Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 10/6/25: Soybean Farmer Rips Trump, Shutdown Polling, Van Jones Blames Foreign Misinfo On Israel Criticism

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Krystal and Saagar discuss soybean farmer rips Trump, shutdown polling, Van Jones blames foreign misinfo on anti Israel sentiment.   Jeremy Scahill: https://x.com/jeremyscahill      To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, like we talked earlier, we went from $12 billion to zero. And then, you know, as a farmer, we get up one morning and you give Argentina, which is our second biggest competition in the world. They're the largest exporters of soybean meal in the world. So I get up one morning, I turn the news on, and you get $20 billion of taxpayer money to my competition. And then the Chinese buy, I think the figure is 30 or 40. 40 containers, ships, which is about 65,000 metric tons per ship, which is like 2.2 million

bushels. So they buy $12 or $14 billion worth of soybeans from the Argentinians after the tax holiday. And here's the caveat to it. They give $2.30 over the November board while I'm getting 50 cents under the November board. So that makes the Argentinian soybeans about $12.42 a bushel. I think that's the real figure they gave. So all my premiums, They all went to Argentina. So all my premium went to Argentina. Man, I haven't gotten into Wayne on Argentina. That is so patently insane that we're bailing these people out.

Literally just because they're Trump friendly. I mean... And because a bunch of hedge funds. Yeah, of course. Hedge funds and VCs, etc., who placed bets on the Malay dream. And now our own people are like, hey, what the fuck, dude? And then we had the leaked text messages that came out from, what was it, to Scott Besson? about the Chinese, just the way that these people have handled this, it offends me more than anything.

Like the lack of coherence, the incompetence, it is unbelievable. And it would be funny if it weren't for guys like that, the soybean farmer, bailing out Argentina, becoming the laughing stock, having no real trade deal here with China. By the way, I've been tracking closely. The new prime minister of Japan previously had said, I'm going to renegotiate that trade deal. So let's see how that goes. We turn Japan against us. Great.

Awesome. There are so many instances on the world stage and here publicly where things just make genuinely no sense, like no sense whatsoever. And so putting it all together with the economy, that's what worries me because at the same time, the one industry, which is actually getting quite a bit of help from the federal government, is AI. And there's some worrying stuff out there. Let's put this up here on the screen.

The AI bubble is, quote, 17. times now, the size of the dot-com frenzy, and four times the subprime bubble, one analyst is saying, of course, look, we can always find an analyst to say everything, but of course, I like the headline. And I do think it kind of underscores some of the issues that we are having where we talked extensively about this. AI capital expenditure and data center spending specifically is the only thing propping up our economy. We would almost certainly be in a recession if it were not for AI data center spend. That is a highly inefficient way to make sure that you have GDP growth because it is not in any way distributed across the economy. It is not, it is the

literal opposite of what a thriving, small business, labor market and all of that is supposed to look like. If we look in the opposite direction, what do you say? You see everything else trending in the wrong direction. C3, for example, please, let's put this up here on the screen, quote, are we in a recession? Yes, if you live in one of these 22 states. And so they specifically point, if you look at those recession numbers, part of it is the flyover country where a lot of it is farming. That's where a lot of that is coming from. You have the Pacific Northwest.

You have Maine and a lot of the northeastern corridor, actually here in our own home state. And then including federal government. And then actually, this is very concerning if you look down south. Because down south and specifically around Florida, the Panhandle, these states were supposed to be booming under the new economy with work from home

and with new investment, Georgia and all these other places we're supposed to be getting a lot of money. And so, anyway, when you look at the, some of these, it's very worrying, and you consider that if you have 22 states, a lot of them in places that are not going to be data center reliant and or anything that has to do with the technology company or oil and gas, like you can see in Texas, it's expanding. You're already having issues. And they already say treading water in a lot of big economies, including California. So it's not a rosy picture when we put it all together. No, absolutely not.

