Breaking History - Orientalism: How one book fueled 50 years of campus unrest
Episode Date: April 2, 2025Pro-Palestine protests have been a feature of Columbia's campus since October 7. Now, Donald Trump has issued an ultimatum to the university: get control of your campus or lose $400 million in Federal... funding. But the target of the measures wasn't just security, but the Middle East Department too, which Columbia has agreed to place into five years of 'academic receivership'. This week we take a deeper look at the ideology behind the unrest. One protester’s placard stuck out, it read: “Why make me study Said if I’m not allowed to use it?”. The placard was referring to academic Edward Said and this question gets to the very heart of the Columbia protests and the anti-Israeli sentiment felt on many American campuses today. Edward Said was the author of a book called Orientalism that changed American universities forever. You can’t understand the Gaza protests without understanding Orientalism. But just how much is this radical 1970s academic text influencing contemporary thinking about the Middle East? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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One year on from the massive pro-Palestinian demonstrations and occupation of Columbia's
128-year-old campus, one protestor's placard sticks in my head.
It read, Columbia, why require me to read Professor Edward Said if you don't want
me to use it?
This placard is referring to one of the most famous and influential academics in the last
fifty years. And the question it asks gets to the very heart of the most famous and influential academics in the last 50 years. And the question
it asks gets to the very heart of the Columbia protests and the wave of anti-Israel enmity
that has consumed colleges for the last year and a half.
Edward Said's most important book, Orientalism, has irrevocably changed universities since
it was published nearly a half century ago. After the break, how that book was the intellectual kindling
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That's C-H-A-I-F-L-I-C-K-S dot com. Almost exactly a year ago, in April 2024, Columbia University became a battleground.
A huge mob of masked rioters broke into an academic building and rebranded the iconic Alexander Hamilton
Hall by draping its walls with a giant flag calling for Intifada.
It was now Hind Hall, named for Hind Rajub, a five-year-old girl whose lifeless body was
found in Gaza's rubble.
The scene inspired the mid-rapper, Macklemore, to record a song.
It all felt a bit Les Mis. Metal barricades were erected, strengthened with chairs and tables to block authorities
from entering.
A video showed one hammer-wielding demonstrator smashing through a glass panel door and locking
it with a bike lock.
We later learned that an unlucky janitor was taken hostage by a 40-year-old trust fund
kid who wasn't even a Columbia student.
Every conflict has its side, every war has its protesters, but these were not peace demonstrations.
Nor were the students arguing for a two-state solution.
The mobs were calling for the negation of Israel.
The slogans chanted echo the language of Hamas, the author of the October 7 atrocities.
This campus tension has continued, even escalated, under the Trump administration.
First, there was the attempted deportation of one of the protest leaders.
Developing story on the campus of Columbia University. A student connected to pro-Palestinian protests last year has been detained by ICE.
And then in March this year, Trump gave an ultimatum to Columbia.
Make my reforms or lose your funding.
The Ivy League school was given a month to comply or risk losing around $400 million
from the federal government.
A lot of developments.
There were nine demands from the federal government and the Trump
administration giving the university an ultimatum.
The reforms demanded were far-reaching.
Face masks must be banned.
Protesters will be required to identify themselves.
Security officers with special powers to arrest students are to be appointed.
And departments offering courses on the Middle East are to be appointed, and departments offering courses on the
Middle East are to be reviewed and overseen by a new senior provost. That last one felt particularly
unusual. Specifically, the Justice Department is demanding that Columbia place the Middle Eastern,
South Asian, and African Studies Department into quote, academic receivership for five years.
This is the academic equivalent of martial law, effectively removing intellectual authority
from the faculty and placing it in the hands of a cherry-picked outsider.
Columbia told the government it would comply, but as the free press's Maya Sulkin first
reported, the university's president has also promised the faculty that nothing would change.
And how did the students respond?
How do you think a mass group once again stormed the gates of the campus?
The student workers of Columbia, a union for teaching assistants and researchers, protested
outside the school's main entrance Monday among the demands they want Columbia to become a sanctuary campus. Is it at all strange that a conflict in the Middle East is defining our political moment
because, well, it is.
How has the Palestinian cause become as central to students today as the Vietnam War was in
the 1960s?
