Andy Beshear On What Democrats Need to Change
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00:22free of charge.BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario.Joining me in studio, he's a fellow podcast host, the governor of Kentucky and author of the new book, Go and Do Likewise, How We Heel a Broken Country.Andy Beshear, welcome back to the show.Yeah, thanks for having me.So your book is called Go and Do Likewise.It is drawn from the story, the parable of the Good Samaritan.That is a tale about not leaving a man beaten naked and dying in a ditch, which seems like a pretty low bar for me.
00:50What do you think?It should be a low bar.But in what we're seeing in politics right now, sadly, it's, it's.It's not.And I think it's so important for the moment we're living in.And at a moment of maximum division, this is a story about the guy who's lying naked, beatenon the side of the road, and everybody who looks like him and thinks like him and prays likehim and votes like him walks right on by and doesn't help.
01:14But the person who was raised to hate him and he was raised to hate the other person wholooks different, prays different, thinks different, and votes different is the guy that crossesover, lifts him up, carries him to safety, and if you read it carefully, pays him tofor his health care moving forward. He does, right. He does pay. He does. He pays for some,for some treatment at the end. So who are we not seeing as our neighbors right now? Who areDemocrats stepping over to get to the down the road? Well, especially when you think first aboutDonald Trump, the idea of the enemy from within is the exact opposite of the parable of theGood Samaritan. The idea that everyone is our neighbor. But to Donald Trump, it's only people who
01:56think like him and vote like him.him that deserve to be Americans and everybody else are you people, the enemy.I think as Democrats, we are doing better in this moment.And you see that across America, trying to see people as people that are suffering undertariffs that have added, what, $4,500 in costs just about the same stuff this year thatyou bought last year.The price of diesel and gas has never been higher.And so I think a lot of Democrats are doing better because they're showing up and they're
02:26listening. They're talking to people instead of at people. Yeah, I guess something that we'reinterested in the question, though, because look, we've seen for a very long time Christian nationalistpolitician sort of, you know, holding the Bible in their hand and using it to justify what a lotof Christians would say is unchristian policies and politics. But if on our side, the parablejust teaches us that, well, we're right about.immigration, like, what are the places where you feel that Democrats are not living up tothe values of the Good Samaritan?Where are the places where, you know, to be, you know, in some sense, like, Jesus is a radical.
03:10What are the ways in which we are not being radical in defense of these kinds of values?Well, if faith done right, you're right, is challenging.You know, if you think that you've done it all, then you're just living that bumper stickerfaith where you just check each of the boxes.What do I think we need to do?I think we need to do more to make sure everyone in America has enough to eat.And we were moving better in that direction until that big ugly bill kick 25,000 Kentucky kids off their food benefits.So 25,000 kids in my state are hungrier than they were before.
03:40I think we've got to figure out a way to where everybody can see a doctor when they're sick.And obviously, that's getting harder and not easier.Part of its costs, part of its access.So in Kentucky, I was able to open the first pediatric autism center in Appalachia.First-time families in that area were not told the best thing that they could do for health care is to move.Housing is a big one.And Democrats have gotten in our own way about housing.You know, over-regulation and nimbism have led us to a situation where the average age of first-time homeownership is 40 years old.
04:13If you wonder why people are losing faith in the American dream, it's that they can't raise their family in a house like they were raised in.So I think in the future, you know, Democrats ought to be making an aspirational investment.investment in housing, but tying those dollars to the speed at which you break ground.So I think sometimes if we think about mistakes that the Democratic Party has made, it is a lackof urgency.It's the idea that people need help right now.And when we set up programs to provide that help, there were so many rules in it and so manyboxes to check that either it never came about or took a really long time.
04:46What do you think is the single most important thing that the federal government could doto build more housing?What is the thing like to help address the housing affordability?It's got to start with funding because when we look at at funding, you could run it, say,through a state's affordable housing trust fund and we leverage nine private dollars for every one public dollar.So for instance, in my last budget, which the Republican super majority did not accept, I was going to take $125 million from our three plus billion dollar rainy day fund, roll it through that fund and we create a billion dollars of housing that's out there.And so a lot of this can get started.With that federal funding, there's got to be the will, but we've got to tie it to the speed at which you break ground.
