Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 10/15/25: Israel Threatens Ceasefire, Trump Blackmails Argentina Voters, Voters Turn On Data Centers

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

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how you guys do this you got to set up all this all this all right all right all right i'm going to try and do this so we're going to start off with israel uh ryan is going to give us a lot of updates there's some crazy stuff going on. Israel originally threatening to halt half of the aid going into Gaza accusing Hamas of violating the ceasefire. Hamas accusing them of violating the ceasefire. There's still quite a bit going on behind the scenes and implementation of that as it is precarious and still, you know, obviously could fall apart at any moment with Donald Trump kind of weighing in on Israel's side, but also making a very revealing comment about Hamas and about law and order inside of Gaza, which Ryan is going to fully flesh things out for us.

president of our Argentina, Javier Malay, was in Washington yesterday to secure his bailout, Donald Trump, justifying to the cameras, why he deserves a $20 billion bailout. You'll be shocked to learn the answer. We're going to talk about data centers, something we have been tracking here very closely at breaking points. There is a continuing grassroots campaign across the entire nation, including my home state of Virginia, where data centers consume some 40% of the electricity produced in the entire state. A lot of grassroots local people organizing against data centers and all of it for what purpose for artificial intelligence leading to Sam Altman's landmark decision yesterday where he announced

that pornography, personalized pornography, will soon be made available on chat GPT. So you can assume what I'm going to say about that. We're going to talk about the Pentagon. Ryan and I, we need to go off on this. I have just been, I have felt so angry about it because my first job in Washington was covering the Pentagon. Ryan, I know you've covered the Pentagon as well. The Pentagon is just making up outright lies to ban all journalists basically from the building, trying to require them to sign some bullshit pledge. So we're going to go through point by point and tell you why every single thing that they're saying is a complete and a total lie and has basically made it so that there's even less transparency, not to where there already was very little, even when

you were able to get anything from them at the Pentagon at a time of, you know, one trillion dollars that we spend on the defense budget, people getting drone struck or whatever in the middle of the Caribbean. There is quite literally only one reporter who will be at the Pentagon as of today from one America news. So great. Okay. We're going to talk about Maine. Janet Mills, the sitting governor jumping into the race if elected as a Democrat. She would be the oldest freshman senator in United States history. This is the United States Senate. And this is in the United States Senate. To set an age record in the Senate is impressive. That's very impressive. So Ryan and I are going to discuss that hot campaign, how the Chuck Schumer is already jumping in seemingly on her side.

And then finally, Pakistan, this is a Ryan Grimm special. So I'm going to turn it over to him, and he's going to tell us some of the details where DropSight appears to have uncovered. I'll let you say it. Yeah. Pakistan over the last several days has massacred hundreds, maybe even more than that, of pro-Palestine protesters. Wow. Coinciding with Shabashirif, the Pakistan Prime Minister, going to Egypt to nominate. Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

We'll talk about that in the way that we may be getting another India-Pakistan war pretty soon, and then we'll finish off by talking about a little Barry Weiss. Over at DropSight, we looked into her investigation into her attempt to basically deny the famine that's underway by looking into the cases of a bunch of sick children there, and we'll tell you what we found there. But, Saga, you nailed it. You cruised right through that. Thank you. I appreciate you. Right. I appreciate you very much. Thank you to everybody's been subscribing, supporting the show, breaking points.com. If you are able to become a member, you can join the AMAs and you can, of course, watch the show an hour early. If you can't afford it, no worries, just please go ahead and hit subscribe on YouTube on YouTube to the channel. If you're listening to this as a podcast, please send your favorite episode to a friend, your favorite segment, whatever, anything, it really helps people find the show or give us a five-star rating. So let's go ahead and start with Israel. Let's go and put this up here on the screen.

threatened yesterday telling the United Nations it plans to have aid into Gaza amid a partial return of slain hostages bodies. So let's go and put A2 up on the screen. This is all amid a big fight between Israel and Hamas over the technicalities of the phase one return of the hostage deal. But much of this pertains to the actual bodies of the hostages who were killed while they were held in Hamas captivity. Now, part of the Hamas explanation is that, the devastation in Gaza complicates the retrieval of all remains. I should note that as of this morning, Israel did back off of their threat to restrict aid into Gaza, deciding that some 600 aid trucks will be allowed to enter today. Restoring the full volume that was agreed to at the

beginning of the ceasefire. But I think, Ryan, what I'm, hopefully you can help break down for us, is the precarity through which Israel and through which this ceasefire deal could quite easily collapse and how there are serious elements in the Israeli government who would want nothing less than to have this ceasefire completely collapsed. They have their hostages back now, the living ones. They never particularly cared, at least this particular government about those hostages. And they would love nothing more than to torpedo it and to resume the war. Yeah, the Ben Gavir and Smotrich faction of the government are looking for every avenue in that they can to try to disrupt this and make a fool out of Trump.

who has said that the war is over. We have a ceasefire, and we're going to make sure the ceasefire stops. While I'm talking, you can put up A2B, Abdel Cotter for a drop site provided us this footage. This is four of the deceased hostages being taken to the Red Cross. There are 28 that are to be turned over. In the agreement, and if I remember, I'll put it in the notes to this show,

you can read the agreement for yourself. It's very short. It says that once Israel moves back behind the line that they've agreed to, which they've done, that within 72 hours, all the bodies in the possession of Hamas and other resistance factions, is the one than just Hamas that had them, will be turned over to the Red Cross and to Israel, while information about the known or likely whereabouts of the rest of them will also be turned over. So there's an entire process because the mediators clearly understood because they're not idiots that in a war zone, which is covered in rubble, you know, north to south, it's going to be,

it's going to take some time to find not just these, you know, 28 bodies, but the tens of thousands of bodies of Palestinians who are also under the rubble. If you think about it, if the, you know, Hamas, it does appear like Hamas killed six hostages, It was five or six hostages in the tunnel to prevent them from being captured in this, like, horrifying situation almost a year ago, I think, at this point. Otherwise, according to Israeli media reports, the way that a significant number of the hostages were killed was through Israeli airstrikes. And so, therefore, where are those bodies? Those bodies are deep in tunnels and they're under rubble. 972 in particular reported that Israel discovered that as a byproduct of its 2,000 pound bombs,

they could basically suck all the oxygen out of the tunnels within like a 500 or 1,000 meter period, and they know for a fact that they killed some hostages that way. So how do you find those immediately? Mediators understood this is going to take some time. And so for Israel to immediately kind of renege on the agreement and say, okay, we're now cutting aid, and to go directly to cutting aid, I think was a bit too much, and that's why they're saying, okay, we're going to allow the 600 trucks in. Because Israel, it seems like Israel's gotten a little bit too comfortable explicitly using

