Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 11/13/25: Trump Freaks On Epstein Vote, Full Epstein Email Breakdown

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

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reaction to the Epstein files, acting guilty as hell, if I might say, with their initial reaction working incredibly hard to try and stop a discharge petition from hitting the House floor, which would require a release of the Epstein files. So this was their initial reaction to those releasing of the emails here is what they had to say. Can you address their substance? Did the president ever spend hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house with a victim? These emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong. Why not just go ahead, release the full files on Epstein, get this all over with? We have, this administration has done more with respect to transparency when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein than any administration ever.

And it was CBS's own reporting Ouija that recently wrote that Ms. Guthrie maintained, and God rest her soul, that she maintained that there was nothing inappropriate she ever witnessed, President Trump was always extremely professional and friendly to her. If the president is considering a pardon for Glenn Maxwell. Again, he's answered this repeatedly. It's not something he's talking about or even thinking about at this moment in time. I can assure you of that. All right.

So that's their reaction there in terms of their, oh, we've done absolutely nothing wrong. You know, these emails prove nothing other than the fact that he did absolutely nothing wrong. I don't know about that, all right. I mean, look, I was willing to believe, here's the theory. And I think this is a reasonable one. Trump's been on the scene since, what, 2015? Right? You're like, well, if anything didn't come out, it would have come out, right?

He's one of the most heavily scrutinized people. You've got all these Me Too lawsuits, et cetera. It's not exactly like he was a choir boy in his tabloid lifestyle. So it seemed like whatever was out in the open was out in the open. But, man, I mean, you read some of this stuff and we're going to spend a decent amount of time here. It's not looking good there for Mr. Trump. At the very least, it does prove. at the very least, their behavior only validates what could be the theory behind it, right?

Yes. About running scared, in my opinion. And I think any reasonable person could see that. We had the letter that initially came out from Trump, which said, you know, or the letter, the drawing or whatever from the birthday book, they said it was fake. It was obviously real. It's been vindicated as real ever since then. Not that MAGA's ever acknowledged that.

But, you know, the release, a lot of these emails just suggests like a very close, intimate relationship. Could Epstein have been bullshitting? Like, yeah, maybe, but at this point, like, you basically have no choice but to fully release everything if you actually want to be, quote, vindicated and we're whipping this hard against it. Like, I don't know how a reasonable person couldn't say it does look like you're trying to cover up something. I don't really have another explanation for it. Do you? No. I mean, you put together what we're going to go through that has been revealed in these emails, which is highly suggestive and suggestive of a longer-term relationship member, Trump said that he had cut off all relations, all, you know,

friendship, any sort of communication with Epstein long ago. These emails would certainly seem to indicate otherwise. That's number one. So you put together, you know, some of the content of the emails with the incredibly guilty, panicked way that they're reacting to this vote that could potentially in the future lead to a further Epstein files release. And you put that together with the Cushy treatment of Galane Maxwell, who's sitting in club fed playing with puppies and getting special meals and filing her application for commutation of her sentence. Why? Because he's afraid of what she has on him, what she could say. It appears she was leaking to the press. I mean, I think that's a, you know, pretty reasonable assumption at this point, not proven,

but reasonable. Those leaks stopped once she got her special treatment. And so they're trying to keep her quiet. They're trying to keep the Republicans in line and failing, by the way, and, um, you know, acting guilty as hell while more and more comes down as people are going through these emails about what Trump knew, what Epstein thought he had on Trump. I mean, he outright says, I could, I could destroy him. Like, I have, you know, dirt on him. That could end his political career. He says, I'm the only one effectively who could do that. Um, so yeah, it's, um, and all All those, you know, lives of TikTok and all these people are very interested in this stuff. Suddenly they got nothing to say, nothing to say.

A friend of mine asked me about it yesterday, and I said, here was the stupidity of these people, is they believe that when we said the richest and most powerful, they were like, oh, well, that's just Democrats. And the whole point was it was never just Democrats. And, I mean, no one's whitewashing Democrat, Larry Summers, Bill Clinton, and all that stuff over here. We'll show all of it. Listen, in the next segment about emails, I'm going to go through. All of these like Titans of Industry, donors, you know, Larry Summers, Clinton, all these other folks that were ensnared, you know, in the Epstein story. Nobody, I have no problem talking about that. I don't even think a lot of the liberals who are now interested or have any issues talking about that either. The issue here is the centrality of Trump himself. And I think, you know, his best case could probably be, well, I knew he liked young girls. It was a different time. Yes, I fooled around with many women and Epstein. was aware of that. But he chose instead to be like, oh, I threw him out of Mar-A-Lago

because I said he was a creep. Barely knew him. Threw him out of Mar-a-Lago. It's like, this is just obviously not true, okay? And that's really what the email, I mean, look, the emails only validate. I mean, there's photos, right? There's the NBC News Report. There's the quote of, like, Jeffrey Likesam-Yungy is a very active social act they gave in 2002.

Like, these are all on the record. It was already well-established. Creepy-ass birthday book contributions. Yeah, the birthday book thing. When was that, 2006, right? So you can see, like this wasn't that long ago. It was like 20 some years ago. Not to mention not only the letter from the Trump birthday book, you remember the whole like the gifting of the girlfriend thing with the check signed by Trump, which is also in the birthday book.

