Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 10/8/25: Soybean Farmers Screwed By Milei Bailout, Bibi Salivates Over Iran War, Candace Owens Kirk Texts Confirmed, Douglas Murray Caught Writing Draft For Israeli Official

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Ryan and Emily discuss soybean farmers screwed by Milei bailout, Netanyahu salivates on Iran war, Candace Owens leaked Kirk texts confirmed, Douglas Murray caught writing draft speech for Israeli official. Eugenia Muzio: https://x.com/eugemuzio  Negar Mortazavi: https://x.com/NegarMortazavi    To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Treasury Secretary Scott Besson, himself, a former hedge funder, in enacting that bailout. But first, we wanted to check in on Argentinian President Javier Miele and see how he's responding to this bailout. Okay, I'm right. There we go. It's doing great. All right, to give a little bit of context, if you haven't been following our reporting on this, let's roll D3 to show the kind of different reaction that American farmers are having to this bailout. Well, the stopgap needs to come because they've kind of painted the farmer in a corner.

I mean, I want trade, not aid. I need a market. I need a place to sell this stuff. I can work hard enough and make a product. If you'll give me someplace to sell it, I'll take care of myself. But they've painted us in a corner with this China deal and China buying no soy beans. I mean, they've tore a market in half. I mean, if you take the four years prior to Trump's first tariffour, the average price of a bushel of soy beans is $12.54. The average price for the four years during Trump's first tariffore is $9.39.

That's a $163 an acre swing. to the minus. The next four years after the tariff war, the average price is $13.59. That's a $218. Now we're back to $10.21. I think the board is today. My local elevators, $9.79. So I'm at $172 an acre loss. I mean, you can't, the farmer can't continue to produce a crop below the cost of production. And that's where we're at. And we don't have anywhere to sell it. We're in a tariff war with China. We're in a tariff war with everybody else. I mean, where does they want me to market this stuff? All right. Joining us now is Eugenie Muzio, a reporter from Argentina, who's been doing a lot of work in this case. And so for people not

following along, so the Trump administration started its second trade war with China. China responded by telling the United States, but we're not buying any of your soybeans. Most of the soybeans that the United States grows go to China. That's a huge problem for American farmers. Two main competitors to the United States are when it comes to soybeans are Brazil and Argentina. Brazil selling enormous amounts of soybeans over to China. Argentina is struggling economically big time. All of a sudden, they get a lifeline from Treasury Secretary Scott Besson in the form of $20 billion. Bailout immediately.

The Argentinian government cuts its export taxes, and then they sell enormous amounts of soybeans to China at a much discounted price. infuriating American farmers. But it turns out, according to the reporting down in Argentina, that American hedge funds played a significant role in this. So, Eugenia, can you tell us a little bit about Rob Citrone and the role more generally of hedge funds in helping to bring about this kind of catastrophic situation for everybody? Well, hello to everyone.

Yes. well, that policy that Minister Riscaputo take on, I think it was like a desperate policy because Argentina was passing through like a week with a lot of financial expectation because we have elections going on on October 26th. And in Argentina, elections are always, they move along a lot of things

and in economy most of. So I think it was a desperate policy from Minister Caputo because he needed liquidity in the markets because the pressure for the dollar, our exchange rate, it's very, very strong. So in Argentina, when the dollar comes up, then our prices comes up and the inflation is like, the inflation is a thing.

So, yes, Rob Citron, I know he's known Biscaputo, he knows also Scott Besant. He buys bones from Argentina before all this. And all of this stuff that is going on, it seems like, is it, I don't know, it may be a financial advantage from some hedge funds. So here in Argentina, we are expecting the bailouts. We are expecting news because our minister with Caputo is now there in Washington. He's been there for six days that it's a lot for a country. It is in a financial crisis.

Our crisis, we have an economic crisis, like very strong economic crisis. But now we are passing through financial crisis because we have a debt. A little, sorry, a big debt in January, we holdout. So it's like $4 billion. And Argentine exchange foreign reserves are very, very low, even in negative rates, I would say. If there's not for IMF, also dollars. So I think it was a desperate movement from Argentina. and then the people that are around with Caputo

and also Scott Besson took advantage of its. So let's watch a little bit of Rob Citrone. This is going to be D2, and we'll get your reaction in you. Well, I think there's special times every five or ten years where there's a really spectacular trade in investment that we then will concentrate in a meaningful way. 2013 and a dollar yen, where we made over a billion dollars long dollar yen. And, in fact, we discussed it quite a bit with George,

and I kind of convinced George and Scott Besson at the time to go big in that. And, you know, Scott says I'm responsible for 75% of his bonus at Soros, kind of jokingly over that time. So it was on the Goldman Sachs podcast, actually, Ryan, what did you want to add? No, yeah, yeah, just in case people aren't following along there, and you know, you can pick up on this. So Cetron is saying that Scott Besson, for the George Soros fund.

Yep. He and Besson collectively went in together and pulled off a trade on the yen, the same type of currency play that he's doing with Argentina, where he made a billion dollars, like in a day, which we can get into the way that that kind of currency trading extracts wealth off the backs of regular people. So he and his friend Bessent are on record as having done this kind of currency play before. And so now he is back in Argentina, making the same currency play. But now his friend is the Treasury Secretary and bails him out of a bad trade.

