Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 11/18/25: Foreclosures Surge, Epstein Scandal Explodes, Trump Latino Support Plummets

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

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Indeed, we do. We have Kevin Hassett of the White House telling us we may have a quiet period in the labor market. Nothing to be distressed about. Just because of AI displacement might be a little quiet out there in terms of job. creation. Also, some updates on Larry Summers, who was heavily featured in those Epstein emails that were released. He says he is now stepping back from some of his public commitments. So we will dig into what was revealed there and his response. Also, a bunch of updates with regard to ICE. First of all, Latinos who had voted insignificant numbers for Trump, abandoning him,

also in significant numbers. And the Greg Bovino team has now moved to Charlotte and then they're apparently planning to go to New Orleans. They'll break down what we know about those deployments and also the aftermath of what happened in Chicago. Some new indications about what we may be planning in Venezuela. We'll dig into that. Sagar has a property tax update for all of us. I'm excited to hear from him on that one. And really looking forward to this interview we have with a top AI safety researcher. This is a guy who had left open AI because of his concerns about the direction of AI. He is sounding the alarm. And he co-authored a paper called AI 2027. That's gotten a lot of attention, that is his and his co-authors' best guess of how AI is going to develop

and the major consequential, potentially civilizational risks entailed in this, you know, multi-trillion dollar project that the oligarchs and our government, Chinese, and everybody else are throwing tons of money at, tons of effort at. So really looking forward to speaking with him. I've watched a bunch of his interviews and read his paper, obviously. So that's a really good one. Really interesting guy. I've seen a bunch of his stuff. I know some of you were familiar as well. would play clips of him here on the show. Thank you to everybody who has been signing up at a premium subscriber, breakingpoints.com.

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It's just a little bit of a blip of what's happening. Let's take a listen. The last CPI report we got, surprised 48 Bloomberg economists on the downside had even had some sort of temporary bad news because there was a refinery that would shut down if you're looking at the top line number. I think that there have been mixed signals in the job market and really, really positive signals in the output markets. As you know, we've got GDP now running close to 4%. We've got productivity running up around 3%. And so I think that there could be a little bit of almost a quiet time in the labor market because firms are finding that AI is making their workers so productive that they don't necessarily

have to hire the new kids out of college and so on. But because, because there's so much output growth and income growth, that's the kind of thing that, you know, a free market will work out relatively quickly as, you know, new ways to spend money emerge. Free market's going to figure it out? Don't worry about it. Well, you know, it's one of those where I keep saying this. The Biden vibes on this are just so out of control. Like what they keep doing is they post charts. They say the economy is historically better than ever. If it is bad, it's always somebody else's fault. And if, you know, to the extent that it is, somebody else's fault we're also not going to do anything about somebody else's fault right so you can't

this is one of those where with AI they just continue to basically think that yes it will shake out its free market creative destruction the libertarians favorite word whenever it comes to this and you know maybe there is something to that but part of what is so distressing we're going to talk about with the AI 2027 plan is basically they keep saying stuff out loud like none of you were going to work in five years and the government is just completely just letting it go just this morning, House Republicans are apparently scheming to try and put some language in that will block all states from regulating AI. So any individual state, remember this, they previously tried to pass this gambit and there was a pushback against it. And I'm increasingly just thinking,

like, look, I'm sorry. Like, we have to have Democratic check whenever it comes to our relationship with this technology when billions of us are going to use it. And you, in your own words, if we take you seriously, it's going to cause mass layoffs. It's going to disrupt every facet of our society. It's just too important to leave in the hands of Sam Altman. I don't trust him and I don't think anybody else should. Oh, or anyone. Or literally anyone else. I mean, so I actually been thinking a lot about this this week. And increasingly, obviously, there's a lot going on with the Trump news. There's, you know, Epstein files, there's a big beautiful bill. There's Venezuela. There's the ICE deployments. There's a lot of shit going on with the Trump

administration. I'm increasingly feeling like the AI push is actually the main event. Yeah. It's like the main, not just in terms of the, the, the, consequences of it that I've already been convinced of, but that, you know, in Trump's campaign, you'll recall, you had, first of all, him flip his position on a bunch of issues, including crypto, in order to please these tech oligarchs. You had a bunch of these tech guys who previously were like more or less Democrats or voting for Democrats or supporting Democrats, flip their support to Trump. You had Elon Musk himself coming in with, what, $250 million plus and taking an extremely aggressive, active role in the campaign, being influential in who Trump picked

as his VP. And then what happens as soon as he comes into office? First of all, you guys will remember the images from the inauguration where he's surrounded by all of these tech barons, a striking image and a striking portrait of what was to come. In that initial batch of executive orders, remember, there was a whole slew of them. So it was somewhat lost. But immediately what he did was to roll back any of the safety guardrails that have been put in place by the Biden administration. The whole push of this administration has been to completely deregulate the tech industry, I mean, deregulation in general, but specifically the tech industry, and make it so that it was completely off to the races with this AI tech development with no brakes on the car. We had multiple, you know, press conferences with these guys. You see him at dinners with these guys. This is the central piece that this Trump administration really is about.

They are placing this bet that, number one, we can beat. China to AG artificial general intelligence. And that number two, it's going to magically solve more problems than it creates. When if you actually listen to the researchers of one of whom we're going to talk to today, if you listen to even guys like Sam Altman or Mark Zuckerberg, who's one of the least responsible actors, actually, in all of this, you listen to Elon Musk. They'll tell you, we are planning to replace, at the very least, tens of millions of jobs with robots.

Like, we are planning to make you irrelevant. this is already happening. We covered how Amazon their plans to eliminate half a million jobs were leaked. The New York Times got their hands on it. They're already implementing this. There is a warehouse down, I believe, in Shreveport, Louisiana, where it is largely robots already. So this is happening now. And the reason this clip from Kevin Hassett is so significant, I think, as far as I know, this is the first time the White House is acknowledging that that labor displacement, is already happening now. It's happening exactly the places you would expect with coders and with new employees coming out of college so that those entry-level jobs are being destroyed. People can not get their foot on the ladder. That is where it starts, but they have much bigger goals. So when he says, oh, it's just a quiet time and plays it down and frames it actually saga like this is some plus, oh, they're just, you know, these companies are getting more productive. It's a good thing, actually, that we're displacing all these workers and there's going to be a spike in unemployment. And

and young kids coming out of college are not going to have jobs to go to. That's how he's framing it. That's how they're thinking about it. And that's how these companies are thinking about it too, which is why they all go out and brag as much as possible about all the layoffs that they're doing. Yeah, I mean, you know, to think it back, actually, if you even roll the tape of our inauguration coverage, what we said is if you roll back, you know, you will off,

