Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 10/9/25: Trump Threatens Pritzker Arrest, Palisades Fire Arsonist, Gold Prices Rise, AIPAC QR Codes

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

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Let's go ahead and take a listen to J.B. Pritzker's response. I want to hear what you have to say back to the President of the United States. Well, let's start with the idea that this is a convicted felon. I mean, think about that, who is threatening to jail me. I got to say, this guy's unhinged. He's insecure. He's a wannabe dictator. And there's one thing I really want to say to Donald Trump. If you come from my people, you come through me. So come and get me. Come and get me. So Pritzker trying to take a page, I think, out of the Gavin Newsom playbook of, hey, I'm going to stand up to you. I'm not going to buckle in the face of what you're trying to do to the city of Chicago,

certainly Chicago residents and many others in Illinois and many across the country, frankly, stand with him on that. There's also a, what appears to be a pretty significant decision yesterday coming out of a federal court in Chicago. I'm going to do my best to explain this. I spent a lot of time yesterday digging into the significance of this and what it's going to mean. Let's go ahead and put this element up on the screen.

So a federal judge in Chicago has found that ICE has, has repeatedly violated a consent decree that applies to Chicago and a number of adjacent regions over warrantless arrests. Okay. So going back a number of years, there was a finding that it appeared ICE was violating immigrants' rights in and around Chicago. And so the government entered into this consent decree to make sure there were increased reporting requirements to make sure that they are meeting their requirements of using warrants when required in order to arrest immigrants who are expected of being in the country illegally. So the lawyers for the plaintiffs here came in and said, look, it does not look like you're complying with this whatsoever. And this judge

agreed. So what is the legal landscape? Basically, in the wake of the Supreme Court saying that you can do these like racial profiling, Kavanaugh stops that we've been talking about, you're allowed to briefly question someone based on basically just like their appearance, the fact they're in an area where there's a lot of undocumented immigrants, where they're working, whatever. You're allowed to briefly question them. But if you want to actually arrest them, you have to have some sort of a warrant. And you have to prove that not only do you have probable suspicion that they are in the country illegally, but also that you suspect that they would be a flight risk. This has to be documented.

So as we've seen in Chicago in any number of cases, you know, they actually carry around these blank warrants in their pocket. This was something the judge took great issue with, that it was like if they're in the process of apprehending someone else and there happens to be what they call collateral arrests that are made, they'll just pull out one of these blank warrants, fill it out, and use that as their warrant. In other instances, they didn't use warrants whatsoever. So the judge found that in these instances specifically that were brought to their attention,

I think there were 22 different cases, including some that were noted in the news previously, that they violated that consent decree, they violated their rights, that those individuals have to be released, and they're also asking for more information about other instances in which this occurred. So most directly, this applies to Chicago and the surrounding areas that were subject to this consent decree. But the consent decree also required some had some stipulations with regard to national enforcement as well. So it is a significant development. We'll see what the enforcement looks like. We'll see whether ICE complies with it. We'll see if they change the way that they

conduct themselves going forward. But Sagar, one of the major incidents that they cited in this lawsuit and in this finding was that apartment raid where people, they just went in with no warrants and pulled people out in their apartments, whether they were citizens, not citizens, Yeah, I was curious, and since you've done the research, I read that Block Chicago article. What I don't understand is how a consent degree can be confined only to an area for national law enforcement. That's why I was like, isn't it a national standard for warrants or for, like, how, why do you have to conduct yourself differently in the city of Chicago than, let's say, the state of California or the state of Illinois? Like how, it just didn't click for me. Yeah.

That's what I was trying to understand. I don't know. Yeah, okay. All right, good. That's why I've asked CHAPT, even they are like, well, there was a consent degree in the past. And there's 2022. It was under the Biden administration. Technically, they don't have to apply or they can comply, but they can appeal.

There's a supremacy argument here about, hey, like, you can't restrict like federal law enforcement action in one particular area because it should be a national standard is governed by federal court. So that's why I was like, what? Well, and the national standard is, as I described, the Kavanaugh stop is not a justification for Iraq. Yes, that's right. It's a brief detention or is it. Detention for, what is it, a reasonable period of time? It's not even detention. It's supposed to be like you can approach someone on the street and question them about their immigration status. Now, ICE has been stretching that in all sorts of ways. And even what constitute arrest is something that has to be sort of litigate that there's, you know, Supreme Court precedent about, et cetera. And the idea is that a reasonable person would think that you were not able to freely leave is the definition of what constitutes an arrest, something like that, is basically the language. What I read is that basically the consent decree allowed ICE to, you know, agree to these changes but didn't admit liability. It applies to arrest in the seven-county Chicago metro area but includes nationwide policy changes for ICE's warrantless arrest practices. So that's why, you know, it's enforced in Chicago.

It has the most bearing on what's going on in Chicago right now, but also does implicate national policy and could act as some sort of of a constraint. Again, we've seen, though, the way that some of these, first of all, some of these decisions end up getting overturned on appeal or the initial temporary restraining order, those sorts of things get rolled back on appeal. Second of all, you know, we've seen the way that this government has found sneaky ways to avoid complying with, you know, these sorts of decisions. So we'll see if it changes their behavior, but it's the most significant lawsuit to date that could constrain the way that they operate where they just roll into an apartment building, for example, with Blackhawk military helicopters and pull

everybody up or go to a park and see a family that's there. That's one of the instances that was involved in this case as well and just decide to arrest the mom, dad, and five-year-old daughter who happened to be there. So they wouldn't be able to do that without being able to show not only do we think you're undocumented, but we think you're a flight risk before this could be adjudicated. Okay. Yeah, I'm curious to see how it goes on appeal. I've just, I Again, I don't quite understand. Are you saying, or based on your research, do you think it could go federal? Like it would apply everywhere?

Yeah, I think it could. I mean, the standards should apply everywhere. What they're, the standards I just laid out are the, you know, the national law. With regard to Chicago, I think they had some additional reporting requirements and additional burdens to, you know, ensure that they were complying with what the law is, is basically my understanding. I still am just unclear because I don't really understand how. I don't understand how it can be practiced in one place from the Supreme Court and then not in Chicago. I apologize. It's just so confusing.

The overlap is confusing. So in Chicago, even in the face of this decision, they can still do the Kavanaugh stops. Yes. The question is not about that. It's about when you take it to the next step and you actually arrest and detain someone. And again, this is law that applies across the land. And in Chicago, I think because of the consent decree, they had some sort of additional tools to be able to get this particular decision.

But it should apply more broadly. And even in the consent decree, yes, they had some specific Chicago steps, but it also implicated nationwide ICE policy changes to make sure that immigrants' rights are being preserved. That's my understanding. I know it's tedious, but I think, as you said, we did the research because you said it was the most significant one to date, so we'll continue to track it. Should we update everyone on Meal Team 6? Go ahead, Zogger.