Like, what have you found, what have you discovered about this and how are people in Argentina reacting to this? Because in some ways, this bailout probably, while it helps, Citron, also helps Argentina to stave off a bit of a financial crisis. So maybe, so this level of corruption is like, they're like, okay, well, fine. us out here. So, yeah, what's been the response and what have you found? Well, I think people didn't respond to this rock-sitron currency trade because I think they are like more occupied in their own economic crisis. Here, the economic crisis is a thing. I think, I mean, salary is very low. Jobs are, we have like a high level of unemployment So I don't think, like, the regular people do have, like, an impact of this.

Yes, the markets, the markets are talking about this, but this is not new for Argentina. We have a lot of corruption crisis, maybe you heard about Jose Bissefert, the candidate of La Libert which is the party of the government that had links with narcotics. So maybe that's the thing that is going on here and what's on news, but not Rositron and it's peculiar because we are talking about a pregnancy crisis, a financial crisis, an economic crisis and a friend of the secretary of the treasury secretary of the united states the one that it's going to give the bailout to argentina had a friend that already run a currency trade twice with the with japan and all major sorrows okay no so but has no impact in regular

people, I would say markets are going to, or maybe already thinking about it, but not a big movement. And, you know, last question for me is, could you tell us more about the political situation facing Miele right now? You mentioned the desperation in Argentina. Why is there that sense of desperation? What sort of political situation does Miele find himself in right now? why would it be important for the United States to continue supporting who they see as an ally,

and sort of an ally that finds himself maybe in some political trouble in the case of Milay? Okay, yes. Well, in Argentina, exchange rates is very important. As I said, our exchange rates determines inflation. and in April we have IMF 20 billion also and that 20 billion was used to maintain our exchange rate low because a low exchange in Argentina it means we have no inflation or it's like a fact, a very important fact for inflation. So there was interventions in markets.

I mean a central bank, I mean an Argentine treasury. And then we are in, they didn't do monetary policy to keep our peso, our currency up. So now we are here in this situation that the pressure in the markets are extremely high because we are going to an election. in October 26th, and the day passed, and when you get closely to the elections, the pressure is also high. So...

On that point, when Scott Bessent bailed out Argentina or announced that he was going to do it, he specifically said he wanted to do it in order to help Milay in the upcoming elections, which he said would then bring in more, you know, foreign capital into Argentina. How does, how do Argentinians feel about the U.S. just saying out loud that we're trying to, you know, buy Milay the upcoming election? Yes. The thing that is going on right now is that we don't have news about how is going to help United States to Argentina.

We know there is a swap negotiation of $20 billion, but that's it. I mean, there's no details, there's no period of time that we are going to receive the money. It's not a money. It's a credit line. It's a swap between central banks. But now the thing is that we are expecting news, like details, And the details are not coming. So that the nervous, the markets are nervous and they passed and Minister Caputo still is still in Washington.

So we are expecting the news. If there's no news, no news is bad. In between the next days, there will be bad news. Yes, interesting. Well, Johani, thank you so much for coming on and breaking this down. And people can check out your reporting over at Parfil. But thank you. Thank you.

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Listen to Heavyweight on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So a new report in the Israeli outlet Horarets, which is based on research. done by Citizen Lab, we can put up E2 here, finds an incredible astro-turfed network of basically bots operating on social media with what appear to be two primary goals. The first is convincing the world that the Iranian people desperately crave the return of the Shah in particular in the form of Reza Pahlavi, who appears to have actually basically no constituent. anywhere, either outside of Iran or in it. But the Israeli-Bad accounts are genuinely producing some sense among policymakers that he might actually be a thing. And then separately, and relatedly,

they played an active role during the 12-day war in creating basically fake news inside of Iran that was then picked up by Western outlets as actually having occurred, being the real behavior of actual Iranians inside during the war. So to talk about, that is Nagar Morgizavi, who is a policy analyst with the, what's it called, Center for International Policy, is that right? Yes. Old school kind of institutions, skeptical of American intervention abroad. Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.

Thanks for having me. So walk us through some of this report. And we have, oh, and before we get to that, it's, I think it's, I think it's, important to set the context here that we might be looking at war like any day now. Netanyahu sat down with Ben Shapiro just this week and effectively, if anybody was concerned, if anybody thought that maybe we're going to break from, you know, Israeli state rattling towards Iran, they were disappointed. So let's roll a little bit of Ben Shapiro and Netanyahu first. People probably don't believe it, right? We're far away, right? No, you're not. Iran is developing

now. Ballistic missiles that are intercontinental ballistic missiles for 8,000 kilometer range. What does that mean? They add another 3,000 kilometers, and they've got, under their gun, under their atomic guns. In New York City and Target, Washington, Boston, Miami, Mar-a-Lago. Okay? So that is a very great danger. You don't want to be under the nuclear gun of these people who are not necessarily rational

and who chanted death to America. All right. So, Nagar, what can you tell us about this, what Arets and Citizen Lab uncovered here when it comes to this AstroTurf operation? Sure, all right. And just to give some background, what we saw is Benjamin Netanyahu

basically trying to manufacture consent for a U.S. war on Iran, which is something he's been trying to do for over 20 years, very publicly. He's talked about it in U.S. Congress, behind the scenes. He's been trying to push a sort of boots on the ground, regime change type war that the U.S. did in Iraq, also in Iran.