the starvation of a civilian population for its military and political ends. That is a war crime. Like, since World War II, everyone has agreed. collective punishment is a war crime you can't do it and so even in the beginning of the war Israel was reluctant to say that the starvation of the population was being used as a weapon of war because you just couldn't say that out loud now they don't now they're not now they're just saying it but we didn't get all of our bodies yet you're only getting 300 trucks and and pressure came back on Israel you can't you can't actually do that and now

you have your hostages back. So the political calculus is a little bit different now that they have their now that they have their hostages back. Now the other fight that is unfolding here is about the state of Hamas's arms going forward. And there's some indications from Hamas actually that they're now offering to give up heavy weapons, which should be, you know, rockets, which is actually a huge victory, especially for the people that live around the envelope, but also you know, those rockets went pretty far. It also is a signal that they're backing off of offensive strikes, you know, into Israel as a part of this. They say they want to keep their small arms. And small arms are not a threat to an Israeli or to Israel unless they're

inside Gaza. You know, right? You're not a guy with a gun. And Daryl Bala is not a threat to somebody in Tel Aviv. Unless that person from Tel Aviv gets in a tank and comes into Daryl Bala, then they're in trouble. So let's roll, let's roll President Trump talking about this question of Hamas disarmament. We have told them we want to disarm and they will disarm. And if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. And it'll happen quickly and perhaps violently. But they will disarm.

Do you understand me? Yes. Because you always, everyone says, oh, well, they won't disarm. They will disarm. And I spoke to Hamas. And I said, you're going to disarm, right? Yes, sir, we're going to disarm. That's what they tell me.

They will disarm or we will disarm them. Got it? Okay. What is the deadline you're going to put on that? You say quickly, sir. You said quickly, but what is the deadline you're going to put on them before you take action? Pretty quickly. A reasonable period of time.

a reasonable period of time. But a reporter later followed up and was like, hold on a second, sir. I think you just said that you spoke to Hamas. That would be huge news, if true. He's like, well, I didn't speak to Hamas. He's like a very senior Hamas person spoke to somebody senior in our administration. A.K.A. Steve Wickoff. Right.

And this is what they relayed. Now, the question of arms also goes to law and order in Gaza. And unless you have any thoughts on that, we could roll him talking about. about the gangs. Well, just to set it up, it is an interesting question now about the post-governance of Gaza because the United States has committed to some sort of coalition provisional authority which will govern. Hamas will have to give up its weapons, but it'll be allowed to enter the political process. But in the interim, because it is not under occupation, who is administering

day-to-day justice, if you will. And immediately, what's been coming out from the Gaza strip are images actually of Hamas, or at least Hamas militants. committing executions. And those executions, there's been a lot that's been thrown about. Some pro-Israelis have been saying that, oh, actually, this is Hamas executing, quote-unquote, collaborators. Hamas is like, no, these are criminals, people who are hoarding food, who were stealing and were looting in the middle of this. And Trump, it appears, actually is endorsing these executions saying, yeah, he's like, they're taking care of some troublemakers. I don't have a problem with it, to be honest with you. Let's take a listen. You know, they did take out a,

couple of gangs that were very bad, very, very bad gangs. And they did take them out. And they killed a number of gang members. And that didn't bother me much, to be honest with you. That's okay. And it's a couple of very bad gangs. You know, it's no different than other countries. Didn't bother me much, to be honest with you. So what do we know about these guys, right? Because the pro-Israel side is adamantly saying, this is Hamas who is executing people who collaborated with the IDF, this shows their barbarism, etc. The president of the United States seems to believe that it is criminal gangs, perhaps that's backed up by intelligence, but it does highlight kind of the issue of who is going to administer like day-to-day law and order inside

of the Gaza Strip, in particular because the Israelis never wanted to do it. And now that they're gone and it's no longer like an anarchist war zone, something is going to fill in and step up that vacuum. Yeah. And so the Ministry of Interior yesterday put out a statement that that was kind of putting on record what had been circulating inside of Gaza, which is that, look, if they said, the statement says, look, if you participated with these, these gangs, either Israeli-backed or otherwise, that were looting aid, that were causing chaos, turn yourself in, and we have a week-long period of amnesty, and it ends October 19th. And, and it ends October 19th. And it's time to reintegrate into Palestinian society.

Now, when you get, what are you going to get a little slap on the wrist? They're going to shoot your leg? Like, I don't know, I don't know what this kind of amnesty actually means, and this will require some new reporting. It might just mean you come in, you say who you are, who your family is, you say what you did, and you promise you're not going to do it again, and it's a process of truth and reconciliation moving forward. They said if you committed bloodshed, if you killed someone, you're not eligible for this. You have to, you have to submit yourself to real justice. So what they say with the folks there, that they were offered amnesty, some of them refused,

and there was then a gun battle. They lost a gun battle, and then they were executed there. Now, here's what's wild. And here's an interview you wouldn't see on any American television program. I want to read some of this to you and get your reaction to it because it's it. I think, as you'll see, Hamas actually, I think, has a lot more similarities with probably the American right. I think you're going to hear some of this and be like, yeah, okay, this kind of tracks with my political philosophy. A little more than a squishy liberal like me who is like, what about due process?

You know, what about confronting your accuser? So this is an interview on a Saudi television program, which is hostile to Hamas. Like, Saudis, they wish Hamas did not exist. And so they invited on from Nusurit, a guy named Sheikh Husni al-Mugni, who is his official title, he's head of the Supreme Committee for Palestinian Tribal Affairs. But he's understood in Gaza to be a strong representative of civil society. Like, he's one of these guys that's just very well. respected around the kind of Gaza civil civil community. So the interviewer, and you can find this

clip, it's in Arabic though, this on drop site. I'll read some of it here. The interviewer is constantly pressing him to try to condemn Hamas and condemn because like they're executing people in cold blood like in public on video. And Saudis famously are very against them. Yeah, Saudi boy. I didn't even think of that, but that's hilarious. And so, So he starts out by saying this. These events didn't come out of thin air or from rumors. They're based on facts. This misguided group collaborated with the enemy and committed shameful acts, murder, theft, looting. These people have existed since the first truce. They've been doing this for a long time. During that period, they killed many people, robbed and terrorized others. No one could tolerate what they did. Now, after the situation has stabilized and the ceasefire has taken hold, the security forces are working to restore safety. instability among the people. This deviant group, which practiced all forms of violence and looting, had to be held accountable. The families of those involved renounced them under tribal law and asked them to surrender to the authorities. Those who turned themselves in were punished according to their

crimes. Those who resisted arrest, the police had to use force against them leading to deaths and injuries. These people are rejected by everyone, by the public and by the tribes. The host says, but should it be handled this way? Less than 24 hours after the ceasefire in Gaza, they've executed publicly without any legal process or accountability? And he says, my sister, please understand, there are no functioning courts, no police, no judiciary right now. What exists is field justice? Tell me, when a 10-year-old boy goes out to bring home a little flower for his siblings because his father was martyred and someone attacks him, steals the flower, and kills him in the street, who will hold those killers accountable? These people have to be.

rooted out. They're a corrupt element that doesn't belong to our society. And the host says, she's still looking for something. She's like, give me something here. But surely you've also heard of excesses by Hamas members themselves. Al-Mugni says, if there are violations by Hamas members, there are authorities who can stop and punish them. But who holds Hamas accountable, she asks. Anyone can report misconduct to the higher authorities. They will investigate and punish. Hamas has leadership and internal accountability. Yesterday, for instance, a journalist was stopped at a checkpoint and shot in the leg. Those who did that will be held accountable as well.

