Breaking History - A History of Tough Jews

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

After October 7, Jews around the world were reminded of an old, unsettling truth: Governments do not always protect minorities when mobs turn violent. From Bondi Beach to New York synagogues, the promise of public order has looked increasingly fragile. In this episode of Breaking History, Eli Lake revisits the last time Jews in America confronted that reality head-on. In the 1930s, as Nazi sympathizers rallied openly and police often stood aside, Jewish gangsters led by Meyer Lansky took matters into their own hands, waging a quiet street war against the German American Bund. What does Jewish self-defense look like when the state fails—and why are there no Meyer Lanskys today? A history of tough Jews, broken illusions, and what happens when people decide they will no longer be easy targets. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What do the chosen people do when the government cannot or will not protect them from their hateful neighbors? In the 1930s, a few tough Jews took matters into their own hands that were bald into fists. back lab able the pod you got this next year's model lee harveyard irving berlin what happened once happens again when you look up is a miss It's impossible, I was holding somebody's child, because he was screaming, I was saving this child. This is a time of calm. This is a time where I want to make sure that there is no retribution. The police are investigating thoroughly.

We have acted promptly. We have taken decisive action. Could I just ask for calm in the community, allow the police to do our job? This was the scene at Bondi Beach, Australia. After a celebration on the first night of Hanukkah, a father and son began opening fire. It was horror, all the more horrible, because according to witnesses, the police at the scene did nothing for nearly 20 minutes, as the terrorist fired at defenseless Jews like it was.

target practice. A brave Muslim fruit vendor intervened heroically to disarm the father, suffering bullet wounds himself. We shouldn't be shocked. Only two days after Hamas launched its murder spree on October 7, 23, before Israel had even retaliated, this was the scene in Sydney, Australia. Sydney has seen a spate of arson attacks on synagogues and other Jewish spaces. In August, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wrote in a letter to Australia's Prime Minister Anthony Albanese that he was contributing to the spread of anti-Jewish hate that was consuming his country.

History will not forgive hesitation and weakness. It will honor action and strength. That's what Israel expects of each of your governments in the West and elsewhere. And Australia is by no means the only place where Jews have become targets since October 7th. On American College campuses, Dutch soccer matches. Tonight, a violent and hate-fueled attack on Israeli soccer fans in Amsterdam. The mayor saying it was at the hands of anti-Semitic hit-and-run squad. From the UK to France, the anti-Semitic hordes have been awakened.

We've seen the violence at Jewish community centers. staffers of the Israeli embassy, a couple that was planning to get engaged next week, were shot last night by man who, after he was captured, was shouting free Palestine. A Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C., a hostage solidarity march in Boulder, Colorado. He's right there. He's throwing Molotov cocktails, right there. After a horrific pogrom motivated by pure evil, a passionate faction of Western public opinion has chimed in to take the side of the Cossacks. the mobs have not been murderous, but menacing nonetheless.

This was the scene last month in the Upper East Side of New York City. Jewish worshippers were on their way to the Park East Synagogue and ran into this. The marchers claimed to be protesting an auction of Palestinian land. In reality, it was an event put on by Nefesh Benephish, an organization that helps North American Jews emigrate to Israel. These swarms have become all too common. They claim to be protests of the war that Hamas launched two years ago, but the mask is off. Here is Hamas propagandist Nardine Kiswani, a leader of within our lifetime, explaining in 2024 why Palestinian solidarity demands crowds of shouters to show up at a synagogue in Teaneck, New Jersey, to protest a non-exist

land sale. We stand against our tax dollars. We used to kill our people. And illegal land sale events like this will happen without political leaders intervening to stop it from happening. And they are literally selling land on illegal settlements, but even the U.S. would say it has to be the legal. Then if they don't want to enforce that, we will enforce that.