you may think that the most significant thing that happened in the Trump administration was AI, you know, considering all those tech CEOs, which we literally said on the day he was inaugurated with, that picture. AI regulation and all of that has also just been a morass. You know, you're talking about AI. I did a few monologues about it at the time. Unfortunately, the Biden rules, in my opinion, would have basically just crystallized too big to fail with a lot of the open AI and others. At that time, there was a little bit more of a hope for open source direction. The Trump administration has abandoned even the Biden administration's effective commitment to too big to fail and to

regulation because what they've done, look, they need the AI companies to continue to investing in our economy. If they do stop building these data centers, we are in an official recession. Now, we're going to get to some data that already shows some recessionary impact. But the issue is the stock market and GDP is entirely reliant on these AI gains. It's part of the reason they're letting them let fly because they're like, look, without this, we're screwed. I mean, you want to talk about tariffs and all this other stuff. The discussion is totally different without a lot of these AI companies. And in general, you're actually seeing recession and inflation problems that are bubbling up everywhere. Consumers are more miserable than ever before, literally

rock-bottom sentiment. And of course, the same type of Biden administration stuff, trying to tell consumers that they're wrong. Like, they're not wrong. They're empirically correct when it comes to grocery prices, housing, basic cost of living, health insurance, all the stuff that we cover here on a day-to-day basis. And the administration is doing the same thing, trying to blame other people. frankly, they're just doing it an even dumber and more low IQ way. Here was Scott Besson for his explanation on beef. Maria, the beef market is a very specialized market. It goes in long cycles, and this is the perfect storm, again, something we inherited.

And there's also, because of the mass immigration, a disease that had been we've been rid of in North America made its way. up through South America, you know, as these migrants, they have brought some of their cattle with them. So, you know, part of the problem is we've had to shut the border to Mexican beef because of this disease called the screwworms. And we're not going to let that get into our supply chain. So, yeah, the explanation is that some of these people have brought the cows with them and that that's the disease that is spreading. Well, you know, I checked, by the way, I did check on that. What he's alleging is something called bovine spongiform encephalopathy. But from what we see on the CDC website at others, it is not necessarily because people are

bringing cattle over the border with them. But regardless, you know, I actually just heard from somebody yesterday and others like beef prices in terms of sticker shock at the grocery store are ones where people are paying a lot of attention. But I increasingly buy the housing theory of everything. And when you buy that and you look at the data, it's just a disaster, not only in terms of home prices and rates, but put this next one, please, up on the screen. New floor closures have now jumped some 20% in October, a sign of more distress in the housing market. Foreclosure starts, that's the initial phase of the process, rose 6% for the month and were 20% higher than the year before. Completed foreclosures, the final phase are up

32% year over year. Florida, South Carolina, and Illinois, leading the state in Florida, in foreclosures. They say there's some 36,000 U.S. properties with some type of foreclosure in October, such as default notices and others, that's 20% higher than the year prior. I mean, there's a lot of potential reasons for that. Usually, it's just that people's household balance sheet and debt, which we've also been covering here now for years. It does eventually catch up if you're unable to make those mortgage payments. Also, potentially, the government shutdown. Who knows how many of them were, you know, government workers and others who were already behind on their bills and just got a final.

final screw turning there. So we don't know exactly what the reason is. But if you lived through 07, you don't want to be seeing headlines like this. You just don't want to see it, period, right? You want people to have enough money that they're, at the very least, they can make their kind of monthly bills. And right now, with inflation at the grocery store, with housing, with rates, and others, it just feels more unattainable than ever before, especially, and it's not about feeling. You can look at credit card balances, wages, flat for over the last couple of years, and you can say it's pretty obvious where things are right now. Yeah, I just saw this from CNBC as well. It's a corollary to what you're saying about

foreclosures. Home Depot is cutting their earnings outlook as home improvement demand falls short of expectations. Apparently, they missed their third quarter earning estimates. That's their third straight miss. They cut their full year profit outlook. The company said slow consumer spending and a weaker housing market have made home improvement demand worse than it expected. So you can see indications of this everywhere. Yeah, you can see it in that day. And then also, because AI is the single bet, then you also start to have to pay attention to some of these people who are, you know, exiting their position. There was a huge one news yesterday showed. Let's put this up here on the screen A4. Peter Thiel's hedge fund has now dumped his entire NVIDIA stock and has cut back

even on the Tesla position. I mean, it's one of those where people obviously are trading and all of that all the time. But in general, when you look at the people who are exiting and now starting to call the top, let's say, on NVIDIA, you had Michael Burry, the famed big short investor. Again, it's always the caveat he has called many since the big short and he was incorrect, but he is staking out a big position against an NVIDIA and Palantir. But here, what you see is that they sold some 537,000 shares in NVIDIA. The stake would have been worth about a hundred million dollars of the company's close price on September 30th. The teal sell-off, coupled with soft bank's sell-off of its own NVIDIA holdings last week, has fueled Wall Street's angst

that the frenzy driving these sorts may have peaked, putting at risk the trillions of dollars that are committing to AI advancement. Investors and analysts still looking to the third quarter results that were reported tomorrow to dispel worries of a bubble. At the same time, I actually found kind of fascinating in a myriad ways. Put A5 here on the screen. So the founder of Klarna, he's the Swedish billionaire. Now, if you don't know what Klarna is, it's one of those buy now pay later apps. So a guy who became a billionaire by founding a company, which has basically saddled people with hundreds of billions of dollars and buy now pay later debt. So you could call him a debt billionaire. I think that's too fair. Now says, I'm nervous about all of this AI debt

spending. Seems to me he's an expert in debt. That's just me personally. Like the guy who literally created a novel way of debt in the 2020s, which that takes skill. I wouldn't say it's moral or anything, but it takes skills, certainly, to try and extract more money out of the consumer economy in the 2020s. This guy says, I'm nervous about the trillions of dollars of spending on AI. He says the tech industry is committing too much money to huge computing infrastructure. He is a shareholder. in OpenAI Perplexity X-AI Service through his family office. He told the Financial Times that huge sums being poured, making nervous. I think Open AI can be very successful at a company.

