we can't worry about it because that doesn't really help. Yeah. And I think it can feel overwhelming. So it's just going back to the basics and saying, hey, maybe if I feel like I'm behind the eight ball, I'm going to have to have these best practices longer than a day.

Right. To try to get in front of that. Uh-huh. And then once we get in front of it, we get a little more wiggle room and just try to do that. Yeah. You mentioned hormones. Well, like testosterone and all these things. These are incredible.

I mean, you can take a 15-year-old boy and you can't pay potato chips and his muscles go like that. It's fantastic. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Should we take testosterone? I think it is an interesting option for people if they get their blood work done. And I still always go back to those best practices. I'm sort of obnoxious about that because I'm like, listen, you can't put a Band-Aid on it by doing, you know, hormone therapy.

Yeah. It's like you still have. I think people, we don't give enough respect to sleep and recovery and also things like, I know it gets annoying, blue light coming out of our phone and our computers and our, you know, LED lights and our routers and our EMFs. So this is where it gets overwhelming. So it's going, hey, I'm not going to freak out about that stuff, but I'm going to acknowledge that it's tough on me. Right. So what can I do to offset it?

I can get to bed earlier. I cannot sleep next to my phone. I can turn the router off at night and, you know, just run from your children or lock your door. Because, you know, they freak out about that. Yeah. And I'll get up in the morning and look at the sunlight. Yeah. And it's just, I'll do sauna.

Yeah. Those little things. Yeah. Because we're not going to not have internet. When you said, don't sleep next to your, and you said phone. Yeah. I thought you were going to say spouse. Well, there have been sleep divorces.

I've heard about this. We're going through. I wouldn't say it's a sleep divorce, but we're definitely going through a sleep, maybe trial separation. Are you snoring? She is. Okay. And we're also in this stage where she's a teacher and she's coming to the end of the year. And so I don't want to keep her.

I know sleep is important for both of us. So you're in a sleep break. So rather than one of us, rather than ruin it for whoever needs it, it's better off like, if we're sensing it, I'll just sleep in the kid's room. not here. So I have a few feelings about that. Obviously, people have to do whatever's right for them, and you'll hear people and they have new kids. If somebody has to go to work, it's like, hey, why do we both have to suffer? All of this makes sense to me. I do think there's some weird connection exchange that happens when you sleep in the same bed. Definitely. However, I think, you know, if somebody is disrupting another person's sleep, then do that, but then also get to the root cause.

If there's a sleep apnea or a breathing thing, rather than just being like, oh, let's figure that out. Right. From a dentist. Yeah. You know, all those things. Yeah. But I will say this.

My friend Leanne told me that her and her husband started doing their own sheets. Even though they sleep on the same bed, they have their own sheets. So if you turn or yank or pull, you don't disrupt your partner. And she said it's actually been really helpful for her. So they're both in their own little cocoons. Yeah. And so that might be nice if it's that kind of situation. She said it's been a game changer.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, because I was thinking like if my, like my grandparents were probably on a, on a full-size bed. I don't know how they did it. Their whole lives. You know what I mean? They were just like thrown in there and just, you know, eating. Yeah, and the arms over.

Yeah. Like drinking and. But it's also a different time. Yeah. You know, they didn't have, they worked day to night. Yeah. They didn't have endless entertainment. So everybody kind of went to bed.

Right. And I think our food was easier. I don't think we were combating as many things. We didn't have 9,000 types of chips and 72 types of drinks. It was like back then it's like you had whiskey, water and milk and coffee. Right. So I think there were some things that were easier. Right.

Yeah, that's a good point. But that bed, there's no way. Oh, did you imagine? I mean, I'm 6.3 Laird is like, I'll be like, oh, yeah. Yeah, you just couldn't do it. I couldn't. I need a California king. Yeah.

I don't want to be, I don't want to snuggle when I sleep. Yeah, I love you. He's always like, sometimes I hold hands for a second. I'm like, okay, that was good. Is he sleeping? Yeah, it's good. Okay, I get my hand. It actually, actually just reminded me.