Well, it didn't happen overnight.
The roots of this revolution at Columbia
and throughout the elite universities
can be traced back to the publication in 1978
of a volume called Orientalism.
Its author was Edward Said,
one of the first activist scholars of his era.
To show how much it has remained important, by the way,
my producers went to the Columbia
campus armed with a copy of the book to speak to students.
I like Said a lot.
I mean, that's like pretty foundational the way that I think about history for sure.
It's a really, really important read.
Orientalism is a book about how the West views the East, specifically how European historians,
thinkers and artists portray Arab and Muslim peoples
and cultures.
Like their mentor, Said, they are following in the tradition of the activist intellectual.
It all brings things back to that famous placard, if you're going to teach Said, why can't
I use it?
Said argues that the stories told in the West about the East are intertwined with imperialism
and presume a Western superiority.
The East is painted in an exotic light, considered primitive and scary, reducing ancient, complex
civilizations to dehumanizing caricatures that help justify the colonial theft and exploitation
of their lands.
Even great artists and novelists were infected by this prejudice.
Good afternoon Dr. Jones. I ought to kill you right now.
Now it can be hard to understand without an example, so for argument's sake,
let's take Indiana Jones, a hat-wearing, whip-cracking, orientalist of the highest order.
Indie is cool, the Nazis are scary, but what about the people from North Africa or Shanghai, the cultures and individuals who provide the backdrop for Indie's thrilling battles with
the Third Reich?
Well, Arab characters are largely monstrous, and they can be murdered as the punchline
to a joke.
Indian royalty aren't much better, serving live snakes, beetles, and other delicacies for dinner.
In Raiders of the Lost Ark, there's even a one-eyed Egyptian who can talk to monkeys.
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He was interested in academia at universities like Columbia.
His books claim that the Orientalist perspective was so deeply buried in academic culture that
in order to cleanse universities of colonial racism, it was necessary for Said and his
followers to kick out the old guard and rewrite the rulebook on the very way that cultures and histories are studied. Orientalism was a hand grenade
tossed into the academy, the effects of which are still felt to this day. Here is the man
himself explaining how the story the West tells about Arabs is a way to dehumanize them. It's a tragedy, virtually impossible for an American to see on television, to read books,
to see films about the Middle East that are not colored politically by this conflict in
which the Arabs almost always play the role of terrorists, violent people.
I'm Eli Lake and you are listening to Breaking History.
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Edward Said was born into a Christian family
in Western Jerusalem,
when it was still part of British-mandate Palestine.
His father, Wadi Said, had become an American citizen
after fighting for the U.S. Army in World War I.
By the time Edward was born, Wadi had built a successful stationary business in Cairo.
The family was wealthy. They owned homes in Jerusalem and Cairo,
and would often spend their summers in the hills of Lebanon.
Said was sent to Victoria College, a British academy modeled on Eton.
One of the older boys during his time at Victoria was the actor Omar Sharif, famous for starring in the brilliant but frankly orientalist
Lawrence of Arabia.
Or is it that you think we are something you can play with?
Because we are little people. Silly people. Greedy, barbarous, and cruel.
He bullied young Edward and flogged him in front of his classmates.
Floggings aside, Edward led a life of privilege becoming a prodigious pianist. His favorite
composer was Chopin. Said was 13 years old during what Palestinians would call the Nahba
and what Israelis called the War of Independence in 1948. But as parents refused to engage in
politics, his mother never spoke about the catastrophe
of five Arab states, not to mention Palestinian militias, losing a war to a scrappy underdog
army of Jews.
Edward Said was a U.S. citizen by dint of his patronage.
For the last two years of high school, his family sent him to Mount Hermon Academy in
western Massachusetts.
He excelled, attending Princeton and then later Harvard, where he
earned his PhD. He then landed a teaching position at Columbia in its English department.
In 1967, as American students around him protested the war in Vietnam, Said's attention was
elsewhere. Said was discovering that he wanted to be a Palestinian. From the U.S. he watched
the Six-Day War.
For the third time since its birth as an independent state, Israel is embroiled in a war with the Palestinian. From the US he watched the Six Day War. Israeli to meet the challenge, Jews from overseas have come to give their support in work and
in blood."