No, no, this is yours. Oh, this is me? Okay, all right. Well, you made the TikTok. You're the Star. I did, I did make a TikTok. I was inspired to do my most TikTok-y TikTok yet about this particular development. So Texas National Guard has now been deployed into Chicago, which is very scary that you have now

red state soldiers being deployed in Blue State, seems to be courting, dangerous escalation, et cetera. However, however, it's a little bit hard. to take the fascist threat seriously when this is what the fascist threat looks like. Let's put this up on the screen. Many, many comments were made. They're being called Meal Team 6. They're being called the Gravy Seals. I've heard people say that they're arriving for Operation Desert Storm,

among other discussions of maybe you need to make sure to protect that deep-dished pizza in Chicago. Or those dipped subs, whatever those are. For those who are just listening, there's some big boys here. In particular, the two gentlemen in the front, but they're all pretty, they're, they're, they're hefty. They're all, like a typical American, I guess. No disrespect. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Typical Texan, in particular, Texas has some big boys down there.

Sedative. Yeah, I mean, this kind of gets to our discussion in the last show. And I was like, look, I get it. I know, you know, we can rhetorically say a lot of things. We are talking about 200 National Guardsmen. I'm not saying it's not extraordinary to deploy. And also, when the image is something like this comes out, or it recalls the military parade where people can't even march out of step, so let's also live a little bit in terms of

where we are. Even our fascism is so embarrassing at this point. This is to my point humiliating. This is what it looks like. There's just like there's a difference, right? You can say something like that as opposed to, quote, fascism, but whatever. My only general point around this is let's all, you know, be a little clear about what's actually happening with the deployment of the Texas National Guardsmen. It is also pretty ironic. the wake of Mr. Hegeseth, Pete Hegseth's secretary, lecturing the generals, which I think is fine about being fat. But it's like, guys, you know, then at the same time, you can't be talking about what do they say are elite national guardsmen? And then this is what the book looks like

is. It's not a good look. It's not a good look. Greg Abbott put on a tweet, Texas governor saying, like, our elite Texas national guardsmen are going to be on the ground at any moment. I will say, look, it is very representative of the Trump Coalition of the state of Texas as well is, you know, is a lot of lower income, statistically, most likely to be morbidly obese and Hispanic. So that is the new coalition here. It reminds me of some of the Spider-Man memes that came out of Los Angeles where it was like some guy named Ramirez, who was the National Guardsman pointing at the cop named Ramirez, pointing at the illegal, also named Ramirez. And the three of them are like this. So that is America in a certain sense. Well, I will make the point that

Ken Clippenstein has been making, which is, look, I think that when you are normalizing military on our streets, I think that's a scary thing. And especially when you are taking red states and, you know, invading blue states and this is, you are playing with fire here. I will also say, the National Guard has been and is legally limited in what they are able to do. Especially under the current deployment. Posse Comitatis Act does apply. As long as this is, you know, so far we haven't had the Insurrection Act, you know, implemented or whatever by Trump. So you don't have, under that, the laws and what they could do would be different. So that's worth keeping in mind as well.

But they are someone limited, which is why, you know, here in D.C., there's a lot of them, like, standing around. I don't see them anymore. I haven't seen nearly as many anymore. Yeah. I haven't seen many. I hear they're all just down by the national mall. Really? They're just, like, chilling by the national mall.

And they did a lot of, like, trash pickup. I know. I feel bad for them. Because a lot of them, they left work, you know, they got called up. I mean, this is, and that's the other thing is, like, 12 hours a day, you have to deal with these idiot tourists and the homeless. I have very little sympathy for the Texas big boys that we just showed you because usually my understanding is that they will, for a mission like this,

they'll ask people to volunteer. So like these dudes probably signed up to do this. So I've known. Yeah, but they may have signed up for the money, right? Because, see, can we really hate? Maybe, but still, it's still a choice. You're still making a choice here. But, you know, for like you, the guys that they're calling up in California,

they're part of the California National Guard. Yeah, you're taking, these are people who have, this is a part-time gig, supposed to be on the weekends, they're being taken away from whatever their normal life is and their family and their normal job, et cetera, to be sent in to do what, stand around and, you know, assist ICE,

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There was a big roundtable, big Antifa round. table yesterday where many interesting things were said, including Trump saying that he is, you know, that they're ending free speech. So let's go ahead and take a listen to some of what was said at that event. Fighting crime is more than just getting the bad guy off the streets. It's breaking down the organization brick by brick. Just like we did with cartels, we're going to take the same approach, President Trump with Antifa, destroy the entire organization from top to bottom. A flag burning mob, and we've made it one-year penalty for inciting riots. We took the freedom of speech away because that's been through the courts, and the court said,

you have freedom of speech. One of the individuals we arrested recently in Portland was the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa and that we are hoping that as we go after her, interview her and prosecute her, we will get more and more information about the network and how we can root them out and eliminate them from the existence of American society. So I think that was a perfect mashup saga to show the tension between the clownishness and the threat of the Trump administration. You start with Pam Bondi saying that we're going to treat Antifa like the cartels. Well, what are they doing in the cartels right now? They're randomly blowing up boats that they claim are drug traffickers. By the way, the President

of Columbia just came out and said, hey, one of those boats you blew up that wasn't even Venezuelas. That was Colombian nationals. So in any case, you know, that that combined with reporting from 10 about the national security memo, about the way that they are targeting anyone who was left of center at all as political opposition, there was mention made in this meeting as well as DSA, Democratic Socialists of America, this is like, you know, Zoron and a bunch of tens of thousands of people nationwide are members of the DSA, that they are deeply linked to Antifa. So painting them like this is some sort of a terror network, et cetera, very dangerous stuff. And backed by federal government that can and has already acted on some of this.

And then you have, you know, at the end there, Christy Noam talking about how they arrested one of the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa, which is just like not even. a thing, completely buffoonish stuff. And in the middle, you've got Trump saying, quote, unquote, we took the freedom of speech away. So you kind of got it all in that little mashup. Yeah, look, I think that's generally well said. It's be clowning, as I might famously often say here on the show. And that is part of what I always wish to contextualize. And I don't, look, if I don't blame a lot of people for freaking out, like if the president says I'm going to target you, yeah, you should be worried. Like at the end of the day, the government, they can

make your life hell, and they have made some people's life help. In general, though, there's no Antifa, whatever, or any of that that has been extraordinary or some deployment so far of some NSPM 7, which Ken has talked about. From what I know, there is no quote founder of Antifa. I welcome their release of any information on that and for proof that it is some organized terror network or whatever. But this just gets back to all of the endless discussion post Charlie Kirk. Antifa, at least from my observation, doesn't seem to be some tough. down organized force. It's mostly like gaming liberals or whatever on telegram or WhatsApp who are like, hey, we're all going to come out and throw some shit on Thursday. I don't really

know how organized that is per se. I guess there's some level of organization. But it's not, I guess, you know, some Al-Qaeda type cell that they're necessarily describing. I mean, look, if you are organizing genuine violence, that actually is a crime. But that's a little bit different than the way that they're talking about it here. Look, they're posturing and trying. There is so much demand from a lot of the right wing after the Charlie Kirk assassination to say, we need to treat this like an organized attempt.