This is that which is referenced in these emails as well. Let's just get to what Trump said here about the Epstein thing. Let's put that up here on the screen. This was an initial truth. The Democrats are trying to bring up the Jeffrey Epstein hoax again because they'll do anything at all to deflect how badly they've done on the shutdown, so many other subjects, only a very bad or stupid Republican would fall into that trap. The Democrats cost our country some $1.5 trillion with their recent antics of viciously closing our country. They should pay a fair price. There should be no deflections to Epstein or anything else. Any Republican involved should be focused only on opening up our country and fixing the massive damage caused by the Democrats. So this was in

response to a few of those Republicans who ended up signing that discharge petition. And that discharge petition, by the way, does now have the requisite 218 votes. Thomas Massey says that even if a representative were to die, that their signature will live in the petition. So that's discharge petition. They can't kill anyone to fix their problem. It's actually pretty interesting about district. Dispartition are quite rare. They're famously, you know, we was using the Civil Rights Act. It's one of those things where 218 votes. You need a majority of people to vote in order to circumvent leadership. It's actually very hard to do to get 218 signatures on a discharge petition. So it just shows you how extraordinary this thing is. Massey also indicating that some 40 or 50 Republicans will probably

end up voting for the Epstein resolution, despite the fact that White House is whipping so hard against this. Let me put the next one up here on the screen just again to show you the extraordinary measures that the Trump White House is using. So quote, Trump ramps up the pressure on the GOP to thwart an Epstein vote. So two of the individuals, Representative Nancy Mace and Representative Lauren Boebert, signed the vote on releasing the Epstein position because, of course, You know, they were people who not only ran, talked about it, like a lot over the last few years, and they wanted to be consistent. They were summoned. Bobert was summoned to the White House Situation Room.

All right. The White House Situation Room, that is not normal. Like, let me just explain here. Like, situation room briefings are for something that can only take place in a skiff. What is a secure, compartmentalized information facility? You can't bring your phone in. If you just watch House of Dynamite, right? There you go.

So that's what the White House Situation Room, it has a variety of, it's like a whole complex down in there in the White House, a lot of briefing rooms, meeting rooms. But in that same day, she was summoned to a meeting with the Attorney General and the FBI Director. So these are the top law enforcement officials of the whole United States government are sitting in the White House Situation Room, quote, providing a briefing. I'm like, okay, so what does that all tell you? You've got very sensitive information that being briefed here to a member of Congress, presumably. with a security clearance, honestly, you know, when I see something like that, I'm like, that's just flashing intel, right? Anything that's unclassified, normal political meeting, there's a shitload of meetings in the rooms in the White House, okay? There's an entire

complicate of the EOB. There's so there's a lot of meeting space over there. There's so many meetings that can happen in a non-classified setting. So the fact of this happened in the situation room really was like a whoa moment from me. Because I'm like, wow. So this goes to, classified setting, they don't want her to bring a briefing or they don't want to bring her phone in. Presumably she probably didn't have any staff that were allowed in there. This is like clearance to the max of thing. And I actually don't think the press is doing a good enough job about explaining how crazy it is to bring someone to the White House situation. How absolutely extraordinary. And the reason is the clock was ticking to four o'clock because remember, first of all, Mike Johnson

shut down the house entirely for 50-something days. Ridiculous amount of time just to for stall. this potential discharge petition. Then Adelaide Grahalva was elected almost two months ago and he was just like, yeah, not going to swear her in. Just not going to swear her in because she would be that 218th vote.

So finally, with actually the end of the shutdown, he could no longer justify putting that off. And so she was going to be sworn in at 4 o'clock and sign onto the discharge petition immediately. And so the clock was taking down to 4 o'clock and the Trump and, you know, his administration cronies, full court press, I can only imagine the level of pressure that was exerted on Nancy Mays and on Lauren Bobert and whoever else they thought they might be able to get to withdraw their name and to cave. And at the end of

the day, they didn't. None of the Republicans took their name off, which is an incredible sign, I think, of the weakness of this White House at this point. You know, I think, but Maybe even just weeks ago before the election results, you might have been able to bully some of your Republican suicide onto this petition to walk away from it. But now Trump's popularity is going down and down and down. You've got Americans who are very unhappy with the economy. You know, you've got so much, so many of these people talk so much about the Epstein vows and have so much of their reputation on the line with regard to how they handle all of this. And so all of them held firm. Bobert put out pretty entertaining, honestly, tweet.

After this full court press came from the White House, she says, I want to thank White House officials for meeting with me today. Together, we remain committed to ensuring transparency for the American people with the little American flag emoji, translation being, sorry, not going to bend, keeping my name on here. And, yeah, thanks for your time. Thanks for wasting your time. Yeah, I mean, look, it's interesting, Bobert, I've been out of the news kind of lately

over the last two years. She was like one of our, there's no more Beetlejuice. Yeah, there's no more Beetlejuice. Man, yeah, she inspired my Beetleju's costume two years ago. Shout out to Lauren Boehler for that one. But it is interesting to me that she is sticking with this. But also, I mean, if you're a Republican, if you're MTG, Lauren Bobert, remember, Lauren Berber barely won re-election.

You remember how close that race was? It was like two or three points. It was nothing, right? And her antics really, I think, cost her part of the reason why she's been a little bit more silent. But if you're MTV, Bobert, any of these people, you got to run for re-election again. Like, you know, MTG, for example, I'm not saying she'll lose her. district. But Georgia, look at what just happened with those power elections. You got two Democratic senators rep in the state. You've got, you know, Democrats who are on the rise. You've got your own

political future here to worry about. And so the White House is not nearly as powerful. Trump is acting like a real lame duck lately in a way that I don't think a lot of people are fully appreciating. And the fact that he lost this actually does demonstrate, in my opinion, some of the lack of hold that he's going to lose increasingly. It's starting to be a lame duck. I mean, really, starting to be a lame duck. Well, he is quite literally a lame duck running for office. And then, you know, the more, look at W. W's hold on the party after 06. People were like, yeah, thanks. Thanks for calling, Mr. President. I know, I don't care what you really have to say. Yeah. So the four Republicans who signed on were Massey, who, of course, partner with Rokana