What is the synagogue supposed to do in a situation like this? Even abhorrent people, like Nardine Kiswani and her organization, have free speech. rights in America. But nonetheless, bringing dozens and sometimes more demonstrators to a synagogue, while it's sinister. It is a kind of harassment. That mob action spurred the Jews of Bergen County to form a volunteer self-defense organization, known as Guardians, or in Hebrew Shom Riem. We spoke with Adam, one of the Bergen County Shom Riem organizers. Shomhram fills the gap of when you're not in school and synagogue, when you're walking around your community, when you're not in services, through our retail districts, when there's

stuff that happens outside of those times, we help fill that gap. And so whether it's at night when people are walking, leaving school, going out for dinner in the afternoons, or when there's something happens where there's something that just doesn't look right. And it's not necessarily an immediate police response, but they don't know what to do with it. They'll put it into a WhatsApp group or Facebook groups. We have them communicate with us. We help triage it. We help limit what, like, the things that go to police departments that are unnecessary or may not require a response. We'll help triage it if there is an immediate police emergency. The first answer is we call police dispatch or we have them call 911. For Adam in Bergen County, this was a response to

these targeted actions after October 7th. So quickly, you saw these cropping up across Bergen County right after October 7th, whether it was the car patrols through our neighborhoods, protests outside out of our synagogues. Those were coming weekly events. And the community was like, this is no longer acceptable to us. We have to look out for our own safety. Yes, the police are great. They have limited manpower. At nights, they have less than a handful of cars on patrol. We have to do more for our community. And so it was, how can we expand what we do within the synagogues and the volunteers that we do there or the paid security? How could we complement that? So that quickly ramped up to people walking in the streets getting yelled at, having things thrown at them,

people driving around, waving flags, streaming at them. And the community just kind of decided we're no longer going to put up with it. So how can we stand up for ourselves? How can we work with police, extend their eyes and ears and help work with them when there is something that's happening to make sure that our community is always being looked after? And when the police need to respond, they're the ones they'll come and do that. But at least we're extending the eyes and ears for them that we can do in real-time monitoring and escalations. And we can hand it off to police as necessary. The modern Orthodox Jews of Bergen County received an ancient wake up call of sorts. Since the end of World War II, assimilated American Jews have lived in a golden

era. The quotas at elite universities are no more. The gentleman's agreement among top law firms and hospitals not to hire Jews has evaporated. Most of us have thrived in post-war America. Our Jewish identity was no barrier to achieving what we wished. Antisemitism was rare, but this vacation from history is over now. It never really went away, though, for some of us, for the less assimilated Hasidic Jews that dress in dark suits and hats even in the summer, the old world anti-Semitism has been a fact of life. They have had their own Shomrim since the mid-1960s. I want to say that for visibly Orthodox Jews, for Hasidic Jews in particular,

explosions of anti-Semitism or let's say manifestations of anti-Semitism on the street, are not really unusual. This is David Mogollett, senior editor at jabad.org. So the explosion is unusual, but the manifestations of it, and kind of this, it's a regular part of your life. I could tell you that I was 10 years old, and I was walking down the street, and white Irish Catholics attacked us

and threw cigarette butts at us, and that was in Boston, Massachusetts, in Brighton. So you're not, these aren't things that are surprised, to us. Crown Heights, the capital of the Habad movement, was the site of a horrific riot in 1991, and the police failed to protect the Jews from mobs of black New Yorkers, seeking vengeance after a car accident killed a young black boy. That little boy and a little girl, somebody got to pay for that. Yeah. You know, we do a lot of talk. We ain't talking no more. No more. Right? No more. Action. Okay. Black protesters chanting Heil Hitler stormed the

Lubaventure headquarters. At the time, the former editor of the New York Times, A.M. Rosenthal, questioned why so many of New York's assimilated Jews didn't understand that the Hasidim were also American Jews, deserving of police protection like anyone else. He wrote, I do not understand why some Jews do not understand what is in the hearts of the Hasidim or are silent. They would not tolerate for a moment, police or merrill failure against riots in their own neighborhoods. 911 would damn well work. There would be no sympathetic clucks for root cause rationalizations. Are the Hasidim a little too Jewish for them?