I remember seeing Laird in an interview where he was saying, you know, people talk about they're not, like they have a hard time sleeping and they're staring at the ceiling. He didn't do enough that day. He makes himself exhausted. Yeah. And he gets up very early, but he gets up very early naturally. I think people who surf generally, that's their lifestyle, right? Because you'd get up before the sun.

Right. And he's also part fish, right? I feel like he might be. Yeah. I see him the yearning when he looks out at the sea, like, why I'm on land and who are these people that I'm serving? That is the vibe. His gills start to try out. I'm like, I'm so sorry.

Sorry, you have to be here on land. I'm so sorry. Go jump in the pool. Yeah, he's always just in a bathing. suit, no shoes. He's ready. He's just ready to go. You had a post where he was in a robe and you question, you question, why are we wearing, why do we all wear robes in hotels? Like sit around and just be like, hey. I'm a big robe person. I think it's great. See, the problem is when you do it at home, it seems like you're depressed. No, it depends. It doesn't. Okay. That's like,

you have like an old dirty robe. Oh, but you're just kind of like your sick robe. And you're, but it's been the same one. You get a, yeah. And it's two in the afternoon. Keep it fresh. Get a crisp one. But you got to, but you got to take it off. Yeah. At some point because then it's like, no, you've been in a row. Well, you can't walk all day. That's what I mean, right? No, not all day.

No, like after the. At night, like, you know, before bed instead of sweatpants. Better. Robe. Yeah, and you can make it mysterious. Morning coffee. Lovely. Robe.

You robe it? Yeah. Is it what color? I've got two. I've got two. I've got two. They're both white, but one's thin and one is puppy. Oh, so you have a winter and like a summer robe?

Yeah. Oh, good. I describe it more as a, a sporty or a cuddly. So one, you're just trying to be sweet and one you're looking for action? Yeah. Okay, nice.

You're like, huh? I got the sporty robe on. That's the big benefit of, well, there's cameras around, but that's a big benefit of the kids being away. Oh, you can do, you can have been prom to? No robe, no clothes, no nothing. I know, it's crazy, right? Just walk right out.

And then you're like. And now my kids are home. I'm literally like, I have to put my bathing suit on to go to the sun because I'm going to go in the pool after. Just for the dip. But you don't, so stupid. Do you, are you, do you go naked in the sauna? Because do you cover your, you subject it to the heat?

I know. The shneedle. I take the towel. Okay, yeah, that's good. Yeah. But this is too private. Okay. Well, we've gone past that already.

You know, the way that men are constructed. Yes. Their testicles are out there so they don't get affected by the heat. of your body. They're supposed to be cooler. They also don't get as hot in the sauna. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah. You know, actually, too. That's a tip from Tommy. If you wanted to get crazy, you could, if it's private enough and your neighbors can't peer in, if you're able to expose your testicles to the sunlight for a few minutes. I've heard about this. It's true, though. Is it?

It's very true. Really? You ever see dogs? Yeah. They know. They go out there. My dog has his testicles. He's out there.

Yeah. It's very natural. And it makes you faster? It boosts your testosterone. It does. It does. I need testosterone. Don't we all?

I need it too. Do you ever think about just taking it? I'm actually going to get a little, like a low dose maybe. No, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm getting my blood work done actually this week. I've been working with Dr. Gabriel Lyon and Dr. Tina. And I'm going to look into it.

And that get crazy. If I need it, I need it. If I don't, maybe I need progesterone to sleep. Who knows? It could be one of those things. Maybe I'm enough from all my years. of training. So I'm not just going to do it because I have the fantasy of it. Yeah. No, but I have a couple friends that have done it and they do say like they have that energy that they perked up.