05:31Right?If the federal government did that, the last thing a governor ever wants to do is give back federal funds, mayors too.But just like federal highway funds are used, it is a way that we could push through that overregulation and NMBISM.So you lead the DGA, the Democratic Governors Association.First of all, what are you seeing in terms of these governor's races in red states?Where are you most hopeful?Where do you think people should be paying more attention?We have one of the most exciting and challenging maps because it is so exciting that we've had in DGA history.
06:09First, it looks like all of our incumbents are going to get reelected, and that's where you start in these organizations.They're the folks that are helping us raise the money.Katie Hobbs has grown.a lead, Tina Kotech started out in a tough race, and that's moving in the right direction.Then you look at all the places we have a Democratic governor, and we want to protect their legacy.Those are places like Wisconsin and Michigan and even Kansas.But I think we're going to win all of those.You then move to the first group of flips that we thought would be in play, say, eight, nine months ago.
06:43And those are Ohio, Nevada, Iowa, and Georgia.And all of those are in play.I think in the very least, Iowa and Ohio flip, especially after Ramoswamy has run the most despicable ad, I think in political history.Incredible.Yeah.It really is the most despicable ad in political history.And I think the word I came to a little earlier today was revolting.Yeah.
07:09Because when you hear it, you just pull back.It is so far beyond the pale.And then we are moving in the right direction in both George.and Nevada and I'd much rather be us than them and we got great candidates there.What do you think about Texas?Well, that's the next group of states that have come on and come on later.It's almost like the newest additions to red to blue if we were the DCCC and it's Nebraska,Oklahoma, Texas and Florida, all in play or in that margin, all with good candidates.
07:41So you face some criticism for not putting more money into Texas.I believe DJA has put in a million dollars, some leaders down there.we're pushing you to put in $10 million.What's up, Scrooge?What's going on?Well, I've got a size 10 budget and a size 16 map.Okay.And Texas came into play later than others.
08:02And obviously, Texas is more expensive to move the needle.It's also a direct give state.So any of those big donors who might look at the DGA can look directly at Texas.But we are working with Gina Hinojosa's campaign.We want her to have the very best shot.And we also have to make sure that we continue our investments in places that we've been investing in, you know, for the last six, seven months.I want to go back to the Ramoswamy ad because I do think it ties back to what you're talking about in the book.So Vance has been on the stump and he's been defending the ad and he's been saying things like, oh, you know, Democrats are attacking us for being mean.
08:42The ad is just he's trying to treat it like normal politics.and saying, oh, we're just calling it.It is so far beyond normal politics.Right.But what I'm interested in it about it is he seems to be trying to tell the audience at these rallies that it's okay, right?Like, you don't need to feel bad about this.We're not doing anything wrong.Well, to Vance and to Trump, there is an us and a you people.
09:05And I talk about this in the book.To him, everything is red or blue.Right.If you're in his red camp and someone would do something like this, how dare you?Right.It's terrible and it's wrong.But if it's done to somebody in the blue camp, then it's okay.Why?
09:21Because it's the ultimate othering of people.And when you do that, you start dehumanizing them.And then all of a sudden that justifies doing things to people that you would otherwise never do.I mean, this is an ad about Amy Acton's mom who married a man, who sexually abused Amy,who was indicted and arrested for it and then fled the state.and ultimately passed away in a different state.Her mom went with him, did not believe her, and she has not seen her,since the day of the arrest and somebody would put her in an ad.
10:00It's just disgusting.So, and obviously I agree with that.And like, clearly something has happened on the right that I don't think has an equivalent on the left, right?There's no, like, this is why I sort of come, like, you know.But only Trump and Vance really are defending.And I do want to give the Rob Portmans of the world and the Mike DeWines who should rescind that endorsement.Like it's not enough just to say a horrific ad is horrific.You cannot support the person who came forth with it.
