Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 11/20/25: Epstein Files Coverup, Bipartisan Epstein Deal, MAGA Revolts On Trump AI Regulation Ban

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Krystal and Saagar discuss the Epstein files coverup, bipartisan deal to protect Epstein associate, MAGA revolts over Trump AI regulation ban. Ross Barkan:https://x.com/RossBarkan?s=20     To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, we've got to talk about that one. Some shocking new polling on the midterms. We'll break that down for you. Trump's case against Jim Comey is falling apart spectacularly in an absolutely humiliating fashion. And Ross Barkin is going to join us to break down a number of things that are going on in New York specifically with our mom, Donnie. is actually coming to D.C. to meet with Trump. He also last night showed up at a meeting to block an endorsement of Hakeem Jeffrey's opponent. So lots going on there. And there are a whole bunch of other primary challenges from the left coming in New York City specifically. So super

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But as you said, Trump has officially signed the new bill. He did it in the dead of night in silence, with no cameras, not exactly something he's known to do. This is the man who will call a press conference in the Oval Office for like, we are updating the way that we, you know, have hurricane planes or something and turn it into a one hour long thing. He could have had the victims there. I mean, that's what Rokana, I know at least probably Thomas Massey as well, Marjorie Taylor Green, we're suggesting do a signing ceremony, take ownership over it, have the survivors there behind you, but no, not his choice. Yes, he signed it late last night. And in fact, I was in touch with some of my friends who still cover the White House. They actually were sent home as

reporters when the bill was delivered to the Oval and he signed it in private and then they released it only through official channels. This is very rare, again, for the Trump administration. I can't tell you how many bill signings I attended when I was a White House report. It's very common. It's one of the ways that, you know, it kind of turned something into a press conference. And again, he does this all the time for various small little things. So, you know, interesting behavior. Let's go and put this up here on the screen then. Trump signs the bill authorizing the release of the Epstein files. The actual law text itself is really important. It now says that the attorney general has 30 days to make available unclassified documents related to the disgraced financier and his associate Galane Maxwell. The difficult part is what did I just say? Unclassified. And already the attorney general is laying the groundwork for some significant redactions in the the eventual release some one month from now. Here's what the Attorney General Pam Bondi had to say.

Does the new investigation by the Southern District of New York, U.S. attorney, prevent the department from releasing all of the remaining files? So we have released 33,000, over 33,000 Epstein documents to the Hill, and we'll continue to follow the law and to have maximum transparency. Also, we will always encourage all victims to come forward. So clearly, she didn't say, No, because the question very specifically, does the new investigation prevent the DOJ from releasing all of those files? Now, this is in combination with Ken Clippenstein. He's got a new report.

Let's going to put that up here on the screen. The Epstein bill passes as top official circulate plans to block transparency. And so what he has been able to reveal is that if you actually read the text of the law, there is a national security, a concern carve-out that is inside. H.R. 4405 requires the Attorney General to complete the release of the information, including a classified information to the maximum extent possible. This raises two concerns. First, it may not be feasible to properly undertake an extensive review in such a short period of time. Second, ignores the principle de-classifications to rest with the agency. So this is exactly the national security argument that he warned about, which would be used to block the disclosure

from the DOJ and from the FBI with their hundreds of 100,000 files or so better. our inside, very good flag from him. What it does represent, though, is that just like with JFK or with, you know, UFOs, with anything, just because they put something out doesn't make it true. Just because they put something out doesn't actually mean that it's usually not indicative of even further of a cover-up. So that is the flag where we are. I do want to take a moment to celebrate Thomas Massey and Rokana. I mean, you know, I said that I'm a cynical guy. I don't usually expect anything to really happen here. And I thought it was dead, the moment that Trump and all of them started to come after it. And they just kept fighting, kept fighting, kept fighting, 427 to 1 in the House

of Representatives. Never seen anything like it. Yeah. Brute forced it through the Senate, even though Mike Johnson and Trump said that the Senate wanted to change it, no senator wanted to be on the record, saying that, no, we're not going to vote against it. And Donald Trump cowed in the dead of night forced to sign this piece of legislation, which he fought tooth and nail for over two months to try to defeat. So things are still possible in this town, folks. I mean, it's amazing to see. Honestly, it warms my heart for the first time in a long time. I don't know if we've ever seen a I think you have to go back to like John McCain blocking the ACA repeal and replace to think of a similar sort of defeat but this one was so comprehensive he was looking at Trump was

looking at losing some 100 potentially Republicans and that's why ultimately is like well geez I just got a I mean I just got to if you can't beat him you got to join him what else can I do and I'll just try my best to message that really the Democrats are all the bad guys and there's no Republicans and I'm certainly not implicated here even though we've already seen the birthday book we've seen his name littered throughout these files and we've seen the special treatment that Galane Maxwell is getting down at her club fed as well, which is also very indicative of the fact that he's worried what she could present to the public. So, you know, give a lot of credit to everyone that was involved, Rokana, Thomas

Massey, first and foremost, Marjorie Taylor Green, also very impactful. On the Democratic side, you know, you have to think, Sager, you remember when we interviewed Alyssa Slotkin, her line and the official line of the Democratic Party was Epstein as a distraction. Sure, we're interested in it, but this is a distraction from the price of eggs or whatever. Not to say those aren't important issues as well. Of course they are. But Roe Conan was like a dog with a bone with this thing. He understood, and I think in large part, because he goes on shows like ours and goes on all kinds of different podcast shows and goes and is out there in the country as well, he understood that this really struck a nerve, that it really went to the core of Donald

Trump's brand, the way he had presented himself, not just to the country, but specifically to his own base. He knew this would be a very difficult issue for him. And that instinct and that inside ultimately paid off. Now, we were never polyanish about thinking that this was going to be some silver bullet and now all the truth is going to come to light. That is not how these things work. They are certainly engaged right now. And I mean, I think they've been engaged in a cover up the whole time. The Trump administration is likely scrumbing the files. They're using this investigation to block things. All they have to do because the bill says unclassified information, all they have to do is, oh, well, this is classified. Sorry, you can't have it. And those pieces that

they don't want to come out will not come out. But you know what? At least, at least, at least we now have a tool, just like with the JFK bill that was passed in the 90s, it gave researchers and activists a tool to try to force and compel the federal government to come out with documents. And over time, we've learned more and more and more. My own personal opinion is, even if it is just like, you know, Larry Summers or Bill Clinton or whatever the Democrats are, that we get the dirt on, that's fine. I agree. I mean, you know, that is a step forward.