The problem is the American public is not supportive of another regime change, big war, endless war in the Middle East. And also one big question people, Americans and others ask, is what if the regime falls? What's next? What's the day after? I think the Israelis have found in Reza Pahlavi sort of the product or that answer for the day after. This is the person for the day after. This is the seemingly democratic Western dressing, you know, well-suited and well-spoken person with good English that you want to be ruling Iran.

The problem is the Iranians don't really think that. And so that brings us to sort of these disinformation, astroturf, AI-generated fake campaigns. This is actually something that's been going on for years since the first Trump term. And many of us Iran watchers have been observing these massive, massive operations online. The problem is it's very hard to get evidence to actually connect them to the Israeli government because they cover up the tracks really well. So this is one of the few, and it's not the first one, but this is one of the few investigative reports that actually shows the evidence, connects.

I believe Harz has insiders who have leaked some of this information to them, their investigative word, and Citizen Lab has really dug deep and looked at some of these accounts that were posting content. And I think one thing that maybe tipped off Citizen Lab and really made this disturbing is that these accounts were posting content that was prepared seemingly with knowledge that the Israelis are going, what the Israeli army is going to do in Iran, specifically the bombing of the prison in Tehran. So videos that had been produced, fake videos of the bombing of the prison were put out very quickly after the actual prison was bombed. And the Citizen Lab sort of conclusion is that this couldn't have been done by an entity who didn't have knowledge. So this is probably an entity, a contractor, whoever is paid by the government, who also had very intimate knowledge and relationship with the IDF and their operations, which makes us so much more disturbing because so many prisoners and also civilians died in that prisoner, a bombing of the prison. And when Ryan first drew my attention to the story, my reaction was I always assumed this was an American neocon op. I mean, it's very clear that there are interests who have backed Pahlavi for a long time,

but the stay-after point that you're making is really important. So walk us a bit through the evidence that ties this. I mean, I'm sure there are American neocons who support this campaign, but walk us through the evidence in the way that it goes directly to the Israeli government, as was documented in the report. Absolutely. So just to add to your point, yes, there has also been a neocon sort of push. including online campaigns that have been promoting Kalavi for years,

especially we saw the uptick with the first, during the first Trump term, with sort of the more pro-war neocon camp, was trying to push for attacks for war in Iran and at the same time promoting this person as a viable sort of alternative to the regime. Well, the evidence, the Hartz reporting is mostly looking at how these fake accounts and bots and trolls are promoting Reza Pahlavi and sort of showing a fake support, a popular support for him through online. And they also connected to something important he says in one of his trips to Israel.

This is also important to know Rezapalavi has been making official, seemingly state visits to Israel since 2000, since about two years ago. And in one of those trips, people ask him if he's really a viable alternative or popular in Iran. And he says, don't just believe what I say, go and check social media. So these very popular accounts that have, yeah, it's a real connection. And so it's his account. It's also his wife's account.

We've seen in the past few years that have really, really been promoted, propped up with advertisement, with sort of campaigns. And in one instance, I believe his wife posted a video during the war, a video of a graffiti on a wall in Tehran that said in English, that Israel continued bombing were with you, as in the voice of the Iranian people with a graffiti in English on a wall in Tehran. And so the Hararets reporting also seems to have insider sources

unnamed sources who have verified this. I think the disturbance is also the fact that they see Israeli tax money being spent, not just propping up this person, sort of a foreign influence operation, but also the minister, the former intelligence minister, now science minister, Gila, Gimlil, who has been promoting Reza Paladin, has been really, seems to be the point person inside the Israeli government

to be pushing him. And these accounts not only promoted Pallavi, but then turned around and also promoted her online, which seems to have to disturb some people inside the government, basically saying, okay, that's a red line. You can't use taxpayer money to sort of manufacture fake support for yourself online. And the Citizen Lab report has specifically looked at that incident of the bombing of Ebbing Prison, where basically the online disinformation is very much tied to not just offline violence, but an actual war and bombing by an army, and they seem to be two arms of the same entity,

or very much connected. Yeah, and let's run through some of that, because it's really fascinating. We can put up E4. I think this is a VO. This is, this is what people eventually figured out was a, it was AI created. So this is a, this was posted within moments of the attack on Evan Prison and the translation here as kids, did you hear the sound of the explosion from Evan Prison? And a whole bunch of accounts that are in this now known bot network were posting the same

things. Well, did you hear that sound over from the prison? And BBC even ran a piece or somebody ran a piece and it started circulating based on this video of this explosion until people realized it was AI. I think it was BBC Persian maybe that figured out. It was AI. If you can put up E5, this is very very similar. Another one, oh wow, what a loud explosion sound. I just heard from the direction of the prison. You know, did you hear it too? kids did you hear the sound of the explosion in other attention pay attention to the hashtags also the second hashtag says evan must be free this is sort of a push to get actual people physically rushing to evan prison prison and getting it free and it was combined with

sort of a fake messages that evan is now free the doors are open and around it is safe for people to go and rush her of course nobody did but this was the aim of the campaign. Yes, and there is, and maybe we can add these in post, but there's some others that say, they're very actively trying to get people to go to the prison. They say, I think the attack will end now. There is no danger for the prisoners' families. Kids get ready. They just said there's no danger anymore. We can go see our loved ones. Kids hurry up. Our loved ones have been free. These are all different accounts. We can go see them and free them. So they're telling the public, okay, the bombing is over. Now let's all rush to this prison to try to break people out.