Maybe they think only a certain kind of Jew gets beaten up. Sweethearts, by you, you are a Park Avenue. By your wife, you are Park Avenue. But by an anti-Semite, you are a Hasid. In 2025, we understand Rosenz, Thur. The Park Avenue Jews are Hasids in the eyes of the anti-Semites. America has changed. We don't live in a place where we can count on the government to deter our neighbors who seek to intimidate us, impose purity tests around Israel, and in some cases kill and injure us

because we are Jews. I'm Eli Lake and you're listening to Breaking History. In this episode, we dive into the last time. The cops couldn't credibly protect American Jews from their neighbors. It was the 1930s, time when Germany entered into darkness, and a few German Americans wanted to bring that nightmare here. After the break, the man who pioneered punching Nazis, Meyer Lansky, and why sometimes it takes a thug to stop a thug. Hey, Derek Kraut, three strikes and you're out. Brass knuckles blackjack, all Nazis, you're smacked. Hey, Jerry Kraut, my fist on your mouth.

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tonight as a complete stranger. You all have heard of me through the Jewish-controlled press as a creaksh of its horns, a cloven hock and a long tail. We are listening to Fritz Julius Kuhn, known as the American Fuhr, delivering a speech on February 20th,

1939 at Madison Square Garden. Kuhn was the leader of the American Bund, which had direct ties to the Nazi party in Berlin. It was chilling. A large portrait of George Washington hung on the stage surrounded by banners with swastikas. And then, in the middle of the address, a 26-year-old Jewish engineer,

and shop assistant named Isidore Greenbub, rushed the stage trying to tackle Kuhn. Fuck you, asshole! He was beaten by the brown shirt security detail before the police arrested him. Looking at the rally in 2025, it's eerie. Some of the same lines Kuhn delivered in 1939, the same year of the Nazis and the Soviets invaded Poland, sound familiar today. The men that our government shall be returned to the American people who bounded it. Outside the garden was a far larger crowd, though, of anti-Nazi Americans. Kuhn had numbers in parts of Long Island, but New York City was not his home turf. The mayor, Fiorello LaGuardia, whose mother was Jewish, did not like the Bund.

When they asked for police protection for their events and parades, he would make sure to send black and Jewish officers. And we should say the American Bund was one of many pro-Nazi organizations in America in the late 1930s. There was Father Coglin and his Christian front, armed gangs, who boycotted Jewish businesses and engaged in street brawls. We are Christian in so far as we believe in Christ's principle, of love your neighbor as yourself,

and with that principle, I challenge every Jew in this nation to tell me that he does not believe in it. William Dudley Pelley led a group known as the Silver Legion, or Silver Shirts, that embraced American fascism and blamed Jews for the ruin of the Depression. For the Jewish people who migrated to America between 1880 and 1920,

many from Eastern Europe, escaping the Cossacks who plundered Jewish stettles in what was then the Russian Empire, the rise of Nazi sympathy in America felt like a vice grip. Many still had relatives back home. In his great book, Tough Jews, Rich Cohen, describes what it was like in the late 30s and early 40s for Jewish Americans monitoring things in Europe. Quote, most Jews still had family in the old country, and the bad news came in letters that grew cloudier and cloudier before the letters stopped coming altogether, end quote. But there was also the institutional anti-Semitism at that time in America as well.

When I think of the 1930s, I think, first of all, obviously, of the Great Depression and how Jews in the United States were deeply impacted by the refusal of so many corporations to employ them and how they continue to suffer from that during the 1930s. This is Pamela Nadell, an historian at American University and the author of anti-Semitism an American tradition. So there's, that Jews are enduring in the 1930s in the United States, structural discriminations that were put into place much earlier in the 1920s, that restricted their abilities to go to colleges and universities, obviously to go to medical school so that

many Jews actually went overseas to medical school. And, of course, they went to Germany. that path now becomes closed. They also have so many places where they could not live. So there were all these structural discriminations against Jews in the 1930s. And then they're, in a sense, topped off by the very deliberate effort that we now know on the part of the Nazis in Germany to influence the American public to turn to support them. And we talk about the German-American Bund, for example, but there are many other. groups as well. And they're demonstrating, as they, in terms of their rights to free speech they