There is yet to be any evidence that that is the case, at least for Tyler Robinson. By the way, it's been almost, what, three weeks? We have gotten zero up there on the case of Tyler Robinson. Yeah, exactly. They really should come out and release some more information on that. And if there was an organization, it's totally legitimate to say. But that's largely what they are responding to with this roundtable, I guess, of Antifa experts.

Well, should we show everybody the Army of Antifa that Christy Noem was facing down in Chicago, put C-5 up on the screen? So, influencer Benny Johnson went and said, Christy Noam stares down an Army of Antifa and a guy in a chicken suit from the rooftop of the ice facility here. That's the Army of Antifa. Mostly, if you look closely, I think there are more people like journalists with cameras than there are. I can't tell on that second image. But in the first image, you could definitely see if. A handful of people there and a guy in a chicken suit. That's who they're calling an Army of Antifa.

By the way, news just came out that prior to Trump's attempt to federalize the National Guard and send them into Portland, a federal report came out, like within the Trump administration, calling the Portland, anti-ice protests outside of that building, quote-unquote, low energy. So even their own internal documents said that there's not a lot going on here, which is why the federal district judge appointed by Trump in Portland said, you do not have justification here to send in the National Guard. So that's worth having that context, given everything that they're doing and justifying by, you know, these army of Antifa rhetoric and war-ravaged Portland, etc.

This was also something we've been tracking C6 up on the screen. So this couple had been arrested in Chicago as, you know, assaulting law enforcement there. And this couple had been held up, you know, in a lot of instances by the government as, you know, examples of the type of violence that law enforcement is facing from protesters and activists on the ground. You now have a grand jury that declined to indict both of those Chicago area ICE protesters. reminiscent of the situation here with the sandwich guy who threw a sandwich at, I don't know, a cop or FBI or somebody who was here in D.C. And grand jury also said, no, we're not going to indict this guy. This is extraordinarily unusual. Usually prosecutors, they always get their indictments. And I've forgotten the numbers, but Washington posted an analysis, and it's the

tiniest proportion. Oh, yeah. We've put, remember, there's the famous thing you can get it at Grand Jury, indicted ham sandwich, famously sandwich guy was not indicted. How some of the details, kind of interesting. It says that Collins and Robdello were in a crowd of protesters September 27th at a facility in Broadview, Illinois. In an affidavit, authorities alleged that he had, quote, pushed back agents who were trying to push back the crowd, and agents detained her after seeing a gun at her waist. Collins, who saw the struggle charged forward yelling an agent to get away from his wife, and the thumb of an agent was injured in the scuffle according to the affidavit. They said in an interview that she was coming to his

partner's aid after agents grabbed her and threw her against the wall. Both defendants were legally carrying guns but did not use or brandish them. And they said it was notable that the grand jury likely had members on both sides of the political divide and still decided not to indict. So that's just the circumstance here. I guess the gun being one. Yeah. Well, hey, 2A, you know? It's good for the 2A. You're allowed. Good for our 2A community. And Chicago is obviously liberal. It's not as liberal as D.C. So to have a grand jury, Chicago area grand jury say, no, we're not going to indict these two individuals. Definitely significant. People have also been taking a look at this. Let's put C-7 up on the screen,

this images of a pastor who's just standing there doing really nothing and gets shot in the head with this, I guess, like a pepper ball. You can see the white smoke come up and then he drops to the ground. I don't know if this is the same guy or a different religious figure who's getting sprayed in the face with pepper spray. Another image that went viral. Tricia McLaughlin, DHS spokesperson, addressed that video that we showed you first. You can put this up on the screen. She says that footage is from almost a month ago. It just went viral now, but apparently happened a month ago. What this clip video doesn't show is that these agitators were blocking ICE vehicle from leaving the federal facility impeding operations over and over again. Law enforcement ordered these

agitators to move up federal property so the vehicle could move. Law enforcement verbally warned them. They would use force if they did not move and stop impeding operations. They did not comply shortly after rioters began throwing rocks, bottles, and launching fireworks. the law enforcement officers on the roof. So TLDR is not denying that it happened. There is a longer version of the video that I've seen. It does not appear that this pastor was, he was actually standing a parking space, so he wasn't blocking anyone from entering or exiting the ICE facility. But there's a separate lawsuit going on concerning their use, they're sort of like indiscriminate use of these pepper balls and pepper spray on crowds. CPD, Chicago Police Department was

accidentally pepper sprayed, you had an elementary school that had to stay inside because of pepper spray, you know, sort of indiscriminately just deployed in the neighborhood. So this is becoming quite a contentious piece as well. It's a bad image. I mean, there's, you know, anytime you start pepper spraying priests or, it's not priests, sorry, pastors or any of that, doesn't look good, not going to deny it whatsoever. It's one of those, which is the more that the left gets their civil rights analogies, the more it's going to be able to take off. And this is part of the reason why there's a lot of people who don't want on the right who want to criticize some of the way that ICE behaves. But I keep bringing it back to the fact that people

who voted in 2024 wanted law and order specifically, order specifically, ought the border. And when deportation, the envisionment of, quote, mass deportation was not necessarily one of which we are viewing right now. This is Trumpian and unique in a sense that genuinely is divorced from a lot of people's conceptions. You could say they should have known, et cetera. I actually, I really don't agree with that actually at all. Because if you look specifically, not only the rhetoric around criminals, illegals, et cetera, or even around the idea of deportation itself, it is one thing to say that it should happen in a serious and a well-ordered fashion. And then it's another kind of in this content brain area that we have arrived at today. And I think

that's the part where a lot of people rightfully will look at that and just be like, look, look, I can agree intellectually, emotionally, morally with the idea of mass deportation, which I do, especially for people who arrived here illegally. I also do think there is something very grotesque about turning it into content as in what they did with the Fiavon clip. We have this one as well, C-10. Can we show everybody, for example? So here you have a video right where you got ICE chasing some guys into a storefront.