But at the same time, I'm very nervous about the size of these investments in data centers. That's a particular thing that I am concerned about. He himself calls himself an AI evangelist, and he says an AI chatbot already handles two-thirds of his customer's services inquiries over at Klarna. Now, what he's pointing to, though, I would keep hammering this home on the show. Open AI and perplexity and all these preplaces, they make money. No one's saying they don't make any money. They actually make a lot of money. But they have so much out the door that in terms of commitments, that Open AI itself,

its current projected loss in 2028 is $78 billion, $78 billion of losses just in 2020 and a trillion dollars in spending commitments just for that one company. That doesn't even factor in XAI, perplex, all of these other data center commitments. So if you have even a marginal crawl back to reality, that is a crash for our economy and for our GDP. That's the problem. And I mean, look, enough people are saying it at this point. I don't even really think you could call it a Black Swan event. It's one of the more predictable things. Their obvious business cycle is one of those things they teach you in like Econ 101. and everyone's just kind of on pins and needles waiting for it to happen.

But Wall Street's irrational exuberance, also it doesn't seem to be fading. There's still billions of dollars being poured into this. So really nobody knows. Like you could be, you know, you could either be a person who is, you know, crying wolf or something like that. Like nobody is exactly clear and nobody wants to miss out on the gains. But the richest, some of the richest fund managers in the world, they're taking profit. They're selling and they're saying, hey, that's enough. We're going to take the cash for what it is.

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It's about energy, confidence, and connection. We don't just want you to live longer. we want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. A lot of the logic of it is people don't want to be left on the sidelines. Because think of what has been advertised as the end state of AI. One of these companies is going to reach AGI and that's going to change everything.

And the company and the founders, the CEO, the executives, whoever's in charge at that time, that are in charge of that company when they achieve AGI, Not only are they going to become tremendously wealthy, they're also going to become tremendously powerful, like tremendously powerful in a way that has never, we've never seen before in the history of the planet type of powerful if the promise lives up to what they're holding out. So, yeah, these guys who are megalomaniacs want to make sure that they are, have a stake in the winning team when that all comes to pass. Now, it's possible it never does come to pass. Our guest today will say, you know, he thinks it is. He believes that they are going to get to that point, but it's possible they never do get to

that point, that it stays sort of in the realm of what it is now, which is still causing a lot of havoc and displacement and a lot of significant consequences at quiet time in the labor market, as Kevin has, it put it. But it's possible, you know, that's the sort of thing like we could as a society sort of metabolize and deal with, with, you know, significant pain, but we could deal with over time. They don't want to be left out of the big seismic revolution. that they think is possible here with AI.

So that's why even as everybody knows that this is a bubble in some sense, but why the money is going to continue to pour in is because of that dynamic. The last piece we have here is, you know, getting back to the nuts and bolts of people's lives, and obviously the AI data center build-down has a huge impact on that as well.

Republicans increasingly blamed for poor economic conditions. We can put A6 up on the screen, and this is an area where Republicans traditionally have an advantage on the economy. Trump specifically has had a major advantage on the economy. That's been his consistent strength up until this term. And now, according to this NRCC pollster, so this is a Republican pollster, for the first time in two years, voters whose top priorities, inflation and the economy now prefer a generic

Democrat for Congress by 13 points over a Republican. And I'm not sure if it was by this pollster or a separate one. they pulled specifically on, okay, who do you blame for health care price increases? Overwhelmingly, people said the GOP. Who do you blame for electric bill increases? Overwhelmingly, people said the GOP. So if you want to know why the election was so incredibly lopsided this year and why, you know, I think Republicans are headed for yet another significant reckoning in the midterm elections, you'd be hard pressed to find a better explanation than this one. Yeah, no, I mean, the economy, look, people always blame the party in power. That's why Biden was

blamed for four years. And as I said, four years ago, almost to the day, you have to be a peer as if you're doing something about it, as if you care about it. And instead, you know, you're blocked, that's why the Epstein thing is important, because you're blocking that while also seemingly not doing much for me. And obsessing over your own personal quest to get the Nobel Peace Prize because you've ended 90 wars now or whatever at this point, right? The Democratic Republic everyone is celebrating of course the end of the potential end or whatever of that conflict but that stuff you know the narcissism and all that people can deal with a lot as long as thing or economy is doing well the classic bumper sticker of the trump era or the Biden era was could use some mean tweets right

now as long as the gas was two dollars and just like well the whole point beyond that is I don't care about the personal conduct or whatever as long as things are going well in my life and it's like well, if things aren't going well in your life, well, then that stuff actually all really does start to matter. That seems to be the overall endpoint for a lot of this. And look, I don't know. I mean, you know, you don't want to read too much into a single-day movements, but there's just been like slow kind of movements in the S&P 500. There was one yesterday. There was a drop. Futures are down again this morning. We're not, you know, things can change literally on a dime here, but federal reserve doesn't look like it's going to step in and do anything drastic anytime soon, right? So,

Things generally seem to be in stasis for now, and stasis is trending in a down direction. If you look at house balance sheet, housing, and more. Nobody is planning anything radically to save you. In fact, they're probably planning something radical in the opposite direction, which I'll get to in property tax bit. Like, if anything, the people who are at the top in the status quo are doing everything they possibly can to preserve said status quo. And in a way, I think they are girding themselves for a potential crash to insulate them from any potential chaos and make it so that the younger people and the new generation will not only bear the entire brunt, but will be the ones who are totally screwed while they're completely safe.

I mean, when you think about the AI aspect, it's much worse than the status quo because they're actively planning and celebrating feeding you to the wolves. I mean, that's what Kevin Hacid is saying. It's like, oh, it's great that these, they don't have to hire these kids out of college anymore. That's, that's great. It's improved productivity. That is their goal. Like, their goal is to make it so that you are irrelevant. Your labor is irrelevant. Like, forget about chief labor. They want no labor. They want, you know, to hand as much off to the robots as they possibly can. That's their goal. That's the stated goal of all of these tech executives. That's, you know, when you ask yourself the question, okay, these trillion dollar,

you know, spend that Open AI has planned. And these other companies, you know, someone, were similar ballpark figures as well. How are they going to make that money? It's not going to come from you and me signing up for a chat GPT subscription. No, it's going to come from giant companies who are willing to pay large sums of money to get rid of you, to get rid of your labor. That is what they're betting on. And that's what this administration has gone whole hog behind. This is a central driving force, if not the driving force of this administration. That's why these guys gave Trump so much money. That's why they did so much for him for his election. You know, they're also sort of directly involved in the mass amount of wealth that he's accumulated through his crypto scam. Like, this is the

play. And so, you know, when Kevin has it comes out and is openly celebrating and justifying significant layoffs and lack of hiring because of AI development, everyone needs to pay attention to what their actual goals are and the way that they are using policy and executive orders and funding and financing and relationships to build this whole thing out. And thank you for the flag about that they're trying to do this thing again of states can't regulate AI, which is absolutely insane. And everybody needs to be screwed in the rooftops about this. That's why I'm not exactly sold on the master plan.

