Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 326 - Sarah Sherman

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

This week we welcome the fabulous Sarah Sherman to the table! She and Tom talk all about writing, traveling, and performing comedy. Check out her incredible special, and enjoy! Our thanks to Leesa! Go to leesa.com and use my promo code PAPA for an extra $50 off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yes. You are? Fuck yeah. People being like, this sucks. I'm like, you fucking suck. I don't know. I can't know. I don't know.

And I'm not too cool. I don't care. I'll read anything. I've actually enjoyed letterboxed reviews because it's, you know, people who like watching movies and stuff. and like they're going out of their way, they're making a review. Like people are like half a star. It's fucking,

literally when guys said this was worse than every genocide in history combined. And I'm like, amazing. Amazing. I couldn't, I couldn't. Or people are like, this fucking is so gross. And I'm like, yeah, good, exactly. Yeah, that's the point. So even the negative reviews have been,

because all you could ever want out of making something is that it is what it's supposed to be. It's breaking. bread. A good coffee is amazing. Like, I'll go to sleep the night before thinking about the amazing coffee I'm going to have. Me too. But it's like, I mean, I'm not, my tongue is stupid. Like, I'm not actually going to taste something amazing. Yeah. I'm not going to know the difference. Just tell me. But I'm always surprised when this is good. Like in the hotel room, a little, you just press a button and I'm like, oh. The, like, the espresso curing things in the hotel are, like, okay to use. The little coffee makers. Yeah. I heard some flight attendants say that the

they would clean their underwear in them because it's boiling water. Oh. And once I heard that, I was like, all right. I was wondering where my coffee tastes like discharged this morning. So nice to meet you. I'm excited that you're here. And in honor of you, I need more some color. I love it.

Yeah. This is Oscar Peterson, who's a piano. This is as flashy as I could get. And here's the thing. I'm not the kind of person who's going to be like, oh, yeah, of course I know who that is. I'm not pretending to know. Yeah, no, he's an old-time jazz piano player from Montreal. And I wore a bloody tampon pin for the Marinara sauce show.

That's so nice. When did you start being fun and colorful? I grew up being, like, obsessed with the nanny. So, I'm a Jewish girl from Long Island. So my aunt would take me to Fine Lane's basement. That's where Fran Fine would go on the show and get all her bright and say. This is actually very Fran Fine. Yeah.

I love the nanny. I love her. She was so good. It's legitimately the funniest show. Yeah, it really is. She's funny. She's stunning. It's fabulous.

Like, nothing's fabulous anymore. I know. I know. I was in a hotel. I was looking down at the parking, whatever, below me. Every car was white. Just bleh. Just white.

I appreciate the spectacle here. Thank you. Yeah, we keep adding to it. If you think, is there anything we could add? I guess. What would you do? You have Phyllis Diller. You don't need to add anything.

It's perfect. You don't need to add anything. It's perfect. Yeah. We had to, uh, we recently moved Jack Klugman over there. He was from the odd couple. Oh. My wife had a crush on him when she was, he was her nanny.

Like the nanny. Sure. And once I heard that that was like her crush, I was like, oh, I think I have a shot here. That guy. But nobody knew who he was, and he was prominent in the middle. So we had to slide him over. You know, it's funny, though, when we take pictures at the end, he's looming over us. I think we just have to, maybe we'll send you home with it.

Eric Andre, for my birthday, got me a framed picture of Polly Walnuts that he did a fake signature on. So it's like on my shelf in my house There's just this giant gold frame Bad printer paper picture fake sign By Polly Walnuts And it's always the thing in my house That people are like, what's that? Yeah, it's cool.

How long did you work with Eric? I met him. I opened for him at Comedy on State in Wisconsin And he thought me and my friend, Toler Wolf, the club manager at the time, we were living in Chicago and he was like, you two Chicago freaks would be perfect

for opening for Eric Andre this weekend so we took the bus to Madison and Eric thought we were like local Wisconsin comedians and so he was like his mind was blown because he didn't know we were Chicago hot shots you just thought we were cool kids

and then I started touring with him and that was just I was so spoiled I've been very I'm really spoiled with who I get to open for in my life. Oh, yeah? Him and then now I'll do like some Sandler shows when I'm lucky enough to be asked.

Yeah. So it's like, that's good. You know what? It's good to say your blessings out loud. It's 2026. I'm going to brag more. Uh-huh. Because guess what?

That's fucking fun and my life is awesome. Yeah, why not? Yeah. Sure. And you can still be even more awesome. Yeah. And you had your special come out in December. very good, very creative, very funny.

Thank you. Really. I don't know. I was like, when I perform, I'm just at a stool. I don't even take the mic out of the stand anymore. I'm just talking, even like in a theater, I'm just talking. And you had so much thought into every aspect. I had a lot of crap.

A lot of crap. And a lot of jokes. Like, it was stuff. Thank you. Stuff. Thank you. Thank you for saying this because, well, I'm doing a thing where, you know, being on S&L, you read like, you.

learn immediately do not read the comments don't look at the internet don't look at what anyone says about you because you know it's like everyone loves to hate s and it's like the thing everybody rags on sure um and you're getting like you know it's a it's a fucking tv show on the actual tv so you're getting like people like in a hospital who are like forcibly committed and it's like the thing on and the tv in the hospital so you're getting a kind of a lot of crazy energy but the special i went i just was like i'm gonna fucking cut myself I'm going to read every single thing anyone writes. You did?

Why? What was your mindset? I'm curious about what people think legitimately. Yeah. Because it's like, um... It's not bad, I guess. It's, I'm just curious. It's my first stand-up special.

I never put stand-up online ever. I was saving it all for this thing. Right. It's, I don't want to say it's like a challenging thing because it's a comedy thing. it's interesting and different so I'm just legitimately curious about what people think the special

Yeah exactly It's kind of different So I was curious And we took big swings And doing odd stuff So I was just curious what people thought And And uh uh

You know I'm looking so I'm seeing Right I am shocked So many people are like There are no fucking joke She just keeps like Repeating the same fucking stupid

Sound effect over and over again And I'm like, you know what? I resent that. I'm getting mad. Why am I getting mad? Now let it go. And I never fucking say this, but I'm going to say this. There's a billion jokes per minute.

Yeah. You could say you don't like the jokes. No, but there are hundreds of jokes. Rapid fire. Yes. And they're very fast. And I'll say it. It's because people are hearing a fucking woman's voice saying them.

You just don't like them. All right. Do you think they were distracted by the, other creative swings that you had? Like the sets colorful, you're doing sound, you're... Yeah, maybe. Changing lighting, like... It's, you know, when you...