10:30I mean, this is disqualifying for Ramoswamy.You know, his baseball swing was bad.This is obviously a lot worse.A person who would willingly put this on TV, how can they be in charge of the state police, which are investigating these types of crimes, or the policies that would supportvictims of rape. And this was a child. I mean, she's basically putting on someone who is denyingher own child's abuse. And you'd be willing to do that. You can't be governor after that.So I take your point. So you have Trump defending, you advance offending it, you have the Ramoswamycamp defending it. You have some big popular right-wing media figures defending it. It's a debate on
11:10the right, right? It's an undebatable question, but it's being debated on the right.Pretty sad.We have to defeat this movement.We have to...Agree.We have to defeat it, right?Healing a broken country in this case is not about...It's about actually kind of trying to leave him in the ditch a little bit here.
11:28Right.I mean, this is...I think this is the part of the book where we're trying to reclaim faith to do good.Right.The idea that Vance would use it to divide as opposed to unify.And the idea is if we are living out our faith...faith in the way that we're actually called to do it, then hopefully that gives the grace in thespace for maybe not the elected officials themselves, but some of their voters to come back.
11:54And so I think it's fine to judge Trump and Vance and certainly Ramoswami.But I tried not to judge their voters because I want this Trump era to be an aberration in historyand not the new normal.You know, I want it to be viewed as McCarthyism 20 years from now and that we were able to dobetter.But clearly there is a there is a.is a portion of our country, right, that has become a bit enamored of this kind of dominance politics,this kind of way of seeing the world, right, that like there is something really toxic that is
12:26not just coming from Trump, right? Trump maybe makes it worse. Trump maybe has built on it,but he clearly has grabbed onto something that is in our culture, something pretty toxic innot just, look, it's, it is all well and good for politicians to decry the ways politiciansdivide us. But sometimes it's the supply, sometimes it's the demand. There is a lot ofa demand in our country right now for this kind of politics a lot among a fair number of people.Well, there may be some, but so much of culture comes from the top.That could be the CEO of a company or it can be the president of the United States.And I even see it at dinner tables and families talking about it that before people wouldn't say certain things.
13:05But when the most powerful man on earth acts the way that this president does, it gives permission for other folks to do it too.And through the book, I talk about this.We had a governor in Kentucky, Matt Bevin, who was Trump before Trump.It did so many of the things we're seeing the president do now.Manipulated religion in a way that was aggressive a la Pete Heggseth.He called himself the watcher on the wall and would try to weaponize folks at anti-abortion rallies saying I had blood on my hands and people shouldn't keep their powder dry using the types of language that could incite violence.But we were able to move beyond it.All right? We were able to not just defeat him in an election, but lead in a type of way where seven years later, as a people, we're not divided like we were before.
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14:48A lot of the attention, part because we have a lot of media that comes out in New York,you know, there's a lot of attention on the lefties, on the mom donies and some of the moreleft congressional figures and arguments over some of their more extreme statements.Meanwhile, and I'm going to say a word that is, I would say, unkind.But I'm going to say that there's been a kind of way in which we don't pay enough attention to the boring governors.But like the Roy Cooper's, the Andy Bishar's, who are not as far left, who are succeeding in states that are either swing states or red states and kind of drawing less attention and less conversation about what their success is drawn from.And I'm curious what you think that success is, right?Like you win in Kentucky by five points in a state that Trump won by, by, was it 30 point?
15:42I mean, just a huge 30 points.The year, the year right after.So why do you think that that is, how do you think that is possible?What is what is the difference between, what is the difference between how people see you and how people see Democrats nationally?Well, I first start by saying the way, the way you started it was unfair.But Marie Dowd, who is one of the funniest people that I've met, asked a similar question.And she said, well, with all the stunts and everything that's going on, she said,Governor, do you think someone, do you think people will be drawn to someone like you that is
16:14vanilla?And I said, well, Marine, vanilla is still the best selling flavor in the United States by far.That's true.That's true.So for me, it's really a three-part approach that I think has helped me be successful in Kentucky.And it's being followed by a lot of other people around the country.The first is I stand up for all my convictions, but I spend 80% of my time.on things that matter to 100% of the people in my state.