This is how Edward Said describes it in his 1999 memoir, Out of Place.
I was no longer the same person after 1967.
The shock of that war drove me back to where it all started, the struggle over Palestine.
I subsequently entered the newly transformed Middle Eastern landscape as a part of the Palestinian movement that emerged in Amman and then in Beirut in the late 60s to the
70s.
This was an experience that drew on the agitated, largely hidden side of my prior life, the
anti-authoritarianism, the need to break through an imposed and enforced silence, above all
the need to draw back to a sort of original state of what was irreconcilable,
thereby shattering and dispelling an unjust establishment order.
Now, we should say, Said wrote this in the twilight of his life at age 64.
He would die four years later of leukemia.
But in this passage, he's telling on himself.
The 1967 war was the beginning of what many today would call Israel's occupation, but
that would be a very long fuse.
In 1967, the war was a miraculous story of survival.
Israel had fended off three Arab armies.
Indeed, Egypt's strongman, Gamal Abdel Nasser, threatened to drive the Jews into the sea.
And yet it's this failure to extinguish the Jewish state that curiously
awakens Said's anti-authoritarianism. Said was no longer satisfied with a safe career
as a quiet academic, interpreting texts and giving lectures. He wanted to be part of a
wider cause, and that cause would be the liberation of Palestine. We are listening now to Yasser Arafat's famous 1974 speech before the United Nations General
Assembly.
It's the one where he pleaded, today I have come bearing an olive branch and a freedom
fighter's gun. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand."
Saeed helped to translate that speech into English and provided ideas for the team of
Arafat advisors who wrote it.
He emerged in this period of the 1970s as one of those trusted advisors to Arafat and his inner
circle. Eventually, he would be elected as an independent member of Arafat's Palestinian
National Council, which served as a quasi-legislature for his regime in exile. His role was unique. He
did not conform to the type.
Rather than the checkered headdress known as the kaffir chosen by Arafat,
Said trusted the uniform of a British aristocrat with his tailored sports coats, silk ties,
and custom French shirts. Said believed that the people of the Middle East should build their own
image, write their own histories, and tell their own stories,
and not accept the roles assigned to them by the West. This was the central insight in his
groundbreaking book, Orientalism. He wrote that book between 1973, the year that Israel again
bended off Arab armies that nearly succeeded in driving the Jews into the sea, and 1977,
a dark period for the professor when he felt that the world had largely abandoned
the Palestinian cause. He was becoming an activist intellectual. Here is the man himself,
again, reflecting on his process of writing the book in a 1998 interview.
My interest in Orientalism began for two reasons. One was an immediate thing, that is to say the Arab-Israeli war of 1973,
which had been preceded by a lot of images and discussions in the media and the popular
press about how the Arabs are cowardly and they don't know how to fight and they're
always going to be beaten because they're not modern. And then everybody was very surprised
when the Egyptian army crossed the canal in early October of 1973 and demonstrated that, you know, like anybody else, they could fight.
So that was one immediate impulse. And the second one, which has a much longer history
in my own life, was the constant sort of disparity I felt between what my experience of being an Arab
was and the representations of that that one saw in art. I mean, I'm talking about very
great artists, you know, like Delacroix and Ingres and Jérôme and people like that,
novelists who wrote about the Orient, you know, like Disraeli or Flaubert. And, you
know, the fact that those representations of the Orient had very little to do with what I knew about my own background
in life. So I decided to write the history of that.
Now, to 21st century ears, this doesn't seem particularly profound. He sounds like
he's observing what many minorities have felt at various times. The stereotypes about
my group are all wrong.
If you want to understand the Jews or the blacks or the gays or whoever, why not ask
them to write about themselves?
Don't let the oppressor define the people he is oppressing."
But Orientalism was also making a deeper point, and Said here applied the insights of French
theorist, Michel Foucault. It was a spectacularly influential book,
but the fundamental idea in Orientalism,
which Edward got from Foucault...
This is Said's on-again, off-again friend,
Léon Weaseltier, who spoke to me about Orientalism
and Said's legacy.
The fundamental idea, of course, was that knowledge is power
and that objectivity is really not possible.