And then she says, were the tribal leaders informed or consulted before Hamas carried out these executions? Almugni says, we stand with them completely, heart and soul. We support and back every measure they've taken. If you knew the extent of the corruption these people spread, you wouldn't believe it.

Then she says, but how did Hamas determine so quickly who was guilty of collaboration or treason? And he says, because these were the very people stealing and looting the aid trucks, robbing everything that was meant for the people. For six months, not a single aid package reached ordinary citizens because of them. They stole and resold the food. They are killers, criminals, thieves, and they had to be punished for what they did to their own people. And then last one, because you can get the point. She says, still, there are fears this could

damage social cohesion after two years of war and bombardment. Al-Mugni says, no. Those carrying out these acts of violence are Israel's agents, people created and supported by Israel. The Moss police gave them chances, one, two, three, to surrender. Those who refused and kept spreading chaos had to be punished. The people themselves demanded it. It goes on from there, where they're continuing to press him, like, come on, this, like, this looks terrible. This can't be how we're going to do this. And him saying, no, it had to be done.

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Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The reason why I think this is what we were talking in our preparatory call, and it reminded me of some stories from Afghanistan in the 1990s. And actually later on after the U.S. occupation, where, In the 90s, now I'm not going to say entirely, but one of the ways that the Taliban was able to win over the civilian population is it's not a secret that widespread rape,

and in particular the rape of small boys. Bhajabazi is a practice in Afghanistan that goes back centuries, and it was being practiced in particular at that time of the warlords. Well, the Taliban, because it believed in a strict, you know, interpretation of Sharia law, equally applied that across the board and executed many of the people who are participating in the practice. And some of the villagers who were like, well, you know, I don't love my wife being shrouded in a burqa or my daughter not being able to school, but my sons are not at victim of being ritually raped, right? And so they were able, actually, to gain quite a bit of popularity

through that. Basically, the exertion of law and order, not just on the Batchabazi practice, even the solicitation rape of women was something that unfortunately, you know, long with tribals, you know, culture and all that, and no central body of law and order, one of the ways, again, that they were able to exert some of their control was by this type of, you know, coming in and exerting, like, absolute punishment on criminality from rape to stealing to many of these other types of crimes. And so you could exactly see here, first of all, how Hamas was able to remain in power for some, what, 17 years, right, in Gaza in the first place. Actually, no, it was more than that. So 2005, 2006, yeah, almost 19, 20 years that was able to remain in power. But also the central problem of how is somebody going to govern this place? Right. Right. Because right now, Israel has to withdraw to some sort of line of control. Nobody really, you know, what, 10% or something like that. And it's not exactly clear at this time. Eventually somebody's going to have to do that. So if you want them to disarm, then there has to be something in its place. This is exactly what happened in the occupation of Iraq.

This exact same story, right? We came in, we overthrew Saddam. We pursued stupidly this policy of, quote, debatification. Dumbest thing ever. The dumbest, worst, genuinely, the only big mistake that's secondary to the invasion in the first place. Took away the weapons, confiscated them, created a power vacuum, which shakes and tribal warlords and all these other people were able to move in. And it created a complete sectarian breakdown. and a literal civil war that killed hundreds of U.S. troops, not to mention who even knows

millions of probably of Iraqis either killed or wounded in the interim. This is the exact scenario we're staring down, because if we want Hamas to give up all their weapons, which, yeah, okay, but then somebody's got to have some weapon, somebody's got to have some level of control. Who's it going to be? The UAE, the United States, Saudi, does the UAE really want to put itself in the place of, you know, prosecuting victims of crime? I mean, the United Arab Emirates is not a big nation. It's really not ever. Even Saudi Arabia, these are not professional militaries with counterinsurgency experience. So this is the nightmare that awaits whatever occupying force that will eventually come into Gaza. And that's the big

question. That's why we highlighted this, because this is the story now. Who's going to control this stuff? Trump actually seems to be okay with it. He's like, yeah, I was okay with it, to be honest with you. It's like, well, if you are, then you all also kind of tacitly are acknowledging. or recognizing some sort of level of Hamas, political and like political control of Gaza, you have to be able to fill that vacuum. If you don't, which he also says at the same time they'll disarm, it can collapse into chaos immediately. Right. And it shows that it has to be a political solution because if Israel, with its endlessly supplied army,

in two years, can't debilitate this armed force, the Emirates are going to do it? like the Indonesians, like, who are you going to, and Trump's claim that we're going to go in there and violently disarm Hamas, we are? Who do you mean we, buddy? Like us, like the American troops are going to go into Gaza and try to disarm those guys when Israel had two years and couldn't do it. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. So what you could see is what Hamas is floating here, like, okay, look, rockets, like heavy

weapons that can be used for offensive projection. we will get rid of those we need a police force rename it I mean it's already it's they're not Hamas it's a police force Hamas is the overall government okay this is the police force and then they have also said

if there's a technocratic Palestinian run government that government is the one that is armed like they they said we recognize the kind of sovereign monopoly on violence that a

government has you give us a government government, we're done. We're a national liberation movement. The nation's liberated. We're finished. Here's the, here's the weapons. Those guys, some of them, 15, 16 years old at this point, because of the two years of slaughter, you know, they're going to, first of all, put them in high school in college. But then people can, you know, move over into the actual army. So, yeah, there's a path forward for this, whether or not, and it seems like Trump sees it, but whether or not like yeah how will that come about that's exactly the question and so on the way out i don't know you guys talk about this yesterday but uh just incredible story over the weekend

from unis to rawi and yaniv kogan it drops that you can put up a 8 8 and idf actually claims to be looking into this and because they claim they're looking into it it's picking up some other coverage around the world i said all the bbc covered it times of israel covered it um israel soldiers basically burned everything that they could on their way out of Gaza City, including the biggest sewage treatment plant in Gaza, which was built with basically German funding. We've been in touch with the German company and the German investment groups. This is serious amounts of money that European countries put into this sewage treatment plant. The Canada well down in southern Gaza was burned about a year ago, which we reported.

