Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 11/19/25: Trump Meets MBS, MTG Calls Trump Traitor, Epstein Pursued Rothschild Bank, Obama Official Laments Holocaust Education

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

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Big show, big show. Yes. Because Mohammed bin Salman was at the White House. yesterday and in a very newsy series of pressers. So there was the dinner that we are going to break down for everyone, but also his appearance of the Oval Office with Donald Trump, where Trump fielded questions from reporters. They stroked each other's hands. They sure did. No fist bumps. Right. Yeah. No bro-show bumps for those two. Terrorist fist jab. Isn't that what, that was Obama and Michelle? They live for the handshake. They live for the handshake. They live for the

handshake, that's right. And Ryan, new Epstein reporting from DropSite. Yes. Yesterday, the House voted almost unanimously, right, to force the administration to release Epstein files that will now that fight moves over to the Senate at Dropstein. Dropstein. Drop site. Not the first time that's happened. Yes. We have new reporting that is difficult to describe without sounding like a lunatic, but it's all based in real documents and correspondence between Epstein and others. And we'll We'll break some of that down. The media continues to find its blinders on when it comes to trying to figure out what it was Epstein did for a living. It's great for drops though.

They just can't figure it out. It's such a mystery. They're leaving it wide open for you guys. Let's not look in the documents and in the correspondents to figure it out because who can say what he did? It's too tough. Who could say? Who would want to do that level of journalism, right? We could say, stick around.

We'll talk about that. The economy continues to be in a. very confusing state of like stasis and collapse at the same time. We'll talk about new data showing that more than half of homes are now losing value, which is the first time that's happened since 2012. You've got Home Depot warning. And you've got places like Kava and others flashing warning signs that the consumer economy is crumbling, new hires collapsing, yet the stock market booming, data centers are getting built. The AI bubble continues to inflate. So who knows how that ends. We'll see. Truly. Yeah, it's another mystery. Another mystery.

All right. We'll also be talking about the protests in Mexico City, not just Mexico City, mostly Mexico City, breaking those down. There's been some coverage of them that doesn't quite get it right. So we're going to try to do a better job explaining what the heck is going on in Mexico. And then, Ryan, we have Van Lathen on the show. Yes, Van Lathen, friend of the show. Huge fan of breaking points. We're huge fans of his. So he's going to join us to talk about Chi Ose, who is launching a primary challenge to Hakeem Jeffries and the kind of surprising turn of events that Zoran Mamdani and AOC are not in at all and actually kind of pushing back. Like, no, it's not the time to challenge the caucus, the Democratic leader. Yeah, this will be a good one.

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Yeah, so back in September, Israel decided to bomb Doha, where Hamas was gathered to deliberate about the latest peace agreement that Donald Trump had sent to them. That bombing quickly led to the United States making an offer to Qatar that they would be basically a NATO-ish, non-NATO ally. which meant that if Israel did that again, according to the terms of this agreement, the U.S. would then have to attack Israel. Or if anybody attacked the country, we would attack them in response. There are now two countries that have gotten non-NATO agreements out of the decision by Israel to bomb NATO, because as soon as we offered that to Doha, everyone else in the region was like, wait a minute, hold on. It's like when you start inviting cousins to the wedding. It's like, oh, wow, this is, there are going to be a lot of cousins getting non-NATO agreement.

So here's Trump last night inviting another cousin to the wedding. Tonight I'm pleased to announce that we're taking our military cooperation to even greater heights by formally designating Saudi Arabia as a major non-NATO ally, which is something that is very important to them. and I'm just telling you now for the first time because I wanted to keep a little secret for tonight, I just heard him say, oh, that's nice. That's another point you won today. And signing a historic strategic defense agreement,

which we just signed a little while ago. So congratulations. It's our time. And so this followed the earlier Oval Office meeting between MBS and Trump with this kind of mutual humiliation ritual, although it wasn't really humiliating on Trump's side, because I don't think he's capable of humiliation.

But certainly, I think if your MBS is, the entire thing was humiliating start to finish, yet he's going to walk out with, you know, pretty much everything he wants, including getting exonerated for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. In it, MBS promised he's going to do up to a trillion dollar, a nice round number, a trillion dollars in investment in the United States. How are people on the right responding to try,

Trump making another deal with another country that says we will commit our American military to defend this country also in the event of any upcoming conflict. Honestly, I haven't seen much reaction. They're like whatever. It's like everyone right now is focused on the infighting. There hasn't been much reaction to this major foreign policy announcement. The Twentz-Tucker stuff is still like broiling. It's still going.

But I think also people see Trump, people on the right. see Trump as this like peacemaker and deal maker exactly as he casts himself and sort of ascribe to him this level of trust. Like he knows it, you know, the sort of attitude is he knows what he's doing or the postures. He knows what he's doing. He's, you know, just currying favor in a way that creates peaceful conditions. And that's probably the best summary of an average person on the right looking at what was happening. Because you made an interesting point where he says humiliating for MBS. but I know we have the 9-11 clip that it was addressed in the Oval Office yesterday, of course.

Well, why not? And you could argue that you flipped this around. It's humiliating for the United States as well. Oh, complete and total humiliation where we have our president who knows better lying about whether or not the guy killed somebody, and not just somebody, an American columnist for the resident columnist for the Washington Post. He also is giving them a whole bunch of F-35s and a bunch of tanks. Thanks. And that has been a big source of contention. That has been a major desire of Saudi Arabia. Why? Like, what are they going to do with these F-35s? It's just you're the richest country on the planet. Like, you want what you can't have. They couldn't have F-35s. So they want the F-35s. You got to get those F-35s. Got to get the F-35s. The Red Rider BB gun of defense products. And so an ABC News reporter pressed him on the assassination of Khashoggi, who was chopped at

pieces with a bone saw in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Let's play that in the reaction. Does Trump blow him all away? That's on the league, Mr. Preston. And Trump doesn't give a fist pump. I grabbed that hand. I don't give it hell where that hand's been. I grabbed that hand.