But what's noteworthy is the guy in the background with a full mounted, you know, what is that? Like that's like a DSLR camera, right? Like this literally looks like almost like a rig of a Twitch streamer or something who is accompanied them. Now, listen, I am very supportive of body cam footage and all that. I think it's very important to, you know, to keep cops accountable. And I'm assuming some of this will be available to FOIA, eventually at least sometime in the future. So it's not a bad thing for them to be documenting what they are doing. But considering the social media strategy that is now currently happening, I don't know.

I mean, I don't think it is working in their favor. Look, I could be wrong. And this is what I hear of like, you're a squish, you're an idiot. You know, you're not doing, you don't understand, you know, what it takes and all that. I said, maybe, maybe. I'm not the person who won the election or anything like that. But I don't necessarily think that even people who agree with genuine, look, I mean, there's quandaries, right? Like you can, you can accept the fact that people who came here illegally,

are going to be deported, and you can be okay with that. There is just, to me, another thing about filming it and turning it into, like, video game-style content. Or remember the memes, like the studio Ghibli memes and others that they were using from chat? I go, okay, I just think that's a little bit gross, in my opinion, personally. Yeah.

That's just me. The ASMR-D deportation videos. That's like, is that really, you know, it's just weird. It's just weird. Like, it's one of those where do we revel, do we enjoy? doing this, because the way it was sold, it's like, look, it's a tragedy. This is one that the left created. I think that's correct. And yet, you know, to seriously address it, we'll take this, this, this, and this. That doesn't deny that you have journalists or others people

who are going to be filming this. But it just seems to me very different to have you filming it yourself, turning it into meme. Like, the Theo Vaughn thing, to me, is just, like, so insane. Like, they used his likeness and image in a DHS video where what did he say exactly. He was like, bye or something. He didn't even know what he was saying. Somebody thrust a camera or whatever into his face. They turned it into something from the official Department of Homeland Security account. And then in his response, he was like, yo, you guys are just using this. He's like, somebody could come and kill me. He was like, I don't even know the ring password to my camera or something. He had never considered that, right? I really, that's where things really seem to

go in a bad direction. Strategically. Like, if you accept, and I do accept that these guys, the Diovans, et cetera, were an important part, not determinative, but an important part of why they won. And then how tone death to go out of your way to like piss this person off. You know, and I feel like as a human, you would then be sort of like incentivized to distance yourself. Like, I have nothing to do. Like, this is not, you know, this is not something I support. I think his dad immigrated from Nicaragua is somebody he's very proud of, you know. And so he's, I don't want to be associated with this. And so it is, a little bit of like the IDF soldiers filming their war crimes because the reason they did that

was not, it was because there was a domestic audience for it. Like inside of Israel, these guys were getting praised and getting support for, you know, these horrors that they're putting out there. And, you know, now I was seeing some stat saga that Twitter, which used to be dominated by Democrats, now dominated by Republicans, not that that would be any surprise. But I do think that some of this is a result of being inside of this media bubble where you think that this, you know, this like based ritual or the

vice signaling or whatever, that this lands with the general population in a way that it really doesn't. So you've got that dynamic. The dynamic you were touching on before too, I think, is a really important one, which you are absolutely right. People want things to feel safe, calm, orderly.

Like they do want that law and order sense. There's no doubt about it. And so what the Trump administration is flirting with here, if not has already crossed the threshold, is to make it appear very much like they are the chaos agents. Like, they are the ones bringing tumult into your communities. If you look at, you know, if you look at Chicago, if you look, I think in Portland it's even more clear.

Crime rate was way down. These protests had really died out. There were, you know, maybe a dozen or so people who were routinely outside of the ice facility, et cetera. Now you have all of this tumult after the Trump administration comes in and tries to sort of like stoke the flames. So when you combine that with also the increasing understanding that these actions are not just impacting undocumented immigrants, they're impacting American citizens as well whose rights are being directly violated, you start to get on the wrong side of a political equation. As I told you before, my fear is that they don't really care.

You feel like they just have miscalculated here. Either I acknowledge is completely possible. But, you know, I don't think that these, what do I know? But I don't think that most people, even people who are in favor of a larger scale deportation than I am, are enjoying the images of, like, little kids zip tied to. I have no idea. Okay. I have no idea. And I can't speak to everybody's motivation.

Only, you know, general political analysis. To the law and order point, this is one which is very important. And we kind of thought about one of the reasons why I don't think there was as much backlash on L.A. is you had guys in the Mexican flags on top of burning cars. And guess what? That's going to go viral. everywhere. In terms of Portland or Chicago have not yet seen that type of imagery or large scale blocking a highway in major response, similar to the Antifa for the BLM protests of 2017 all the way

through 2020, which Portland in particular was like an epicenter for quite a bit of that. And also, I mean, one of the things I personally have had to grapple with is that people who live in some of these cities just accept a shitload more crime than I ever would. I will never understand it. I don't know why it's cool to have fentanyl leaning people everywhere, but that seems to be the acceptance that a lot of them want and they would rather have that than somebody actually do anything about it or feel virtuous. I guess, you know, it's your city. You can do what you want, but that is another kind of locality where you're rubbing up against. Like here in D.C., I mean, I think the crime was out of control. I think it was absolutely out of control. Some new statistics

just came out actually showing that the cops were cooking the books. It's not a secret. I've lived here for over 10 years. It's a shithole compared to how it used to be. But residents were broadly seemed okay with it. I was like, okay, I don't know. That's why I left. I was like, you know, at a certain point, you'd rather have a Black Trin's Lives Matter flag than you would do anything about crime. That's your decision. And to allow murder, I'm just going to leave and allow exit. But that is another thing I've been grappling with as well is there is something perverse at the same time, and we have to be guilty of this, right, is we're commenting on Portland. I don't live in Portland, right? In a certain sense, I believe in supremacy. I believe

even having to guarantee people's rights. I also, though, acknowledge the city of Portland is massively liberal. They literally legalized drugs there. I mean, they finally admitted their mistake in the state of Oregon. But I visited Portland at the height of it, like, I think, 22. It was insane. It's probably the most, like, hippie-ish city. Yeah, no, but I'm talking about prime.

Like, at night, literal, like, rogue fentanyl addicts, like, running around, trying to check into a hotel. you have to get buzzed into the hotel. Like, you cannot get in it. I'm talking in the middle of downtown. People there just didn't seem to care. I was like, wow, I could never live this way. I think, I mean, we should also say that this National Guard attempting to have National Guard deployment in Portland and the increased presence of federal agents and whatever.