it on too. Obviously, it's called the Canada well because Canada paid for it. So Israel's going in here and burning all of this infrastructure that European and other foreign governments, you know, invested in and paid for. And the result is that unless something dramatic happens, raw sewage is just going to have to be pumped into the Mediterranean. The Mediterranean runs, its current runs in a counterclockwise fashion. So picture the Mediterranean. You know, where Gaza is, you know, where the rest of Israel is. So for no military purpose whatsoever, only to act out some bizarre sadist impulses, they effectuated a situation where raw sewage is going to be pumped into the Mediterranean

at a large scale and then float up onto Israeli beaches. Like, what are you guys doing? Sick. Sick indeed. Real quickly, before we move on, I did want to. talk about our second correspondent, who was on the most recent flotel. So there was the Global Samud Flotilla, and then there was a flotilla right behind it. The main ship was the conscience.

And we had a correspondent on there, Noah Avishag Schnall, who was just released a couple days ago from Israeli detention and was treated utterly horrifically. to just roll a little bit that this is her, just show you a clip of her final dispatch for drop site from the conscience and then show you what she looked like after she got out of Israeli detention. Hi, I'm Noavishog Schnal giving another update from the ship the conscience, part of the Freedom Floatel of Coalition for DropSight News. The brutality began immediately. We were taken through multiple levels of administration and the first of many strict searches. At least one woman has reported being physically penetrated by guards who lack

at her pain. Many flotilla members reported watching their valuables being looted by guards during bag searches. All of us had our hands violently shoved towards the ground and arms held in stress positions behind us, many with zip ties, and were led through processing and sorted into groups of men and women, then blindfolded. Several of the 150 total flotilla members, including me were targeted for extreme brutality throughout imprisonment. I was kicked out during the American's turn with the judge for translating the events into English. Any flotilla member who upset the Israeli guards was subjected to twisted and tightened handcuffs and some received beatings. I was hung from the metal shackles on my wrists and ankles and beaten in the stomach,

back, face, ear, and skull by a group of men and women guards, one of whom sat on my neck and face blocking my airways. During the evening, the men were tormented by guards with attack dogs and guns. The women were threatened with pepper spray. Our cell was awoken with threats of rape. Wow. Yeah, so if, because I think it's just impossible to believe, those two videos that we just showed you are eight days apart. So you can just scroll this video back. You could see how she looks, you know. And then the eight days ago, that's after being on a ship, you know, for a significant amount of time. It's not fun. That kind of beats you up.

So it's, you know, hopefully she'll be back pretty soon. We've only been able to be in touch with her a little bit through email. She sent that video. She sent that video in. She's actually born in L.A., so, you know, she's American as well. She's Jewish of Yemeni descent. I wonder if, like, the fact that she's Jewish, like, angered them more, because her treatment was worse than a lot of the other activists got.

And she was on this non-activist boat. They were like, we don't want any activists. So the one she was on, it was just journalists and medics. Wow. That's it. She's a photojournalist, a great photojournalist. Look her stuff up. And so I don't know if it's that.

The fact that she has of Yemeni descent, like they felt like they could. I just think it was a betrayal. You know, they feel betrayed, and so they wanted to treat her badly. And they know that the U.S. consulate and the U.S. Embassy won't do anything about it. And she was in the, she was in, this was all happening while the ceasefire is getting agreed to. And I think there was probably some taking the anger out, the fact that they're being forced to do the ceasefire on the people that they had in their detention. Really sick. Sick.

Well, thank you for the update, Ryan, and in particular for explaining some of the post-war Gaza stuff. It is very useful. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven. Two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild.

Not twice. Stunned. But three times. John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive, and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble. And our couple retreat from reality.

They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All I know. is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling.

I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn, or any of that other stuff

that y'all said it. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season at free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old.

And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. And he got down, and I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing

where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Argentina, which, oh, man, there's just so much to say here. Javier Millay got a king's welcome yesterday at the White House. He appeared in a joint meeting with the president in the cabinet room where he was treated

to all of the pomp and circumstance. A reporter comes in and asks Trump, what's the benefit? in the United States bailing out Argentina. Here's what Trump had to say. What's the benefit for United States in helping this way Argentina? Just helping a great philosophy take over a great country. Argentina is one of the most beautiful countries that I've ever seen. And we want to see it succeed.

Very simple. I mean, we don't have to do it. It's not going to make a big difference for our country, but it will in terms of South America. If Argentina does well, you're going to have others following it. Okay. So it's a great philosophy over the country. Ryan, if it's a great philosophy and that philosophy is about making money and in particular, it's about saving the economy, then why do we need to bail out said philosophy for $20 billion? Can anybody riddle me that? Oh, well, what's up with that? I think socialism in Argentina with an endless financial backstop from the United States

would also probably be pretty great for... Well, that's called the Israeli model. These really model is you can provide free health care and you can literally pay a significant portion of your population to not work and to study the Torah as long as the United States government provides you an endless blank check to allow you to do whatever you want. Argentina has figured out the Israeli model where you can claim rigid and individual capitalism and the savior of your economy as long as you always have the fallback of a bailout from the United States. of America. Argentina is going to have to go occupy Venezuela. Oh, yeah. Like, that's part of the deal. Well, Argentinian occupation. They're going to be our aircraft carrier in South America.

Argentinian occupation, of course, in no way fits with their history, isn't there right? I just pissed off a whole lot of people down in South America, didn't I? In particular, though, what I liked here was Trump also making it explicit that if Malay loses the election. So this is an existential question now for the Argentinian people. If he loses, he will stop bailing out. Argentina. Let's take a lesson. If the president doesn't win, I know the person that he'd be running against, I believe, probably. We probably have the person. A person is extremely far left and a philosophy that got Argentina into this problem in the first place. So we would not be generous with Argentina if that happened. If he loses, we are not going to be generous with

Argentina. So if he loses, we will not be as generous. Now, this entire thing, I know we've covered it in the past, but it is just still so crazy. And I actually don't think that the White House press corps is pressing Trump enough on this is in what world, in the middle of a government shutdown where you're slashing different program, fine, some of the programs, fine. I have no issue with it, would like it to go through Congress and all that, you know, the process, but fine, we could talk about that. But in what world are you going to do that and also live in this environment where the health care premiums are about to go? up. It's complicated, as we discussed yesterday. But how can you say that while also bailing out

Argentina for $20 billion? It just, it doesn't fit at all, except if it's about, you know, being Trump's friend, let's put this up here on the screen. Malay vowed to fix Argentina's economy, then came a new crisis. Quote, President Javier Malay slashed inflation and spending, but it wasn't enough to stave off in economic prices. President Trump has offered him a lifeline. Quote, Malay has surfed a major wave of optimism and that, you know, out of control inflation slash the bloated budget, quote, even his painful fixes made life harder for people. His popularity was built on the hopes that he may finally succeed where his predecessors had stumbled, which is pulling Argentina out of crisis. But he now finds himself in an economic meltdown so severe that investors panic sell the peso, ditched Argentine assets, fueled panic over a default on the nation's enormous international loans. prompting Trump to throw his ally a $20 billion bailout. The U.S. Treasury said it was, quote, ready to do what is needed to stop markets from derailing Mr. Malay's agenda. Secretary Scott Bessent says that President Malay is restoring economic stability after decades of Argentine mismanagement.

