Breaking Bread with Tom Papa - Episode 329 - Jamie Lee

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

The incredibly funny Jamie Lee joins us at the table. She and Tom talk about their time working together, Ted Lasso, terrible AirBnB hosts, and more. Enjoy! And remember to check out our Patreon! For $5/month you can have access to ad-free episodes, early releases, behind the scenes content, and more! Head to: https://www.patreon.com/BreakingBreadWithTomPapa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Basically, solid core, it was like, I didn't mean did you do it. I kind of assumed you'd never done it. Right. Just from looking at my core. Looking at the bread, I baked you. You seem to have a very solid core that was not a dig.

But yeah, it's definitely like, it's one of those workout classes where, like, the sound system is so loud and they scream at you on a mic. And the mic is like a little, like, not crisp. So you're just confused the entire time. you're looking at other people to be like, do you understand what's happening? No. And it's that for one hour. And I go, I can't pay to be confused.

It's breaking bread. Nice to see you. Great to see you. I know. It's been a while. Cheers. So good to see you. It's been a while.

I know. Oh my God. I'm matching the whole. You look great. I'm so. Thanks for matching our set. I really do. I do. I look like I planned this.

I know I, we could cut it if you don't want to talk about it. But can we talk about our origin story? We should absolutely talk about it. We can. I think about our origin story kind of a lot. You do? Yeah, I do too. I fell in love with you during our origin story.

I loved it. I was like, that's one of the like funniest, greatest people. I really felt that. I tell everybody that. Yeah. Yeah. It was really, uh, and I kept it even from you guys because I wanted you to hear it fresh. Oh, yes.

This is the exclusive, you guys. Yeah. I mean, it's not a big video. Tom, you have to tell it. It's not that. Well, all right. We'll have to tell it together. I mean, obviously I'll chime in. I had a little show in development way back 2010, 29. Yeah, 2009. Called the marriage ref on NBC.

And it was produced by Jerry Seinfeld. And created by him and his wife. It was a very funny idea. And we were just starting out, just trying to figure out what the show is going to be. Right. And Jerry had this beautiful office. Oh my God. This office.

Okay. This is where I jump in. Yeah, go ahead. This office. Let me tell you about this office, okay? This office, it is the kind of office that, like, if you, like, it's like out of succession. Like all of the windows or all of the walls were windows. And it overlooked Central Park.

Central Park South, facing the park. Like that image of like you can see all the way down. Yeah. It was just unbelievable. And he was on like the 500th floor. That's right. That's right. you take this fancy elevator up.

And I remember his assistant would, he would request Mexican Coke. Do you remember that? Oh, right. He specifically was like, get us some Mexican Coke. When it wasn't really that well known, you know, that it actually had real sugar in it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they are delicious. It was just like, I didn't even know that was a thing.

And I was like, oh, Jerry Seinfeld knows about this special Coca-Cola. It's pretty cool. Amazing. And you go up, and it's all business people. Yes. You know, coming into this amazing New York. building and then you go into this office which is still very cool and opulent but it's a comedy world for sure like it's just pure comedy yes with also like a touch of cars i remember he had a lot of

car memorabilia there was like a porche yeah it was signfeld it was jerry it was like what would you like oh right he's right this it would be a jerry seinfeld office it's cars and comedy and complete high level success. Yeah, it was really, but you're right, though, because it looked like an office for something deeply unfunny. Right. Like finance. Yeah, right, exactly.

And then you're like, no, like brilliant jokes are being generated here. Yeah, we're just going to tell. So it was kind of the formation of it and trying to figure out what the show is and stuff. And there were these writing sessions and it was Chuck Martin and a couple of the people. And very small, just like three or four of us. It was, yeah, Jeff Sissario. and Chuck and Chuck. Yeah.

And Jerry. And just knocking around ideas and we needed a writer's assistant. Yeah. How did you get into, how did they find you? They found me because Pete Holmes, friends with John Mulaney, told Malaney, Jamie is probably quitting her job soon if you know of anything. And then Malaney was like, I know that Jerry is looking for a writer's assistant. And so Malaney got me my very first job in comedy.

Really? I wouldn't think there would be a Malaney Seinfeld connection at that point. I know. It does seem really early, but I think he was already at SNL. So. Right, right. Yeah, I think that's how it started. Yeah, exactly.

That's great. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, I think I've talked to you about this, but it is such a hard job. It is a hard. It's a hard. It's a really hard job. I have a lot of feelings and emotions towards like the people who do that job. Now that I'm like in a writer's room,

and I'm not an assistant. Yeah. Like, wow. It's really amazing. It's a hard job. To be able to pull off, which I don't feel like I did. But like, I thought you guys were great, but I was like, I feel bad at this. Well, everybody loved you immediately, but you were, this was new.

I was so new. And being a writing's assistant as you, have you done it, Maya? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, there's so many, even with like a bunch of people. But if, this is almost like when you do stand up. Yeah. And like, it's so much easier to do it in front of 500 people.

Yes. Oh, my God. Yes. Five people. Yes, yeah, that was the thing. It was so intimate. It was so small. This is like pre-mini room.

Like that was not even a, like, rooms were not this small normally. No. Yeah. And one of them is literally the biggest, like, comedian of all time. Telling you what to do. Look, overlooking Central Park, drinking Mexican Coke, surrounded by Porsches that I'll never be able to afford. Like, it was just like, correcting your grammar. Oh, my God.

Do you know I tell that story? No. There was one time, because you guys were so quick. I mean, this is like not a surprise. You guys were like, bam, bam, bam. Like, it was so many jokes per, like, per second that I was like, whatever I do, just keep typing. Yeah. Because you don't want to miss anything.

Right. And so my strategy was just go, go, go, go, go. Who cares about the squiggly lines? Like, just go. And then one day, Jerry stopped down. There was a period where there should have been a question mark. And he literally was like, Jamie, typically after who, what, where, when, why? I was like, the blood drained out of my body.

onto the floor. I was like, and then I like kind of defended myself like, not in a like, whatever, but I was just like, I did know that. So,

you know, it's like a hard thing to be like, oh, I had this strategy, you don't want to talk back, you know? It's just like, there's no win for me

in that situation. I was like, totally. I was like, absolutely, that is so right. And then I like stopped and correct. Because there's a precision.

There's something like we, even there, like I remember we couldn't have our phones on. Like there were, Right. You would literally nobody, there was no, there were no phones at the table. Like, I, I forgot. I would have to wait until the break to call my wife or text anything.

And she's at home with the kids and doing whatever. And like, it was just silence. Like there was no communicate. Like it was, there's a precision to the way he works, which is why, of course, all the success. Yeah. But not an easy, like you got to be on your game. You have to be really on your game. And that was your first job ever.