has really been, you know, leading the charge here, Marjorie Taylor Green, and then the two that we just mentioned, Lauren Bowmer and Nancy May. So I think the White House knew there was no chance they were going to get MTV, certainly not Thomas Massey. That ship has sailed. So those with the two. And apparently, what it looked like is that Nancy May just basically didn't answer their calls. It was just like, yeah, I'm just not going to pick up the phone right now. And so they were the two that made 218. There is another Democrat who's likely to be sworn in, I think, in January. So even if they got Bobert off of the discharge petition, which obviously they failed to do, then in, you know, another month or two, you're going to have another Democrat who comes into the House who would have

still made 218. But, you know, it's also interesting that they are so threatened. by this because number one, I mean, it's their government who has control over these documents. Like, does anyone here think that they would be above, like, messing with it and scrubbing them of any sort of unflattering information that could come out? I certainly don't think that they're above that. The amount of material you're talking about here, though, makes that job very difficult to be able to effectively do. So obviously, they're worried about what may be contained in whatever government information exists about Jeffrey Epstein. which, you know, given Ryan and Maz's reporting over at DropSide about all the intel connections

and just absolutely confirming, he was an Israeli intel asset. Also, by the way, he was talking to the Russians. I mean, he was, you know, any sort of power broker in the world that he could ingratiate himself with, he was certainly doing that. So no doubt the CIA has files. We know the FBI has files. Like, they have financial records. Like, there is a lot of information that our government has about this man.

But in any case, you know, so number one, you think, okay, well, they've got some time to, like, scrub out whatever it is they don't want to come forward and nobody thinks that they're above that. Number two, it still has to pass the Senate. And then even- And Trump have to sign it. And then even if it gets through the Senate, Trump still has to sign it. And he's not going to. So then you have to, how many votes do you have to get in the Senate to overcome a veto? 60 or 66? Well, oh, to overcome a veto. To overcome a veto. Yeah, that would be 66, right? Yeah. So, I mean, very unlikely that you would be actually able to get 66 members of the Senate to go against Trump and override his veto. But in the meantime, you have this story that is just festering and more and more stories like

what we're talking about today of just incredibly guilty behavior. You have every Republican both in the House and in the Senate having to go on the record of trying to like protect a pedophile, protect a ring of global ring of pedophile elites, not exactly votes that they want to take. So I think that explains why, even though it is very unlikely that we actually get to a point where, you know, this succeeds in the House, succeeds in the Senate, Trump signs it, or they overcome a veto. It's very unlikely for all of those things to happen. But in the meantime, it's just political hell for every Republican involved. I'm Robert Smith. This is Jacob Goldstein. And we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called

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new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it? I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show.

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We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down, they were kind of like, we got into the small talk. And they were just like, so what do you got? What? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no.

What? Check out Not My Best Moment with me, Kevin on stage on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Oh, I mean, obviously. that's why they didn't want to do it. Who would want to be the person who has to vote against this? Like, good luck to you. By the way, anybody want to remind me about some senators who are up for re-election, let's say, in a year in 2026?

Like, why would you gift that to your opponent? If you're running against Sherrod Brown, good luck, you know? If you're running in some of these closer races, if you're John Ossoff or any of these folks, this is great fodder for you to be like, I voted for the release. And this is what, again, These MAGA folks for weeks, remember, they were like, MAGA for Gibbs Trump on Epstein files. And I was like, here's what you guys didn't understand.

There is a whole cohort of people who definitely voted MAGA or were MAGA adjacent in 2024 because MAGA was seen as a revolutionary kind of insurrectionist movement against the establishment. Epstein was actually a big part of that because it was like, he's different. he's going to release the Epstein files because he's saying I'm above the fray of this like global ring of elites right and so when they started doing the cover up that was actually a major dissolutionment I think for a lot of younger people I would say especially young men I mean if you already feel like the system is rigged against you and that people in high places do stuff that you could never imagine and you saw eyes wide shut and your life is being disenfranchised it's like not only is it easy to believe it's actually quite literally true in this case well when you start

acting like those people, and in particular, you know, covering up any of the Israel connections and any of that stuff, you're like, no, the new boss, same as the old boss. That's, I mean, if anything, you ask me where Trump's real, like, fault comes from in terms of, like, a lot of his political popularity, it's the new boss, same as the old boss mentality. Like, Israel war continues. Ukraine war unsolved. A lot of the foreign policy looks cookie cutter, neocon, just like out of the last administration or anything. I keep saying, he's like, Biden, that's the whole problem is if people hate Biden, you don't want anything like that. Oh, actually, your life is fine.

Let me show you some bullshit chart about why the S&P 500 is up. And that means that your life is getting better. No, that's quite literally the opposite. And I could go on, you know, in every facet of this. I'm just talking about Epstein. Brett Weinstein, you know, a major Maha guy. He was recently on Rogan. He was like, yeah, my husband, you know, failure.

Like basically, whatever comes to RFK Jr., right? And for them, MRNA was like a big thing. like RFK being like, I'm going to withdraw the MRNA vaccine. It's just, it has not happened, like literally, period, end of story. They can end up make all kinds of excuses and talk about food dyes and steak and shake all you want. Like the singular thing that you said was going to happen quite literally didn't happen. Tulsi's the DNI director. She was supposed to come in and be a bomb throw, right?