Yeah, there's like a lot. Yeah, right. Let me compliment you right off the... I'll take it. It's 2026. I'm allowed to compliment people to their face. I love... I'll take it. I'm very excited to meet you because you are a creative force. Like, you...

When I watch you, I know that you're doing something creative. You're not just going down the path that other people have kind of put there before you. And it's really exciting. It really is fun and refreshing. And it just makes me lean in. And the same thing with the special. It was like, oh, this is, you're not going to just stand there at the, at the, at the stool like me and just keep going. Like you were doing, you were being very true to yourself and putting stuff out there. If I could extract a laugh, sitting on a stool and telling a joke without taking the mic out. Right. My life might be different, but this is just the only way I know how to do it.

Yeah, it's you. Yeah, it's completely you. Because you aren't playing it safe, you're going to confuse people. Yes. Especially when you first show up. Right. You do the same thing in another special. People will be a little more hip to it.

Right. They will catch up to what you're doing. Right. Right. And it's like, again, I'm like fighting an invisible enemy. It's like people just say shit. They're online. Yeah.

They're fucking jerking off and they're a hovel. Like, I don't know what they're doing. They're angry. They don't, like, I get it. It sucks as to be alive. There's no one who has any health insurance. Everyone's fucking pissed off. It's hot.

I don't know. I get it. But I'm like, you can't say there are no jokes in the special. No. There's jokes. Was that like a main thing that they were saying? Like, it was enough that bothered you? That's the thing that I've read over and over again.

Because a lot of the jokes are kind of extended. endurance pieces that involve noise making. I'll admit it. Traditionally, I mean, if you were to strip a lot of things off of it, you would just be left with a, oh, shitload of jokes. Yeah, and maybe if I talked slower. Yeah, and you were less fun. Yeah.

Or to your point, you were a boy. Yeah, which is so like, I know, I'm being so 2012 about it, but I was like, really? What do you mean that that's not a joke? Right. What do you mean me saying my piss is so thick and my shirt? shit is so running you no matter what I'm doing it in the bathroom I'm going number 1.5. Like that is a joke.

You can, it's fine if you don't like it. A crusty autumn leaf. Yeah. Exactly. That's writing. Right. How long have you been doing it? I did my first open mic when I was 16.

16. Yeah. In Long Island? I took the LIRR from Long Island to the Hogpit, NYC, and I did my first open mic wearing a bow tie. And I had some jokes about like, my virginity. you can find it at the Antiques Road Show. Like, I don't know.

Nice. But it was just like also like I was doing like shame comedy talking about like being embarrassed to be a virgin at 16. It's like. At 16. Hilarious, but it's also like it's still the same stuff basically. Give me your, uh, give me the, uh, the you at 16 finding the open mic. How'd you find the open mic and how did you make your little plan to go do it?

Me and my friends were addicted to comedy. me and my friend, my best friend at the time, Ethan Murmolstein, Jew from Long Island, lived around the corner for me. He was like, we're going to go into the city, we're going to find an open mic online. I don't know how he found it. And, well, because we were underage, so the only open mic we could do wasn't at a bar. It was at a barbecue restaurant. And the game was on. So, like, my first stand-of experience is classic.

It's competing with a football game and an active restaurant. People ordering food. People not there for comedy at all. Yes. Hostile environment. I remember the host saying something about the way I was dressed. I mean, he didn't know. I was a child coming up for Long Island.

16 years old. 16 years old. So when you were watching the nanny and stuff, you're like, actively your brain is like, we're going to go, we're going to go do this. I was obsessed. I wanted to be a comedian since I was like zero. Like it's so, you know, now. We know so many people who, like, got into comedy later in life or, you know, something.

Yeah. They never thought they were funny. Yeah, it's like I can't even, thinking you're funny is nothing to do with being a comedian. But I can't, it's so hard for me to relate to that. Yeah. I just. You just always wanted it. Yeah.

Were you doing characters when you were a kid that you would see on SNL? Um, yes and no. Like I was just doing yes and no. Like I was upset, you know, I was obsessed with comedy. So like my parents like showed me Gilda Radner and like got me the Gilda Radner box set DVDs. That was mine. That was yours, yeah. I would, my parents would pull me out at their parties and stuff to do Gilda Radner.

Oh, you did Rosanna, Van and, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Are you from? Where are you from? New Jersey. Oh, okay. Yeah.

There's something about SNL too. It's like a hometown thing kind of because it's like, it's down the street. You can see it on the horizon. Yes. You see the Empire State Building from wherever you are. Yes, exactly. And you're like, we can get there. Yes.

I, you know what's so funny? Like I think because I wanted to be a comedian when I was little. Yeah. You know, then your parents start having dreams for you about what they want your comedy career to be. Yeah. And so when my, you know, I moved to Chicago and I started doing like

kind of strange I don't want to say performance art because I feel like that connotes that it wasn't funny, but I was doing kind of odd behavior. I was experimenting in performance style and doing weird stuff. So when it became clear that like, you know, my

parents dream of me being on SNL was probably not going to happen because I was like doing basement shows with noise bands, you know, right. doing weird pub sculptures. Like my parents were getting like kind of nervous and scared and disappointed. And then getting on SNL was like a total accident. But it was just funny.

Like it was something my parents had always wanted for me. Right. I was kind of like doing this weird. I was going off on this weird journey. Wasn't on your vision board. Yeah. In a way where I think it's, I go to Jungian analysis. And it's a lot of like cultural archetype and symbols.

and because S&L has been around for so long, it's a cultural. Right. It is an archetype of everybody's shared unconscious. Like, it's existed for so long. So every comedian has, like, a really interesting relationship to it. Yeah, that's right. Because it's, like, this, like, archetypal symbol that we've, like, inherited from the unconscious. Yeah.

The collective unconscious, so. Right. You're going to have to deal with it. Yes. Yeah. So it's interesting. Yeah. And so you're, but you're not, so the way you're dealing with it at that age is, whatever,

I'm going this route just because I'm just going to. Yeah, it just. Be myself and just, do you have weird friends? Yeah, that helps. Yeah. Because this is very, your thing is very pee-wee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Your set is very, that whole opening was just.

Well, I worship him. Me too. Oh, I mean. That was my first thing on stage was in high school. I dressed as pee-wee. It was when his movies were coming out. And I did pee-wee, like, hosted some big event as pee-wee. Awesome.

And it was just so terrible, but I was so free and so exciting. I just loved him so much. So when I saw your set, I was like, oh, you know, immediately you're like, okay, this is pee-wee inspired. But your story is very pee-wee-esque. Yes. He was completely off into the woods doing his. own thing, experimental.