That was like my very first. I mean, my first job out of college was working in the press department at Comedy Central. But that was like a team effort. Like, writer's assistant is so singular. Like, you are, you're it. Like, you don't have a, there's no one else to collaborate with. Like, you're there to support. And also, and I probably talked to you about this already.

But like, I did not know, like, what the etiquette was of, like, chiming in. And I just remember, like, now looking back, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm sure I, like, spoke way too much. I should have just shut my fucking mouth. Truly like, whatever, four years into comedy. And I'm like, hey, you guys want to hear from me? You're like, no. Who are you? But you guys were always really nice about it.

But I also am like literally laughing while I'm typing. Which also does not happen that often in like narrative writers rooms. There are funny moments, obviously, but not everything is a joke. It's more like, this is for story or this is, this could be cool for this character. So this was pure, it was basically just hearing like an amazing hour. of stand-up, or actually like however many, nine hours of stand-up every single time. It was a blast. It was- The show was great. It was really fun. It's such a good concept. The concept is amazing. It's unbelievable that concept. There were a lot of too, there were too many

moving parts, and there was a lot of like weird casting stuff, and it had its reasons why it didn't like become a huge hit, but at its core that you need an outside person to solve. marital fights because they'll go on forever. You have to call in a ref to make the final judgment on whether or not who's right and who's wrong. That at its core is such a... It's unbelievable the concept. I will never forget the girl who flossed in bed.

Do you remember that one? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That one really stuck with me. It's weird how those things stuck. Yeah, that one, actually that's the one that I really remember. She was just flossed like it was no... Like the particles were landing on him. Yeah.

Next to her. She had no problem. She didn't think there was anything socially wrong with just flossing. Yeah, she's like, I just floss in bed. And it was like, but he was so close to her. And I was like, yeah, I can see why this maybe is an issue for you guys. Like I could see. Oh, I know. We should bring it back. It's so great. It's so, it seems so evergreen. Also, now I think there's more of a culture around, what do you call it, like a couples counseling. And like, you know, there's like, what's the show that's on showtime? Have you seen that one? Oh, couples therapy.

Couples therapy. Yeah, which is very successful. That's like the non. funny version. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was like, yours is kind of like the comedic version of couples therapy. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, no, it could work for a lot of, how long did you do the job for? I don't, I feel like it was only maybe a month. Yeah. It was really, because it was just kind of weird, just kind of incubating.

It wasn't like a steady thing. But it was cool because I got to go to the taping, which was really fun. Right. Also completely nerve-wracking, like the edits and the putting out a new script every time.

I mean, that stuff. Again, that stuff like, you can't, learn that really from any way. Unless you were to shadow another assistant, but I had a job before, so I wouldn't even had time to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyways. But that's our origin story. That is our origin story. Young, uh, young Jamie just running around New York. Yep, just trying to do it all. Did you stay in New York for a long time? I did. Yeah, I was there. Well, actually, I guess I moved to L.A. maybe in like 2014, so not that much longer. Yeah. But it was always like back and forth.

Were you doing stand-up at that time? Yeah. You were all. Always doing stand-up. Yeah, I was probably like three years into stand-up. Maybe not that much. Maybe two. Right. Yeah, really new. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. So great. It was really fun. It's amazing because you just know, like, when you meet, and you have this, I'm sure, when you meet young comics now, like you meet people and then you meet people and you're like, oh, they're going to be in my orbit forever.

Oh, yeah. Whatever they're going to do, they're going to be successful. Yeah. You had that vibe. You don't lord your status over, like, because it's all, they're all kind of like part of the same community. Yeah. Ultimately.

And some you're like, oh, maybe they'll make it. But others, you're like, oh, yeah, she's going to be around for it. Oh, okay. I remember an article when I was there at that job, an article came out about Kumail. And I remember, like, Jerry, like, reading about Kumail. And I was like, whoa, Jerry Seinfeld's, like, reading about Kumail right now. That's so crazy. I was like, yeah.

So a lot of, like, memories from that job kind of, like, creep back in. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. And it was a long time ago. Yeah. Then we ran into each other at a yoga class once. We did?

Mm-hmm. I don't remember that. It was after it. Oh. And it was one of those New York yoga classes where everyone's like, you're there to just kind of center yourself and be. Oh, sure. And it's one of the most cutthroat competitive environments. You can feel people just like vying for inches for their mat.

Oh, I kind of do remember this now. Yeah. It was just like really crowded. Yeah. And we were both looking at each other like, why are we? we here. I got to say, I don't love yoga. I don't do it anymore. I loved it. You did? Yeah. When I came out here, there was a place near here that was really great. And I found, I think the key was a great teacher. I'm sure. Who wasn't too, you know, artsy-fartsy about it. And she was just kind of like did it. It wasn't to work out class. It wasn't too, you know, self-helpy.

Yeah. And it was just the sweet spot. That's awesome. But when I lost her, I lost it. He lost everything. I felt so good, though. I feel like I'm so much tighter now. Do you do Pilates? No.

Oh. My wife does. You might love it. Yeah? Yeah, I converted my husband. He loves it. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, he was really resistant. He was just a runner for a very long time. Like, no other types of exercise. Yeah. And, yeah, now he goes every single Sunday. But also very instructor dependent. Like that's the thing. I need to not be.

You know the right people. Yeah, I also. I also have gone to these classes, like, did you ever do solid core? No. Oh, my God. I actually, I don't know. Yeah, it's so crazy. But basically solid core, it was like, I didn't mean did you do it.

I kind of assumed you'd never done it. I've been had you. Just from looking at my core. Yeah. Looking at the bread I baked you. You seem to have a very solid core. That was not a dig. But yeah, it's definitely like, it's one of those workout classes where, like, the sound

system is so loud and they scream at you on a mic. And the mic is like a little, like, not crisp. So you're just confused the entire time And you're looking at other people To be like, do you understand what's happening? No. And it's that for one hour And I go, I can't pay to be confused.

It's just not, it's not gonna work. I need clarity, calm. Yeah. Soul cycle, you ever do that one? I did, I didn't love it. Yeah, anything like I don't, I'm not into groups to begin with. I also don't need loud, I don't need loud music. I don't need loud anything. The whole, I feel like my whole adult life is trying to get to not loud.

Same. acoustics. I use the word acoustics like daily. I'm constantly talking about acoustics. I never did that 10 years ago. When you're on the road and there's a bathroom fan. Oh my God. Or the fridge that's just running. Yes. I unplug. Oh, sure. I do all those things. Yeah. Yeah. Got to get those sounds out of there. Yeah, exactly. You are promoting. Yes. I want to get to that before we, because we just talk as friends, but I really want to. First of all, I baked you this bread this morning. Wow. Do you guys eat bread? Are you being serious? I am being serious. I am being. series. Wait, you baked that? I bake this. Oh my God. Yeah. I thought that was like prop bread.