He's done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about, whether you like him or didn't like him, things happened, but he knew nothing about it. And we can leave it at that. You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question like that. It's really painful to hear, you know, anyone that has been losing his life for, you know, no real purpose or not an illegal way. And it's been painful for us in Saudi Arabia.

We've did all the right steps of investigation, et cetera, in Saudi Arabia, and we've improved our system to be sure that nothing happened like that and it's painful and it's a huge mistake and you're doing our best that this doesn't happen again i'm very proud of the job he's done what he's done is incredible in terms of human rights and everything else and he's the crown prince the future king couldn't stop laughing that like he like mbs like did he just burst into like a wide like cheshire cat grin it looked like when he said he's done an incredible job with human rights. Did he say that it was a mistake that happened, that they carved him into pieces? So it is something to that here. Let me find the verbatim quote. And while you're

looking for that, Bob Woodward posted last night, he's like, I interviewed Trump January of 2020 about this exact thing. Trump said, I've gotten involved very much. I know everything about the whole situation. He's talking about Khashoggi. So what happened, sir, I asked. I saved his ass, Trump said, that's what happened. Saved whose ass. MBS, Trump said. They were coming down on him very strongly, but I was able to get Congress to leave him alone. I was able to get them to stop. You know, I'm very friendly with those guys. The CIA has looked into this. Turkish intelligence has looked as everybody who has looked into this has concluded definitively that Saudi Arabia, MBS ordered the killing that a hit squad was flown into Istanbul. They lured him into that office. They injected

him with some tranquilizing device. And then they used a bone saw, chopped him to pieces, and then dissolved his body and took it back to the residence. Like, this was not a mistake. This was not something slipping through the cracks. And this is a very long block, so I won't. linger on my personal connection to this for too long, but I had, I had lunch with him. With Khashoggi. With Khashoggi, a couple weeks before he was killed. And he was actually because he was writing for the Washington Post, but they weren't publishing his columns very frequently. And so he wanted to start writing for us as well, so that he could publish more more frequently. Yeah, more frequently because we were known as pretty adversarial to

the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the UAE and the other factors. here. And actually, a friend of mine had, so he was in Istanbul. He then flew to London over the weekend. My friend had lunch with him that weekend right before he went to the consulate. And I said to him, you sure you want to go to the consulate? He's like, he's like, no. They have assured me. I just need this paperwork for my wedding. It's going to be fine. So he goes into the consulate with his wife, his fiancee, staying outside. He's in there for a couple hours. She reaches out. to a mutual friend of ours, who then calls me. And it's like, Jamal's been in the consulate now for too long,

and I'm starting to get nervous. And I did something I really hadn't done before. I reached out to Kushner, who I had been in touch with for stories. And I made sure to phrase it in a journalistic way. Right. But I was like, hey. Which it was. Yeah.

Hey, Jared, I'm hearing from, you know, Jamal's. Mawal's fiancee that he went into the consulate and has not emerged. You know, can you see if you can confirm anything about this? I know you're in touch with MBS. Maybe like to see what you can find out about this. Got the double check on WhatsApp. He had responded in the past, didn't respond to this. And I sent a couple more hearing this, hearing this, hearing this, hearing this.

And then we immediately started writing stories like that this guy's missing. Went around the Senate. You heard anything? People said, no, hadn't heard anything. And then it was several days later that it finally emerged, that he'd been killed. And so I know for certain that Kushner know, like, while it was happening, that it was happening. What he did, we don't know. Like, did he reach out to MBS and say, hey, there's a Washington Post columnist who went into your consulate and hasn't come out.

What's going on with that? I don't know. We don't know. He's never been pressed on that. it's which is rather rather staggering um Saudi Arabia kind of laid low for a while nobody in Washington almost everybody in Washington walked away from them they some firms you know stayed but almost all the firms like dropped them and they were they they became a pariah and toxic for a while Biden even in the campaign called them a pariah but you know money talks and they're back

um and now they're a non-nado ally with and Trump is doing In some ways, it's humiliating, but in other ways, it's just a blunt way out. It's like, you know what? We're not going to overlook that he did this. We're just going to deny it. We'll be like, you know, he didn't do that. Don't embarrass our guests. Don't embarrass our guests.

Saying that to the press. Right. By the way, it reminded me of when a reporter was going after Zelensky's outfit, which is, you'd think that would fall under the not embarrassing our guest umbrella. What about MBS's outfit? That's not a suit. Right. Yes, that's a good point. No tie? The MBS quote yesterday was, quote, it's painful and it's a huge mistake. So you're right. The word is exactly what was invoked.