Like, Trump is not saying this is about crime. He's saying this is about protecting federal officer, protecting this ice building, et cetera. Well, it depends on the day. But that's been the primary justification that he's been, and that is completely and totally fabricated. Like, by their own admission, their own internal report said that the protests outside the ICE facility were low energy before they decided to show him, put snipers on the roof and all of this nonsense. So I don't like to, you know, we shouldn't validate their narrative about what's going on because their narrative is completely and utterly false. We got to, you know, it's not nice. Like, listen, I love Portland as a place.

cool, it's amazing weather in the summer. It is genuinely beautiful. But they do just, again, I don't get it. Seattle, Vancouver, any of these, like, Pacific Northwest places, they just accept, like, a level of drug use in public, which I think is crazy. I have no idea why people put up with it or any of that. And then, of course, what the Trump administration, even the federal government wants is people like me or others who don't live there who are like, I can't believe this, right? And then they kind of interacts with the national dart deployment, etc. I do think that there is something weird about it, like in general, where we pass judgment. And I do, certainly, I just said it about Portland, about San Francisco, about Los Angeles. I think all are

crazy here, D.C., Chicago, all these other folks. I don't know. I would not personally live there, given the choice. But at the same time, there is something weird, which I do acknowledge, because I'm sure that they look at our life, say, wherever we live, and they're like, well, I wouldn't want to live there either. And it's like, well, I don't necessarily want them to oppose their will on me, too. I don't want them to have to come in to the extent that I have a lot of. I have a lot of of, let's say, pushback is when I see that type of BS mentality start to bleed into, let's say the suburbs, that's when I'm like, okay, it's time to riot. So I do get it from their perspective and I want to validate their feelings. Like, yes, you do also get to kind of live

the way that you want to. Like, if you want to live in a city with a shitload of crime and fentanyl and, I mean, okay, I don't know what to say. I guess it's your choice. It's just one that you, it's a permissiveness and a value structure, which you've created all for yourselves. I think you, I guess you deserve it. I don't know what else to say. I mean, I think you would understand some of it in the context of the conversations we've had about safetyism, like where there's, you know,

I think we're seeing right now in real time with these extraordinary federal government actions in Chicago and Portland other places that there's a tradeoff on the other side of that. You know, so there are, it's, you know, you have this sense of fear, this sense of surveillance, this, you know, this, lawlessness coming from the federal government and sense of chaos being stoked by them when you do

have those sorts of crackdowns. So I think, you know, in real time, we're seeing what those tradeoffs kind of look like. Again, I think it's totally fair. People get to, at the end of the day, get side for themselves, like here in D.C. It was very clear to me. I was like, these people do not care how I do about crime. I'm the problem, I guess. You know, I don't, if I, I don't necessarily have the right to just say the city should be the way I am. So sometimes you just got to I do the responsible thing and leave. But if you want to stay and that's the way that you want to live, I also have believed in the American value of like, well,

maybe you should be able to live that way, right? Like if that's how you want it to be, so be it. And people, citizens can make up their minds for themselves. All I know is what I've been told. And that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica current. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up.

Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Chetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with the one, the only, Cardi B.

My marriage, I felt the love dying. I was crying every day. I felt in the deepest depression that I had ever had. How do you think you're misunderstood? I'm not this evil, mean person that people think that I am. I'm too compassionate. I have sympathy for that. You put so much heart and soul into your work.

What's the hardest part for you to take that criticism? This shit was not given to me. I worked my ass off for me. Even when I was a stripper, I'm going to be the best pole dancer in here. When was the moment you felt I did it? I still, to this day, don't feel comfortable. I fight every day to keep this level of success because people want to take it from you so bad. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio app.

podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart podcast present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup.

While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Turning now to the Pacific Palisades fire.

So obviously devastating fire that happened in January. We covered quite a bit of it here. It was horrible. People lost their lives, just billions of dollars in property damage and so much just about FEMA and just the general response to that and whether people would be able to rebuild. We are now learning the Department of Justice is alleging that it was actually an intentional act of arson

and one that was deeply planned using apparently chat GPT style images with some evidence that they're able to show you of an Uber driver who allegedly took part in this. Let's take a listen to what they say. The Palisades Fire reported on January 7th was caused by an intentionally set fire near a viewpoint along the Temescal Ridge Trail into Pegna State Park on January 1st. The fire was a holdover fire, meaning it was deeply seated and dense vegetation. and roots and continue to burn undetected until catastrophic weather ensued resulting in the palisades fire. So this is including the images. Let's put this up here, guys, on the screen.

This is from the acting U.S. attorney. He says today we are announcing the arrest of 29-year-old Jonathan Rindernecht on a criminal complaint charging him with maliciously starting what became the Palisades fire in January. The complaint alleges that Rinder Knecht started a fire in the Pacific Palisades on New Year's day, a blaze that eventually turned to one of the most. destructive fires in Los Angeles history, causing death and widespread destruction. Among the evidence that was collected from his digital devices was an image that he generated on chat GPT, depicting a burning city.

While he cannot undo the damage and destruction that was done, we hope his arrest and the charges against him bring some measure of justice to the victims of this horrible tragedy. His initial appearance is scheduled in the U.S. District Court in Orlando, where apparently he was. So some of the details, D3, please, that we can put and share with all of the. view, like I said, is working as an Uber driver and was, quote, obsessed with images of fire is how they characterize it. And so I guess this is like a thing. They call them firebugs. Pyromaniacs. Yeah, pyromaniacs. They say he's accused of maliciously sparking the brush fire

January 1st. The fire was then knocked down by the L.A. Fire Department, but obviously continued to smolder before high winds and rekindled it. They said it left 12 people dead, 7,000 homes, $150 billion in property damage. They say he lived in the area at some point, quote, allegedly ignited the flames near a popular hiking trail at about midnight time on New Year's Day, just moments after dropping Uber passengers off nearby.

They later said that he, quote, appeared agitated and angry. After arriving at the hiking trail, he allegedly filmed the scene on his phone and listened to a rap song by a French artist whose music video features him setting a series of fires. The Google record showed that he was born in France. Apparently, it listened to that song multiple times in the music video four times leading up to the day of the fire,

and it translated the lyrics from that song that something says, like, Daily Life is killing me, I feel like I'm nowhere, there's too much bitterness in my head, I think about the mistakes that we made. And they say at another point in the music video, it actually shows a burning barrel outside of a housing project that eventually becomes a huge inferno. They say he watched his fire burn for a minute

before fleeing down the trail where he made a three-minute video recording of himself attempting to call 911 to report the blaze as he was on the phone to dispatchers. He typed, are you at fault if a fire is lit because of your cigarettes into chat GPT, which was also featured apparently in the screen recording that he was trying to make there?

So creating alibi, I think, where he was like, I'm calling 911, And am I at fault for it because it was a cigarette, like trying to play it off as a cigarette? We're not exactly sure. He then said they drove away from the scene, turned around to follow the responding fire trucks back to the scene where he watched and recorded videos as the crew battled the inferno. And eventually all of this comes to light now after, I guess, prosecutors were able to zero in with the Uber message, with the 911 records, the arson investigation. I mean, it's totally crazy.