Yes, but he had, he was really career-driven. Like, he really wanted to make it. Right. And I'm, I always wanted to make it in the sense that it's like your biggest fear as a comedian. It was like, I'm delusional. Oh my God, what if I'm delusional and I'm the worst? You know, but I, there was like a, yeah. There was like a long time when I was in Chicago.

just doing the craziest shit to the point where there was no, I don't even know what I was thinking. Like how could that be a career at all? Like how could I put money on? How could this end anywhere? How could this be a business?

Yeah, like I'm like getting people on stage. I like, I had someone come on stage and blind folded them and like had them touch a bunch of worms. Like I don't know. But it's funny like I've been, you know, obviously thinking about

pee-wee my whole life, but more, you know, you're like, you get the special comes out, you do all these podcasts, and you know, so you end up talking about it and you're realizing stuff because you're talking about it. You know, because I'm not like taking my special that seriously, being like analyzing everything, but I realized, you know, I started doing stand-up with like weird bands and stuff,

but also doing like, the laugh factory, Chicago, whatever. But I always went up as Sarah Scoram because I was like, whatever. And sometimes I would get kind of like embarrassed because I would be just like at a club and people would be like Sarah Squamoram like what is this or whatever. And I realized like it was never weird to me because I grew up with Peewee. Like I always thought it never seemed odd to me that, you know. Yeah. Sometimes I'm not really.

Yeah. Yeah. Or like I'm not the rude person I am on stage. I'm kind of doing a thing. I have a little character. You know whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

But there was a time where I would be doing clubs and people being like Sarah Scorn. What was that? Oh, really? But it never was weird to me. when I started because I'm like, yeah, I'm Sarah Squirm. Yeah, yeah. But it is a weird thing now. It's like I'm a, you know, on SNL like I'm Sarah Sherman.

Right. Yeah. Is there much of a difference? Yeah, like, I was doing a show in Vancouver over the summer and the guy running the merch table, like the merch table was in the showroom. Uh-huh. And I, so he saw the whole show. and I went up to him after the show to be like,

how many shirts there's all over and howl it. And he was like, oh my God, I thought you were going to be like scary and mean. You're so nice. Not to pat myself in the bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I'm not like that crazy in real life.

But what a weird thing? Because you're in this moment where Sarah Sherman is really getting a lot of attention. There was like talk when I made the special, like, you know, me and the producers was like, should it be Sarah Sherman, live in the flesh? And I'm like, no. Like, I guess more people would see it because more people know who Sarah Sherman is,

I guess. I don't even know if that's true, but the stage or the venue, it's like not even on planet Earth. Right. You know, it's like, and the person on the stage is not. Good for you. Really? Good for you.

I mean, it's so easy to be like, no, you know, everyone knows your name, and we're going to try and do this, and it'll be good for you in the long run, and when you're out on the road. and people are going to connect it. Yeah. You're like, no,

but how about I just have fun and make this thing that I really want to make? It is confusing. I get it. Yeah, it's not that, you know. Yeah. It's not that far,

especially if you're a fan of comedy and a fan of comedy. Right. You know, and I mean. Yeah. It was funny, like,

when I audition for S&L, like, you know, I was just doing a show in L.A. Um, and then they like get your name from the, the lineup and then you get, you do all those auditions and whatever.

Yeah. So just from, them finding me at a show, like I was billed on the show with Sarah Squirm. So my whole audition process, I was just Sarah Squirm on everything. Right. And it says on my contract that I signed. It says Sarah Squirm. Oh, really?

Yeah. And then so when I got the job, Lauren called me and he was like, we think squirm is a little distracting. Are you okay with going Sarah Shire? I was like, yeah, no, yeah. That was, yeah, yeah, no, totally. I'll compromise immediately. It's crazy. So did you have any sketch background?

Oh, that's good. I always love when people just come from comedy. Well, it's so, like, this is my fifth year on the show. Is it really? Yeah. Holy cow. I'm fucking, I'm getting out there. You're like Keenan.

Where's my classic iconic recurring character still looking for it? Well, you got your update is probably the thing, right? Yeah, I guess. But it's like, you go into being like, fuck, I got to have like a, classic recurring character. Yeah. It's not like that. Do you have allies?

Yeah. You've got good writers around you. Yeah. Your pals. And the end of the special, the janitor comes, sweeps everything up. That's my best friend Jack Benzinger. And he worked on the special with me and he's the funniest comedian in the entire world. And he just started writing there.

So it's like I made a bunch of friends there. and it's like people I never I'm like so impressed by everyone and now this is like my first experience of like my friend from outside coming inside and I'm like look this is what I've been talking about yeah that's great but he has like a sketch background

because he would make his own sketch comedy you know but sketch it's like five years I still don't get it it's so hard it's hard it's hard what is what part of it? The writing of it? It's a sketch is like a thing.

It's like a dying art form because now everything's like internet, 12 seconds, whatever. A sketch is a beginning, a middle, an end, and there has to be jokes the whole time and it's a thing. Yeah. It has to start and it has to get a groove and a game and a thing and it has to end. Yeah. And there's like a definitive end and there has to be jokes the whole time and it has to have a thing. It's not a vibe. It's not a...

Yeah, there's no time. No. Yes. You can lose them literally in the first two lines. Yes. Yes. And I don't...

I mean, losing people in the first two lines, the hardest... And then you've got... They call them little cuties up top at work. Like, it's just like whatever stuff, you know, if it's an office and something weird's about to happen,

the sketch opens on people in an office talking and then something weird happens. Right. Hardest thing to do is the cutie up top because there has to be still a little funny thing happening before the actual funny thing happens. Yeah. Because you're going to lose people.

They're going to distrust where this is going immediately. They turn on you immediately. I've been betrayed so many times. I'm like, what? And you know you don't have the time to get them back. Ever. Because I'm like, this is it. You just got to go to the end.

Yeah. Yeah. This is it. Wait to you hear the callback. Oh. I feel like as an outsider, I would see SNL sketches. and be like, why are they fucking five minutes? This is so fucking long. What?

Or even like in the 90s or earlier, they'd be like eight minutes. And I'd be like, this is so fucking long. Now it's like, you know, they're like, hey, can you cut a minute out or whatever? Right. I'm like, I can't cut a single joke. You kidding me? Yeah. It's like now I get one.

So do you feel like you've got a little bit more of five seasons in now? Do you feel like, are you, do you have some confidence? No. It hasn't changed that at all. No. Really? Yeah. I don't, I think with Weekend Update, because it's the most similar to stand up, I'm like, I think I could figure out how to win some people over because it's a similar dynamic with a live audience.