have, they're demonstrating for themselves and they're demonstrating for Nazi Germany. But what they're doing is Jews are getting caught in the crosshairs and they're also getting physically beaten up on streets. It was a precarious position. As the clouds over Europe darkened, American Jewish leaders lobbied the Roosevelt administration to allow more European Jewish immigrants into the country. Meanwhile, the Anti-Defamation League became a kind of private intelligence organization, sending spies to infiltrate homegrown Nazi organizations and then sharing that information with the Justice Department. There was also an effort to raise awareness of the fate of Europe's Jews with other Americans. In 1943, the screenwriter and novelist Ben Hecht,

with a legendary composer Kurt Weil, produced a show at Madison Square Garden called We Will Never die. Nadell in her recent history of American anti-Semitism writes, quote, 2,500 yards of black cloth covering this hall, headliners, the actor Edward G. Robinson, the crooner, Frank Sinatra, were dwarfed by two giant tablets inscribed with the Ten Commandments as a cast of a thousand, including hundreds of rabbis and canners, intoned, remember us and demanded avenge us, end quote. Here is a snippet of that production when it traveled to the Hollywood Bowl.

Almighty God who favor the children of Israel with his light. We are here to affirm that this light still shines in us. We are here to say our prayers for the two million who have been killed in Europe because they bear the name of your first children. At the same time, there were other Jews that took a more direct approach when it came to the Nazi fifth column inside of America. Here, we have to appreciate that 1930s and 1940s America was rougher

and more lawless than our country is today. The younger immigrants crammed together in ethnic neighborhoods in the big cities could not always count on protection from the police. they turned to local gangsters who simultaneously exploited and protected their communities. And inside the big cities, like New York, there were quite literally battles

over a few blocks at a time. In that world, eloquent op-eds and star-studied productions were not enough. You had to defend yourself. This lesson is an eternal one when it comes to Jewish history. Many of America's Jewish ganges

in the first half of the 20th century were chased from the old world by the gangster states that relegated them to second-class citizens. For the Jewish mob, you needed a gang to stop a gang. And if you had to pinpoint an event, it would be Hitler's birthday,

April 20th, 1938, in the Upper East Side of Manhattan, in the German neighborhood at the Yorkville Casino. This is how the New York Times described the scene in the papers the next day. Inside, the casino was filled by a crowd estimated at 3,500 persons.

Gustav J. Elmer, the chairman, had called the gathering to order. All gray-shirted stormtroopers held posts commanding the aisles, the first speaker, Otto Wegener, proceeded with his address. Mr. Wegener had praised the recent German seizure of Austria as a, quote, birthday gift by Chancellor Hitler, to Greater Germany, and was demanding that President Roosevelt and Secretary of State Cordell Hall, regard Anjolos as an accomplished fact. Then a man rose in the audience, shouting at the speaker. Is this an American or a German meeting? Cries in German and English, of which the principal one appeared to be throw him out,

rose from the audience. Several stormtroopers moved toward the man who had interrupted. Then, a group of men, sitting in neighboring seats and estimated by observers to number as many as a hundred, stood up also, and, as they rose, dawned the blue overseas caps of American legionnaires. A major brawl ensued. What the Times did not report,

what the Jewish press later did, is that the mastermind of this bust-up was Meyer Lansky. The most successful gangster of his generation, unlike many of his peers in the Italian and Jewish mobs, Lansky managed to cheat both the feds and the assassins and ended up dying of old age. Born Meyer Sucholansky in Belarus in 1902, he emigrated with his family to Manhattan's Lower East Side in 1911.

Lansky would later tell one of his biographers, Robert Lacey, that the worst time of the year in Belarus as a child was during Easter and Passover. His uncle once crossed to Cossack and his entire arm was severed. I should note that this is the same kind of experience that shaped the young monocon. Bacon, who was also from Belarus. The recognition that the powerful Gentiles could do what they wished to the Jews, and the state would not protect them, led Began to become a revisionist Zionist, and helped build the militia known as the Irgun that fought valiantly in Israel's War of Independence. For Lansky, the oppression of the old world led him to a life of crime. Here is Richard Dreyfus Asmire Lansky in the 1999 film of the same name, making the case at the end of the movie to an Israeli interviewer that one always has a choice to confront the bullies.