I mean, killed so many people, caused so much damage. And I genuinely was not aware that this was a thing, that there are just freaks out there who liked to set fires. I know. I was actually reading about it yesterday. I'd never even heard of it. So most arson is not set by pyromaniacs. It's like people who are, you know,

looking for insurance funds or for revenge or whatever. But this certainly bears the hallmark of someone who's, like, obsessed with fire. And there's even people who get, like, sexual gratification from fire, watching fire. And, like, I don't know if he's one of those people, but it certainly bears the hallmarks of someone who has, like, a twisted obsession when fire listening to this video, this music video, watching it over and over. He was watching other videos about fires, even him, like, recording himself with the fire in the, you know, in the background and generating these images on chat GPT, et cetera. And we also should say, I mean, listen, I'm reading a lot into, like, the lyrics of the song that talk about all my life is England.

we don't know, et cetera, but, you know, it could be kind of like have some similarities to some of the nihilist killings that we've talked about. And people did get killed here, by the way, 12 people were dead as a result of these blazes and thousands of homes destroyed. California was, I don't know if you guys remember, like, it was horrible. California was a Tinderbox, and it wasn't, it was, this fire was the largest one. There were others burning as well. You had the Santa Ana winds that were extraordinary, 80 miles per hour that made this thing spread just so rapidly and like crazy. Absolutely sick and horrific thing to have done. And it really was kind of like a perfect. So the vegetation was very dry as well. I mean,

it was just like a perfect storm for this to end up being one of the worst and deadliest blazes in California history. Yeah, that's right. It was it was really awful. We just wanted to make sure we gave everybody an update just because, I mean, there's nothing really political, I guess, to say about it. We don't know very much, exactly. Everybody immediately ran, what's his social media, and who's he? The New York Post says he was a Biden, supposedly. He gave, he gave $2 to Joe Biden. Did he? Yeah,

he gave $2, $1, and then another $1 on another date. That's what we had. For full transparency to the audience, I have a parlay bet with our producer Mac on whether this gentleman and Mark Sanchez both had marijuana involved in the case. So looking forward to the toxicology report

on both of those cases, and he does owe me 50 bucks if it does come to pass. So we'll see. How old? I don't think we'll ever know that of this. What do you mean? It'll come out in the criminal. He said cigarettes there, right? You think it's a real cigarette or a marijuana cigarette? I'm just, just wait. We'll wait and see. I'll let you be the, I will let you be the person who looks and can validate the debt or the debt. I'll be the judge. And for Mark Sanchez, we're calling for a full release of the toxicology report. Yeah. Full, full scale release in order to settle this wager between two gentlemen here.

Another thing he came back, he did, which added to him being a suspect, was he came back to watch the firefighters, fight the blaze also. It's so weird. Yeah. Sometimes I just get creeped out that people like this are alive and exist in our society. Very natural response. Okay, let's get to gold. Turning now to gold. This is really crazy.

Let's go and put this up here on the screen. Gold has now pushed above $4,000 an ounce for the very first time in general when people are fleeing. to gold, things usually aren't good. So that's just going to look into it a little bit. I love the lead here from the New York Times. President Trump's decorators aren't the only ones bringing gold back into fashion. They say investors, money managers, central banks across the world have piled into gold on Tuesday pushes price above $4,000 an ounce. The precious metal has gained more than 50% this year, setting a series of records in the process. Gold often seem as a haven during times of turmoil is on course for its best year since 19.

1979 after 100% surge during a period of high inflation, a depreciating dollar, and a geopolitical crisis in the Middle East. Gee, anyone reminded of any of those circumstances? Right now, it's, you know, a little weird. They say the recent rise in gold is due to demand from investors looking to shift away from U.S. assets at a time of political upheaval and uncertainty highlighted right now by the government shutdown. The gold rally also reflects a strong undercurrent of unease amongst investors, even as stocks have repeatedly set records giving Wall Street a bullish air. So can we go and put the next one up here? Because that actually is one of the things I wanted to highlight is this is about eroding faith in all international financial institutions.

So they specifically say that it is an eroding faith in central banks worldwide. And in general, they talk about how on Saturday, Japan got a new prime minister on Tuesday, gold top 4,000. They say it's not a coincidence. The surprise nominee to lead the party is a fifth. and a monetary dove. She wants much more economic stimulus. And thus, that means that there was a big run on gold from the Japanese. So there's a lot of different energies around the world, which are pushing people towards gold. But I think America and its general, like the shutdown, the tariffs, even the Wall Street thing that they mentioned there, that is all part of the picture, at least for me, because I think it's important to say the S&P 500 is like, it's either at an all-time high or very near

in our time higher. We talk about the AI bubble on our Tuesday show or potential bubble, and maybe it's dot com. Yeah, 40% of GDP spending is from AI. 80% of gains are all from AI stocks. So a logical investor looking at that could either say, oh, I'm going to go into cash or into gold because I think it's a bubble. So if a gold is rising, that shows that even though a lot of people who are buying the S&P 500, U.S. equities, and all that, they no longer see that as safe as a usual investment, and they're buying gold. So usually, as we said previously from 1979, it's correlated with lack of faith in the government.

And then at the same time, they talked about the European central banks, about the Ukraine crisis, about Japan. There is an anti-institutional financial moment across the world, which is pouring people generally into gold. So overall, very fascinating sociological development for what it means. Well, so typically, if gold is right, everything else is falling. Right, but that's not happening.

So the fact that you have stock market at all-time high and you have gold at all-time highs is why people are going, this is really, really weird. So what's going on here? And a lot of what's going on is, number one, people are very nervous about potential AI bubble. So they want to have some sort of hedge against what happens if my massive AI bets go belly up. And number two, normally in a normal environment over the, you know, post-World War II era, when you have investor nervousness, one of the flights to safety is U.S. Treasuries. U.S. Treasuries, U.S. dollars, no longer feel so safe.