Because I don't think it is. I genuinely think it is an absolute alliance of convenience and of stupidity. Republicans are dumb and they like money, right? And they want job creators or whatever. Now, Elon and all the rest of these people, no question. Okay, of course. They're sucking up to Trump to try and get as much out of it. A lot of is to try off hold off regulation and basically to convince them that they're the single driving engine of the economy. And I think that is true. It also aligns with their overall posture towards deregulation itself because that's something like built into the Republican psyche.

What they mostly want is to be left alone. I think that's bad. I mean, especially Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg and Dario. I mean, he just goes on TV and he's like, none of you are going to be working in five. years and everyone's just supposed to accept that as if they're like, oh, okay, got it, right? I mean, they genuinely act as if they're going to face no consequences. And so, yeah, I mean, I just think. To be clear, I don't think Trump gives a shit about any of it at all. Like, he cares about or the stock market keeps going out. Exactly. But, you know, I think he wanted to stay on prison and get back in the White House. Yeah. And these guys were willing to throw tons of cash at him. No question. He's checked out of this administration, handed off significant chunks of

it to other aides, whether it's, you know, Stephen Miller, Marker Rubio or whoever. And so, yeah, I'm not saying, like, that he's a devoted AIA-I acolyte. I don't think he gives a shit. But I think he's turned this whole part of his administration over to these tech oligarchs and basically sold his presidency, this aspect of his presidency, to them. And they're going to get whatever they want from him. I mean, the H-1B conversation fits in that, right? And you flagged at the time when he went on the all-in podcast during the campaign and was

like, I'm going to staple the... the visa to the diploma. And you were like, what? How does this fit with the other things that he said? Now, listen, you guys, I, you know, I'm pro-immigrant. I am also pro-major reform of the H-1B program, which is genuinely exploitative and undercuts, does undercut native tech workers as well. So for him to come out now and be like, I want 600,000 Chinese students in our universities. And he's still pro-H-1B. And I'm still pro-H-1B. Ask yourself the question, why are these two things so dissonant from the other things that he said on the campaign trail? And it's because it's what these tech oligarchs want. He's going to do whatever it is

that they want. He sold this part of his presidency to him, to them. To me, that's just like abundantly clear. And those answers to Laura Ingram are just one example, one, you know, small but significant example of the way that he has outsourced this whole part of his presidency, which is unbelievably important to literally all of us to the worst people in the world. Yeah, I mean, well, they seem uncowed and they definitely seem to have a lot of power, which is part of the problem. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught.

The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island, serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Robert Smith, and this is Jacob Goldstein, and we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history. And some of the worst people, horrible ideas, and disrupting.

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We're going to have Mavericks on the show. We're going to have plenty of robber barons. So many robber barons. And you know what? They're not all bad. And we'll talk about some of the classic. great moments of famous business geniuses, along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked.

Like Thomas Edison and the electric chair. Listen to business history on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health, and I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years.

I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility, and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about.

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Speaking of worst people in the world, what's going on with Larry Summers. So Larry Summers, former Treasury Secretary, who has been basically the scene of every great economic crime in our recent past, whether it's the bank balance, whether it's NAFTA, you could go on and on with him, continues to have tons of influence for unknowable reasons within the Democratic Party and was part of this Center for American Progress pushed to create their own, you know, they were like, oh, the Republicans did Project 2025. We're going to do Project 2029. So he was very influential part of this development within Center for American Progress of the

economic plank of Project 2029, which is terrible. And it's part of the central. and the corporatists trying to keep a hold on the Democratic Party, even as the base revolts against them. And Zora and Mabdani is the most popular figure in the Democratic Party. So lo and behold, this isn't a big surprise. We knew Larry Summers had a significant relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, which he had apologized for in the past. But this man is all over the Epstein emails that just came out. One of the central characters. Trump has mentioned a lot more, but Larry Summers has mentioned a lot. And we have direct emails, unlike with Trump, we have direct emails. between Larry Summers and Jeffrey Epstein that come out of this.

And they, I'll show you some of them, they're pretty wild. He was getting like relationship advice to chase after some lady while he's married, by the way, from Jeffrey freaking Epstein and was messaging with him right up until he is put in literal prison. So very deep relationship with him. Okay, so after all of this came out, there's a bunch of public pressure, and he is now, as of yesterday afternoon or evening, could be one up on the screen. He is now announced that he is going to step back from all public commitments in light of those messages that were revealed with Epstein saying he is deeply ashamed and hopes to, quote, rebuild trust and repair relationships. He will, however, continue teaching at Harvard.

Let's put the next piece up on the screen. American Prospect has been doing some fantastic reporting here. I have to think that some of the pressure that came from Daniel Bogoslaw here at American Prospect and others, Ryan also highlighting. his emails and also some Chinese government official connections. I'll get to that in a moment. But they talk here about the way he was guiding this project at the Center for American Progress. So according to people with knowledge of the arrangement, one of the leads on the economic policy plank for the Project 2029 project is Harvard professor and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, who has now been exposed as regularly exchanging emails about his personal life with notorious sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. officially, Summers has the title of Distinguished Senior Fellow at CAP. All three sources confirmed CAP is compiling a policy blueprint in the event of a Democratic presidential victory in the next election.

Summers had taken a leadership role in advising the project's economic policy arm to the sources said. They also said Summers was the final sign-off on a CAP housing policy paper set to be released next week. And Cap has now confirmed that as part of his announcement that he will be stepping back, Sager, from public commitments. he is also stepping back will no longer be involved with Center for American Progress and presumably this policy project. Yeah, but I think what's important to note about Summers is, first of all, you know, this whole, I'm deeply ashamed. It's like, did you really deeply ashamed because he got caught, okay? You know, and in terms of his, look, you could already have judged him on his policy record in the Clinton White House or anywhere else as the Trump admit or as the Harvard University president. Like, he clearly had a long relationship there with Epstein.