Yeah. She barely exists. Where is she? Everything. All my reporting suggests is she's out of the outs, all right? CIA director John Ratcliffe, who's like much more, I'm an established from a guy. he sees control she you know Trump has mad at her about the Hiroshima

video she's like a side character fighting for relevance right now so that's just with this you know stacking on top of each other like the more revolutionary parts so called a mag and all that it's been a year like the rubber hit the road and now you kind of know who's running the show so that's just

that's why I think the Epstein story continues to matter and I mean it's such a blow to his brand yeah exactly and nobody gets how important a brand is more than Donald Trump. And it is, I mean, it's a devastating blow to his brand as this renegade outsider going to expose the corrupt elite. Like, think about the fantasies of QAnon, you know, and the storm is coming and all this idea that all the corrupt elites were going to be swept up and arrested and it was going

to be a new day and the sort of moral cleansing and purification was going to occur. And then it's like, no, actually this guy's not only going to cover up the Epstein files, but he is in like all over the Epstein files. He was this man's bestie for years and years and years. And you don't think there was going to be anything there on him? Obviously, not to mention, he always acted weird and shady when he would get asked directly about it. He could never give a straightforward, like, unequivocal answer when he would get asked about, are you going to release the JFK files? Yes, absolutely. Are you going to release the Epstein files? Well, maybe less so. There may be other, you know, I don't want innocent people to be harmed, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, it was always,

there if you wanted to open your eyes and see it, but a lot of people did not. And so to your point about the damage to his presidency, again, sort of like with the authoritarianism, you know what, people would put up with a lot of him being shady and buddies with Jeffrey Epstein and all over these emails and whatever if they were like, but I can buy a house. But, you know, my kids' lives look great now. Their jobs are not actually going to be stolen by a band of robots that are going to destroy society. My electric bill is going down. actually, like, life is measurably better in, you know, ways that I can, that I am experiencing personally.

If people felt like things were going great and, yeah, I guess the president was like, at the very least knew about this ring, pedophile ring and at the worst was directly implicated in it, eh, what are you going to do, right? It's the guy we got, at least my life is getting better. But when the president's a creep, the economy is cratering, and you've got all this authoritarian bullshit, mass thugs in the streets and all of that. nonsense as well. And the foreign policy landscape is an utter and complete disaster. Like, when you put all of that to, what are you giving people to hang on to some like, you know,

owning the libs quote unquote based social media videos and an announcement about steak and shake? Like that's that's what we're supposed to hang our hat on here is the golden age. Oh, congratulations. So and I think for the podcast world in particular, you know, Epstein obviously was a major focal point. And it just was impossible. for them to really defend. So, you know, in terms of the, you know, some of the podcast bros that were directly supportive of Trump going into this election,

you know, that really was the start of them having to start to say some critical things and having to turn in a somewhat different direction, which is influential. I mean, I'm not saying they're like the only reason he got elected, but they do have power in society and especially with this group of young men who were very important in the Trump coalition.

That's what people just, you know, really just don't get. And so, you know, bringing back to the point, I actually think one of Trump's powers, superpowers always, was like a directional honesty, is that he would lie, kind of tell the truth. And so, Ferguson, do you remember, like, in the 2015 campaign, that famous line when he was like, you think we're so innocent, you know, the confront. And it was like, wow, like, nobody talks like that. Nobody, no American president has been like, yeah, we're shady too, right?

And everyone was like, yeah, exactly, he's right. On a lot of his divorces and his own conduct, you know, for years, one of the superpowers was he had no shame. He would just call the New York Post. I mean, don't you remember some of those headlines, like, best sex I ever had or whatever with Marla Maples? He would pretend to be his PR guy, right? He was absolutely shameless. And that's why people were like, oh, he's lewd and cheats on his wife. He's like, yeah, so? You know, he's like, yeah. He never hit it. He never hid anything. So even here, if he was like, yeah, I was friends with him, I had a ram, you know, some line about, I had a rambunctious youth, even though he's like 55 at the time of some of his stuff.

RFK Junior's shit. It kind of works, you know. It happened with me. I interviewed RFK and I was like, hey, like this nanny says that, you know, you groped her or whatever. And he's like, I had a crazy youth. I was like, wow, what an answer. He was like 40 or whatever. I was like, whoa. But, I mean, it worked, right? And so for Trump, like, that's a twice divorced man who owned Miss Universe pageants and has a long history from, you know, from the tape of 2016 and prior, like, that's part of the reason I don't think the tape was the hit that most people thought. He's like, he never pretended to be anything that he wasn't. But in this case, he actually did kind of pretend, right? It was friends with Epstein. It's obvious. It's not a good

look. You could just say something like, yeah, you know, we party. We'd chase girls together. But I never soon knew or saw anything crazy. At this point, though, doubling, tripling down. And especially, I think, by the way, it's not just about Trump. Because Trump, as you say, he's always been kind of ambiguous. I think it's like Cash Patel, Pam Bondi. And, you know, all these other people who used Epstein to political advantage to rally people. to their cause and then they're silent right and that see that I actually think really rubs or directly in the cover up like cash right and so that's what really bugs I mean I can't can I say like for me in particular watching like cash and all them literally go on podcasts you know tours talking about

we know exactly where the Epstein files are and then bro you come into office and you say believe me I would tell you with your bug eyes yeah you know it's like no I don't believe you Pam Bondi I'm sitting on my desk right and then weeks later oh actually there are no Epstein files and there's nothing to see here when we're moving on so it's like Like, well, when time, when were you lying? Because you did lie. There's just no, there's no world where you didn't lie. Then you put some of the facts and all that stuff together. So, yeah, for years, not years, it's only been a year.

It feels like here. But for weeks, there was this whole discourse about how MAGA doesn't care about Epstein. And maybe that's true. But this is what I always say. MAGA did not win Trump the election, all right? Maga is only like 33% of the country. 80-something million people did vote for Donald Trump. he won a popular vote victory in the election. Not all of them are MAGA. Go ask them.