And Citizen Lab, to its credit, and also everybody watching this just came to the same conclusion. I'm like, wait a minute. How do these supposedly normal Iranians in their apartments know that the bombing is over at the prison? Who are they in touch with that told them that the bombing is now over? So I think the Iranian people had enough, you know, common sense to not be, you know, tricked by these accounts, which don't seem like they got a whole lot of attraction kind of internally. And so they did not rush to the prison and try to, you know, free everybody. But the danger here is it's probably, and I'm curious for your take on this. My sense is it's less about, they didn't really think they were going to do that. I think it's worth a shot trying. If this sparked some sort of protest inside of. Ron, but what they're really trying to do is trick Western journalists and policy analysts into believing that that's the case and then produce that artificial narrative that then they hope somehow can then devolve into reality on the ground. What's your sense of what the mission here was? Absolutely. Let me give you another example, Ryan. They bombed the stage TV as also

Live on air, yes. Yes. And also hacked the state TV and put out similar messages on state TV, basically saying, don't you remember how bad your regime is, how repressive, don't you remember the protest, time to rise up. I think one parallel goal, which wasn't achieved by the Israeli campaigns of bombing, was that people will rise up as they have before and they will overthrow the regime. And I think that's something they probably privately have been selling. and that this would be the last sort of the regime is on its last leg and they just need the final kick to fall.

And that also helps, you know, bringing the U.S., this bigger power into a war if you show them that you own the Iranian skies, you own Iran all land, you can bond them all you want, and the people are about to rise up and take over this regime. That's also been the rhetoric of sort of the radical opposition that we will overthrow this regime. We just need a little bit of help from the outsiders. That's also been the rhetoric of Reza Pate. We just need a little bit of support. South Africa wouldn't win without foreign support. Mandela wouldn't win without international support. And so there needs to be a little bit of international support, but Iranians will rise themselves.

And we saw that the exact opposite. The Israeli bombings, first of all, created a rally around the flag in Iran. And also not one person came to protest. And this is a government in a regime that's not very popular. We see protests after protest. But when your homes, when your schools, when your roads, when your roads, are being bombed by a foreign entity, that's really not the time to go on the street in protest. And that's exactly what we saw by Iranians.

And one other thing the bombing also showed people is whoever wasn't clear-eyed about whether Israel can have very targeted surgical attacks only on regime officials, I think now understand that there is no such thing and that you're going to have over 1,000 casualties, most of them civilians, even the military casualties, a lot of them were young conscript. who were just serving a mandatory military service. It's like Guatemala in the 1950s. Broadcasting stuff over the speakers. Yes.

The revolution's happening. The revolution's happening. Yeah, just hoping to convince people that it's true. Yeah. Fall a little flat, though. Yeah. This is such helpful information. Thank you for joining us.

Thank you for having me. All right. See you next time. is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator

on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer,

and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her. Or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said.

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the kind body story.

A podcast about a podcast. company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands and then to find out again that you're just not.

Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said this isn't a joke.

And he got down. And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The ugly fight over what Charlie Kirk said or did not say in the days, weeks, and months leading up to his assassination is raging on Candace Owens, released more information from what she says are three sources who confirmed something important to her.

let's go ahead and roll the clip. Three people told me off record. Two people who have this in a written communication from Charlie. One, who was a turning point USA donor, and I would say very much one of the white knights in this, the very day before Charlie Kirk died, he expressed that he thought he was going to be killed. He told these people, I think they're going to kill me.

Okay? He did not express that to me. me. So I am telling you this based off the testimony of three people. And I am saying this because I hope that these people who I think are good will be inspired to come forward with that. Again, those conversations I had were off record. I honor that. If I say it's off record, it stays off record. But I'm hoping that watching what I am doing and feeling the energy that is rising across the world, the people who want to know what the heck happened on 9-10, that, you know, they will be brave and they will say, Yeah, Charlie did the day before he died, think that he was going to be killed and maybe tell us who is they?

Well, for once and for all, who is they, who is the they that he thought were going to kill him? Well, on the question of who that they is, and Ryan and I will break down a little bit what off the record should mean as well. But the they, Info Wars reporter Harrison Smith posted, I'm not going to name names, but I was told by someone close to Charlie Kirk that Charlie thinks Israel will kill him if he turns against them. That was over the summer. I think it was actually even before. I was posted before he was killed. Yeah, it was before Charlie Kirk was killed, which I probably wouldn't normally bring that up because, again, even with Candace in this case, there's no clear sourcing. It's not as though even in like new independent media, we do more, I would say, vetting of claims than that.