And I think everybody already sees and knows that Trump was very tied up in these circles in various ways as he was Jeffrey Epstein's best bud for like an entire decade and his littered name littered throughout the emails that we already have released. So, you know, with all the caveats of the way they're going to go about trying to scrub this and trying to cover up and cover Trump's ass and all of that, I think we still have to acknowledge that this is an extraordinary against the odds victory. And ultimately, really, you know, a victory for these survivors, a victory for truth and discovery about foreign influence in our government as well, specifically with regard to the nation of Israel. Not that the media is continuing to, like, really cover that aspect outside of a few notable examples.

Yeah, they're getting drag, picking and scream into that. And when they do, they just pearl clutch around it. But we'll get there. As, you know, it's a long march in this war. It's been covering it since 2018. I went back and saw the very first video ever done on the subject. And look, as you said, you know, even covering stuff up, that in and of itself tells a story. The 9-11 commission, the infamous 28 pages.

We all knew it was in the pages. It eventually started leaking out. And soon they became public with the Saudi connection and all that was revealed. And now it's basically part of lawsuits and others against the Saudi government. It put the Obama presidency in a very tough position whenever he tried to block that finding Saudi Arabian government, you know, liable. He literally tried to block it. And the entire United States Senate voted against. So these things do have power.

It will take a long time. It's like, you know, again, have covered so many of these things. Just this morning, there's a new CIA report that actually boasted about tricking Congress on JFK. This is from the 1970s. But, I mean, look, look, I know. At the time when we needed it, it didn't come out. That said, the fact that we still have all this, the truth matters. And yes, even if they do cover up the Israel connection and all that, we can get to that.

You know, by the way, we have enough in the public domain already in order to basically say that it's done and dusted in terms of what he was, even if it's just Larry Summers and the Rothschild family. Yeah, that's actually still a pretty big deal. Yeah, or JP Morgan or any of these other people. Look at what's happened now with Larry Summers. I'm like, yeah, good, you know, these people should be revealed for who they are. And think about, like, if a Democrat does when the White House in 2028 and all the dirt has been released on the Democratic side, what you think they're going to, then they're going to be, okay, the law compels me to release the rest of what we have with regard to Trump. So if you are just fixated on what was Trump's involvement here, which honestly, I think is somewhat fair, given that he

is the president of the United States. You know, this law also makes it so that just with the change of leadership, you don't require any new legislation or anything of the sort to, you know, have a tool to, again, press the government to release additional information. So huge win here all around. Speaking of Larry Summers, so we covered previously, he is announced he's stepping back from all of his public commitments. He resigned from the Open AI board. He stepped down from his role crafting economic policy over the Center for American Progress. But he is continuing to teach his Harvard classes. Or he was yesterday. Now he is no longer. Oh, he's not? You know, after this video came out. Oh, really? Oh, I missed that. Yeah, late last night. So that was,

okay, I missed that. I guess I was saying for that. In any case, so he went in front of his class and, you know, explained how much he regretted his interactions with Jeffrey Epstein, which just a reminder. He was talking to this man up until the day before he was arrested. So this was not like, oh, it was the toothed house? I had no idea. I really didn't understand. No, this is after the, after he's a convicted sex criminal, registered sex offender. This is after all of the reporting from Julie K. Brown and others about the extent of his,

of his network and this elaborate, global pedophile ring, like all of that is out there. And Larry Summers is using him for advice for how to sleep with this woman who was not only his mentee, but also the daughter of a Chinese party official. So in any case, this is Summers. explaining to his class how much he regrets all of these interactions. Some of you will have seen my statement of regret expressing my shame with respect to what I did in communication with Mr. Epstein and that I've said that I'm going to step back on public activities quite for a time, but I think it's very important for my teaching obligations.

And so with your permission, we're going to go forward. talk about the material in class. That's not the most awkward beginning of the class I could possibly imagine. And the text on the screen, because a student surreptitiously recorded this, like, this is how Harvard classes start. Professors apologizing for their Jeffrey Epstein ties. Yes. Well, yeah, so as of late last night, Larry Summers has revealed he will not finish a semester of teaching as Harvard investigates Epstein ties.

And look, you know, maybe I'm just woke because I have a daughter, But yeah, I mean, could you imagine being a woman in that class or any class being taught by Larry Summers when the Epstein emails are about him trying to leverage his, like, power and connections? Larry Summers, like, hitting on this woman while he's married and then bragging about it to his wingman, Jeffrey Epstein. I feel like, no, like, get this fucking creep away from my kids, man. Right.

I mean, how could you possibly say that this dude can be in a position of, any power or influence on young girls in class? Like, no. Fair. Yeah, you know? Yeah, I mean, he went to great lengths to be up. She wasn't a student, but she was, he described her as, like, his mentee. So he, and he talked in the emails about how, like, I don't think she really wants this

romantic relationship anymore, but she still needs me for my guidance and basically, like, I'm in this powerful position. So maybe that just keeps her around, like, actively talking about the way he's exploiting this power dynamic to get in this woman's pants. Really disgusting stuff. And then also, like, I think Larry Summer, in my opinion, Larry Summer should have been drummed down in public life long ago for his complicity and, you know, NAFTA and the bank bailouts. And, I mean, he's just been at the, as I said before, the scene of like every great economic crime in recent American history. That wasn't enough to push him out.

But at least temporarily, there are some repercussions, woke is back. There are consequence culture. It's here. And, you know, fairly so, I would say in the case of Larry Summers. Yeah, I mean, seriously, though, there's this whole talk right now amongst a certain. group of people. They're like, oh, this is like a me to witch hunt? I'm like, is it? Like, no, for real, though. Like, he admitted to trying to cheat on his wife with Jeffrey Epstein bragged about it as a lecherous creep well into his 60s and leveraging his own power. I don't

think that that's like the same as the Aziz Ansari-Jezabelle article, right? I mean, and by the way, even whenever it comes to that, I'm like, wait, so are we saying like Matt Lauer never should have been, you know, fired? Like, no, I don't think anybody is really saying that, okay? What people are saying is like, yeah, I think it went too far. or it became a mania or hysteria. Fine, but I haven't seen that happen yet with the Epstein case. If anything, it's the opposite, is that there are a lot of bunch of people

who just openly are able to go on cable television, as we'll get to in a little bit. And we'll like, oh, he was just a guy, my constituent there who was texting me. So, yeah, I mean, you know, whenever it comes to this, it's one of those where, what's the standard? Like, it to be a full-blown, convicted criminal

like Epstein was, right? In order to be canceled, quote-unquote? I don't know. I just think the whole thing's crazy. Yeah, maybe it. is an indication we're coming to, like, a healthy place with all of this, where we can, like, evaluate the claims against someone on their merits and consider what appropriate consequences are.