16:39And that is a job where you can afford the things you need.It's your next doctor's appointment.It's the roads and bridges you drive,the public school you drop your kids off at,and whether you feel safe in your community.Now, people want their elected officialsto be focused on their everyday lives.And by following an 80-100 rule,
16:56I'm disciplined in the way that I not only run,but that I govern, that shows people their lives are getting better.You know, we build a new road that saves you 20 minutes,20 minutes each direction. You've got 40 more minutes with your family. We build the first hospitalon our largest African American community in 150 years, and it serves 60,000 patients in its firstyear. The first pediatric autism center in Appalachia, those are the types of things that lifteverybody up and leave no one out. The second thing I try to do, and I think you all havediscussed it, is to talk like a normal human being. The advocacy speak that had gotten into the Democratic
17:33party's lingo made us sound like we were lecturing, made us sound like we were preaching, that we weretalking at people instead of two people. But the third piece, and I think it's the most importantin post-pandemic politics, is I try to get beyond the what, the pro this or the anti-that,and to the why. I think authenticity is so important now, especially in a world of social media.And people, you know, they can look up your policy positions, but they really want to know you.And that's what the book's about.It's about my why, what drives me.I mean, most people would look at politics and say, why in the world would you ever get into it?
18:11And they need an answer to that.Well, part of this, though, is when you're the governor, you're not really in the national debate.And one challenge for national political figures is it's all well and good to say, well, I'm only going to talk about the stuff everybody likes and I'm not going to talk about the stuff people don't like.But then all of a sudden you're being asked, do you agree with what Gavin Newsom says?said about trans athletes. And this candidate in New York said that, you know, America is a sourceof evil in the world. Do you agree with that or do you disagree with that? And suddenly,you're in those conversations and you have to have either, you have to have a way of having a viewon those things. You get asked those things. But, you know, the people of the United States
18:50can agree or disagree with you on some things, but they really want to know that you're focusedon them. And the concern about some of, not those questions, but the media is if the media makes youtalk, 80% of your time, on those things that don't impact most people, it can create thatmisperception. And so I actually think governors have an advantage, especially moving forward,just in the fact that we have the receipts, right? If people really need new housing,they can look to see if you've built it. If people need a better job to afford what they need,you can see our average wage for a new job in Kentucky is at an all-time high. So I think as wemove forward, because remember, Donald Trump promised
19:30a lot of things and then he did the exact opposite.And people are gonna start very, very skeptical.So I think the record is important.But there's no question that cable news sets up outside of Congress, right?And just rolls people through.And it's a tough sell to the American people who are hurting now because they're talking about voting on the amendment to the rule.And how does that impact people's daily lives?That's not Congress's fault.
19:55But it creates a perception even of the Democratic Party that we're not getting things done.So speaking of Congress, Mitch McConnell was absent for 92 days.You said you had talked about the ways in which the rules had been changed to try to preventyou for being able to appoint a replacement if one was open.You ultimately said you couldn't fill the vacancy or call a special election if therewas a unless there was a death or resignation or expulsion.But McConnell's back, do you think that currently Kentucky has a working?senator performing the duties in Senator Mitch McConnell?
20:33Yeah, sadly, I have real concerns over that.And first, I know online, folks thought a governor, a state official, could kick a federalofficial out of their job.And if you could do that, imagine what would have happened back in history or what wouldhappen if Tala Rico wins, but Abbott wins too.I mean, there are really good reasons that a governor can't declare a U.S. Senate vacancy.And a lot of what was what was online just assumed he was dead.But the question is capacity.
21:04And there are very serious concerns.And I think this is why people think the Senate's broken.And by the way, he's the person who broke it.Because what you saw with Mitch McConnell is the willingness to change any policy or take any position if it meant one more R than one more D in the Senate, which is why they're wheeling him in right now.so that there is one more R than one more D.And I think the way out of this has to be at some point affix the government constitutional amendment.It ought to have term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court.If you did that, you'd end the gaming of these Supreme Court appointments.