No, that's your bread. Those are fake grapes though, right? The grapes are not real. The candle's not real. Cigarettes. This is not a real restaurant. Okay. That provalone next to you, not real. Oh, yeah. That's a hollow cheese. This bread is real. That's so cool. That is kind of funny to think everything is fake. Oh my God. Because a lot of people do look at the bread like what they think it's a prop. Wait, that is so nice. I love bread. Oh, good. Oh, yeah. I eat everything. All right. Good. We're going to have to update our, our contacts, because I want to hear that you liked. Whether you liked it or not. I'm sure I'll love it. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. How long does it last? This will last a week. Oh, incredible. Yeah. Just put a towel over it. Okay. And you'll be, you'll be solid. Did you get into it during the pandemic? Don't put plastic over it. No, it was way before the pandemic. Oh, that must be so annoying for people to ask that. Yeah. You've always done it? Yeah.

Wow. I know. And then all these like showbiz folk came in and they're like, I do sourdough now. Right. And you're like, you're not going to last. Yeah, exactly. Posers. Posers.

And they're all gone now, but I'm still going. There are a lot of people who just stopped. I'm like, yeah, that was just a hobby. Yeah, it was just no, it was panic. It was like, we might die. Panic baking. Yeah, there was so much panic baking. So you are promoting.

Yes. You've got your one person show. Were you going to say one woman show? Well, I don't know how I feel about any of those titles. Yeah, they're all kind of weird. One person's kind of nice. Stage show? Just a show?

Theater show. Comedy show? It is a comedy show. It is comedy. Yeah. My friend Katie? It's called My Friend Katie. And you're going to be at Joe's Pub I saw.

I'm going to be at Joe's Pub on June 16th. Yep. And then I'm going to be a dynasty typewriter on June 25th. Very cool. You should come if you're around. That'd be fun. When is it? June 25th.

You're probably on the road. I think I just leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I'm doing like a little run. I don't know when this comes out, but. We're going to, it's going to support these dates. Oh, amazing. So June 4th, Philly, June 11th, D.C., June 13th, Boston. And then, yeah, New York and L.A. after that. Very cool. Yeah. And this is a, I'm interested how you got into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Before the marriage, ref. Yeah, way before. Yeah. How old were you? I was 21 when it happened.

And she was 18. Yeah. Okay. Or I just turned 21. She was 18. So she was a college friend or a home friend? No, from home. We worked at the same summer camp together.

And yeah, she sort of mysteriously suddenly passed away when I was in college. Very shocking. And essentially what happened was I just never knew how or why she died. And there were definitely some suspicious. things that I sort of was wondering slash like kind of simmering on but I never did anything about it. I just kind of like accepted it and what they say at the time. So at the time in her obituary there was this line at the very end that said Katie struggled with nephrodite syndrome. But the thing is, defraudic syndrome is, I later learned, is a kidney

syndrome that I believe is reversible that is where, like proteins leak from your kidneys. But I also found out you don't die from nephrodic syndrome. I confirmed that with the doctor. And then I also never heard her talk about her kidneys in any capacity ever. And we talked about everything. So it was those two things where I was like, wait, what? And also like struggled with the wording was always a little strange to me because

I'm like you don't like, if someone has like an illness, like if someone like has cancer, you don't say they struggled with cancer. Right. So that always was like, I don't know. but then I was like, maybe I'm just being like a weird, like linguistic nerd, or I'm looking for things that aren't there. And I just kind of swept it under the rug or tried to. And then when my dad passed away when I was, that was in 2021,

I had gone back to Dallas for her, to obviously be with my mom and all this stuff. And I realized that the last time I had been in Dallas for a funeral was for Katie's, but the difference is that I knew how my dad died. He died of a heart attack, but I did not know how Katie died. So that was kind of like what set the whole thing off. and yeah, I kind of went into the same. The wording is weird. It's weird.

It's struggled with that. It's almost, yeah, it's like they're trying to put you off the scent. It felt that way. Yeah. They're trying to mislead, you know. Yeah. We're not going to tell you what it is, but they struggled with overeating. Yeah, that's the thing I feel like struggled with is like it's more like you could fix it if you worked hard enough.

Yeah. Or something. Or it was just something in the background that was a problem. Yeah. That you'll think about now rather than what we want. you to think about maybe. Right. It always felt like, yeah, like a little like, look over here, don't look over there. Yeah. And yeah, so that's kind of when it, when it all started for me. And then, yeah, so then I essentially just like went on this weird journey to try and figure

out what happened to her, which really was not creative at all. It was just more of like this strange compulsion. Just wanted to find out. Yeah, just wanting to find out. And then starting to feel like strangely getting closure or I don't even feel that I've gotten closure, but trying to achieve closure was so wildly satisfying in this way where I was like, this is going to sound weird, I was like, this is the most fun I've had in a long time. Like it really filled, or as I say, filled my cop. Like, it really filled me up in a way where I was like, whoa, I did not know how badly I needed this.

Why do you think that was? Because it was just a question mark? It was just like I would talk. to people, like people I hadn't spoken to in 20 years, but also like if they knew someone who might know something, like it really was an investigation. I was like chasing leads, calling people, cold calling, showing up at people's houses, whying to people's houses in other states. Really?

Yeah, it was like a full-blown. And I also happened to be very, very close with this woman, Emma Cortland, who's so brilliant. She is a journalist. She had this great show on Spotify called Crime Show. And I'm already just friends with her in life. And I told her about this and she was like, I'll come on board. I want to help you. So she actually was like, she like is the reason I like was able to get autopsy reports.

Like she really helped. Yeah. So why did you have to go so deep? Where was there was the resistance from? It was almost like once I started, I just couldn't stop. Right. And then what's interesting about it is like I assume once I got, I thought once I get the autopsy report, we're done. We're packing up. Like, yeah, what else is there? That's, that's the information you've

been looking for. Sure. And I also didn't think that I could get an autopsy report. Yeah. Which is a whole section of my show talking about autopsy reports. I have so many thoughts and feelings on them, particularly like the way they're written is horrifying. Oh yeah. I mean, not the obvious parts. Like, whatever, I won't go into the bit. But yeah. Anyways, but I thought once I had that information that I would be done and then what's weird is that actually just led to more questions. So I think a lot of people, um, who, it heard I was doing the show, they were like, oh, so it ends once you get the autopsy report.