Shout out to free press contributor David Mamet, who wrote the screenplay. The Cossacks are coming. You can run. Maybe you can get away. You can hide. Maybe they won't find you. You can fight. Maybe you'll win.

You do what you have to do at the time by the best lights that you have. After dropping out of school in the eighth grade, the short, stocky Jewish kid from Belarus proved his medal on the street. There's a famous story about a dice game that Charles Lucky Luciano tried to muscle into. When they were both in their teens, Lansky stood up to him, despite being outnumbered, and they soon became close friends. Luciano and Lanski eventually devised a plan to knock off the established New York bosses and took over the city and organized crime nationally. Giving the underworld the corporate structure sometimes referred to as the combination, the syndicate, or the five families.

Lansky is probably best remembered for his portrayal in Godfather 2 as Hyman Roth, the underworld financier, who tried to kill Michael Corleone after he backed out of his investment in the Cuban casinos that he was running. Roth is played in the movie by the father of method acting,

Lee Strasbourg. Someone put a bullet through his eye. No one knows who gave the order. When I heard it, Wasn't angry. I knew Mo, I knew he was hat-strong, talking loud, saying stupid things. So when he turned up dead, I had let it go. And I said to myself, this is the business we've chosen.

I didn't ask who gave the order, because it had nothing to do with business. In the Godfather, Boardwalk Empire, and even Bugsy about his longtime friend an ally, Ben Siegel, Lansky is often seen as a supporting actor in the drama of the American mafia. But Lansky is a founding father. It was his idea to corporatize the mafia, to create a kind of Supreme Court that settled disputes between rival crime families. And it was also Lansky that dreamed up the initial schemes to invest in legal casinos, first in Cuba and then Las Vegas. One of Lansky's more positive contributions to the American experience is that he helped organize a national street war against American Nazi organizations in the 1930s.

Now, before we go any further, we have to explain that mafia history presents a dilemma for all of us seeking the truth. There are not a lot of records other than the court documents and FBI files. So for something like this, you have to ask yourself, can I trust the word of a career criminal. Because the main source for the next part of this story is Lanski himself. It's from interviews that he gave to the Israeli journalist Ori Dan in 1971 as he was lobbying the Israeli government to give him citizenship. He lost that case and was eventually sent back to America, where he faced and ultimately be in court charges from the U.S. government for tax evasion.

So with that in mind, we're going to recreate. to create Lansky's telling of this tale through his interview in 1971. I was a Jew, and I felt for those Jews in Europe were suffering. They were my brothers. I've never gotten used to the idea of being called a criminal, and I'd like to tell you how and when this label was first put on me. Maybe it will surprise you, but it started in the 1930s, after Hitler took power in Germany.

Nazi sympathizes in the United States, some of them Americans, of German origin and some not, set up what they called the German-American Bund, or Union. This was a pro-Nazi organization that spread Nazi-style anti-Semitic slogans. They strutted around the place, made threats, like throwing all Jews into concentration camps. I was very sensitive about anti-Semitism. But during those years, many other people also became world. also became worried. Important wasps, as we would call him now,

openly made anti-Semitic statements, and some magazines and papers backed them. This worried Jewish leaders, including the most respected one of all Rabbi Stephen Wise. He sent me a message asking me to do something about this dangerous trend. Another Jewish leader who is worried was a respected New York judge,

an important member of the Republican Party. We knew each other on one day in 1935, came to see me and said, Nazism is flourishing in the United States. The Bund members are not ashamed to have their meetings in the most public places. We Jews should be more militant. Meyer, we want to take action against these Nazi sympathizers. We'll put money and legal assistance at your disposal, whatever you need.