21:43But I think it ought to go beyond that.Outlaw partisan gerrymandering, overturned citizens united, ban stock trading by certain public officials.If we would do that, I know it can be hard, but constitutional amendments have come out of times of turmoil before, and we're certainly in one of those, but we could actually offer a fix to the next generation and the one after.And then maybe we would get back to seeing, say, Southern Democrats and Republicans working together on an issue that impacts them or in the West.It could be water rights or others and everything not just being an R versus a D vote.So I saw you told a story about the last time he talked to J.D. Vance, it was some sort of, he was an investor in Kentucky. He was there with Martha Stewart. Any more details about that?Yeah, that was a company called App Harvest that was looking at doing indoor grow operations and built a number of big facilities in Kentucky. Ultimately, the company itself went under, though we've had other companies come in and take over those operations. But it was a pretty odd room to be in.Martha Stewart and a pre-U.S. Senator J.D. Vance.
22:51Do you remember any any, do you have any interactions?I have very minor interactions with them. I just said hello. But I think anybody who's followed me knows my feelings on J.D. Vance.Yes. It's a pretty harsh word. What do you say to him? You said a poverty tourism?Yes.Yes. So J.D. Vance writes a book called Hillbilly Ellogy, claiming to understand Appalachian culture.Like the guy grew up outside of Cincinnati. And I get him.would visit his grandparents, but to claim you know Appalachia and to judge it, to call the peoplelazy, to call the drug epidemic, the fault of the people of Appalachia when opioid companies
23:28were flooding communities with hundreds of pills for every man, woman, and child is wrong.But J.D. Vance looks down on everyone. And when I'm thinking about my faith, it always hits methat the people who manipulate the Bible typically believe that the Bible is the wordGod like he's overseeing the translations but they add words to it right it says judge notlet you be judged period not unless you look different vote different pray different love differentand that's what you see so many people who are trying to hijack faith do one of my pastors oncesaid you know your faith has been hijacked when suddenly your God hates all the same people that youdo but it's also so nice you know now you've this
24:16This book, Go and Do Likewise, How We Heel a Broken Country.It is part of a tradition of potential presidential candidates writing a book, an autobiography on their way to a presidential campaign.I'm not going to put you on the spot about that unless you'd like to talk about it.I don't have any announcement today, but I will say the book is not a traditional autobiography.And I was unwilling to do one because oftentimes that's whining about your parents.and I had great parents.And have I had different challenges in life?Sure.
24:50But I've been blessed in so many different ways to have a great family of my own now.And so as you know, the book is about a challenge that's been before me or our state in my time as attorney general or as governor.And how faith has guided me to hopefully help somebody instead of hurt somebody in those instances.You know, you've been on the show several times.You have this obviously important perspective as someone who's figured out how to build a winning coalition in a red state.I often feel like I want to understand the ways in which you talk about doing the things that 100% of the people want to do or 80% that people want to do.But you're here at a time in which Democrats are running against the worst president in any of our lifetime.at a time in which they've launched a war without Congress,
25:48they've put on tariffs that have made America's main concern worse.The Republicans in Congress have looked past all of this corruption,and we're desperately trying to fight to victory, right, across the country.There are places where it's going to be really close.And I feel like there's a lot of people who look at that and say, you know what?Like, I'm really frustrated with the Democratic Party,and I'm looking for people that are going to challenge the Democratic Party.And I'm curious about, like, what are the places where,
26:11you feel like you're sort of angry about the direction of the party, where you feel as thoughyou want to convince Democratic voters that they've been getting something wrong. Like, where arethe places where you want to reshape this party in some way?Well, I think that the party has got to be more pragmatic and less ideological. Now, the ideais if people are suffering, our job ought to be to help them. Now, so often in the Democraticparty, if you don't have the exact perfect set of views said in the exact right way, thatthen you can feel excluded.We need to make sure that this is a party that more people want to join.
26:47And the way we do that is by focusing on people's everyday needsthat right now they feel are not being metand having a real sense of urgency.Are there examples, though, of that?What are the things where you say, like, you know what?Like, this is where I feel like the National Democratshave been getting it wrong.Well, you can go back to the Internet for All program
27:06in the Biden administration,which when it passed was going to be a game changer for Kentucky.Think about areas of Appalachia or far western Kentucky where we don't have the number of jobs we'd like to.But if you have high-speed broadband everywhere, you can live where you love and work for anyone anywhere in the world.So we celebrated that.But they put so many rules and regulations in place.We had to bid out who was going to do the work down to a microscopic level before we ever got the money.And it took so long, it never happened.