I'm like, no, that's like halfway through the show. Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it really becomes more about. Were there people that didn't want to tell you or didn't want? Oh, yeah. I had a mom in particular that she, she, I spoke to her, she seemed kind of like an open book

at first. Her mom or a mom? A mom who was sort of in the friend's circle. Couldn't get a hold of Katie's mom for a very long time. And that was really bizarre because, um, I just figure in the age of the internet, like how hard is it to find people? It's so hard to find people still. Really?

Yes. Yes. It's really. Yeah. I mean, there are some people where you're like, there is nothing on them. Like no Facebook. No, like just nothing. Really?

How do they do it? It's, I mean, yeah. It's admirable. You're like, wow. You really did it. They just bought nothing. You nailed it. Yeah.

They don't have a credit card. They never bought anything. I mean, yeah. It's like, I just never thought that would even be an issue. Yeah. But wait, you asked me something. So you could disappear. Yeah.

Yeah. So I wait. Oh, a mom that I spoke to at first. She's a mother of one of my best friends friends. So I kind of already like sort of had access to her. We all went to dinner one night as friends. And then she kind of like turned to me and was talking to me. It seemed like a pretty open book.

And then the next day she called me and she was like, I wouldn't go. I thought more about it over night. I would not go sniffing around. I think you're really, yeah, you're going to be barking up the wrong tree. Like, people get real upset when you talk about this stuff in Texas. So you got to watch out. And I was like, oh, okay. And then like that was kind of like the warning of like stop asking questions.

Yeah, like you're going to get, yeah, don't stick your, I'm trying to think of the metaphor. Don't stick your face in the foxhole. You're going to get bit or whatever. Right. Something, something there. Yeah, like that. I don't know if a fox bites or not. Yeah.

How did you take that warning? It just was like more fuel. Yeah. Because I think a certain point you're also like, I can't bring Katie back, but I'm like, there is a feeling of like, don't worry, I've got you. Right. Like I will not stop. Right.

Yeah. So I think there. Someone's going to honor her. Yeah. I was like determined. And then the show grew out of, it did not start as a show. It grew out of like me going on this journey. And then I was like, well, I do want to write about this experience because I'm not an investigator.

like I'm a comedian. I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah. And what it's like to like have to cold call someone's dad or like. Yeah. And then they don't, there's one guy I talked to. He's like, I haven't talked to my son in five years. I was like, I'm never going to find that son.

Yeah. Then we did find that son. Then he agreed to meet with us and have us interview him. Big, like big milestones for me. Yeah. Yeah. Now, did you start talking about it in the small way just in doing standup? Would you like bring any of it in?

Or was it its own piece? A little I tried, but the pivot to into it and out of it was just like too much that I was like, I think this kind of exists on its own. Right. But I did document everything. So we have like all this footage. And then some of the audio I worked into the show just to kind of like support the narrative. So there's definitely like a true crime like doc feeling to the stand up.

So ultimately I don't want to give anything away. It's funny. It's a comedy. It is a comedy. Yeah. There are laughs throughout, I will, I will say. So where predominantly are the laughs, just in general terms? The laughs are always.

Is it because of the, how ludicrous it was? Or is it you finding yourself? Yeah. Surprising yourself that you're in all of a sudden an investigative reporter. Yeah, I think it's both. Definitely like a lot of, I mean, the jokes are always on me. I'm very, very intentional about like not making fun of, I make fun of one guy.

But, yeah, I really try to keep it on my, and like how ridiculous this whole thing is. Like the surprise that you were in that. Yeah, and also just like I had no idea what I was in for. Right. Yeah, and also like the conclusions that came out of it are not what I expected. No. Yeah, I mean, it really-

Did you get conclusions? I did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it'll always feel a little bit like an open wound, but definitely, yeah, there's one thing in the show that's like kind of a big reveal that I feel like really honors Katie in a way. that is not, there's like no sensationalism.

It's like very much like this was our friendship. Yeah. And that moment alone, I'm like, if that was the only thing that like came out of the show, I'm like it was all worth it. Like that I got to like showcase her in this way. Right. Yeah. Oh, that's great.

Yeah. Man. So when did, how long you been doing this piece? So I took it to Edinburgh last year and we got really good reviews, which I wasn't sure we would. Chortle, it's like they're so brutal. They gave us four stars. And I was like, okay, I feel like we're on to something.

That's not easy to do. So, yeah, went to Edinburgh and then was like workshopping it in L.A. before that, just at the Lyricah, I'm here. Were you able to come into Edinburgh as an established act? I've never gone. Yeah. But I know, like, you hear the stories of, like, young comics trying to get it off the ground and they have to, like, really work all day long trying to beg people to come in. Yeah, yeah.

Did you come in at a different level? I definitely came in at a different level just in that. Yeah, our shows were pretty full every day. I think it was because of our venue and the time slot was like not super competitive. It was at 4 p.m. Which is like when people are starting to drink and like let loose, but not so deep into the night that all these other shows are happening. Did the Ted Lasso of it help? It definitely helps.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Although it's interesting.

I feel like more people watch that here than they do over there. Oh, really? Yeah. I always thought like because of Richmond like. Right. People would be. I don't know. It feels.

Yeah. It's interesting. I don't feel like, I don't know. Maybe that's just my perception. but when I was in London, I was like, I don't feel like, I thought this would be like a bigger thing here. And I think it is, but not the way it is here. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Maybe it's too American. Maybe. American sensibility, like in a way. Right, right. Like that joy and that, like, enthusiasm. Totally. Yeah, because they have a darker sensibility here for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. How did you get that show? I got that show from an, audition. An audition. Yeah, I auditioned for Bill Lawrence for a show that never went forward, but I tested for it. And it ended up just being a pilot. Actually, Brett Goldstein, I think, did the pilot. Oh, yeah. So we both tested for it. He did the pilot. And then he saw me, Bill Lawrence saw me on crashing. And then when Lassow came up, he was like, would you want to come to meet on this to write.

And I sent in a sample and then I had a meeting with him and Jason. And it was a really long meeting. And I remember kind of at the time not really feeling 100% secure about like working on a show about soccer. I was like, yeah, like I don't really follow soccer. Now I really love watching. But like at the time I was like, yeah, I don't think I'm your goal. I was like really honest too.

I was like, I do not. I don't know guys. Right. And I think that they, I think that they, I think that. they already had their people who knew about soccer. So it didn't matter. And then, yeah, we just had such a good meeting. And then, yeah.

That's pretty, that's pretty intuitive of him. Yeah, interesting to go to see me like acting and then be like, would you want to write? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he knew I also wrote on crashing. So he was probably like, you know, she can do it. Sure, yeah.

But, um, but yeah. But you like something about your voice. Yeah. That you could. But that's even different than stand up. And it's not like. Yeah. I know.

