Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 10/5/26: Insane AI Video Used In Court, Plague Leaks From Russian Lab, Trump Backs Daylight Saving End

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

Ryan and Saagar discuss judge tricked by AI video of dead victim, plague leaks from Russian lab, Trump backs daylight saving end.   Annie Jacobsen: https://www.anniejacobsen.com/   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.com    Merch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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possible. If you like what we're all about, it just means the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that, let's get to the show. Turning now to our AI future, let's see some of the great things that this technology is unleashing upon us. Let's put it up here on the screen. One of the craziest stories I have ever seen, the Arizona Court of Appeals has now thrown out a 10-year manslaughter sentence and ordered a resentencing of Gabrielle Paul Horsasitas. I apologize to the family, if I mispronounce that. The court found that an AI-generated video showing the victim, Christopher Pelke, addressing the judge was unreliable. The three judge panel said the video went too far. It didn't document real events and it presented invented

statements as if Pelke himself had said them. The judge described it as a depiction built from his sister's imagination of what he would think. In November 2021, Horstitas is now 55, shot and killed Pelke during a road rage confrontation at a stoplight in Chandler, Arizona. Pelke was unarmed and had gotten out of his truck and walked towards his vehicle. He was convicted of manslaughter and endangerment for a shot that hit another car. The AI video was created by his sister. It is believed to be the very first use case in a United States court, and it was played at the May 2025 sentencing after nine family members and friends spoke.

In the video, he talked about missing his loved ones, believing in forgiveness, and suggested that he might have been friends under different. circumstances with the perpetrator. It did not request a particular sentence. The lawyer then argued the judge violated due process by relying on the video. She said the video didn't disclose who wrote its words and had no evidence showing that it reflected his actual views. Also argue that it carried more emotional weight and apparent authenticity than if a relative had actually read the words aloud and her client had no chance to rebut. They said the judge did not err. This is from the prosecution who apparently defended it.

The judge didn't air that the video actually reflected his character and that Lang didn't consider, the judge, consider it in sentencing. They also noted the judge had already heard from many family members and that nothing in the video was inflammatory. So with all of that said, I want to show you some of this video. Let's take a listen. Hello. Just to be clear for everyone seeing this, I am a version of Chris Pelke recreated through AI that uses my picture and my voice profile. I was able to be digitally regenerated to share with you today. So I would like to make my own impact statement.

So hello everybody. Thank you so much for being here today. It means a lot. I can't tell you how humbled I am for those that spoke up for me, everyone who flew in, took off work, those who are watching this remotely, and for everyone who has supported my family and loved ones through three and a half years,

and two trials. I wish I could be with you all today. To your honor, Judge Lang, thank you for making yourself available to see this case to the end, especially when the rescheduled trial conflicted with your daughter's spring break. Thank you for listening to everyone today. Thank you for reading the flood of impact statements that came in before today that so many people wrote on my behalf. every single one of them is meaningful and gives a glimpse into my life with each of them to Gabriel Horkasitas, the man who shot me. It is a shame we encountered each other that day in those circumstances. In another life, we probably could have been friends.

I believe in forgiveness and in God who forgives. I always have. And I still do. I don't know, Ryan. What do you think, man? What are they doing? What is going on? You can't do that.

What is happening? I mean, this is really free me out. I mean, if the prosecution can do that, can the defense? Yeah, I guess. I mean, just use your AI imagery to be like... The defense bring up the guy and be like... So the judge gave a harsher sentence. Right.

Even though in the video there, the fake guy is like, I forgive you. But what if... Then the defense is like makes a video of the guy saying, Your Honor, I really insist that you give my killer no jail time whatsoever. And in fact, reward him for what he did to me. Yeah, I mean, the entire thing is so crazy to me. And apparently the family was even warned. They're like, hey, you know, if you use this video, you could lose on appeal. And they did it anyways.

Look, I get it. You know, they're their grieving. I'm not going to blame them. I think I'm going to blame the state. I'm like, what are you guys doing being trying to? First of all, why would you want to set this precedent? You want to set this precedent? That anybody can just recreate some, you know, some video by AI general.