That knowledge, your representation of a part of the world
or of any subject, is a reflection directly or indirectly,
latently or manifestly, of your interests. And that's the way literary
texts should be read, which is to say they should be read in terms of the relations of power
that they reveal or conceal. Now this is all a bit complex, so let me try to explain.
Foucault's influence on Said was the idea that objective
truth is a delusion. Any writer of history or journalism or fiction writes from their
own perspective, coloring it with what today is known as unconscious bias. The only thing
the writer is really doing is revealing the writer's perspective. And that perspective is a manifestation of the power dynamics that define the limits
of what can and cannot be knowable.
Basically, if you write a history of me, Eli Lake,
what you're really writing is a history of your ideas about Eli Lake.
It has little to do with the real me, the real Eli Lake.
Said's book, Orientalism, took these ideas and pointed them at the historians of the
Middle East from the United Kingdom, France, and America. These were mainly non-Arab and
non-Muslims explaining and characterizing people that their nation-states, Said would
say were in the process of dominating. The histories they wrote, therefore, were an extension of this conquest.
Said would argue that the only thing you could gain from studying the work of Western historians
of the Middle East, who he would call the Orientalists, was how the West saw the Middle
East. For most people, Foucault's theories are interesting but not very useful. We usually
read books to read what the author has to say. A literary critic like Said, though, seeks to uncover the hidden
meaning of an author's work. This was a fairly radical idea in 1978. Today it's
how most of the humanities conducts its scholarship. One of my favorite
explanations of this postmodern approach to reading is from Whit Stillman's
brilliant 1992 film, Barcelona.
Maybe you can clarify something for me.
Since I've been waiting for the fleet to show up, I've read a lot.
Really?
And one of the things that keeps cropping up is this about subtext.
Plays, novels, songs, they all have a subtext, which I take to mean a hidden message or import
of some kind.
So subtext, we know.
But what do you call the message or meaning that's kind. So subtext, we know, but what do you call
the message or meaning that's right there on the surface?
Completely open and obvious.
They never talk about that.
What do you call what's above the subtext?
The text. Okay, that's right,
but they never talk about that.
Edward Said was a subtext guy. Edward famously wrote about Mansfield
Park, about Jane Austen's novel. Again, this is Lianne Weaseltier. That it was really all about
the plantation holdings in the West Indies of the eminence in the story. Unfortunately,
the plant, none of the story takes place in West Indies
and they're not mentioned, I don't believe, once. So he said that it's really about what's
not there, which is one way to read text, a paranoid way to read text.
This may sound all very intellectual to you, very dry, high brow. But at the same time, it was big news.
Orientalism made Said a star. Based in the world capital of media, New York City, Said became a
go-to guest for news chat shows. This was the era of television intellectual celebrities. William F.
Buckley, Christopher Hitchens, Noam Chomsky. Said fit into this constellation naturally.
Back then, as now, the Middle East was in eternal turmoil,
an endless font of breaking news
that needed to be explained to an American audience.
And Said became one of the key voices of explanation.
And in this context, Orientalism became a part
of the new canon.
This changed the very nature of Middle East studies.
The idea would be that Middle Eastern studies, which until then had been conceived of as an
area studies field, that is a study of a certain region, should now be understood as an area of
ethnic studies. This is Middle East historian and professor at Tel Aviv University, Martin Kramer.
And now Orientalism, one of the main arguments of Orientalism is that all Westerners approach
the East with prejudice.
That is, it's ingrained in their culture.
And just as some had argued that anti-Semitism was intrinsic to Europe and the Christian
West. So he basically
took that idea and in a way academically weaponized it because it could then be said that if you
wanted to appoint someone to the faculty who you were sure was not tainted by this prejudice,
the way to do it was to appoint someone who was either Arab or Muslim, a victim of this
prejudice.
Then you knew you weren't getting an Orientalist.
Also following on what you, the point you just made, it created a logic, a rationale
for preferential treatment, affirmative action if you will, for Arab and Muslim scholars
in Middle Eastern studies, something which had not existed to that point.
Yes!
Orientalism basically made the argument against universities hiring Western experts on the
Middle East.
Full stop.
Edward Said was writing with a hammer.