But when you start to see more and more people saying stuff like this, it starts to sound like it actually really was the scuttle butt in the circles around Charlie Kirk, Ryan. which helps explain kind of some of the reaction in real time now just let i just want to be totally clear here let's say that it's true that charlie kirk did think that that does not lead logically then to the fact to the claim that they did it right right like that those are kind of disconnected things right but but it's important for understanding his legacy and the and the moment that we're in what was happening behind the scenes right and i just this is e8 so this is one of charlie's close friends, Andrew Colvette, who's been continuing to hold down the fort over at the Charlie Kirk show and talking a lot about trying to debunk some rumors and confirm other claims. He went through

these text messages that Candace Owens released that showed Charlie Kirk basically doing the I've had it up to here with these conservative Zionists argument. He didn't say it that way, but you can see pretty clearly from the text that Candace released, which people were immediately saying, there's no way these are real, there's no way these are real, showing Kirk's exasperation, utter exasperation with being told what he can and cannot say about Israel. These are within 48 hours of him being assassinated. So let's roll E8. To address some of the things that have been going around on public, namely about a text, a group text chain that has been made known and released by Candace Owens. And I just want to dress it head on because, you know, that was a text grab, a screen grab

that I had shared with people. So it is authentic. Take a look. So Charlie writes in this group chat just lost another huge Jewish donor, $2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candice. Somebody writes, oh, Charlie writes, Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes, I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause. And somebody writes, Sedona writes, please do not invite Candace. That might feel good short term, but it's not good long-term, in my opinion. Like all groups, you're going to get a wide variety of opinions, that nasty free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life frustrating at times after the dust settles a bit, maybe. So again, this is 48 hours

before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he was very clear and he was very explicit. So the Candace part came first, and then Colvette confirmed, as you saw in that clip, those were indeed real text messages. He said that's a screenshot, actually, that he had shared. And so these things... 24 hours before he's killed, roughly. Within 48, yeah. So clearly these things are pinging around because there were a lot of conversations in group chats. And it's so ugly to even have to talk about this because Charlie Kirk is not here to explain.

I mean, in group chats, there's sarcasm. It's all virtual. It's sarcasm. You say different things. It's easy to imagine how things can get taken out of context. I would say that's a pretty clear statement from Charlie Kirk, but he's obviously not here to explain. He did have that long interview with Megan Kelly,

where he put a lot of this in his own words. You don't even need to be taking things from group chats necessarily to know that he was deeply, deeply exasperated. And it seems that donor reference is to Robert Schillman, who the reporting from Max Blumenthal has been confirmed about him publicly revoking that money from Turning Point USA falling out with Charlie who considered him or they considered one another to be very close, almost a mentor-mantee relationship. So this was getting, this was clearly getting very nasty. And it shows the dynamic that we've seen over and over where he says,

he says, quote, just lost another huge Jewish donor, $2 million a year, and that's Schillman, $2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candice. That's the dynamic that we see so often. Megan Kelly is betraying a little bit of it lately where it's like, and she'll say this aloud, if you try to tell me what I can and can't do, I'm going to go the opposite direction.

Right. You don't want me to have Tucker? Oh, yeah? How about Candice too? Yeah. Just to like draw boundaries. Be like, no, this is my conference. This is my organization.

I'm going to make the decisions. And also, I'm going to make the decisions, and this is what he was saying, to Netanyahu and others, I'm going to make the decisions that I actually think are better for Israel. Like, he thought it was better for Israel to have this aired out in public, to sharpen your counterpoints against the narratives that exist, rather than try to suppress them and pretend they don't exist. And that is what he said, he tried to explain to Netanyahu in the letter. He said, this is, the suppression is like absolutely. the appearance of speech suppression, the existence of speech depression, is bad for you. Right. Right. You're not going to win this way. Right. It was his argument. And so, yeah, it has been fascinating to see this be the debate rather than what I thought right afterwards when they found out that the alleged shooters partner was a trans person. I'm like, oh, well, we're going to get a month or six weeks months, months, months of, like, you know, trans hate.

and instead this has been more of the conversation it's so ugly I mean it's just it's the amount of I mean if you think about the amount of digital evidence of your thought process that

you leave now in 2025 if you're somebody who works in politics and you're working this stuff out in you know he was clearly trying to keep everybody happy I think that's the big takeaway is that he was trying to tell supporters of Israel, he was still on their side and give them tough love. But then he was also

expressing privately how incredibly exasperated he was by all of this. He did it publicly, too, again, on the Megan Kelly interview. So it just... Right. You can imagine a guy who made his entire career starting from when he's 18 about debate. Yeah. And all of these, he has a $150 million organization that people are funding based on his career as something. somebody who wants to err different sides. Right, right. It'd be one thing if he ran A-PAC and invited Tucker Carlson to the conference. Right, right.

Then I think if you're an A-PAC donor, you're like, no, absolutely not. Get out of here. Like, he does not tow our line. Right. And that's fine. You're an advocacy organization for A-PAC. Like, no Tucker Carlson, totally fair. Yep.

but turning point USA is it's this it's it's built on the idea of debate and so the idea that you're that you can't have this debate which is tearing the conservative movement apart is just anathema to his very being and then as he explained on Megan Kelly to then layer on top of that a personal insult that you actually are anti-Semitic right um is was clearly driving him nuts despite all the time he has spent advocating for Israel. I mean, it's just, the fact that people are still right now treating his feelings like they were in some way illegitimate or flirting with anti-Semitism is,

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from, in particular, while serving as an editor at the Atlantic and a writer at the Atlantic where he still is, sent an email two days apart to Ron Prozer, who was the Israeli ambassador, one, asking him, and we can put this element up on the screen here, can I interview you for short profile in the Atlantic about what it's like to be Israeli ambassador at UN. That is a perfectly normal email for a journalist to send to a subject or a source. I'd like to write a profile for you, for the Atlantic, the journalistic news outlet, where I write,

would you be willing to participate in this interview? Wonderful stuff. Less usual is a separate email that he sent. We can put this one up on the screen. This is, I can't even believe it. This is from saying that he and Seth Mandel, a lot going on here, you might want to pause it and read this if you want, but that he and Seth Mandel, who writes for commentary, have been working on the draft for a speech for the Israeli ambassador. He says, this version was drafted by Seth Mandel of commentary with whom I've been working.