So in order to help Javier Malay, economic philosophy, we have to bail out Javier Malay. It doesn't, it doesn't square. Right. Well, let me help square it. It's not about bailing out Argentina. Oh, okay, all right. It's about bailing out Scott Besson's friends. You guys ready to just have your, just be like, are you effing kidding me?

So as you may have heard, Scott Besson used to work for George Soros. Yes. You might be like, well, that doesn't sound possible because I've been told he's the devil. He's responsible for everything wrong that goes on in this world. How is it possible that George Soros's deputy, his treasury secretary, under Donald Trump, sorry that that's so confusing to you. It's a fact. Besson's colleague at that time was Rob Citrone at this hedge fund. Rob Citrone, Besson, and Soros all went in together on some massive trades together. Citroen. We talked about it last week on this recent podcast. He talked about

how he made like a billion dollars for Soros and Besson on this yen trade that they pulled off. It's very famous. One of those famous trades in history. Yeah. And so that's, so this guy helped make Bessent, fantastically rich on this yen trade that he did within Soros, George Soros, yes, the George Soros, Bessent went long on Millet. He was like, oh, not Besson, sorry. Well, Besson, too, but yeah, Cetrone. Cetron is still a hedge fund guy, Besson, now ex hedge fungi, but probably not X. He bets heavily that Argentina is going to surge because of media. lays genius. That chainsaw is going to yield

profits for Citron. Turns out that wasn't happening, so now Citrone is staring down massive losses. Luckily, for Citrone, the guy he helped get rich under Soros is now the Treasury Secretary.

And so Besson is coming in giving a whole bunch of money to Argentina to bailout his friend. The fact that Argentina gets a bailout, they're just they're collateral what would you call it not collateral damage they're collateral victors the collateral damage are the american farmers because milay immediately uses this lifeline that that the u.s gives him to cut all their export taxes on soybeans china comes in buys up all of our a ton of argentina's soybeans instead of buying

american soybeans americans can't sell their soybeans because uh donald trump is in a trade war with our biggest soybean buyer China. So, yeah, that's actually how it squares. Because if you're like, wow, I didn't know Trump was so passionate about the virtues of libertarianism in Argentina. It's like, no, he's not. This is about enriching his cabal of buddies. Right. And the thing is to underscore what you said is that in September 2025, Argentina suspended export taxes on all goods, including soy, corn,

with meat and poultry. That's through October to set an export volume that it is reached. China then books a massive portion of Argentinian soy at the exact same time that China refuses to buy any soy from the United States. So you have the soybean farmers in America who are getting screwed over by the tariffs in particular because China is retaliating saying we're not going to buy any soybeans. But at the same time, Argentina says, oh, we'll sell you this soybean. Hey, listen, we need money.

All right. We need money right now. And then the United States gives a $20 billion to the country, which is at the same time selling the $20 billion or the billions of dollars of soybeans to China. So not only is it a shit deal. We also are not getting anything out of it. At the very least, it's like, hey, man, you're going to have to buy some soybeans or something. You've got to stop selling soybeans. Something's got to swear here. Like, we've got to get something out of this deal. So even, so in the most strategic area, which has had its highest pain point. for the U.S. soybean farmer, we are doubly screwing them. And that was actually the point of a soybean farmer who recently went viral. We played him here on the show. He's like, so I'm getting zero. And Argentina gets a $20 billion bailout. And the best part, Ryan, if you can remind the audience, is Scott Besson is aware of all of this.

We know from his text messages because you showed everybody his text messages. Yeah. Brooke Rollins, who's the Agriculture Secretary, texted, it looks like Scott Besson and J.G. who I'd love to think is Jeffrey Goldberg, but it's probably Jameson Greer, the U.S. Trade Representative, and says, hey, Scott, really unfortunate.

Really unfortunate here. Just, FYI, China just bought enormous amounts of soybeans after you announced his bailout for Argentina because Argentina was able to cut their export tariffs because we're subsidizing both Argentina and China so that she didn't mention so that your hedge fund buddy can get bailed out of his stupid, trade. And also, like, we talk about this financial system, these geniuses, as if it's some

meritocracy. They saw this chainsaw-wielding maniac, and we're like, that's where we're putting our money. That's a moron that should lose his money, not get bailed out by his friend. He got the economics wrong, but he got the politics right. And in this era, it's more important to have the politics right than it is to actually be right. Yeah. And I think what is so, What's so crazy about it is the China angle, the fact that we're just giving a blank check to a guy because Trump likes him for basically no reason other than vibes, right? Like, he came to the White House and just did his, like, high-energy show. It's like, dude, you failed. Like, at the end of it.

And listen, it's company, you know, the defenders are like, well, decades of, yeah, they're right, okay? I mean, yeah, Argentina's been a mess for, what, since the 70s? Like, it's just never had stable governance or stable economy. It's like the proof case for why Bitcoin and other, like, other cryptocurrencies need to exist because of the mess that they have down there. So I'm not saying it's all entirely his fault. But the point remains that the philosophy was built entirely on slashing and on sovereignty.

And what you ended up needing is a complete bailout from the United States at the same time when you're not even really giving us anything. So it's probably one of the most direct violations of any like America First agenda that possibly could be there. And explicitly saying you're doing it to boost his party in the October 26th midterms. Right. and that if they don't evlect the right coalition, you're going to take the money back. Like, all right. Yeah. It's like, again, we're in this moment, like, what is the point of investigative journalists if they just say all this stuff out?

Yeah, they say it out loud. They're just making us obsolete. Well, my suspicion is that Argentina has long been a hotbed for crypto and a lot of venture capitalist guys really loved Javier. Oh, for sure. And so I personally think that there's some sketchy stuff going on. Yes. With Millet, because, I mean, you know, he was courted by, I mean, Elon, right? The entire kind of tech-right ecosystem suckered up to Javier Mill.