Naturally had when they were younger. Yeah. It sounds pretty good. You know, we've talked a little bit about sort of all these different things and, you know, I have a red light, but I have all these different things. But what I want to say is we weren't, we didn't really need all of this stuff before when we live sort of closer to nature. Yeah. And the way I utilize these tools is actually just to fortify because I do live away. My biology is not in harmony with my environment. So I'm not saying like, I'm let's hack to health. Yeah, yeah. But it's more like I'm just trying to do some of the things because we do live in a strange way. Yeah, it is a strange way. It's strange. Remember that movie Wally? Yeah. Well, that's where we're headed.

Yeah. They were just like grownups in little strollers with their big chubby feet. But that is, there's a fish down really deep, very, very deep. Yeah. And if you bring it to the surface, it's held together by the pressure of the depths. And when you, it looks like a gummy bear. And when you bring it up to the surface, it just goes like that. Right. For real.

It just falls apart. Like the eyes go and it just kind of goes like, well. And so I think sometimes we have to really fight against that. That's me for the first half hour of every day. How do you wake up? When you wake up, because I used to wake up like, let's go. Oh, yeah, no.

Now I wake up like, ugh, what's today? Yeah, what do I have to do today? Yeah, yeah. Half hour about, and then I'm good. For me, it's like more of my personality. Yeah. I wouldn't say I wake up like, you know, like I love when people wake up. But what I have learned to do, and it has made my relationship way better, probably about 15 years ago.

Yeah. I started waking up. And before I get up, I go, okay, what is, what's the day? What's going to, what part of my personality do I need to ramp up to get whatever done today? Right. And then I'm like, pretty lucky to be here. Yeah. And then I get up.

And I get up slow. And but by the time I get downstairs, because my husband is there first, because he's been up for two hours. Right. I am as nice as I can be. I wrote in a book years ago, shiny eyes. Uh-huh. Good morning. Yeah.

Because let me tell you, sets the tone, sets the track. And it's so easy to do. Yeah. And people go, oh, you're forcing it. Forcing it to what? To a result that is the one I want. Yeah. Which is, I want you to know that I love you and I appreciate you.

And I am happy to see you. Yeah. I'm just not awake yet. Right. Exactly. Because I'm going through that. My wife, because of school, she's been getting up earlier. And, but we're kind of overlapping.

So I like, do you hide sometimes? and wait for her to go. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes. But if I come in while she's like at the final moments of getting ready to leave, she's already been up. So I'll walk in and she'll say, good morning.

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Why are they so zippy? You know? There's nothing better. And I'm not a, I'm not like, I'm not a morning person. Like I'm good with that. But I just, this is the first five minutes where I just don't even know what's happening. I think, you know, there are times and people, people, you know, who want to, I like to be my genuine self, but sometimes I override that again

with my hope of the outcome I'm looking for. And even if I think, okay, he's going to leave in like the next three minutes, I just pull it together. And then I fall apart after he leaves and go back to being like, okay, you know, I'm in a fog. But for that first, I just try to meet him and be like, have a great day. I love you. I hug him. Yeah. Because that's the other thing is, and I don't know if it's being with somebody that has had a dangerous job and just living enough to go, it's so easy to just get on the treadmill and be like, yeah, I'll see him later. I'll see him later. And sometimes it's like, no, man, I'm going to take this exact moment.

I'm going to give you a hug. Yeah. Because I'm going to, I treasure you. And it's so small and it's so effective. Just that little, like sometimes. You know, she's rocking too to get out. And she's got all of her bags and all this stuff. Don't cling on me, guy.

And I'll be like, sugar, a little sugar. That's it. And just a pack before you go. That's a big difference than just going. That's it. Yeah. How do you feel about cheat days? I don't think people need to have cheat days.

I think they should be considered opportunities, right? So I think it's, you know, you'll watch Duane Johnson as a perfect example, like on a Sunday night. You know, because he's very disciplined. Then he has this like whole sushi. Maybe a guy like that. needs a cheat day because he's so kind of disciplined and everything's measured out. Okay, fair enough. But most of us, I think it's when you can sort of do all the things that you know are supporting

whatever goal you say you have. And then all of a sudden you go out to dinner or you go see your friend Tom Papan and he goes, I made this homemade bread. Here's an opportunity. Right. Now people will say, well, I have opportunities every day. Okay, well, then you have to sort of look at that. Yeah.