This guy, I mean, no offense, love my sister. But it's like, hey, come on. You know, you've got videos of me for thousands of hours speaking. Anybody could create literally anything of me saying something. Please don't do so, you know, to anybody who is out there. In the event of my tragic death, violent death, and then use it as sentence. It's so crazy. I think it bong hits.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Especially don't show me doing something that I would never. ever do. And speaking of that, we now also just to show you kind of like where the world is going, this was a new company. It's called Tavis. They introduced Griffin, so we are personally blaming our producer Griffin for having this name. The first model, which they claim has passed the video Turing test. To be clear, the video Turing test claims are from their own study of 54, one-minute phone calls, not independently verified, et cetera, et cetera. However, The video is pretty damn good.

So let's put all this like turning test stuff aside. Just to show you where things are currently trending and how little you'll be able to trust that's out there. Let's take a listen. Now, how about just a thumbs up? Sure, one thumbs up coming right up. Hell yeah. That was awesome.

I would say you're my favorite coworker. It's been really great to work on this with you. You're making me blush. Ah, who's that with the ugly sweater? I drifted this. Yeah, it definitely looks like it. Oh my gosh, okay. 1%.

You're living on the edge, Hassan. Truly. I'll keep my breathing steady so I don't drain your CPU any faster. Wow, you actually did slow down your breathing. It's like the line between talking to a machine and just talking to someone is getting really, really thin. Yeah, it really feels like we're like, you know,

passing a touring test soon. But honestly, if we want people to see the human part of the simulation, maybe that's the most real thing we could show them. What do you think? Is it too much? No, no. I think this is it. Look, maybe it's marketing on their part. I'm sure it is. I'm sure there's a lot of tech people who are like super excited about that. I don't know. For me, I'm like ban it. Just ban it. You know, it's like one of those where what what you, what utility is there in these fake Zoom calls? Can you imagine the spam that's going to be unleashed on people? You're like, hey, you know, oh, let me prove my identity to you by a quick phone

call. It could literally all be completely fake. I mean, I guess we were already kind of there, but this, I just, I see a lot of problems ahead, Ryan. Make them all be anime or cartoons. That's smart. I like that. Because like people are going to want to engage with these, like, video robots. Can you imagine a world where somebody schizophrenic gets to program and AI that they get to speak to another person where it affirms every single thing that they, like, it's already one thing for them. It's happening on the chat. That's happening in a chat, but with video. Right. Yeah. I'm sure that's really going to help a lot of the mental health problems that we currently have in our society. So, yeah, it's going to be awesome. I crush the porn industry.

Yeah. No, trust me, they're going to be fine because they're going to buy this technology tomorrow. And, yeah, the real question is when only fans is going to buy this company, which is the most likely result of our current system. All right. Let's get to Annie Jacobson. Yeah, somebody's going to cry for them. Let's get to Annie Jacobson. She's standing by to just. this crazy lab leak that's happening in Russia. She's standing by. Let's get to it. The Hard Rock Beck Casino app is here, Ontario. With exclusive games like Hard Rock and Reels, Hard Rock Collectum, and Hard Rock Gold Blitz.

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or wherever you're listening now. Very excited now to be joined by Annie Jacobson. She is the author of Biological War Scenario. She previously joined our show, actually, to not only discuss the book, but many of the lurking threats in our society and around the world, specifically present for many of these labs, which are doing research on infectious diseases and others. Unfortunately, one of these scenarios, which you specifically write about in the book, appears to have now be in its beginning stages. Let's put your tweet up here on the screen, E2 guys, so I can read from it. And Annie, I'll allow, I'll, you know, let you please, like to

jump in at any point and to explain what has happened. A BSL3 lab. accident appears to have happened in Siberia, the city of Arkutsk, where there have been multiple now hospitals, which were placed under quarantine, an outbreak of pneumomic plague, which appears to have already killed one researcher. Quarantine is not voluntary. Even in the U.S. quarantine is among the most extraordinary measures that a government can impose on our citizens. I know that you specifically study Russia extensively going into the bookwriting process. Tell us a little little bit about what we know, the dangers, and then some of the Russian government's actions that tell us about how severe this is so far. Well, the whole situation is completely unusual and