He hadn't seen. me do stand-up. Yeah, like, if he saw a clip or something, but like, not really. I guess this is why he's successful. It's kind of unbelievable. When I think about it, I'm like, oh, yeah, I got it because of acting. Yeah. That's crazy.

I don't even think about that enough. I'm like, whoa, that's really crazy. Yeah, he saw something. Yeah. And it was a really long meeting. A really long meeting. It was like two hours long. Two hours.

Yeah. And I didn't know Jason. I mean, I didn't know him. And I, at the time, I was like, yeah, he's great on SNL. Yeah. But like, I don't really. know him outside of that. Oh, he was in the meeting too? Yeah, the first meeting. Oh, really? Yeah. It wasn't like I had to do a pre-meeting and then I met with him. It's like, no, he was in the first meeting.

Yeah. And yeah, I just remember walking out going like, that went really well, but also being like, like, I don't know if I want to be in a writer's room. Just, you know, stuff that now people are just like, can I please be in a writer? Like, it was just such a different time, like, pre-strike. Yeah, right. Exactly. There was so much work. Yeah, it was just different. Pre-pandemic, pre-strike. God. Man of the world change for those two reasons. Truly. God.

So such a shift. Yeah. And yeah, what was crazy was when we were writing it, I was like, I was definitely like, man, I don't know if this show's good, but I really like the people I work with in a way that I hadn't quite. I mean, I've like been on shows with great people, but there was something about the chemistry of this staff where it was like, we were hanging out. all the time. And I'm a big like, okay, bye guys. It's 5 p.m. Like, I love to leave. I know. You would never hang out with Jerry and me after. I know. We were like, come on, Jamie. Yeah, come on.

But I really, like, had never done that. And this was like, I like missed them on the weekends. And we would like go to the beach, go to Dodger games. Like, we're hanging out constantly. And it was like that. I remember going, I hope the show is successful because I don't know that I'm going to have this again with coworkers. Right. Yeah. And is that attributed to Bill? I think a lot of it is. Yeah. He really sets a good vibe and he makes you feel like everything's going to be okay.

Like there's no like the ship is sinking vibes with him. Everything is fixable. Everything is solvable. That's so important. We're not in crisis. Yeah. It really is. Haven't you been in scenarios where you have the opposite of that?

Yes. Oh. Yeah. Every time they come in is like, oh, no. Oh, my God. What's wrong now? Absolutely. Which is so such the antithesis to having the space to make comedy.

Right. You know, because you really can't be thinking about job security every second. Absolutely. Yeah. And it was always like, I think at the time, like when I first started,

I also was like, what's my role here? Yeah. Now I'm like, I kind of do it all. But I'm like, at the time I was like, I think I'm the joke girl.

I'm definitely not great at story. Again, got better at that. But definitely I was like, I'm not, I'm not like some people, I'm like, these people know story.

If I had to pitch out my episode, I panicked. I was like, I don't know what the fuck happens in this episode. Yeah, that's a hard thing. Yeah. It's weird that those don't normally align. They don't. I mean, I really like learned to write by being in writer's rooms. Like I could do it.

I could fake my way. But like actually feeling like I really understand structure and stuff now. I'm like, yeah, it took a minute. Yeah. Because I came from stand-up. Right, exactly. Yeah. You're thinking jokes.

Yeah. Yeah. the how quickly did you know it was a hit um i knew it was a hit that's a great question because i think it pretty much was it was pretty quickly yeah i think maybe it was i there's no like big moment that i can think of but i just there was yeah there was no big moment like i was in a restaurant i heard people talking about or anything like that because it was all during the pandemic when it came out that's right So I didn't really get to like enjoy it on that level. But then when we were nominated for Emmys, I had a feeling of we're going to win.

You did? Yeah, I did. I was like, I think we might win. Well, the vibe was so strong. It was really strong. It was such a dark time. Yes. And the light of-

My dad had just died. Oh, he did? Yeah. He had just died like two months prior. Prior to what? Prior to the Emmys. And I, when I was at the Emmys, that really got me. I was like, oh, fuck, I won an Emmy.

And like, he didn't get to see that. It was like really heartbreaking. but also it was a pandemic and we're in this weird tent and I'm like, what is happening? Why are we wearing ball gowns under a fucking piece of plastic? We all have to socially distance. I literally am wearing my like Roland Moray like beaded gown to like a fucking porta potty in the parking lot.

Like it was the least glamorous Emmys you've ever seen. And then I was like, I won like what does that even mean? What is all of this? Like our world is crumbling. Like it was just such a strange time. Yeah, it is so bizarre. So bizarre. So.

Bizarro. Yeah. Yeah. And then your dad's not. Then my dad's not there. And I'm like, wait, what? Like all of it. But then.

The whole world is upside down to begin with. Truly. Truly. Good Lord. Yeah. It was a really, it was just really surreal. All of it was surreal. But it has to be pretty cool.

If you could fast forward a couple weeks and there's an Emmy in your place. Yeah. That had to feel pretty great. It was great. Yeah. The day after the Emmys was like one of the best days of my life was the day after the Emmys. And yes, of course, because we won. But also that feeling of like you don't have to go to work. You don't have to do. You actually don't have to do anything today, but just like,

chill, be on your phone. Post your photos. Like put your feet up, watch TV. Like call your mom, call your friends. Like it was just such a like time out. So great. In a way that I was like, this is like the purest, like that feeling of accomplishing something and like actually giving yourself a break. I like don't ever do that. I'm just like always like the most self-punishing. So. And in normal times, that would be a moment to cherish. But also pandemic, family, all the rest of it thrown on top. And you don't have the time to sit and wallow in and you just have to keep going. Yes. That's like a real moment. Yeah. Yeah. I have a funny, I have a funny, I have a funny COVID moment. Oh my God. What did I do? No, it was. No, it was.

You were totally cool. But I was, you know, it was comedy was, comedians were, I think, the best during all of that because they were just like, we're going to do shows on rooftops, or we're going to, we're going to keep doing something and have these people do whatever. So Whitney had that show.

Oh, my God. Whitney Cummings cited at her place on her patio, set up a stage, did the whole thing. She was amazing, just like this. It was so cool. Lighting, the whole thing. It was just going to put on a, a show for like 20 people. And we, and she asked some of her comedian friends to come and do a set.

And she got us pizza and it was, it was lovely. And I was like, it was one of the first times that I had been really out like doing stuff like that. Right. You remember this? It kind of do. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, I'm doing okay. I'm doing all right. And then you and I were this close. Yeah. And I was like, hey, Jamie. And you're like, hey. And you, you're a second take and you were like, Tom? I had a beard. My hair got long. I remember this. We were sitting next to each other.