Can you organize the militant part for us? I want to stop it here. There is no corresponding evidence from either rabbi's Stephen Wise or the judge, who was named in Perlman, a former Republican congressman to support Lansky's account of this meeting or that the meeting even happened. But it's telling that Rabbi Wise is at least from Lanski's telling one of the conduits because not only was he a giant of American reform Judaism, but in the 1930s, perhaps more than any other American Jewish leader, he had President Roosevelt's ear.

Now, Wise is a bit of a polarizing figure because of this. On the one hand, he issued vocal warnings about the Third Reich in the 1930s. And if Lansky's account is true, then he also set in motion a wave of physical confrontations between Jewish gangsters and American Nazis, which I would count as a positive contribution to recent history. On the other hand, his proximity to Roosevelt also made him protective of that president, even as Roosevelt was continuing a policy that kept Jews out of America when Hitler was trying to exterminate them.

The historian Raphael Madoff in his book, The Views Should Keep Quiet, Skewer is Wise, for being played by Roosevelt. And here's what he writes, quote, Nowhere was Roosevelt's passion for manipulation on greater display than in the way he managed his relationship with Rabbi Wise, calling Wise by his first name, extending a dinner invitation to Wise's daughter and sending along affectionate regards with the kinds of gestures that touched Wise and made him feel important. A meeting in the Oval Office, however rare, made Wise feel as if he had the ear of the present. Such gestures help ensure that Wise would keep his negative feelings about Roosevelt's refugee policy to himself. That in turn, what helps sustain the traditionally high levels of support for FDR among American Jews. Now, back to Lansky.

I was very flattered and, of course, agreed to help. I'll fight the Nazis with my own resources. I said, I don't need your cash. but I will ask you one thing that after we go into action you try to make sure the Jewish press doesn't criticize me the judge promised to try to do that

and for the next two years my friends and I saw some good action against the brown shirts around New York I got my buddies like Bugsy Segal before we went to California and some other young guys we taught them how to use their fists and to handle themselves in fights

and we didn't behave like gents a lot of young men who had to connection with me came to see me quietly without publicity, young guys in all kinds of occupations, and many not so young. The judge and his friends supplied the names of the big activists among the Nazi sympathizers. For instance, there was the famous affair in Yorkville, the center of the German colony in Manhattan. I was given the address where the Nazis were preparing a meeting, and Walter Winchell telephoned me about it and encouraged me to take action.

Well, we got there in that evening and found several hundred people dressed in their brown shirts. The stage was decorated with the swastika and pictures of Hitler. The speakers started ranting. There was only about 15 of us, but we went into action. We attacked them in the hall and threw them out of the windows. There were fistfights all over the place. Most of the Nazis panicked them right now. We chased them and beat them up, and some of them are out of action for months.

Yes, it was violence. We wanted to teach them a lesson. We wanted to show them that the Jews would not always sit back and accept. insults. I know that the judge and Rabbi Wise were pleased with us. Again, this is Lansky's account. He says that Winchell gave him the wrong address, but they found that meeting anyway. Okay, back to Meyer Lansky. We operated against the brown shirts in a whole lot of places in New York, New Jersey, and even farther away. We know how to handle him, me and my friends. The Italians I knew offered

to help, but as a matter of pride, I wouldn't accept. I neglected my business many times to travel around and organize our counter-attacks. I must say, I enjoyed beating up those Nazis. There are times when we treated a bun leader or other big anti-Semite in a very special way, but the main point was just to teach him that Jews couldn't be kicked around. And here's my favorite part. Remember, the one thing that Lansky asks of Perlman and Wise is that they help keep his name out of the Yiddish newspapers,

which his wife read. and on this one request, the two big mochers failed. But the Jewish leaders wouldn't stop my mistreatment in the press, then would you believe the Jewish press was the first to condemn us? When they reported our anti-bund activities, they referred to us as the Jewish gangsters. I remember this was the way the Morgan Journal, the big Yiddish newspaper at the time, came out against us.