bizarre. The only thing that's not bizarre is that Russia is now denying everything after initially having a very strong reaction to this reported pneumonic plague accident at a lab in Siberia, which the FSB was involved transporting citizens in ambulances. to hospitals which are now quarantined. So that is like a heavy hammer initial reaction, followed by complete denial, which I think that narrative makes it very troubling because really, look, the basic bottom line to be worried about is all of this is pneumonic plague in the wild is extremely unusual. Usually it starts as bubonic plague and pneumonic plague becomes the secondary component.

Pneumonic means of the lungs. And so to have something that is called primary pneumonic plague suggests that there could be perhaps biological engineering going on, weapons engineering. Oh, wow. And so the Russian denials don't seem to make a whole lot of sense because they come after the reporting that there was a lab accident, a woman broke a vial, and then died within days. And now they're saying, well, it's unrelated. Okay, that doesn't seem like remotely plausible. But I've also heard people say, well, don't worry, we have antibiotics for some pneumonic plague. What is your sense of whether or not this would be one of those that we do have, let's say it does continue to expand, do have antibiotics for it?

Or is it more likely if it's coming out of this lab that this is one of the engineered ones engineered to be resistant to antibiotics? Okay, so let's start with the basic fact about pneumonic plague. If you don't have antibiotics, it is 100% deadly, meaning you get it, you die. If you're immediately treated with antibiotics, and when I say immediately, I mean required within the first 24 hours, that drops to about a 17% death rate. So yes, it is controllable. Remember, COVID was 1% death rate. So 17% is still extraordinarily high. But yes, antibiotics can kill that, provided its mother nature's strain. So there's just no way of knowing. What is troublesome is the whole sort of like test tube breaking idea. I mean, you would have to have a wet slurry of why pestis. That's the bacteria. It would have

to splash up in your face, go into your nose. And if you're a lab worker and you know that happen, you are going to immediately pull a personal alarm and be under doctor's care immediately. So that apparently didn't happen. This individual was allegedly walking around. The whole thing doesn't really make much sense. The only thing, again, that does make sense is Russia clamping down on all this. And I think they don't probably really care about how they're perceived outside of Russia, but how this is perceived inside Siberia is what is most important. In other words, they have put the immediate cabosh on any local journalists reporting on this. Those who originally wrote about it have gone dark. And also local newspapers are no longer reporting on sort of hospitals being under

quarantine. And even more important, some of them are actually denying that they were under quarantine or that they said they were under quarantine. In some ways, Annie, you know, this, this, the geography is really on Russia's side. I don't think people appreciate how remote or Kutsk is. It is one of the most room, I think it might be the most remote city in the globe. I think it's the coldest, I believe, probably not an accident, that the lab was located there in the first place. We do know, at least at a high level, we can put E4 up here on the screen. I know that this matches much of your own reporting. Currently, Axios is saying that the White House is monitoring the suspected plague outbreak in Russia. And this morning, Secretary Rubio said

that they have all eyes on the situation. I know you put out on your feed that you've been in touch, or at least are aware that our national authorities are taking this very seriously. Can you elaborate maybe a little bit on what that entails? What does that look like from a monitoring perspective? When the book published, I was contacted by a number of current administration officials. I'm talking military intelligence diplomatic. even the director of the BSL4 lab at Fort Dietrich, Dr. Bergman, invited me to come do a Q&A with his staff

at that military, I mean, at that lab, which is pretty extraordinary. But of course, I was talking with staff about specifically pneumonic plague, which is pretty surprising. And so when this happened on Friday morning, I was immediately contacted by the lab director, you know, about the situation. Of course, they can't tell me anything that's classified. But it's really more well, of being a journalist, then being able to convey information to people through social media, which is remarkable. What's important here, I think, is for, you know, I write this in the acknowledgement of my book. The point is not panic as much as it's pressure.