We have, I mean, government shutdown, Trump tumult, like, very high debt and deficit, like, all kinds, you know, political chaos. Like, there's this sense and, you know, with the tariffs and the doging and all of this that, yeah, I don't know if the U.S. is really the place that I want to place my bets either in terms of safety. In fact, you know, we had a credit downgrade, so this is like backed by the ratings institutions, whatever. So instead of the U.S. treasuries being the classic flight to safety, instead, many are going to precious metals and specifically gold. So those are kind of the underlying dynamics here. And it's not just the U.S. There's also, you know, since other central

banks are maybe, you know, not on as firm footing as they should be. But a lot of it has to do with a loss of faith in the United States. Bingo. And also with AI. So let's go to the next one here. I thought this was really interesting and fits with the gold story. Bank of England has now warned of growing risk that the AI bubble could burst. They say a possibility of sharp market correction has increased from the bank's financial policy committee. They're warning of a sudden correction in all global markets, specifically about the storing valuations of AI tech companies, policymakers said there are threats of, quote, sharp repricing of U.S. dollar assets if the Federal Reserve lost credibility in the eyes of all global investors, as, quote, Trump continues to attack

the U.S. Central Bank and threaten its independence. Continued hype and optimism about the potential for AI technology has led to a rise in valuations in recent months, all the stuff that we talked about. However, the Bank of England said the risk of a sharp market correction has increased on a number of measures. Equity market valuations appear stretched, particularly for technology companies focused on artificial intelligence. This leaves equity markets particularly exposed should expectations about the impact of AI become less optimistic. It says investors are not fully accounting for these potential risks, warning that a sudden correction should any of them crystallize, resulting in finance drying up for households and businesses. They say as an open economy

with a global financial center, the risk of spillovers to the UK financial system from such global shocks is material. So I think that's important for them, It also shows you, as you just said, usually you pile into gold when the market's already crashing. What if people are plying in the gold because they expect the market to crash? And there are a lot of sophisticated investors. I was just reading, let's put this next one please, up on the screen just to show you all. There is some financialization that is behind this. It's not just normal investors that are doing this.

It's specifically investors worried about the future of the dollar and other major currencies are piling into gold, Bitcoin, and all other alternative assets, powering on Wall Street. what is known as the debasement trade. Traders have snapped up gold since Jerome Powell's signal in August they would begin cutting interest rates, actively traded gold futures surpassed that $4,000.

The gold rally is unusual because it hasn't been fueled by a financial meltdown. They say investors are pouring their money and specifically to do this. At the same time that President Trump has pledged to juice the economy through tax cuts and traders,

they have pushed stocks to records with a fervor for all things artificial intelligence. And some of this is a little bit of a hedge against the S&P 500 from AI, and the gold camp is saying we're going to have structural deficits, we have fiscal pressure in the U.S.,

and I need to manage that risk. So anyway, I just want to keep everybody updated. When gold goes this high, I don't know, it's not usually a good sign. Not usually, I guess it's a good sign for some of the boomers who bought it from podcast advertising. So there you go.

Congratulations to them and all the other gold coins that they've been advertising on Fox News for decades. All right, shall we get to games. It's finally paying off. It's fine. Well, only if they sell.

Only if they sell. Maybe you shouldn't sell, right? You know, what's it could go higher. I mean, I think the expectation is it's going to continue to climb. Here's my quote. If you buy physical gold and then you sell it, is it capital gains tax or is it like what type of income is that, right? Is it an investment income?

Like when you sell a stock that, anyway, yeah, I got to look into this from the tax purpose. I mean, yeah, I think that would be capital gains. It would, right? Because it's an investment or, yeah, I don't know. I need to look into that. I mean, anything that you buy anything, art, wine, gold, et cetera. That you buy and hold and then sell for a profit. That's capital games.

Okay. All right. I didn't know. I used to be a CPA, guys. I took the test and passed it. Well, we relied on her knowledge as our empire grows. All right, let's get to Gates. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie.

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town. in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be

here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn, or any of that other stuff that y'all said it. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with the one, the only, Cardi B. My marriage, I felt the love dying. I was crying every day. I felt in the deepest depression that I had ever had. How do you think you're misunderstood? I'm not this evil, mean person that people think that I am. I'm too compassionate.

I have sympathy for that fuck my man. Put so much heart and soul into your work. What's the hardest part for you to take that criticism? This shit was not given to me. I worked my ass off for me. Even when I was a stripper, I'm gonna beat the best pole dancer in here. When was the moment you felt I did it? I still, to this day, don't feel comfortable.

I fight every day to keep this level of success. this level of success because people want to take it from you so bad. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story. a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care.

Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands. And then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny.

Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Former Congressman Matt Gates in an appearance on Tim Poole's podcast making some interesting revelations about his experience with APAC. Let's take a listen. I remember my first APAC reception, and like your fundraiser tells you you have to go. and your chief of staff tells you have to go, your committee chairman all tell you have to go. And you get there and you wear this name badge. And I remember there's a QR code on it.

And what we were supposed to do was go talk to donors. And then if they liked you, they scanned your QR code to make a donation, like on the spot. And so can you just imagine how demoralizing that is to be told that your job for the next several hours to go chat people up, hoping they would scan you like a can of tomato soup on the way out of the meeting.

I mean, it's like literally purchasing. Right. And so I saw that. And I was like, wow, that is so freaking weird. Literally making the choice on the spot, whether or not they're going to buy this congressman. I mean, it's just like, and to be honest with you, this is not really any different from the way that other fundraising works. I mean, I ran for Congress, right? I've been to these events where you go and you try to meet a network with donors who typically give. case to Democratic candidates and you're schmoozing, there's a whole dance around LA, let me get your

information. That means so I can call you later and beg you for dollars. They just come right to the chase. Like, we're just, you're just going to wear a QR code. And then if I like what you have to say, which with regard to APAC would be Israel now, Israel forever, you can genocide whoever you want. We don't care. We'll back you up even when it's completely unreasonable. As long as you're willing to say those words, then they'll scan your QR code and give you some dollars right there on the spot. They've got this down to a science saga. Well, according to APEC, the QR code is for security

purposes only, and it is false. They say, they say that they have... What do you mean for security purposes? I don't know. In terms of that, listen, I'm simply... Have you ever needed your own personal QR code to feel secure? Maybe I should. Maybe I should. They say that they include AAPC

security. Yes, they say the accusation about fundraisers is, of course, a lie. Barcodes are on the name badges for security reasons. Not fundraising. They are scanned for that purpose. maybe Matt Gates was confused because he wanted people to scan his barcode and they didn't want to talk to him. I'm glad you got their denial in. Thank you. Cover our bases here. Yeah. Matt Gates's response is IDK APAC. I read something in the history books that putting codes on people was really bad. Ooh. Okay. Wow. He went there. He went there. He certainly. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, is that it's, in general, it's like you describe.

And this gets to the whole APAC conversation. And everyone's like they should register for a four, a foreign agent, and I mostly agree with that. But part of the problem is that in some ways the APAC defenders are correct only in that they're like, what are you talking about? It's all American citizens. And you're like, yeah, that is the issue that we kind of have to grapple with. The foreign registration thing almost belies the point of there is an entire connected political network. Yes, of U.S. citizens who exist solely for the purpose, or at least in this case, to preserve the so-called U.S. Israel Alliance, which is tremendously impactful at the political level. I think that that does genuinely amount to some level of foreign interference or something,

but it's a more sociological question of like, this is so crazy about, you know, the ability, you know, there's all these billionaires, people like the Adelson family and others who have said things in public. Like, I wish I'd served in the IDF rather than the U.S. Army. And you're like, dude, like this is such an insane thing to say, right? And to use your political influence and other that, specifically on behalf of a foreign nation, how do we draw that line? Like, in my opinion, we should update probably the legislation to say that if you're overtly going to push another country's agenda, even if you are a U.S. citizen, that is going to have to qualify in some way as far, even if it's a foreign dollar or not. It's very, very difficult to draw that line.