Yeah. sketch I'm still I have no idea what works at all ever it's kind of crazy though because Sarah Squirm is essentially your recurring character

you have it it's just I know what you mean when you're in a stand-up mode and you're out there on update if you feel the energy you can get them You know you have the tools. Yes.

I'm going to. You can win them back. And there was a kind of a learning curve with that too, where it's like at first I was like I could come out as myself and be like I kind of, this is a dynamic that is more familiar to me. Then I slowly started incorporating like character. Right. Yeah. And so that was hard. Yeah, yeah.

Isn't it so strange like just being two millimeters away from more. what you do, you think it's a magic trick. Yes. The sketch people look at you and think, oh, how? And then you look at them and you're like, what? Yeah. It's so bizarre. Where do you like to eat in the bottom of Rockefeller? Do you get to go down there and get snacks and stuff?

Well, this is what's interesting for no one. I spend so much time being anxious at that job that my diet becomes very limited. Oh. Because I'm like I'm an anxious, nervous Jew. So like my stomach is very sensitive. Oh, no. So I have like every, basically every day, I have the same egg sandwich from this place daily provisions. Nice.

It is a poppy seed roll with an egg and nothing else. Poppy seed, that's pretty risky. I know. And I have a poppy seed gap in my teeth. Oh, you do? Yeah, I do. I've always like, you got some shit in your teeth. The price to pay.

Yeah, right. Do you feel like it would be better if you were just slightly different than what you are and had been Italian rather than Jewish and then you could eat your way through your anxiety. Yes. If anything was different about me, it would be great. I would love it. I would welcome it with open arms. It could just be somewhat,

it just make me slightly different. It's just I spend, like, even, I'm out in L.A. Like, I had to do a job, and then I had to do, and then, like, I'm doing a podcast, and seeing friends, like, something like, and all I have to do is send one fucking email. Right.

it's not that hard. I have one email that I have to send. It's got some information in it that I've got to do. I have all the tools. I have all the information I can't do. And every day I go, I'm like, what is wrong with me? Like, literally. That's not you. I have that too.

I think we all do. Yeah. I have that too, right? Danielle's always bothering me. And always sending me things like, we need an answer on this. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. And I really want to help you, Danielle. I know.

And I stare at it. And I'm like, but I have to make a decision about one little thing in there. And I just can't right now. Every time tax season comes around, my accountant is like literally what is wrong with you? Like, all you have to do is just tell me this one thing. And I'm like, I have a disease that you can't understand. Yeah, it's called a brain. It's called an active brain.

And you're thinking of the scenarios and like maybe is this wrong? Is this right? And I'm like parallel. I get like mental polar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's terrible. See, Danielle, it's a normal condition.

It's just a normal thing. He's talking. He's right. By the way, the fact that you're even in the same room and you guys are talking, like, that's amazing. If I am in a situation, it's like you can't, you can't find me. You completely do off the grid. Yeah. Like, good luck.

Can you go off the grid? Can you? This thing of just going and reading all the comments, by the way. Let's go back to that. Yeah. How did that experiment, how did that, other than you getting angry about the joke comments, would you do it again? Was it a mistake? I am going to do it in the car ride to wherever I'm going next.

I'm going to keep doing it. I'm in. Are you responding? Yes. You are. Fuck yeah. People being like, this sucks. I'm like, you fucking suck.

I don't know. I can't, I don't know. I don't, I'm not too cool. I don't care. I'll read anything. And like, at. I've actually enjoyed letterboxed reviews because it's, you know, people who like

watching movies and stuff and like they're going out of their way, they're making a review. And I really like a lot of the negative reviews I'm getting on letterbox because it's the intended effect as being, is happening. Like people are like half a star. It's fucking, so. Literally one guy said this was worse than every genocide in history combined. And I'm like, amazing.

Amazing. I couldn't, I couldn't. Or people are like, this fucking is so gross. And I'm like, yeah, good, exactly. Yeah, that's the point. So even the negative effects, the negative reviews have been, because all you could ever want out of making something is that it is what it's supposed to be. Right.

Like, not that it's like, I didn't want this thing to be the best thing ever. I just wanted it to be what it was supposed to be and what I wanted it to be. Right. What was your mindset? You know, okay. Sorry if I'm making you anyway. I don't know. No, no, no, it's very, I like that I'm having this conversation with you. Okay.

Because I actually have a lot to say. Okay. Stand up comedy is a live experience. You are in a room full of people. You are talking to them. There are jokes. It's a performance, but it is live. Yeah.

But we live in a consumer culture right now where the special is the thing. there needs to be a creative product. There is a special economy. Yeah, and then that special has got to be cut into clips, and those clips have to be posted, and then people realize you're finally, effing realize you're a stand-up and we'll buy a ticket. Yes.

You're right. It's a beast. I think that scares me, because I want to be doing comedy for the rest of my life. I want to sell tickets on the road for the rest of my life. I don't care if I never can fill a theater, whatever. Right. but I don't know if I can keep up with like the output that everyone else seems to be doing

like a special every couple years like clips constantly like I just can't do that and that's okay Sarah um why do you think you couldn't it took me this long to do one special and I've been doing Santa for like 10 years yeah but you like we said in the beginning it's so packed with stuff yeah that, yeah, that it's, that pace is a, is a beast. You created a beast, but you can kind of tweak it a little bit and I don't know. I'm curious what's going to happen with me. Your problem is you've got a bunch of different talents. Well, I'm not good.

What is it? Jack of all trades master of completely long. Yeah, but, yeah. And I'm slower. Like, I am slow. taking me 10 years to write an hour and a half of material that's fine. And I don't know. I'm just slower. I'm like it takes me longer to find a good joke. But weren't you at this stage, that 10 years, that 10 years is growing and developing and figuring it all out. And now you're

kind of this, you kind of found yourself comedically. Yeah. It's not going to be another 10 years to figure out the next step of it. That first one is like, you know, Yeah. It's going from a fetus to a toddler. You know what's funny? Do you ever watch? I'll watch my friend's first stand-up specials. Yeah.

And it's like even, you know, I'll know someone for like two years, not even that long. Yeah. But you know when you watch that for special, you can kind of tell what someone's like first, like, awesome joke was. Right. Yeah. And it's like I feel like, you know, my friend Ronnie who produced my special with me.

like he could tell which of my jokes was like one that like I've had for eight years. That was like my first real like awesome joke. That was like my first big closer. Yeah, yeah. Of course. It's funny when you can, it just has like a patina on it. Yeah, well, that's the thing that we're all experiencing because of the beast and having to put out this special clip culture, feed that part of it. It doesn't get to age.