I think they saw big bucks to be made down there with the leverage debt and with everything. So my personal suspicion is that those people are also making a buck out of this somewhere. Or had an investment, which would have gone to zero based on some sort of leverage bet with the Argentinian peso. That if it did go to zero, it would score. screw over their file. I cannot prove that. I'm just saying that's my personal suspicion. Yeah, I think this, I think this crew sees in Central America and Argentina areas where capital slash crypto can actually completely triumph over the state and just have sovereignty. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to do in Honduras. I'll tell you. I'm a Bitcoin

guy. Some of the OG proof cases of Bitcoin is Argentina, is that people had no, because the currency is constantly deflating. Exactly. It's like deflating. It's like deflestone. or inflating or any of that booking of real estate transaction in Argentinian peso is a fool's errand. 30-day close. Exactly. They're like, who knows what the fuck knows what the price is going to be? And so some of the original like real deals on houses or real estate were settled on Bitcoin because they were like, well, at the very least, like, yes, it's fluctuating, but it's subject

to a different market than whatever the hell is going on down here. So, I mean, look, I understand that in particular. Argentina needs the way that their economy is wrong. Argentina needs a constitutional convention. Their system is incapable of... I wish I knew more about it. I need to go down there. I need to go down there.

I do love Argentina. They have like eight factions that all have veto like choke points and nothing can get done. It's a disastrous system. And it's almost no... I need to go investigate for myself.

In particular, I want to go down in December whenever it's summer down there and then also need to go down to Patagonia. Okay, let's go over to the data centers. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one will end up dead. The other tried for murder.

Not once. People went wild. Not twice. Stunned. But three times. John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive, and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble, and our couple retreat from reality.

They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to hell in heaven on the I-heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator

on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn, or any of that other stuff that y'all said it. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County. Listen to Graves County.

in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again.

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said this isn't a joke. And he got down and I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my problems through hypnotism.

We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eyes. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Turning out of data centers, there is some grassroots political energy against the rising deed. It's centers across the entire nation, which is sucking up electricity and driving up power bills. Let's put this up here on the screen.

This is from Dave Weigle over at Semaphore. he writes, quote, as electricity bills rise, candidates in both parties blame data centers. And he in particular he highlights a few local incidents, which kind of show you where the major grassroots energy is. And this is entirely bipartisan. So for example, this was a Friday night dueling candidates for a board of supervisors seat in a suburban county in Gainesville, Virginia. And this was in the middle of the debate. A candidate, Patrick Harders, who is the Republican, says, I think we should personally block all future data centers. his Democratic opponent then agrees.

The, quote, the crushing and overwhelming weight of data centers is a crisis, with massive companies, quote, having us as residents pay for their energy. As electricity bills rise, a growing number of U.S. candidates in both parties are pointing to high energy costs of data centers, booming thanks to tech companies' AI investments. And here in Virginia, or where we live in Virginia, which is where we have off elections in 2025, it's actually becoming a live issue. And they point specifically to how the more establishment-like candidates, like the current governor, Glenn Yonkin, has called data centers, quote, in immense opportunities for localities across the Commonwealth and actually vetoed a bill. It was a May veto of a regulatory bill, which would have tried to look at data center energy demand. But now there is actually a fight in the gubernatorial election where the Republican candidate, who is the GOP nominee, is sticking. with him on the issue. But Abigail Spanberger, the more establishment CIA, literally.

Literally CIA. Not a, it's not a joke, actual CIA, which, you know, I guess is a good representative for Northern Virginia. And what they say, what she said is on the issue, is she's kind of wishy-washy and tried to make it more about building power, but she's actually facing some grassroots from the Democratic Party. So one senator, local state senator, said, quote, My advice to Abigail has been look at where the citizens of Virginia are on data centers. And she specifically says there are a lot of people willing to be single issue split-ticket voters based on this. The Republican candidate sidestep the issue. But this just demonstrates how the data center issue, I've seen the city of Tucson, just rose up against one.

There's this in the state of Virginia. They point actually to Fas Shakir, the former campaign manager for Bernie Sanders, who has been funding or helping efforts across the nation. to rise up against data centers. This, in my opinion, is the sleeper populist issue across the entire nation. Whoever wants to grab it by the horns and rip, you're ready to roll. Nobody wants to pay 267% more for electricity bill for AI pornography, which I'll get to here in a little bit. Yes, and the way this works is that the data centers come in, they don't bring their own energy supply with them. That could be the solution to this.

Hey, you want to build a data center? you are a multi-trillion-dollar company, go figure out how to power it. Go build a solar farm somewhere. Go build a gas plan. Well, that should be the requirement. The requirement needs to be. If you're going to build it, you have to pay for it.

And not just in terms of driving up electricity price. You have to prove to the county or to whatever the locality or the state that in exchange for coming here, you will build a power source that will at the very least power. Now, in my opinion, it shouldn't even be that. It should be you need to build power source that also give back to the community, but we can cross that bridge. little bit later. Instead, they want tax breaks. Yes, and they want giveaways. Which is what they're getting. By and large, that's entirely what they're getting. They're not paying anything. And the way

your power bill works in general is that the utility goes to the regulator, because it's the most highly regulated thing in the country. The utility goes to the regulator and says, look, here's the demand that we are facing currently. Here's the demand that we are projecting out over the next 10 years. Here's the supply of power that we're projecting out over the next 10 years. Supply and demand. And here is the price that we need to charge the rate payers in order to make our mandated by law, like 3%, 5%, whatever their profit is by law. So therefore, the two factors that go into what the regulators tell the utilities they can charge you is the amount of supply and the amount of demand. The big beautiful bill took something like 10%,

like roughly maybe 10% is a conservative estimate of future power production over the next like 10 years like offline so 10% less supply coming in and it also supercharged the AI boom and everything else so these data centers like you said 40% eating up 40% in Virginia yes 33% in the state of Oregon that's where I'm like Oregon wake up where are you guys you're a democrat run state theoretically, you shouldn't be wanting, you know, 33% of all power generation to be going to data centers, which is just, which they're probably, I have no proof of this, but I just off the top of my head. Oregon's here, Northern California is here. Why are Northern California companies, which are technology building a data center in Oregon? My guess is something to do

with regulation and or tax break. It has to be, right? Why else will be sucking up 33% of power? Do something about it. You know, you're going to, you're a small state. You can't afford for one third of all your power to go to a single industry. It's nuts. And it takes, if you wanted to build a gas turbine, Trump wants to do fossil fuels. If you want to do a gas turbine, it would take at least seven years to get it online if you started right now. Nuclear power plant, 10, 15, I mean, the most hopeful case. Solar, you can get up in like two years, you know, wind, like two years. And just getting it in the pipeline actually changes those two kind of graph lines because now your projected supply is higher in the future. So the amount that they can ask the regulators to be

able to charge you is less. So even if the power is not online yet, your price still goes down, assuming that it's going to come. So that's why Trump taking all of this clean energy offline is driving up prices like right now, especially as the supply crunch is hitting. Yeah, it's all for a little bit of AI porn. Yes, so let's get to that now. And I haven't been more worried about this than anything in a long... I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming, but I didn't expect it to be announced like this.