So it's, I always say it's not that I can't. It's that I, I just don't. Number one. So it's not taboo. I can do whatever I want. You know, and just giving people the power to look at everything, including relationships, does this serve me? Right. Is this really worth it? I'm kind of worth it. So is this worth it? So is this worth it? And it makes it easier. Well, this is, we do a thing on this program called Uncomfortable Moment, and I guess this is one of them. Here we go. What is this? Can you explain this picture? Oh, I love this. I wish this. I wish this.

It looks like it's you in a big time cheat day. Oh, I love this. I like the collared shirt. Trishi. My hands look small. Strawberry short cakes. It's so good. Cinnamon buns.

The thing is, I would, if this would be an opportunity, I would go straight for the cinnamon buns, by the way. Yeah. I would have a bite of all the things that were compelling to me. You would do it. Absolutely. And I would feel bad zero. Right.

That's the thing. You know what's the weirdest part for me? Like, thinking this is you. Me being coy. Is a big glass of milk. Oh, yeah, the milk. As long as it's whole raw milk, I'm good. There's a lot in there.

I love it. Yeah. You know, I think... It is hard. The carb thing is so delightful. Well, okay, so carbs are important. They help us recover. especially for people training.

So I don't think we should be afraid of any food. And actually, if, you know, people want to talk about performance. And I love the word optimizing. I'm like, oh, give me a break already. But the number one thing in life is to be adaptable. Like when people talk about resilience. Yeah. So I think anytime we get precious about anything, we're in trouble.

What do you mean? Well, you should be able to eat things. Yeah. And your body knows what to do and can feel, you know, pretty good, real things. Right. So I think we, it's important, but it's also good to go, hey, right now, maybe I could pull back on this and add a little more of this because it feels like it's the right time to do it. Right. It's getting warm. It's summer. Maybe you're touring. Yeah. Whatever you're doing. So you go great. For now, I'm going to do this. Yeah. That's exactly

where my head is at. Yeah. Because I've been, I was touring so hard and just feeling inflamed. Yeah. Really. Yeah. And it was like, I just have to kind of lean this out for a second. And it's not like any mission. It was just like my body was kind of saying, just do this. But that's the most important thing is that when we listen to ourselves. Yeah. We want something from the outside to tell us what to do. And I think that that's a mistake.

How should I exercise? Well, no, what is right for you at this time? Yeah. And like kind of don't bullshit yourself. Yeah. You know, it's like it's this two-prong thing of like, I have to really ask myself. And if someone's just starting out, then yeah, maybe you need to hand hold. and someone to go, hey, listen, let's get a plan.

Right. We'll map it out. Yeah. But once you get that, you kind of go, you know what? I kind of feel, ugh. Yeah. I feel stiff. My joints aren't feeling good.

You know, it's a weird thing. I'm on the Peloton all the time, like cycling. So my legs have, like, actually gotten more muscular. Yeah. And then I did squats the other day. Yeah. Just dumbbell squats. And better?

My thighs were wrecked. Oh, yeah. Well, anytime we do something new. Just switching that up. Take me to your yoga. class. I won't be able to walk for two days. Yes. It's so weird. It's great. Novel movement.

You're in such great shape. You're doing all this other stuff. At those things. Yeah. Yeah. Novelty is important. Right. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah. That's weird. Do you have any superpowers that I don't know about? Can you read minds? Can you your dreams come true? I do have a sense of people. Mm-hmm. I think growing up being, you know, tall, people always, you know, you know,

always could, would focus on me. Right. They didn't realize that they were totally revealing themselves and that I was watching them too. Uh-huh. And so what do you mean? Wait, what do you mean? Like they would-

Well, I think, so she is a younger woman, you know, people think that you're paying attention to yourself and that you're not paying attention to them. And so they're not guarded. Right. They're just there. And so you're like, oh, I see you. I can see you. But I wouldn't say I have a superpower.