They'll tell you I'm not MAGA or I'm an independent or I was voting for this, that and that reason. The coalition that they were the most proud of, and they should be proud when young people vote for you. I think that's inspiring because it's just like, oh, the next generation believes in the stuff that I have to say, I think this is important to them. I think it's important to them. I think our show are long focused on Epstein. And of course, I mean, I won't lie. I've been rewarded for it, you know, a lot through ratings and through all this other stuff. I think it's because the reason why I became a podcast thing is because, by the way, even to this day, you can't go on CNN and just say he was an Israeli asset. Like, even then,

people would go, what? Without evidence, sir, you're speaking, right? Like, that's why it goes big on the podcast, because we can just speak the way that every normal person can look at the facts. Yeah. It's obvious. The New York Times, I mean, one of the things that comes out of these emails is that you have a New York Times reporter who worked there for like 15 years, who's basically working with Epstein to try and quash different stories and talking about black men. It's like, bro, what the fuck? Well, and that gets to the point of you were saying,

your assumption was basically like, listen, they've been out to get Trump, you know, they've been wanting to take down Trump for a long time. They, this, something, if there was there, something would have come out. But that discounts, how much these media outlets were implicated, you know, in terms of the cover-up.

It, of course, erases the number of Democrats who are involved here as well. And so I think it's the case that there was just a bipartisan disinterest, like directly, you know, going in their own self-interest. Like, we're just going to not talk about this. One of the emails is where Epstein and Michael Wolf are going back and forth about like, oh, I think CNN in 2015 is going to ask Trump a question about you. And so they're like brainstorming, you know, well, what would be the perfect answer? And by the way, Wolf, I think it is, suggests that hopefully Trump will say something. things that are untrue because then you'll have leverage on him. I mean, directly plotting,

like, here's how we're going to, this president is compromised and it'd be good for us, or this potential president at that point is compromised. It'd be good for us if we have some dirt on him. We can use it to our own advantage here. But in any case, CNN didn't ask that question. Yeah, I noticed that too. They didn't end up asking that question. So somewhere along the way, if they were planning to, that particular question got spiked and didn't make it in. So that's why we can be all these years later and you feel like you must know everything there is to know about Donald Trump and we're learning more and more and more. I'm not cynical enough because, you know, intellectually, you know, you read the Manson book, right? The Tom, I'm totally blanking on the name, but it's an incredible book.

You read that Tom O'Neill, that's his name, the guy who wrote the book. You read that Manson book and you're like, wow, so even 40 years later people will cover the shit up. And intellectually, I know JFK, for example, it's been 60-something years. since the assassination, and even though we, like, basically know, you know, the cover-up and the plots and all of that, but we don't know for sure, right? Like, we know enough to reasonably guess, and I say it obviously points in one direction, but in real time, it's like, even when you're a very cynical person like me, you're like, oh, I assume something would have come out, you know, by now, and I'm like, I don't know, man. You know, look at the CNN stuff, the New York

Times, and you're like, yeah, it's like, you know, to borrow my own words, when we said the richest and most powerful people, we meant it. It really is a conspiracy of silence, of intelligence, of just like the sketchiest, the sketchiest stuff. And, you know, what comes through to the emails to me, and again, I knew this at an intellectual level. But the depraved nature through which these guys act in private is so disgusting. I don't care what time it is, like what time period, and even if it was 20 years ago, like when you read that birthday book, Remember that one about the guys with Maston talking about raping, rape fantasies? You're like, I'm sorry.

Like, that's not normal. Like, that's really, really not normal and psychotic. 90% of the birthday book entries were all about his, like, sex life. I mean, yeah. And what it was for his 50th birthday, is that right? It's like, oh, I mean, discussing. That was like, when that came out, I was like, oh, QAnon was actually kind of low-key onto something. That's what I'm saying.

You talk about directional cracks. Yes. Yes. They were just wrong to put Trump as their hero at the center of that story. And I think, you know, some of them are realizing that. I mean, Marjorie Taylor Green was a Q&N person. And now here she is signing on to the discharge petition very much at odds with Trump and kind of in the crosshairs from the administration. But, you know, when you think about Trump's life and the characters he ran with, not just Epstein, John Casablancus, who was a, you know, pioneer in making the modeling industry, basically like a glibly. human trafficking industry and exploiting these young girls, known pedophile himself, and Trump was close with him. And, you know, Trump had his own modeling agency and, you know, reportedly

modeled some of his practices after Casablancus, puts his own daughter, by the way, in this industry when she's like 13, 14 years old, which given what you had to know about it is so just beyond disturbing. He bragged about, you know, in his beauty pageants, how he could go in. And since he owned them, you know, he could go into the dressing room and check out all these girls. You know, now there's this reporting about the party that he threw with that was supposed to be with all these models, young models and a bunch of VIPs. And then the only person he invites is Jeffrey Epstein. All these girls who thought that this was going to be their break and there'd be a bunch of like rich, famous, you know, influential people that they could

get hired for gigs, et cetera. And then it's just freaking Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. We know, without a doubt, that they were super close runs for years and years. You know, all of this is out there. Trump himself confirmed that Virginia Guffrey worked at Maralago and Galane Maxwell comes in and, you know, and takes her. And that's how she ends up being in the Epstein world and herself being trafficked and abused. So, you know, once you start to open your eyes to all of these things, and then it just really bad, and then we'll get into the emails here, it really bears underscoring why this matters. Obviously, from a moral character perspective, it matters a lot.

Okay, that's one thing. We're talking about a president of the United States who was compromised by an Israeli intelligence asset. That's what we're talking about here. I mean, whatever Trump is afraid of coming out right now, he knew that Jeffrey, whatever deep, dark secrets he has, that he doesn't want to come out, which I think is undeniable at this point,

given what we know and his behavior. He knew that Jeffrey Epstein and Gleine Maxwell, by the way, had that information on him. And you have to assume whether it's true or not that that information was shared with the Israelis. You have to assume that. We know, and Ryan brought this up, that the Israelis used the Monica Lewinsky tapes against Clinton

to coerce his behavior. Oh, you think they're above? Of course not. Like, that's their whole M.O. So we have in the White House, it looks like someone who is compromised by Israel. And, you know, there was all the Russia gate stuff in the first administration theorized. And by the way, you know, there's also emails here between Epstein talking about his like, you know, diplomacy with Russian leaders as well. So I think it actually is fair to assume that Trump thinks that they probably do have something on him as well.