But what's really disgusting is the way... Look, remember, this is all post-sex offender conviction, number one. Number two, in terms of Larry, his own wife is apparently sending Epstein recommendations for books, including Lolita, all right? Which, if you'll remember, he actually was found with a first edition copy of Lolita, which is, I mean, disgusting. Yeah, if you don't know what it is, Google it, okay? And it's one of those where inside of this piece about his lecherous behavior and luring this woman and kind of looking to Epstein as like this wingman literally, that's the way that they describe it. You're like, this is so repulsive. And I saw it very interesting piece in The Rap, actually, where a columnist was coming to grips with the fact she was like, you know, I've long been an insider.

and every Thanksgiving, I am confronted with a relative who believes that the world is run by a global pedophile elite. And she's like, now it's painful to admit that they were cracking at your book. I'm like, yeah, it's true. I mean, look, I'm a cynical guy. I've lived you for a long time. You hear stories, you know, about things and all of that. Even not, like, when you really read the birthday book, it's shocking. Like, it's shocking to see some of the world's richest and most powerful men, including our current president, past president's own. But oh, Jeffrey, I mean, Trump, wonderful secret, the check thing about the ex-girlfriend, the drawings and cartoons. The, like, intentionally childlike drawings. That probably freaked me out more than anything.

And remember that, I still haven't been able to track that guy down. I've been looking for him, the guy with the child drawing, where it looked like literally some eyes wide shut pianist type thing. Like, it's, I'm telling you, I tried for days to actually find the guy who drew that. I think he lives in Spain, but, you know, completely unable to find. The fact that it hasn't come out at this point is kind of weird, in my opinion. It was a small child at the time that that drawing was done. You'll recall, you know, some of the emails that I was reading recently, Epstein replied to somebody and was like, please send a picture of you and your child always puts a smile on

my face. Ugh. Weird. Sorry. Weird. All right. Weird. It's one of those where you look at their own, like, winking, nodding behavior.

Not to mention, I mean, remember the birthday book. They literally were making rape jokes in there. They're like rape fantasies about wearing masks while they're holding guns and knives about going out and like just finding someone to violently rape them. Like this is the stuff they joked about. So like if you're joking about that, what's actually happening? I mean, behind the scenes and from a very, very young age. So the fact is, is Larry Summers was a part of that. And what we always try to say is like, yeah, the whole point of the Epstein story is it ain't just Summers.

it's Leon Black, it's Les Wexner, it's Trump, it's Bill Clinton, it's Bill Gates, it's the Nobel Peace Prize Bowl, it's a bunch of Israeli former prime ministers, it's one anyway. No, no, no, no, it's four that he has known connections to. Yeah, in terms of, you know, potential lecherous behavior, you're right. But in terms of having direct connection to, we have at least some mentions of four separate Israeli prime ministers that he's had a connection to. Mongolia's president, Cote d'Ivoire, the daughter there of the leader. I mean, this paints a picture which is, I mean, it's eyes wide shut, literally. Like, it is a actual representation of a, look, at the end of the day, what do people always say? Like, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so we already know that people who are filthy, rich, live a very different life from all of us. In fact, just yesterday, I'm one of those suckers for one of those Wall Street Journal stories, which is like, how the ultra-rich are living in luxury. And it's like these super-rich Miami real estate developers

just invite a Wall Street Journal reporter along with them to brag about their private dinner clubs and their jet-setting lifestyle. And I was like, wow, people not only have no shame, but it's one of those where you're like openly bragging about how the richer that you are, how pleasant it is to get away from as many peasants as possible. I mean, they're like say this shit out in the open.

I mean, they say it in a more polite way, obviously. It's like, oh, well, real luxury is not at, whatever. My point is just, like, they, everybody is, it's almost just like out in the open now at that point. And, I mean, that's why I think the Epstein story matters. It's because it just shows that they transcend a level above where not even normal, but like, normal-ish people are. And they act with a totally different set of rules. And that set of rules corrupts at the sole level, at the financial level, government level. and those are the people broadly who are in charge

of the world's riches and of the world's governments. I think we should all grapple with that. Yeah, I mean, I think having a bunch of billioners is inconsistent with democracy. I think it does, like you said, corrupt you on like a deep foundational level where, yeah, you just don't see yourself as part of this sea of humanity.

And there's also this level of decadence and boredom that seems to come where it's just like, you know, you're just looking for more and more elaborate displays of like wealth or opulence or, you know, decadence in other ways. With Larry Summers in particular, I really want people to, I don't know if people, how much you know about this man, but he's sort of the ultimate Washington like serious thinker, you know, very highly esteemed Harvard, obviously is advised multiple presidents. He's always consulted. Trump still would, you know, I mean, Biden still was talking. talking to him. Obviously, even now, even before these emails came out, we knew about this

relationship with Epstein, but Center for American Progress is still bringing him in for their economic policy plank. He's seen as the ultimate, like serious economic thinker, especially in democratic circles. And so, you know, to have these emails revealed, which are disgusting, let's put the next Harvard Crimson tear sheet up on the screen, which details some of them. So a Somers sought clandestine relationship with woman he called a mentee. Epstein was his, quote, wingman. And Sager used that terminology. Like, that's how they referred to it, right?

That's not our characterization. That was how they refer to this relationship. And so I'll read you a little bit of this. They say in a sequence of text and emails between November 2018 and July 5th, 2019. What happens in July of 2019, Sager? Yeah. Epstein goes to prison. So he's emailing this man right up until he goes to prison.

Summers turned to Epstein for advice on his pursuit of this woman, who he described as a mentee. Epstein was quick to chime in with assurances and suggestions describing himself in one November 2018 message as Summers wingman. Then it explains how they became public. Summers' correspondence with Epstein, a financier who pled guilty to soliciting prostitution for a minor in 2008, ends just one day before Epstein was arrested on new sex trafficking charges. Together, the messages show Summers placing an extraordinary degree of trust in Epstein, asking him for help in navigating a relationship that blurred the boundaries of his professional and personal lives. Again, by the way, Larry Summers married during this entire time.

Summers, who was married since 2005, told Epstein, he thought the woman was reluctant to leave him because she valued his professional connections. Epstein told him in one June 2019 text, she is doomed to be with you. think for now I'm going nowhere with her except economics mentor. Summers wrote, I think I'm right now in the scene very warmly in rearview mirror category. She must be very confused or maybe wants to cut me off but wants professional connection a lot and so holds to it, Summers wrote in a March 2019 exchange explaining why he believed she continued to engage with him despite tensions, which, listen, is also disgusting

that he knows she doesn't really want to be with him romantically, but he has this powerful position and sort of hold on her. So he's using that to maintain the sexual relationship, even though what she really wants is actually just the mentee relationship, is disgusting. Like, that's what he's acknowledging in these emails to Epstein. It's like, that's the hold that he has on her. And that's what he's going to exploit to keep her close. It's like a, I mean, it's like a parody of me too, you know? It's one of those where it's like the, you bring together power the power dynamic. Yeah, right. I mean, God, like, and look, You know, it was a critic and stuff of me, too.