We were next to each other. And she didn't recognize me at all. And I was like, oh, I think I think I've been like a gnome hiding in a cave. That's right. I'm still normal. And you were like, Tom? I'm there with sideburns. I'm like, yeah, Jamie.

How's it going? That's so fine. I do remember that now. Yeah. And I remember it. Because you were being funny, you were just kind of like, shook. Oh, my God. And I was like, I think I need a haircut.

That's so funny. And then Natasha Beddingfield was there. Do you remember that? That's right. She sang. Yeah. This was before the resurgence of that song. And she was there.

Yeah. And she was there and she sang the song. We were all like, we love the song. And then it's like, a couple years later, it's like, that's the biggest song in the entire world because of that movie. And she had like a little posse with her. Yeah. She had a tiny posse.

Yeah. Yeah. That was so funny. Yeah. It was a really interesting. Like, I got to get my act together. It was an interesting mix of people. Like, Whitney knows so many people from so many different, like, types of artistry.

It's really true. It was really, like, an interesting group. It really was. Yeah, but I appreciated that she did that because I think everyone was, like, really starved for connection. Yeah. Fitzsimmons was there. I think Spade was there, maybe. Yep.

Tim Dillon, maybe. Yep, Tim went up. Yeah. Yeah. We're all doing sets, like, for each other. It was just like, just trying to get that muscle to be, like, yourself. hard. Yeah, so hard.

Again, right? Oh, I hated that set. Doing stand up like that, so much different. And also, like, I hated that set because I also was just like, I don't even know, like, what I am as a comedian right now. Like, I didn't even know who I was. I was, my friends didn't recognize me. Well, you were like cast away.

I look over Tom's like talking to, only talking to a volleyball. Like, okay, Tom. And it's so weird to think about it. I had a family. I saw them every day. It's so, I mean, yeah, the hair growth on everybody. My hair was like, I was like, what was that? A singer in the 80s, like Crystal Gale.

Do you remember? She had like hair to the floor? That was what I looked like. Yeah. I took my older daughter to Portland when it was the first time I did a set during Maine or Oregon. Oregon. Okay.

And it was during like the riots and all of that kind of stuff. Oh yeah. I went there around that time too. Yeah. And it was lovely. There was no reason not to go. Right. But she came along just to like get out of the house and go do something.

and she got a haircut. And it was her first one during all the troubles. Sure. And I remember we sat after and she was like, she transformed. She was just so light and happy. And it was like the world kind of started to make a little sense. You're in a different city. Right.

Your hair's cut. It was like you could tell like the order was kind of coming back in for her. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Haircut, yeah, especially during that time. I don't remember my first haircut, which is weird because it was such a a big moment. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's a big deal. Yeah, it was a big deal. And she was like,

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I like behind the scenes my husband and I were dealing with like really overbearing Airbnb hosts. Oh no. And they were watching. They were watching us on the camera. What? Yeah. Yeah. It was a whole thing.

Do they have to tell you that? Are they supposed to tell you that? They, so they do disclose that there's a camera. But what they did lie about is the placement of the camera. And so we tried to turn it off because we were very honest. We're like, I'm sorry. It's just you know things about us that like you would only know if you were like not only watching the camera, but like listening to our conversations.

No. And so we called them out. They did not deny it. And then we just unplugged the camera because I was like, I can't live like this. Like I can't be watched. And then within 10 minutes of unplugging this camera, we get a text on the WhatsApp. It's like, hey, when are you guys going to reinstall the camera? And we were like, we're not because we don't feel comfortable and they're flipping out,

flipping out. Well, you have to put the camera back. There might be intruders. I was like, this is not about intruders. Like you guys, something is going. on. I don't know why you're watching us this closely. Yeah. So it was just constant. And they were always like messaging us about stuff. Like just like leave us alone. Like I was working such long days. I'm leaving at like 6 a.m. Then our studio is like by Heathrow. So I'm like schlepping over to Heathrow every

morning. And back at night, 8 p.m. go to sleep, wake up, do the same thing the next day. We're like really in the thicker production. And so to be getting messages from the Airbnb host about stuff. And they're like, we can't see you naked. right now. I know. They're like, what's up with that? You're like, you creepos, like, leave us alone. That is weird. Then at the end, they tried to charge us for damaging their floors. And yeah, and their floors, A, weren't damaged. Like, they looked the same as they did when we moved in. But their shower didn't have a door. And so the water would leak out into the hall and we videoted it. And we sent it to them.

We go, like, there's a problem. Like, your drain is clogged. And then the woman tried to blame me for, like, having hair. And I was like, listen, like, I didn't clog your drain. And if I did, like, that's still not my, like, you have to, you have to, you have to. Yeah, you have to fix it. Yeah. And, um, so that was weird.

And then they blamed us for, like, ruining their floors. And then Airbnb saw the video and they were like, they didn't ruin your floors. And then, but then when that didn't go through, then they were like, but you ruined our linens. And we're like, what? Also, their linens were like, honestly, like, about as soft as, like, sandpaper. Like, they were the worst, most disgusting sheets. And I'm pretty sure they came pre-stained. Like, they were not that clean.

And I was like, just buy more sheets. We didn't ruin your sheets. Your sheets were garbage. A weirdos. Yes, constantly trying to, like, get more money out of me. No. It was always just online. They live in Toronto, and they would just, like, spy on us.

They live in Toronto. Oh, sorry. Yes, they live in Toronto. Yep. They would just spy on you. And I think they knew, well, they did know that I work for Ted Lasso, and I feel like they, Honestly, I found out that whole, because my husband works in cybersecurity and comes from an

intelligence background. Yeah. He's very good at, like, finding stuff on people. And he discovered that this guy's business had just gone bankrupt. And, like, he was basically just extorting us, like, constantly trying to extort us because he's like, oh, fancy Hollywood lady staying in my place. Like, I bet we can get more money out of them. I'm pretty sure that's what was going on.

I don't have 100% proof, but, like, it was, yeah, it was very, very strong. If they kept that camera on, they'd probably be like, oh, here's you guys fooling around and we're going to extort money from you that way. I mean, it was so, and it was like, we were just, I was working so hard. And I think that like, I didn't, I thought it was bad when I was there. But then when we left, I was like, that was really bad. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, so.

Because there's no rest. Your nervous system's never let off the hook. No. Because you're coming home to diffuse. But then you're paying so, I was paying so much money to rent their apartment. Like, they had so much money. money from us. So I was like, can you just let us, I think I even said like, please let me live. I actually wrote that. I don't think I've ever said that sentence in all seriousness in my life,

especially not in writing. I had to be like, please let me live. That's so weird. Yeah, it was bizarre. But anyways, my reason for bringing that up is that the amount of time for these jobs, you weren't having a good time, yeah. You can't get a place for a year because you're only there for four months. Right. So you end up in these situations with Airbnb where you're like, but it's not really your place and you're dealing with the limitations of the hosts and hopefully you get someone cool, but what if you don't? What if you don't? That is the one thing that's really hard about going over there.