He was shattering the old consensus and discrediting the thinkers who preceded him.
He was bound to make enemies.
But there was one enemy who stood apart.
In the penultimate chapter of Orientalism, Said found and labeled a villain, his contemporary
Bernard Lewis.
Bernard Lewis wrote groundbreaking histories of the Ottoman Empire and the expansion of
the first caliphates into Europe.
He served in MI6 in Istanbul during World War II, and he was at Princeton's Institute
for Advanced Study, where Albert Einstein once hung his hat.
Bernard Lewis was the last great Orientalist.
Said and Lewis hated each other.
In the 1994 afterword to Orientalism, Said described Lewis as a, quote, politically motivated
and hostile witness, end quote, to the subject of his scholarship, Islamic and Middle Eastern
history. Lewis, who spoke 15 languages, was an institution. He had little time for fancy
postmodern intellectuals. He was a historian. He grappled with interpreting and understanding
the past on its own terms. When Orientalism came out in 1978, Bertrand Lewis dismissed
it. Here is Martin Kramer again.
I was Lewis's student at the time, and when Orientalism first appeared, his attitude was
that this would just blow over, the book is so bad, that there's no way that it can gain
any traction.
Well, it didn't blow over.
And so, in 1982, Lewis published a review of Orientalism in the New York Review of Books.
In it, he picks apart Said's book,
pointing out inaccuracies, poor translations, and a tendency to cherry-pick sources. In
one of the most trenchant lines, Lewis writes,
A historian of science is not expected to be a scientist, but he is expected to have
some basic knowledge of the scientific alphabet. Similarly, a historian of Orientalism, that is to say
the work of historians and philologists, should have at least some acquaintance with the history
and philology with which they were concerned. Mr. Said shows astonishing blind spots.
Said would not take this lying down, so he responded to Lewis two months later in the
New York Review of Books with a review of the Lewis review, as it were. It was scathing.
Lewis's verbosity scarcely conceals both the ideological underpinnings of his position
and his extraordinary capacity for getting everything wrong.
Again, Lewis responded publicly and ended up with the last word. He started his response with,
It is difficult to argue with a scream of rage.
These two men represented the past and the future of Middle Eastern studies, and they
were on a collision course.
After the break, Edward Said meets Bernard Lewis face to face in Boston.
It's very rare in academic history that an important debate is actually captured on film. Most of the time the disputes between scholars are conducted
in the driest possible prose and journals only a few dozen people read.
But on November 22nd 1986 Tufts University hosted a significant debate which would underline
the power of Orientalism.
At stake was the credibility of the establishments in Middle Eastern history that had dominated
universities in Europe and America for nearly 200 years.
In one corner, looking to bury those traditions was Edward Said, and by his side was a ringer,
the great intellectual journalist Christopher Hitchens
their opponents that morning were the literary editor of the New Republic Leon Weaseltier and Bernard Lewis the great rival of Said's life
This debate is an encapsulation of a changing of the guard
Lewis for years had rightly enjoyed his reputation as the best and most respected
of the Middle East scholars.
But Said's critique was becoming the new conventional wisdom.
In this world, Bernard Lewis, an old-fashioned white English Jew, had no place explaining
Arab history.
In the audience that day was the cutting edge of their field.
And at least to this crowd, Bernard Lewis was looking like yesterday's man. Unfortunately, he didn't do his side any favors. The debate was a disaster for
the old bastard. As he stumbled, so did the centuries of history that he represented.
Even Lewis' proteges acknowledge this. Here is Ruel Marc Gerecht, who studied with
Lewis at Princeton and maintained a friendship with him until he died at the age of 102.
Certainly cosmologically he thought he lost the debate. I mean we never discussed his debate
performance. He could be a little bit animated about that day, but he certainly understood
that it had not gone brilliantly. This is a snippet of Lewis's opening remarks.
In the course of the centuries long confrontation,
certain traditional attitudes have evolved on both sides.
Among Western visitors to the Middle East
for many, many centuries now, two stereotypes predominate.
The one political, that of arbitrary despotism. The other, shall we
say personal, that of unbridled sexual power. The one relating to the Sultan's palace.
The other to the women's quarters of that palace.