And pressure begins with information. And so the fact that Americans and really the international community at large is paying attention to this, is asking questions, is learning things like, wait a minute, what is pneumonic plague. Can we treat it with antibiotics? These kinds of things are actually a positive thing to come out of this really grim situation, certainly for the people in Siberia right now. Yeah. What do you make of the languages coming out of Russia where it's a pneumonia of unknown ideology? What was, yeah, I'm back that for it. I'm sorry to laugh, but that's just like a straight up line in my book because that's the Chinese Wuhan playbook. Like they said, this is a pneumonia of unknown

ideology. It's just like saying back off and don't ask us anything else. And so I actually use that line by Russian officials in the scenario I write about pneumonic plague. Now, in the scenario I write, the pneumonic plague has been genetically modified for greater transmissibility, greater virulence, and to defeat medical countermeasures, i.e. antibiotics. And so there's a real problem. And I take the reader from outbreak to anarchy in six days. We're at like, what, day four here, so we haven't seen anarchy in Siberia as of yet. But I think, you know, what's interesting here is that a lot of nomenclature gets thrown at the public, like etiology, so that people's heads start spinning and they don't really know what to make of this very dangerous and unnerving situation.

One of the things that you write extensively about, warned about on our show, was the breakdown to international communication. And in fact, you know, one of the legacies, positive legacies that could have come out of COVID was, okay, let's all just cut the BS. It leaked from the Wuhan lab, the WHO, the CDC. We all whiffed it, and it was handled terribly. We have a huge breakdown in public health communication. We need to come together. Probably the opposite has happened, both nationally and internationally. So let's say that this does progress. or become a bigger problem. What mechanisms are actually in place right now to be able to stop the spread of something like this? What can we all look for? And how confident are you in those

institutions, Annie? I mean, that's a like multi-headed question, all of which are important. But let's start with communicating. You know, WHO has not said anything as far as I know. Pneumonic Plague is a reportable situation. And so my guess is that Russia hasn't properly reported it to WHO. They're trying to maintain decent relationships. Russia closed its Moscow office, so they're working out of an office in Europe. I mean, you know, that's problem number one. We haven't heard anything from CDC as far as I know yet, and that has to do with what I just said about WHO. They try to be in sync. Communication is so important. People knew about this on Friday, thanks to social media, incredibly important.

You know, the second part of your question was about, sorry, tell me that again. Oh, I said about communication, and then what's your confidence level in our institutions to be able to respond to something like this? I'm going to quote a terrifying line that the Pentagon gave me

when I was reporting the book, and they said, in the event of a major biological incident, there is very little you can do to defend against it, only mitigate extermination. So everybody knows that once something arrives, most specifically if it's genetically modified, pneumonic plague in the wild has a pretty low transmissibility rate. It's about 1.5, meaning you have to be like sort of spitting or coughing on someone, and you would have to be very sick to be doing that. So that is why these epidemics are generally sort of like burn out before they take over.

There was one in 2017 in Madagascar. And that's because people travel in really crowded taxis and it caused sort of super spreader, mini super spreader events. So again, genetic modifications to a pathogen like pneumonic plague, that is scenario nightmare. natural pneumonic plague turning into an epidemic is much less realistic. We just don't know. We have to wait and see what will happen with the secondary case infections. But what it is looking like now is we in the West are going to get no news out of Siberia. And so I just checked for flights from Irkuts to, say, Beijing or Shanghai, and you could still get a You can still go on and get a flight.

You know, you can, so the airport, even though it's isolated, this is not the middle of the 20th century anymore. You can get in and out of the area. So my question is, what is the hope that this is contained? Like, yes. That, okay, there was an outbreak. There's this patient zero died. But they quarantined everything and it's back in the lab. Like, how likely is that compared to we start hearing about cases in China or elsewhere?