I do have a good sense of people. And actually after coaching and like especially in the pool training because that water really reveals a lot about people, I do have a decent instinct on people. Yeah. But I think my superpower weirdly is so boring. It is. If my tip, my wing tips start moving, you know, one direction, I'm naturally a person who's trying to stay in a balanced way.

And so I think I... You know when you're off a little bit. Yep. And it is, like I said, incredibly boring. But it just seems to be something I grew up with. Yeah. That's pretty great. Why do you say it's boring?

Because it's dialed in and doesn't create drama. Yeah. So middle. Like, you know, I love when people talk about balance. Because if you think about balance, right, balance gets you nowhere in a certain way. For you to do what you do or anyone to be in pursuit, there has to almost be an imbalance.

Right. So I have to have enough imbalance in my life and be screwy enough to try to pursue. But in my like emotional climate, internal climate, I'm always trying to do this. Yeah. It's weird. It's like a. Yeah. Yeah.

Just natural. Yeah. Well, I mentioned to you earlier that I grew up with my aunt or uncle Joe. So I didn't always actually live with my parents. So I think it was a, it was like a self. protective. Why was that? You were...

My parents did not stay together weirdly and in an unusual way my mother trained dolphins at a circus in Mexico. I'm sorry, say that again? Yeah, I know. It's this hard thing

to lob out on the table. Train dolphins. Yeah, so she... In a circus in Mexico. Yeah, and my mother is incredibly like this very beautiful, tall, really talented person.

but I don't think they were equipped at that time. And I think they thought she might be better off here. And they probably were right. Right. Kids don't understand that at that time. Isn't it funny how you weren't really raised with her? And you both ended up marrying sea creatures. I know.

Right. She, believe me, if she could live with the dolphins. Don't kid yourself. She would be gone. She would be gone, long gone. In fact, I grew up in the, after that, when I was, I moved back with her at seven. Yeah.

She remarried and she was going to do research on dolphins. My stepfather helped her get a location in the British Virgin Islands. And she was going to, she was trying to do something with John Lilly because I really believe her heart was with the animals. Right. Right. It's like, they get me. Yeah. And I was like, that's good.

Yeah. Okay. There are people like that. I'll try to work this out. Yeah. It might take me 20 years. So then you were with your. Well, so I live.

with Andrew and Uncle Joe. Then I live with my mother and stepfather in the Caribbean, which is quite good, to be honest. I believe that part of the reason I'm in my marriage is because I grew up on an island and Laird grew up in Hawaii. I think there's some, yeah, I just think there's some baseline ways you look at things, your values that are very similar. And my biological father's from Trinidad. So I also, and he died when I was at five. So there's things I got to understand by growing up in a West Indian culture. Yeah. So, What is it? What is the island thing? Like, is there an example of? Well, you know, you're not in pursuit. It's an interesting thing when you're raised. And also, by the way, the adults that are, the supposed

adults that are in charge of you are, why are they there? Right. Why are they there in Hawaii or the Caribbean in the 70s? Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Like, who's in charge? So they're sort of like, you know, managing, I guess. Yeah. And so there wasn't a big load on like, what are you going to do with your life? And like, you know, be a lawyer, be a doctor. It was like, yeah, okay. Are you going to graduate high school? Great, you know. It's amazing because you and Laird are so high achieving and you did such.

Yeah, well, you know, I always joke, especially in sport. And Laird's different because he has a love affair with Mother Nature. But, you know, you have to be a little screwy. It's like even maybe you seem like one of the few comedians who doesn't have to be completely wounded to do what they do. But you sort of have to have a chink, something to prove, or, you, you sort of have to have a chink, or it's your only way out or something to like really pursue anything. Yeah. So I think it was a survival thing for me.