Arbitrary despotism? Unbridled sexual power? Ugh. For a minute he sounded a little bit like this.
Good afternoon, Dr. Jones. I ought to kill you right now.
He was there to argue that Middle Eastern identity was safe in the hands of outsider
historians, but he was doing a good job for a bit of looking exactly like the kind of condescending
Orientalist who Edward Said argued had distorted the field. Even Lewis's debate partner, Leon Wieselcher, thought the great man had flubbed it.
And Bernard, I have to say, let down the side because some minutes into his presentation,
he said something, this is not an exact quote, but he said something like, he mentioned something
about, I don't know, nefarious Arab men and salacious Arab
women or something, and I looked at him and I thought, who's side are you on?
I mean, really, you don't have to come here as one of Edward's 19th century orientalists.
Now, in fairness, Lewis was trying to describe a stereotype that he rejects.
As anyone who has spent time with his books knows, Lewis is a careful and sensitive observer,
but he did a bad job and by the time he closed his argument he veered into a kind of surrealism.
You will probably say, yes, that's apple pie.
To which I would answer, maybe.
But don't forget we are living in a time when apple pie is under attack.
When we are told that since perfect apple pie is impossible, we should eat raw dough and crab apples. Arm the bakers, hide the custard, apple pie is under attack. He didn't even get to finish.
I apologize for interrupting before you finish Professor Lewis, but if I'm to observe the rules, this is the necessity.
Professor Said.
Edward Said rose to the podium and got straight to the point.
There is no abstract knowledge.
All of it is situated relative to other scholarship,
to the realities of distribution and circulation,
to the social institutions, rhetorical traditions,
methodological procedures of the field,
as well as to the political interests and the facts of power and dominance in a given society at given periods."
What was happening here was very significant.
Said was erecting the tombstone for the rights of certain historians to cover certain histories.
In its place, he was building the academic space we live in today.
This was the fuse that led to Columbia's explosion in 2024.
Said succinctly listed what he considered to be the false tropes presented by the American
media.
Roughly speaking, there are a small handful of essential thematic clusters in today's
media coverage of the Middle East. One, the pervasive presence of generally Middle Eastern,
more particularly Arab or Islamic terrorism.
Arab or Islamic terrorist states and groups, as well as a terrorist network comprising
Arab and Islamic groups and states backed by the Soviet Union, Cuba, and Nicaragua.
Terrorism here is most often characterized as congenital, not as having any foundation
in grievances, prior violence, or continuing conflicts.
He continues with a long list of slanders the Western press has leveled about Arabs foundation and grievances, prior violence, or continuing conflicts.
He continues with a long list of slanders the Western press has leveled about Arabs
and Muslims.
And then he says this.
But that the picture of the contemporary and even the historical Middle East is misrepresented
tendentiously, I shall not leave to your charity.
I shall say it myself.
It is a deeply flawed, deeply antagonistic, deeply uninformed and uninforming view that regulates what is covered and what is not covered.
But to a considerable degree it has worked, and this is the shameful part, because of the active collaboration of a whole cadre of scholars, experts and abettors drawn from the ranks of the Orientalist and Special Interest lobbies, among whom one, the Zionist
lobby, has garnered a vastly disproportionate strength, given that Israel and the Middle
East contains only four million inhabitants."
Remember, this is 1986.
Nearly 40 years later, one hears the same tired arguments from elite professors about
the collusion between the media and what Said calls the Zionist lobby.
Said was building the future.
There were, of course, two other people in that debate, and we should look at them as
well, mostly because it's illustrative of the changes that ended up forging the current
academic establishment.
When Christopher Hitchens rose to the podium, he drew blood from Leon Weaseltier and attacked
his publication, The New Republic, directly.
Where did the following appear?
Description of a play at the American Repertory Theatre in this town. Even less of the universalist
prejudices of our culture prepared us for this play's Arab. A crazed Arab to be sure, but crazed in the distinctive ways of his culture.
He is intoxicated by language,
cannot discern between fantasy and reality. Abhor's compromise always blames others for
his predicament and in the end lances the painful boil of his frustrations in a pointless
though momentarily gratifying act of bloodlust. That is a signed comment by the owner and
editor of the New Republic. I disagree with you, Leon, I'm sorry. I don't believe that
could appear about an Indian or an African in any other magazine in this
country. I don't think it would be tolerating for an instant.