In fact, the Jewish papers were the first to call us the mob of Lansky and Bugsy Siegel. This was the first time I was ever publicly mentioned as a gangster. The Jewish press helped create a pressure group of influential political people in the Jewish community who objected to our direct action program. One day we got a message from Rabbi Wise to stop our activity. People were saying it was morally wrong to use the same violence the Nazis were using. I tried to argue, but if leaders like Rabbi Wise decided I was wrong, I had to respect their wishes.

So there you have it straight from the horse's mouth. I should say that some of that, I think, is largely true. But I wanted to ask others who have studied this. So here is what Pam Nadell told us about that meeting with Perlman, Lanski, and Rabbi Stephen Wise. She said it was not much of a focus for historians of this period. It's not something that historians have focused on. And it's why I just did not come across that when I was doing research. Does it surprise me?

Not so much. I mean, if you sort of think about what's also going on in British Mandate Palestine in these years, when's the Haganah founded, right? When are Jews standing up? It doesn't surprise me, but that you could get it on record that he supported it. I don't know. That's what surprises me. I don't know.

You're going to find somewhere where it's written. Rich Cohen also said it was unlikely that anyone would find a record of the meeting other than what Lansky said many years later. Well, you're dealing with kind of folklore, you know, so, and you're dealing with kind of a game of telephone where the story gets repeated and maybe somebody in Weiss's circle said something and it got turned into why. That's why it's so hard to write about this stuff because it's, you know, it's myth that serves a function for people like my father growing up after, you know, we're

World War II, that there's this thing that gives you some strength, like a role model in a way, even though he was a criminal, he also fought. So I don't know, and I don't think there's a way to know, and I think intentionally they hit all their tracks and everything else. And I am certain that the gangsters did beat up the Nazis. The question is, like, who actually, I always heard it with Stephen once. After the break, why there are no Meyer-Lanskies today in the Jewish Diaspora. That was it. No more letters from chewing officers, no more letters from school and back no more letters from anybody.

Finally, after a couple of weeks, my mother had to go to the post office and complain. How could I go back to school after that and pledge allegiance to the flag and sit through good government bullshit? That, of course, is from the opening of Martin Scorsese's magnum opus Goodfellas. I played because that snippet of narration captures the central conceit of the criminal lifestyle. The game is rigged. After a young Henry Hill sees his mafia friends stuff a male man. man's head in a pizza oven for the infraction of delivering truant notices to his home.

He correctly asks how he was supposed to take, quote, all that good government bullshit seriously. Depending on when you ask that question, it's fair. Because for Jews, Italians, Irish Catholics, blacks, and many other minorities in the first half of the 20th century, the game was, in a sense, rigged. As I mentioned earlier, there were quotas for Jews at the best universities, Jews wouldn't be hired by the best law firms and hospitals, leases in this era and prevented homeowners from selling their houses to blacks or Jews in the best neighborhoods. Nonetheless, the system also worked after World War II. Barriers for Jews and other groups in America began to be lifted.

Some of this was because of the civil rights movement and landmark civil rights legislation in 1964 and 1965. And some of it was also because we fought an anti-Semitic empire in World War II. And for the generations that fought that war, hating Jews was something associated with our mortal enemies. Some of this was also because the freedom afforded Jews in America unleashed a creative genius that benefited the entire country. Eventually, the Jewish mob died out because most of the mobsters themselves encouraged their children to study hard and go to school, to go legitimate. We should say that Italian and Irish mobsters, many of them at least, did the same thing. Lansky, though, is a case in point.

He was so proud that his son Paul graduated from West Point. America really was a land of opportunity in the 20th century, if you understood that the opportunity would pay off in the next generation. But in this process of assimilation, as the descendants of Eastern European Jewry found their place in America, something was lost. Jewish kids no longer grew up having to learn how to survive a street fight. Men like Meyer Lansky would go into investment banking or become corporate CEOs.

Despite many Jewish communities after October 7th, forming these Shom Riem, these volunteer security organizations, most of the synagogues, and Jewish community centers today are still guarded by contractors. What's interesting about the gangsters was they recognize the Nazis as a gang. And that's how they dealt with them.