Yeah. And so, but there was no pressure of like we're supposed to be like this. Well, that's, yeah, well, that's what makes it pure. It's like when I remember that learning that with my older daughter at the very beginning. It was like, oh, when they do it for themselves rather than do it for us, then they're, then, you know, they're on to something. Yeah. And you don't get swept up. I often think when you're from an island, you don't get quite swept up in like I need like I want to have these titles and this stuff. You still are connected more with like, you know, does it do I enjoy this? Does it feel good? What's the value? Right. Not like, you know, do you know what I do for a living? Yeah. It's more in tune with your spirit. I think so. And I think in that long run that helps. helps you arrive at a place that is maybe a little more peaceful. Mm-hmm.

Are you peaceful? I think I have. I was thinking about you this morning and I was like, because you're always, because you're always, and this is why I love talking to you, is that you're always searching for better ways to live. But is there a part that could be a little too like, do you feel, do you feel like you always have to pursue or can you just be? That's a great question. I think it's curiosity versus I need to know the latest, greatest. So it's an openness and because I'm in an

environment that I'm exposed to a lot of things. My curiosity is like, oh, that's interesting. But generally, I'm pretty still. Yeah. And so I think it's a good combination. And the thing I'm trying to do now, maybe you can relate to this. I'm trying not to lock in to so many ideas and beliefs. I'm trying to keep an open mind and also be willing to like change my mind. Because I think that gets harder to do as you get older. Yeah. And so I'm really just trying to be sort of each day go, okay, well, I know I have these sort of biases and these other things.

but could I stay open? And my kids have really helped me with this, right? They kick your ass in a way that you're like, oh, God, okay. Yeah. I got to do some things differently. Yeah. Oh, with the recycling. No.

Whenever they've really like that. They throw it all to the same place, by the way. They do. That's a total scale. Oh, but my daughter, if she sees me. With the can and the regular garbage? Yeah, or even, yeah, even like a cue tip that has a paper thing. It should be, and she's like, what is wrong with you?

They throw it. They throw it all to the same place. I know it's going to pass. She'll be like me eventually. You just get tired. Yeah, but no, you're right. They do kind of, they do open you up. Like, you know, or even like driving.

I remember I would drive them. I always thought I was chill and cool. And they were like, you know, calm down. It was like, oh. Just seeing it through their eyes, it was like, hey, maybe I am uptight. Well, I am I cutting this guy off? No, for real. You know.

But do you have ever had this? My youngest daughter does this to me. Yes, I'm calling you out. I'll say, hey, like, that's not going to work or something. And then she's like, and then, and then you're like screaming at me about it's not going to work. And I literally said it that loud. And I'm like, are you serious? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. You know, and it takes it. Oh, the tales of my yelling and screaming. Oh, my goodness. Or I've learned now. She'll say like, well, can I do this? And if I used to say, well, I'll think about it. Yeah.

The next day, she'll be like, well, you said I could da-da-da. And I'm like, oh, I said I'll think about it. So now when she comes to me, I go, I'm not saying anything. Yeah. Because you're going to litigate and use this for me, against me in like 24 hours. We were just having this talk with my daughter when we went to the concert last night. She said, remember how I told mom that periods when you're texting are aggressive? I was like, yeah, she goes, look at this message.

And it was like, I'll see you there, period. I'm like, I can tell you, I've been with this woman for 25 years. She wasn't mad when she wrote that. She's an English teacher. Right, she's an English teacher. I think that that's, and so within there lies this interesting balance of, okay, I'm going to stay open, you know, to the world I live in today. Yeah. And try to have a stillness and be like, oh, that's interesting.

But still, yeah, but still be open. Yeah. That's good. That's good to know. Is there anything you've helped me so much? Is there any way I can help you before? Are we wrapping up? I think

Are we wrapping up? Where are we? I don't know. Do you have any major questions? I probably have some more. Let me ask you, when you bring a non-comedian, like someone like me, are they like, oh. Is who? Like your audience.

I don't know who they are. Are they going to be like, Tom, Papa, when are you going back to comedians talking? No. You know what it is? It's if they're interesting. I really think that that is the thing that makes people lean in. is, I mean, it's all dynamic people. Yeah.