Quote, about the journalist. It's really painful to hear anyone that has been losing his life for no real purpose or not in a legal way. It was a mistake. You know, bureaucratic error. He wanted documents in order to make sure that he could get married. they thought he wanted to be chopped into pieces. These kinds of mistakes happen. Yeah. We should also mention, Ryan, that Adnan Khashoggi, who was Jamal Khashoggi's uncle on his father's side, was in a financial relationship with Jeffrey Epstein,

as far as everyone can tell, and was involved in Iran-Contra. Yeah. Yeah, was involved in Iran-Contra. And I believe actually one of Trump's yachts in the 1980s had originally been commissioned by Adnan Khashoggi. I think it's also true that the Lady Galane was originally, was commissioned by Adnan Khashoggi, wild confluence of relationships. Yeah, and Jamal was a very highly regarded journalist, but he was basically a, he didn't, he was, let's not

pretend that he was like some like hardcore champion of freedom and democracy and human rights. He was allied with MBN, who was MBS's rival. And MBS was actually closer to the CIA. MBS was close to the UAE and Israel, and they managed to, like, jump over MBN and make MBS the crown prince. And that put Khashoggi on the outs. So this was, we're talking about an kind of inter-royal family factional dispute here, more than we're talking about something on principle, although, you know, once he, what you find is that dissidents will use the arguments that are useful to them. Of course. And so he would make the

arguments, those arguments on behalf of values of liberalism and freedom. Right. And Trump, of course, is not a novice in this space. He's been involved in these types of deals and relationships going back quite a long time. Interesting that it was also happening against the backdrop of the Epstein file release, which we will get to in one moment as well. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the son of Sam, available now.

Listen for free on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health. And I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone.

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It's about energy, confidence, and connection. We don't just want you to live longer. We want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. What up, y'all? It's your boy, Kevin on stage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who had massive success. about their massive failures.

What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it? I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show. Boo. Somebody had tomatoes.

I'm kidding. But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes. Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget. We bumped our head. We made a mistake. The deal fell through.

We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down, they were kind of like, we got into the small talk, and they were just like, so what do you got? What? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no. What? Check out not my best moment with me, Kevin on stage on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. So speaking about freedoms, Donald Trump responded to this exchange about the killing of an American journalist by telling the American, the American journalists who asked about it,

that maybe they should have their license revoked for asking about it. Let's roll this one. Why wait for Congress to release the Epstein files? Why not just do it now? It's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions.

You start off with a man who's highly respected, asking him a horrible, insubordinate, and just a terrible question. And you could even ask that same exact, question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody sikes you over at ABC. You're going to psych. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter. I'll tell you something. I think the license should be taken away from ABC because your news is so fake and it's so wrong. And we have a great commissioner, the chairman, who should look at that. Maybe Barry Weiss could run ABC too. How about that?

if that merger would get approved. But hey, probably. Why not? Why not? Yeah. Just BC. There you go. It's called BC. Just called BC. Broadcasting. Yeah. Barry broadcasting. BBC. And she can take over the BBC because of the controversy that they're having over there with Trump, too. You're coming up with all the solutions. She can have them all. Yeah. I mean, we should just let you run the media. No, I don't think. Barry's got it under control. So speaking of embarrassing the guest, um, awkward. But, uh, he got pressed on

Saudi Arabia's role in 9-11, also, let's roll that one. I feel painful about, you know, the families of 9-11 in America. But, you know, we have to focus on reality. Reality, based in CIA documents and based on lots of documents, that Osama bin Laden, he used Saudi people in that event for one main purpose, is to destroy this relation, to destroy the American-Sadi relation. That's the purpose of 9-11. So whoever buying that, that means they are helping Osama al-Belan purpose of destroying this relation.

He knows that strong relation between America and Saudi Arabia, it's bad for extremism. It's bad for terrorism. And we have to approve him wrong and to build our relation, continue developing our relationship. It's critical in the safety of the world. It's a critical against extremism and terrorism. Strike you as an innocent man there? Just hands totally clean. When he was saying it's bad for tourism,

That's a good one. It was for a little while. Oh, yeah. Actually, it was 9-11, I guess, certainly the Khashoggi killing was bad for tourism for a little while. Yeah, I mean, he's not wrong about it. But now they're back, comedy fests and the... That's right. It's all back.

Yeah. Trump also made an argument that, I guess, his tariffs are making America great again because Saudi Arabia is investing heavily in the United States to build its manufacturing base. That's role A5. Many areas in technology, in AI, in air materials, magnet, et cetera, that will create a lot of investment opportunities. So you are doing that now, you're saying to me now that the $600 billion will be $1 trillion. Definitely, because what we are signing it will facilitate that. I like that very much.

No, that's great. I appreciate that. That's great. No, we're doing numbers that nobody's ever done. And in all fairness, if you didn't see potential in the U.S., you wouldn't be doing that. You don't want to lose money. We use tariffs to bring all this money in, and you're going to see the results in a year when these plants start to open up. We have more plants under construction now than at any time in the history of our country.

And these are big plants. These are the biggest plants anywhere in the world. And the backdrop here is that Trump has been pressuring Saudi Arabia to normalize relations with Israel. Saudi Arabia has continued to say, you've got to give us something on Palestinian statehood. We cannot do it without it. Roll a little bit of the exchange on the Abraham Accords here at say six. I believe having a good relation with all these countries, it's a good thing. And we want to be part of the Abraham Accord.

But we want also to be sure that we secure a clear path of two-state solution. And today we have a healthy discussion with Mr. President that we've got to walk on that. to be sure that you can prepare the right situation as soon as possible to have that. I think we're, you know, I don't want to use the word commitment, but we've had a very good talk of the Abraham Accords. We talked about one state, two states. You know, we talked about a lot of things in a short period of time. We'll be discussing it further, too. But I think you have a very good feeling for the Abraham Accords.