Again, this goes back to genetic modification. And the genetic modifications are real. They've been tracked by the CIA and the State Department. They have a legacy in the Soviet, the illegal Soviet biological weapons program, which the State Department believes was absorbed into the current program. And those modifications do things like make transatlanticians. transmissibility easier by doing things. I write this in the scenario, like inserting a gene for euphoria onto the front end of the pathogen. So imagine if you're on a plane from, with a sitting

next to someone who has this and it's been genetically modified, they don't feel sick and they may be breathing on you. Mother Nature's pneumonic plague, if you have it, if it's in your lungs, you're going to be at home in bed. If you are on a plane, you are going to be. You are going to so obviously sick and transmissible. I think in the modern world, no one's going to want to sit next to you. I mean, that's a hypothetical, but it just gives you an idea of the radical difference that we're talking about between naturally occurring plague and genetically modified plague. That's my last question, actually, for you, Annie, is about, like you said, these genetically modified diseases. So Russia is a signatory to the biological weapons convention

obviously if you read your book, you know that doesn't mean much for anybody who is the signatory, apparently, to these things. So based on your reporting knowledge, this is a hyper-remote lab, literally in the middle of nowhere. Like, I cannot express how remote or Kuzk is as a city, but based upon your knowledge, you're reporting and others, is this the type of lab that where if you had some sort of weapons program or even, I mean, it doesn't even have to be a weapons program. It could be like COVID. It could be some sort of gain of function, risky style research. Is this the type of place where it would be taking place?

Oh, most certainly. I mean, this lab was used in the Soviet era for biological weapons engineering work. 100%. We know that from Soviet defector scientists. If you look at this lab, it has a six foot high fence with bobbed wire at the top. There's controlled access to get in. So, you know, what is going on there is obviously. risky research. Well, everybody go by the book at the very least so we can be prepared. And I was telling

you before the show, you know, they don't give you nearly enough credit, but you called AI use for biological weapons. It's now being parroted by so many different tech luminaries and then this specific scenario as well. Always very prescient and ahead of the curve, just like with your previous books. So one of my favorite authors, it's such a privilege to talk to you. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Canadian women are looking for more. More out of themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast.

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It was like, I don't care what I'm being asked to do at Fox. I'm going to go get some reps, and I'm going to learn it and love it and embrace it. He said, this group of people will never be in the same room as part of the same team ever again in your life. And it is your job to make sure that you enjoy the moment. You're proud of what you accomplish together. Listen to whatever it takes with Carly Lloyd and Jenny Tech.

on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to do a hard pivot out of that one. It's pretty scary stuff. We're going to try and end on a light subject. Literally a light subject. Let's put F1 up here on the screen. Absolutely out of nowhere, Donald Trump. While his advisors are meeting at Camp David to decide whether to bomb Yemen or bomb Iran again,

here is what he says. Everybody in Arkansas, Tom, cotton, a friend of mine, is holding up a very important bill. It's called the Sunshine Protection Act or the we don't want to change our clocks twice a year act. For some reason, Tom is stopping the bill. In the Senate, it's very easy to do. It only takes one. It should pass overwhelmingly in a bipartisan fashion. So everyone in Arkansas, a state I love and I won three times, the last by 34 points, tell Tom to get it done. It will be appreciated by all. Nobody wants to spend their precious time running all over the place, turning clock clocks back twice a year, and having sunshine

in the afternoon is better than early in the morning. The PGA tour, as an example, will somebody think of the pro golfers out here? Needs more daylight in the afternoon in order to finish their tournaments. Oh, wow, I never thought about it like that. Likewise, regular golfers, tennis players, hunters, and perhaps more importantly farmers who want more daylight to play our work, bullshit. C letter from Brian Ropeup, CEO of the PGA Tour below. 65% plus want more sun in the afternoon. Daylight savings time the way it is now, but 100% don't want to change their clocks twice a year.

They want, as they say, to lock the clock. Almost everybody wants the Sunshine Protection Act. He continues this long screen. And at the very end, he says, so call Tom on his cell phone, gives out his personal cell phone number, and let him know. The Sunshine Protection Act,

we have passed in the House by a vote of 3.0. to 117, have the Senate vote. So like I said in our intro, I genuinely feel, like, between Trump, you know, Iran war, weed, porn, gambling, daylight savings. It's like, it's like a personal attack by God upon my existence. It truly is. And, and by the way, this actually exposes the entire game because I've been fighting this fight for for over a decade now.