It's not enough time, but it's also too much time. You know what I mean? For renting. The best case scenario with those Airbnb things is when you hit it off with the host. Yes. And then they can even, we've had situations where they take it off Airbnb, but you still deal with them. Yeah, I've had that. That's like the dream.

like that happens a lot here. Yeah. If you're ever renting here, like I did that in Atlanta. It was fine. Yeah. Yeah. Jeez Louise. All right. So with Lassau, it's a huge hit. It was rocking along. You guys are getting Emmys and stuff like that. And then there was pushback where the fans were kind of like pushing back against season three maybe. And they were like, for whatever reason, there was critical pushback or fan pushback. I think both. But then you push back. But then you push. through. Yeah. And it's, you writeed the ship. What was that like creatively in the room? Well, creatively, I mean, the show like, yeah, third season,

God, there's just so much, but like third season definitely felt a little different than the other seasons. But that's also because like the second season was written on Zoom during the pandemic. Yeah. And I'm, I was not there for production or anything. And then season three, I was in London a little bit for production. But when we, I mean, this is like such a weird thing to like even complain about. But, you know, going to the Emmys after you've won two years in a row. And then you just are like, we're losing big time. And it's a long ceremony.

And you're sitting there being like, oh, that category. All right, the bear took that one. Okay. And once again, the bear. And once again, the bear. And I think that it just. felt like it's so weird because it's like such a privilege to be it really is a privilege to be nominated i know that's like a hack thing people say but like it is a weird thing to go and you're

like the last few years it was so celebratory and then this year it's kind of like oh right we're feeling a little sad yeah um so then we weren't going to come back i thought we were done and then when we got the call that we were coming back i was like wow okay and some people had said jason had told them there might be a fourth season like in passing like he would be like, oh, well, if there was a fourth season, I could see this happening. And I was like, well, if he said that, that means he's really thinking about it.

Right. But it wasn't really solidified. And then... So it felt like it was in his hands a bit. Like if he wanted to push it. Yeah. And then, yeah, all in his hands. Everything is in his court.

Yeah, they were like, whatever you want. Like, we're here. We love the show. Oh, that's nice. Because it's purely a creative... It really is. Decision. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So when we came back, everyone was like, whoa, this is surreal. I cannot believe we're back. Really? Yeah. Because it was the tide of turn. Yeah.

Yeah, I really thought we were done. I mean. Which must have been difficult because you have such a good relationship with this family. Yes. So that's a different than just like a show where you're just kind of like, all right, it's gone. And like these are like my people. It had to have bigger impact. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Oh, so when you get that new lease on life, was it like go time? Yeah, it was definitely like go time. Also like just with everything. thing. It happens so quickly. It's never like,

hey, in a couple months, we might be starting. It's like, you get the call and they're like, can you start Monday or not? Whoa. It's always like threatening. Right. I know. The business affairs people just make you feel like pulp, like literally like lower than pawns gum. Just like, oh, you're gum on my shoe. I don't give a fuck about you.

And I'm like, but we won you Emmys. They're like, you can literally go die in a ditch. We don't care. You're worth like my pinky finger. Like you're worth nothing. They really are cold. You're like, but I have this one wedding. No. No. Yeah.

And it's all, it's like, well, if you don't want to start Monday, then I guess you don't want the job. And you're like, right, but you're not paying me my salary. Yeah, well, are you worth that? No. Oh, geez. You know, you're just like, I mean, negotiating a contract. Wow. Nothing will make you feel like more worthless.

I think that's where the agents and lawyers actually make most of their worth. Yeah, because they stand up for you. And not telling you what's being. Oh, God. What the first offer was. Filtering. Exactly. Yeah.

It's always like, well, we're trying to get it up. It's like, oh, they told you, I am not worth paying. They literally were like, we don't need her. You don't need to know. Yeah. Let someone else make those calls. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But enough to come back. Yeah. Yeah. It's so crazy. It is crazy. Well, it's crazy to like have, you know, have a show like, yeah, to just like have a show that did well. Yeah.

But because of the name. The nature of our industry, like we're not in a place, like, you're still a show on TV and like, you know, everything feels so like fleeting and fickle. Yep. Even the ones that are successful. And you're right, because as soon as you're successful, it's over. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's really wild.

You can sustain it somewhat, but it's really, there's only one place to, one direction you can go in. Exactly. Exactly. So did you feel like, like things had changed for you as a writer or performer just with the exposure of, being in a hit show like that. Yeah. Did it kind of open up doors for you or just? Definitely.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, it did. I don't know with stand-up. It really made a difference. If anything, I think being in like a cozy writer's room kind of pulled me away from performing, which is why my show means so much to me because I'm like, oh, it really is like me reclaiming like that part of me because I really am like at the end of the day a performer. Yeah.

I mean, I love writing. But like that piece doesn't ever go away. I really wish it would. God. There's no way. It would be so nice. I'm like, if it could just go away. If it could just stop that little voice in your head.

Bill Lawrence one said me, he goes, I don't think he said it like this. He wasn't like, it's such a shame you want to act. But he definitely was like, he definitely said somebody who was like, do you really want to act? I mean, like you could just rise the ranks. You become a showrunner. He's like, you don't need to act. Like, just is like, but I want to. It doesn't ever go away.

Yeah, I know. And it feels like, sometimes it feels childish. But then I have to be like, it's not. It's not. It's a job. And it's a job people like. And more than that, it's kind of who you are. It is.

It really is. I remember a director saying to me, like, ran into him in New York. Yeah. I had to go do a spot and then come and see him. And I went and did my spot and came over and he was like, you can't stop doing those spots. I was like, no, no, it's great. You know, whatever. And he goes, what was, what would they pay you?

Like, $200 bucks? I was like, $20. He was like, what are you doing this for? Right. No. But it was like, because it's everything. That's why. It's everything.

Yeah. It's so, you cannot shake it. Yeah. You can try. Yeah. I definitely have tried. But it won't. It's just, that's just not my deal.

Yeah. Yeah. So aside from the show, I mean, the show gets you back into the Katie shows. Yes. Giving you that thing. Yeah. Are you doing sets also? or is that satisfying you enough?