Yes, definitely, Mr. President. We want peace for the Israelis. We want peace for the Palestinians. We want them to coexist peacefully in the region. And we will do all this to reach that day. And the defense agreement, have you reached an agreement on that? We pretty much have. So as you can hear from him, even the second time that Trump says, like, you've got a really warm feeling towards the Abraham Accords, though, right?

He was like, well, as long as there's peace and coexistence with the Palestinians, like that is still, for domestic and regional reasons, a line that MBS is not able to cross. I think MBS personally, like if it were up to him, he doesn't care. he'd be happy to join the Abraham Accords and strike an endless business and political deals with Israel and just ignore the fact of the Palestinians but he just he knows that you that he cannot do that he just he doesn't have it the regional the regional and domestic politics just simply won't allow it and if you're just listening to this by the way and you're not seeing the clips what you're missing is trump literally slapping MBS on the knee they were playing with each other's hands at one point because they went in for a fist bump,

but Trump said he doesn't do fist bumps. It was a level of friendliness that you would rarely see between a president and any foreign leader, let alone the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. And it's friendliness in it, but it's also Trump's kind of little ribbing, bullying style that he has.

Because MBS, as you can tell, is a very awkward figure. And so Trump kind of knee-slapping him and pushing him around. It's like, he knows he's, He's kind of pushing MBS out of his comfort zone a little bit, and it's kind of an alpha dog thing that he's doing. Oh, that's interesting. That's an interesting psychological reading.

That's my reading, yeah. That is interesting, though. Now, they had this dinner last night. Did you see this, or Cristiano Ronaldo was there? Oh, yes, I heard that he was there. And the dinner is where they announced that they're going to become a major, you know, non-NATO ally. Right. Yeah, Trump rolled out that announcement.

He had horses for them, set up camels, yeah. What else would you do? But yes, that was announced just last night. Trump made it clear. That's where we were going with the relationship. And this was a, I mean, again, you can understand why, but it was a packed dinner. Elon Musk was there. Rinaldo.

A lot of money there. Cabinet officials, Howard Lattnick, those types of people. Yes, lots and lots of money there. Red carpet was rolled out, to say the least, for M.B. us yesterday. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight.

So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts. wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health,

and I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true.

Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health. from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about. It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between. Men's health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence, and connection.

We don't just want you to live longer. We want you to live better. so check out the mailroom on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows on an all new episode of iHeart radios las cultureistas emmy golden clove and tony award winner sarah paulson spills on red carpet hacks we saw these pictures and you're like what is the story with this she gets real about the inspiration behind her roles oh no there is no end to how people will behave and she puts host matt rogers and bow and yag on notice i don't think so honey i feel very very triggered by this.

Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Lust Cultureista. And listen to the full podcast now. So a good friend of MBSs, by the way, was financier and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. Wow. Jeffrey Epstein was the subject of a vote yesterday in the House of Representatives. We can roll a Marjorie Taylor Green, who has now been denounced by President Trump. embraced by some Democrats, held a press conference with Epstein victims outside of Congress.

Here's Marjorie Taylor Green. I was called a traitor by a man that I fought for five, no, actually six years for. And I gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first election without his endorsement beating eight men in a primary. And I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him. for the policies and for America first, and he called me a traitor for standing with these women and refusing to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me tell you what a traitor is. A traitor is an American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is an American that

serves the United States of America and Americans like the women standing behind me. And I want to tell you that this only became possible today because the American people whom we serve as representatives here in Congress demanded that this vote happened, and they put more pressure on every single elected politician in this city than has ever been put on them. And today you are going to see probably a unanimous vote in the House to raise to release the Epstein files, but the fight, the real fight will happen after that. So I think, Emily, that that's true, that the public did put enormous pressure on these representatives, including by electing, you know, Adelaidelli to Oralva and, you know, getting

218 signatures on the discharge petition and forcing Trump's hand to the point where he said, you know what, just everybody should just vote for this point. Is that right, you think, like that this was a real kind of a rare dub for the people? Yeah, I mean, I absolutely think so. People may remember before the August recess, on this show I covered talking to a bunch of Republican congressmen on the hill. It was just a couple of days before recess. And I was asking them, are you expecting to get questions about Epstein? Because at the time, Trump's line, and he's still using this now to some extent, but his line was this is all a distraction.

this is a Democrat hoax to get you to not focus on the one big beautiful bill and all of that and I actually didn't get that response from Republican congressmen that I talked to who were saying no we fully expect to hear

from our constituents about Jeffrey Epstein and so I think that's exactly what happened I think Trump learned that it wasn't going anywhere the issue wasn't going anywhere he saw that could not control the people like Marjorie Taylor Green going all over media it just would not die away

and I think Trump believed he had more control over the base and he does have a lot of control over the base but this is an issue that just absolutely embodies what people see as the swamp and that you can't kind of hand wave it away and so

while people may be willing to like bend over backwards and exonerate Donald Trump and say well he's you know nothing to do with Epstein they are not willing to do that with Epstein overall say go away like this doesn't matter and so I think genuinely their Republicans realized it wasn't just Marjor Taylor Green going on you know all the like the view it was actually also that you had congressmen saying we're going to have to vote for this discharge petition we can't be voting against

this discharge petition and I think when Trump realized where the numbers were going it was a cost-benefit analysis. He was like, well, the cost of whatever comes out is worth the benefit to these guys of having to take the vote at this point. Yeah, and for Trump to hold on this long really makes you wonder, like, what is he worried about is in there?