And it's not just, you know, if there's anything said about you, then you're canceled. And it's not believe all women and it's also not believe all men. It's like, yeah, exactly. We can process these things. We can see the totality of who you are and how, I mean, this was years that he was so close with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, it's anyway. Also, he's in a position of immense power. I just talked about the professor.

That's the least of our problem. He's on the board of Open AI. You want this freak on the board of the chat GPT and of determining standards for national suicide we were just talking about? No, okay? I mean, come on. Well, I mean, and I'm like also very sort of selfishly interested

in getting him out of this Center for American Progress. Economic blueprint effort as well, separate and apart from the Jeffrey Epstein piece because of his terrible economic ideology. So in any case, I do have a sub-moving. There I will. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught.

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Bronco Marciateach, who does fantastic reporting over at Jackman Magazine. And he writes that in these newly released files, it shows Jeffrey Epstein claiming to have been involved in Ahud Barak's 2019 election challenge to Benjamin Netanyahu, he says it's well past time to ask questions about the billionaire pedophiles links to Israel, yeah, here, here on that one. And it's wild. He's actually emailing with Steve Bannon. And one of these emails got a lot of attention because he says something like, you know, now you can understand why Trump stays up at night's wedding when he knows that you and I are in touch. But what the mainstream press, when they reported that one out, what they left out of the equation is that the context was him about how influential he was in Israeli politics, and he's using that to look at how influential I am here, that's why Trump has got to be so stressed about my connection with you and lay

up at night. And this was, like, again, very close to the time that he ends up being arrested in prison and then dead. So one other, like, subplot story of this, though, is that one of the emails that the mainstream press did reproduce, they messed up. It said in it, a who like Ehud Barak, and they messed up the transcribing of that, and they put it as chud. So instead of E-H-U-D, multiple news outlets put C-H-U-D, so which totally buries the context of what this was all about. Was that intentional or not? I don't know.

You guys can be the judge of that. But very interesting accidental oversight here from the mainstream media, which has still continued to treat the Epstein ties to Israel, like some anti-Semitic, conspiracy, even though it's all, like, documented and reported. I do want to give a shout out to the Pod Save Bros, who recently shouted out, you know, after Tommy Veter claimed previously that it was a conspiracy. Oh, did he? Yeah, I mean, it's one of these where all of these people, I get it, okay?

To them, it seems icky because it all bubbled up on the bad side of the Internet and with bad right-wingers. Like, look, you know, many of us were not speaking out of our ass. The trail of the evidence was actually all they. for anybody who wanted to see. It's been there since about 20, 21, and it doesn't just rely singularly on the Alex Acosta quote. Like if we look at the weapons background and the Khashogis and who all of that he was working with and who he was interested in and broadly his own connection to the fact that he went to Israel while he was signing his non-prosecution agreement, it was all there, okay? It was out in the open and they never wanted to acknowledge it. At this point,

with the drop site report, it's like done, dusted in terms of how connected he was to the state of Israel, but they just can't get there. And this kind of reminds me the Cuomo thing you just said with Larry Summers. On the merits, Summer should be nowhere because of who we were. Like his own, like the sex,

Epstein stuff is kind of secondary. And for some reason, like with Cuomo, everyone was like, oh, well, his Me Too investigation. That's why it's like, no, the nursing home thing alone was enough to say, you're, how can we possibly ever trust your judgment? I think that the reason why there's been a lot of, like, Capital D Democrats who are interested in the stories because I see like it attacks Trump. And, you know, they don't care about Larry Summers or Bill Clinton at this point, nor should you.

But guys, like, that is kind of the secondary element of it. Now, the reason why, like any sort of blackmail or any of that matters from Trump to Clinton to any of these other people in power is because of the foreign leverage with these governments that he was working with, that's what makes it actionable and actually, you know, impactful in terms of beyond money or. you know, the J.P. Morgan Chase, but brokering governments and leaders and security agreements, like that's what puts it in the realm of the public interest in my mind, is not just that connection. And so I do think, you know, kind of like with JFK or any of these other stories where I think it's easy to sit there and dissect magic bullet, but I think it becomes more interesting to zoom out and be like, okay, so why did they kill him, right? You know, it's like, it's not just about the plot. Was he pursuing that were such a threat that they had to take it in?

My opinion was all about Cuba, right? I know there's a whole Israel secondary part of the JFK stuff. I haven't seen enough to back that up. But in my opinion, it was mostly about Cuba and then eventually became an ideological, like, sphere that morphed into Vietnam. That's why Oliver Stone is obsessed with that because he had to go fight in Vietnam when he was 18 years old and his entire life was like, you know, impacted by that. And he became obsessed with that question. And it is, I mean, he described it as one of the most impactful turning points in American history. He's correct about that.

You have to go and to look at the consequences. I think same in here. So I think one of the things for all of us is we can't let this part of the story die. We really can't. Like it's such the, it's so important, you know, to make so that media cannot try to spin this in the direction that they want. Because it's also to their benefit where I've seen this mainstream media thing, which is starting to catch on now, which is like, oh, well, there was no big sex blackmail story.

I'm like, well, it's, again, I've always said it's not about that person. say. It's really about the network and the stuff that he was able to get away with and then leveraging those connections to money and to power on behalf of multiple foreign governments, including, yes, the state of Israel. Like, that's what it's actually about. So that's my

you know. I mean, we have to, like, you have to be blind at this point not to put some of the puzzle pieces together. Trump, I think we can say definitively now, is very concerned about whatever Glein Maxwell could say, right? So clearly he would have thought that Jeffrey Epstein knows at least

whatever Galane Maxwell knows. And he would, I mean, he was close friends with this man. He knew the level of connections that he had. He would have known about the globe trotting and known about all of these influential peoples and people and governments that he was connected to. Like, I think at this point, it would be incredibly naive to not think that Trump believed Epstein had things on him that would be very, very damaging, if not fatal to his political career. And you do have this email from Epstein to Steve Bannon, again, one of Trump's closest confidants very soon before he ends up in prison, saying, now you can understand why Trump wakes up in the middle of the night's sweating when he hears you and I are friends. And listen,

guys, you also have to say it is in Trump's first administration that Epstein ends up dead. So this is the sort of communication that's going on. Steve Bannon reportedly said before Epstein, he thought, was the one person who could take down Donald Trump. Epstein ends up in prison and then dead under the first Trump administration. And now his accomplice, Galane Maxwell, is getting club fed, treatment down with her puppy. And she's like, you know, the warden's her bitch. She can make him do whatever she wants to do. I mean, this is crazy shit, guys.