Leon was not happy.
Christopher did something that I didn't forgive him for a long time. He reached into a briefcase
at one point and pulled out the most egregiously anti-Arab
sentences that had appeared in the New Republic. And there had been some, God knows. I had
authored none of them, and I had published none of them in my pages, because being a
Zionist does not mean that I have to despise Arabs. And he started reading these things,
and I was just living.
In some ways, that debate,
in which Said and Hitchens prevailed,
only confirms what the world already knew,
that the Bernard Lewis School of Middle Eastern Scholarship
in the West was on its way out.
By the end of 1986, Said's case,
that the conventional scholarship of Islam
and the Arab world was hopelessly racist,
had already won the day inside the academy. Nonetheless, it was an important milestone,
a confirmation that at least inside the ivory tower, the Western gaze would now be interrogated
and attacked, to borrow the language of these now ascendant postmoderns.
But this is only half the story, because while Said won the debate inside the faculty lounge,
the real world was not complying with his elaborate theories.
And here I must acknowledge I am biased on this matter.
I began reading Bernard Lewis after 9-11 as a young national security reporter.
I met him a few times, and I think his work is essential to understanding Islam, the Ottoman
Empire, and the Middle East in
general. If you want to understand why a thinker like Lewis is still very much worth reading
today, just consider the Iranian Revolution of 1979. Iran's pro-government riot police, defending their own headquarters, had superior firepower
to their pro-revolution attackers.
Less than a year after Said released Orientalism, Shia fanatics took over Iran.
The American embassy was taken hostage and their leader, Ayatollah Khomeini, claimed
power.
He replaced a western-backed despot with an Islamic tyranny so vicious that even dog-walking
was banned.
Now, readers of Bernard Lewis at the time would have known that political Islam was
on the rise.
In January 1976, he wrote an essay called The Return of Islam that posed the question
whether a resurgent Islam would tolerate a Jewish or Christian enclave in the Middle
East.
Well, the history of the Islamic Republic of Iran shows that, of course, it would not.
Just consider the regime's support for the terrorists and militias that keep attacking
Israel and have driven so many of Lebanon's Christians into exile or hiding.
Said, however, did not concern himself with the actual events in Iran, so much as the
discourse that emerged around them. He was unprepared
to explain the revolution that year in 1979 on its own terms. His writings on it
focus on what he deems to be the biased Western media coverage of a revolution
that was more an expression in his view of anti-imperialism than an embrace of
violent theocracy. In reality, it was both. But in Said's mind, there was no space for the idea that perhaps the coverage of the
Iranian revolution made it seem like the revolutionaries were a bunch of violent fanatics because,
well, frankly, a lot of them were a bunch of violent fanatics.
Said's obsession with the discourse of the West blinded him to the realities of the East.
And Said's failure to explain the rise of political Islam and its role in the Islamic
Revolution in Iran is a failure that has been emulated over and over again by his many protégés.
After 9-11, for example, when Muslim fanatics steered hijacked planes into the World Trade
Center and the Pentagon, the Academy was largely
caught flat-footed.
It was Lewis and the other intellectual journalists that were outside of the universities that
provided the critical understanding to the public of the history of Islamic fundamentalism.
At the same time, though, Said's impact was stronger than ever inside the universities. Take for example
the concept of Islamophobia. Said did not use the term himself, but Orientalism and
his 1981 book covering Islam were really the important intellectual contributions to this
idea that's prevalent today in most news organizations and for a while at least dictated
the parameters of the debates even after 9-11.
And to prove this point, just consider George W. Bush's remarks after Al-Qaeda attacked
the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
Six days after that catastrophe, the American president appeared at a mosque in Washington,
D.C. with Muslim leaders and said this.
The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from
the Quran itself.
In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil.
For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.
The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam
is all about. Islam is peace.
Now, it's bizarre to claim that the American president who invaded Iraq and Afghanistan
was influenced by Said, but the message of Orientalism had clearly filtered into the talking points of the president.
He was not going to be seen to judge Islam itself.