Let's put it up here on the screen. Long-winded, proud announcement from Sam Allman. I'll read it in full. We made Chat, GPT, pretty restrictive to make sure we were being careful with mental health issues. We realized this made it less useful and enjoyable to many years. users who had no mental health problems, but given the seriousness of the issue we wanted to get this right. Now that we have been able to mitigate the serious mental health issues and have new tools, we are going to be able to safely relax the restrictions in most cases. In a few weeks,

we plan to roll out a new version of chat GPT, which will allow people to have a personality that behaves more like what people liked about one of the original models. If you want your chat GPT to respond in a very human-like way, or use a ton of emoji or act like a friend, chat GPT should do it. But only if you want it, not because we are, quote, usage maxing. In December, as we roll out age gating more fully as part of our, quote, treat adult users like adults principle, we will allow even more like erotica for verified adults. Okay, let me sit with this because he says, we have to be careful with mental health issues. Now that we have put into place some restrictions

we are going to allow and say chat GPT to act more like a friend and particularly like your girlfriend and that's why it won't do anything for mental health issues right Ryan famously people who want chat GPT

to talk to them like their girlfriend and produce personalized pornography have nothing going on in terms of and that definitely won't do anything about their mental state And then second, just the casual nature of personalized erotica for verified adults. Combine that with SORA, okay?

AI porn, it's here. We all knew it was coming. But this is what we're all paying this extra money for to this data center to crunch all of the GPU power source so that literal, like, so that teenagers and others can be sitting around producing personalized AI porn. Also, if you wanted to say, like, if you wanted to design something that was going to destroy America, you would start with something which is a quasi-useful technology, and you would get everybody on it. Better Google search. Or a better Google search, and you would get everybody on it, and you'd say, hey, this isn't that, but you can't do certain things, right?

And then what you would do is you would make sure that every teenager and young person is using that technology. And once they're using the technology, you say, hey, by the way, you know, you can also use it for pornography purposes. And so now all of a sudden you have a vast surveillance machine, which you use for your finances, for your Google search, and to produce your highly personalized, disgusting sexual fetishes. And it creates the greatest blackmail machine known to mankind. That's number one. Number two is what would you, what would you design to draft? and to destroy the American male, more so than something like chat GPT, which is to decrease social interaction, to increase time on platform,

then personalize AI pornography, and at the same time, roll up billions and billions of dollars in profit and use that profit to make sure that you lobby against any, any social force that tries to restrict this type of technology in the hands of children of teenagers and of young people and to make sure that the time on platform is maximized to win. This is what it looks like. So, you know, we had a theory we talked about with Crystal yesterday. AGI, the theory was is AI would win by producing artificial general intelligence. What if AI wins by just taking over your entire life, all right? They don't have to create AGI if they can poison your mind with pornography and they can poison your mind with, I'm sure you can be able to game in chat

GPT. And by the way, the best part is, you already know where this is going. GPT has already said they're floating the ability to put ads in the feed. So while you're designing your perfect girlfriend who will talk to you and who you will continue to stare at, you'll just get a few ads. An ad read. Here or there. The girlfriend does an ad read. Yeah. And soon there's going to even be an AI robot or some sort of like device or something like that, which you can use to enact more of your AI fantasy out on. I mean, this is out of a movie, but it's not, it's, this is real life. Like, this is actually happening. I, I cannot think of a single, like, and what really gets me, I don't see a single lawmaker doing anything about this. I don't see a

single lawmaker even reacting to this proud announcement. We're doing porn. We're doing porn. It's such a layup, too. Yeah. No, how about no. How about actually, no. It's not actually doing this. It's not happening. It's actually not happening. And I love how they frame it as like treat adults like adults. I'm like, well, how was that worked out with all of these other extractive industries, porn, weed, video games, all these other things. I just, I genuinely, this is the stuff that makes me turn me into like a conspiracy theory. So I'm like, maybe this is part of the plan, man. This is the plan. I can't think of another thing that would be better designed to neuter the entire country and to make you as addicted as humanly possible.

Soon there's going to be gambling in there, you know, it's going to be like a video game, literally. Your entire life is going to be Ready Player 1, and you're going to be living in a fucking trailer. And Sam Altman apparently drives like a multi-million dollar car, and it's going to be rolling around with children's blood being, you know, nonprofit salary. Yeah, nonprofit salary rolling around as a multi-billionaire,

getting transfusions of, you know, blood to live to the age 250. That's what's going to happen. And then on top of that, it destroys critical thinking skills. Of course. There's plenty of studies, plus your own intuition. If you drove around this world before Waze and Google Maps, you had a better sense of direction. You could get around better. And studies are definitive on this question, that once people start using this assisted driving, like, you can go left here, go right here,

your sense of direction diminishes overall. The exact same thing is going to happen to your general ability to think. The more you outsource the work of thinking to these chatbots, the less you're going to be able to think. So on the one hand, we've been wondering, when is this superhuman AI going to become smarter than average people?

Actually, maybe it doesn't have to because we're just going to keep getting stupider and stupider. like we're making it easier for them to win the race because we're going backwards i'm trying to think what the in a show where we should be having like both sides here like what's the case the case for like the same libertarian case well frankly no offense rinds it's the same case you've been making about drugs is let people do uh let people do what they want all right people are adults but that is but that's only the case as a libertarian would say you know you're you're like right to swing your arm ends at my nose.

Yeah. And if this is driving up everybody's energy costs, it's going to create rolling blackouts. Yes. And, yeah, then when I say, well, it's going to destroy everybody's life, that's my thing about drugs. That's my thing about drugs.

Everyone's like, oh, I have a right to do what I want. Really? You have the right to drive high on weed? You have the right to shoot heroin in the street? I'm with you on that. It needs to be heavily regulated. Yeah, but yeah, but it all ends at legalized weed. And then after that, the conversation ends.