The top half is identical to what you read previously. The bottom half is much less pointed about U.S. policy. is this more in line with your thinking? That's July 31st, 2014. This is right after the 2014 Gaza War. And so it then includes a couple different versions of the speech. Later, Prozer responds. You can put this next element up there. Thank you, David. I will look at it and get back to you. So the target audience here is UN Security Council. You can look and see whether or not you think Frum's speechwriting, along with Mandel's, is up to snuff. From, as you may or may not know, it was a speechwriter for George W. Bush before becoming the kind

of anti-Trump resistance guy. He famously, or infamously, depending on your perspective, although there's not many who take the former anymore, came up with the phrase access of evil. That's what he was known for, Axis of Evil, which somehow included Iran, Iraq, and North Korea, who had none of which had anything to do with each other. Our last segment, to the point of manufacturing consent for the Iraq War. Right, and then the Iraq War brought in a Shia majority that linked up the country with Iran, but whatever. Talk about it.

So that's him. We've also got Mr. Doug Murray, Douglas Murray. He writes to Ron Prozer as well, roughly, like actually the same day. they're competing to write this speech. Very good to speak earlier. I am passing in here my first draft ideas. It's probably slightly long, and it's possible I have put in some more diplomatic things than needed, but I think I have got in all the points discussed to be worked on, doubtless. Can we do this in a British accent? We should, right? But let me know what your thoughts are, and I will give all the time I can to helping to get it right all very best wishes. As ever,

Douglas, Ron's Ron Prozer speech draft. I don't think I've ever heard you do a British accent. I don't think I could actually do it. I'm so grateful that you could do a very good one. So Murray, it gets worse. Like, okay, this is pretty bad. Journalists who are the one hand covering Israel, Palestine, there's a giant war that just happened.

At the same time, they're secretly writing drafts of speeches for the Israeli ambassador. That's pretty bad. And were they taking money for it, do we know? I highly doubt it. Okay. Volunteer. I would suspect that this is volunteer work.

We could find out, but like, Frum doesn't need the money. I don't know about Murray. This feels more like work of conscience. Yes. So, this is from the Dropside article. At the time, Murray was also providing other services in support of Israel and its military efforts. In November of that year, he wrote to Prozer to inform him that he had hosted an event that raised over one million pounds for an organization called the Association for the Well-Being of Israeli soldiers.

That organization had been created to provide funds, quote, directly to IDF soldiers and IDF units, created in 1942 before the creation by David Ben-Gurion. In 2015, AWIS merged with another organization now called the Association for Israel's soldiers. And so, Douglas Murray wrote to him about how, happy he was about how well the fundraiser had gone, how much money that they had been able to raise for the Israeli military. Now, Murray has never made a secret of his support for Israel. But I don't think he's ever mentioned that he, that is up to and including writing speeches and raising money for the military. We can get into Pam LaGrosse in a moment and Seth Bandel.

But what was your reaction as you were reading through some of this stuff? And do we have the, have you been? Have you been to the crossing points? No. When were you not there at all? I've never been. You've never been. Am I not allowed to talk about it now?

You've never been. You know, these are people who are critical. a lot of media ethics when it comes to coverage of Israel. And that's what I think is particularly frustrating to me. This is a fairly easy thing to disclose. And actually, if you were... I don't know how that would be. But if you're honest about it, people...

In the profile? Well, in the profile, yeah, is another question. But people know that you're completely... Like he wrote that profile. That wasn't just an idea. Like, he wrote and published a glowing profile. I have it up on my browser right now. I've checked way back machine.

and the archive, there's absolutely no disclosure in it, not even now. So to do that, if you're David from and not disclosed, that you helped with this speech is completely bananas. And for both of them, they are openly massive supporters of Israel. That's like to go further as somebody who's in the media and actually work on a draft of a government speech and not disclose it. and then ever lecture anybody else about journalistic ethics and coverage of Israel is, I just think that is tough to, that's, is that, is that, none of this is surprising,

it's just a tough pill to swallow. And I would imagine the Atlantic, though it's, it's edited by former IDF soldier right now. Right, well, Jeffrey Goldberg. Prison guard. Prison guard, yeah. So, right, who we called Goldberg, left a voicemail, a text message. He did not get back. Nobody gave you a comment on this.

From referred questions to the Atlantic's PR department, which has not gotten back to us. Adam Johnson pointed out on Twitter that the same day, or maybe it was a week later. Oh, no, it was the same day. A week before this, From had accused the New York Times of putting a fake photo of bloodied Palestinians on their news coverage of the Gaza war. A week later, the same day that he was writing the Israeli ambassador, sending him a draft of the speech, he apologized. These images do appear authentic, he said, and I should not have cast doubt on them. I apologize especially to Sergei Panamara of the New York Times, whose work I am puned. So he apologized to the photographer, not to these bloodied subjects of the photograph, who's suffering he called in a doubt.