But, you know, in a lot of ways, everybody was looking in the wrong direction. So that's why, you know, the Trump focus here is so important because this is such an incredible, I mean, this is the president of the United States, maybe the most powerful person in the world. And you have to assume that he thinks Israel has some sort of devastating dirt on him. And there's only one way to prove that you don't, which is by releasing it all. That's the only way at this point to prove that you don't. And I think that's why. And instead, go to. I know that this stuff sounds out antish, but it's like, dude, you know, if you look like you're in a full-blown cover up here, you know, either for yourself or your friends or whatever, it's like, yeah, this is politics. People are going to assume the absolute worst. Like, you set up the...

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Let's actually get into some of them. Crystal and Emily went into the three big ones that happened yesterday, which you'll recall. But it's actually worth knowing the House Oversight Committee ended up releasing some 22,000 new pages. Now, I want to say at the top, part of the difficulty for people like us is that they have put them out as individual images, not as searchable PDFs. So we have to individually go through all 22,000 files. It would take weeks, if not months, to actually go and read. I've done my best, and we have collated a lot of stuff here that various researchers and all of them have flagged. We're going to give you a fulsome taste here of some of the Trump stuff that remains in the email.

So let's put the first one up here on the screen. This is B2, actually, guys. Let's just jump ahead to there. Jeffrey Epstein, this was a June of 2019 email where they, Epstein says specifically, quote, recall Prince Andrew's accuser came out of Marlago. So this is Virginia Goufrey. And this is in a text chain that was with Steve Bannett. So this was from July of 2000 and June of 2019 and saying, quote, can't believe nobody is making you the connective tissue. And he says specifically Prince Andrew and Trump today too funny.

So presumably there was some meeting. There was a meeting between Prince Andrew and Trump that day. Right. So that's what Epstein and Bannon are like joking about. I mean, this is only months before he's dead in federal prison. Indicted. Just flagging that one. Let's go to the next one. This is this is nuts. Okay. So this was a email chain with Landon Thomas Jr. who is a New York Times reporter who worked there for years, who it turns out had this deep and long relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And he's sending him some stuff specifically about the Trump campaign, kind of asking him for some questions here about previous BuzzFeed News articles. about Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. And what he says is my 20-year-old girlfriend in 93, comma,

that after two years I gave to Donald. So what that shows is, you'll recall, Michael Wolfe and others had talked specifically about this girlfriend that they appear to have shared or whatever who was 20 years old in the year 1993. There were several jokes about that and being depreciated in the birthday book, which you will also recall,

just again, you know, to show some of the relationship. Let's go to the next one. This one is in emails with Michael Wolfe, the quote-unquote journalist. Yeah, I mean, the emails from Wolf here are like a secondary conversation about how disgusting that is. But anyway, he says, well, I guess if there's anybody who can waive this away, it's Donald. Let me know if there's anything I can do. This is from Michael Wolfe about the lawsuit.

This is in relationship to the lawsuit from an accuser, I believe, named Katie Johnson. who alleged that both Trump and Epstein had raped her when she was 12, 13 years old. Yeah, that's right. So this was in a lawsuit. So he's talking about, well, if anyone could waive this lawsuit away, it's Donald. I guess he was right. Okay. For all time, anyway.

Next time, let's put this up here on the screen. This is for Epstein to on Donald Trump, quote, he feels alone and is nuts. I told everyone from day one, evil beyond belief, mad. So it sounds like he had TDS. Most thought I was speaking metaphorically. It's obvious he could crack. Stormy Daniel's question.

mark. Lies after lies. Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein is lecturing you on morality, like what you have gone seriously wrong somewhere in your life. Next one. This is from 2015, again, Landon Thomas Jr. who I think was fired because of his relationship with Epstein. Right. And so he emails him about the infamous quote. I've known Jeffrey Epstein for 15 years. And Epstein replies, read the us feed. Must be BuzzFeed. Ari, airplane logs, Hawaiian contests. Have them ask my houseman about Donod, Donald,

presumably almost walking through the door, leaving his nose print on the glass as young women were swimming in the pool. He was so focused, it walked straight into the door. Pause on that one for a second, because he's talking about, so they're talking about Trump. Landis Thomas Jr.,

says, now everyone coming to me thinking I have juicy info on you and Trump because of this, story will never die. And then Epstein replies, read the BuzzFeed, read my airplane logs, and Hawaiian Tropic Contest, so some sort of a beauty contest. And then have them ask my houseman about Donald almost walking through and leave as young girls, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, he's gesturing towards like some of the dirt that he would have on Trump. Right. That was in a exchange about that. Okay. So that's what, let's go to the next one. This was about Galane and more, or sorry,

This one was a very weird email from a victim where they say, I'm at the door. I will wait for my time. I don't want to come early to find Trump in your house. Laughing emoji. This is from 2017 in December. There is no evidence because Trump was president at this time about a visit. I mean, you can't really go anywhere without the White House press corps. But I guess they were still joking about it or alluding to something while at this time period with one of the victims.

Again, it's, this, I've seen these being passed around, but I'm telling you, I mean, I was covering the White House at this time. It's literally impossible. Like, you can't go anywhere without the White House press corps that was tagging along. So I don't think it's likely at all. I mean, he was definitely at Mar-a-Lago a ton, but Jeffrey Epstein, if he had been at Mar-a-Lago at that time, that actually would have been a story. It was under Secret Service Control. I mean, theoretically, I guess, possible, but very unlikely. This just seems to me, there's a lot of winking, nodding, joking, and Epist.