Right? And oh, it turns out, oops, Ohio new study shows that 40% of all car crashes involved excessive amounts of THC in the system to cause impairment. Forty percent of fatal car crashes had people with excessive amounts of THC to cause impairment. And you know what the most of the replies I got to that was, is I drive fine high on weed. This is, allow my tangent. A lot of people drive fine. Does anybody defend drunk driving? Even the drunks. Nobody has the balls to say, actually, maybe in the 90s, they used to, but in the age of Uber, and nobody has the balls to say, actually, I'm a good drunk driver. You know, I proudly drive drunk. It's only weed, only weed is the only drug where people are going to go, what's the issue? The only thing

you're going to see is people slowing down at a red light. Well, it didn't work out for the 40% of people who died in a failed car crash, did it? Okay. And so this is the same thing. And I'm glad you made that point. The socialized cost of degenerate behavior is one that, all of us have to deal with. When we allow mass sports betting, we are de facto creating a financial system which screws over all of us through credit markets, through credits, everything, right? Also, the amount of social services needed to deal with the rise of gambling addicts, the amount of domestic violence, the highest suicide rate of literally any addiction that's out there, that's drugs, that's gambling, video games, that's another one we talked a lot about with the

discord or TikTok addiction, critical thinking. I mean, what is the mass social cost of an entire generation that loses the ability to critically think and to hold an attention span for more than 10 minutes. And now you add AI pornography. And I mean, I think it just anyone can imagine, Ryan, you and I have been 13, 14 years old before, probably were social out. I could speak for myself. I don't know about you. But anybody involved in this job probably was at some point of that. What if this AI shit was around then? Talk to me as a friend. I'm having trouble at school. It's, you know, listen, it sucked. But part of it, is it forces you to actually be like, okay, well, I got to figure this out, you know, got to live

my life. But this gives you an exit option. Everyone in middle school struggles. Right. Exactly. Everyone. Everyone. You're developing into your, into your personhood. Of course. And it can take a long time, right? And this is no shot in anybody who is out there. But I'm saying, hey, maybe a little bit of friction that forces you to actually socialize or go do something, figure out who you are. That's probably a good thing. But this is the exit option. And I mean, the internet already kind of was that way, the Gen 1 internet. But this is taking it to a whole new level. And I think that's what's so scary about it. And so that's just the social cost. I don't know. If you're a parent out there, please keep your kids away from this stuff.

Please. That's all we can say. Because the politicians, the regulators, they're doing nothing about it. There is a phone-free movement right now with schools, which I think is amazing. I know Denmark is looking and banning phones in school. But for every Denmark, there's, I don't know, there's so many school administrators and others. And it's just like, oh, yeah, it's just the fact of and parents defend it. I don't know. I mean, read the Jonathan Haidt book and do what you can. I don't know what else to say.

But it's hard to swim against the tide. It's very hard in a world where something like 50% of people, 50% of children, I think it's like under age of 12, have access to an iPad. Like their own iPad. Not good. Yeah, because the libertarian argument I get, it's a thing that's been around, but I don't actually understand how that argument leads. You conclude that actually it'll also be good for us.

Yes, yeah, that's right. I get the, okay, you just love free. them no matter what the costs, I'm trying to think of any possible way that that AI porn, that unleashing AI porn on top of all the gambling that we've got going on, everything else, reducing the amount of power supply that we have at the same time, jacking up everybody's electricity bills, how that leads to a better country. Well, let's double-click even more on the energy risk. So let's put this up here on the screen.

There's a study after study and all this stuff is starting to come out. And actually, credit, some mainstream media people are actually waking up. So, for example, they highlight this more recent case. Google recently courted the township of Franklin, Indiana, where it would construct a giant campus to house computer hardware that powers its business. But the company needed to rezone 450 acres of Indianapolis suburb. residents, quote, were not having it, mainly because they thought the facility would consume huge amounts of water and electricity while delivering few local benefits. A lawyer representing

Google confirmed at a September meeting the company was pulling its data center proposal and cheers erupted from sign-waving residents. This is now a trend which is happening across the country and almost all of it comes back to electricity. Because what they point to exactly, is that the computing power, a typical AI data center uses as much electricity as 100,000 households. The largest data center under development will consume 2 million households worth of electricity. That's according to the International Energy Agency. They quote, also suck up billions of gallons of water for systems to keep all of that computer hardware cool. Hmm. Then you also have McKinsey out with a new study. Can we put C4? Please up there on the

screen. Here is the same thing. There's actually this new McKinsey study, which looks specifically at driving power demand across the country. And they cite the exact same statistics where they look, what they do is they look through the growing amount of power demand forecasted relative to data center. And they find the exact same thing that across the nation, the single, most driving force of power usage will all come from data center construction across the nation. Now, to split the difference here, you have two options. One of the reasons why there is no, one of the reasons why there's no controversy over data centers in China is they have a shit ton of electricity. So that would be great. I would love to live in that country. I'm not really sure.

People are not going to complain if they're. If the power bill is low, no one cares. That'd be, that's the ideally. They don't even block the view. Yeah, whatever. All right. Yeah. Build them in the middle of nowhere. Go for it. Everybody's got no power. As long as you're not stealing anybody's land, we're cool. Here's the issue, as you just described, with the buildback or whatever, the OBBB, not only cutting solar and wind, which, look, I have a lot of problems with solar and wind, but if you're not going to back it up with new oil refineries, new LNG plants, new nuclear power reactors, then the interim state is where we are right now where everybody just has to pay more, okay? And it's still going to take a decade or so.

to get there. So the data center construction is going to go like this, whereas the new power demand is basically flat and eventually goes up a little bit in 10 years. What's going to happen 10 years from now? So then the other is what we have proposed here. It's like, okay, you want to build it? Fine. You have to prove, prove to the county, to the state, and everyone that you are not only going to have enough power that you're going to build to supply yourself because the profits are so great, right? And you're already investing all these billions. Then you're going to have to do that. In my opinion, you also have to be able to supply the rest of the grid to make sure that not only you're powering yourself, you're also helping out the community in providing some set benefits. But instead, what's happening is like

Virginia and the rest of these state localities. They get fooled into, oh, there's going to be some jobs. What jobs? Few jobs? The vast majority of the profit is going to Silicon Valley into Google stock. Maybe you get to clean the data center as a janitor. Right. Okay. Yeah, that's basically where we are. So I'm worried about it. I'm worried about it, Ryan. I think it could be one of the Central, one of the central political issues of our time. And the White House doesn't care. No state and local politician has come out with a forceful demand yet. And I just don't get it. I'm like, why are you people so asleep at the wheel? And I think it also stands in for who governs us? Yes, yes. Do we govern ourselves? Are we a democracy that wants to chart our own course? Or are we just governed by these AI overlords? And they just tell us. us what we have to eat and how much we have to pay to eat it. I think we know the answer to them, at least now currently.

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