But still from, this is the New York Times, still from defend his initial skepticism, arguing that, quote, there was a long history in the Middle East of the use of faked or misattributed photographs as tools of propaganda using that old line of, isn't it interesting that I got fooled by this? Do you want to do the Pamela Gross ones, too, or anything else you want to add to that before we go to Mandel? And Mandel, he's a hardcore supporter. I was like, okay. Yeah, again. Finding Mandel in the proser's emails was not very surprising. I don't think any of it's particularly, like, shocking, but it is, I guess, surprising just from the perspective that, again, like, as an opinion journalist, their opinion journalist, they don't pretend to be, like, sort of shula the reporters who are just, although sometimes I think the rhetoric goes in that direction, because Murray famously was lecturing Dave Smith for not going to Israel, which was a question of ethics. He was saying, as somebody who talks about

this, kind of implying that Smith was acting in the capacity of a journalist or a media person, then you should go to the place that you're talking about. So as opinion journalists, I feel like it's really, and I don't know if you've dealt with this before, but it's like a really, it's easy to be like, well, I'm open about what I think about this. So, oh, of course I can take this money and do this thing. But, like, I learned from Tim Carney when I was young. He has like a full disclosure on medium every year of places that he takes money from. I do the same thing. If it's like a conservative group that you give a speech for. Helping the government, that's one thing. And most people don't even disclose that, even though I think they should. But that's one thing. Helping the fucking

government of another country? That's who you're covering. Holy shit. Yeah, you can't do that. That is like even that, even by the standards of like where journalism and opinion journalism, that is surprising. Yes. And everybody has seen the Douglas Murray clip in his debate with Dave Smith on Joe Rogan, where he says, you haven't been talking about the crossings. This puts that whole thing in a whole new light. Because Douglas Murray then says, I have a journalistic rule that I do not talk about a place, even in passing, unless I have visited it. That's his journalistic rule. A much more basic journalistic rule is that you avoid conflicts of interest and that if some exist, you disclose them. So when Murray is talking about having

bean to these crossings, he went with the IDF. He put on a jacket that said press, which suggests that you are then baked in the ethics of that craft, which means that you are objective and independent. If the IDF wants to send an IDF spokesperson to the crossing, they can do that. He also had himself photographed in the chair where Yaya Sinwar was killed, wearing his press jacket. He did not disclose that he had raised money for the IDF, and that he had written speeches, and that's just what we know about. This is activism, by the way. Like raising money for the IDF is you're an activist on behalf of the cause and then helping the government. I mean, that actually, even if it's volunteer, makes you sort of an agent of the government. Right. So I would

say you don't actually get to claim that you, uh, journalistically followed a journalistic rule. Right. That, that's not journalism. Right. That, that is a thing that you're doing. it is collaboration with the Israeli government. Like, if you are drafting speeches for the ambassador, raising money for them, and then getting, you know, taken on escorted trips to the crossings, you don't get to then denounce somebody else who hasn't done the same thing. Like, he was trying to say that he is a superior journalist and his opinions should be taken more seriously because he had been to this crossing.

But now we know the full context, of what brought him to that crossing secretly doing work for the government and then going escorted by the government just because you put on a flackjacket that says press doesn't make you press right so yes was his he was he physically there yes should we credit anything that he says no right uh we put up f6 so pamela gross uh is an interesting character uh she's no longer with cnn but she was a CNN book or producer, and also, let's do our disclosure here, married to Jimmy Finkelstein, who used to be the owner of the Hill, and the Hill owned Rising while Emily and I were co-hosts on Rising. So Jimmy was, we weren't getting paycheck because we were independent contractors,

but he was signing our checks. He was trying to hire us, too. Trying to hire us. And then he sold the thing before that even. happened one way or the other. And so, Pamela Gross, so dear ambassador, so wonderful to see you this 4th of July. Thank you for joining us. Clearly, Iron Dome is doing the trick in saving lives. Please, dear friend, let's get it finished.

So she then enters into this long conversation, and we can put up F7 as well with Ron Prozer about how she's going to raise money for the Iron Dome. He writes, dear Pamela, thank you and Jimmy for a magical evening. You both are the perfect hosts. You and Jimmy are true assets

to the state of Israel, which, if you're a journalist, whether you're Israeli or American, in Israeli journalists would not want to hear that from an Israeli ambassador. You do not want to be told as a journalist. no that you were a quote true asset to the state of Israel you really don't you that's not what you want to hear you no no I'm I'm an objective journalist here so it's okay so maybe she's

just Jimmy Finkelstein's wife and like some fake job at CNN no not not at all in the emails go read the full story if you want all of Pamela's like crazy emails back and forth with with Ron Prozer here. But F-10, this is an email where she is reaching out to book him, which is her job, on CNN. Makes it easier, actually. To discuss. Right. Yeah. I mean, hey, I'm raising money for your military. Yeah. Come on the show. Come on the show. It's just, it's too much. It, and it's one of these stories to me that manages to both, be utterly shocking and deeply unsurprising at the exact same time. Like, it really is in a sweet spot of hitting both of those. Right. Emotions. Right. Like, I'm still, I'm shocked at this and yet