27:38Right?We are four years from the time when Congress said, this is the infrastructure of right now and everyone desperately needs it right now.And there isn't one inch of fiber in the ground.So we got to be a party that gets results.So is that?And we haven't always been.Is that because of union rules, environmental rules?Like, what is the criticism?
27:56Like, what is?Way too many rules.You know, pick, pick and choose, but you, you, what you're saying that like, Democrats are beholden to certain constituencies.Like, I want to know the places where it's like, this is going to be the hard part of the conversation.Well, it was, it was even, it was even the story.start. You know, a person in that administration once said to me, we're going to do it slow,but we're going to get it right. Uh-uh. If you do it slow, you might not get it done at all.And so I really think it's been, it's, it's been almost a technocrat approach. If that were me,
28:24what would I do? We'd get the money to the states. We'd have all the rules, but then we would auditthem. Like, let people get after it. We've far too often looked for perfection. Like, the plan has to be100% perfect on all these levels.Instead of if we've got something that's 80%,let's start doing it, right?Let's actually get the results.And we haven't been a party of urgency.And I think now we can be.
28:47So the original Kentucky Fried Chicken Restaurantis in Harlan Sanders Cafe and Museum in Corbyn, Kentucky.But in 1968, Colonel Sanders and his wifeopened the Claudia Sanders dinner house in Shelbyvilleafter they grew unhappy with changesto the recipe after he sold the company.If I want original Kentucky Fried Chicken, where do I go?Do I go to the cafe or do I go to the dinner house?
29:08Yeah, you go to the cafe.Okay.Yeah, and the dinner house, they just sold off a lot of.Oh, really?Yeah.So I sometimes have to look at people and say, you know, Kentucky apologizes for Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.But we did give you Muhammad Ali and Colonel Sanders.That is pretty good.
29:24That is pretty good.Now, I do want to end with a very brief quiz we're calling the audacity of tropes.I'm going to read you a title and you have to guess the author.Okay.If these are political biographies, I will fail this badly.America, a redemption story, choosing hope creating unity by a South Carolina senator who dropped out of the 2024 GOP primary.Ooh, the 2024 GOP, South Carolina, Lindsey Graham?It was Tim Scott.
29:50Tim Scott.Let's see.A call to service, my vision for a better America.He was a Massachusetts senator who served in Vietnam.Ooh, I'm going to fail this one, too.John Kerry. That's where I was going to go.It was John Kerry. Let's see. A Time for Truth.But I thought you would have said a presidential candidate.
30:08Yeah, well, these are all presidential candidates.A Time for Truth, reigniting the promise of America.Hint, born in Canada, famously visited Cancun.Ted Cruz.That is Ted Cruz.The Truths we hold an American journey.Hint, only ran a campaign for 107 days.Mark Warner.
30:27Kamala Harris.That was Kamala Harris.Oh, that was her book before her first race.And finally, failing badly.Doing terribly.Finally, this is Herman Kane.Herman Kane.Yes, right.
30:38You got it.That's right.I appreciate the title of that book.That was good.So I should have titled my book, Andy Beshear, something.Andy Bashir something.Well, thank you for coming out and talking to us today.Is there anything you think people should be doing in this home stretch?
30:54We've got these competitive Senate races across these red states.You've got these governor's races.What do you think is the most helpful thing for people to do right now?I think at this point, it's volunteer.And whether that's phone banking or knocking on doors,it is now time to get people out to vote.What you do online is important,but clicks don't equal votes unless you actually get those people to the polls.
31:18And there are lots of candidates that need help.And it's not just these big Senate campaigns.It's your school board and everything in between.Now, this is the time for our generations to protect our democracy.I think people are called on to do it, you know, every, every couple of decades.And so it's critically important that we get out.There is a chance for this to be a historic election.It's a chance to be a historic rebuke of Donald Trump, and we've got to make sure that it is.
31:44And one to ten odds you're running for president.Ah, I can't set those odds because I still got to have a pretty important conversation with my family sometime after this election.All right.Governor Boucher, thank you so much for your time.I appreciate it.
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