The stuff does not get to age. And when I go out and do like a private show and we'll break out, these people have no idea who I am. And I will break out a joke that is 20 years old. Yeah. And it will kill in a way that nothing else kills. Yeah. Because it literally, there is a thing of it just maturing and ripening that you can't replace with its time. It's literally just time.

And the problem is if you're doing something every two, every three years even. So what's going to happen? It's going to get worse and worse. Yes. Like everything else, it's going to get worse and worse. I don't know. I don't know. I agree, though.

And I will say, like, there are some jokes that are in my special that were funnier five years ago. I do believe that there are. Sure, you can rot. Yeah. You can ripen and then you can rot. Yes. Yes.

But it's so, maybe I'll just dig my heels in and I'll be that comedian that puts out a special every 10 years. Every 10 years. I don't know. I can't imagine. Well, as your manager, I would say, you're going to have enough going on in between. Yeah, your lips to God's years. You're still see you.

Your lips to God's ears. You're not going to disappear. I could. You're not Johnny Comedy who just does that, and then where have they been? And then you come back in a whole other generation is to discover you. We don't know what's going to happen. You're going to be in people's faces to the point where they're going to be so sick of you. I hope.

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That's another thing. Yeah. I got my working papers when I was fucking 16, 15 or whatever. What was your first job? Lifeguard. Oh, nice. Of course. I was lifeguard for five years.

Nice. And I like to fucking work. And I will do a job. I will do anything. I have done crazy jobs recently. Really? That I won't speak of. But it's quite interesting.

Why won't you speak of it? I've like, I hosted a weird game show. Yeah. That's all right. Hell. Why not speak about that? Were there cameras there? Yeah.

Are we going to find out about it eventually? It's on. It's on now. Yeah. All right. Shit. You got to host a game show. I have.

Wait, what did you host? I hosted a thing called the marriage ref. Oh. Which was, it was married couples that would get in fights. And then they would make their case. The idea was the relationship fight never ends because you need a third part. So someone's got to come in and hear both sides and go, no, you were right and you were wrong. I did that.

I did this awful one called boom. It wasn't awful. It should have kept going. But it was a terrible concept. It was a quiz show, but it was in the shape of a wily coyote bomb. Awesome. And every time you answered a question, you had to cut a wire. And if you got it wrong, shit would blow up in your face like Nickelodeon.

Awesome. But it was during a time when there was a lot of terrorism. And people were like, what are we doing? Right. It was an Israeli format. Awesome. They were like, we don't care. But the rest of the world was like, no.

We like those. Yeah. Exactly. I think that's like a real, I was like, I was stoked to host a game show because it made me feel like a real comedian. Like there's so many things.

Yeah. Especially now, like everything feels so nebulous and weird. It's like streaming internet, whatever, whatever. There's these, there's these things that make me feel like a real comedian. Right. The classic.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So hosting a game show, I was like, I'm like, I'm a fucking comedian. Like, but it's like not your passion project, but it's like, I'm a working comedian. Yeah.

Or like doing a college. Like I never get corporate gigs so I'm very blue. Right. But it's like I would like to be a comedian for hire. Yeah. You'll get them with the right company. You'll do it. Like I have dirtier comic friends.

Yeah. They'll get hired not as frequently. Yeah. But they'll, you know, like Facebook will come in or not care. Right. Sure. Yeah. You're like going to be our midnight madness creature feature.

When we're going to really let it go with our. name tags Yeah. Let it rip. Like I think that that's my fear is that people like see whatever the special is and they're like, freak, that's freak shit. And I'm like, no, but I am a comedian. Yeah.

But you know what? It made me think of, um, of, uh, Whitmer Thomas. Yes, yes. You know what I mean? And yeah, I love him. He's so, very similar to you. He's very creative force doing their own thing and different, uh, Enterprise rental car may not want you for their Christmas party.

Yeah, yeah. But some cool director is going to want to scoop you. He has like, he, his straight stand-up jokes, he's got so many that make me fucking laugh out loud. Yeah. Like,

he is, like, his shows are awesome because he's got a guitar and there's all this cool stuff. But it's like, when you see him, just do straight stand-up with nothing, it's like,

it's also hilarious. Yeah, he's, yeah, same as you. And that's the thing. but I bet a lot of people would say the same thing to him. Like, where are the jokes? And it's like, there's a... Yeah, right.

Right, right, right. I know I immediately was like, it's because I'm a fucking woman. You hate women. You all hate women. I get so mad. Women are a lot to take. I know.

They're really, they're a lot. And they're shrill. They're shrill. They have attitudes. And it's like, get back to the fucking kitchen. You know, this brings me to the uncomfortable moment portion of our... of our program.

We do a thing on here called Uncomfortable Moment. Do you want your bread? I do. I bake that for you. That's why I really want it. It's been sitting there for long enough. Danielle, can you text the? How do you even cut it with this?

Well, this is I, because I bake so much bread, have new products out on Nomba. Oh. This company decided to make bread products with me. That's cool. And this is their knife. And this is the cutting board where the crumbs go in between. I never understand when people are like, oh, I can't eat.

Like, I'm cutting carbs out of my diet. I'm trying to lose weight or whatever. It's like, how could that be? Don't eat that. That would be too tough. I said, don't eat it. It's delicious. Oh, we have olive.

Do you like an olive? Wait, so what kind of bread is this? This is a country loaf. It's amazing. Is it good? Yes. That's crazy. You can just make bread.

I make it all the time. That's crazy. The only reason I do the podcast is because I have nobody else that will take the bread. Thank you. Thank you. Let me cut this one more time. All right, you can peel. Yeah, I'm obsessed with bread.

You know who else? Speaking of food, you know who I'm really good friends with is your friends, I think you're friends. Stavros. Stav! Right? You're speaking of bread. That guy likes to eat. He was talking about people that just eat for note without thinking.

I love, Sav. Isn't he? Are you guys friends? Yeah. Yeah. We're real. I would consider him. I'm going to say this on camera.

Mm-hmm. One of my closest friends, I don't know if he'd say that about me, but Sav, I'm putting that on it. I'm putting that on record. Oh, really? Oh, that's nice to hear. I adore him. I talk to him so you didn't text me back, no problem.

I'm credited with, uh, plucking him out of, uh, Maryland. Oh, really? He was a little child. When you were, like, come open for me? I found him on YouTube and asked if he would open for me. Oh. Yeah. So, without me, a.