It's so hard. Exactly. I mean, the truth of the matter is that, look, they're able to exploit are wide open Wild West campaign finance system where anyone can be bought for any price at any time and there's very little limits on that. And by the way, David Serraud of Flag for me, the Supreme Court has taken up a case that's going to, if you thought there were already no campaign contribution limits that could even more decimate the ability to regulate

big money in politics whatsoever. And so look, the Israelis, I mean, Netanyahu's literally like from Philadelphia. So they understand our politics. They understand our political system. They know where the loopholes are. They know how to gain influence, and they have done so extremely, extremely effectively. They have, over the years,

convinced an entire religious group that the way for them to serve God is by, you know, allowing the Israelis to do whatever they want for us to send billions of dollars every year to them to, you know, to buy weapons and subjugate an entire different group of people. So they have wielded that influence extraordinarily effectively.

And so, you know, I don't know, we'll take Apex work. for it, that it wasn't exactly as Matt Gates described, but there's no doubt that they have the most organized ability and the most persistent ability to get not just to politicians, but to media personalities. We're about to talk about this next story to anyone who has influence. I told before my own story, as soon as I got hired as a host at MSNBC, lo and behold, APEC wants to take me out a trip to Israel. Did not take them up on that. Chabal Bowman told his story about when he's running for Congress. They went through all sorts

channels to make sure they could get a meeting with him because he initially said, no, I don't want to sit down with APEC. So they went through this well-respected organization, like uplifting black men in New York City that he'd been involved with before. They used them as a conduit to be able to get their meeting and get in his ear, very persistent. And they have lots of money to spend, apparently. Let's put this next piece up on the screen. So they hatched a plan to try to hire celebrities like Chris Pratt and Steph Curry. a newly created firm. This is a responsible statecraft, by the way. They've been doing some really good reporting. And this gentleman in particular, Nick Cleveland Stout, we'll have to get him on the show sometime. But anyway, he writes, a newly created firm called Show Faith by Works is carrying out a $3.2 million outreach and digital targeting campaign to Christian churches in the Western U.S. on behalf of the Israeli government. Firm's goal, as described in its filing under Farah, is to increase positive associations with the nation of Israel. They're going to carry out that campaign through December for its work, which includes targeting churchgoers with pro-Israel ads, geo-fencing major churches,

meaning that they're going to, like, if they see your cell phone number in the area of this megachurch, they're going to target you directly using geofencing, hiring celebrity spokespeople. That's where the Steph Currys and John Voight and Chris Pratt and Tim Tebow and others come in, and visiting churches and colleges with a mobile trailer called the 10-7 experience on behalf of the government of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This, of course, will come as no surprise because he talked publicly about how, you know, one of the fronts in the war is the, what was the seventh front, the eighth front, I took the lost track, was this information war. He talked about how important the purchase of TikTok by Zionist allies was going to be and the amount

of censorship that they'd be able to put into place there. Talked about Elon being an ally and being able to, you know, shape the conversation on Twitter as well. So they are very, very intentional about what they're doing with all of this. Yeah, reading it is just so crazy, but it all makes sense, right? It's that it's a $3.2 million outreach digital marketing thing. By the way, we're talking about this. It actually was, this is so what's crazy about Farah. They actually have to admit this stuff in the documents.

So they're like, yeah, that was an early, they contacted him. He didn't deny that the plan was to hire or try to hire some celebrities. He said it was an early planning document. He's like, but we haven't followed through or contacted any of them. Just to be clear, there's no indications that any of these particular people have received these funds. This was just like their target list of people. Yeah, they say John, all the actors and other famous people that you just listed, they say specifically that they plan, our initial planning document was to contact them. But nonetheless, can we just sit with $3.2 million? Like, this is so much money. Specifically for some

geo-fencing targeting Christian church campaign, but it also fits a lot with a political strategy that we talked about here, which is going after the evangelicals and the megachurch pastors who become like the biggest pushers of the Kufi movement, the Christians United for Israel. They lead like Mike Huckabee, a lot of those end-time trips to Israel for a lot of the tourism groups. I mean, remember one of the few times that Huckabee criticized Israel was because they were holding up the visas for a lot of those evangelical groups who were visiting. Anyway, I mean, it is the bedrock of the U.S. Israel Alliance in terms of the last bastion of, like, genuinely very popular support, that's where it all comes from right there.

And so it's not a surprise that this is where most of the pushback or most of the energy is going to be in terms of their political allies. Because this is really the last group they've got a strong grip on. 100%. So they got to hold on tight. And it just so happens that they're really important group. They're President Trump's most rock-solid constituency. in terms of his support. So they're a very important group,

and they want to make sure that they don't start to drift away the way that most of the rest of the population has. Well, same with the congressman. I mean, this is why it matters for Gates and all these other people to speak out, because those people, I mean, think about it. If you're a congressman, you have to go to the groups or, you know, just to go speak in general at different places.

Who are you most likely going to speak to? Retirement homes, churches, or, like, you know, religiously inspired nonprofits, whatever. Well, these are exactly the type of folks who would be involved in that. And so at a demographic level, that's where they feel so much pressure, often from the people who visit their office, their pastors and others who are prominent. You know, they have a flock, isn't that what they call it a flock or something? You know, when you have a large group of people that are like, oh, well, my flock is very supportive of Israel, right? So you could just see how this whole pressure campaign on them, which is so organized and ingrained in Republican politics, becomes so influential. And it's noteworthy that gates can only say any of this whenever he's out of office.

Yeah, I know. I know. I was thinking about that. Yeah. I was like, I wonder what you were saying at the time to get your little code scanned at the moment. He was usually anti-neocon. I covered him since 2015. I can't recall an instance where he was overtly, like, pro-war with Iran or any of that.

Yeah, but if he was in that room at the APEC fundraiser, getting his code scanned, he was saying something. Yeah, I was going to, it's like, there's got to be something that is going on. But, look, nonetheless, we appreciate it now. I appreciate the disclosure now, yes, for sure. As well as remember his previous story about how he was in Israel, or he was on a, a trip, I think, right? And somebody, he found someone in his hotel room. Creepy. All right. Okay, guys, thank you so much for watching. A great Friday show for everybody tomorrow. We'll see you later.

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