And worth reminding you guys who were supposed to get a jobs report Friday. We did not get a report Friday. That was partly government shutdown, partly that we don't have a BLS commissioner, the one that gave the numbers Trump didn't like, got fired. The new guy, even conservatives were like, this guy can't do the job. And so his nomination had to be pulled. They previously had delayed an inflation report. But there was an ADP private jobs report that came out that showed a very damaging jobs number and a lower revision for prior months as well. So things looking incredibly shaky. And to go back to the piece about, you know, the tariffs and the way this is impacting everybody, put C4 up on the screen. I mean, this is just, this just kind of tells

you everything. So while the soybean farmers are getting screwed every way and five ways on Sunday, you have basically no tariffs on computer imports. So for these giant, you know, companies that are building out these data centers, they're not having to bear any extra costs from the tariffs. And you have this massive computer import surge. due to the AI boom. So this speaks to the terror policy also speaks to the increasing consolidation of our economy in this, you know, very speculative AI data center boom. And, you know, it's possible, by the way, just like with the dot-com bubble, that AI genuinely

does turn out to be transformative and that a bunch of people lose their asses and we have a massive, you know, crash and contraction and a bubble bursting. because most of these investments that are being made, and we're talking insane amounts of money being thrown at AI and at data center build out right now, most of this is not profitable. They're still in this land of like, well, we'll figure out how to make money down the road, but we have to be the ones to win the AI race. And so, of course, that could set up a massive bubble situation. Huge news just this morning.

AMD stock is up like 40%. Open AI and AMD have announced a massive new computing deal, quote, marking the new phase of the AI boom. Five-year agreement will challenge Nvidia's market dominance as OpenAI plans deployment of the AMD new chip. Their stock is literally booming overnight. I think it's actually carrying a decent portion of some of the gains this morning. But what does that mean? I mean, do you remember we, oh yeah, I was on with Ryan, where Open AI invested $150 billion, I forget into who, into some company, and then their stock went up by like $150 billion. And you're like, wait, what? You're like you're spending money, but then your stock goes up. I think it was

Nvidia. That's what it was. It was like, we're going to spend X, Y, and Z, and then our market cap is going to go up by X, Y, and Z. It's like, but no, the money's going out of the company. Right. So how does this work? You're like, what? Look, I'm not a smart person, I guess, when it comes to stocks, because I would have predicted a crash a long time ago. But something about this, it just doesn't seem right. And then the SORA AI, you know, I originally was kind of excited for Sora. Once Sora 2 came out, I'm like, this is literally just TikTok Slop, like AI TikTok Slop. I saw Mr. B. other people being like, oh, it might replace creators?

I don't think so. At least for right now. Not yet. To my eye, it looks like shit. And I have yet to see a piece of creative AI art that actually passes the smell test. But I don't know. They're getting close, though. I mean, they are close.

Have you seen anything compelling? Yeah. Like, actually good. Yes. Okay. So, Kyle and I were talking about this last night. And he was showing me these videos that people made of, like, I don't know, WWF, like, 1990s WWF remakes, but it'll be like Tupac Shakur and Bickey, right? And because you're telling it to do it

in that style, the camera quality is low. So it's a little fuzzy, the way that if you watch some 1990s media, the way it would look. And they pull that off really pretty well. Oh, I've seen some of these 90-era's cuts. Yes. It's like, take me back. I feel like those are the ones where it comes closest. If you're trying to create a video that has the quality of like, you know, 4K cameras in 2025 or whatever, and that level of Christmas, people have a little bit of that uncanny valley. Like there's a weird sheen to them. It's just not quite right.

But they're getting pretty close. I mean, the level of the rapidity of the development is, for me, it's very unsettling. I personally think we should just shut it all down. Because we are not as a society, you know, the economic piece is one really important piece, Just like as a society, are we ready for this? Think of the people fall in for some of the crap that's being put out now that is obviously AI and people are falling for it. You're going to have a total, like, failure and inability of society to understand what is real and what is false. Things that are real, remember Trump with the thing they were thrown out, the White House went in and he was like, oh, that's probably AI.