In the emails to me, he loves how important he is of his relationship with everybody else. And he's constantly alluding to the dirt that he has on everybody around him, including Trump. Trump was one of the figures that he constantly alludes to in the emails. And this is confirmation of, you know, one of the things that has been posited about Jeffrey Epstein is basically like he was using blackmail to make money, ingratiate himself with the rich and powerful, keep himself out of trouble. and you can see him using those tactics in this email, saying basically, I've got, you know, I could take down this person, I've got information on that person, and then you also see him having these high-level meetings with, you know, heads of state and leaders from countries around the world. So you really get, you know, Trump included in this, but even separate and apart

from Trump, you do see how he really operates and the way that he presents himself in these emails, you know, back to the question about his connectivity with Trump. What's the year that Trump claims he cut off all contact with Epstein? It was like 2004 or something like that. Early 2000s is when they supposedly, I think they did actually have some kind of falling out over like this mansion that they both wanted or some sort of real estate. Well, it was that and also Virginia Goufrey being stolen. Stolen from Marlago. Don't believe me. Trump said that. Trump said it in Epstein, you know. No, he literally said it in these emails effectively. In any case. But you have some indications in these emails, this one being one of them, but others as well,

that Epstein still wasn't in direct contact with Trump. He was certainly in contact with Steve Bannon, who was obviously Trump World Insider. A lot of questions for Bannon. We knew that Bannon had all of these hours of Epstein footage that has never been released. And then you see him regularly texting back and forth with Epstein. Again, this is, you know, this is a longtime Trump world insider that is clearly continuing to communicate with Jeffrey Epstein right up until he is dead. So, you know, that exchange with regard to Prince Andrew, that is, I think, like a month before he ends up dead in a prison cell. Yeah.

So all the way up to the end, he was certainly connected directly to Trump world. There's another email where someone is asking him to pass some sort of. of a video along to Donald Trump, suggesting that they at least thought that he still had that kind of access. So I think that's a really important piece of this, too, as we put these pieces together. And, you know, you may not, like, what's going on with the Steve Bannon thing? I mean, I think the most logical conclusion is that he wanted to keep Epstein close, because reportedly he had said that he knew that Epstein was the one guy who could take Trump down and that he was worried about going back to 2016. So I think the probably logical conclusion is that he wanted to

keep this guy close and keep tabs on him to make sure that nothing that was going to be damaging to Trump was going to be coming out. Let's get to B8. This might be the craziest one. Let's put it up here on the screen. Okay. Trump said he asked me to resign, never remember ever. Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Galane to stop. That was one of those that was released. Of course he knew about the girls. Yeah, of course he knew about the girls. And that seems to confirm the Virginia Giffray at Marla. Like that dovetails with that story about. Virginia Gufrey being quote to be fair I will say what the MAGA people are all showing is what Virginia Gufrey did testify under oath that she never saw Trump do anything wrong which I don't think is

all that exculpatory I get because for Trump per se because that's not really the alleged accusation the accusation here was about knowing about this and some of the relationship that proceeded but did want to throw but read read this part from Michael wolf too though because so the first part of the exchange is this is when I believe they're talking about this potential CNN debate oh no this This is later. This is 20. Oh, yeah. This is 2015. Okay, so 2015, they're talking about this potential CNN debate exchange and brainstorming how they would want Trump to respond, which again indicates that there's some way to get this information to him and to press him to respond when way or another. And Michael Wolfe says, I think you should let him hang himself. Interesting choice of words. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and police. currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say, Jeffrey's a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of

political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. So here you have Michael Wolf saying, we should hope that Trump lies because then you have leverage over him. You have valuable PR and political currency. And if he wins, you could say, him generating a debt. So again, strategizing about how basically to wield this information against Trump and have power over him. And so that email was in 2015. And then the one above it is from a separate exchange about, of course he knew, of course Trump

knew about the girls. He asked Elaine to stop. Yeah. So extremely revealing there in terms of how they were talking internally and how Epstein operates. Let's go to the next one, shall we? This was another pretty extraordinary one. This was, this is a joke where he talks about, well, it may not be a joke.

He's saying, quote, Hillary doing Notties with Vince. So this is about Vince Foster. This is some 1990s stuff, if you've never gone down the road of the Vince Foster suicide. But he is alluding there. The Clinton body count. Well, I mean, go and read it for yourself. It is objectively a crazy death. There's no getting around that.

Let's get to B-11, shall we? This was from Jeffrey Epstein, Petit. Peter Thiel, quote, subject, that was fun, see you in three weeks. Just put a pin in that, I will return because it actually just tells you about how crazy his inner circle was. Go to B12, shall we? This was another one, quote, would you like photos of Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen? This is from December of 2015.

Let's go ahead and skip to B14, just because I want to show everybody how deep he was still in D.C. This is an October 2017 email from Larry Sondon. who remember is like former president of Harvard, World Bank, Treasury Secretary, under Clinton, like as respected as it gets in liberal establishment circles. And Epstein says, when we meet, I will endeavor to mesmerize you with stories of D.C. So wild, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. Hmm, interesting. B-15, please.