So open your eyes. Nothing is definitively proven. But open your eyes to the picture that has emerged at this point. And, you know, it's, I would say that it is an incredibly important line of inquiry to understand how this impacts today, not what did Trump do in the past? How does this impact Donald Trump and his conduct of foreign policy today right now? That is the most important question with all of this. It's just so disgusting. And yeah, I mean, it's one of those where this is what, again, people, they don't want to zoom in.

Like, the point is, is it's about Trump. It's also, it's been going on for 20, 30 years. Like, who wants to know, right? With Israel and all these other foreign governments for all of these leaders. I mean, guys, I mean, don't forget, the British ambassador to the United States of America was fired because of the Epstein connection. Yeah, that's right. He literally, do you remember in the email? He said, oh, it's a travesty of justice.

What's happened to you? He said it was unjust that he was convicted back in 2006. We all just moved. The Prince, Prince Andrew. There was a tragedy of justice, but it was in the other direction. Prince Andrew just got stripped of all these royal titles. And, of course, there's people out there be like, oh, it's all a witch hunt. I'm like, yeah, maybe the king knows a little bit something that you and I don't know.

Okay, maybe that's what it is. Just happened to think that. Not to mention the Prince Andrew, or I guess Andrew, we can now call him Andrew Mountbatten. Andrew Mountbatten has all these sketchy financial dealings with his wife and leveraging. It all fits together for what. What purpose? We don't 100% know yet. So I'm looking forward to some of the future releases, regardless of what they cover up, because in information, there's always power. Let's go to the last story here. This is A5. This is about, quote, Democrats are going to come

to regret this after Epstein vote. Trump is ready to attack. So Trump now has directed the DOJ to open an investigation to all the Democrats who are named in the Epstein files. Fine with me. Cool. All right. Let's get it out. In the court, there is some concerns. though, that by citing an active DOJ investigation, that they will actually be able to cover up some of the Epstein stuff in terms of redactions. However, don't forget that even at the end of prosecution, that you will still be able to eventually get access to them within this, but it could be a delaying tactic. Regardless, though, I mean, as we're, our last block is about James Comey, when you have to file stuff in court, you'll learn a lot of stuff. You learn a lot. And

that's something that's not been to the benefit of the Trump administration and multiple different occasions. So I'm looking forward to this no matter what comes of it because we will learn quite a bit. Yeah, well, he wants to flip it and make it. I mean, his language is, oh, this is just all about Democrats. There are no Republicans implicated. And I just think, like, we're so far past people seeing it through that lens that it's ridiculous. And, you know, I even wonder if he really follows through on all of the, you know, all of the bluster that he has here because we're going to talk about the Stacey Plaskett thing. We covered that before. Obviously, we've covered Larry Summers, et cetera, Republicans really seem to think like Democrats are like desperate to

protect Bill Clinton at this point. Like, it's fine. Like, it's okay. Whatever comes out about him. We're not all that panicked about it. So I have a feeling he's going to have a hard time really going on the offense on this thing after spending so much time and continuing with an active cover up of any potential, you know, negative or damning or even just suggestive implications for him himself.

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Speaking then of Stacey Plaskett and the corrupt dealings going on in the House of Representatives, the People's House, our great representatives, the founders conceived of the great civilian legislators who would rise up among its constituents come to Washington to work on our behalf. And after this Democratic representative from the U.S. Virgin Islands was caught. literally live texting Jeffrey Epstein in the House of Representatives in the middle of a meeting. Her defense is, I was simply texting with my constituent, and that has now been embraced by her colleagues to help cover her up. Let's take a listen. I believe that Jeffrey Epstein had information, and I was going to get information to get it the truth.

Having a friendship with him is not something that I would deem to have. If individuals are not involved in illegal activity, extending his criminal enterprise or his financial enterprise or all of those things, I think that we need to look at what people are doing moving forward. Wait, let me just better understand that. What is that point? Because at the time, he wasn't a sex offender, and it had been detailed all the sexual abuse. There are a lot of people who have done a lot of crimes. Her texts with Jeffrey Epstein were not illegal, but in your view, were they appropriate? Well, Stacey Plaskett is not accused of violating any House rule, any law, any statute.

And without even going to the Ethics Committee, much less a court, they want to arraign her on some charges based on a newspaper article that she did something lawful. However ill-advised it may have been, she took a phone call from one of her constituents. Is this position that any time Jeffrey Epstein got somebody on the phone and he got a lot of people on the phone, that person is suddenly guilty? That sounds like guilt by association. That sounds like collective guilt. Collective guilt by, I'm like, yeah, yes. Again, am I just the only guy who won't me with convicted sex offenders? For real, though. Like, you know, if I don't get it. These politicians, all these other people, also, you know, when you meet politicians, especially the ones where

it's not some like, it's not usually brokered by the poll and the other person. There's usually a bunch of staff involved and they do background checks or at least cursory Google searches on the people that you're ostensibly supposed to be meeting with. By the way, he has her phone number. And did you see, did you hear her defense? A lot of people are convicted of crimes. Like, what? I mean, this is one of these where it's like, you just got to come clean. You guys say, listen, he was incredibly influential in the Virgin Islands. I mean, that's the truth. Yeah. He was one of my richest constituents. Probably their richest constituent, certainly one of. And there were incredible, like, it was incredibly interconnected between the political class of Virgin Islands and Jeffrey Epstein.

And so, you know, I mean, I think she could say that and then she could say, and, you know, because of his long dealings with Trump, I thought he might have something interesting. Okay, I get that. But, like, to pretend, like, the other thing is she said this thing about, oh, we weren't friends. But the text messages are extremely friendly. He's telling her how great she looks up there. And, you know, she's like, oh, hurry up. I've got, I'm up next, you got to give me something, et cetera. Like, the tenor of the text messages is that this was not their only exchange by far

and that they were actually very friendly. So, you know, I think at this point you just have to say, this was a horrible lapse in judgment, but I was just trying to get some information that would be useful because I knew his long relationship with Trump, et cetera, and apologize and move on. But for her to continue to double down and then for her colleagues to come to her rescue you like this is really pretty appalling. Yeah, that's right. And, you know, why we started with that is just to give you all of you into how this great

town of our works is that there were supposed to be a censure of her and of GOP congressman Corey Mills, who we will also get to here in a little bit for his own disgusting behavior. Oh, unbelievable. And what ended up happening is a little handshake among friends. where the House Republican leadership met with the Democratic leadership and they go, look, we won't go after your guy if you don't go after

our guy. And they all shook hands and we just had a couple cocktails at the Capitol Hill Club. They say bipartisanship is dead. Yeah, they say bipartisanship is it. You cover for our girl, we'll cover for your boy, right? That's what it's all about, folks. It's just all about making sure we just sweep it

under the rug and we all just continue like friends as normal. And Anna Paulina Luna, GOP Congresswoman actually revealed some of this on the floor at the House of Representatives putting it all into view. Here's what she had to say. For what purpose does the Generalator in Florida seek recognition? I have a parliamentary inquiry. The Generalated from Florida will state her inquiry. I was wondering if the Speaker of the House of Representatives can explain why leadership on both sides, both Democrat and Republican, are cutting back-end deals to cover up public corruption in the House of Representatives from both Republican and Democrat members of Congress.