Like things that are actually real. Or you can look at the images in Gaza that, you know, the property. began to say, oh, that's not real, that's fake, that's AI, whatever. There will be that dynamic where things that are really happening people say are fake, things that are fake are going to be deemed as real. It's going to be topsy-turvy, and we are as a society in no way prepared to deal with that reality, let alone the other implications in terms of jobs displacement and what the social contract is going to look like, all of that. So to me, I find it all, I'm very troubled by all of it. I'm worried as hell. You know, we were talking,

The first SORA video that went viral was a surveillance video of Sam Alton. And I said, can you imagine if this shit had been around just a few weeks ago when Charlie was shot and Tyler Robinson deep fakes that were going around? You can see it happening like this. Also, to the discussion we just had about potential division and all that. These boomers barely know what's real on face. Have you seen some of the stuff they're already sharing? Yes. Which is so fake.

Those weird bridge videos where people are like on a glass bridge and it falls apart and then a dog rescues a girl and whatever. and people are believing this stuff. Yeah, it's really scary. I mean, I'm not sure that some of the Tyler Robinson stuff that I have seen isn't a. I don't know for sure. I'm not sure, right? These surveillance, if they're grainy, whatever, you could fake that easily already. So, I don't know.

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We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to heavyweight on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive,

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appears to be an impasse as well. Trump is trying to, you know, pin the blame on Democrats. We'll show you some polling to indicate whether people are buying that or not. But let's go ahead and take a listen to Trump. Well, I call them Democrat layoffs. They're Democrat layoffs. They're causing it. We're ready to go back. You know, we have a record-setting economy. We have a record-setting countries. Prices are way down. We're doing better than the country's ever done. And the Democrats hate seeing that. It's up to them. Anybody laid off that's because of the Democrat. Despite the current Democrat-induced shutdown, we will get our service members every last penny.

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. And, Sager, I'm sure you saw how they were, like, forcing people's, like, out-of-office replies to blame the Democrats and putting up messages on the government websites. I mean, hatchacked, what's that? Apparently doesn't matter anymore, but that's his framing. Yes. Well, you know, I said this this morning. Is this the weirdest shutdown you've ever been through?

2013 and 2018, it was the biggest story in the world. Front page in the New York Times, there's not a single story about the shutdown. Not one. I went to the front page of the Wall Street Journal. Open AI is the leading story. Nobody cares. It's crazy. I mean, look, this may be a D.C. bias.

But 2013 and 2018, especially, I cover the White House in 2018, every single day. Shut down, shutdown, shut down, shut down. When I was in the White House briefing room, shut down. When Trump was doing a press conference, all we're asking about is a shutdown. If you were in the White House today, what's the number one question you would ask? Probably Portland or Gaza. Yeah. I wouldn't ask Trump about the shutdown.

Yeah. It's weird. I mean, look where it is in our show. We put it in. Yeah, you're right. It's number four. It doesn't feel like the stakes are high. And I don't know.

I mean, it's a weird situation, right? Because if you can shut the whole government down and nobody cares, did the government really shut down? I mean, I'm not saying there won't really be effects or any of that. But it is kind of an interesting question as to. the, maybe a lot of us are just a nerd. We went through 2018, not much change, let's be honest. It was the longest shutdown American history was 35 days. I lived through it.

Half of it was through Christmas, so I guess people just kind of ignored it. TSA still functioned. Troops got paid, whatever, right? Maybe that's just where we are now. Like, this is just baked into the process, even though it's a sign of, like, genuine small-dey, like, democratic failure in terms of the republic. But it's odd. I've been trying to think through it, because I have all my,

old brain, D.C. Brain for a shutdown, where I'm like, oh, what about a deal or a gang of nine or something? There's nothing. Nothing is happening. Everyone's out of town. Yeah. They're not even here. I think it's shutdown fatigue from all these years of shutdown politics. I think it's also just, you know, so many extraordinary things are being done in this in Trump 2.0 in particular that the bar for like freak out is really high. And so, and I also think Doge plays in there too, where you had all of these insane cuts in the hatchets and 100,000 federal employees just resigned as part of that like fork of the road thing, their time was up. That just happened. And so, you know, these massive cuts to the federal government that have happened under the Trump administration also