Because he knows better than anybody that for years the Republican base was told the world government is being run by a secret cabal of predator pedophiles. then you catch one and you're told well never mind that's not going to fly

right no no and it didn't if you hadn't spent years telling them that they were run by a cabal of pedophiles then maybe you catch one pedophile who's in the cabal

and you can get away with like oh never mind just a hoax let this one go right no no no no no no no we're going to pull on this string. Yeah. And what I mean, the incentive, the explanation for why you have Democratic presidents and Republican presidents, during the swamp presidents and whatever the Biden presidency was, defending or pushing back on disclosure is because the one incentive that ties them together

is protecting the intelligence community. And so that explains, I think, the reluctance on both with their parts. I mean, it's not just Bill Clinton and Donald Trump having friendly relationships with Jeffrey Epstein. It's something deeper than that, which is why I also think Trump realizes, and I say this with no pleasure at all, but that they have some amount of control over what is actually going to be released. He controls the government right now. And I don't know if you agree with this or not. Seems to me anything that would actually function as a smoking gun where you have Jeffrey Epstein in writing saying, I trafficked girls as blackmail to change foreign policy and make money in the process. Like if you have that in writing, it has been destroyed or it will

not be released. Or it's been unalived. The person who could say that has been unaligned. Yes. Yes. And so it's obvious that you can. The other person who could say that is getting, you know, kid glove treatment now and minimum security prison. There you go. And so the Epstein story is not going away. So there's two possibilities. You can either look like you're for disclosure or you can look like you're for stonewalling, but those are the only two options. Yeah. And so speaking of stonewalling, one method they're going to use is, well, this is all a matter of national security. So let's roll Speaker Mike Johnson here. DoJ or the FBI has already reviewed it and determined it is not credible. It is false information. Doing this and requiring this to come out could ruin the

reputations of completely innocent people, such as those who may just have known Epstein but knew nothing of his crimes or whose names he exploited. Think of this, innocent people, whose names he exploited and used to try to get close to his intended victims. Their names may be in these files, and they had nothing to do with this. And so by just haphazardly releasing it, you're going to destroy their reputations. I mean, look, I think it is fine to say just because your name is in these emails does not mean that you are a bad person. In fact, I don't know if you noticed this. My former colleague, Akbar Ahmed, his name was in an exchange between Bannon and Epstein.

But it was, I think Bannon was sending an article that Akbar had written at the Huffington Post. And Epstein said his name sounds like an S&L skit. And Bannon replied, quote, very gay, Pakistani. So look, he's in there. VGP. He's in there. I told him you should put that on a t-shirt. Yes. But that doesn't mean that he was involved in the predator ring. Right. There's plenty of names in there of people who are innocent. Right. And if that's, if that's you, don't worry about it. You're going to be fine. Like, it's only if you're connected to the crimes. Like a lot of people's names, a lot of people have had some problems, you know,

that they've gotten attention that they have wanted because they've been in these emails. Right, Larry Summers. But Larry Summers was like not cheating on his wife. Okay, that's between consenting, adults, fine, whatever. He was favorably treating a top Chinese Communist Party official who was a key, like, royal figure in the CCP with power over the Belt and Road initiative. in order to get in his daughter's pants. So that becomes an actual matter of public concern because he's trading U.S. policy

or whatever levers he has in order for his own personal gain. So that we can be disgusted by. And sorry, Mike Johnson, that your friend Larry Summers is going to suffer a little bit because of this. Like maybe he shouldn't have done those things. and so I think this like this thing from Johnson and everybody else but both parties who's doing it think of the innocent people like no the innocent people are the ones that were behind Marjorie Taylor Green outside of Congress the victims of obscene the innocent people if your name is in those emails and you didn't do anything wrong fine but if your name is in the emails and you were trading you know your power as a U.S. official to try to sleep with a Chinese Communist Party official's daughter, and sorry if that's going to cause you a few days of bad press.

And maybe the Open AI Board meeting for you next time is a little bit uncomfortable. I mean, there will be quote-unquote innocent people. I mean, if you were running in these circles at all and you had any possibility of having your name come up, even if it was in the most innocent of way, like at minimum, it will be a headache. So I'm sure people are expecting a headache, maybe legal headache. And then maybe in their own personal lives, like there was the department store air family who he was the one who said, Jeffrey helped me here. Is he a hooker? Is she a hooker? Did you see that? I know that was a good

one. So obviously he was exposed. Maybe his wife already knew it. Maybe not. But he was exposed for his adultery. So that's probably probably more to come. And I would hope that everyone is relatively judicious as they go through the files and journalists reach out for comment and all of that. But I think Ryan generally you're correct that if you didn't do anything wrong, you should be able to explain what exactly happened, why you were in this conversation, why your name came up. Maybe you're a journalist whose article was being passed around. There you go. Just have to have faith in the truth. There you go.

And meanwhile, we didn't want to let the show pass without the one of the funniest headlines that we've ever seen. We put up the next element, the headline. Jared Kushner invited Jeffrey Epstein to party with Trump and Harvey Weinstein in 2013. Hell of a party. That would have been. Eish. Yeah. Well, this was for the New York Observer.