But, like, some of these people are real. Like, some of these creeps, it started for a reason. I mean, I have no other way really to describe it. Put some of the emails. Let's go to B4. Just to show everybody. Let's put it up here on the screen. Again, March of 2019, he says, we talked on the phone.

Then I can't talk later. Didn't think I can talk tomorrow. I said, what are you up to? She said, I'm busy. I said, awfully cool you are. Then I said, did you really rearrange the weekend? We were going to be together because guy number three was coming. She said, no. Is schedule changed after we changed our plans? I said, okay, call me when you feel like a tone was not of good feeling. I didn't want to be in a gift-giving competition while being friends without benefits. This is hilarious in March 2019. How old is he at this point? Like 60 something? Epstein. She's smart, making you pay for past errors. Ignore the daddy. I'm going to go out with motorcycle guy. You reacted well. Dot, dot, dot, dot. Annoyed shows caring. No whining showed strength. I mean, yeah, like this is literally like, I don't know.

It's like teenage behavior, which weird even at that point, but these are 60-year-old men who are, you know, ultra-rich who are also in Larry Summers' case literally married. I mean, I have no idea how we can ever show his face in public ever again. Let's go to the next one, shall we, in terms of the emails. Same thing. You know, this was from Larry Summers to this woman who he was wooing. He said, I wanted to show how grateful I am and have been for your support, also for the support of my father's work. This is what she's saying. I don't say these things often, but I hope is implies.

You know, it's one of those where he is exploiting this relationship and his own past relationship with her father to like try to woo this girl. I mean, this woman, right, at the time. I just think it's really sick. So this is the woman that it appears the messages were about. And so he had this mentee relationship with her. But in addition, her dad is a CCP official. So, you know, I mean, there's just all sorts of layers.

of morally, professionally inappropriate. I mean, it's gross. And then the fact that this man is still was up until this moment so trusted by so many people in power here in D.C. is extraordinary. I can put B6 up on the screen here from Zedjelani. This was the original.

He's deeply ashamed after new Epstein emails and we'll pause public engagement. So there you go. That's the tale of Larry Summers here. But, you know, he's just, emblematic of so many. And, you know, the fact that Epstein had these close relationships with people like him who were held in such high esteem by so many elites and looked you for guidance and wisdom and serious person, blah, blah, blah, is part of how he was able to maintain all of

his, you know, his wealth and his connections and his banking relationships. This is one, one piece because he would, people would, he would use the fact that like, oh, well, Larry Somersdustrauss Well, Bill Gates, trust me. Well, Elon Musk, trust me. So why wouldn't you? And the fact that they all had this cone of silence around it is how it would perpetuated for so, so. And they had no moral standards.

I mean, again, even if somebody was like, hey, man, you know, so and so, he's a good guy. I'm like, yeah, maybe. And then you do a Google search and you see conviction for, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. You know, it's like, it'd be one of those where I'd be like, do you know about this? And if they're like, oh, yeah, but, you know, he said she actually was, you know, She looked 18 or something. I'd be like, oh, bro, like, this is not happening. And even if, so, yeah, they led to downplay,

Alan Dershowitz still out there downplaying it like, oh, you know, the girl was, she was 17, it's just one. They were so harsh on him, blah, blah, blah. But these emails, again, leading up until literally he's arrested, day before he's arrested, and put in prison, this was after Julie K. Brown had done all of her reporting for the Miami Herald about how, no, there were dozens of guns. girls were talking down to what the youngest was like 13. So he got this slap on the wrist,

totally rigged and inappropriate, literally illegal, sweetheart deal. All of that is in the public domain. So even if Larry Summers wanted to be tricked by Epstein's, you know, oh, well, it was just, you know, I hired a prostitute once and I didn't know that she wasn't 18, whatever, which is still disgusting right now. But even if you, you know, wanted to buy that, at this point in time, all every, it's, it's all out there. I mean, I mean, we have learned more over the years, but the general shape and the web of how disgusting this was was out in the public record, and he was still seeking relationship advice for his affair from this man.

Yeah. Just grotesque. Yeah. Again, I mean, they live in a different world than the rest of us, I guess. I don't really have another word for it. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. but it wasn't until 2003 when he was finally caught.

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I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health, and I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone.

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but wanted to start actually with a polling update. Of course, Trump and the Republicans took a lot of pride in the gains that they made with Latino voters, particularly in this election cycle, have really pinned a lot, actually staked a lot, on this realignment of working-class Latino voters towards Republicans. Let's check in on how that's going. Latinos on Trump and immigration, you know, back a year ago, what did we see on the issue of immigration? Latino voters trusted Kamala Harris more than Donald Trump, but by just two points.

One, two. Look now at Donald Trump's net approval rating on immigration among Latinos. He is 38 points underwater. That is a 36 point shift, essentially, from where we were a year ago on immigration. Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are basically tied on the issue of immigration,

and now on the issue of immigration, Latinos despise hate Donald Trump. Trump's not approverating among Latinos. In early February, again, he was just two points underwater. Look at where he is now. Late October, minus 34 points, 34 points underwater, a shift of 32 points over the course of this year. I should point out this is the CBS News, you got poll.

But I was looking at the Averger polls. I was looking at our own poll. Very similar shift, 20, 25, 30-point shifts on the net approval rating away from Donald Trump among Latinos overall. What did we learn from the 2025 elections? I took the highest Latino percentage area in both New Jersey and Virginia, New Jersey.

It was Union City. Look at this, 2024 president of 2025 governor shift. There was a 52. I'm laughing because you never see any numbers like this. A 52-point shift towards Mikey Cheryl from how Kamala Harris did on the margin. Mikey Sherrill ran away with this. Kamala Harris did win that vote, but by a small margin,

Mikey Sherrill did 52 points better. How about in Virginia? Manassas Park. Look at that. A 22-point shift towards Abigail Spanberger from how Kamala Harris did back in 2024. We saw huge Latino shifts in both New Jersey and Virginia. And I think saga that Latinos are one of the biggest swing blocks in America. No question. Democrats really took for granted that, you know, Latino support and also had this very caricaturedish view of what they wanted in terms of, you know, super serving, a soft-on immigration message and that that would be enough to hold them in the coalition forever.

And you and I've been tracking, you know, especially in 2020, you saw these significant shifts down in Texas and Rio Grande Valley. Then you saw in 2024 even more shifts towards Trump. And I think Republicans have somewhat made the mistake of just assuming that like, oh, now they're in our coalition and that's it and nothing is going to change. That's especially true in Texas where a lot of the gerrymandering relies on the Latino swings. That's the biggest mistake. I mean, look, no constituency should be taken for granted. I do also think it's caricaturist to say that it's only about immigration. One of the things that we always said is, yeah, it turns out Latinos are like everybody else.