just feels sort of like, oh, you know, this is this is what we're doing, apparently. So I think that's part of, part of why. I don't know, that's how best I can figure it out is just, even in my own sense of like, you know, what I'm most concerned about, the shutdown to me is important for Democrats to take a stand because it's the only place they have power and to try to fight back. But I would say also the, you know, the issue suite that they picked is really important. Very critical health care for people. It's a place where, you know, Democrats are winning the rhetorical battle. People broadly support the expansion on the ACA subsidies, etc. But it also doesn't get to like the beating heart of what the base cares about. And so I think

that's part of it as well. Definitely. Let's put the polling up there, shall we? Let's just go Go ahead and skip forward. D3 guys, please. And you can see how the government is handling the shutdown. For Trump, a 32% approval. Representatives is 28. Congressional Democrats is 27. People just, people don't like, okay, this is chaos. This is dysfunction. You know, that's generally how people feel about everybody involved. Let's go to the next one, shall we? And continue. Concern about the government shutdown on the economy. Very concerned, 49%. But everybody else, either somewhat or not concerned. Let's continue. And we can look at this. Are the positions worth the government shutdown? Democratic position, only 28% say worth it. The Republican position,

only 23% say worth it. If you look at not worth it, it's 40 and 45. And then not sure is basically equally tied to some 30% continue, please, basically showing you, by the way, that people are not fully on board. In terms of who's to blame for the government shutdown, you have the plurality, 39% say Trump and the Republicans, 30% to the Democrats, 31% say equal. So there's a lot of like, either Trump, Democrats, both equally, going around kind of hatred of the political system. And then finally, let's go to the last one. Among Democrats, a congressional shutdown, quote, is it worth it? Only 48% say yes, which, to me, that's a huge messaging failure from the Democratic Party.

Agreed. Because, you know. With your own people, it should be higher. You need to be in the 90. If you had polled Republicans at the height of the 2013 shutdown, was it worth it? I can guarantee you it would have been like 80 or 90. Oh, you think so? During that Tea Party wave, the Obama, the hatred, where everybody was, they were ready. They were like, we are done.

And this is where I do feel like the, you know, what the base wants them to make a stand on is like National Guard needs to be out of our cities. Like those sorts of the authoritarian crackdown pieces. That's where the energy is with the base. So basically, like, you can't fund this authoritarian government. And so the health care piece is smart for a like general office. audience messaging. And it does put Trump in a bit of a bind and the Republicans in a bit of a bind because, you know, the fact that health care is about to get wildly more expensive is genuinely a bad thing for them. That's like a really, it's like a, you know, red flashing

light that is blinking that is about to be a major political problem for them. So they do have some incentive to deal with that and be able to extend those subsidies and not have those issues for the midterms. You've got some frontline Republicans who are in Switzerland. swing districts who feel like, let's just go ahead and, you know, and go ahead and extend these subsidies as well. But if you're trying to energize your own people and, like, have them committed to this and really be on board and we're like going to the mat and we're not going to cave, et cetera, it's not really quite, it's not quite the right message. It's very focused as it's very like what polls the best, what's our best strategic tactical advantage. I understand it. And by the way,

I'm not saying it's not important. I'm just saying in terms of where the energy and the base is, this is not really it. Do we have that tweet about being weak? Do we have that, which you mentioned? Yeah. Maybe I can just talk about it. Okay. So they asked people like what words best describe the two parties.

And I think they gave them some choices. So it wasn't just like free form. They gave them some choices. So the number one word describing the Democratic Party at 64% is weak. And the number one word describing the Republican Party at 59. percent is extreme. And so that's kind of, I mean, I think that's how people view these parties. It's like the Democrats are weak and lifeless. Chuck Schumer, heim Jeffries, not exactly inspiring any confidence in literally anyone at this point. And then the Republicans are like off their rockers

doing all this crazy stuff, but they're strong. You know, there's a, the next one down for Republicans is strong. Wow. So that's, you know, that's kind of the way that people are viewing this. And yeah, I mean, I do think that's the biggest problem. And that's what people don't understand, not to go too far afield, but that's what people don't understand about the appeal of Zoron, is that, or even like, you know, you brought up Graham Platner earlier, but putting aside, like, the content of the policy, there's a sense that these guys, like, know what they believe in, they're willing to take heat over it, they're willing to take a stand, et cetera. And that is so sorely lacking within the Democratic Party, I do think that just like a content-free sense of this is a person who has a strong view of the world and is willing to stand on a principle. is a big part of their appeal. I need to see it in a more better. That's why I'm watching Graham much closer than North.