And so it was an invitation from the company. He used to own the New York Observer newspaper. Right. Right. And they put, you know, Cush. sure in his business partner's name on the bottom of it, but the guest list was ridiculous. It was like Blake Lively, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein. It was like celebrities, New York people. It was like to celebrate the anniversary of their New York Observer in New York, if I'm

remembering correctly. But yeah, that's, that happened. It's just whatever, because it's like Trump and Harvey Weinstein have been partying with celebrities for decades. Yeah. Trump has been a celebrity just because he hangs out with famous people, you know, up until he became president. Like, there was no reason why he was a celebrity. Right. It's a real estate developer. It's like, what's going on here? But he hung out, he was famous, so he hung out with famous people. Weinstein, famous hung out with famous people. And Epstein was at the center of, Epstein seems to be one of the best connected people on the planet from what we can tell from his emails. So would not be surprising in 2013 if you're

Jerry Cushner that you'd want to invite Epstein to this thing. Bearing in mind, this is four years after his conviction for the underage prostitution thing. So it shows you that what types of things these elite circles are willing to overlook. And, Rain, as we now talk about new drop site reporting, I do want to say that the estate emails, in addition to the hacked emails that you all have been working through at drop site, expose so plainly in ways that I think normally you have to like dig deep into the analysis of like history books to fully wrap your head around and a lot of it is you know cold war history that we'd see up close like we're seeing right now in these emails just the plain casual banal corruption and geopolitical maneuvering from the emails over emails that are riddled with typos and unsurious grammatical effort, and it's just all there for us to see. And it is really, it's jarring.

I mean, it's not surprising, but just seeing it up close in writing is jarring. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.

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We want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. What up, y'all? It's your boy, Kevin on stage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Month, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers. creators, friends, people I admire who had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it? I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show.

Boo. Somebody had tomatoes. I'm kidding. But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes. Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget. We bumped our head. We made a mistake. The deal fell through. We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down, they were kind of like, we got into the small talk. And they were just like, so what do you got? What? What ideas?

And I was like, oh, no. What? Check out Not My Best Moment with me, Kevin on stage on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Yes, if you're somebody who's curious about how this world really works, the release of all these documents has been a gift in that sense. Because it really does open a window into a world that is intended to be kept away from the public of the people who are actually making the decisions that shape the world that we live in. And we have one of those stories at DropSight News yesterday. We can put this element of the sooner to recommend everybody go read this if you can. Headline makes you sound like a crazy person.

Jeffrey Epstein pursued Swiss Rothschild Bank to finance Israeli cyberweapons empire And yeah, let's pause for a second I was like as we're doing the reporting You report what you have, not what you want And as we're going through it, I'm like Could he have used a bank other than Rosschild? Any other bank?

It's like he's trying to make us look like lunatics Yeah The Ross Childs were for centuries, you know, For centuries, you know, major financiers in Europe, they really faded over the last, you know, decades and century plus, but are still a dominant financial institution in France and in Switzerland in particular. And particularly in Switzerland, they are among a bunch of banks that were, in fact, under investigation by the Department of Justice for their willingness to engage in the kind of secrecy that is very helpful to people who are moving drugs, moving weapons, working

with sanctioned individuals to finance projects, and Epstein worked with all of those kinds of people. And so this is the kind of bank that is very helpful to them. So I'll go through just some of the reporting here, but 11 days before Epstein was found dead. There was this report in Bloomberg that he had met with Arian de Rothschild, who is now the CEO of the Edmund de Rothschild group, which is basically what the bank is called now. At the time, the bank is like, it's not true. They had no relationship.

Since then, there's been some Wall Street Journal reporting on their relationship that showed that actually there was a little bit of a relationship, so that wasn't quite accurate. What we can show is that the relationship was very, very deep. And just how Debel have some follow-up reporting as well. But for now, what we can say is that when Ehud Barak left as a minister of defense in Israel in 2013, he immediately was sought out by European banks as kind of a rainmaker.

Like they knew that he was going to start working with oligarchs all over the world to set up companies. And they wanted to be in the middle of that stream. And so he cuts a deal, I think he was Julius Bear Bank, and Epstein then quickly hears from somebody at the Rothschild Bank saying, just saw that Ehud Barak was scooped up by this competitor too bad, because we actually would have liked to work with him, which shows you a bunch of different things, one of which the banking world knew at that time that if they wanted to reach out to Ehud Barak, who was former Prime Minister of Israel, for some type of relationship, the guy to go through was Jeffrey Epstein. At the same time, we report

that Epstein, that Rothschild, because they were facing this Department of Justice investigation, needed new counsel. He went out and found an attorney for them. Like, on behalf of the Rothschild Bank, he reached out to Catherine Rumler, who was a top lawyer in the Obama administration, and she ended up representing the bank, and that is a matter of public record. She negotiated a non-prosecution agreement. She's at Goldman now, and she was also in these conversations that Michael Wolf has released, where there's a public relations strategizing bowl session, basically between Steve Bannon and Michael Wolf, Jeffrey Epstein, and Catherine Rumler. Right, right.

And so, you know, she was also, Epstein also connected her with Gates. when Epstein was trying to build. Basically, he was trying to... Epstein, it seems like he was trying to take over the giving pledge and move it into a new donor-advised fund and be the man behind the strings. That never really completely got off the ground. What he...

What the... So then Epstein ends up connecting Barack and Arian de Rothschild. And we have some just absolutely wild quotes in here. We can put up some of these... While I'm talking, you can just kind of roll through the different elements of emails that people can pause on those and read them. But so in one of the notes, Epstein writes to Ehou, Barak, a message from Arian de Rostschild,

where he says, and he's so he's basically paraphrasing Arian, he says, she says to Aihud, if Ahud wants to make serious money, he will have to build a relationship with me, take time so that we can truly understand one another, unquote. And so then Barack says he's going to defer to Epstein and you're going to love why. I'm ready, he wrote, but I need your advice re how. Ladies is your forte. Can't argue that. He then he then gives him some advice that is actually, you know, pretty decent. He's like, just be dependable and reliable. and, you know, show up when you're supposed to show up. And this will work for her.