And in terms of we care about the economy. Actually, we're not all the same. Actually, a Puerto Rican in New York is not the same as a fifth-generation Mexican-ish guy in South Texas. Turns out, yes, we may understand each other's language. We're totally different. We have totally, you know, wants, dreams, whatever. Our entire daily life is distinctly different than also a Cuban or Paraguayan. in South Florida, and then also a Chicano in Los Angeles.

Like, we're all the same, okay? Actually, in that we're all different. That's it. And mostly we basically... We're all the same in that we're all different. Yeah, we are. It's a tautology, but it's true. It's one of those where, yes, we are in a massive country.

We all individually live in our areas where our wants, needs can be, like, ish the same, but the circumstances of our life are very different, and so we generally vote in terms of our own interests. And this is why, remember the Tony Hinchcliff thing, they're like, oh, Puerto Ricans. They're not going to take that. It's like, yeah, actually, they voted overwhelmingly for Trump, and especially down in South Florida. And it's like, yeah, why? Well, because it turns out like they're not like little sissies that can't take a joke.

Again, just like everyone else. So in this case, I think they're net on immigration. In the same way other people are net negative on immigration, they're like, this feels chaotic. That's what it's about. I mean, I would say that they're maybe, just given the real. character of the way the immigration push has been executed with the Kavanaugh stops, the number of U.S. citizens who happen to look Latino or have Latino surnames or whatever, who have been stopped, who have been arrested, who haven't been believed, even when they pull

out their driver's license. Like, I think it probably does hit a little extra if you're Latino and you see the way that people who look like you and, you know, have similar names, have similar ethnic backgrounds are being targeted. Your communities are the ones that are being, you know, most targeted by ICE. Like, I do think that that is, is certainly a significant factor here as well. But in terms of the latest, so, you know, Bovino's crew of Customs and Border Patrol, which are the, you know, we talk about ICE is kind of a catch-all. CBP is actually the most aggressive.

And Bovino has been, he's the one who did the big apartment raid in Chicago. Like, he's been sort of the most wild and has the most, like, militarized sort of forces behind him. He also, in Chicago, and I think this. This is part probably of why they're leaving the city of Chicago at this point. There were a bunch of court orders that came down to really constrain their use of force, in particular their use of tear gas, which had been totally just wild and indiscriminate. We showed you the video here of them like spraying tear gas into a car that was passing by that had a one-year-old strapped into the seat. American citizens, by the way, one-year-old strapped into the seat and they just pepper spray them as they're driving by.

So in any case, there had been a bunch of court orders against him. had to admit in court that he had lied about a number of incidents as well. So they've left Chicago. Now they're in Charlotte. We can put C2 up on the screen. This is from a day ago. I don't know what the update is, but U.S. Border Patrol arrest 81 on first state of Charlotte immigration crackdown. We've seen backlash in the community there. There's, you know, video, similar videos of Chicago coming out of Charlotte. And apparently the idea is to stay there for a relatively short period before heading down to New Orleans. We also have some numbers here about, okay, so, you know, Did they get the bad guys in Chicago?

Was it all worth it? All the, you know, Black Hawk helicopters, zip tying children, pepper spraying near Halloween parades shooting an American citizen who was an activist five times. Was this all worth it? But C3 up on the screen, 2.6%. 16 people on the list of 614 that had to be provided to the court in one of these cases. 2.6% of them had any criminal history at all. I mean, that is so pathetic.

They said, I think in this article or one of the other ones that I read about this, that, you know, normal Chicago PD would in a single weekend come into contact and have dealings with more than 16 people with criminal records. So when they use all this rhetoric about the worst of the worst and, you know, these are the worst people on the planet, this is what we're actually talking about here. barely any of these people had criminal histories in the big apartment raid that they broadcast on social media they were so proud of they put out all this propaganda about used to black hawk military helicopters swoop in um knocked down doors drag out shoulder in the middle of the night american citizens all the rest guess how many people they ended up charging from that zero zero again we were told this building was infested with trendorah trender raga had taken over this building. It was lawless, gang violence. I'm not going to say that there weren't any sort of

crimes being committed in the building because people complained about, you know, drug use and this sorts of thing that was going on. You had a total slum lord who owns the building, who's probably the one who, by the way, who called in ICE. What they were able to actually charge, though, zero people out of this whole thing. So it's very important for people to understand the way that they will routinely lie and misrepresent what they're doing. And there was also Saugger, just a big New York Times piece, backing up other reporting as well, that because DHS has shifted their priorities, the actual, you know, investigations into sex trafficking or human trafficking or drug dealing, those sorts of things have fallen by the wayside so that they can pick up Jose at the Home Depot. I mean, administration doesn't have credibility on this. They haven't had credibility since Seacot, in my opinion.

Yeah. That's painful for me to say, all right? I mean, you know, I like, I want deportation. I want law and order. I still think, you know, broadly, I think criminals and all that should be prioritized, deported. And I mean, yes, it's great. I know the left is now a refound love of deporting criminals and illegals, not that they ever actually wanted to under the Biden administration. But okay, you know, cool that we're now accepting that. It's very frustrating, to be honest, because you're watching the entire credibility of the ideas behind mass deportation or deportation

itself be eroded. This is like an abolish ICE activist dream, to be honest. Like, you know, you have more political credibility than ever before. And the case of immigration restriction will probably be damaged now for generations to come. I think that's very damaging. And I do blame the administration because they're the people who ultimately have to enact this policy. And I think that they've cartoonishly behaved and they're creating more chaos. And so, yeah, I mean, I've just resigned. I'm like, look, I think it's over. Like, I think we've got three and a half years. They'll clownishly, you know, continue this type. And then, you know, do we have the Cernovich tweet?

Yeah, C5. Can we put C5 up here on the screen? This has been sticking in my head. Only, I mean, I've also been saying it. But what he said, Mike is a prominent conservative activist. He says, during a recent visit in D.C., the talk of everyone was how overt the corruption was. It's at levels you read about in history books.

In nearly every department, lots of do people just think Democrats will never win? And they'll all get away with this. And, I mean, I think this is not just about immigration. I think about this broadly with a lot of the administration. And you can make fun. Such a cash grab. You can make fun all you want. There were lots of well-meaning people in the election who voted for legitimate immigration concerns.