And they knew how you deal with a gang, which is you go stand up to them and you're tougher than them and you beat them up and they back off. And some of that's so gone now. You know, so I remember, I went to Tulane. And there was that thing, like a riot or whatever. I forgot the hell that happened

on the two lane, the middle of Tulane's campus. And there was like Jewish kids getting punched and beat up. This is Rich Cohen again. And I just looked at it as a former Tulane student and thought where the hell are the ZBTs, man? I mean, even when I was there in college in the 80s,

the ZBTs would have gone out there and they would be fighting. And they're just not there. And there was still some, and that's the whole reason you're in, you're our ZB, which is the Jewish fraternity. Anyway, I think Did they recognize the Nazis as gangsters, and they knew how to deal with a gangster, and they went and they beat them up?

Do we know how to deal with the heirs of the American Bund in the Jewish diaspora in 2025? It's hard to say. Ashkenazi Americans no longer live in tenements in ghettos where street gangs act as de facto police. In Bondi Beach, it took the carriage of ordinary people to disarm one of the shooters before police ultimately stop the father and son mass killers. The police nonetheless failed to prevent that catastrophe. If that becomes a pattern, men like Meyer-Lansky will be back in business. We take the state's monopoly of violence for granted,

and that monopoly is challenged. People turn to gangsters to keep the peace. We are not living in 1938 when the police were corrupt. Organizations like the Anti-Defamation League today, advise social media companies and the FBI on how to combat anti-Semitism. But this approach only goes so far. There are no gentleman's agreements in 2025, but in industries that were once welcoming to Jews,

like Hollywood, book publishing, and academia, new unspoken agreements over Israel have replaced the country club anti-Semitism of old. The place where I've seen it, personally, was that after October 7th, many of my Jewish studies colleagues, we wanted to model for our campus dialogues with our colleagues who have different political points of view. And as part of their BDS movement, they won't dialogue with us. This is Pamela Nadell again. Even when my provost asked them, if they could not find people to have a dialogue with us. It took about six, eight months. I finally was in a meeting with multiple people,

including one person who I disagree with politically. And I heard what I've heard in other settings. They denounce anti-Semitism. And in the very next breath, they say that Israel has no right to exist. In my definition, calling for the destruction of the state of Israel, calling for the destruction of 45% of world jury, I could see that as blatant anti-Semitism, but I understand that they do not. So you tried to have discussion about it, and they... We just get shut down. They don't, we completely get shut down.

Don't answer emails. They're not, let's say that they are not collegial. That's a very different kind of anti-Semitism than what Meyerlands. faced in his day, but there are some lessons that we should remember. I respectfully disagree with Dr. Nadell. I don't think a dialogue with professors who insist that the only Jewish state should not exist is fruitful. Instead, make it clear that we will not be intimidated into silence. If anti-Zionist fanatics want to send mobs to synagogues to protest non-existent land sales, the worshippers should get in their face and let them know that their temple is not so easy a target.

And if, God forbid, another deranged terrorist wants to start mass-shooting Jews at a Hanukkah celebration or a Jewish museum, my hope is that someone at the event is also packing heat. In other words, stand up to the bullies. That's what Meyer-Lansky and the Jewish mobsters did 90 years ago, and in their small way, the American Nazis at least, were forced to retreat. not this time we brought the whole gang get out of new york or hammers go bang hey cherry hey crowd you get knocked out the upper east side is down with the tribe hey jerry head crowd it looks like a rouse oh you miss the jews don't run for the loos

Bristol, not this time we brought the whole gang. Youngleeve, New York, then Hamas go bang. Over there in Germany, a few was on a row. European surgery, removing Europe's soul. Nazis marches. Street parades on New York Avenues Thinking they intimidate

A hundred righteous Jews Think again Gestapo man We're breaking bones tonight If we see a swastika There's gonna be a fight Crystal not this time We brought the old gang

If you leave New York Then hammers go bang Yeah, Crystal, not this time we brought the whole gang. If you don't lead New York, then hammers go flying. Oh. Hey, Jerry, hey crowd, you're getting knocked out. Thank you.