And again, just to explain it, in case you're confused, daylight saving is the time that we're in now. We will shift to standard time. Standard time for the act. It's going to fall back. It means we fall back means there's more light in the morning, and there is less light in the evening, which every sleep scientist in the world agrees is better for you,

in case you're wondering. All these people who want to go and talk about experts, the American Sleep Scientist Association. I have to find the exact citation. It's on my Twitter feed if anybody wants to go. and look for it. It has extensively researched the subject and has said standard time year-round

will be better if you know anybody in Arizona. They have standard time year-round. It's awesome. If you ever been to Arizona, the sun goes up at 4.30 in the morning. It's sweet. You wake up at 5.30s, full brightness. You see the canyons, camel back, all of that.

And what has happened is that these Floridians, golfers, sports leagues, and others, they want more people to come and stay in Florida hotels in the winter. So they want, like he even admits, the golfers and more time to play golf. And more trying to play golf? Well, somebody think of the rich country club people so they can play more golf and tennis? They're retired. Why can we just get up earlier? Yeah, fuck you. Exactly. Get up earlier. All right. So we need to get Tom Cotton's. Yeah. Well, we'll put it on this. No, no, hold on. Okay. Let's call. Oh, you're going to call it? He's calling it. All right. Let's see.

Put on speaker. Sorry. The mailbox is full. This was not planned, by the way. We'll call him later. We'll call him later. I'll text one of his staffers to let him. I'll shoot him a text. I didn't even.

Just left you a voicemail, but your phone seemed to be off in your voice. I was like, what is Ryan doing on his phone while he's talking? So good. All right, let's put F3 on the screen. Tom Cotton, his response here, he says, no one likes change of the clock, me included. But Congress has enacted permanent daylight savings time multiple times before, correct. and is repealed each time

because Americans experience absurdly late sunrises in the winter. Arkansas don't want their kids going to school in the pitch dark, and I will always put Arkansas first. And so that's my, if you live on the East Coast and you support this, you are out of your mind. It would be 8 o'clock in the morning, maybe even 8.30, even 9, depending on, I think in Michigan, 9. And there would be no sunup.

9 o'clock. Also, what? The sunset can set at 545 instead of 445. It doesn't make any difference. But the difference between 9 and 8, that's a huge difference. You can be up. I mean, I've been awake for four hours or something like that at that point. There's no sun up? That's bad for your biology. It's bad for your sleep. And the whole reason that they do this is so that rich golfers and tennis people and people like Nate Silver, who once wrote in his stupid long screed defending this. He's It's like it's so glorious in the summer when it's 9 o'clock and you're at a baseball game, the sun is up? I'm like, is it? It actually sucks, in my opinion.

You know, you know I have to wait in July 4th for the fireworks till 9.45? The sun should not be up at 9.30 p.m. That's insanity. It should be down by 8.30. That's normal. The sun should be up at 4 a.m. Why? Because it's summer. And we have longer days. All right? If you don't like it, get over it. That's how most people live for century. So I've ranted long and hard. The floor is yours. The funny thing is that Trump really seems to think that everybody is changing all of their clocks all the time. That's another thing. I'm like, dude, we all have phones. No one gives a shit. You could make a better argument in the 1970s about changing clocks. They all figured it up. In fact, they all supported this legislation. They passed it. Within a year, they repealed it because parents of young children, like Ryan's, who all have to get up and go to school in the morning. They hated it. And they were killed, literally killed in car accidents. Yeah.

So, look, I mean. My kids walk like two miles. to school. That's awesome, by the way. That's actually incredible. More children should do that. Uphill both ways. There are uphill parts both ways. Is that true? Yeah. But, yeah, you want it to be light out while they're doing it. But so my solution would be, since we don't actually have to change the clocks ourselves, just move at a minute or two every single day. See, I love this. This is more standard. You set, we collectively decide when we want sunrise to be. I would start the opening bid at say 6.50 a.m. Whatever. Well, we can stupid. Come on, that's super late. Too late? The sun should be up at 5.30 in the morning.

How about 6? No, that's too late. You want 5.30? 5.30. Who's up at 5.30? Everybody's up at 5.30. The vast majority of America's up by 7 a.m. That's another.