And so they spend the next couple, you know, months and years, kind of building this relationship. What Epstein basically wants to do is to create a fund of funds that will allow, that will create a vehicle that will allow all sorts of money from outside to flow through the Swiss Bank and then finance a who, Barack's, you know, growing empire of cyber weapons companies, which, you know, they don't call them cyber weapons when they're talking to directly to Rothschild, but when they're talking to each other, they're talking about offensive cyber operations. And read the story to get all the different, you know, details of it. But Barack, over the years, does end up building, you know, some of the key critical cyber technology, both offensive and defensive that. exist today, and including some of the companies that are everywhere in the entire backbone

of our internet today. So this, it's like, it's hard to overstate just how influential, you know, Epstein and Barack were and building kind of the cyber world that we have today. You can look up Gardacore or Akamai. So Gardacore was a company that was later acquired by Akamai, which is AKA MAI, and has since been integrated into basically the world's largest content delivery system. So they're like, they got their stuff in everywhere, and they're constantly working, you know, with the Israeli intelligence apparatus, which is incubating all of these ideas, and then they flow up to Barack and then, you know, financed and kind of developed then by Epstein.

And so they've really made our world in a, you know, significant way. And they're doing it, again, just so casually of their emails. Yeah. And what's interesting is that in the email sometimes he will say, this is too hot for email. I know. You call me. So what we're able to report now is just what he was willing to talk about on email. Right.

He knew that he was, he's like, this is an open email. We can't talk about X. Right. So all this other stuff he's fine talking about. So it's like, so they're like, okay, what was he doing on those calls? And what was he doing in person? He's like, we need to talk about this in person. And that'll be the subject, I think, of some of our future articles here.

Because there are ways that you can piece together what he's been up to. I mean, what you guys are already doing with that is incredible. It's one other piece and then go ahead. Meanwhile, Ross Child also had a tax problem going on. Right, right. in Israel, yeah. Which Epstein, you know, helped her navigate as well. Right.

So, like, that's, people are like, what does this guy do? Right. Like, this, he's doing this kind of thing. And I hope Barack was doing this on a Gmail, if I'm not mistaken. Larry Summers was doing this on a Gmail. It's all going back and forth on a G-O-L. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just remarkable for, first of all, how stupid that is.

but also to see how cavalier they are about not national security, literally global security, and just they're going around, making money off of it, change in the world, like it's nothing. The drop site reporting has been an incredible window, and you guys are adding a lot of great context to make it easy to digest, too. So if you're not reading this stuff, you absolutely have to be. Yeah, go enjoy it. Go get it, yep, yep. You don't enjoy it.

It would be like, oh, Jesus, wow, but man. And some of the money did come through, but not, we don't know exactly for what, but there was a $25 million investment that Epstein was able to get through involving Ross Child. And we're still piecing all of this together. So, yeah, wild stuff. Wild, wild stuff. Meanwhile, there is a video going around that is going absolutely viral that we didn't want to pass up a chance to make sure that you saw. It's from the Conference of the Jewish Federation of North America recently, and it's liberal Obama speechwriter, Sarah Hurwitz, talking about the twin problems that are, she believes, fueling anti-Semitism, and she believes it is a social media that is showing people, pictures of, quote, carnage in Gaza, and also a Holocaust education that has taught people. that it is wrong when big, powerful forces are aggressive towards the weak.

It's just an incredible two-minute clip that I think you're going to watch the entirety of, and then Emily and I'll discuss for a moment. Go ahead and roll this. I think that since October 7th, but really before then, there have been huge shifts in America on how people think about Jews and Israel. And I think that is especially true of young people. So we are now wrestling with a new, I think, generational divide here. And I think that's particularly true in that social media is now our source of media.

And this, you know, it used to be that the media you got in America was American media, and it was pretty mainstream. You know, it generally didn't express extreme anti-Israel views. You had to go to a pretty weird bookstore to find global media and fringe media. But today, we have social media, which is a global medium. It is shaped, its algorithms are shaped by billions of people worldwide who don't really love Jews. And so while in the 1990s, you know, a young person probably wasn't going to find Al Jazeera or someone like Nick Fuentes. Today, those media outlets find them. They find them on their phones. It's also this increasingly post-literate media, less and less text, more and more videos. So you have TikTok just smashing our young people's brains all day long

with video of Carnage in Gaza. And this is why so many of us can't have a sane conversation with younger Jews, because anything that we try to say to them, they are hearing it through this wall of carnage. So I want to give data and information and facts and arguments, and they are just seeing in their minds carnage, and I sound obscene. And I think, unfortunately, the very smart I think bet that we made on Holocaust education to serve as anti-Semitism education, in this new media environment, I think that is beginning to break down a little bit. Because, you know, Holocaust education is absolutely essential. But I think it may be confusing some of our young people

about anti-Semitism, because they learn about big, strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews. And they think, oh, anti-Semitism is like anti-black racism, right? Powerful white people against powerless black people. So when on TikTok all day long, they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians, it's not surprising that they think, oh, I know,

the lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight the big, powerful people hurting the weak, people. So, Emily, where do you, where should we, where do we even start with this argument? My, my worldview is being rejected because people are seeing images of carnage. People are seeing facts. And, and because people have been taught that it is wrong when a powerful force uses its power to annihilate a, a weaker people. And you can, so therefore, it's not my worldview that needs to change. it isn't that we should end the carnage.