utterly unsurprised. Yeah. It's shocking and not shocking simultaneously. Yeah. I mean, again. Maybe in post we'll put a little have you been clip. You've never been. this is like this is the one of the biggest problems in journalism right now like you are free it's most journalists cannot truly shelve their opinions I know like a few who genuinely can do it maybe they don't have maybe they're just like politically ambivalent they definitely don't care one direction or the other it's just so few people that can actually do that and yet most journalists still pretend that that's what they're doing and even if you're in the opinion side like from and murray fine um but

actually acting or gross who I guess she wasn't on the opinion said she was just doing booking for CNN but you know that is it's just so obviously over the line like so obviously over the line and the audacity then to criticize other people's journalistic ethics um tells you kind of tells you a lot yeah truly incredible um that's why i like this show like we've got our opinions i think my opinions are facts yes i think they're correct uh but you know what my you know where i'm I am, but I'm not writing speeches for anybody. No. Also, where do these guys get the time?

Seriously. My first person said, no, I don't have time to write your speech. You write a speech, don't you have in a whole office? Why we're from and Murray both drafting the same speech? I don't understand that. Were they having them compete against each other? Was he just seeking everyone's advice? Yeah.

So one thing that politicians do, and they do this a lot with donors, but they'll do it too with journalists, is pretend that they're interested. interested in their ideas, like, what do you think, you know, the effect of the economy is going to be on the midterms? And then the journalist or the donor or whoever they're talking to feels, like, valued. Like, the thing that they're saying, wow, I'm speaking to this power for pros and so it changes the power dynamic. Totally. So you can imagine this is just on steroids. Yeah. Yep. Where pros are like, you guys are just such brilliant wordsmiths. could you draft some speeches for me?

But that's when it really crosses the line. And then they both should have been like, well, no, of course I can't do that. Unless I'm open about it. I'm happy to have a dinner with you and we can talk about how awful Hamas is and how the world is all against Israel. Yeah.

But I'm not going to draft a speech for you. Like, that's crossing lines that even I'm not willing to do. Well, at the very least, I mean, so again, like you shouldn't do it, period. If you're going to do it, you should then tell your audience and your readers that you did it.

Yeah, and then let people. people say, okay, you know what? This guy wrote speeches for the ambassador that he's now profiling, but I know that he's supportive of Israel. And so I already knew that anyway, so I'm going to read the profile anyway. And yeah, then you've got the full knowledge of it. It would have been even funnier if he was like, the main thing people say about Prozer is his rhetorical flair and his speech-making ability is unparalleled, almost reminiscent of some of George W. Bush's best speeches. Positively, Frumian. People call him Frumian. Yeah, many people are saying. Oh, goodness. All right, Ryan, amazing, amazing reporting there. Now, we should mention before we wrap for the day that

Donald Trump has, since we started taping, I actually put out a truth social post calling for Brandon Johnson and Governor J.B. Pritzker, two Democrats, obviously in Illinois, to quote, be in jail for failing to protect ICE officers. As a guy on a bar stool, that's one thing. As the President of the United States, that is a very different thing. This is the man with the powers of law enforcement saying that Brandon Johnson and J.B. Pritzker should be in jail for, quote, failing to protect ICE officers. So also, can we poke at the logic train that for a minute. According to Trump, Chicago police are incapable of protecting the citizens of Chicago, which necessitates sending in the National Guard all these federal agents. So now Trump wants

them to protect the citizens of Chicago and also all these helpless federal agents that he's throwing into Chicago. Isn't the whole purpose of sending in the feds that they're going to protect the Chicago police who he said or just, you know, can't handle it. Also, ICE has been out here like making a bunch of basically prank calls to 911. Have you seen this reporting? No, not yet. That they keep calling 911 saying, somebody's scaling this fence, somebody's doing this and that. And then they look at body cam footage.

And the same with the woman that they arrested and accused of ramming them. Turn out it was the other way around. Like, ICE keeps making stuff up. And so I think at some level, the Chicago police are, like, fed up with these clowns. Well, also worth noting the politics of this, Donald Trump is transforming J.B. Pritzker, of all people, into a resistance hero, the more he talks about it like this. The more that he talks about the situation like this, he's giving J.B. Pritzker. Maybe he's actually trying to do it because he understands that J.B. Pritzker is a poor resistance hero for Dems. I don't think it's that 4D. Chats. I think he's just is saying things like J.B. Pritzker should be in jail. I don't, I can't fathom what the, even like what the charge that they cook up would look like in this case, failing to protect ICE as governor and as mayor. I don't even know what that would potentially be. I can't think of it. Maybe we'll ask GROC, but, yeah, well, that's the thing.

I will block you if you do that. This is a warning to everybody following me. If you, if you ask dumb questions to GROC. Ask stupid questions to GROC underneath my posts. you blocked. You're blocked. You're blocked. Well, that happened while we were taping. Trump called for them to be imprisoned.

So I'm sure Sagar and Crystal will have more on the story tomorrow, but we wanted to make sure to bring everyone that news as soon as we could because, boy, is it wild. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for supporting us over at breaking points.com. Also, if you can't get a premium sub

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If she won, if she beat Susan Collins, she'd be a 79-year-old freshman senator. Good Lord. Democrats have maybe finally cracked the code. Maybe we'll cover Katie Porter on Friday, too. The senators were too young when they were getting sworn in with the Democrats included. Inexperienced. Yeah. All right. We'll see you everyone on Friday.

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