People are like, I don't even get up early. Literally the statistics show that I think it's like 70-something percent of Americans are awake by 7 in the morning. Just because you're laying in your phone, and that's the only light that you're getting doesn't mean that you shouldn't have the sun. Let's say six. So it moves. it moves then with the sunrise and just moves all year long. Well, that's how it used to be. So I was telling you, one of my favorite museums,

the National Watch and Clock Museum, I highly recommend it, is there was a revolt, actually, in our country at the time of the Industrial Revolution, because farmers were like, why do I need this standardized time bullshit? They're like, we just live off farm time. I forget what they called it. It was like, oh, solar time.

That's what it was. Solar time was, we get up when the sun gets up, and then we go to bed when it goes down. We don't care what time you see. say it is in Washington, but eventually they had to care because of the railroad, and they would transport all of their goods. Yeah, and it was, and there were different times in, say, Chicago and New York and St. Louis, which is normal. California. And, but they weren't, like, they weren't uniform at all, so the railroads were, like, losing their minds. And the railroads basically insisted that Congress

set the time. That's exactly what happened. Railroads, with their power, like, literally set time. And so we've lived on the tyranny of the railroad clock for almost 200 years at this point, not quite. And it's now time to go back to what we did for the other 50,000 years of humanity. So people know I'm a history guy. So there is not one instance in history, not one, where someone has changed the permanent daily savings time and liked it. So I read this book, Mortaza recommended it to me, defeated. It's a history of post-war Japan. and a little anecdote that I love,

one of the most hated parts of the American occupation of Japan was daylight savings time. They were like, this is miserable. And one of the first things they did after we left was repealed daylight savings time. They live in fine. They live fine in Tokyo.

They're doing okay. One of the most advanced civilizations in the history of mankind, the Japanese, one of the first things they did whenever they threw off the American yoke was to remove daylight savings time. Let me tell you about a little place called Russia where they also tried daylight savings time.

Repeated repealed. They said, oh, no, this isn't going to work. In the United States, 1970s, we did it. Nope. Immediately after they try, everybody thinks they want it. Everybody thinks they want it. Until they get it. Until they get it. It would be a nightmare. It's like, great point. Great point. Yeah, you're like, you always want to take, you need to take accountability, but I don't want to take it for myself. Like the idea of it. You know, the long history of mankind is searching for solutions to problems that don't exist. especially in the post-industrial revolution. I need a personal AI agent to book a flight for me because my time of watching reels on my phone is so valuable. All right, I need more time. Just have the agent watch the reels. Yeah, yeah, right, too. The agent is already picking the reels for you or TikTok or whatever you're doing. Like, I need more time so I can gamble and watch pornography. That's the reality of most of people's lives. And so that's what we're doing

here. It's like, we're like, oh, life will be so much better if the light is in the evening. No, it won't. No, it won't. Is it they're like, I'm going to play outside with my children. Statistically, you're probably not, all right? You know what you're going to do? You're going to watch Instagram. So you might as well do it in the dark and then let people wake up early in the morning, at least set their sleep cycle correctly as it should be. It's the best four months out of the year. I personally can't wait. And I hope that Tom Cotton, stand tall, my friend. Get back to us, Tom. Yeah. Couldn't give you a voice man. I'm just so happy that you are on my side, Ryan. For some reason, I was like, he may be a permanent dayland. Kyle apparently is a huge. Oh, that's right. I saw him in the reply.

It's hard for D-time. Daylight Savings Time. Crystal, I believe, is ambivalent. She's very ambivalable. So anyway, I will say, it's better for you. The American Academy of Sleep Science has proven this time and time again. There is no evidence that any civilization in the history of mankind who has tried this ever actually liked it. And so there you go.

You should always bet on those types of trends. If you support this, you're wrong and you're an idiot. All right. So with all of that said, we're going to do our AMA now live. Everybody give please props to Ryan down in the comments. He literally got off a red-eye flight and just did this entire show. You wouldn't be able to tell. Honestly, amazed, I would be dead if I were you.

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