New York is a blue city. Like, look, no offense to the guy. I think he ran a good campaign. Good for him. I want to see it work in like an actual polarizing state or, you know, a place where Republicans have won in the past. That's where I'm curious to see what that brand and all of that will end up looking like because that's the ultimate question of can you actually oppose the national party in your own state

and overcome that in the way that the Tea Party Republicans were. Or are you just going to be looked at as a normal Democrat, if that makes sense. Yeah, well, that's, I mean, that would be their greatest appeal is just like you're willing to actually stand up to the Democratic Party and separate yourself from them because they have a terrible, terrible, terrible. Can we shout out Crystal for the core power of 42 gram? I freaking love them. They're so good. Yeah, they're the best. They're like, it is a magic elixir of those, whatever that drink is.

Nope, no, we're not getting paid for this. I'm down. I have a case of those in my house. I freaking love them. Come on, why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. Still using yesterday's tech, upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, ultra-light, ultra-powerful, and built for serious productivity

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So Van Jones on with Bill Marr over the weekend and decided to make a joke about dead Gaza babies, in his words, showing up in everybody's social media feeds. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. I love this conversation because I think people, those of us who went to college, give a lot more credit to college courses for how the world works than I do. This is not about critical race theory on college campuses.

This is about Iran. Iran and Cutter have come up with a disinformation campaign that they are running through TikTok and Instagram that is massive. If you are a young person, you open up your phone and all you see is dead Gaza baby, dead Gaza baby, dead guys baby, Diddy, dead Gaza baby, dead guys a baby, dead guys a baby.

That's basically your own feed. So that's not D-EI. That is a geopolitical adversary that is deliberately trying to divide the West against itself. There is so much to say about this. First of all, there's zero evidence that any of this has to do with an Iranian or Qatari disinformation campaign.

But these are the sorts of things that you can just casually throw around and people just accept it. Rather than, oh, I don't know, the fact that most Americans are horrified by the idea of our tax dollars going to murder Gaza babies. Maybe that's a big part of why people

are sharing that content and are feeling the horror at the morally compromised position that we as American taxpayers are being put in here. That's number one. Number two, you've got Thomas Friedman and Bill Maher, both there, chuckling. Number four. And the audience.

You've got the audience. I will say, having been on the show, they, like, tell the audience when to laugh, but it's not an excuse, but that's part of what's going on there. We don't docks them, but guys, you've got to think about that one a little bit. Van felt enough pressure that he did put out this apology, sort of, put this up on the screen. He said, I made a comment on real time with Bill Maher about the war in Gaza that was insensitive and hurtful. I apologize the suffering the people of Gaza, especially the

children, is not a punchline. I'm deeply sorry. It came across that way. It came up, no, it was, you meant it as a punchline. It was supposed to be a laugh line. Anyway, what's happening to children in Gaza is heartbreaking. As a father, I can't begin to imagine the pain their parents are enduring, unable to protect their kids from unimaginable harm. I'm praying and working for immediate end to this war and for peace and safety for every family call in its path. I'm truly sorry for the pain my words caused to people who are already suffering more than anyone should. So, okay, so he felt pressure to apologize, but he still does not take back this narrative that the reason why, yeah, you're seeing atrocities in your feed is because of some foreign

misinformation, like propaganda sciop. And I think it's really important that we sit with that at a time when, you know, it's official now. Barry Weiss is going to be editor-in-chief of CBS. You've got, you know, Oracle, the Ellisons and Fox News taking over TikTok and already reportedly some censorship that is occurring there. And we could put the Ellison just so you know what their deal is, but E3 up on the screen. Oracle executives say, love Israel, or maybe this isn't the job for you. They were like sending people who objected to the companies just all in pro-Israel stance