America. There's no Stavros. There's no Starry's world. This is amazing. Is it good? It'll be even better toasted. Are you going home or are you staying in L.A.? I'm staying in a hotel. So that's why I was actually really excited that you brought bread because I'm like in a hotel. I'm starving. It'll be good. You can get some butter from room service.

I told you I'm Jewish with an upset stomach. I can't do dairy. Oh, come on, really? That's why I was excited you had olive oil. Yeah. So it's because the, yeah, butter's hard to keep. Really can't have butter? Hmm. I'm a sad boy.

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I clench my jaw so hard that I have like bone growths under my tongue. Oh my God. What's going on? I don't know. You got to eat more. That is not my problem. Okay. As your manager.

Yeah, right. Maybe this will bring you peace. Maybe it's not an uncomfortable moment. Maybe this is a moment of clarity. You know, there's a movement out there, and you probably have thought about it, and you're in New York, and you're this cool kid from Long Island

and doing creative shows and having to buy all cool clothes and keep up your image and do all the things to make you feel like, make America feel like this is our gilda. Or you could embrace trad wife culture. And just give up. That's amazing.

And just give up and just maybe you'll learn to bake bread. I could not be a trad wife because I can't eat butter. No. I can't even be outside. Like, you got to be outside. I can't be outside. I'm too Jewish to be trad. I look amazing, though.

Yeah, you're very cute as a trad lady. I would make you my property. I'm more trad than people with. think. I'm a straight. I got a normal boyfriend. He is normal. Is he? Mm-hmm. Is he in show business? Really? He's in geography school. Geography school? That's weird because it's not even a school. I know. It's not even a thing. There was someone was like, I told my friend he was going to geography school. And he was like, you know the arrested development joke. Buster Bluth is going to Maps going there. He's like, he's And whatever, Jason Bateman's character is like, didn't they find everything already done?

Oh, right. How long have you been with him? 12 years. Wow, you are Normie. I know. I know. I like, we both worked at the college radio station. I was 19, and I was like, you're my boyfriend.

And he was like, okay. At first he was like, no. And then I was like, yes. And then he was like, okay. What school? Northwestern. Oh, nice. Normie. Theater?

Yeah, but then I didn't like the theater so that I did art history. Oh, yeah? Yeah. But I went to Chicago. I was in high school, and you have to meet with the guidance counselor, and the guidance counselor tries to help you go to college or whatever. And I was like, he's like, what do you want to do? And I was like, I want to be a comedian.

So he's like, go to Chicago. That's where the comedians are. And I went, okay. And then I got to Northwestern, and I was like, this isn't Chicago at all. It's quite far. Did you, how long did you stay in Chicago when you went? I went, five years after college. I was in Chicago.

For five years? And you went, did you come back to New York for comedy or did S&L bring you back? I was doing comedy in Chicago for five years, hosting an open mic being crazy. A very hip show. Right? Yeah. Do I know you? We're all the cool kids.

We have, haven't we? Yeah. I've been friends with Wyatt and Lou. Oh my God, we did me before. Here you go. We're hanging out. We're hanging out later at Capri Club if you want to go. Oh, really?

Yeah. Cool. I'm going to stop by it. Okay. Wait, I'm doing Luke's podcast after this. Oh, no way. Yeah. He has a new podcast called Stores about stores.

That's sick. That's funny. I knew we had met before. Okay. There you go. Nice to see you. What's up? No, not weird.

And he let me know about your, your cool show. Yeah, I had a cool show. All the cool kids went. So that, everything from the special, that's from that show. Oh, really? Like all the crazy videos. Like, my friends, Luke and Wyatt would help me film all those crazy videos and stuff. Yeah.

Very cool. It was cool. And then I met Eric, Andre, when I was living in Chicago. And then he was like, like, come on, let's go. So then I made Luke and Wyatt all my friends move to L.A. So I could like, you know, oh, my, let's move to L.A. And then I was here for two years in the pandemic. And then I got SNL and then I moved back to New York.

So you never went through the bummed around in the New York scene. Wow. And I did. You're such a New York vibe. That's funny. Well, like just coming up in like, you know, I'm very Long Island girl. And like I just think all the time about like when I was first doing comedy, doing it in the safety of Chicago,

no one saw. Right. And like if I was making mistakes, like in New York in front of like fucking fancy comedians or LA, like I can't, I can't, I don't know how people come up now. I don't know how people come up now in general.

Like if I was making all my mistakes on the internet for everyone to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How'd you get John Waters? I emailed him. Really? That was it? Yes.

I was like, I love you. I'm your biggest fan. And I was like, I want you to bring me on stage for my special. Here's the scene partner you're going to be talking to. And then I drew what the pile of bones and guts and goo looked like. And I'm like, yeah. And then, oh, bread related. Yeah.

So at the bottom of the letter, I'm like, if you're down, like, I humbly groveling my hands. If you're down, just like, call me. Yeah. I had a really bad therapy session and I was like feeling like shit. And like my therapist office is right next to this like cafe that has really good baguettes and bread. I just got a whole fucking loaf of bread, sourdough. Yeah. And I got out of therapy.

I was like, and I was walking out of the street back to my house with the fucking sourdough bread, just eating the loaf of bread. It being like, fuck my life, whatever. And I got a call from an unknown Baltimore area code number. And he was like, hey, it's John Waters. I'll see you on set. and I was like, amazing. Yeah.

So I was eating bread. Yeah. When he called me, yeah. Oh, man. The whole time in that story, I started not caring about Chodin Waters and just cared about. What happened about the bread? Yeah, I was just about the bread. I was like, oh, man, I wish you had a toasted.

I'm happy. I'm happy. As someone who's got TMJ issues, I'm happy it's not toasted. Do you have to wear a night guard thing? I have my TMJ guy, he had to build me a new night guard. He had to invent a night guard. A special one? Yes.

It's really crazy that he's sculpted in my mouth. It's top and bottom. Jeez. And it has like fangs so that because my problem, I'm like, in my, so it has fangs so that my teeth aren't going like, they can't go like this. They're like locked. And it's top and bottom. And it's hilarious. And I have to wear a day guard.

A day guard too? Because I'm like clenching my teeth all the time. Really? Because I'm like so high strong. God, it's such a weird combination. I know. Human beings are weird. I know.

Because like you're, you, you could be the same person without a creative outlet. Who knows what you would be then? This is why people kill. Like that you're able to express and like do, right? Yeah. Like, with how creative you are, I would think that you would be able to diffuse some of that energy. But it's also that energy is the thing that actually makes you. creative. What a weird

little combo. Because what are like kids are either anally explosive or retentive it's like just because they're anally expressing it just because you're exploding it doesn't mean it's going to stop it's still there. Right.