To be seen to do so was unacceptable for a president at the time, 23 years after the
publication of Orientalism.
Now, here is the greatest irony of this story. In the years since that debate at Tufts, Said's former wingman, Christopher Hitchens, underwent
his own dramatic transformation in the other direction.
You can't complain because you're Islamophobic.
The term is already being introduced into the culture as if it was an accusation of
race hatred, for example,
or bigotry, whereas it's only the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist
religion.
Resist it while you can."
That was the Hitchens of 2009, arguing a position the Hitchens of 1986 would have skewered at
that debate at Tufts University. Over time, Hitch would say his
baggage shifted. The spark was the fatwa on his friend Salman Rushdie for writing the satanic
verses. That bounty enraged Hitchens, who would allow his friend to stay at his Washington apartment
as he tried to hide from the Ayatollah's assassins. It was 9-11 though that was the final straw.
Like Bernard Lewis, Christopher Hitchens would become a proponent of the Iraq War, but he
was scorned by his old comrades on the left for taking that position.
However, as much as the Middle East has changed since the publication of Orientalism, the
universities, and in particular Columbia, remain frozen in amber.
In 2025, the faculty is still a reflection of Said's vision of the colonized people
talking back to empire, so to speak.
Jess perused the offering of its Middle East Studies department.
One of its professors, Joseph Massad, published an op-ed for the website Electronic Intifada
the day after the October 7th pogrom that read, quote,
Perhaps the major achievement of the resistance and the temporary takeover of these settler
colonies is the death blow to any confidence that Israeli colonists had in their military
and its ability to protect them, end quote.
He is teaching a course on the history of Zionism this semester.
Well, of course he is.
In any institution, the faculty set the agenda and set the tone.
This is Martin Kramer again.
And we were to some extent misled during the encampments because we saw the students up front see the faculty.
They were behind the lines.
They weren't there.
This was a student protest, a student mobilization.
Those students would have been in Columbia if it weren't for the faculty that Edward
Said empowered at Columbia.
And those faculty have been advocating for those students to create a wall of protection
around them in the inner sanctums of Columbia's administration from the get-go.
Like their mentor Said, they are following in the tradition of the activist
intellectual. It all brings things back to that famous placard. So if you're going to
teach Said, then Said is all about the activist intellectual, not scholar, the activist
intellectual. This is Ruel Mark Gerecht again. And so, and it's actually a fair point.
I have to say that if you become a devotee of Said, it's bad manners when it comes
to student behavior, it becomes almost obligatory, I think.
But as the Middle East continues to change, it raises an uncomfortable question for Said's followers, so many of whom were
in lockstep solidarity with Hamas after October 7, 2023. Just last week, we began to see the
first real protest against Hamas' rule in Gaza.
Out Hamas, out they're chanting. For a second day in a row, crowds in Gaza shout slogans against the group and call for
an end to the war.
The fact that Palestinians are taken to the streets to demand the end of the regime in
Gaza makes the last year and a half of Hamas solidarity look suspect. Yes, the building occupiers and slogan shouters on campus claim they oppose oppression, but
do they even consider that many Gazans consider themselves oppressed by Hamas?
The barbaric violence of October 7th is not an expression of popular resistance, as the
activists and professors would have you believe.
No!
It was a brutal
and cowardly provocation designed to immiserate the very people that Hamas purports to govern.
The Palestinians in this sense were not only the victims of Israeli bombs, but also Hamas
war plans.
Edward Said's claims about the original Orientalist were always dubious.
He cherry-picked his sources.
He applied postmodern word magic to uncover meanings these authors did not intend. He conducted his scholarship
with an activist focus. But for all its flaws, Edward Said tried his best to humanize the
peoples and cultures he was writing about.
What does it say, though, about his scholarship? That his intellectual protege so casually
conflate the terror of Hamas
with the will of the Gazan people,
that a gang of Islamic fascists
who kidnap babies and grandparents
and shoot young people at a music festival
are presented as the voice of Palestinian resistance.
We have come full circle.
Today, it is the anti-imperialists in the West
who turn the Palestinians into props in their own drama about an American empire.
I believe Edward Said had a word for that freedom of speech.
We love you Hammers, our friends in Hammers.
We're begging for peace.
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