for mental health resources, like there was something wrong with you if you just didn't agree with that. So anyway, those are the people who are buying TikTok. And it would not surprise me if the justification that they use for increased censorship of pro-Palestinian views is exactly what Van Jones is pushing here. Yeah, I mean, we're going to be real, real here. Like, who's the number one spreader of foreign propaganda on social media? Be honest. Like, especially in the wake of October 7th. What I got to go through all the hoaxes that we have had to drip through over the last two years? That they're paying influencers $7,000 per post. Yeah, I do. I want to see more documentation on that one because it seems so insane, but I would not put it past them, right? At the

very least, who do you think? If we were to say that there is foreign influence over American politics, is there what country comes even close to Israel? There's not a single one. And yet it's like, this is some Qatari or foreign disinformation op. I don't know. I mean, I just think this is massive cope on the part of a lot of the pro-Israel community. They just can't fathom that a lot of people just aren't buying their bullshit anymore. And, you know, the fact, I guess you're right. He felt like you had to apologize. And I don't love what aboutism necessarily. Let's say in October 19th, if you had the balls to go on the Bill Maher show and say, every single time I open my social media feed, it's oven baby, oven baby, oven baby.

can you imagine can you imagine and by the way that from what we know so far was not true correct all right according to horettes and I'll ask chat GPT if you want to do about your but don't ask Pete Buttigieg because he's still

buying that particular discrimination okay but I mean can you imagine how you canceled you would be if you said about it which by the way it was true because they spread that overwhelmingly to the entire American population to everybody on social media to everybody who engaged in politics

that they wouldn't, so that they would say something like, yeah, but what's happening in Gaza's horrific, but did you see what happened on October 7th? That's still the line that they used today. I don't know. So, you know, it's like if we're going to be, if we're going to be able to laugh and all of that at everybody, which I'm actually fine with, as long as it's equally distributed, I don't see, I don't see a world where today you could take to the Belmar airwaves and say what I just said. Yeah. Like on October to 19th. Which is crazy because Bill himself. Bill wouldn't be there, chuckling, that's for sure. Right. But Bill, this is what's so nuts. Bill himself was canceled September 17, 2001, for saying that actually we're the cowards because we launch missiles into the Middle East, and it seems like it's not cowardly to crash a plane into the Twin Towers. So he said that once upon a time. And yet now his show seems to be part of the same machine.

There's something to be said, too, about Vann's journey, let's say. I mean, this guy, this guy was. 100 mil from Bezos buys a lot. Bay Area Maoist radical, signed some sort of 9-11 truther type conspiracy letter was alleged to. Kick down on the Obama administration because he was too extreme. And now, like, and by the way, specifically on Israel-Palestine, called for Palestinian liberation, I believe called an apartheid. I mean, he was in the, like, to go from apartheid to this is wild. The lefty position. He had some, I don't know, I saw some people sharing it.

some like liberation rap album or something where he was talking about Palestine. I mean, he was on the left, like truly on the left. And then, you know, then he's in Obama world. Then he's on CNN. Then he's getting $100 million from Jeff Bezos. And he appeared at that like pro-Israel march early on. Well, he's wearing the hostage pin. Yeah, exactly.

And it's like, bro. I just, I don't know. Well, the whole world is going the opposite direction. Well, the whole world, how many people, you know, including Emily's talked about this, how many people have had their eyes open to like what the state is and what it's doing and their lies and their propaganda, et cetera. And you're going in the other direction. I would count myself in that kind of world. I don't know. I didn't, I didn't hate Israel before this. I mean, look, I don't count myself in that. And listen, I, you know, I had the critique, you know,

apartheid, all of that. But in terms of like, just how sick it was, I did not, I did not understand. I was totally, I was genuinely neutral. I didn't care. I didn't support military. 8 or any of that. I don't know what's military aid to most places. But yeah, to see it now, I'm like, oh my God. So congratulations to Barry Weiss with all that things. I'm the new editor chief over at CBS. By the way, we'll probably talk about this tomorrow. But she sent out a letter of 10 journalistic principles. And the first one is journalism that reports on the world as it actually is. So that's number one. All right. Got it. So we'll preview a little show maybe what we'll talk about tomorrow. All right. Thank you guys so much for watching. Sorry we went over time,

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