Yeah. I think about this all the time like creativity is interesting because it's like so many different forms too. It's like fucking surgeons or the what are the air guys. Yeah. They're creating new ways to do, figure out a problem every day.

Right, exactly. It's just like problem solving or something. You're like. Yeah, but the creative, you're kind of creative is solving problems that you're just creating. Yeah, I know. Really, we just kind of like paint these things and problems and then trying to attack them. Yeah. You know, I know Stavv because my friend who used to do this comedy group,

weirdo comedy group called WAMCity Comedy out of Baltimore. Ben O'Brien, he was friends with Stob from like the Baltimore comedy scene. And I was friends with Ben from like weirdo comedy stuff. And we shared like an art studio together. One day he walks into the art studio and I was building a paper mishay butthole and having like a mental breakdown over it. And he was like, look at what you're taking so seriously. It's a butthole.

And I was like, right. Right. Right. Is that, is paper mache the main medium or is you do other? I used to really love paper mache. Yeah. But I don't make, I haven't, I'll do anything. Do you paint? Yeah.

You have that skill? I used to more so. I think that's why the special was so crazy because I was getting my rocks off, doing all the stuff I haven't been able to do since I've been on SNL. So like, the set was like, I had sent those. poor set designers, 8,000 drawings. Oh my God.

And they're the best. They like ended up like putting them like in the set. Like all the teeth and stuff like I paint, you know, whatever. Yeah. But just like. They must have been excited because they normally right. Have to just like, do you want the blue curtain or the red curtain? Yeah.

Do you want a crazy light from the size? You always funny. They were like there is a red curtain behind me that reveals like an LED screen. Yeah. And I, like, was like, oh, it should be Polka dot slime, whatever. And they were like, no, it should be a red curtain.

Yeah. Because it is, you're doing a theater show. Right. And so I do like that behind me in my special, there is a red, a classic red curtain. It's covered in Pocodots. Right. But it is a red curtain.

If all this fell down, we could host a game show. Yeah. Yeah. How was the game show? Did you like hosting? It was challenging. It's hard. It was a competition show.

So I had the ear pieces in and you got like five people talking. And I had like two co-hosts. I'm like talking to them. And then I'm like talking to the contestant. So it was like kind of a lot to juggle. And we would shoot like 12 hours a day. I would do like a bunch of them at once. Yeah.

So it's like I have extreme respect for show hosts at all. anyone like the ESPN guys like all that stuff I've done a soap opera I have that that same that's like they're off they have to they get the night before like 30 pages they have to be off book the next day crying you know I mean like there's so many skills I know I know what's your favorite I mean I this is so lame to say but making the special that was my favorite thing ever yeah because it's like I got to perform in it but I also got to do all this other stuff and I I got to do all this other other stuff and then I got to do all this other other other stuff. All of you, a big expression of you. Yeah, yeah. That's what it felt like. Yeah. Yeah.

Right? And then without like knowing you, you feel like you do it a little bit more. Yeah. Bowen Yang said the best thing anyone could have ever said to me, he saw it, and he goes, it's so you. And I go, okay. Well, I said it too. But I didn't know you. Yeah.

He knew you. Right, right, right. Do you miss Long Island? I know. Will you ever go back to Long Island? My parents are there, so I'm there a lot. Long Island. You dirty, fucking piece of shit.

Because I'm from the other Long Island, New Jersey. Yes. And sometimes I'm like, I could go back. And my wife is like, who's also from the same like area, town that I grew up in. She's like, no, we're not going back. She's like, don't you remember all the things that made you a problem? It's like all reaction to the problem. No.

Yeah. Do you ever get handed sketches that and you're like, this is the kind of sketch I don't want to be in, but you have to be in it? Yes, of course. Of course. What are the ones you don't like to be in? Like the type of...

There is, um... How do I say this? Lovingly. Sometimes it's really hard. A lot of the stuff that I'm doing right now or I've fallen into now is straight person reacting to something crazy. That is because it's real acting, it's real grounded acting, it is very hard for me.

And it's not that I don't like to do it. It's actually fun because, I mean, the cool thing about the show is you're getting to try all these different things. You never would have ended up trying. whatever. There was a sketch. It was like Shane Gillis was hosting. Michael Chey wrote it.

It's really, really funny. It's like, bride is at the altar. And, you know, someone's like, any objections. And then her ex comes on to the altar

and is like, I want to redeem this coupon for one, like, free blow job or whatever. And so he's being really crazy and he has a lot of jokes and he's being really funny.

And, like, my job is to be really ground and like reacting to what he's doing. And it's so hard for me because you're like setting the flow of the sketch. It's like you're keeping the ground of the sketch. Right. But I'm such a hysteric.

I'm a hysteric. Right. So do you to play? My problem is always like, you know, I'll be like, what? You know, if it was me, I'd be like, what I'm going to do you or whatever? Or like, it's like finding a way to like keep it a level straight man, but also keeping it dynamic. Because like he gets crazier and crazier and crazier and crazier. And, you know, there's the culmination of it.

There's like, there's an increase in absurdity in the sketch because it's building. Right, right. So it's a way to like keep the solid foundation, but also like keeping it dynamic. So I'm not just going the same note over and over again. Right. And it's so hard for me. to do and like i'll you know hidey gardner um is the best actor of all time yeah and so i would be like i'd be like what am i how would you say these lines how would you do it and she's like what are you

talking about you're doing like great like it's not it's not it's not that deep you know what i mean it's just like i'm reacting to because you normally would be the the person building i'm like that like how can shane stay the funny one how can all these jokes land because they need like a springboard to bounce everything off of, which is me because I'm keeping the floor. Yeah. But how do I do without staying boring and one note? Yeah. And so when I'm up in you that wants to like pop in and do something.

But the stand up in me knows, in order for a joke to work, I know what I have to do. You know, Lauren always says like that I'm standing there the whole, like, he's like you're going to catch flies in your mouth because I'm saying they're going like, what? Yeah. But it's because I'm like legit, like shocked by something. Yeah. And that's how you naturally would react. So it's hard. And that is the sketch that I think of because I had, I think, even the same lines over and over again. Like, what? What are you doing? What are you talking about? What are you saying? Why are you doing this? Playing straight. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. It's really hard. But it's not, that thing's not funny without that. You need it. You need the joke. Yeah. Whenever you watch something and they don't show a reaction to it. Yes. Who's directing this? Right. Right. And then that's a You forget that that's like where the laughs come is the reaction.

Yeah. So it's like, I think sometimes people think like, oh, being the straight man is the boring part. It's actually not. And it's different every time and different jokes and sketches call for different. Yeah. Showing up to the sketch in different ways. How's your boyfriend dealing with you becoming a well-known person?