But if it's something that they haven't heard before or something that they're learning a little something, I think that is the most exciting. Yeah. Do you ever have a guess that you never met before? Yes. And you've got to dance a little. Have you had that when you're trying to like get in there and figure out how to talk to them? Yeah. Must be fun to watch.

Yeah. How do you do it? Just keep if I, you know, we usually get them because I'm curious about it, right? So it just, but you can kind of, you can feel like some people aren't used to it or they're a little guarded. And yeah, I think it's just more like, just let them feel comfortable. I mean, that's this whole environment is to make you feel like, you know, you're coming to my house. Yeah. You know, in little Italy.

In little Italy. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I feel like we need those sausage, you know, like the Italian festivals where you go get all that food and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You want the provolome? We don't know what to do with it.

I think you should hang it somewhere. I know, we want to hang it. I think you need maybe one or two more. Maybe it's like a buoy. In case we'll go to life line. Just get a couple more and just go dung, dung, dung along the way. That is true. That's what that's exactly, you're exactly right.

It's that it's alone that makes it feel so weird. Just a low provolone. The Italians would be like, what is wrong? Yeah, we need like five. They're not cheap. I don't know if we have. Get the real ones. That'd be amazing.

Oh, the smell. And then you could eat them. And then you could eat them eventually. And then you get a vegan over the end. They'll be really offended. I'm triggered. I'm triggered. Are you?

Are you? Joe. Are you? See? That lines up. Lines up. He's the most stressful job. And he's not supported by animal protein.

Are you vegan or vegetarian? Oh, he goes hard. Hard. Wow. And pretty effortless. Yes. He's pretty effortless with it. That's amazing. Yeah. Even when we tease him, it still stays to it.

Yeah, so anyway, I can help you. I think you need to know. Just keep observing and keep saying hello to people and keep spreading. It is great. The joy, because I think right now, you know, it's funny. I was thinking about this in L.A., you know, everything's going on. And a lot of people are like, I'm leaving America, you know. Yeah.

And I or wherever, whatever state. And my feeling is, oh, yeah, no, I'm doubling down. Me too. I'm going to be twice as, you know, cool, twice as, you know, whatever I need to do. Yeah. Because if we all individually just sort of try our best, vibrate a little more, exercise, a little kindness. I really think we're not that far away from a sort of a turnaround or a much better environment. Yeah. And unfortunately for young people, especially, they get inundated. so much and they don't have enough context of it differently. Right. To be like, the world really isn't this way.

No, I know. I mean, this L.A. thing moment is such a perfect example of that. Everyone around the country is like, what has happened? Yeah. And it's like, what's happened? Yeah. I just drank a giant beer at a Tyler Childers concert with 20,000 people in L.A. Yeah.

And having the greatest time. Yeah. And, you know, they just, they go to that one block and they say, this is how the world is. And it's not. It isn't. And I think the way you do that, that really, that's why I was so appreciative and drawn to you in the first place. And I do think as people get older, it is actually their responsibility to make sure we're trying to find ways to protect, you know, the space and the younger people so that they can see beacons of people going like, oh, they seem okay. Yeah, right.

They don't seem completely. out of their mind. Yeah. No, it's really true. Yeah. Yeah. It makes a, it makes a huge difference. I mean, my grandparents kind of lived that way. You know, they were Depression era people. Yeah. And they learned really quickly, you know, appreciate what's around you. And it rubbed off, rubbed off on all of the grandchildren. We all just kind of carry that. Yeah. And that's just from, like, you know, a little lady with a poofy hair style, just like walking in her vinyl shoes. You know what I mean? But it's, and we don't give that enough credit. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. So just do that and keep making me bread when I see you because I really enjoy it.

All right, good. What are you going to do with it? What do you mean? I'm going to bring it home to my savage family. And just let them go at it like raccoons. Absolutely. Are you kidding? I appreciate it. A hundred percent. All right. Well, make sure you text me pictures of it. I will.

You're the best. You're the best, Tom. Great spending time with you. Yeah. And you have to hook me up with the nicotine people. I will. All right. I'll have to send you some.

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