The gentlelady has not stated a popular, a proper parliamentary inquiry. Thank you very much, but I think the American people know what happened tonight. So we go through Corey Mills? You guys want to know about them? Let's go and put this one next one up here on the screen. I mean, you got to go read through this. Mr. United States files restraining order against Corey Mill. Do you want to go through some of that situation.

Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, buckle up. So this guy basically is disgusting abusive creep allegedly. And also incredibly corrupt with his international. arm stealing business. So first way that he came to the public's attention as a potential abusive asshole was there was a police call from his girlfriend here in D.C., initially alleging domestic violence. Now, when the police showed up, she had bruises, but she recanted her story. Okay. Apparently after that hit the news, his other girlfriends down in Florida, she, a former Miss USA pageant queen, she sees that he's having this relationship in D.C.

And it's like, dude, we're supposed to be together. What the hell? And breaks up with him. He continues, allegedly, to harass her for months, threatening her, threatening her new boyfriend, threatening also to release explicit images that have been shared in the context of their relationship. And lo and behold, drop site, our friends over at drop site, of course, did the first report. They were the first ones to get their hands on these text messages that he was just relentlessly sending to her and truly disgusting and incredibly threatening things.

And so she filed, ended up filing a restraining order. That restraining order was granted. So he is not allowed to contact her, not allowed to be anywhere around her. So the judge found it credible enough. And, you know, it's a relatively significant bar actually to beat to, um, you know, get a judge to believe that you're in sort of like imminent danger of harm. So that's who this dude is. Then on, in addition to that, abusive, harassing, stalking behavior over months, in addition

to that, he also is accused of corrupt dealings with this, you know, his arms dealing business, where he has government contracts in spite of the fact that he is himself a member of Congress. So there's also a lot of questions about that. there also were questions of potentially him misrepresenting his military service and stolen valor. No, he denies all of these claims, et cetera. So this is all alleged. But he's really the total package, this guy. Just a great, great honest man seemingly and delight to be around on every level.

In the context of reporting this out, DropSight spoke to a number of his former romantic partners. And by the way, this guy was married up until like just a couple years ago, too. by the way. Anyway, they spoke to a number of his romantic partners and two of them separately described him like independently as a psychopath. So just so we're aware of who we're dealing with and who Democrats agreed in this corrupt deal and Republicans agreed in this corrupt deal to cover up for. Yeah, that's right. And you know, like you said, there is the allegations against him for federal contracting. There are the stolen valor actually allegations that have been levied against him. And there's this allegation about misconduct, dating violent. Let's go,

just, just, you guys want a little preview before, shall we, into who these great legislators are? I mean, this is a screenshot. So this is, this is messages with the D.C. girlfriend who called the cops for assault and then recanted his story. And this is where he is effectively pimping her out to one of his friends, allegedly. And he says, and you'll be a good girl and do anything he wants or ass. Of course, I aim to please, she says. He can have you as many times as he wants any way he wants and finish anywhere he chooses, right, babe? Yes, baby. And what can you not do? Won't say no to anything Chris wants. Yes, babe. And drop site reporter on this as well, that actually the male friend that was involved with this was like disgusted by him pimping out

his girlfriend in this manner. So listen, adults can do whatever, consensual, et cetera. But we're talking about someone who's accused of assault, who's accused of stalking, who's accused of harassment, over months, had to have a restraining order issued, and that is the person that they're covering up for. He denies it, I guess, even though the, read the messages. He claimed the videos that he was threatening to release of her were baking, were her baking cookies. Makes sense.

Judge didn't buy it. Do you? You make up your mind for yourself, shall you? So yeah, that's what our great representatives came together this week to cover up, to Stavey Plaskett, who was texting Jeffrey Epstein live in the middle of a hearing. She says a lot of people are convicted of crimes.

He was just one of my constituents. Jamie Raskin and Hakeem Jeffries basically then do a deal with the Republicans where both don't get to be censored. And so I just think, you know, if you really want to see how it all works, who gets protected.

But Rashida Taleb, she got censored for saying from the river to the sea Palestine will be free. It's one of those where, I don't know, I very rarely genuinely feel like sick to my stomach. I'm not naive. I've lived here for a long time. I get it. Stuff that all goes behind the scenes. But when you all breaks out into the open and the way that

they just nakedly cover up for one another. And again, these are supposed to be our representatives. And this is what they're spending their time, not only doing on Arc Dime whenever they're here in Washington. This is what they're doing to preserve each other's party reputation. Because at the end of the day, that's all that really matters to them. It's disgusting. So let's go to another one, because this also just demonstrates the kind of, you know, the criminality and the narcissism that dominates at the highest levels of American politics. Let's go ahead and put B5 up here on the screen. We've wanted to cover this for quite a long time. So there was this recent retirement of a congressman, Representative Chui Garcia. He timed his retirement this month

in a way that advantaged his chosen successor. This eventually led to a potential rebuke from his own representatives, Democrats, in the House of Representatives. It was a reprimand. It doesn't carry any formal penalty. But what happened is he announced his retirement this month. One day after the filing deadline for candidates had closed, that way, his chief of staff was the only candidate who knew about his retirement, had enough time to collect 2,500 signatures to run for the seat. So basically boxed out the ability of anybody to be able to actually open and run, and this is supposed to be

some progressive who believes in democracy, okay? It's like all they care about is themselves, is passing the torch, chosen, they don't give a shit about the voters, it's completely rigged, and what's so disgusting about it is that when, you know, I can never say this woman's name,