Is it a weird? I could use to be more well-known. Well, you're getting there, kid. I don't know what I would do without him because I don't, I have such a like, this sounds, all I'm doing today is bragging. I have such a solid foundation. He is like a normal, not only like normal person. He's like the funniest person, the planet, but he doesn't have the personality disorder we have,

which is like, we need everyone to know. know about it. He doesn't have the needy part. Yeah. He knows he's funny and he's okay with he. He doesn't need 1,200 people to keep telling him over and over again. No, it really was funny. He was really good. He's on an infinite black hole of just like, you know, and like, so doing the job is just like, you know, you're out and like people, you know, you're like bombing or people hate you or people love it and they're like if you don't have like something to come home to that's it's like what do you what happens yeah like if i eat if i bomb and eat shit i come home my boyfriend loves me it's all good right not it's all good obviously because i'm grinding my teeth to a

down to nubs but you know what like what would it be if i didn't have that yeah yeah yeah you had someone equally as needy or whatever yeah like i get you know i see you know double comedian couples and it's like they get each other they got they understand but it's like well those are to mentally ill people in the same house. And he's got, I mean, he's not, he's not, you know, it's all he doesn't have his, yeah. He is perfect, actually, so.

Sorry, ladies. Yeah, well, that's good. And that's, that means that he's solid as your, as things are taking off and stuff. There's a lot of guys that would not be able to deal. You know, that's so funny. It's like, I forget about that. Yeah, it's a thing.

but I'm so like my dad had a mantra like growing up where he was like he would be like I would come home from school he'd be like any boys talk to you today and he would always be like let me tell you something you're never going to be financially dependent on a man you understand me and I was like okay so I was like always working whatever I've never been financially dependent on a man wow they really stuck so it's like I've always liked that and I have like an emotionally secure boyfriend who's like yeah yeah go fucking make money so are apartment can be nicer. Right. Is your dad still around? Uh-huh. Nice. He's my biggest fan. Yeah. Oh, that's the best. Yeah. Does he come to shows? For real. Yeah. He, like, I went on Jimmy Fallon and I was like, my dad loves the Rangers and he like got up and like started screaming the Co-Rangers. Oh, really? Yeah. He was like in the crowd. It's great. He got us Rangers tickets. Yeah. Oh, really? Nice. Yeah. Did you go to the Ranger game? with him when you were little? No, because I was like not a jock. So I was always like, fuck that, whatever.

I don't care about sports. And then I took him to a Ranger game like a year ago. And I'd never seen hockey in my life. And like literally he has a thing on his phone. He's so Long Island. I mean, Rangers isn't Long Island a son. He has a thing on his phone that plays the Rangers song whenever they score a point. I didn't even know what this was, you know, whatever.

So I take him to, I take him my brother of a little brother to a Rangers game. Never seen a game And I'm like I guess everybody watches heated rivalry So everyone knows about this stuff But I haven't seen the porn by the way The porn show But I was watching the game

And like all of a sudden Everyone's taking off their gloves and their helmets And they start being the shit out of each other And I was like No one was doing anything And I was like what the fuck is going on? It's crazy! And they were like

No this is good Like this guy actually Like Remke gets beat up every game It's a thing. So I was hooked now. It's great. How many siblings? I have one younger brother.

One younger brother. Yeah, my daughter's, I watch the Yankees all the time. Uh-huh. And the same thing. Yeah. They were like, no, I'm not really, you know. They would kind of like walk in and out. And then when they got a little older and we could go to a game and that kind of thing,

all of a sudden they're like, that's pretty good, I guess. It's also like, because I was so. like, I'm not a jock. I'm a fucking punker. You know, I'm like, wait, I missed out on, I could have, it's amazing to watch people be amazing at something. Yeah, right, exactly.

It's like nice. Yeah, I know. I have a nephew who is punk rock and was just like sports. But then when you see like the drama, like the real, you know, these are kids that are literally essentially kids. Yes. With their lifelong dreams.

Yes. And basing off against the same kid. Yes. I mean, it's big. There's like a lot of emotional stuff that goes, yeah, it's. And SNL feels very athletic in the sense that it's like a rigorous schedule and it's very competitive. And it's like also a thing that people are competitive towards. So like, you know, I don't know.

I'm not like comparing myself to a professional athlete by any means, but like, you know. If you take it seriously, you kind of have to. to live that way. I talk about that being on the road. Yeah. Yeah. You've got to hydrate. Yes. Yes. Yes. You need to sleep. You need to, you have to take this seriously like an athlete. Yes. We're not as, you know, rip as though. I'm not good. I'm like a bad athlete. Yeah. I'm an athlete that could eat pizza at the same time. I'm so upset about your stomach. I know. I have to eat vegan pizza. You do. And being on the road is really hard for me. My rider is black licorice, saltines, and pediolate.

I have pepto in my bag right now. You do? Yeah. But I've learned the hard way. Yeah. Well, it makes sense, you know, where a lot of your material comes from. I'm telling the truth. You're speaking your truth.

Like, well, this isn't a lot of comments on the internet. I've been like, this is pee-p-poo humor. And I'm like, I'm talking about my disability as a Jewish person. Right. Yeah. Shame them. Yeah. Will this open up your ability to look at comments on that from S&L?

I know I'm worried if this is a slippery slope. Yeah. I don't see it being great. As your manager, I think that you are, I think it was cool. And I think there is some real value to seeing what people are really thinking and saying. Do you look? No. Only if I get a sense that they're positive.

Yeah. When all of a sudden you start to feel like, oh, people are starting to dig it. Oh, I'll take a look at some of it. But the bad ones, you know, they cut and they take up more brain space. I don't really like it. The brain space is a huge thing. Listen, I pay a guy to run a TikTok for me. Yeah.

He's not allowed to tell me how many followers. Who's on there? What are they saying? Because it's like, I can't have a fucking other thing. The brains me. No. I've never been on TikTok. I don't know what's on there.

I find out about 6-7 a year later. Fine. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think you should keep going with it. I think it was cool. Get a little dose, but no, no, no, no. Don't do it.

No. Get off it. I'm done. Enjoy your plain bread. This is really nice to meet you. Thanks for me. And I really feel like this is a very cool thing. because you're going to do a lot of great stuff.

And to be like, oh, we, oh, yeah. Yeah, we did. We had squirmies on early. This was fun. Yeah, was it good? The time podcast can feel like some slog or whatever. All right, good. This is good.

Yeah, we aim to please. And Stavros will be proud of us. Stop. My best friend. I thought he was my best friend. Crap.