And ultimately, you know, the crime for people who use those, you know, to then not only enrich themselves, but do damage to the cause, it's devastating. I mean, it's one of those where, like, look, you know, if you think back for, I don't know, let's say Biden. any, you know, if you believed in those types of politics and then you have a bad leader and a bad administration who does tremendous justice, like that's a, you know, like that's criminal, right? Actually, because it's really a lot of voters and others. And we talked yesterday about the whole Fuentes, like, racialism thing. I mean, they're doing everything in their power to try and basically, like, basically empower this, like, racialist view of the world, basically at this point. Yeah, I mean, it's honestly, like, it's really depressing. Because what it does

show you is how cartoonish, like the behavior here is. And look, I'm not going to deny. They're real people's lives who are also at stake here. I mean, I maintain, even if you're, quote, not a criminal and if you came here illegally, I still think you should be deported. But, you know, good luck making that argument in the future. If people look at Black Hawk helicopters and all this other stuff, they're going to say, at the end of the day, I'm not willing to make that tradeoff. I'll continue to make the case. I still believe it. But if this is the way that it actionable, it's kind of like when people try to defend socialism or whatever. And everyone's always like, well, you know, look at, has it ever worked before, right?

If the practical example that anyone in modern memory can have of this, they're going to be deeply skeptical for generations to come. And I think that, you know, I think my friend Rihon Salam wrote this years ago about Trump and maybe he was right. He wrote it back in 2015. He's like an OG immigration restrictionist. And he was like, I think Trump will do damage to the cause for you. I actually ridiculed him at the time.

I'm like, well, he's the only one who won. And, you know, now he won again. in 2024, but perhaps he's been vindicated in a long run. Interesting. Speaking of that corruption piece, puts C4 up on the screen. It's just cartoon shit.

I mean, it's just crazy. Christy Noam, who loves to do these fucking photo shoots and it's just an embarrassing person in general. Lo and behold, ProPublica, by the way, has been doing some very good reporting. Firm tied to Christy Noam secretly got money from $220 million DHS ad contracts. I mean, what do we even need DHS ads

for to begin with. You guys want to see what these ads look like, and then I can tell you more about the details of this firm and who all is involved with it. Let's go and play C6. This is one of the ads that this firm was involved with creating. Why do I love these wide open spaces? They remind me of why our forefathers came here, not just for its beauty, but for the freedom only America provides. I'm Christy Knoem. From the Cowboys who tamed the West to the Titans who built our cities. To the dreamers who chase the impossible. America has always rewarded vision and grit. Our greatness calls people to us for a chance to prosper, to live how they choose, to become part of something special. Anyone who searches for freedom can always find a home here,

but that freedom's a precious thing, and we defend it vigorously. You cross the border illegally, we'll find you. Break our laws. We'll punish you. Harm American citizens, there will be consequences. But if you come here the right way, your American dream can be as big as these endless guys. From President Trump and me, welcome home. Okay, so her little dress-up deal. I'd notice some of these ads.

That's a little weird. A little weird. Yeah, well, because on Fox News in particular, they'd be like, you need to leave. And I was like, how many illegals are watching Fox News? I mean, I'm only watching Fox News because I have to for work, right? Do you really think that some ad of Christina I'm in a horse is like going to change your decision about where I mean it's just it's a total

vanity project she like probably many others wants to run for president I assume and so this is a way they flooded the big beautiful bill flooded DHS and ice with just insane amounts of cash and so this is the type of shit that they're doing with it this little ad campaign which by the way so to again $220 million they kept one beneficiary of the nine-figure ad deal a secret, according to ProPublica. Records and interviews show a Republican consulting firm with longstanding personal and business ties to Noem and her senior aides at DHS. The company running the Mount Rushmore shoot called the Strategy Group does not appear on public documents about the contract. The main recipient listed on the contracts is a mysterious Delaware company,

which was created days before the deal was finalized. No firm has closer ties to Noam's political operation in the Strategy Group played a central role in her 22, South Dakota gubernatorial campaign Corey Lewandowski, who is not only her top advisor at DHS, which is the part they put in here, is also her rumored boyfriend, has worked extensively with the firm, and the company's CEO is married to Noam's chief spokesperson, Trisha McLaughlin. So there you go. Strategy Group's ad work is the first known example of money flowing from Noam's agency to businesses controlled by her allies and friends. And, you know, there's there's this no secret why they decided to hide this because it is blatantly and clearly disgustingly corrupt and just, you know, total cash grab at

every level of this administration. And it's true, you know, I keep thinking about Steve Bannon telling, I don't remember what conference he was at. He was like, you know, if the Democrats get back in power, some of us are going to prison. Now, I don't think, you know, Bannon's already been to prison. I'm not aware of him committing any new crime. So he's not at the top of my list. Like, yes, this level of corrupt dealing, it should be punished. The level of lawlessness, like when crimes are broken, I do think that some of these officials should fear for their freedom after this administration is through. Because I can tell you, the Democratic base is going to be looking for a candidate in

28 who is willing to say Stephen Miller and Christy Noem should be in jail. I mean, you know, can't say you weren't warned. And yes, if you cartoonishly disregard the law, I mean, in Kirstie Noem's case or Stephen Miller, even if my opinion is what's going to happen is Trump on his way out will do the Hunter Biden thing, the preemptive pardon for any and all, whatever. And so, no, I don't think anybody's going to prison. But whenever it comes to investigations in interim, what a lot of people don't know is that the government doesn't pay, let's say, for your legal fees, like when you get called before Congress, especially if it's on a private matter. And so many officials, this happened in

the Clinton administration, this happened in the first Trump. administration, you'll remember, I said this during Doge. I was like, man, I hope you guys are, uh, you know, Elon will be fine. He's rich. Everybody else. I'm like, you better lawyer up because when the Dems come calling in the House Oversight Committee with subpoenas, these guys charge like $1,000 an hour. And sometimes they can take a 12, 15 hours for transcripts and for interviews and you need a council in the room that entire time or when you're calling before like that level, look, it's, that's what, that's how government has worked now basically since. a Kennett Star affair. Like every time the opposition party, no matter who it is, is in power,

they try to do investigations and subpoena power and all that. And yes, there's a huge political incentive. So if you're, see, Chrissy Nome, I think she'll probably figure it out donors. If you're Trisha McLaughlin or like one of the junior people, those are the ones where I'm like, I would be very worried if I were you. Or, you know, some of these ice guys who were out on the street, like just because Steve Miller or Greg Bovina or whatever told you to do it, doesn't mean that you're totally protected. I mean this actually dubbed it. into the Venezuela segment we're about to do. Where some of these military service members

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