Glucentcamp, Herac, when Glucon Camp Perez, this congresswoman, where is she from Washington, tries to censor. She gets, like, blown up by the Democratic Party establishment, by the way, including a lot of progressives and others who were like, oh, this is the improper way to go up. Why can we not cover, like,

just call this out for what it is? This is the type of crap that happens every single day all over, you know, in D.C. and the way they rigged the rules and the petitions and ballot signature challenging, but this is one of the most overt that I had ever seen. He claimed he was retiring abruptly because of his wife's declining health, but he gave a heads up to his chief staff so that they could take the seat. And if you're, you know, that person who lives in this district, like, you should feel outraged. You should feel betrayed. This is the state of Illinois, which is a machine state. And, you know, in his defense, he's probably like, yeah, people do this shit all the time, right? What's wrong with that? Well, you know, what's wrong with

it is we are supposed to live in an ostensible democracy. And again, and this is the party that's supposed to care about. Right, exactly. And, you know, I think a lot of progressives, like Chui Garcia sort of generally voted in a progressive manner. I think he had a lot of, has a lot of friends in the caucus, so they sort of felt bad on a personal level. But it's like, put that, you got to put that aside. You know, you got okay, you can say, like, I like his legislative record, but this was unacceptable. There, that's not that hard to do. And one of the people who gave a long, elaborate explanation for why she opposed Marie Gloos and Camp Perez, but by the way, I'm not a fan of Marie Gloos and Camp Perez, but on this one,

on the merits, she's just correct. But AOC put out this long tortured tweet about why she thinks was this wrong move at the wrong time just to give, I'll give you her rationale. We can put this up on the screen. She says, this is how I feel about it. Oh my gosh. This is Ackman length, guys. Buckle up. I love machine politics and got to office defeating an incumbent who got in that way. However, there are quite a few problems with choosing to grind the entire house to a halt to force all 435 members across the country to do a rush vote on this one individual instance of many, mind you. One, why is it that this objection wasn't brought up until now? The author had no problem when Bill Posey did it or even earlier this year when a member's account was tweeting post-mortem

for an election, the standard of this resolution is unevenly applied and choosing to enforce it by a privilege resolution for some but others does open legitimate questions of rationale or motivation. Why not care about this for them but care about it now? The question has not been answered. Okay, well, maybe we start the trend of caring about this now. That would be a positive, wouldn't it? Okay, number two. This is why the Ethics Committee exists. Establishing this process as precedent will mean all 435 members of the House will be forced to vote on a slew of individual member indiscretions determined by political convenience or whoever's in the majority. I don't think it's the best use of my constituents' time to sort through the details of every individual matter

of a person acting out of accordance with the esteem the office once a week for a vote under rush circumstances. The House has an investigatory structure of this for a reason. If there was a complaint filed with ethics or an investigation buried and then ignored, I'd understand that's not the case here. Three, these specific kinds of resolution can only be executed on a partisan basis because the mechanism of seeking privilege on this can only move forward with GOP leadership's blessing. That means partisan enforcement. I do not want to open the door to that. Make it nonpartisan or don't bother. That's why the Ethics Committee is structured the way it is. For, this resolution was dropped on a fly out day to begin voting on a fly in day,

giving people no time to review the details of the matter while their home in district on a weekend. On a matter of local politics that nobody had familiarity with, it's really, that's so not true. we had familiarity with it. It's not hard to understand. This was not a complicated situation. In any case, people are genuinely not familiar with the details of the surprise vote because this is the kind of thing brought to ethics

precisely to investigate and confirm details. So a bunch of like process-related concerns about, oh, well, we have this other committee that's supposed to handle this. And this wasn't the time or the place, even though I totally loathe the machine politics, but I don't even really know about this anyway. I mean, it just, I think it all just rings very hollow,

ultimately. Like on the merits, what he did was wrong. Why is that so hard to say? Like, okay, maybe you don't like that this is always the process going forward and probably won't be. But would it be such a bad thing if you did have the precedent set that when people handpick their successors and rig the primary process to guarantee that their handpicked successor is effectively the next congressperson for the district, I don't think that's a terrible

precedent to set that you vote on those things and you express your disapproval as a body that this is not the way democracy is supposed to work. Yeah, I, it's, the process shit, it's maddening. Just, like, first of all, who are you? Are you misprocessed? You know, you supposedly stood up against machine politics and all of that. Or do you stand for representation? At the end, like, that's what it's all about, right?

That's what it's supposed to be. And so you've become the creature, which you allegedly ran against. I ran against me. It's like, okay, now you're taking part in the exact same thing. Actually, it would be a phenomenal. precedent to always censure anybody who ever did anything like this. That's literally what that would be one of the best things. It would be something that allegedly, again, you know, Democrats, they talk so much about democracy. And this was one of the reasons in my belief that

the whole Jan 6 attack on Trump didn't work is they were like, well, you guys didn't even have a primary. You guys covered up Biden. So we're supposed to listen to you on lectures about democracy? No, we don't believe that you believe in democracy at all. That was a huge critique. And then look, is everybody in America going to hear about this stuff? I don't think so. But it's enough. It's enough of a signal that protecting the party is the only thing that matters. Still, to a lot of these people.

And, you know, anything process-oriented, just bullshit, in my opinion. Because that's what the establishment does. When they have, when they've lost on something, then they critique on the process. That's what they do. Yeah, agreed. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plainly.

sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health, and I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone.

Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility, and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you really. real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about.

It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between. Men's Health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence, and connection. We don't just want you to live longer. We want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the On Purpose podcast. Recently, I had the honor of sitting down with the iconic Chris Jenner.

You never quite know what or where life is going to lead you and where it's going to be the best lesson you ever learned and not get distracted by the noise. This is a lot of noise. Even if one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex-partner, you still love them as part of the unit and the family. These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren.

I love these men and that love doesn't go away. way when we experience really challenging times with them. Compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be going through. Even though you don't agree with them, if you once love them, then love is love. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Turning now to AI, so I did update all of you that in the new, you know, funding structure for the government, the Republicans were trying to insert some language of regulating states making sure that they are not allowed to regulate AI. Well, now this has become

a full-fledged fight from the Trump administration, and it was especially had gasoline poured on the fire after Jensen Wong, Elon Musk, Greg Brockman from Open AI, all were at the White House for the Saudi state dinner. And the three of them apparently met with Donald Trump and are continuing to push this ban on states from being able to regulate AI. There is a new report, let's put this up here on the screen, from the information that the Trump administration is working on an executive order to try and to foil state AI regulation. This comes on the heels of Trump himself, actually putting out a truth to this effect, again, after a meeting with all of these AI executives, you can see from the truth.

He says, investment AI is helping to make the U.S. economy the hottest in the world. Over-regulation by states is threatening to undermine this growth engine. Some states are even trying to embed DEI ideology into AI models, producing woke AI. Remember black George Washington. We must have one federal standard instead of a patchwork of 50 state regulatory regimes. We can do this in a way that protects children and prevents censorship. So obviously, a lot of this is being pushed hard by the AI companies, specifically because they do not want individual states where they have to comply with different regulation. of course, you know, it's definitely to their benefit.