No, doing sets also, going up at the cellar, which has been great. Oh, cool. Yeah, and that's kind of been it. I've mostly just been sending my veils in there. Yeah. And then I did a little bit of the stand and a little bit of New York Comedy Club,

but mostly the seller. Yeah, I could be pursuing it harder, but yeah, this is all while I'm living in New York. Right, right, yeah, yeah. How long are you going to be in New York? I think I'm there at least till October, but maybe longer, depending on, I don't know, depending on stuff.

You're a little bit of a gypsy. You're kind of, you're kind of just living everywhere. Yeah, kind of. Based on the gig. This, this, yeah, I think, yeah, especially with the London for four months and then almost right into this job. So, yeah. How's that feel? Are you cool with that?

I am actually okay with it. You are? Yeah, yeah. Because you're with your husband. Because I'm with my husband and, like, he's, like, he had to live in Saudi Arabia for two years. And he's, like, pretty flat. Given that he's not a comedian, he's really, like, understanding of that lifestyle. Oh, that's great.

In a way that is pretty cool. That's good. Yeah, yeah. And he loves New York. So, like, it's a dream for us to be back there. Yeah, that's fun to be able to go and do that kind of thing. So you don't have dogs. We have three.

What? Yeah, they're all living in the apartment. It's so crazy. Wait a minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we, my wife really wants to spend more time in New York. Oh, yeah, we do it. And I'm like, yeah, that'd be fun.

We'll go there for three months. That'd be fun. Yeah. Work at the clubs and with all our friends. Yeah. But it always comes down to the animals. Well, how many do you have? We have two dogs and a cat and a lizard.

That doesn't really count. Right? Oh, and a bunny. Oh, and a bunny. Yeah, Charlotte has a bunny. But that's your responsibility. Oh, my gosh, Charlotte has a bunny. Yeah.

I mean, I think you could do it. So tell me how you do it. Well, I mean, we just have dog walkers. We have a daycare. It's so expensive. I'm hemorrhaging money towards dog walks. I know, no kidding. Especially with a day job.

I'm like, what do I do? Yeah. So you just bring all three, they'd come with you to London or they come to you to. They went to London. They did. Yeah. Which isn't easy to do, right? It was not easy.

Right. Oh my God. No. You got to know people. Yeah. We had a concierge help us with that. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. There are services that can help facilitate it, but there's really no way around. Yeah. Like, there's just a lot of bureaucracy. Yeah. To another country. I know people just want to like move there permanently. Yeah.

Tough. Really tough. But going to New York. So you're just like finding. place that'll accept pets and just bring them. And we were just honest with the people we're like, we have three dogs and they're like, cool, like you can move in. It has not been an issue. There's also at our building. Some of these buildings are getting super dog friendly. There's a dog run on top of the building. Oh, really? Yes. So they have like a full little like area where they can run around and

pee. Jeez. Yeah. And then there's a park right across from us. So I take them there. Prospect Park isn't too far. Yeah, they're kind of living a dream. They're loving it. Okay. We don't really do this on this program a lot, but we're going to cut all of that so my wife doesn't hear it. And Charlotte, when we go home, you don't say a word. Charlotte. That is crazy. That sounds pretty easy. It has been pretty easy.

They love it. The dogs love New York. They do? They love it. After being in L.A. with all of it. Really? They're psychotic here. Oh, my God.

Really? They're worse here? Yes. Anyone who walks by, they're just like, like, they flip out because they're just like startled constantly. But in New York, you're always startled. so they're just permistartled and that way they don't flip out. That's crazy. It's amazing.

I never would have thought it went that way. It is so overwhelming there that they actually can't focus on what to be mad at. That's hilarious. Yeah. It's incredible. Just like the people actually. Yes. Everything cancels it out. So it's actually like it's so chaotic that it's quiet.

I see one guy walking in my front sidewalk. I'm like, who's that guy? Yeah. Yeah. That would never happen in New York. No, you turn into like neighborhood watching. Yeah, that's right. You're always like somebody's up to somebody.

guy around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's always like a project of like someone's, yeah, like, when we're here, like my husband's like, yeah, somebody's hanging out by the dumpster. I'm just going to keep an eye on that. And I'm like, okay. The whole city's a dumpster. You don't have to keep an eye on anything. It's great. Wow. That's, that's remarkable. Yeah, it's pretty great. Well, I'm glad you're doing stand up there. That's fun. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. It's been fun. And you'll be there through October. Maybe you'll do come to Papa when I do it at the underground. I do like this like prairie home companion kind of a show. Oh, fun! Yeah.

Wait, at Village Underground? Yeah, yeah. Whoa, when is that? Yeah. Probably due on in July. Oh, good. I'll be there. Yeah, okay. Oh, amazing. Yeah, yeah.

I'm definitely coming to that. All right, no, you're going to be in it. Oh, I'll be in it. Oh, I'll be in it. It's really fun. Okay, that would be really fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can hang in New York.

Yes, I would love that. And then we'll have Jerry sit in the back during your set and going, you know, Jamie, when you start a joke with who. It's so traumatizing. Although it is such a funny story. It's a great story. To have him in his jury cadence.

You're like, who, what, where, when, what? It's like how many people can say that. It's crazy. It's so great. But honestly, it really means a lot to me watching you achieve all this stuff and do all this stuff since that time. Because we'd see each other somewhat. Yeah.

But watching your success has been really fantastic. It's really nice. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. It really is great. I wish I could see the Katie show. We won't be there June 16th,

will you in New York? No, I don't think so. I'm gonna hopefully like do it for a longer run. That's my goal. Oh, that's your goal. Yeah, I really want to do like an off-Broadway run. So I'm inviting a bunch of people to Joe's Pub to like hopefully get closer to that.

That would be great. Yeah. That's why I was like maybe if I stay past October, it'll be for that reason. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that would be really cool. Yeah.

I mean, you can definitely set that up. Yeah. It's just like, that's a whole other world I really know nothing about yet. Yeah. It's a lot of promotion. The theater world specifically is like there's some crossover, but also not. So I'm kind of like taking it day by day. Just called Barbaglia.

I know. I should. I should talk to him about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he, no one could guide you better than Mike. I mean, he's the guy. Yeah.

He like pioneered that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. That would be good. Just so I could see it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I want you to see it. That would be really cool. Yeah. How depressing would it be if I'm like finally in New York and you're like coming to my show and I'd like I'd love to but I have to walk these stupid dogs now. These dog sitters charge it an arm and a leg. That's my new job.

How can people find out about the show? Where should they go? All of my ticket links are on my Instagram, which is at really Jamie Lee. At really Jamie Lee. And yeah. And then I have my tour dates all of June and all of that information is there. All right. You have to make sure our numbers are up to date.

Oh, yes. I want to see how you like the bread. Yeah, they have to have bread chat. All right, cool. Okay, great. Thank you for being here. We got it, kids.