These were all some of the ones that I was noting that I dug out. So here is Epstein keeping tabs on Alex Acosta before Alex Acosta's hearing. He says who will represent Acosta at hearing and his lawyer, Roy Black, who by the way helped Epstein with the sweetheart deal with Acosta, says he will be by himself perhaps Trump aide to assist and to accompany him. The reason why that's noteworthy to me is number one, he's keeping tabs on Acosta at the hearing. Number two, the alleged he belonged to intelligence quote about Acosta happened while he was

being vetted, allegedly, according to whoever leaked that story, that he belonged to intelligence quote, happened while he was being vetted for his potential confirmation hearing in the belief that he may have been asked about it at some point during that confirmation. So that's why it was important to me that he is keeping tabs on Epstein. B-16, please. This is the perfect one for me, because this just shows you, like, yeah, look, obviously Trump has headlocked because he's a president, but this is how deep this stuff all goes. So this is just 2014, just 2014, September, 2014, during the UNGA, when, you know, the global elite is all in New York City. These were all of his meetings that he lists out, and please keep it on the screen so I can

read from them. Peter Thiel, Larry Summers, Bill Burns, CIA director, Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister of Britain, Zagland, who was a Nobel committee person from Norway, the Mongolian president, the UAE leader, Qatari leaders, Leon Black, that Apollo hedge fund guy who, you know, they had a long relationship with. That correspondence that he has back and forth is with Obama's recently departed White House counsel. And he's listing like the Clinton people, the security council. He talks about the climate summit that's happening there for the Clinton Global Initiative.

Woody Allen, right? Fairweather friends, I guess, there between the two. But my point is just like, you can see how deeply interconnected that he was into this global elite. Like, it's not just Trump. It's like everybody, Indian energy ministers. And just to flag here, the Mongolian president part is, remember, one of the first stories that Ryan reported is that Epstein helped broker in Israeli security agreement between Israel and Mongolia. So here you have him meeting with this head of state around the same time that he's working on behalf of Israel to broker the security. So this just confirmation of the drop site story, number one, but number two, look at the level of access that this guy just had. I mean, it's just so crazy from prime ministers,

CIA directors, billionaires, Nobel Committee, sultans of Dubai, people at Harvard, Woody Allen. I mean, it's everywhere. It's entertainment. It's the presidency.

It's finance. It's like at the highest levels of government, including, you know, many of these people, they never even answered, like Bill Burns when those stories came out. He was literally our CIA director under Biden. And everyone was like, oh, yeah.

And he was asking for career advice from MCD in a lot of his emails. So it goes deep, man. It's an actual, like, this is a full-blown conspiracy. And I want to be clear, I'm not alleging that they all have compromise or any of that stuff on them. I really actually don't think that's the case. I think a lot of it was money, influence, and power.

That's enough. You and I have lived here long enough, we know. And people will just look past it. But what I think I would hope most moral people are above is you usually Google the people that you're associated with, this is a registered sex offender at the end of the day. And none of them cared, as long as, you know, you can get access to money into power. And he used the fact that other wealthy, famous people continue to associate with them to be like, well, I mean, Bill Gates still hangs out with me. So it can't be that bad.

Like, you know, these like Larry Summers or whoever, they still think that I'm cool. So it can't be that bad. One more that I just saw here this morning, because by the way, it's important to remember, as Sagar was saying, 22,000 emails and messages got dropped yesterday. And none of them are in a searchable format. They're in a Google drive in image folders, which are unsearchable, just so everybody knows. So what we just went through is the sampling of what has come out so far. There is going to be more, okay?

And so here's another one that I just am saying for the first time, where it's Michael Wolfe again, going back and forth with Epstein, talking about Trump. This is in early 2018. And so Epstein replies to him, the rich and powerful always send Lord. lawyers letters. A book about any one of them takes more time to publish as I must be, and I am meticulous about documentation and backup. Now, again, maybe that's not true. There are some, you know, indications from the FBI search of his townhouse and, you know, victims saying that there were video recording, that there was cameras everywhere, et cetera. There are some indication that that is actually the case. But that was the perception he wanted people to have was that he was

meticulous about documentation, that he was recording everything, that he was keeping track of everything. And so the reality of what he actually had or didn't have doesn't really matter. What matters is what powerful individuals like Trump think that he may have and assume that he must have and assume that he must be sharing with various entities that he's also associated with. So, you know, I found, I think that one is significant as well in terms of the way that he's portraying himself as this sort of like all-knowing, all-powerful with all the receipts to back it up, kind of a guy. And so there's, you know, the power, the proximity to power, the genuine influence. I mean, the amount of now we've seen, it honestly goes beyond what I expected.

The amount of globetrotting power that he had to shape world events is mind-boggling to contemplate. So you have wealth, you have power, you have proximity to all of these elites, and then you throw in that you have dirt on any number of people that can make your life very difficult. Then you see how this conspiracy of silence develops and is sustained over so many years. And the last point I wanted to make here, and by, like I said before, there's going to be stuff that continues to come out. Whatever's new. We'll also put in the show tomorrow, the Friday show tomorrow as well. But Jill Filippevich made a good point about these emails with this New York Times reporter.

These were from his work account. So New York Times fired him because he had an inappropriate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. So they knew that he was having this, like, personal relationship. And these emails about Epstein and, you know, Trump have been sitting on New York Times servers, presumably, for all these years. and they just, I guess, never bothered to think of that, never bothered to search the emails, never bothered to see if there was anything relevant there that they might want to look into and report out.

And that is wild and gets to what you were saying, Sager, about, like, how is it possible that none of this has come out before? You literally had the email sitting on New York Times servers and they did nothing with it. Yeah, weird. Interesting. And look at Ryan right now, reporting out all this stuff that any reporter could get access to

and report out but they are the only ones who are doing it tells you a lot it's a conspiracy i mean this goes to the heart of the epstein story from the day one remember amy roboc good morning america oh yeah had the story couldn't cover it uh actually in the in some of those files he is giving advice about how to help quash stories for the royal palace when the duke andrew is in his emails being like please i have nothing to do with this please quash this story for me and Epstein is like, if we help this, then we're going to be at, you know, parties in Buckingham Palace for the next, for the rest of our lives. He literally says that in the emails. Stark, crazy stuff, crazy stuff. Wild.

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