We should end the Holocaust education and we should make sure that we can kill social media so people don't see the image. Yes, that's the death rattle of the gatekeepers. I mean, this clip in a nutshell is the death rattle of the gatekeeper. She is truly upset that people have access to information that previously she feels the gatekeepers were able to keep out, which is also somewhat wrong.

Her idea that you used to have to go to a weird bookstore were to get your hands on antsy Israel information. No, any bookstore had that. You can go ahead and walk in a Barnes & Noble and pick up your Chomsky. It's fine. But also what she's really lamenting is the lack of control

that the gatekeepers used to have to push people out. And it's convenient for her to just chalk that up to Fuentes or left-wing critics of Israel. But it's obviously going well beyond fringe figures. and it's not fringe and it shouldn't be considered fringe

to oppose what just happened in Gaza over the last couple of years but she wants to actually relegate those views to the fringes and say well this is just craziness but now it's mainstream because the crazies are mainstream as opposed to now it's mainstream because people had access to different information

that you previously were able to gate keep. The only line of hers that made any sense to me was when she said I sound obscene and to me she does sound a wild line she does sound obscene and what i don't understand is how she can't see it i don't understand this complaint about social media you know after october 7th and every day up until the ceasefire now they're a handful of you know fewer than 10 usually Palestinians being killed every day by by Israel um you had about an average of a hundred

Palestinians killed every single day after October 7th for two plus years. And 80 plus percent, 90 plus percent, we're going by Israeli data here that gets leaked out, civilians. They have smartphones in Gaza. They're able to share footage every day of the many dozens, the scores of people up to 100 or more, every day being killed in Gaza. how is that social media's fault? Right. Like what is social media? What is TikTok or Instagram?

I know what they want them to do. She mentioned skinny Palestinians as though that's some type of aberration, right? That there was people seeing skinny Palestinians was misleading because it makes you think Palestinians are starving. That seems to be her point. Right. So Israel wants to cut off food from getting in. everybody loses weight in Gaza that gets

the images of that are shared with the world it's so hard for me to get my mind to a place where you don't say okay so we should actually let food in so people aren't starving we should stop killing civilians so that we stop seeing images of civilians being killed right right instead

we need to buy TikTok. Yes. Like we need to shut down the ability of people to share these images. But then the second minute of it is the most mind-bending

where she says it was smart of us to link anti-Semitism and Holocaust education because we talked about the Nazis and what they did and everybody understood that that was bad.

But now we need to dial that back because we look like the Nazis. Yeah. That thinking, to me, is just, I can't, it's incomprehensible. I can't get there. Rather than her saying, we're starting to look like the Nazis in the framework that we have set up with this education.

So let's stop doing that. Let's not bomb these apartment buildings. Let's not bomb a tent city. Like, let's not displace two million people and then bomb them in their tents. Let's not do that because even if you don't care about the people themselves, it looks really bad. You're being way too logical. Way too logical. So you're going to dial back.

And, okay, you can dial back Holocaust education all you want. People as human beings understand that if a big, powerful force is bombing unarmed people in their tents, that is wrong. you don't actually need education to understand that. You understand that as a human. In fact, almost all animals understand that, not just humans. In the animal kingdom, when animals like give themselves up,

oftentimes that animal instinct devour them evaporates. Like when two dogs are fighting, if a dog gives up and exposes its belly and its neck, the other dog will back off. that those dogs did not need education to get there it's a it's not just in a human impulse it's an it's across the animal kingdom for the most part and so you can go ahead and root out a Holocaust education all you want people are still going to understand that if unarmed innocent civilians are being bombed intense that's wrong and the people doing the bombing are wrong and should be

prosecuted in jail everyone's going to understand that some background on Sarah Hurwitz. She is a very sort of mainstream Democratic establishment figure. She was appointed by Barack Obama to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council right before the end of his second term, right before Donald Trump took office. She was a speechwriter from Michelle Obama, Barack Obama. General Wesley Clark, John Kerry, goes back to the early odds, but has done the tour of kind of normy, centrist Democrats over the last couple of decades. totally like I feel like I know her a little bit like she would be in my circles like and I'm sure like outside of this is like a lovely person it's a wild thing say what is like what is

what has what has broken in in your brain to get to a place where you think the problem is not what's happening or that it's okay to say that aloud I mean to say it allowed like you have the moral authority. And as she was saying, it felt like a thought out, it felt like a structured comment, not like an offhanded remark that you make on a panel. She felt smart and righteous for saying. Yes, I think she had developed these thoughts. Yes. Planned them out. And she's like, this is, this is what I'm, this is what I'm going to talk about. Yeah. And this is a useful thing to contribute. Well, just as a reminder, like, increasingly the way elites are going to talk about people who disagree with them are as people

with alternative facts who occupy different narrative silos, and, you know, it's going to be very patronizing, like it's not your fault. You're just getting bad information. You can't be expected to know the truth when TikTok leads you in this direction, or when social media is pushing you this way or that way, because we have no control. And so that's increasingly going to be the way that they treat just you and me, normal people who have different opinions than them and viewers, listeners who have different opinions from them is you just occupy a different narrative silo and you can't be expected to know the truth like I know.

I mean, I have been a speech writer, my goodness, for two decades. Like, I know what's actually going on here. But you, the poor average American who's being confronted with crazy YouTubers, you know, we just need to fix the system of information delivery. Maybe that'll work. like I would suggest stop the killing

stop the starvation. One way to do. Yeah. Yeah. So nobody cares what I think though. Some people do. No. I don't think Sarah does.

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