And I think this is the whole ballgame. Because when you see like the state of California, obviously where all of these people are headquartered, that's what they're actually terrified about. It's safety standards and others that would require them to comply in a certain way. But I think more broadly, this is really about control because these people want to become gods. They say it out in the open. Dario literally says none of you are going to work in five years. Elon very recently. What did he say? He's like, all of you are going to be

phenomenally rich and very happy. I mean, it's the World Economic Forum meme. You will own nothing and you will be happy. We promise you'll be rich. Wink, wink. Yeah, we don't have plans for how. We don't have plans for that, but we promise that you will. Yeah, we promise. It'll be fine. You will be rich. And we're like, okay, cool. You know, why should I take your word for it exactly? And I do want to give, honestly, a good amount of credit. There are some states, even Republican

states, that are standing up. But first, let's listen to Trump himself on the issue. See one, please. Let's take a listen. We will work closely with friends and partners like those in this room to build the largest, most powerful, most innovative AI ecosystem in the world. And we are going to work it so that you'll have a one approval process,

not have to go through 50 states in the United States. You know, you can't go through 50 states. You have to get one approval. 50 states is a disaster because you'll have one woke state and you'll have to do all woke. You'll be back into the woke business. We don't have woke anymore in this country. It's virtually illegal. But you'll have a couple of wokesters and we don't want to do that. We want to get the AI done. A bunch of wokesters in charge over there. So pathetic. I mean, look, listen, I'm not going to say

woke AI or whatever of that is not a issue. But I think it actually is one of those things that belies the problem, which is, yeah, because they get to program whatever they want, including political and cultural ideology, into the AI. And that has massive effects for everything. So yeah, not just culture, race, but oh, suicide, the one that I'm hands down the most concerned about, pornography, sports betting. I told you all, this shit is coming. It's already here. The Microsoft co-pilot literally is running ads on the NFL network and be like, Microsoft co-pilot will help you do your fantasy team, which is a wink-wink to sports.

The most degenerate behavior, that's all they're trying to do, is to make it just even more addictive, make it integral and essential, and that's why it does need regulation. And if the states are the only people who are going to stand up for it, good, you know?

That's a good thing. Yeah. Because, look, I mean, if this is all moving so quickly with so much money, and the ambition for control has never been more overstated by leaders of an.

industrial revolution literally never even if you look back you know to the origins a lot of the times the people who were in charge even of the railroads or the factories any of that stuff they were always trying to pitch it yes is good for themselves but they're like look at all this benefit to humanity i don't even think that they try this time for any of the benefits that are supposedly there it's pretty out in the open they want to become trillionaires literally they want to become transhumanists and they uh their their plan is to put everybody out of work and to roll up the riches of a nation into their selves. Sorry. Yeah. They, they, the only reason they really have to put up with us now is two things. First of all, they need workers. And second of all, they need

people to buy stuff. But already, and Ryan was pointing this out, like that consumer economy is so skewed towards the wealthy that they barely need most of the population just to keep the like consumer economy going. They want to make you irrelevant. I mean, this is the main event of Trump administration 2.0. There's a lot going on. There's a lot that's consequential. I'm not saying it's not. This is the main event. This is what you need to keep your eye on. Because this is truly like they're going for complete and total control in a way that has never been possible before in human history. How do you think it's going to go for democracy or for society at large?

If you have one of these companies achieve superhuman intelligence and be able to truly get rid of most of the workforce, how do you think this is all going to go? Think of the level of control. Right now we're talking about like before the show started, if you ask Grock, who is more fit? Elon Musk or LeBron James, Grock will tell you Elon Musk is more physically fit than LeBron James. And that is like literally you can go and look right now

at the answers that it will give you. Okay. So this is the level of Megalomania. And we're going to hand this incredible power, like global power and control to this handful or, you know, single individual, totally psychotic. This is insane. And so Trump, he was on the ropes, you know, he was being sued and he had all these criminal cases against him.

He wanted to get back in the White House to make all of his problems go away. He changed his position on a number of things. He threw fully in with the tech oligarchs who, you know, there's an idea that these tech pro types were more on the Democratic Party side. And I think like socially, liberally, that's true, especially in the Obama era. There was a real close symbiosis. They let all their mergers go through, et cetera. But they have deeply authoritarian instincts. They're like move fast and break things ethos. That means they don't, they don't think there should be any democratic checks on what they're allowed to do. So even though the Trump tech world marriage was kind of an

odd fit to begin with. It makes sense when you consider a guy who has zero respect for norms, institutions, traditions, et cetera, and who is an authoritarian with a tech world, which is similarly egotistical and think that they should be able to rule everything and run everything and have absolutely no checks. And so you had this coming together in this Trump administration, in this Trump campaign. Elon of K. Of course, gave more than $250 million. You had them involved in picking J.D. Vance as a vice president, Peter Thiel has always been. very influential, bringing all these people together, inauguration, they're all there. You see these repeated dinners where they're there, they're sucking up to Trump.

Like, this is the main event of the Trump administration. And so I think, you know, I would not be surprised at all if he passes, he signs an executive order that says, we're going to sue you, our Justice Department is going to sue you if you try to rein this in even a little bit, because every single move he's made is to just completely unleash this thing and hope for the best. And Trump doesn't give a shit about anything or anyone. He's happy to suck up his crypto riches and let his oligarch friends do whatever the hell they want. And he does not give a shit about whether or not you have a job in the future, about even whether human society sort of, you know, last beyond his life, which is a genuine question if we continue in this direction.

So I think, you know, from the immediate effects in terms of what it does to all of our brains and the sort of, you know, the degenerate behavior, as Sauger describes it, I think those are genuine concerns, to the way it's already spiking our electric bills, the way it's destroying water systems, the way it's degrading our environment, to the medium to longer term. We already see the job loss kicking in to the more existential threats of what this means for our democracy and for human civilization altogether. We need to come together and fight against this with everything we have. We need people who are like across the aisle, cross-partisan, cross-ideological coalition

who care about the future of humanity and want to put some checks on these people because they are absolutely out of control. Yeah, and the way they to sell it is like, well, we got to beat China and all of that. And it's like, look, and I recently said this, I did a podcast with the Bloomberg guys over at Oddlots because they asked me about that.

And I said, the technology is not the same thing as the companies, right? Because the point around this, let's say in terms of our objection, is specifically about the monopolization and the control by single individuals. And yes, I know it's a meme that I only care about sports betting or weed.

To be honest, the one that I care about the most is mental health, is suicide. When I read those transcripts of those kids who are interacting with chat GPT and being like, hey, you know, advising about how to hang himself with nooses and notes, that combined, Emily sent us a study yesterday

about how short-term, short-term video consumption has new cognition. If you have a society, which is deracinated through vice, which I focus on, which is illiterate or functionally illiterate and doesn't know how to think for itself, which increasing short-term, short-form video content consumption, and outsourcing knowledge to chat GPT, put those together. You are basically a meat sack vessel who is using opiates of some kind, you know, in order to numb your pain and then outsourcing all of your thinking to this like godlike machine, which has no qualms about validating where you at, not trying to help you, and can encourage you to kill yourself. Oh, and by the way,

that includes states where there is assisted suicide, which Sam Altman literally said, if it's legal, yes, we would direct you. I cannot think of anything more dystopian. Like the suicide thing and the mental health stuff, the pornography. Again, I mean, think about it. This mass surveillance, too. I mean, we rarely talk about that. So you take a society, you pump them full of weed and alcohol and gambling and make it so that socialization itself is bad. And then you create this chat bot, which will fulfill all of your fantasies to make sure that you never leave. What do you think is going to happen, right? I mean, that's the stuff that I'm the most 10, 15 times more worried about than anything else. And the sick part is it's good

for their business because it means that you're going to sit there and you're just going to keep typing and type in and type it's going to be the most i mean already people are addicted to their phones now make you know romantic relationships into that it's bad and yeah like that is where the concern about regulation and democratic input and making sure that you know sam altman isn't the only person or Elon or any of these other people they're trying to call on these people to do it they're trying to colonize our minds even to an even greater scent than they already have trying to colonize our minds and strip us of our genuine humanity. Like, I mean, that's what, like, the Capitals class has always sort of seen us just as, like, meat sacks and widgets to plug into their business as and how they see fit.

But with this technology, that becomes increasingly possible where they can just render us, they don't have to care about us at all. They can just render us irrelevant completely. So, yeah, when Elon, we're all going to be so rich, I don't think I would, I don't think I would take him at face value with that. Go look at Elon's history of how his promises ultimately. How did Doge go? Tell me about that one. How much money did we save in Doge? How did that work out?

I mean, this man, whatever, all of them are none of them. There's no human on the planet that should be trusted with this level of power. More Perfect Union has been doing really great on the ground reporting about the impact of these data centers and also the community pushback against these data centers. And I think this is a very important part of this fight because it's the part that's the most visible. in people's communities. The rest of it, the chat bots, the videos, it's sort of insidious, right? Like, it's not that different from just being able to Google stuff. I think parents a lot of times don't really understand the way that kids might be using chat, GPT, or GROC, or other LLMs. So it's a little bit more sort of under the radar. Whereas the data centers are

incredibly visible. They're having this big immediate impact in communities. They're having this big immediate impact on people's electric bills. So I think it's a very, very important part of the fight. They recently did a video about the impact. of one of these data centers. This is C2. Let's go ahead and listen to this. I grew up here, and I wanted my kids to be able to do the same.

And we welcome Meta, which opened a data center in our town. We were behind an 18-wheeler once, and it backed up, and we almost got killed. My eye had to go mouth. Those people out. She'll say, Meta's stupid. She just doesn't like it, and I don't like it.

We've been there for, like, since I was alive, and Popup was alive. So I don't really like that we're going to have to move. We went to Holly Ridge, Louisiana, where Meta's new Manhattan, size data centers being built. Meta's new ads claimed these communities welcomed data centers, but residents painted a very different picture. We had no voting on it, no community meetings, no nothing. It was done all under the cable,

and when it was said and done, it was nothing nobody could do. You're planning to leave? I've been here 81 years. I can't stay here with nobody I can talk to. My mom has been out here all her life, 82 years. She's really not happy about it, but does want to leave too. Do you think they care about the people that live here? No. I sure don't. Residents emphasized the increased traffic violence from META's trucks.

I dug through police reports and found a 600% increase in vehicle crashes on the road surrounding META's construction site in the last nine months. The playground at the front of the school, they're not letting y'all play on that, right? No. Meta trucks don't watch out. If they try to stop, they will... They wrecked them to the gate, and that's why they're saying we shouldn't go out there and all that because there's too many wrecks and meta-trucks, and they could crash.

I really love that playground. Do you wish you could play there? Yes. Residents also shared their distrust in the quality of their water and the lack of support from elected officials to address it. My neighbor was washing my clothes and messed up a whole load of whites because it come out stained from that brown water. like it's safe to drink? No, I buy water. Have you heard anything about them addressing that?

No. No. Have you gotten any information about the project at all from anybody? None at all except on the internet and on my Facebook. The data center is the size of Manhattan. And these, you know, tech companies have so much money to throw around. I mean, talk about the influence of money in politics. Like, that's why these things are going up everywhere with very little from the politicians.

politicians pushback. But at the ground level in the communities, and I say this living in a community that is having a number of battles over these data centers myself, there is a huge level of pushback. More Perfect Union did another video that I really encourage you in partnership with them. Hey, John Russell. On Mingo County, West Virginia, one of the poorest counties, an entire country, former coal, I mean, still coal country, but obviously a lot of the coal jobs have gone away, economically devastated. And the political officials decided at the state level, really, to locate this data center there. And you have a bunch of residents who are furious about it. But their governor and their legislators in, you know,

in West Virginia, pass a law limiting the amount of local control that you even have. So even if your community doesn't want this data center there, they can just come over the top and put it there against your wishes. So I think, like I said, I think this is a very important part of the fight because it's so visible. And there's so much pushback across the board, whether on the left or the right, there are reasons to hate these things going in your town. 100%. And like I said, I want to give a shout out to some governors, including some who I'm personally beefing with at the moment. Let's go ahead and put this up here on the screen. Listen, you know, I'm a straight shooter whenever it comes to these.

Ron DeSantis actually is speaking out. He's saying stripping states of jurisdiction to regulate AI is a subsidy to big tech and prevent states from protecting against online censorship of political speech, predatory applications of target children, violations of IP rights, data center intrusion on power and water resources. The rise of AI is the most significant economic cultural shift occurring at the moment, denying the people the ability to channel these technologies in a productive way. By a self-government constitutes federal government overreach and less technology companies run while. Not acceptable. Agreed.

Go to the next one, please. This is from Governor Spencer Cox over at Utah. It says Governor DeSantis is correct. States must be able to regulate the tools of AI that could severely impact our kids, our families, our constitutional rights, our security. We've already made the mistake of allowing social media companies to destroy our children's mental health, tear our country apart. Let's not do it again. And so last one, C6, just to show you, I mean, this is bipartisan and it's all over the place, some of the most popular states in the country. Pennsylvania lawmakers bipartisan coalition are outraged at the federal attempt to prevent states

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